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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
public
comment
at
the
end
of
tonight's
meeting,,
as
we
always
do.
and
as
a
reminder
for
panelists..
If
you
have
any
comments,,
please
make
sure
to
share
those
verbally
through
the
meeting..
We
only
wanna
use
the
chat.
If
you
need
to
do
a
one
on
one
communication
with
me
or
someone
else
in
the
room.,
that's
fine,,
but
no
group
con
communications
in
the
chat
of
the
meeting.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
you
can
also
reach
the
panel
through
our
general
panel
email
police
oversight
panel
at
boulder,,
colorado.
gov,.
That
email
address
is
monitored
by
myself
and
our
other
co.
chair,
hadasa,,
and
any
communications
that
come
to
the
2
of
us
through
that
email.
We
share
with
the
full
panel
unless,
of
course,,
it's
it's
spam
or
something
we
can
quickly
answer
on
our
own.,
but
we
do
forward
those
on
to
the
panel
generally.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
I
will
read
through
this
evening's
agenda
and
panelists
just
buckle
in..
We
are
back
to
fall
meetings,
so
this
will
be
another
long
meeting
and
for
those
of
you
who
haven't
had
a
long
meeting
with
us
yet,,
we
will
take
a
break
at
least
every
hour,
so
we'll
have
a
break
at
at
7
30..
So
we
can
have
a
little.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
and
we'll
actually
go
around
panelists.
that'll,
be
a
good
opportunity
for
us
to
introduce
ourselves
to
sheri
and
again
to
the
public..
It's
always
good
to
to
reintroduce
ourselves
to
the
public
every
once
in
a
while.,
so
just
be
thinking
through
a
you
know,,
a
brief
introduction
of
who
you
are..
What
brings
you
to
police
oversight?
and
cause
we'll
go?
Do
a
little
round
robin
there.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
and
then
the
big
agenda
item
for
this
evening,
we'll
be
getting
our
update
from
the
consultant
on
the
police
oversight.
Ordinance
discussion.,
we'll
have
a
discussion
and
a
qa.
related
to
that.
and
fair
is
gonna.
Go
through
the
timeline,
give
it
a
presentation
on
the
ordinance
changes,
and
then
give
us
an
update
on
next
steps
in
that
process.
and
then
after
that,.
We
will
turn
it
over
to
public
comment.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
to
sherri
to
intro,
I
well,
I'll
I'll
just
actually
go
ahead
and
kick
it
off..
I
wanna
welcome
sherry
to
the
police
oversight
panel
as
independent
monitor
under
our
current
ordinance.
Sherry
as
independent
monitor
is
a
non
voting.
Member
of
this
panel.,
much
like
sterling,
is
as
well,
and
so
I
wanna
welcome
sherry
and
of
course,.
It
was
a
rigorous.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
who
didn't
know.
adas
and
I
did
serve
on
a
community
panel
along
with
teresa
from
the
oir
group
and
with
taisha,
a
previous
member
of
the
panel..
We
were
part
of
the
community..
The
community
group
that
interviewed
the
candidates,
interviewed
sherry
spent
the
day
in
boulder,
with
us,
interviewing,
with
all
sorts
of
people
in
our
community
before
the
final
appointment.,
and
so
with
that,
I'll
hand
it
over
to
sherry
to
introduce
herself
to
all
of
you..
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Sherry
daun:,
you
know.,
you
all
know
the
same
thing.,
but
the
the
job
posting
went
up
in
may,.
So
it
feels
like
it's
been
a
very
long
time
from
when
I
saw
this
job
posting
in
early
may,
to
actually,
you
know,
being
here
in
front
of
you.
and
in
the
meantime,
I've
sort
of
been
stalking
you
and
watching
y'all
on
on
camera.
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Sherry
daun:
ride
my
bike,
home,
and
almost
every
day
has
been
a
new
route,
because
I
still
don't
know
where
I'm
going,
and
I
get
lost.
some
of
the
twists
and
turns
of
the
paths..
So
it's
been
very
humbling
in
a
lot
of
in
a
lot
of
ways.,
but
I'm
very
much
looking
forward.
To,,
you
know,
getting
to
know
each
of
you.,
both
individually
and
as
a
group.
and.
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Sherry
daun:
there
is.,
sherry,
daun:,
amy
mcmahon,
does
not
just
look
different.
it
is.
I'd
like
to
introduce
selina..
She
is
on
her
second
week
working
for
the
city
of
boulder,
and
she's
gonna
be
helping
out
both
myself
and
the
panel.
doing.
All
of
that
very
important
behind
the
scenes.
Admin
work,
and
so
I'd
like
I'd
like
to
introduce
selena
right,
now.
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Amy
mcmahon:
nice
to
meet
all
of
you
and
see
finally,
a
name
to
a
place
so,
like
sherry
said,,
I
hope
to
meet
all
of
you
soon,,
since
we
have
some
upcoming
events
going
on,,
so
I
hope
to
meet
everyone.
and
yeah,.
I
just
wanna
thank
everyone
for
the
patience.
as
sherry
said,.
This
is
all
new
to
the
both
of
us..
So
thank
you
for
all
your
patience.
and
yeah,.
I'm
I'm
excited
to
help
you
and
everyone
of
you
and
sherry..
So.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
thanks,,
selina.,
thanks.
sherry.,
so
yeah,
panelists.
I'll
I'll,
kick
us
off
introducing
ourselves.,
course,,
sherry,
we've
already
met.,
I'm
I'm
daniel
leonard..
I
work
for
the
university
of
colorado
boulder
and
I've
been
on
the
panel
for
3
years.
Now.
my,.
My
term
is
up
in
february,
and
I've
been
the
co-chair
for
over
a
year
now,
along
with.
adasa
is
our
current
co.
chair
as
well,
and
she's
on
away
on
a
very
well
deserved.
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Florence
finkle:
oh,
ir
group
or
you
know,,
I
am
gonna-
retain
responsibility
for
some
of
the
cases
and
process
because
it
doesn't
make
sense
for
sherri
to
spend
her
time
catching
up,
and
we
are
hoping
that
that
is
completed
by
the
end
of
the
month.
there's
2
more
case,
reviews
that
are
already
scheduled,
that
I'm
gonna
facilitate.
one
is
tomorrow.
Night.
one
is
next
week
and
sherry
will
be
present.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
a
temporary
moratorium,
on
new
business,
unrelated
to
the
ordinance.,
and
so
what
flows
referring
to,,
though
there
is
to
case
reviews.
The
panel
had
already
committed
to
before
that
moratorium.
we've
not
been
taking
on
new
case
reviews
as
we
sort
out
the
the
legal
challenges
and
gaps
in
the
ordinance
that
were
were
challenging
to
that
work,
and
we
needed
to
fix
those
before
we
resumed
case
reviews.
and
so.
D
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
and
so
our
hope
is,
is
to
have
the
ordinance
in
place
by
then
to
smoothly
both
transition,
sherry
in,,
but
also
transition.
The
panel
back
on
to
a
full
panel
business,
full
panel
work.,
and
so
we
are
preparing
for
that
now,
and
to
reiterate
what
selena
and
sherry
had
said,.
We
are
looking
for
an
opportunity,
panelists
for
us
actually.
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
begin
doing
hybrid
meetings
as
well,
so
that
we
can
be
meeting
in
person
for
these
meetings,,
while
also
maintaining
an
option
to
connect
virtually
either
as
members
of
the
public
or
ourselves..
