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So
just
daniel
leonard
(he/him):
double
checking
for
members
of
the
public..
If
you
during
this
meeting,
if
you
have
a
general
or
quick
question,,
you
can
pop
that
in
the
qa..
But
please
do
not.
use
the
chat,,
and
that
goes
for
panelists,
too..
You
can
use
the
chat
if
you
need
to
send
a
one
on
one
message
to
folks.,
but
if
you
have
something
you
want
to
share
with
the
group.-.
B
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
please
do
so
out
loud,,
so
we
can
get
that
on
the
recording
for
later.
and
I
think,
amy
will
be
watching
our
qa.
tonight.,
but
members
of
the
community,,
if
it's
a
bigger
question,,
we
may
refer
you
to
our
public
comment
section
at
the
end
of
this
evening.
in
which
which
case
we
can
address
it.
Then.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
police,
hyphen
oversight.,
you
can
also
contact
the
police
oversight
panel
for
any
general
queries
or
media
requests
through
police
oversight
panel
at
boulder,
colorado..
That
email
address
goes
straight
to
edas,
and
I
the
co-chairs
of
the
panel,
and
we
share
anything
we
get
with
the
panel
at
large.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
and
we'll
read
to
our
agenda
now
for
this
evening,,
so
we'll
start
off
with
an
approval
of
our
july
meeting
minutes.,
then
we'll
get
a
status
report
on
a
on
the
hiring
of
a
new
independent,
monitor.
Spoilers.
we
hired
someone
consultant
update.
The
police
will
also
get
a
consultant
update
from
farrah..
On
the
ordnance
working
group.-.
B
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
we
will
check
in
to
see
if
there's
any
updates
from
our
panel
committees.
we'll
get
an
update
on
conferences
as
we
we
had
our
conference
this
week
in
boulder,
which,
victor,.
If
you
might
have,,
I
might
hand
it
to
you
just
to
give
a
say,
a
little
bit,
since
I
know
you
were
there.
and
then
we
also
want
to
touch
base
on
the
nicole
conference,
coming
up
shortly
to
and
give
you
an
update,
there.
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A
Amy
mcmahon:-
and
I
hope
you
all
got
the
email
earlier
today
from
nuria,
that
we
successfully
run
the
process
for
the
new
independent
monitor
and
our
new
independent
monitor.,
sherry
down,
don,.
Is
it
done?
or
down,
down
will
be
starting
on
the
20
s
of
august.,
so
right
around
the
corner,
just
a
couple
of
weeks,
away.
so.
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Amy
mcmahon:
we're
talking
through.
what
that
transition
looks
like
with
our
colleagues.
From
the
oir
group.-
and
of
course,
there
is
still
gonna
be
leading
us
through
all
of
the
ordnance
work.,
so
we're
just
really
excited
to
have
that
happen,
and
thanks
for
those
of
you
who
participated
and
showed
up
for
community
sessions
as
well
as
participated
on
the
interview
panel
super
site.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
thanks,,
amy.
and
yeah.,
so
in
full
disclosure,
this,
this
happens..
So
when
the
co-chairs
have
any
private
meetings,,
we
always
wanna
disclose
what
happened
with
those
as
soon
as
we
can
to
you,
all.
so,
dawson,.
I
did
serve
on
the
community
panel,
along
with
teresa
and
former
panelist,
taisha
adams,,
to
interview
all
the
candidates.,
so
that
happened
and
then
also
we
met
with.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
so
we
met
with
nuria
monday
evening,
and
at
that
point,
to
we
discussed
with
her
potentially
setting
up
a
kind
of
a
transition.
Team.
likely
I
would
ii
would
be
on
it.,
but
then,.
Also
looking
at
oir
group,
someone
from
the
police
department
just
to
to
coordinate
that
transition.
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B
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
hopefully,,
the
ordinance
updates
will
be
will
be.
yeah,,
I
see
you
fair
will
be
completed,
and
also..
That's
then,
when
our
temporary
moratorium
will
also
be
lifted.
once
those
ordinance
updates
are
confirmed..
So
we're
really
looking
at
october
as
being
that
opportunity
to
really
hit
the
ground
running
again.
With,
you
know,
panel
version
2.
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A
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E
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Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
the
members
on
the
work
group
have
been
amazing.
and
literally
we
have
full
attendance
for
every
meeting.
