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A
We
have
people
who
participate
online,,
we
have
interpretation
services,,
so
we
ask
that
the
candidates
speak
in
a
space
in
answering
their
questions..
I
will
try
to
do
the
same.
We
will
continue
to
agree..
We
already
have
questions
that
were
submitted
in
advance
for
those
who
are
live..
We
have
cards
and
pens.
So
you
can
write
your
questions
or
you
can
raise
your
hand
and
it
will
collect
your
questions
for
those
who
are
in
line.
If
you
can
use
the
q
section
and
questions
and
answers
in
the
online,
we
will
start
with
the
candidates.
A
The
first
question
we
are
going
to
ask
you
to
spend
about
three
minutes
per
question.
If
you
can
apply,
because
you
are
interested
in
the
position
And,
why
are
you
interested
in
being
the
independent
monitor
and
Tania?
If
you
can
answer
First?
Thank
you
good
evening.
Everyone
I
am
Tania.
My
ClarÃn
I
live
in
Dallas
Texas
and
I
am
the
first
monitor
for
the
city
of
Dallas
and
for
the
oversight
panel
we
started
the
office
in
October,
2019
I
was
hired
in
February
2020
and,
a
month
later
we
entered
the
pandemic.
A
A
The
use
of
force
normally
makes
the
police
are
in
the
front
of
the
newspaper.
We
have
worked
with
very
serious
or
serious
cases
also
to
give
them
a
context.
Although
New
Orleans.
It
is
a
smaller
city.
We
have
a
lot
of
popularity
So,
we
have
millions
of
people
passing
through
the
city.
We
have
the
citizens
and
also
We,
have
a
lot
of
visitors
to
the
city
and
give
them
it
is
one
of
the
largest
police
forces
in
the
country.
A
A
Does
it
take
to
work
with
the
department
to
potentially
work
more
closely
in
Dallas,
we
have
35,000
officers,
so
there
are
people
who
don't
know
Who
we
are
so
there
are
staff
who
say:
oh
I,
didn't
know
that
we
have
that
that
position
in
the
context
of
a
city
with
a
smaller
population,
with
less
this
people
of
diverse
backgrounds
and
how
they
are
going
to
deal
with
that.
That
makes
me
very
excited
to
be
able
to
participate
more
with
the
department
with
the
community
to
have
a
real
impact.
A
A
So
you
see
the
police
in
differently.
So
I
was
looking
at
the
impact
of
the
police
on
my
clients
in
we
always
organize
in
justice,
politics
and
the
police
are
part
of
that.
I
had
the
opportunity
to
work
with
different
coalitions,
national
police
organizations
and
what
are
the
worst
things,
and
how
do
we
a
set
of
all
that
criminal
justice
I
always
live?
This
and
I
want
to
work
more
closely
with
the
community
and
the
police
individually.
A
New
York
and
I'm
going
to
try
to
speak
slowly.
It's
a
challenge,
Thank
you
all
who
showed
up
today.
Those
who
are
here
who
took
time
there
are
adolescents
here,
I
think
that
it
is
very
important
that
young
people
participate
in
the
process.
Thank
you
for
those
who
are
participating
online.
It
is
very
important
to
have
that
community
participation
to
become
part
of
the
process.
B
A
A
A
A
It's
a
shame.
We
have
to
refer
to
it
like
this.
It
was
the
first
public
case,
I
can't
breathe,
and
the
officer
who
committed
the
crime
eventually
They
were
brought
to
trial
by
our
unit
That's.
To
talk
about
the
level
of
cases.
I
looked
at
there
and
I
got
out
at
the
end
of
2020
And.
Since
then,
I've
worked
television
and
film
production
development
as
a
research
and
production
manager.
A
I've
worked
on
many
of
these
television
shows
of
investigation.
True
I
investigated
the
case.
I
talked
about
good
work
so
that
they
were
part
of
the
show,
and
then
the
hard
part
is
finding
and
making
a
connection
with
the
victims
me.
Obviously,
if
the
victims
are
dead
because
they
were
killed
against
the
other
victims,
family
friends
me
I
have
participated
in
the
work
that
I
did
before
But.
It
has
been
very
powerful
in
terms
of
learning
a
level
of
empathy
from
talking
with
people.