We
wanna
maintain
that
accessibility,
while
also
bringing
a
little
bit
more
of
a
human
element
back
to
our
work..
We've
been
since
the
start
of
this
panel.
We've
been
exclusively
having
these
meetings
virtually
because
of
covid
and
and
and
all
the
things..
So
I
really
look
forward
to
that
as
well.
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
in
regards
to
the
transition,,
this
is
a
lot..
It's
it's
a
big
transition.,
so
I
really
do
would
appreciate
everyone's
attentiveness.
to
our
inboxes,
and
you
know,,
and
just
keeping
an
eye
on
things,
how
things
are
going.
and
if
that
something
seems
off,
or,
if
seems
like,
I'm
dropping
the
ball,
or
if
somewhere,
you
know,,
there's
a
gap,
we're
forgetting.,
we
need
to
cover.,
please
don't
hesitate
to
reach
out
and
let
us
know.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
to
the
to
those
of
you
who
introduce
yourselves
as
as
babies
on
the
panel.,
I
don't
believe
it.
you're,
all
brilliant
and
amazing,
as
I've
already
experienced,.
So
please
truly
do
not
hesitate
to
jump
in
you
know,.
If
you
see
something
that
we
could
be
doing
better,
just
let
us
know
it's
now's
the
time
to
to
get
back
to
work.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
to
your
question.,
so
yes.
february,
is
when
some
of
our
terms
of
existing
panel
members
are
up.,
and
so
we
are
down
to
one
alternate
panelist,
who
was
appointed
by
city
council,,
who
could
fill
one
of
our
seats.?
Should
we
complete?
or
our
term?
or
you
know,
as
as
has
happened,
life
happens,
you
know..
Sometimes
you
just
have
to
step
back.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
the
process
goes
for
appointing
new
panelists.
and
so
we've
started
in
our
co
chair
meetings,
which
I
wanna
reiterate
those
co-chair
meetings..
You
all
get
invitations
to
those..
Should
you
ever
wanna
just
drop
in
on
those
you
are..
You
are
always
welcome
in
those
meetings.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
but
you're
also
not
required
to
be
at
them.,
so
anytime
anything
happens
at
those
meetings,
daisa
and
I
will
bring
that
information
back
to
you,
all.
and
so
in
those
meetings
we
started.
Having
that
conversation
of
needing
to
prepare
a
a
recruitment
cycle.,
so
we
are.
time
is
up
for
us
to
begin
recruiting,
again.
and
to
begin
selecting
new
panelists.,
and
so
that's
gonna
be
dependent
on
what
the
new
ordinance
is.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
we're
gonna
be
able
to
launch
that
recruitment
and
selection
process
and
and
as
we
recall,
the
last
go
around,
it
was.
It
was
a
heart..
It
was
a
really
challenging
selection
process.,
and
so
we
learned
a
lot
from
that
from
our
community,
from
ourselves,
from
those
in
power.
who
who
make
the
decision.
the
final
decision
on.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
who
of
us,
will
serve
on
this
panel,
and
so
I
wanna
make
sure
that
we
are
giving
it
the
time
the
thought
to
to
really
do
it
thoroughly
and
do
it
well.
to
to
make
sure
it's
smooth
for
all
remaining
panelists.
come
february,.
We
don't
end
up
in
that
that
situation
we
were
in
last
time,,
which
was
the
possibility
of
losing
a
quorum
on
the
panel's
business,.
So
so
that
acknowledged.
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
with
that
I'll
go
ahead.
adas
and
I
are
the
remaining
members
of
governance.,
so
I
will
repeat:
our.
our,
our,,
our
our
record..
If
anyone
would
like
to
join
the
governance,
committee,
we'd
we'd
really
appreciate
that
part
of
that
is
because
neither
of
us
we
are
actually
drafting
on
our
bylaws
that
as
co-chairs,,
neither
of
us
can
actually
chair
the
governance.
Committee..
We
don't
wanna
concentrate
power
like
that.,
so
we
are
looking
for
a
chair
of
governance..
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Daniel
leonard
(he/him):-
and
we
had
several
amendments
that
were
already
in
the
work
addressing
some
of
the
challenges.
We
were
facing.
as
a
panel,,
and
so
we
need
to
get
those
worked,
up.
and
so
the
hope
is,
you
know,
as
soon
after
as
possible,
with
the
new
ordinance,
we
will
be
bringing
to
you,
all,,
amended
bylaws,
to
review,,
give
feedback,
on,
and
then
approve
and
there's
some
pretty
substantial
things
in
there
that
we'll
we'll
want
to
address..
So
if
you
wanna,
join
in
on
the
fun.
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Sherry
daun:,
the
panel
exonerated
and
the
department
also
determined..
It
was
exonerated
for
the
rule.
one
allegation,
compliance
with
values,
rules,
and
general
orders.
go.
2,
40
in
car
cameras,
body,
worn
cameras
and
personal
recording
devices;
muted,
an
angled
body,
worn
camera
for
conversation
with.
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Sherry
daun:
when
the
adams
county
police
academy,
slash
flat
irons,
regional
training,
center
staff
investigated
and
interviewed
the
police
trainee.
one
he
twice:
lied.
first,.
He
said
he
was
ill,
and
attended
the
class,,
except
for
having
to
use
the
bathroom
twice,
and
going
to
his
truck
to
get
nausea
medication..
When
pressed,.
He
said
he
stayed
in
his
truck
for
45
min
during
the
afternoon,
because
he
did
not
feel
well.
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Sherry
daun:
after
leaving
this
interview.,
he
returned
15
min
later
and
told
the
staff
that
he
did,
in
fact,
go
to
his
truck
that
afternoon,
and
stayed
in
his
truck
all
afternoon,,
except
when
he
had
to
use
the
bathroom..
He
could
not
explain
why
he
didn't
tell
the
truth
earlier
during
the
interview..
He
also
admitted
that
he
had,
as
rumored,
watched,
youtube
and
other
website
videos
in
class,
in
violation
of
academy
rules,
and
was
watching
videos
in
the
bathroom.
when
he
had
been
assigned
to
cleaning
chores.
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Sherry
daun:
rule
8,
conduct
watch
videos
on
his
cellular
telephone
when
he
was
tasked
to
conduct
chi
cleaning
chores..
The
independent
monitor
recommended
for
all
of
these
allegations.
a
sustained
do
not
rehire,
and
the
department
determination
for
all
of
these
allegations
was
also
sustained..
Do
not
rehire.
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Sherry
daun:
according
to
the
complainant,
who
provided
a
license
plate
to
the
boulder
police
department,,
an
off
duty
officer
over
the
course
of
years,
violated
traffic
regulations
and
route
to
work
at
the
boulder
police
department..
In
his
interview,
the
officer,,
who
was
a
sergeant,,
admitted
to
violating
various
traffic
laws,
and
said
that
he
had
started
strictly
complying
with
all
traffic
regulations.
Since
the
complaint
was
filed.
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Sherry
daun:
he
applied,
and
the
department
determination
was
also
sustained
supervisory
counseling..
In
addition,
the
panel
expressed
concern
that,
by
repeatedly
and
knowingly
violating
traffic
regulations
officer,
one
set
a
bad
example
for
the
officers
who
he
whom
he
is
responsible
for
training
and
managing.
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Sherry
daun:
misconduct,
investigation.
mi.
