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Hella
pannewig
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assistant
city
attorney:
about
that,
so
it's
it's
also
fine
for
you
to
participate
cindy
since
you
didn't
make
some
changes
and
it
sounds
like
they
weren't
reflected
necessarily
in
a
meeting
on
this
there
exactly
what
what
laura
described
in
her
enough.
Maybe
you
can
describe
them
to
the
board.
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lisa
smith:,
no
okay.,
pb,,
lisa,
smith:,
so
yeah
so
to
maybe
I
think,
it'd
be
fun
to
do
either
one.
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
huge
substantive
change,.
I
trust
cindy's
judgment,,
I
suspect,,
but
when
I
read
them
side
by
side
I'll
be
fine
with
it.
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lisa
smith:,
so
I'd
be
fine
with
approving
it,
but
I'm
also
fine
with
doing
so.
I
also
defer
to
the
majority.
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john
gerstle:
section,
if
any
member
of
the
public
wishes
to
address
the
board,
now
is
the
time
on
any
issue,,
except
what
we're
dealing
with
in
public
hearing
tonight,,
which
is
the
concept
plan
review
for
3825
and
3675
walnut
street,.
So
I
would
invite
anyone
who
wants
to
address
us
to
do
it
now.
On.
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Lynn
segal::
let's
see
what
else
did
I
have
here,?
You
know
I'm
not
trying
to
insult
the
good
work
that
you
do
here.
Okay,
I'm
I'm.
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Shabnam
bista,
cob:
to
jump
into
the
location
of
the
projects.
This
five
point:
17
acre
property,
is
located
north
of
arapahoe
avenue,
it's
west
of
foothills,
parkway,
east
of
33rd
street
and
south
of
pro
parkway,
the
general
character
of
the
industrial
areas
manufacturing
warehouse
as
well
as
commercial
centers..
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Shabnam
bista,
cob:
and,,
as
mentioned
before
the
applicant,
has
requested
a
height
modification
per
the
land
use
code,.
There
are
six
circumstances
in
which
a
slight
modification
can
be
considered
as
part
of
a
site,
site
review,
and
only
projects
that
do
not
meet
the
defined
circumstances
in
this
section.
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Shabnam
bista,
cob:
are
subject
to
the
adopted
community
benefit
requirements.
This
specific
proposal
meets
criterion
to
since
the
properties
located
within
the
igf
zone.
District,
there
are
two
or
fewer
stories
and
the
height
is
necessary
for
manufacturing
testing
or
other
industrial
process
or
equipment.
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ml
robles:-
thank
you,
john,
so
I
have,
and
this
might
be
a
question
for
the
architects,
rather
than
the
staff,,
but
my
questions
around
that
very
same.
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mark
mcintyre:
my
understanding
both
how
expensive
underpasses
are
and
problematic,
etc,
and
they
have
their
own
sets
of
problems
for
the
people
using
them.
I
sing
in
the
winner
drain
each
etc.
My
question
is:
community
cycles,
send
us
an
email,
I'm.
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john
gerstle:
george.
pb,,
jorge
boone:.
Oh
thanks,
I
just
had
a
follow
up
question
because
I'm
confused
on
a
rendering,
maybe
class
staff
can
clarify,,
if
not
the
applicable
clarify.
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Charles
ferro
(he/him)
cob:
a
parking
lot
right
and
there
they
are
indicating
permeable,
pavers
and
they're,,
at
least
in
a
portion
of
their
parking
area.
So
again,
it's
the
plans
are
very
conceptual.
This
point,,
but
another
great
question
for
for
the
team
that
hopefully
they
can
prepare
for,
as
they
get
ready
to
present.
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Edward
stafford
cob:
apologize
for
anything
that
was
wrong
there
in
terms
of
I
haven't
looked
closely
at
the
drainage.
Permeable
pavers
do
work
in
some
areas
as
a
water
quality,
surface
treatment,,
but
there
are
requirements
that
we
had
in
the
code
in
terms
of
what
they
have
to
do
to
treat
all
of
that
area.
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Charles
ferro
(he/him)
cob:
yeah
and
they
do
have
some
detention
area.
That's
embedded.,
shabnam,
bista,,
cob:
in.,
charles
ferro,
(he/him)
cob:,
the
parking
area
as
well,
as
you
know,,
some
of
the
other
green
space,
so
but,
again,
edward
to
your
point,.