A
A
A
A
As
Tania
said,
working
in
a
new
place
that
one
can
have
a
direct
impact
instead
of
correcting
things
they
have
had
in
place
for
a
long
time,
I
would
like
to
help
formulate
the
new
process.
Thank
you
one
request
from
the
techies
is
that
you
also
get
closer
to
the
microphone
when
you
speak.
Fat
is
Thank
you
for
that.
A
No
I
can't
hear
myself
Yes.
We
do
hear
it
Hopefully
the
audience
yes,
I,
hear
it
too.
Thank
you
again.
I
am
very
happy
to
see
you
that
you
have
an
interest
in
that
process
when
you
could
be
outside
enjoying
the
beautiful
day.
I
am
Downs.
I
am
going
to
answer
the
question
on
how
I
got
my
first
job.
My
first
day
as
a
lawyer,
I
thought
that
I
was
going
to
be
filling
out
papers.
C
A
Usually
the
defendants
were
young
black
men,
and
that
was
part
of
my
career,
and
the
next
step
was
that
they
hired
me
as
an
investigator
for
the
city
of
Chicago.
Our
careers
are
similar.
I
worked
as
an
investigator
as
a
supervisor
of
bad
conduct
in
investigations.
Now
I
am
director
of
investigations.
I
am
manager
of
the
entry
unit,
I
supervise
16
staff
members.
We
process
five
thousand
cases
annually.
A
We
have
the
determination
between
my
citizens
office
and
also
the
internal
investigation
So.
When
we
have
cases
under
our
jurisdiction,
we
do
the
investigation
preliminary,
but
during
the
course
of
my
position
at
Copa,
I
have
also
worked
on
basically
any
type
of
case
in
which
we
have
jurisdiction.
This
killings.
A
Arrests,
domestic
violence
as
a
supervisor
and
in
those
incidents
we
investigate
incidents
that
members
of
the
police
office
were
committing
domestic
violence
with
their
children.
Family
members
who
were
supposedly
caring
also
one
of
the
things
I
have
done,
is
investigate
the
aspects
from
the
beginning
of
the
case.
To
the
end,
take
citizen
statements
from
the
witness
officers
collecting
evidence.
We
have
direct
access
to
all
the
all.
The
reports
make
assessments
of
evidence,
analyzing
case
laws,
complying
with
regulations,
making
a
final
determination
and
recommending
discipline.
A
A
Response
to
cases
until
completion
of
investigation
I
have
investigated
more
than
100
cases
of
police
officer
shootings,
because
I
want
to
work
in
bold
I
had
time
to
advocate.
For
this
cyclist,
it
is
very
different,
but
polder
from
my
point
of
view
is
always
one
of
the
best
places
to
ride
a
bike.
Bike
also
has
that
magic
image
I
visited
in
2012,
and
it
is
basically
one
of
my
favorite
vacation
destinations.
My
son
also
lives
here
in
and,
as
you
both
have
said,
I
am
going
to
repeat
the
same.
A
Absolutely
the
ability
to
work
in
a
community
that
really
has
is
where
it
is
very
important
that
police
supervision,
where
everything
is
not
fixed,
that
we
can
this
make
a
change,
and
the
community
is
very
thoughtful.
They
have
considered
it
carefully.
I
am
very
grateful
to
be
here.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone
has
their
microphones
are
on.
They
have
a
green
light,
make
sure
you
connect
to
the
microphone.
A
The
next
Question
in
the
last
two
years,
that's
a
community
question.
In
the
last
two
years,
four
members
of
the
monitoring
panel
have
resigned
and
one
resigned
under
protest.
The
Monitor
interviewed
for
another
position
before
accepting
a
position
outside
from
the
State
What.
Is
your
plan
to
rebuild
hope
and
revitalize
the
mission
I
have
tried
to
follow
the
situation.
A
With
the
oversight
panel
in
bolder-
and
it
is
a
situation
that
has
a
lot
of
public
interest,
it
is
a
statement
of
the
importance
of
that
in
bolder
and
I
do
n't
know
if
there
is
a
lack
of
movement
from
my
point
of
view,
But
there
are
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed.
There
is
work
that
is
being
done
to
adapt
the
ordinance
that
authorizes
both
the
supervisory
panel
and
also
the
independent,
monitor.