2023,
dash
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0
9.,
summarized
as
a
woman
called
9,
1,
one
at
6,
13
pm.,
to
report
that
she
found
2,
children,
ages,
3
and
one
years
old,
alone
on
the
sidewalk..
The
one
year
old,
was
naked..
It
was
approximately
31
degrees,
and
the
caller
took
the
children
to
a
nearby
7,
11,,
where
the
staff
gave
the
one
year
old,
a
shirt.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
Sherry
daun:,
rule.,
rule.,
4.,
respect
for
others,
commented
on
the
state
of
an
individual's
apartment.
rule,
5.
police
authority
and
public
trust
detained
an
individual..
The
panel
recommended
exonerated
findings
for
all
3
allegations,,
and
the
department
also
determined
that
all
3
of
these
allegations,
of
officer,
one
were
exonerated.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
Sherry
daun:,
a
security
off
contacted
a
credit
union
security
official
and
provided
him
with
the
transaction
details,,
including
the
pay's
description..
The
security
official
sent
the
officers
a
video
which
depicted
the
complainant.,
which
is
a
complainant
witness,,
not
the
payee,,
a
37
year
old
black
man
who
submitted
a
check
for
deposit
to
a
teller
at
2,,
44
pm.
H
Sherry
daun:
the
officers
identified
the
complainant
witness
and
questioned
him
at
his
workplace.
The
next
day
the
complaining
witness
said
that
he
had
deposited
a
check
at
the
credit
union,
the
previous
day,,
and
showed
the
officers
records
from
his
telephone..
The
officers
left
and
met
with
the
credit
union
manager..
They
realized
that
the
security
official
sent
them
the
incorrect
video..
The
actual
suspect
was
at
the
bank
from
1
30
to
2
40
pm.
officer,
one
called
the
complaining
witness
explained
what
happened
and
apologized.
H
Sherry
daun:
in
rule,,
one
compliance
with
values,
rules
and
general
orders.
go.
305.
field,
interviews,,
pat
downs
and
consent,
searches,
questioned
and
or
detained
the
complainant..
The
panel
recommended
that
all
3
allegations
be
exonerated,
and
the
department
also
determined
that
the
3
allegations
were
exonerated.
H
H
Sherry
daun:
rule,
one.
compliance
with
values,
rules
and
general
orders.
general
order,
305.
field,
interviews,,
pat
downs
and
consent.
searches,
questioned
and
or
detained
the
complainant,
rule.
one.
compliance
with
values,
rules,
and
general
orders.
305.
field,
interviews,,
pat
downs
and
consent,
searches.
search
the
complainants
wallet
and
the
panel
recommended
exonerated,
and
the
department
determined
that
the
allegations
were
exonerated
also.
H
Sherry
daun:
in
addition,
the
panel
recommended
that
the
boulder
police
department
should
train
its
officers
when
requesting
private
security
footage
to
obtain
a
broad
timespan
rather
than
a
narrow
one,
enabling
bolter
police
department
members
to
make
identification
decisions
rather
than
relying
on
private
security.
Personnel.
H
Sherry
daun:,
they
also
recommended
the
panel
also
recommended
that
the
boulder
police
department
should
contact
the
security
official
and
inform
him
of
the
error
he
made,
and
the
response
from
the
department
was
that
the
boulder
police
department
has
no
legal
authority
to
advise
private
sector
employees
to
be
thorough
in
reviewing
video..
Although
the
credit
union's
management
and
security
team
were
made
aware
of
this
error,
and
provided
the
correct
footage
clearing
the
complainant.
H
H
Sherry
daun:
misconduct,
investigation,
mi.,
2023,,
0,
1
6
is
summarized
by
a
driver
called
9,
1
one
to
complain
about
an
officer's
on
duty
driving..
The
driver
subsequently
specified
that
officer.
one
sped,
cut
around
cars,
brake
checked
the
driver
slammed
on
his
brakes
at
a
red
light
and
had
to
back
up,
drove
extremely
slowly,
and
did
not
properly
use
his
blinkers.
H
H
H
H
H
Sherry
daun:
police
stopped
the
bicyclist
and
officer.
one
interviewed
him..
The
bicyclist
said
he
took
the
phone
when
the
9,
1
one
caller,
and
a
second
man
confronted
each
other,,
the
caller
holding
a
stun
gun
as
described,
and
the
second
man
holding
a
knife,
because
the
bicyclist
did
not
want
to
be
recorded.
officer,
one
did
not
make
an
arrest..
The
case
was
still
open.
a
month
after
the
complaint
was
filed.
H
Sherry
daun:
compliance
with
values,
rules
and
general
orders.
general
order,
203.
investigative
responsibility
and
case
assignments
did
not
conduct
inadequate
investigation..
The
independent
police
monitor
recommended
that
this
allegation
against
officer
one
be
exonerated,
and
the
department
also
determined
that
the
allegation
against
officer
one
should
be
exonerated.
H
Sherry
daun:,
a
mall,
complex
security
guard
called
9
1,
one
regarding
an
unhoused
man
who
would
not
leave
the
guard,
wanted
the
individual
sighted
for
trespass
officers.
one
and
2,
responded.
the
mall
building
and
walkways
had
no
trespass
signs..
The
officers
found
the
man
told
him
why
they
were
there,
and
officer.
One
asked
him
to
leave
with
his
possessions
and
move
on..
The
man
started
to
gather
his
belongings,
readying
to
leave..
The
officers
then
spoke
to
the
security
guard.
H
Sherry
daun:,
as
the
officers
walked
to
their
vehicles,,
a
woman,
approached
them
and
questioned
the
officers
about
ordering
the
man
to
leave..
They
explained
that
the
mall
was
private
property..
The
woman
asked
for
their
names.
officer,
one
initially
pointed
to
her
name
plate.
When
the
woman
said
she
couldn't
read
the
nameplate
officer.
one
stated
her
name
and
badge
number..
When
officer
one
walked
to
her
car..
The
woman
spoke
with
officer
2
officer
2
tried
to
focus
the
conversation
on
the
right
of
the
private
property
owner
to
ask
someone
to
leave.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
Sherry
daun:
but
officer
2
would
not
allow
the
man
to
close
the
door..
She
stuck
her
foot
in
the
door.
jam
officer,
one
told
the
man
he
could
not
close
the
door..
Eventually
the
man
opened
the
door
and
told
the
officers
they
could
enter.
the
man's
girlfriend
and
their
child
were
in
the
downstairs
room..
The
2
had
argued.
He
was
drunk,
screamed
through
stuff,
and
every.
H
H
H
Sherry
daun:
the
allegations
served
against
officer,
one
are
rule
one.
compliance
with
values,
rules,
and
general
orders.
general
order.,
1.
30
criminal
process
entered
an
individual's
home..
The
independent
police
monitor
recommended
that
this
allegation
be
exonerated,,
and
the
department
also
determined
that
this
allegation
be
exonerated.
H
H
D
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
we
are
charged
with
reporting
these
completed
cases
at
this,
our
regular
meeting,,
and
so
we
asked
the
independent
monitor
to
do
that
for
us.
and
so
at
this
meeting..
That's
where
the
independent
monitor
determines
which
details
of
these
cases
can
be
discussed
and
released
with
the
public.
and
so
any
information
that
was
not
in
these
case
reviews,
panelists
are
s,
that
is
still
confidential
information
bound
by
our
confidentiality
agreement..
So
just
keep
that
in
mind.