It
is
highly
conceptual
at
this
point,
and
obviously
don't
have
you
know,
engineering
drawings
that
are
very
well
great.
Great
question
for
the
applicant.
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Pb,
john
gerstle:,
okay,
I'll
I'll,
take
this
opportunity
to
ask
staff
if
they
have
any
additional
thoughts
about
permeability
through
the
site
for
multi
use
paths.
And
I
have
heard
the
conversation
about
what
exists
and
doesn't
exist
presently
along
the
railroad
and
on
the
other
side
of
the
railroad
but..
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Danica
powell,
applicant:
a
lot
of
the
design
challenges
we've
been
facing
in
our
community,,
how
to
create
excellence
in
design,,
while
functionality
within
our
buildings
and
we're
really
excited
to
answer
all
your
questions
about
the
pitch
rooms
and
the
mechanical.
I'm
having
been
on
planning
board.
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Danica
powell,
applicant:
research
for
the
future,
etc,,
so
I
think
this
is
really
important
that
this
project
is
of
community
value
and
benefit
and
of
design
excellence,
and
so
a
lot
of
thought
has
gone
into
this
design
at
a
very
conceptual
phase.
So
love
to
take
your
comments
forward
as
we
move
through
site
review.
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Shannon
jones
applicant:
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
the
entrance
is
really
very
visible
from
the
walnut
street,.
We
have
a
number
of
signs
that
helped
to
announce
the
project
to
the
to
the
community,
as
well
as
I'm
vanity
deck,
so
whether
that's
the
second
floor,
one
or
the
first
floor,
one
that
we
have.
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Shannon
jones
applicant:
have
a
phone
call.
Maybe
they
can
even
take
some
meetings
out
in
some
of
these
spaces.
Additionally,
we're
looking
at
that
interest.
Once
again,
I'm
going
to
say
that
again
we're
looking
at
this
interest
to
make
sure
that
it's
really
very
visible
from
the
street
and
activating
that
street.
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Daniel
aizenman-
conscience
bay,
co.:
yeah,
if
I
can
think
of
that.
daniel
aizenman-
conscience
bay,
co.:
yes,
at
this
stage,
where
our
building
on
spec
our
intent
is
to
find
a
bill
to
suit
tenants,
ultimately,.
Our
buildings,
designed
to
take
no
more
than
four
to
six
tenants,.
But
our
intent
is
to
lend
a
bigger
tenants.
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Danica
powell,
applicant:
to
the
lowest
point
on
the
site,
so
we're
losing
elevation
both
through
the
height
measurement
and
the
floodplain
elevation,.
So
I
think
that
takes
five
feet
just
off
the
table:
that's
not
in
the
built
form,,
and
then
we
have
our
first
floor,,
which
is
that
office
mid,
lab,
mid
height,
lab.
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Shannon
jones
applicant:
there's
a
small
flat
roof
area
for
the
mechanical
systems
that
would
be
on
this
portion
of
the
roof,.
So
if
that
helps
at
all
that,
55
feet
is
up
here
and
then
those
mechanical
systems
feed
into
each
of
these
spaces
left
and
right
of
this
2d.
Drawing
that
we're
looking
at
here.
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Shannon
jones
applicant:
and
I
got.
pb,
ml
robles:
what
you
got,
but
I'm
talking
about
them,
the
building
form,.
I
think
that's
in
the
in
the
vein,
in
which
it
was
used
in
the
presentation,
saying
that
you
didn't
want
it
to
look
industrial
and
this
is
an
industrial
zone.
So
what's
what's
your
thought.
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Danica
powell,
applicant:,
the
height,
is
again
up
to
55
the
whole
building,
isn't
like
that:
classic
55
foot
four
story:
flat:
roof
building,.
So
we
are
trying
to
change
the
paradigm,
a
little
bit
and
I
recognize
it
feels
different,.
So
I
would
love,
we
would
love
your
feedback
on
where
to
go
from
here.
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ml
robles:,
pompidou,
center
and
stuff
like
that,
so
that's
not
my
question,!
My
question
is
just:
I
think
that
the
55
foot
height,
in
order
to
kind
of
reduce
the
industrial
appearance
may
not
have
as
much
merit
as
as
you're
proposing
so
I'll
just
leave
I'll.