D
Over
the
last
two
years,
the
police
supervisors
have
resigned
The
previous
Monitor,
who
accepted
an
out
of
state
position.
What
is
your
plan
to
have
a
sense
of
hope
and
revitalize
the
position?
Well
I
will
have
to
elaborate
on
what
my
colleague
said
is
having
to
walk
the
path
that
is
preached
as
many
Many
times.
D
D
The
people
are
always
excited
when
the
board
is
making
the
recommendations
and
they
are
in
the
public
eye
and
when
the
board
feels
that
they
have
what
they
need
to
face
and
to
do
the
oversight
face
in
Walter,
so
they
're
going
to
have
to
really
work
very
closely
with
the
leaders
and
encourage
the
community
to
participate
that
we're
really
listening
to
what's
really
going
on
not
just
outside
of
the
community
but
to
the
community
as
a
whole.
totality.
D
And
how
do
we
do
that
and
how
do
we
ensure
that
each
voice
and
all
voices
are
heard?
It
is
not
about
agreeing
but
Listening
What
is
the
consensus,
but
listening
What
are
the
things
that
are
being
done.
Well,
it
would
be
very
nice
for
the
community
to
hear
things
that
they
are
going
well
and
the
positivity
Thank
you
Cris
Yes.
Thank
you
very
much.
The
way
the
question
was
phrased.
I
get
the
idea.
D
If
you
are
not
familiar
with
what
is
going
on
and
the
context,
it
may
sound
like
chaos
and
like
something
that
is
very
something
very
negative
wanting
to
get
up
and
go.
But
my
experience
is
working
in
New
York,
a
supervision
agency
for
17
years.
Yes,
it
was
total
chaos
and
but
in
this
situation
it's
like
coming
home
and
Well
I
say
it
with
a
wink.
But
it's
strange
for
people,
people
who
can
understand.
D
The
panel
the
monitor
position
are
new
concepts
in
one.
It
is
a
new
office.
We
have
been
here
for
two
years.
It
is
something
very
recent
in
the
government
government
work.
The
important
thing
is
time.
We
have
to
be
patient
and
I
want
you
to
understand
that
the
people
who
have
just
arrived
are
looking
for
new
jobs,
but
sometimes
it
hurts
to
grow
up.
I.
D
We
establish
procedures,,
we
must
take
into
account
that
it
takes
time,
above
all,.
Constant
communication
with
the
public
is
a
difficult
process.
Some
of
you
are
volunteering,
your
time
and
no,
you
may
not
be
seeing
the
results.
You
expect
right
away
when
you
take
a
position
on
the
panel
as
a
community
member
and
you
are
paying
attention
you
may
create
that
we
wanted
this.
We
asked
for
this
As
Mr.
Akinson
said,,
we
got
it,,
but
the
change
we
hope
for,
that
will
take
time,
is
the
nature
of
the
government,.
D
We
have
people
who
have
ideas,
have
new
policies,
and
what
is
missing
is
the
people
who
execute,
and
to
that
I
want
to
commit
myself
to
execute,
earn
the
trust
of
the
community,
follow
through
and
set
expectations
and
do
what
you
say
execute
be
transparent
when
you
hit
a
roadblock,
when
you
make
a
mistake,
admit
it
people
understand
and
move
on.
I
have
worked
with
in
extremely
difficult
circumstances
for
17
years,
Well,
I
left
it
and
now
I
want
to
return
to
this
field,
because
it
is
my
vocation.
D
I
am
applying
for
this
position.
I
have
two
young
teenagers.
I
have
my
family
and
it
is
not
something
I
take
lightly.
If
they
give
me
the
opportunity
to
exercise
this
position
that
I
love
well,
I
will
talk
to
me,
wife,
and
we
are
going
to
plan
to
be
here
for
the
long
term
to
help
people
who
know
that
I
have
committed
myself
in
that
way.
Thank
you,
How.
Do
you
ensure
that
the
concerns
of
historically
excluded
communities
are
heard
and
addressed
Cris?
We
are
going
to
start
with
you
in
this
question.
D
Urania
in
her
last
answer
talked
about
community
involvement
and
it
is
such
an
important
thing.
But
what
does
it
look
like?
