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Ad Hoc Budget Advisory Committee 5/5/2022
A
So
if
we're
up
on
youtube,
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
call
this
budget
advisory
committee
to
order,
thank
you,
everyone
for
being
with
us
we're
good
to
proceed.
Jennifer.
A
You're,
both
together,
okay,
we're
good
to
go.
I
hope
we'll
call
this
meeting
to
order,
and
I
would
ask
everyone
to
join
me
in
a
reflection
on
this
national
day
of
prayer
to
count
our
many
blessings
that
god
has
given
us
and
to
pray
for
peace
in
this
world,
particularly
in
ukraine
and
there
in
that
part
of
the
world
a
moment
of
silence.
Please.
A
Amen-
and
thank
you
very
much
so,
as
you
know,
really,
the
whole
singular
purpose
of
this
meeting
today
is
to
talk
about
our
drainage
fund
and
drainage,
project
allocation
and
and
importantly,
to
talk
about
those
future
projects
and
and
how
we
might
prioritize
them
and
make
sure
we've
got
a
path
forward
to
pay,
for
them
is,
very
importantly,
so
without
further
ado,
I'm
just
going
to
go
right
ahead
and
pass
this
over
to
amy.
A
She's
got
an
excellent
powerpoint
presentation
with
a
lot
of
information
and
amy
just
asked
so
we
got.
I
know
some
some
of
us
have
to
get
gone
in
a
little
bit,
but
please
take
your
time
and
and
we're
not
in
a
hurry.
Let's,
let's
take
our
time,
so
we
can
answer
questions
as
we
go
and
and
then
have
time
for
discussion
afterwards,
particularly
on
the
prioritization
of
projects.
A
B
Good
afternoon,
everyone,
I
just
want
to
say
to
you
matt
feminist
here
with
me:
matt
frolic,
is
here
with
me
and
councilmember
shane
just
walked
in
on
jennifer,
because
he
was
having
some
technical
difficulty
as
well.
So
I
have
all
of
them
here
with
me
in
this
in
my
conference
room,
so
we're
here
to
talk
about
the
drainage
fund
and
just
we'll
talk
about
the
current
on
project
allocations
that
we
have
in
the
drainage
fund
right
now.
B
So
the
first
project
is
forest
acres,
total
project
budget.
Right
now,
as
we
know,.
D
B
Is
21
million
dollars
and
you
can
see
the
funding
sources
for
for
that
project?
Only
205
000
is
coming
from
the
drainage
line,
but
as
it
stands
right
now
we
only
have
18.5
million
allocated
and
we
have
a
shortfall
of
2.4
million
dollars.
Almost
2.3
million,
and
please
tell
me
to
you
know,
stop
me
if
you
have
questions.
B
B
Next
is
symptom
clark.
This
is
fully
funded,
mostly
with
state
infrastructure,
infrastructure,
bank
money
and
also
our
king
k,
street
gateway
tiff
and
that's
both
phases.
Four
and
five.
B
B
B
Earhardt
street
17.8
million
7.8
is
coming
from
drainage
fund.
The
rest
is
the
cdbg
mit
grant
right
now
it's
fully
funded.
B
Windermere
is
a
7.7
million
dollar
project.
This
is
also
all
drainage
fund.
4.6
million
is
allocated
right
now
we
have
a
funding
shortage
of
3.1
million.
B
B
B
For
jackson
is
11.5
million
dollar
project
and
we
only
have
4.6
million
dollars
allocated
to
this
right
now.
Some
of
it
is
the
cooper
river
bridge
tip
and
the
rest
of
the
drainage
fund.
B
And
so
this
is
a
summary
of
all
our
current
projects.
You
can
see
it's
2.8
million
100
million
dollars.
Sorry
and
sorry,
all
the
starred
ones
are
the
ones
that
are
currently
underfunded.
E
Amy,
do
you
have
a
sheet
like
this?
I
guess
that
also
summarizes
each
project.