We
meet.
tuesday
evenings
for
2
h,
and
I
try
my
hardest
to
keep
us
on
our
time.
schedule.
But
people
come
there.,
they
come
prepared.,
they
come
with
their
candor
and
their
perspectives.,
we
disagree,
and
we,,
and
then
we
somehow
find
a
way,
and
then
or
we
pause
it,
and
we
come
back
to
it
in
the
following
week..
So
it's
been.
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E
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):.
We
have
a
pretty
good
working
draft..
Our
last
meeting
on
tuesday..
We
went
through
like
kind
of
like
the
first
half
of
our
working
draft..
Next
meeting
we're
gonna
go
through
the
second
half
of
our
working
draft,
and
then
we're
we're
taking
the
last
2
meetings
to
find
tune.
Things.,
but.
E
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
clarifying
some
things.
we're
making
things
more
direct
in
the
ordinance.,
giving
more
structure..
I
as
much
as
I
appreciate
the
effort
that
was
made
in
drafting
of
the
current
ordinance..
It
is
difficult
to
read
and
follow.
so
we're,
you
know,,
organizing
it
differently
and
kind
of
putting
it
in
sections
that
makes
sense.
E
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E
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
in
bolder
and
also
kind
of
the
relationship
between
the
panel
and
the
independent
monitor..
What
that
should
be
like..
So
those
are
some
topics
we
still
have
yet
to
talk.
About.
that
are
very
substantive.,
so
we
you
know,,
we
just
need
to
get
there,
and
we're
going
to
get
there..
We're
definitely
going
to
get
there.
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E
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
the
feedback
and
the
participation
of
the
community
members
and
the
panel
members
and
the
staff
on
the
work
group
has
been
phenomenal.
and
I
really
is,
as
a
facilitator.
they've
really
made
it.
a
great
experience
for
me,
cause.
I've
done
this
several
times
before,
and
it
hasn't
been
as
pleasant.
and
so
this..
This
has
been
a
really
great
experience.
E
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
I
don't
ii,
don't
want
to
steal
victor's
thunder,,
but
I
do
want
to
just
bring
up
a
little
bit
about.
We
have
already
said
in
our
our
prior
community
event
that
we
would
absolutely
have
a
follow
up
community
event
to
get
feedback
on
that.,
so
we're
looking
at,
you
know,
mid
september
to
do
that.,
and
so
I'm
going
to
be
working
through.
E
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
how
it
makes
sense
to
get
feedback
from
the
community.,
and
I
want
to
tie
this
to
my
presentation
that
I
gave
to
council
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
in
that
what
I'm
proposing
to
present
to
them
in
october
is
kind
of
like
4
sections
of
the
work
group
recommendation..
My
recommendation,,
a
summary
of.
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Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
the
meetings
that
I
had
when
I
first
came
on
board
the
the
the
feedback
that
we
received
from
our
june
event,
and
then,.
Obviously,
the
feedback
that
we
received
from
the
from
the
september
event,
and
then
the
last
section
would
be
kind
of
areas
where
there
just
wasn't.
Agreement.
E
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
and
so
that's
really
how
I
envision.
the
documentation
will
go
to
council.,
and
so
I'm
I'm
setting
that
out
there,
because
ii
wanna
set
a
clear
expectation
for
community
that
we're
looking
forward
to
there
receiving
their
back,
their
feedback
and
their
feedback
will
be
presented
directly
to
city
council
for
for
review,
and
so
that
that
is
really
my
goal.
to
do.
That.
and.
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Hadasa
(she/her):
okay?
well.,
hadasa
(she/her):.
I
can't
have,
you
know,,
like
we,.
I
think
we
compromise
well
and
are
able
to
to
come
to
terms
with
things
that
all
parties
are
are
fairly
happy
with..
So
that
makes
me
hopeful
that
the
approval
process
will
will
go
pretty
quickly.
and
that,.
You
know,,
considering
that
everyone
was.
E
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
so
I
think.
the
next
meeting,.
The
next
panel
meeting
is
what?
right
after
the
labor
day
holiday,.
I
believe
so
obviously,
prior
to
that
there'll
be
a
written
update
to
the
panel
where
we
at,,
because
we're
really
gonna
wrap
up
by
the
end
of
the
month..