There
are
several
ways
for
the
community
to
participate,
not
only
by
posting
on
the
city
website,
with
community
members
and
especially
those
members
who
are
not
participating.
D
A
church,
the
library
recreation
center,
a
mosque
wherever
it
is
to
spend
time
there
be
physically
present
and
be
open
to
hear
what
they
want
to
see.
And,
as
I
said
in
my
previous
answer,
execute
If
you
listen
to
what
they
are
asking
for,
and
you
are
in
a
position
to
do
something
without
making
false
promises
or
false
expectations.
D
C
D
D
We
are
all
like
outsiders,
we
don't
know
people
in
the
community
How,
they
understand
things
and
But.
How
perfect
would
it
be
for
a
police
oversight
panel
to
have
specific
desires
to
hire
underrepresented
people
from
the
community?
Those
are
ways
of
introducing
us
to
the
community
and
being
able
to
meet
people
where
they
are
and
have
discussions
that
might
not
be
obvious
to
people
outside
of
the
community.
D
Other
people
who
were
already
involved
in
the
participation
framework
and
people
who
already
said
they
were
interested
in
the
police
plan
are
obvious
ways
that
It
occurs
to
me
to
go
out
into
the
community
to
find
people
where
they
are
and
not
perhaps
refer
to
them
by
name
but
to
know
who
they
are,
who
they
represent
and
express
what
the
law
of
the
land
is,
because
many
of
us
do
not
know
it.
Additionally,
many
people
have
talked
about.
D
This
is
an
opportunity
not
only
to
hear
from
people
what
their
concerns
are,
but
also
to
start
laying
the
foundation
for
How
to
handle
problems,
the
framework
of
the
work
we
do
and
what
we
can
expect
from
our
work.
It
seems
Tania
has
had
this
experience
that
some
people
do
not
have
logical
expectations,
but
explaining
to
people
that
there
are
determinations
of
the
supreme
court
of
justice
that
the
officers
require
to
have
their
day
in
court
are
also
things
that
we
hear
frequently.
D
D
Agree
with
everything,
Cris
and
Cherry
have
said,
I'm
just
going
to
add
that
it's
time
to
manage
realistic
expectations,
because
not
what
this
department
has
or
hasn't
done,
but
also
explain
to
the
community
What
makes
our
position.
What
is
what
are
the
ways
that
this
position
can
grow
and
also
manage
my
own
expectations?
The
truth
is
that
members
of
the
community
are
not
going
to
want
to
meet
me
until
they
know
what
I
am
going
to
do.
D
For
me,
this
is
a
marathon
and
not
a
race,
and
they
will
not
want
to
know
or
hear
anything
from
me
until
they
are
sure
that
I
am
speaking
about
my
willingness
to
participate
in
listening
to
each
space
and
each
part
of
the
community.
This
role
It's
very
important
to
me,
and
it's
no
surprise
that
if
we
turn
on
the
television
and
see
how
the
police
treat
Black
people
differently
or
people
of
color
or
people
who
are
economically
disadvantaged,
when
I
was
an
advocate,
many
of
the
people
don't
know..
D
D
D
D
D
Specifically,
what
projects
are
welcome
in
the
community
and
what
projects
the
community
can
get
involved
in
some
ideas.
I've
had
have
members,
maybe
from
the
supervising
member
of
the
police,
to
the
bolder
police
go
out
and
do
a
question
and
answer
session
or
specific
training
on
what
to
expect
the
people
when
they
are
stopped
for
traffic.
D
The
college-age
population,
who
may
not
have
had
police
encounters,
but
we
know
that
that
age,
demographic
that
has
had
police
encounters
can
turn
negative.
So
they
can
understand
what
to
expect
from
police
and
police
oversight
and
maybe
wait
for
some
incidents,
maybe
conflict
that
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
happen
historically.
D
Community
engagement
is
just
one
step
but
doing
the
work.
This
work
is
not
only
about
the
community
and
participation,
but
there
is
a
very
strong
and
important
aspect
of
investigation.
They
want
to
see
that
the
cases
are
being
investigated
deeply
and
that
the
results
of
the
investigations
are
appropriate
and,
above
all,
management
of
the
management
of
Expectations
are
important
so
that
they
are
not
realistic.