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
excuse
me,.
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
that
we
have
been
working
with
with
flo
of
oir
group
and
we'll
be
working
with
sherry
on
this
as
well
to
develop
a
tracking
document
of
all
of
our
policy.
Recommendations,
requests
for
more
information
from
the
police
department,
so
that
we
can
keep
on
track
on
on
top
of
those
and
make
sure
we're
we're
getting
responses
where
we
need
them
and
getting.
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
getting
to
review
the
policies
that
we
suggest
should
should
be
altered
or
updated,
and
so
we
hope
to
get
that
public
soon..
But,
of
course
it's
a
big
project,
right?,
there's
a
lot.
we've.
We've
made
a
lot
of
recommendations
in
the
last
3
years
and
flow..
I
saw
you
just
popped
on.
P
P
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
thank
you,,
I
appreciate
that.
yeah.,
daniel
leonard
(he/him):
and
so
to
also,.
Just
to
finish,
this
up
is
to
remind
panelists..
This
is
also
our
opportunity.
under
the
current
ordinance
to
include
any
comments
on
the
handling
of
complaints,,
the
fairness,
thoroughness
of
investigation,
and
the
reasonable
adjudication..
So
this
is
our
opportunity
to
offer
those
thoughts
on
any
of
the
complaints
that
sherry
just
complaints
and
cases.
D
I
C
D
O
I
A
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
the
from
the
work
group
to
the
ordinance..
It's
a
lot
and
I
wanna
kind
of
set
the
stage
and
prepare
you
for
the
presentation.
obviously,.
This
is
gonna,
be
I
sent
you
guys
the
email
earlier
today,,
I'm
making
the
assumption.
you
haven't,
had
a
chance
to
really
come
through
it..
So
my
slide
deck
is
primarily
the
language
that
is
proposed.
and
what?.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):.
Why
I'm
taking
this
approach
is
because
I'm
making
the
assumption.
it's
the
first
time
you
see
it..
I
want
you
to
see
the
language
as
written,,
so
I
didn't
necessarily
want
to
paraphrase
it
in
the
slide
deck..
I
wanted
you
guys
to
see
what
we're
actually
proposing.,
I'm
not
going
to
read
it
to
you,,
but
I
will
give
you
kind
of
a
general
summary
of
what
the
theme
and
the
intent
is.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
through
of
the
language
that
you're
gonna,
be
reading
on
the
slides
and
then
hopefully,
I
can
get
through
it
in
about
20
min,,
maybe
25,
and
then
have
an
open
conversation
about
it..
You
know,
answering
whatever
questions
you
may
have
in
documenting
your
questions,,
because
I
do
wanna
include
them
in
what
I
submit
to
counsel
on
september,
20
eighth..
So
that's
really
kinda
to
give
you
a
precursor
about
what
we
are
embarking
upon
for
the
next.
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
with
our
agenda.
today,,
we're
gonna
start
out
with
a
timeline
of
just
basically
how
we
got
here.
we're
gonna
talk
about
the
police
oversight,
ordinance
workgroup
go
through
the
proposed
changes..
There
are
a
lot
of
proposed
changes,,
but
I
tried
to
focus
on
what
I
would
consider
the
most
most
important
to.
The
group.-.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
talk
about
next
steps
and
then
end
with
just
an
open
discussion
about.
You
know:
your,
your
just
your
initial
feedback,
initial
thoughts.,
but
I
know
you're
gonna
have
to
sit
back,
read
it,
go
through
the
draft.,
but
you
know,.
Having
that
open
conversation
today
will
be
really
helpful.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
so
I
was
brought
on
in
february
by
the
city
to
primarily
help
with
the
revisions
to
the
ordinance.
also
help
with
the
police,,
the
independent
police
monitor,
search,
and
then
some
other
tasks..
So
it's
it
feels
good,
as
in
the
kind
of
the
outsider
being
brought
in
that
it's
all
kind
of
culminating
around
the
same
time..
I
don't
know
if
that
was
intentional,,
but
I'm
glad
that
it
it
it's
working
out
that
way.
and
I
spent.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
pretty
much
march
in
april,
meeting
one
on
one
with
panel
members,
council,
members,
community
members.
the
task
force
that
was
initially
put
together
to
draft
the
ordinance
former
council
members..
I
spent
the
those
first
2
months
talking
up
to
a
lot
of
people.
Individuals
in
the
police,
department,
the
police
union.
just.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
a
vast
array
of
stakeholders
to
really
get
an
idea.
Of..
You
know
the
landscape
of
boulder,,
the
landscape,
of
how
police
oversight
was
brought
to
boulder,
and
then
also
like
how
it's
been
the
last,
you
know,
2
and
a
half
years
right?,
and
that
was
super
helpful.
To
just
give
me
a
fundamental
foundation
and
understanding
of.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
panel
meeting
about
the
makeup
and
the
makeup
turned
out
to
be
fantastic,
with
2
current
panel
members,,
one
who
had
been
on
the
panel
for
a
while,
and
one
newer,,
and
I
think
those
those
perspectives
really
brought
great
insight
to
the
workgroup..
We
had
a
former
panel
member,
represented
from
central
amestad,,
the
naacp,
the
city.
Q
Farah
muscadin,
(she/her):
and
say,
for
2
h,,
and
we
really
kind
of
rolled
up
our
sleeves..
We
had
really
thoughtful
conversations
and
some
debates
about
you,
know,
various
areas
and
really
came
together..
Our
last
few
meetings..
We
we
went
through
the
draft,,
basically
page
by
page,
line
by
line,
to
make
sure
it
incorporated
all
the
things
that
we
thought
needed
to
be
changed
or
added
to
the
proposed
changes.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
so
this
is
just
a
quick
overview
of
the
changes,,
because
one
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
make
clear
to
everybody.
there's
such
significant
change
that
it
did
not
make
sense
to
necessarily
do
a
red
line
of
the
current
ordinance..
So
we're
proposing
to
do
a
repeal
and
replace.
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
you
see
on
my
left.
what
was
specifically
changes,
the
selection
and
removal
process
of
the
panel
members..
This
is
completely
different
proposed
than
what
is
in
the
current
current.
ordinance..
The
other
other
change
is
you.
in
the
current
ordinance..
There
is
a
couple
of
sections
about
the
panel,
evaluating
the
monitor
or
the
work
of
the
office..
That
was
that
that
has
been
removed
from
the
current
draft.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
there
was
farah
muscadin,
(she/her):
diversity
of
understanding
and
perception
about
the
role
of
the
panel
and
what
they
do.
and
so
establishing
a
purpose.
Statement,
right
in
the
beginning
of
the
draft,
really
sets
the
stage
in
the
foundation
about
what
civilian
oversight
is
and
its
role
and
its
purpose
in
boulder.
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
we
gave
clear
authority..
This
is
something
that
I
heard
feedback
from
the
community
about
making
it
clear,,
particularly
around
the
panel's
ability
to
make
policy
recommendations..
I
think
the
panel
has
always
been
able
to
do
that,
and
the
panel
has
done
that.,
but
there
was
clear
recommendation
from
community
members
about
making
that
clearer.
and
we
did
that.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
we
added
some
specificity
about
training..
We
added
a
section
about
obligations
of
the
chief
of
police.
and
also
looking
at
reviewing
the
whole
totality
of
the
civilian
oversight.