Just
leave
that
question
out
there
um.
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Pb,
sarah
silver:
mm,
so
I'm
just
want
to
ask
about
the
traffic
study.
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Daniel
aizenman-
conscience
bay
co.:.
I
can
address
the
question
related
as
to
why
we
have
as
many
parking
spaces,
first
as
a
code
requirement,
then
we're
asking
for
a
reduction
that
seems
reasonable
to
us
to
cater
to
the
market
that
we're
after.
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Kurt
nordback:
that
said,,
we
understand
the
challenges
of
building
a
full
story,,
as
shown
in
the
tv
that
plan.
So
we
would
support
the
mending
the
connections
plan
to
change
the
road
to
a
multi
user,
multi
use
path,,
but
we
strongly
opposed
the
complete
elimination
of
any
connection
on
the
west
side.
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Charles
ferro
(he/him)
cob:
yeah,
I
mean
I
don't
think
that
that's
unreasonable,
we
kind
of
know
what,
when
we
see
it,
when
we're
looking
at
the
actual
floor
plans
as
part
of
the
site
review
package,,
but
that
that's
not
an
unreasonable
way
to
look
at
it,.
Although
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
the
code
doesn't
actually.
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Daniel
aizenman-
conscience
bay
co.:
an
advocate
for
so
we
were
definitely
on
board
with
that
at
the
time.
After
further
conversations
with
our
engineers,
our
conversation
would
be
nsf
conversation
with
the
city,.
It
became
clear
that
that
was
just
not
going
to
happen
and
we
were
asked
to
actually
remove
that
connection.
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lisa
smith:.
I
think
some
of
the
points
you've
heard
from
other
people,,
but
how
exactly
that
would
look
in
the
boat
form
is
a
great
question.
I
also
far
be
it
for
me
not
to
defer
to
ml
and
architecture,,
but
I
thought
her
points
that
you
can
make.
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Pb,
lisa
smith:,
I
think
again,
mls
point
was
good,,
but
I
kind
of
enjoyed
the
quirkiness
of
them
almost
looking
like
they're
each
little
houses,
little
timmy
sex,.
I
thought
it
was
fun,
you
know,,
but
then,.
When
you
look
at
those
two
large
buildings,
they're
just
kind
of
a
straight
run
of
massive
building
and.
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Pb,
lisa
smith:,
coming
back,
I
would
personally
enjoy
seeing
that
broken
up,.
If
you
can
do
it
and
preserve
the
proforma
yeah,
and
I
just
appreciated
that
it
was
something
different.
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Pb,
ml
robles:.
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
kind
of
go
through
the
things
that
I
support,
and
the
things
that
I
am
have
would
like.
Some
some
more
specificity,
on.
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Pb,
ml
robles:
nice
to
see
is,
if
you
could
put
some
specificity
to
that
and
in
the
in
the
immediate
area,
there's
not
a
lot
of
tall
buildings
right
in
that
in
that
area
there
it
is
still
pretty
industrial.
The
one
story.
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Pb,
ml
robles:,
I
understand
that
the
flir
leaves
you
with
lot
of
sight
and
and
that's
the
parking
looks
like
it
might
even
be
taking
up
more
than
what
the
current
parking
is.
But
I
I
don't
think
that
this
is
a
site
that
necessarily
should
have
a
very
tall
building,
and
you
know,
55
feet
is
is.
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Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
365
in
this
agenda
item
boulder
junction
is
now
accessible
via
the
new
junction
place
bridge
that
can
be
reached
from
the
site
through
walnut
street
and
32nd
street.
So
a
couple
blocks
away:
there's
a
bridge
what
kind
of
bridges
that
pedestrian
bicycles,?
What
can
cross
on
that
bridge.
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jorge
boone:,
so
I
would
I'd
like
the
applicant
and
their
consultants
to
think
long
and
hard
about
that,,
because
that
that
is
a
that
is
a
particular
concern
of
mine,.
And
I
also
think
that
the
site
at
point
five,,
if
they
are
actually
present
some
unique
opportunities
to
mitigate
those
concerns.
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A
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
that
may
be
the
only
realistic
way
to
to
move
people
across
the
tracks
and
that's
something
that
should
be
carefully
considered.