D
When
a
case
is
reviewed.,
This
can
be
an
opportunity
not
only
to
see
the
results
of
the
investigations
and
the
ideas
of
the
police
supervision,
and
it
is
also
the
disassociation
of
the
head
of
the
police
and
they
can
go
out
and
explain
why
different
entities
think
differently.
According
to
what
the
evidence
shows
But,
he
is
the
one.
Building
trust
is
not
an
easy
thing.
D
E
D
They
understood
well,
but
at
first
there
was
mistrust
because
they
did
not
want
to
be
under
the
same
roof
as
the
police,
and
that
is
what
I
would
like
to
do
here.
I
know
that
the
police
department
is
not
as
diverse
as
we
would
like,
but
there
are
some
segments
of
the
police,
for
example,
to
include
police
women,
black
police
officers.
D
Minority
officers-
and
they
all
They,
have
to
be
part
of
representing
the
community
and
how
do
we
bring
them
all
together
so
that
each
community
is
represented
and,
as
I
told
you
in
the
previous
answer,
we
have
to
follow
what
we
preach
and
other
programs
that
we
can
follow
is
mediation
to
have
an
interview,
discuss
what
happened
and
for
a
police
officer
to
listen
to
what
the
community
member
has
to
say
in
the
police
department.
Think
which
solutions
can
you
provide
thanks
for
your
response,
Tania
among
all
that
Tania
has
said,
and
they
said
no.
D
There
is
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
new
ideas.
They
basically
hit
the
nail
on
the
head,
but
I
have
some
thoughts
on
what
they
have
expressed
when
it
came
to
seeing
the
results
and
I
understand
what,
when
this
person
used
about
the
concept
of
building
trust
Yes,
because
it
is
not
something
that
happens
overnight
and
if
we
think
about
historically
excluded
communities
that
takes
time
yes,
building
trust
takes
time.
D
Little
by
little
step
by
step,
we
have
some
ideas
on
community
engagement
and
How
to
get
the
trust
of
all
members
of
the
community,
and
not
only
is
it
going
to
be
the
participation
we
also
think
of
them
about
the
civilians,
but
the
police
are
also
part
of
our
community.
When
we
talk
about
community
participation,
we
are
including
the
police,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
monitor
and
the
panel
are
not.
They
are
delivering
results,
but
community.
D
Participation
alone
is
not
going
to
deliver
results,
but
we
want
everything
to
be
based
on
rigorous
research,
that
the
standard
is
very
high.
That
is
based
on
objective
evidence
because
it
is
carried
out
by
neutral
people
and
that
recommendations
are
expressed.
That
is
going
to
have
a
very
positive
impact,
especially
that
it
is
in
accordance
with
the
values
​​
of
the
police
department
and
with
the
good
work
that
they
are
doing.
If
that
happens
Then
the
police
chief
can
recommend
the
disciplinary
measure,
and
so
on.
D
Trust
is
built
when
the
community
sees
that
the
work
of
an
independent
researcher
and
an
independent
monitor,
Then.
The
process
can
begin
in
terms
of
bringing
each
group
together.
As
Tania
said,
I
have
seen
that
this
works
in
New,
York
and
I.
Don't
I
mean
this
is
something
that
anyone
can
make
happen
overnight,
but
there
are
initiatives
that
can
be
started
that
are
slowly.
D
To
get
on
the
police
bandwagon
and
take
a
tour
and
have
an
idea
of
what
police
face
on
a
daily
basis,
What
a
day
looks
like
in
police
force.
Is
that
many
people
have
no
idea
how
difficult
this
job
is.
We
only
see
the
news
headlines,
but
sometimes
The
reality
is
very
different.
I
have
done
this
tour
when
they
are
called
their
head
explodes
and
some
have
no
idea
all
the
work,
the
paperwork
that
each
procedure
takes,
because
they
think
that
sitting
there
in
a
patrol
car
is
something
boring.
But
hey.
D
There
are
many
other
things
that
the
citizens
can
see
how
the
Police
Academy
invites
the
citizens
to
come
in
and
take
a
course
or
take
a
night
course,
and
they
can
learn.
In
other
words,.
It
is
not
a
replica
of
what
they
learn
in
the
police
academy,
but
they
are
taught
some
things,
for
example,
from
the
New
York
police,
but
they
give
you
an
idea
of
​​
what
a
policeman
has
to
learn.