So
probably
you
know.
our
our
last
meeting,.
I
think,
is
august
2829,
somewhere
around
there.,
so
probably
sometime
that
week
or
the
first
week
of
the
probably
that
week.
E
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):.
I
will
send
something
to
the
panel,,
because
ii
don't
want
to
wait
until
the
next
meeting..
I
want
you
to,
you
know,
as
soon
as
we
wrap
up,
and
everybody
feels
comfort
from
the
work,
we're
both
comfortable.
ii
can
send
something
out
to
the
panel
for
them
to
review
and
and
give
me
feedback.
On.
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E
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
so
we
have
some
tentative
days
that
I'm
hesitant
to,,
you
know.
so
mid
mid
september..
So
I
did
bring
this
up
in
the
workgroup
meeting,
because
I
was
asked
to
look
at
the
link
that
you
sent
us,
and
also
the
link
to
look
into
football
games..
And
so
there
are
football
games
on
2
saturdays.
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E
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):.
Sorry,
I
muted
myself
100..
I
think
it's
gonna
be
really
important
for
this
particular
panel.,
but
like
also
one
of
the
things
I'm
gonna
be
working
on
with
sherry
when
she
comes
on
is
formalizing
the
training
for
the
panel
and
also
the
onboarding
process,
to
just
really
make
it
like.
E
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
just
a
systematic
thing
that
something
comes
up..
This
is
what
happens.,
and
so
that
will
make
it
much
easier
and
have
it
be
more
consistent,
but
100
like
it.
it
may,.
It
may
be
a
painful
experience
going
through
the
different
sections,
because
it
it
is
a
2,,
but
I
think
it's
gonna
be
needed.,
because
it
is.
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E
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
well,.
I
think
what
we,
what
what?,
I
probably
should
have
been
more
clear..
What
I
mean
by
that..
I
think
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
get
feedback
from
groups
that
are
marginalized
right?
and
we
are
intentionally
putting
forward
the
the
recommendation
to
do
2
events,
so
that
more
people
can
be
able
to
provide
feedback..
So
we
had
one
event
at
5
pm.
at
the
library,
and.
E
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
you
know
we
did
our
best
to
try
to
get
as
many
people
as
we
can..
It
was
out
there,,
but
you
know,,
and
so
this
time
we're
really
trying
to
think
of,.
How
do
we
get
more
people
to
come
out
to
give
their
feedback?
and
so
part
of
the
consideration
for
the
football
game?
Was.
E
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
traffic
is
horrible,
or
you
know,,
who
might
be,
you
know,
attending
and
access
to
public
transportation
on
that
day..
So
obviously
I
don't
live
in
boulder,,
so
I
don't
know,.
So
I
rely
on
those
who
live
in
boulder
to
tell
me
having
it
on
a
saturday
afternoon
or
saturday
morning
on
a
football
weekend..
Does
that
make
sense,,
or
does
it
take
away
from
the
groups
that
we're
looking
to
get
feedback?
On?
we're
still
gonna
have.
E
E
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):.
We
get
the
most
amount
of
people
as
possible..
We
also
talked
about
having
it
on
a
sunday.,
but
I
think,
having
on
a
sunday
also
limits
a
specific
population..
So
this
is
where,
like
community
engagement
is
challenging
your.,
you
make
it
your
best
effort
to
try
to
get
the
most
amount
of
people,,
but
at
some.
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E
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
yeah.
and
that's
feedback,
I
need.
cause
iii,
don't
even
know
what
that
is.,
it's
the
it's
the
football
game,
between.
sis
I
I've
literally
never
been
to
see
you
football
games.,
I'm
just
gonna
own
that
myself..
But
it's
the
game
between
csu
and
see
you,
but
football
games
in
boulder
generally
shut
down
central
boulder,,
but
especially
I'd
expect
the
showdown
to
be
particularly.
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Victor
king:
no,,
those
are
just
the
the
thing
is,.
It
has
to
be
coordinated
with
the
committee.
That's
doing
the
review
work.,
so
that's
gonna
be
the
difficult
part
cause.,
I'm
not
part
of
that
committee.,
and
so
that
group
that's
been
meeting
for
2
h.
All
the
time
like
they
have
to..
You
want
them
to
be
able
to
attend.
One
of
those
events.
E
E
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
ii
mean,.