But
it's
not
obvious
to
me.
That
is
something
that
this
applicant
has
to
be
responsible
for,,
for
the
reasons
that
hella
gave
us
earlier
in
the
evening
and.
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Pb,
lisa
smith:
some
things
that
I
thought
were
attracted
about
the
project,,
but
I
hope
to
see
you
continue
forward
as
the
building
design,.
I
appreciate
your
attention
to
it
being
something
that
you
hope
to
build
and
have
last
for
a
while.
E
E
E
E
E
E
A
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
I
forgot
to
mention
one
point
in
my
earlier
comments
and
that
that
is,
with
respect
to
the
parking,
I
really
hope
you're
going
to
unbundle
the
parking
from
from
the
rent
to
improve
but
use
of
it.
But
we'll
talk
about
that,
when
you
come
back
in
time
review,.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Laura.
F
A
F
I
Pb,
ml
robles:
and
you
have
some
thoughts.
I
would
I
would
not
be
supportive
of
sending
this
to
deb.
I
think
that
the
client
has
a
stellar
design
team,,
and
I
would
give
them
the
opportunity
to
respond
to
the
concerns
that
we
have,
at
this
point
before
sending
it
off
to.
I
F
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
I
guess
I.
pb,
laura
kaplan:,
I
don't
know
the
whole
process
and
what
you're
saying
makes
sense
to
me,.
So
I
guess
my
if
I
were
to
move
to
send
it
to
dab.
I
certainly
wouldn't
be
moving
to
send
this
version
to
dab.
I
would
be
moving
to
send,,
whatever
the
applicants.
Next
version
before
site
review,
is.
F
E
E
C
M
D
C
F
F
C
C
Pb,
sarah
silver:,
because
it
was
there,
were
some
very
awkward
components
of
it.
Um.
C
C
Pb,
sarah
silver:,
like
I,
don't
see
anything
about
the
building.
That's
this
is
my
opinion,.
I
don't
see
anything
about
the
building
that
is
so
otter,
awkward
or
off,
putting
or
questionable
that
we
would
feel
the
need
to
send
it
to
tab,
but
I'm
happy
to
be
over
voted.
If,
if
folks
feel
like,
we
should
do
that.
G
G
G
F
Pb,
laura
kaplan:,
so
I
want
to
say:
I'm.
pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
taking
to
heart
what
mark
and
sarah
had
just
said
that
this
might
be
a
project
that
does
not
need
babs.
I,
and
so
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
where
I
think
charles
was
originally
suggesting,
is
that
if
the
applicant
is
so
inclined,,
they
could
take
it
to
dab,
but
that
we
would
not.
F
E
E
E
E
F
F
A
O
O
H
B
O
C
C
C
B
C
B
B
B
B
C
C
A
B
E
A
A
B
B
A
B
B
E
E
A
A
B
B
D
A
B
B
B
B
B
A
D
B
B
I
E
B
B
B
A
B
E
E
E
B
B
B
B
G
G
G
B
B
B
B
B
D
D
D
A
E
E
F
E
E
F
E
B
D
D
Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city,
attorney:
and
right
now,,
it
looks
like
it's
scheduled
out
that
way
for
the
rest
of
the
year,.
I
know
some
boards
are
changing
their
schedule,,
because
council
is
going
to
well
signing
bonus
skins.
It's
changing
it
scheduled
from
thursday
to
tuesday's,
but
it
looks
like
they
may
be.
E
E
A
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
partly
because
of
professional
interest,
I'm
a
water
engineer,,
but
also
in
response
to
their
concern
about
the
no
one
else
paying
attention
to
them.
F
E
I
H
F
G
F
G
A
E
E
E
E
E
R
F
G
B
E
E
F
F
F
G
G
F
F
E
F
F
F
H
F
F
F
G
I
Pb,
ml
robles:,
I'm
will
the.
A
D
D
I
A
F
F
F
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
to
get
the
presentation
and
the
public
hearing
and
and
there's
no
discussion
after
that,
the
meeting
ends
and
then
planning
board
has
its
own
separate
meeting,,
where
we
do
our
discussion
like
there's
no
presentation,
no
here
and
we've
already
had
that.
But
we
just
do
a
discussion.
Right.