So
when,
once
when
the
police
have
to
make
an
arrest,
then.
D
When
the
public
learns
Then,
he
realizes
all
the
sports
that
The
police
always
have
to
write
in
mind
to
make
an
arrest.
So
they
are
measures
that
I
would
love
to
see
in
every
part
of
the
country
and
I
have
participated,
for
example,
in
a
theater
company
in
Brooklyn
in
New
York,
and
that
speaks
of
the
absurd
to
understand
the
theater
director.
D
D
Seven
civilians
and
seven
police
officers
in
the
program
was:
it
was
every
Tuesday
from
six
to
10
and
we
were
together
for
four
hours
on
Tuesdays
and
we
were
basically
against
the
police,
but
it
was
the
police
officers
weren't
wearing
their
uniform
and
it
started.
You
start
with
a
meal
share
food
with
them.
You
start
to
speak
and
then
why
are
people
not
wearing
their
name?
Badges
So?
D
D
They
have
to
put
the
policemen
on
the
police
and
the
civilians
and
allow
them
to
walk
to
put
themselves
in
the
other
person's
shoes,
and
that's
how
trust
arises
and
I've
seen
it
as
it
happened,
And
how,
when
the
play
was
presented-
and
that
happened
with
people
who
had
no
theater
experience
and
well-
and
we
started
to
sing
side
by
side
with
the
police.
Well
I
tell
you
I'm,
not
a
good
singer,
but
the
exercise
gave
results.
We
met
in
a
very,
very
different
way.
D
I
would
love
to
see
a
similar
program
take
place
here
in
bolder
and
in
other
parts
of
the
country,
but
when
you,
when
you
point
in
that
direction,
when
you
impact
a
single
person
or
maybe
a
pastor
in
the
group,
you
can
change
his
point
of
view.
His
way
of
thinking
and
those
attitudes
are
transferred
and
well.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
something
exactly
like
this,
but
sorry
for
talking
So
much.
D
D
Is
going
to
be
a
very
difficult
question
to
answer
the
two
jurisdictions
where
I
worked
in
Dallas
and
in
New
Orleans?
Well,
in
New
Orleans,
they
have
unions
and
in
Dallas
they
have
associations.
In
my
experience,
both
instances
more
difficult
supervision,
I
know
that
they
were
asking
the
officers
not
to
cooperate
with
my
office,
etcetera.
D
To
make
sure
that
at
least
on
paper
things
are
things
that
had
to
happen,
but
there
were
many
limitations
on
the
streets.
When,
someone
stops
you
for
traffic
and
asks
what
happened
and
and
pretends
that
you
don't
know
me
is
something
very
difficult
to
answer,
but
one
of
the
ways
is
to
see
that
once
things
are
getting
involved
with
politics
and
the
way
my
department
worked,
It
is
that
there
is
a
good
understanding
between
the
police
department
and
the
supervisory
department.
This
is
how
you
are
going
to
access
this
information.
D
B
D
D
A
challenge
that
is
difficult
to
navigate.
We
talk
about
this.
The
three
of
us
establish
trust,
clear
expectations.
And
it
has
to
do
with
What
kind
of
work
you
are
going
to
do.
It
would
be
very
difficult
to
go
against
the
unions
and
the
associations
and
what
confidence
that
you
are
doing
a
fair
job,
that
they
see
that
you
are
fair
and
But.
You
can
establish
the
paths
as
an
investigator
work
with
representatives
of
the
unions
and
do
the
interviews
of
the
officials.
They
will
always
challenge
you.
That
is
my
experience.
D
D
A
This
was
not
the
case
with
the
union
that
has
the
officers.
I
am
very
pleased
that
someone
in
violence
understands
this
difficulty,
because
it
is
a
real
limit..
The.
Memorandum
of
understanding
is
very
important,,
but
the
officers
do
have
rights
and
we
have
to
give
them
the
life
process.
That
is
within
the
agreement
that
they
have.
If.
We
want
to
change
their
process
or
give
them
more
access
to
supervision,.
That
has
to
be
done
in
conjunction
with
the
union
and
the
people
here,
members
of
the
community,
can
talk
to
the
city
government
and
telling
them.