I
even
thought
about
the
september
twenty-third.,
but
even
then
there's
a
football
game
that
day,
too.,
but
that's
late.,
but
if
we
had
to
do
the
twenty-third,,
so
we
could
have
a
weekend
option,
because
we
talked
about
that.
Just
might
be
better
for
people
than
you
know
an
evening
in
person
during
the
week..
That's
another.,
that's
another
option.!.
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E
B
B
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
or
earlier
than
I
mean.
the
dates
that
that
victor
gave
cause.
we
talked
about.
the
week.,
that
is
the
labored
event,
the
labor
day
week
would
probably
not
be
a
good
week,,
because
people
may
still
be
out..
So
then
that
leaves
the
following
week..
So
you
know
the
again.
2
events.
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B
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
and
especially
on
game
day.,
so
campus
goes
on
lockdown
for
game
day,,
because
tailgating
starts
at
like
noon.,
if
not
earlier.,
so
not
a
crazy
idea.,
but
that
is
something,.
You
know.
ii
think
we
should..
We
should
put
a
pin
in
that
for
a
community
event
at
some
point.
you
know,,
it's
just.,
it's!
It
can
be
a
real
pain
to
to
get.
B
B
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
okay,,
so
so
yeah,.
So
why
don't?
We
have
a
think
on
venues:
capacity,
20,
to
30
people.?
Let's
get
those
ideas
to
victor
and
farrah
by
friday.
so
that
they
can
lock
in
a
date.
and
we
can
get
promotion
going
out
to
the
community.
and
picking
up
with
victor,
said,
you
know,
making
sure
we
get
that
identified
soon,
enough,
that
we
also
have
time
to
be
using
our
volunteer
hours
to
get
out
there
and
get
the
word
out
to
our
community?.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
the
police
conference
that
happened
in
boulder
this
week,
and
someone
and
victor
had
attended
that.
I
wanted
to
also
give
an
update
on
the
nicole
conference,
and
so
in
the
past.,
so
the
last
yeah,
I
see
flow,
and
so
last
year
we
sent
it
was
dasa.
and
martha
actually
went..
So
we
assigned
2
panelists
to
go
this
year.
just
the
way
the
budget
is,
is
rolling
out..
We
will
have.
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Florence
finkle:
yeah,,
I'm
as
you
know,
florence
finkle:,
been
a
board
member
of
napoleon
for
5
years..
I
also
am
serving
as
co-chair
of
the
annual
conference
committee,
this
year,
and
I
will
be
conveying
to
the
city,
administrators
and
the
new
monitor
that.
I
really
think
it's
important
for
the
new
monitor
to
attend.
and.
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florence
finkle:.
I
don't
know
whether
well,
there
will
be
a
lot
of
cases
that
I
will
have
facilitated
it.
This
september
meeting,,
but
I'm
sure
sherri,.
The
new
monitor,
will
be
presenting
the
monitors.
report,
not
me,
but
I
will
probably
help
her,
you
know,.
By
preparing
some
of
the
synopsis.
anyway,
we're
gonna.
It's
really
been
an
honor..
If
this
is
the
last
time
I
see
you,,
it's
been
an
honor
working
with
all
of
you,
and
I.
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Florence
finkle:
really
respect
your
commitment
to
the
police
oversight
process
and
making
the
boulder
police
department
more
transparent
and
just
on
a
personal
level..
I've
enjoyed
getting
some
of
you..
I've
met
face
to
face,
and
I've
met
some
of
you
just
virtually,,
but
I've
really
enjoyed
working
with
you,
and
we
have
a
few
more
case
panels
coming
up..
So.
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Florence
finkle:
in
this
case,
stemmed
from
an
encounter
between
a
man
and
a
woman
in
central
park,,
which
ended
up
in
both
of
them,
calling
9
1
one..
The
woman
called
first
and
said
that
a
man
had
assaulted
her
with
a
knife,,
and
the
man
reported
that
the
woman
attempted
to
assault
him
with
a
knife.
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Florence
finkle:
the
woman
filed
a
complaint
afterwards,
and
alleged
that
the
police
improperly
conducted
an
investigative
stop
of
her
friend,
failed
to
arrest
the
alleged
assailant,
and
that
officer
2
didn't
identify
himself
as
required
under
the
policy.,
and
there
were
multiple
allegations
officer.