System.
after,,
you
know,
5
years
to
review
it.
and
then
also
we
address
outside
council,,
which
many
of
you
know
has
been
a
topic.
That's
come
up
pretty
consistently
through
community
conversations.
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
managing
expectations,,
particularly
with
community..
A
lot
of
times.
community,
thinks
that
the
oversight
entity
can
do
more
than
it
can,
or
the
role
is
different
than
what
it
is.,
and
so
I
felt
it
was
really
important
to
be
clear
about
what
the
role
is,,
what
the
scope,
is,
and.
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
and
one
of
the
changes..
Obviously
we
kept
it
at
11
members,,
but
we
made
it
very
clear
that
2
of
the
11
positions
are
for
students
currently
enrolled
in
the
institution
of
higher
education..
It
is
unclear
in
the
current
ordinance,
and
we
made
it
very,
very
clear
in
this
draft.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
and
so
just
talking
more
broadly
that
we
are
recommending
that
the
city
manager
obviously
exceed
community
input
in
terms
of
the
selection
process..
It
needs
to
be..
There
needs
to
be
a
public
awareness
campaign,
not
only
about
the
vacancies
and
the
opportunity
to
serve,,
but
also
what
the
role
and
the
responsibilities
of
the
panel
are
and
then
essentially
forming
an
advisory
committee.,
and
there
is
specificity
within
the
draft
language
about.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
the
types
of
community
members
that
we
would
want
the
city
manager
to
seek
out
to
participate
in
the
advisory
committee.
and
in
particularly
having
the
lens
of
those
most
particular,,
most
disproportionately,
negatively
impacted
by
law
enforcement
and
seeking
those
out
for
the
representation
in
the
appointment.
Process.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
also,,
we
felt
it
was
important
to
include
current
and
former
panel
members
and
the
monitor..
That
is
a
change
in
this
process..
You
know,
just
from
my
experience
as
someone
who
created
a
system,
facilitated
a
system
and
got
it
from
a
to
z,
like,.
I
literally
built
the
system.
being.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
ii
thought
that
was
a
gap
in
the
current
ordinance
that
the
monitor
wasn't
involved,,
because
that
that
is
the
link
and
an
opportunity
to
establish
relationship
and
a
rapport.
that
I
that
I
felt
was
missing..
So
we
added
that.
The
other
thing
that
you
should
be
aware
of
is
that
we
felt
that
those
participating
in
the
appointment
process
on
the
advisory
committee.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
and
then
we
added
some
additional
qualifications
in
terms
of
valuing
equity,,
diversity,,
diversity,
and
inclusion.
understanding.
you
know,
experience
or
understanding,
conflict,,
resolution,
and
mediation.,
and
then
we
also
wanted
to
make
it
clear
that
you're
not
required
to
be
a
us.
citizen,
to
serve
on
the
panel.
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
6,
6
years.,
so
3,
I
think
it's
3
and
3,
or
maybe
4
and
2,
or
the
option.
And
so
what
we
are
proposing
is
to
have
a
max
of
a
4
year
term,.
So
it
would
be
3
and
one
or
2
and
2,
and
that
they
would
be
staggered,
and
then
for
the
students.
It
would
be
a
one
year
term
with
a
max
of
2
years.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
then,
on
the
other
side
of
the
screen,,
you
will
see
what
we
are
proposing
as
annual
training,
and
that's
participation
in
at
least
one
4
h.
ride
along,
or
a
2,
h,
walk-along
and
additional
training
on
these
various
areas..
But
it's
not
obviously
limited
to..
But
these
are
some
topics
that
we
thought
are
important
and
relevant
to
service
on
a
police
oversight
panel,,
and
then
we
also
wanted
to
broaden
the
scope
of
who
can
provide
the
the
to
training.
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):.
This
is
a
new
section
proposed
section,
and
it's
essentially
creating
and
setting
the
framework
for
the
interrelationship
between
the
monitor
and
the
panel,,
and
the
first
bullet
is
probably
what's
most
important
is
really
setting
them
as
separate
entities,
but
complementary,
and
so
obviously
that
they're
separate,,
but
working
in
the
same
accord
and
obviously
working
in
in.
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin,
(she/her):
and
obviously,,
I
think
most
of
you
should
know,
or
have
known
or
heard
us
talk
about,
having
the
monitor
serve
as
liaison
to
the
panel,
and
not
necessarily
a
nonviolent
member.
and
obviously
will
be
a
subject
matter
expert.,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
case
review
and
policies
of
the
police
department,.
And
this
this
the
last
bullet,
is
a
change..
The
current
ordinance
says
that
the
panel
will.
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
by
phone
or
by
letter,,
to
talk
about
the
status
of
their
complaint,
or
to
give
them,,
send
them
an
update
about
what
the
result
of
their
complaint
is,.
That
is
something
that
is
generally
handled
by
the
staff
and
not
the
volunteers..
So
we
did
change
that
and
then
added,.
I
believe
this
is
a
current
practice
where
we
wanted
to
put
in
the
ordinance
that
any
communication.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
so
this
this
is
like
another
big
change,
and
iii.
Think
I'm
sounding
like
a
broken
record,,
because
I'm
saying
everything
is
a
big
change.,
but
this
is
a
big
change.
in
that
we
made
it
very
clear
in
terms
of
the
different
areas
of
panel
recommendations..
So
you
will
see
one
section
that
specifically
relates
to
disposition.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
obviously,
having
input
in
terms
of
those
policies
that
reflect
community
values
and
then,
in
terms
of,.
You
know,,
improving,
professionalism,,
safe
safety,
record,,
effectiveness,
and
accountability
of
the
police,
department,
and
then,
obviously,
that
the
panel
can
make
recommendations
to
the
chief
of
police,,
the
city
manager
and
city
council
has
appropriate,
so
that
I
mean
we
are
making
that
very
crystal
clear
in
this
draft.
Q
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
so
this
particular
change
removes
that
requirement..
It
says
automatically
on
a
critical
incident.
and
I
put
the
definition
of
critical
incident..
This
is
taken
from
the
police,
department,
general
order
to
be
consistent
with
that.,
but
then
we
also
added
language
about
serious
bodily
injury,
because
like.
for
example,,
if
there's
a
use
of
taser,
and
someone
may
have,
like.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
in
conversations
that
I've
had
with
several
stakeholders:
about.
well,.
What
happens
when
there's
a
disagreement
on
discipline?
well,,
first,
historically,.
You
all
know
that
it's
rare,,
but
it
happens,.
But
when
it
happens,
it's
generally
on,
you
know,
a
serious
case,
or,,
you
know,,
a
big
case.
and
so
essentially,.
What
we
came
up
with
was
creating
an
after
action.
Meeting.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
and
farah
muscadin
(she/her):
essentially,
at
the
request
of
the
panel
or
the
chief,,
a
meeting
can
be
requested.
and
this
is
potentially,.
This
is
in
in
the
context
of
when
there
is
potential
serious
discipline..
So
an
officer's
con
is
looking
at
a
transfer,,
devotion,,
suspension,
or
termination.
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
equality
in
these
meetings.,
and
then
we
specifically
delineated
the
purpose.
with
this
meeting,.
What
can
be
discussed?
and
the
the
timeframe
of
this
meeting?,
and
so
this
was
specifically
to
address
those
instances
where
there's
a
disagreement
on
discipline,
and
how
they
can
be
addressed,
going
forward.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
obligations
as
the
chief.,
so
we
wanted
to
make
it
clear
to
hear
again
that
the
chief
of
police
can
appoint
a
liaison,
so
changing
it
from
a
non
voting
member
to
a
liaison,
and
them
having
the
ability
to
provide
their
expertise,
particularly
on
training
and
policies
of
the
police.