A
That
is
something
important,
and
it
is
certainly
not
easy
because
it
is
a
challenge.
I
understand
that
it
is
difficult
to
lower
the
rights
that
they
had
before.
It
is
simply
a
fact
that
you
have
to
work
with
it
and
when
I
was
doing
interviews,
The
same
relationship
with
the
police
union,
lawyers
can
possibly
be
agreed,
and
one
can
make
some
progress
on
something
small,
but
if
it
involves
determination
to
run
them
down,
nothing
is
going
to
stop
them
from
defending
their
clients.
A
A
Someone
wrote
very
small
as
a
monitor.
You
would
decide
the
details
of
the
conduct
of
the
police.
It
is
communicated
to
the
panel
and
then
to
the
general
public,
which
guides
their
standards
of
transparency,
and
what
is
your
information
that
should
be
released
to
the
public
or
kept
private?
Let's
start
with
kris,
I
think
for
the
first
part
of
the
question,
the
details
that
should
be
given
to
the
panel
every
detail
possible.
I
don't
see
any
reason
to
take
that
back
information
or
avoiding
communicating
that
information
is
part
of
the
ordinance
rules
and
beyond
that.
A
If
the
investigation
has
finished
investigation,
there
are
details
that
cannot
be
revealed
to
the
public
because
one
does
not
want
to
violate
the
privacy
of
the
officer
or
the
citizen
or
possibly
there
are
other
things
within
the
investigation.
It
does
not
occur
to
me
at
that
moment,
but
I
am
in
favor
of
the
transfer
that
one
can
communicate
everything
as
much
as
possible
everything
that
is
allowed,
but
we
cannot
give
all
the
information
of
the
case
to
the
public.
A
A
It's
important
to
also
recognize
that
certain
things
may
be
out
of
the
monitor's
control.
If
the
monitor
is
working
under
the
city
manager,
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
make
clear
to
the
public.
What
are
the
rules
regarding
the
transfer,
but
I
would
like
to
have
that
Clarity
with
the
city
manager.
What
are
the
procedures
regarding
giving
public
statements
that
goes
through
the
press
office
I
do
not
want
to
give
conflicting
information
or
narrative
against
what
I
wanted
announce
the
city
on
that
platform
thanks
and
you.
F
A
I
don't
know
if
there
is
a
limit
to
the
information
that
can
be
shared
from
a
monitor
to
the
monitoring
panel,
but
it
is
important
to
review
the
information
to
make
it
complete
and
to
make
a
correct
determination
in
As
for
the
information
to
the
public,.
That
is
a
little
more
difficult
because
one
wants
to
maintain
the
integrity
of
the
investigation,,
but
there
is
a
balance
with
transparency..
I
was
speaking
earlier
during
the
reception
about
my
views
on
transparency
being
completely
changed.
A
before
I
valued
the
integrity
of
the
investigation,
more
against
transparency,
but
I
have
changed
my
mind.
Now
I
want
to
give
more
information
to
the
public
as
much
as
possible
at
different
points
of
time.
We
have
a
transparency
team
that
redacts
the
videos
to
keep
the
privacy
of
the
people,
and
we
go
through
the
reports
and
audio
that
we
have
And.
That
has
been
very
excellent
in
Chicago
in
terms
of
trust,
and
we
also
have
reports
with
information
redacted
for
stakeholder
privacy
purposes.
A
A
A
A
policy
change
in
Dallas
was
that
we
were
able
to
disclose
the
information
So
until
June
2020.
Not
they
had
a
policy
to
release
the
videos.
So
I
worked
with
the
boss.
We
wrote
the
policy
now
within
72
hours
of
a
critical
incident.
We
have
to
release
the
information
until
at
least
they
say
because
they
can't
do
it
forever,
but
they
need
to
explain
my
office.
A
A
The
board
meets
once
a
month
publishes
it
all.
The
research
is
there.
People
can
see
the
research,
they
know
all
the
facts
and
the
recommendations
to
me.
This
is
very
important
that
the
public
can
see
and
it
is
also
accessible
in
conjunction
with
the
30
page
report.
We
have
a
two-page
summary
report.