One
was
the
officer
who
conducted
the
stop.
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Florence
finkle:
the
panel
felt
that
that
was
justified
and
exonerated
the
officer,,
and
that
was
a
unanimous
decision
with
which
the
department,
agreed,
and
the
second
allegation
against
officer
2,
is
that
he
didn't
identify
himself
as
required
under
policy.
a
panel
by
the
2
to
one
vote
voted
to
exonerate,
and
the
department
agreed.
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Florence
finkle:
I
have
to
deem
the
investigation
complete
and
thorough
prior
to
the
department
making
a
determination.
this
case,
then,
from
an
encounter
on
may
seventeenth,
late
at
night,,
a
woman
called
9
1
one
to
report
that
someone
was
trying
to
get
in
to
her
house,
and
when
wouldn't
stop
trying
to
get
in
and
wouldn't
leave.
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Florence
finkle:
and
ask
the
dispatcher
to
have
the
police..
Please
hurry..
The
dispatcher
told
the
woman
that
she
didn't
have
to
ask
that
the
police,
to
please
hurry
cause
the
police
were
on
their
way..
The
woman's
sister
then
got
on
the
phone
and
provided
the
description
of
the
suspect
and
other
details..
She
reiterated
that
the
occupants
of
the
home
were
scared,
and
asked
how
long
would
take
police
to
arrive..
The
dispatcher
told
the
sister
that
the
officers
were
in
boulder,
and
will
be
there
soon,,
but
you
live
far.
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Florence
finkle:
quote
unquote.
when
the
sister
protested.,
the
dispatcher
said
she
would
disconnect
the
call,
because
the
sister
was
yelling
at
her,
that
the
call
was
not
disconnected..
The
police
arrived
about
10
min
later
the
would
be
intruder
was
a
college
student
who
lived
down
the
block,
who
was
so
drunk
and
or
drugged.
He
didn't
realize
she
was
trying
to
get
into
the
wrong
house.
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Florence
finkle:
and
the
allegations
the
monitor
pleaded
were
that
the
dispatcher
did
not
comply
with
the
customer
service
value
of
the
department,
and
that
violated
dispatcher
protocol
for
the
second
allegation..
The
monitor
chose,
in
this
case
not
to
make
an
independent
recommendation,
and
the
department
found
both
allegations
to
be
not
sustained,,
but
the
chief.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
thanks.
flow,
daniel
leonard
(he/him):
and
now,
panelists
so
I'll
hand
it
back
to
you
all,
because,
of
course,.
This
is
our
opportunity.
now,,
in
accordance
with
the
current
ordinance.
that
we
can
offer
any
comment
related
to
only
to
the
details
that
flow
just
released
on
any
of
the
case
reviews..
This
is
our
opportunity.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
oh,,
sorry,
I
saw
you
unmuted.
in
that
case,
I
would
just
like
to
think
if,
if
this
is
our
last
meeting,
thank
the
entire
or
ir
group
for
your
work
with
us.,
I
I'll
say
for
myself,.
I
found
it
personally
very
rewarding..
I
learned
so
much
for
you
from
you..
I
am
so
grateful.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
oops!,
sorry
lost
my
tab.
Every
member
of
the
pim
public
will
be
allow
unmuted,
and
will
be
asked
if
they'd
like
to
comment
this
evening..
If
you
do
want
to
give
comment
this
evening.
we,,
we
give
members
the
public
to
unimpeded
minutes
to
do
so,
and
if
there's
an
interruption
or
lost
connection,,
we
will
stop
the
top
clock
to
make
sure
you
get
your
full
2
min.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
and
with
that
yes.
daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
I
will
daniel
leonard
(he/him):
share
my
screen.,
daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
and
it
looks
like
we
have
just
one
member
of
the
community
today.
so
amber.
You
should
be
able
to
unmute.
now,.
Would
you
like
to
give
comment
this
evening.
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Sterling:,
if
anybody
wants
to
do
a
ride,
along,
or
just
do
a
tour
of
the
the
building
and
do
it
with
me,
just
feel
free
to
reach
out.
give
me
an
email.
Pursuing
email
should
say,.
I
can
take
you
around
on
my
detective
vehicle.,
so
it's
not
under
a
real
police
car.
and
they
can
still
just
drive
around
and
look
out.
Officers.