Department.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
additional
changes..
We
added
a
section
about
the
evaluation
on
every
5
years
of
the
entire
civilian
police
oversight
system..
So
obviously,
we're
looking
at
the
monitor
side
and
the
panel
side.,
and
this
is
good
to
just
see,,
you
know,,
to
assess
the
effectiveness,
to
see
what
changes
potentially
may
need
to
be
made.
and
also
just,.
You
know,
to.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
one
of
the
things
that
we
farah
muscadin
(she/her):
talk
to,
dot,
and
you
will
see
it
in
the
section
of
panel
terms,
vacancies
alternates
and
were
removal..
I
want
to
talk
about
a
couple
of
things,
one
with
alternates,,
because
I
was
brought
up,.
I
believe,
by
victor
early
in
the
conversation.
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):.
What
do
you
call
it?,
the
picking
of
the
numbers
that
discretion
in
terms
of
the
alternates
cause?
They
will
already
be
potentially
appointed
by
the
city
manager.,
and
so
they
will
be
in
a
pool
waiting
for
a
vacancy
to
occur..
So
when
a
vacancy
occur,
giving
that
discretion
to
the
monitor
to
be
able
to
make
that
recommendation
to
the
city
manager.
that
this
alternate
should
be,.
You
know,
put
in
this
new
vacancy.
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
and
so
this
is
important
to
you
as
panel
members.,
because
this
is
another,
a
big
change.,
where
this
is
not
included
at
all,,
but
essentially
unexcused
absence
of
3
consecutive
panel
meetings.-
and
this
is
consistent
with
this-
is
the
exact
same
language
that
is,
in
all
boards
and
commissions.
their
ordinances..
That
would
be.
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
I
just
wanna,
highlight
for
you.,
I'm
sure
you'll
see
it
when
you
need
it,
but
since
we
had
an
additional
time,
I
wanted
to
highlight
that
and
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
highlight
particularly.
I
think
of
chico.
here
in
the
legacy
committee,
we
made
some
very
clear
changes
in
the
panel
data
analysis,
review,
and
reporting
in
terms
of.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
what
the
panel
can
review.
and
it
all,.
We
added
language
about
like
reports
that
the
police
department
puts
out
that
the
panel
can
review
those
and
provide,
you
know,
feedback
or
input
on
those,
so
that
is
specifically,.
You
know,
tied
to
the
work
that
the
legacy
committee.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
will
be,
will
be
doing.,
farah,
muscadin
(she/her):,
so
that
is
pretty
high
level,
high
level
summary
of
the
changes..
Obviously
you
are
going
to
want
to
read
it
and
have
additional
questions.
but
again,
in
terms
of
next
steps..
We
have
our
first
community
event
to
get
feedback.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
and
this
is
virtual..
We
talked
about
trying
to
provide
opportunities
to
get
more
feedback,,
so
we
thought
2
events
would
be
better,,
one
virtual
one
in
person.,
so
monday,
september
eighteenth,
will
be
our
virtual
session..
This
will
be
more
of
kind
of
an
open
forum
for
people
to
give
us
their
feedback.
Q
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):.
All
of
this
come
unbind
with
some
other
things.
That
council
have
asked
me
to
do.
council
has
asked
me
to
do
a
comparative
analysis
with
some
other
cities.
council
has
asked
me
to
look
at
the
panels,
names,
and
what?
what?
review
panels
are
called
across
the
country.,
so
I'll
be
doing
that
and
submitting
all
of
that.
on
september
20
eighth..
Then
we
are
aiming
for
first
reading
on
october
fifth,
and
second
reading,,
and
I
should
have
added
this.
it's
second
reading
and
public
hearing
on
october
nineteenth.
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
the
schedule
for
our
subcommittees.,
but
if
there
were
their
meetings
coming
up.,
I'm
happy
to
attend
those
meetings
and
talk
about
the
specific
language
in
those
meetings
as
well
as
opportunities..
I
think
we
already
had
community
engagement,,
but
we
may
have
legacy
and
governance
scheduled
coming
up.
again.,
I
don't
know
when
they
are,,
but
I'm
happy
to
attend
those
meetings
to
continue
on
these
conversations.
about
the
draft.
ordinance.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
changes.,
farah,
muscadin
(she/her):,
so
with
that.
daniel,.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
to
present.
and
ii
am
just
really
excited
for
your
feedback,
and
to
see
what
you
guys
think
I
like,
I
really
am
excited.
oh,
well,.
Let
me
first
also
think
lastly,
thank
solid
and
hadassa.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
if
they
didn't
like
it,,
they
told
me,
and
they
said,
there,,
go
back,
try
again.
and
I
did,
and
their
fingerprints
and
thoughts
and
sweat
and
tears,
and
everything
is
in
this
document..
And
you
know
there
are
things
where
I
can
go.
that's
solid
sentence..
You
know
what
I
mean.
like,,
they
really
provided
great
input.
Participated,
came
prepared
and
really
really
represented.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
the
interest
of
the
panel
and
the
community
so
well.,
and
it
was
so
pleasant,
such
a
pleasant,,
wonderful
experience,
working
with
them
and
the
other
community
members.
ii
expected
it
to
be
a
little
bit
bumpy.
When
I
did
this
before.,
it
was
bumpy.
and
nothing
that
this
wasn't
bumpy,,
but
like
we,,
you
know,,
we
had
our
moments,,
but
we
came
together.
and
I
really
feel
like
the
work
group
should
be
really
proud
of
this
draft
and.
D
D
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
and
so
to
to
run
this
I'm
thinking
to
to
get
as
much
feedback
as
we
can
from
as
many
of
us
as
we
can.
we'll
go
ahead,
and
do
this
one
serving
at
a
time
so
that
we
can
each.
we'll
do
one
round
of
questions
or
feedback
that
we
wanna
give
farah.
and
then,.
Once
everyone
is
at
the
opportunity
to
have
their.
D
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
and
so
with
that
I
will
go
ahead..
If
it's
okay
with
you,
farah,,
I
will
go
ahead
and
facilitate
if
you
all.
wanna,
raise
your
hands
as
you
have
questions,,
we'll
just
go:
go
down
the
list,
and
then,
once
everyone's
had
their
opportunity,,
we'll
circle
back
for
anyone
who
has
it?,
second
or
second
questions..
So.
I
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin,
(she/her):
review,,
particularly
of
officer
involved
shootings,,
is
a
very
long
process..
The
reason
why
it's
a
very
long
process
is
because
there's
generally
a
criminal
investigation,
and
that
always
proceeds.
it
always
precedes
the
administrative..
So
essentially
in
my
experience.,
sometimes.
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
and
so
we
still
have
to
figure
that
part
out..
Our
main
focus
was
just
putting
it
the
authority
in
the
ordinance.
first
and
foremost,,
because
right
now
you
kind
of
don't
have
the
authority,.
So
we
wanted
to
just
make
it
very
clear.
You
have
the
authority.
but
to
be
very
honest
and
transparent,
with
you,
chico..
We
have
to
figure
out
what
the
process
is
gonna
be.
and
we
also
have
to
manage
expectations
about
the
process,
because
it's
not
gonna
be
immediate.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
so
it's
not
like.