A
A
D
D
D
Professionally
investigated,
first
of
all-
and
it
is
the
duty
of
the
independent
monitor
to
review
and
work
with
the
professional
standards
unit
and
make
sure
that
each
standard
is
being
followed,
that
the
investigation
is
thorough
and
that
it
follows
the
guidelines
that
have
been
established.
That
is
the
main
purpose
aside
from
which
the
independent
monitor
works
already
knowing
How
and
knowing
how
the
misconduct
occurred
and
making
recommendations
on
discipline,
and
the
oversight
committee
has
the
same
task.
Anyone
who
feels
they
are
taking
the
place
of
the
independent
monitor
that
is
their
primary
purpose.
D
There
has
to
be
evidence,
do
whatever
possible
to
get
information
in
a
timely
manner,
and
any
member
of
the
public
who
feels
they
have
been
treated
unfairly
by
the
police
is
well
to
feel
good
about
making
a
complaint
Many
times.
We
have
to
ask
people
to
make
a
statement,
because
it
is
difficult
to
talk
about
incidents
where
you
feel
unfairly
treated,
especially
if
it
has
to
do
with
race
or
any
other
aspect
And.
D
I
understand
that
there
are
issues
about
holding
the
police
accountable,
which
is
the
ultimate
responsibility,
ultimately
rests
with
the
chief
of
police
and
determining
what
disciplinary
measure
is
appropriate
for
the
police
officer,
and
that
is
something
that
I
definitely
understand
that
it
is
a
possibility
that
the
ordinance
can
be
changed.
And.
If
the
community
feels
that
The
power
of
the
person
who
occupies
the
position
of
monitor
should
ultimately
change
that
responsibility,,
then
it.
D
Well,
it's
an
interesting
question
in
terms
of
accountability
and
I,
see
accountability
from
various
points
of
view.
When
we
talk
about
transparency,
And,
as
Cherry
said,
who
has
the
latest
word,
is
the
police
chief
part
of
that
must
be
informed
to
the
public?
What
really
happened
that
is
part
of
the
transfer
And.
If
the
recommendation
is
that
the
officer
receiving
training
be
suspended,
we
all
need
to
know
that,
and
it
is
important
For
example.
If
I
google
do
google
dallas
morning,
news.
D
Disciplinary
action
was
put
in
place
and
one
of
the
officers
actually
killed.
Someone
says:
ok,
no,
if
you
don't
want
to
work
with
the
community,
if
you
don't
want
to
work
directly
with
training
and
measurements,
then
you're
going
to
end
up
with
results
like
these
If,
you
see
Someone,
who
has
been
seriously
injured
in
well.
We
have
to
really
figure
out
what
our
best
recommendations
are.
D
D
It
is
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
to
see
or
say.
Look,.
This
is
the
fifth
report
that
I
have
sent
on
the
ESMEF
officer
or
whatever,.
So
we
see
the
trends
and
But.
This
must
be
documented
because
before
it,
the
damage
is
too
much
and
it's
too
late
to
fix
it
That's
the
importance
of
taking
action
that
will
hold
them
accountable
to
document
and
make
sure
that
we're
keeping
track
of
the
officers
that
we
have
to
work
with
the
most
and
and
I
also
want
to
say
that
training
is
very
important.
D
D
D
This
unfair
conduct
exists
is
one
of
the
areas
that
we
have
to
work
on
Not
only
in
bolder
but
everywhere,
especially
when
we
talk
about
historically
marginalized
communities
and
a
lot
of
unfair
behavior
happens
because
they
don't
trust
the
government.
They
don't
trust
government
services,
they
don't
trust
the
police
and
they
have
no
reason
to
trust
either
the
monitor-
and
that
goes
back
to
what
we
were
saying
at
the
beginning
and
about
approaching
the
community.
D
D
D
The
second
part
of
the
question
is
very
interesting,
when
she
talks
about
making
them
feel
safe,.
The
only
thing
I
have
to
say
is
that,
well,
I
can't
ensure
your
safety
if
I'm,
not
there,
and
well,,
and
neither
are
the
members
of
the
panel.
They
can
assure
you
that
they
are
not
there
witnessing
your
encounter
with
the
police,
because
there
is
an
inclination
that
people
are
what
they
are,.
But
what
I
can
say
is
that
I
am
going
to
make
sure
that
these
problems
do
not
happen,
a
problem.