I
use
the
example
of
the.
I
think
there
was
a
june
officer
involved.
Shooting..
It's
not
like
the
panel
would
be
able
to
review
it
in
september..
It
would..
It's
gonna,
be
probably
a
significant
time
after
that
that
the
panel
would
be
able
to
review
it.
and
and
in
my
eyes..
What
I
would
like
to
see
is
a
review.
That's
probably
no
different
than
how
you
do
case
review..
So
you
would
be
able
to
see
the
videos.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
you
would
be
able
to
see..
You
won't
be
able
to
see
anything
from
the
criminal
side,
but
you'd
be
able
to
see
you
know:
what?
pc,,
I
wanna
call
it
ia
professional
standards,
unit,
review.,
so
that
those
documents.
and
so
fundamentally,.
We
still
have
to
create
that
process.
D
D
D
Q
F
F
O
O
Jason
savela
he/him:
it
it
was,
he
wrote,
extended
applause.,
so
ii,
always
love
that..
I
always
thought
of
it.
and
I
just
wanna
say
extended
to
applause..
Thank
you
very
much
for
doing
this
very
difficult
work,
and
I'm
so
pleased
I'd.
I'd,
echo,
victor,
and
saying,
ii
hope
that
the
council
takes
us
as
a
whole.
O
D
D
D
D
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
in
a
subsection,,
it
says
the
city
manager
and
the
man
that
the
monitor
shall
provide
the
panel
members
with
additional
training,,
which
may
include
but
not
limited
to.,
and
we
list
that
out..
So
I
think
we
didn't.
we
wanted
to
list
topics,,
but
we
didn't..
You
know
what
I
mean?
like,.
You
can't
put
everything
in
there
right?
so
for
me,.
I
think
that
that
allows
for
that.
we'll
go
room
for
the
monitor
to.
Q
D
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
okay.,
I
might
follow
up
with
you
just
to
make
that
I
mean
this..
This
was
this
has
been
a
huge
problem.,
so
to
make
sure
that
is
something
the
monitor,
understands.
yeah.
and
with
the
monitor
the
room,
hi,,
sherry,
so
that
the
monitor
helps.
cherry
understands
that,.
You
know
when
the
panel
makes
a
request
that
that
train
has
to
be
provided.
D
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
so,
for
example,.
If
you
see
the
the,,
the
the
top
section,
which
is
required
training
for
the
panel
members
before
they
could
take
a
vote
that
includes
legal
and
ethical
applicate..
You
know
what
I
mean.:
that's
the
legal
training
you're
talking
about.,
so,
like
panel
members
have
to
take
better,
else.
They
can't
take
a
vote.
about
police
department
policies
and
training.
the
privacy
stuff.
Q
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
curriculum
per
se.,
if
the
monitor
isn't
bound
to
respond
to
the
panel's
requests.
Like
that's,
that's
been,,
you
know,.
We
never
got
that
training
on
arbitration..
We
never
got
that
specific
link.
Legal
training,
we'd
asked
for.
that
was
pretty
critical
to
our
work.
and
so
that's
kind
of
that's.
The
challenge
is
giving
the
panel
the
power
to
make
sure
it
gets
the
trainings
it
deems
necessary
to
conduct
its
work.
Q
I
D
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
because,
in
in
addition
to
this
draft,
also
puts
the
responsibility
on
the
city
manager.
so
like
in
my
mind,.
It
makes
it
even
un,
less
unlike,
less
likely
that
the
monitor
won't
provide
this,,
because
then
it's
now
put
on
the
city
manager
to
provide
it,,
because
the
language
specifically
says
city
manager
and
monitor.
D
D
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
yeah,.
I
think
we're
all
on
the
same
page
about
that
about
training..
So
this
for
me,,
if
it
needs
a
tweak,,
is
a
minor
tweak,,
because,,
essentially
like,.
We
want
panel
members
to
have
the
tools
that
they
need
to
do
the
job.
and
so
there's
probably
gonna,
be
0
push
back..
You
know
what
I
mean
on
this.,
but
it
might
just
be
like
a
minor
minor
tweak
to
make
it
clear.,
because
we
really
wanted
to
make
sure.
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
she
came
on
right,
like
we
want
them
to
come
on
and
have
the
tools
and
feel
supported
and
and
really
feel
like.
They
are
in
a
position
to
make
decisions
on
votes
at
their
first
meeting.
right?,
and
so
this
is
I.
I'm
just
sharing
that
as
the
context
of
why
we
put
that
in
there,
and
why
it's
so
kind
of
explicit.
Q
G
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
it
was
impressed
upon
us
that
we
would
be
educ.,
we
would
be
training
each
other.,
and
so
it
is.
it
really.
It
is
really
helpful
that
to
have
that
flushed
out.,
but
then
also
to
maintain
that
power,,
that
if,
if
there's
something
we
need
to
learn,
we?,
we
can.
we
have
access
to
it.
yeah.
L
L
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
it
like.
If
someone
needs
more
time
or
didn't
complain
like
the
city
manager,
can
it
says,
may
excuse
or
grant
an
extension
to
a
panel
member
for
completion
of
the
training.,
so
we
left.,
you
know
what
I
mean
that
as
cause
life
happens
right
like..
So
we
left
that
we
put
that
in
there..
So
that,
you
know,,
for
if
there
was
something
that
happened,
that
it
didn't.
it
didn't
cause
a
negative
impact
to
for
that
panel
number.
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
away
from
be
to
a
liaison
away
from
being
a
member
of
the
panel.
part
of
that
also
has
to
overlap
with
the
open
meetings.
law,
we've
talked
about
this
before.,
and
so
as
a
co.
chair
representing
that
viewpoint
that
that
ca,
that's
been
prohibitive
in
some
instances
where
the
co-chairs
needed
to
have
an
an
urgent
meeting
or
a
private
meeting,
with
the
monitor
to
effectively
conduct
our
business.
now,
at
the
same
time,
I
as
a
member
of
governance,,
I
want
to.
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
remind
you
that
one
of
the
things
will
be
coming
up
if
this
ordinance
is
approved.
is
an
amendment
to
our
bylaws
about
the
cochairs,
disclosing
those
meetings
to
the
panel.,
and
so
we
wanna
maintain
transparency
in
that
process,
while
also
gaining
that
ability
to
have
urgent,
emergent
meetings
with
sherry.
or,.
You
know,
with
the
monitor
but
then
also
maintaining,
transparency
with
y'all,
and,
and
that
goes
across
the
board
that
anytime,
the
cochairs.
D
F
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
so
we
probably
have
to
re
like
ii,
would
wanna
know
specifically
what
they
don't
like
right?
and
see.
If
I
can
address
address
those.
and
I
and
I
made
a
commitment
to
the
work
group
that
if,,
like
things,
went
left,
we're
coming
back
right,
and
everybody
was
open
to
coming
back,.
So
I
would
probably
get
get
specifically
what.
Q
Q
Q
D
D
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
this
is
this
is
our
big
opportunity
to
make
sure
fara
and
the
working
group
have
done
so
much
work
on
this.,
and
so
I
think
a
big
component
of
this
now
is
the
rest
of
us
now,,
taking
this
over
the
finish
line.,
to
make
sure
anything
lingering
that
that
we
wanna
address
to
make
sure
that
happens,
and
that
with
no
qualms.
we
go
out
in
the
community
and
make
sure
the
city
council
knows
we
want
this
past.
D
Q
Q
D
D
H
D
L
L
L
L
L
L
N
N
N
N
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
then
the
selection
process
will
be
the
new
selection
process,
that's
approved
on
the
nineteenth..
It
will
not
be
the
the
old
process
so
essentially..
If,
if
it's
approved
as
is,,
it
will
then
go
to
the
city
manager,
who
will
create
an
advisory
committee
and
boom!
boom!
boom!.
And
then
you
know
that
that
that
will
take
that
route
now
more
in
the
weeds.
Q
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
a
very
specific,,
probably
more
detailed
training..
I
don't
know
if
I'll
do
it..
I
think
you
requested
legal
to
do
it.
on
the
the
the
nuances,
and
the
details
of
of
the
ordinance
so
sharing,.
I
will
probably,
in
anticipation
of
that,
organize
that
I
imagine
it'll
probably
be
sometime
in
november,,
so
we
do
it
like
within
30
days
of
approval.,
so
that
that'll
be
something..
It's
not
in
the
works
now,,
but
it
will
be
cause.
We
just
have
to
get
over
this.
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
but
we're
you
know.,
you've
told
us
at
least
2
or
3
times,,
and
now
I've
heard
you
and
we
are.
gonna.
You
know
what
I
mean.
we're
good.
we're.
Definitely
gonna
do
it.
it's
on
the
list
of
things
to
do
for
sure.,
so
that
you
feel
again..
This
is
really
more
about
support
and
feeling,
like
you,
are
in
a
position
of
having
the
tools
that
you
need
to
do
this
job..
That
is
very
difficult.,
so
we
will
definitely
do
that.
D
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
our
full
business.,
daniel
leonard
(he/him):
and,
and
I
should
say
our
full
responsibility
and
accountability
to
the
public
resumes
and
that's
important
for
any
committee
chairs
holding
your
committee
meetings
after
that.,
but
before
our
general
meeting,,
your
work,
resumes
october,
20,
first,
and
so,.
Wherever
the
the
new
ordinance
passing
happens
as
well,.
We
need
to
keep
an
eye
on
that.
you
know,.
We
may
resume
work
before
the
new
ordinance
goes
into
effect.,
and
so
it's
just
to
keep
an
eye
on.
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
on
those
things,,
and
if
you
have
questions,
concerns,
of
course,,
you
know,
reach
out
to
me
or
dasa
at
any
time.
reach
out
to
sherry
any
time.
aaron,.
Our
city
attorney,,
is
also
always
available
to
but
yeah,
to
reiterate..
I
I've
been
insistent.
thank
you,,
farah
and
sherry
for
putting
up
with
me
about
this
legal
training..
We
want
to
do
a
full
in
depth.
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
re
legal
training
on
the
ordinance,,
especially
now
that
we
have
sherry
on
board,
to
to
be
able
to
engage
directly
with
her
in
a
a
space
where
we
can
ask
those
questions
of
our
legal
counsel
and
the
monitor.
To
make
sure
we
understand
our
our
business
going
forward,.
But
it
will
be
a
little
dance
for.
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):,
for
potentially
a
couple
of
weeks.
there,
where,
where
things
are,
are
one.
things
past.,
something
else
has
happened,,
but
we're
still
moving
along.,
but
you
should.,
you
all,
should
be
keeping
an
eye
on
a
october,
20,,
first
date,
and
keeping
in
mind,
too..
That's
when
we
will
resume
reviewing
cases
and
and
then
would
resume
voting
on
cases
to
to
do
a
full
review.
On.
D
K
K
Mylene
(she/her):
events
for
future
candidates.
however,
ii
did
go
there
after
our
community
events,,
and
several
of
them
said
that
they
would
have
been
there
had
they
not
been
involved
with
that
event
with
the
prolifer..
So
I
think,
because
what
has
happened
recently,
or
this
year,,
you
know,.
It's.
K
Mylene
(she/her):
they're
interested
and
being
more
involved.,
mylene
(she/her):
and
with
elections
coming
as
well.,
I
would,,
I
would
guess
it
might
show.
Up.
ii
also
wanted
to
say
yes
to
more
training.,
I'm
still
looking
forward
to
actual
trainings
in
person,.
If
possible,
and
and
learning
more.,
I
really
feel
the
need
for
that
myself..
I
also
wanna
say
thank
you.
K
K
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):,
we
added,
giving
the
monitor
the
authority
to
review,
to
refer
any
potential
misconduct
of
public
concern
to
the
panel..
That
authority
also
the
authority
to
do
audits,
and
whatever
report.
that
comes
from
the
audit,
would
go
to
the
panel
for
the
panel
to
review
and
provide
feedback.
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
you
know,,
want
to
be
very
open
to
to
the
panel
like
when
you
have
an
opportunity
to
sit
down
and
really
read
it..
If
a
question
comes
up,,
please
write
it.
Down.
don't
lose
the
thought,.
Send
me
an
email,,
because
I
really
want
you
guys
to
feel
comfortable.
Like
I'm
going
to.,
my
contract
will
end.
and
I'll
be,
you
know,
in
dc
chillin.
and
you
guys
will
be
doing
the
work..
So
I
want
you
to
feel
that
you're
comfortable
and
really
well
versed
in
this
ordinance.
Q
Q
Farah
muscadin
(she/her):
because
you
will
be
living
with
this
document,
and
it's
really
important
to
the
commitment
that
you
made
to
serve..
So
for
me,,
it's
really
important
that
you
understand
it
and
feel
confident
and
comfortable
with
it..
So
I
just
wanna
encourage
you
to
reach
out
to
me.
with
any
question.
or
if
you
just
wanna
kind
of
talk
it
through..
I
am
100
available
to
do
that.
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
gosh!,
it's
been
great
working
with
you.
you're,
you're,
pretty,,
you're
incredible.,
and
it's
been..
It's
been
great
working
with
you..
Thank
you
for
all
of
the
work.
You've
done.
and
we'll
see
you
next
week
for
more
cool.
any
other
final
thoughts..
I
we
will
just
double
check,,
really
quick.
with
public
comments.,
so
we'll
oh,,
sherry.
yeah.
H
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
cool
means
so
we'll
we'll
officially
open
it
up
for
public
comment.
and
so
just
a
for
a
a
reminder..
We
hold
public
comment
at
all
of
our
general
monthly
meetings,
even
though
we
don't
hold
always
have
co
public
comment..
During
our
committee
meetings,
members
of
the
public
are
offered
2
unimpeded
minutes
to
comment,,
and
if
there
is
an
interruption
or
loss
of
connection,,
we
will
stop.
D
D
D
D
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
flow.
and,
michael,,
if,
if
we
don't
see
you
again,,
I
just
want
to
officially
thank
the
oir
group
for
all
of
the
work
you've
done
for
us
and
for
staying
on.
when
we
did
our
second
second
go
around
with
finding
a
new
monitor..
I
it
has
just
been.
truly,,
I've
learned
so
much
from
you,
and
it
has
been.
D
Daniel
leonard
(he/him):
and
a
hundred
to
work
with
you
on
this,,
with
your
national
perspective
and
your
incredible
experience.,
I
just
ii,
count
myself
blessed
to
have
gotten
to
work
with
you.
and
just
ii.
Think
the
boulder
community
is
significantly
better
for
your
presence.
over
the
the
last
few
months..
So
thank
you.