That's
underfunded.
In
other
words,
what's
the
total.
B
And
then
I
just
did
I
had
this
for
you
last
year
as
well,
just
funding
by
sources
of
the
200
and
200
million
worth
of
projects
that
we
have.
It's
always
interesting.
You
know,
80.6
million
of
that
is
grants.
D
Amy,
looking
at
the
local
auction
department
income
is
there
any
other
ways?
We
can
increase
that
at
all?
That's
a
that's
a
hard
number.
B
D
B
So
then
we
have
the
projections
for
the
next
five
years,
as
you
can
see
right
now,
the
projects
the
way
they
are
currently
funded
will
end
up
in
2026,
with
a
fund
balance
of
29.2
million
dollars.
B
We
do
have
a
reserve
policy
in
there.
It's
it's
50
percent
of
next
year's
revenues.
It's
regular
revenues
that
would
be
taxes
on
business
licenses
and
interest
income
just
because
we
feel
like
we
need
to
at
least
reserve
some
funding
every
year
to
make
sure
in
case
we
have
something
happening
like
a
pandemic
or
something
like
that
again.
B
A
So
amy
that's
a
go
back
to
it
for
just
a
second,
the
the
bottom.
B
A
And
by
the
end
of
26,
we'd
have
29
almost
30
million
dollars
to
spend
on
new
projects
or
to
cover
the
shortfalls
or
some
combination
thereof.
I
guess.
B
So
our
under
funded
and
unfunded
projects
councilmember
wearing
this
is
a
slide
you
were
asking
about.
So
these
are
all
the
under
the
current
projects
that
we
have
allocated
in
the
drainage
fund.
That's
the
the
additional
amount
that
we
need
is
28.4
million
dollars.
B
D
A
For
the
underfunded
projects.
B
So
let
me
go
back
to
sorry
I
should
have.
I
should
have
mentioned
this,
so
in
all
of
those
unfunded
or
the
underfunded
projects.
I
put
also
ways
that
we
could
potentially
cover
the
cost
of
those.
Not
you
know,
without
the
drainage
fund
having
to
cover
them
so
the
market
street
drainage
project,
we
could
use
tourism
fees
for
that.
The
church
creek
we
have
the
church,
creek
tiff,
four
speakers
we
can
have.
We
have
some
local
options
and
money
that
we
can
apply
towards
that
barbary,
woods
there's.
B
You
know
we
can
look
for
more
new
france
and
there's
also
the
mid
on
on
johnson
island.
King
eugene
street
has
more
potential
grants
and
creeper
river
branch.
Tiff,
windermere
and
concord
are
really
just
a
drainage
fund
and
cooper
jackson,
drainage.
We
could
utilize
the
cooper
river
tiff
or
also
look
for
a
cd
bg
mit
grant.
B
A
lot
of
them
are
yes,
yeah.
Let
me
also
say
in
this
this
right
here:
the
local
option
mini
the
mini
acres.
I
already
included
that
so
that
project
is
not
included
over
here,
because
we
can
cover
that
with
local
options.
So
it's
not
part
of
the
drainage
fund
at
all.
So
I've
already
covered
that
with
that
funding.
B
So
if
we
can
allocate
other
funding
sources,
there
be
obviously
more
funding
available
for
new
projects.
Like
I
said
we
could
utilize
tourism
fees
for
the
market
street
drainage
project,
cooper,
river
bridge
tiff,
funding
for
both
the
fiji
king,
huge
street
and
cooper
jackson,
drainage
improvements
plus
any
possible
friends
that
we
might
get.
But
these.
B
Are
you
know
we
might
get
them
right
now?
We
already
have
allocated
3.6
million
in
drainage
funds
for
the
church,
free
project
and
the
additional
funding
that
we
needed
of.
B
If
we
decided
to
bond
bond
for
that,
we
could
cover
all
of
church
creek
with
a
tif
bond
and
not
utilize
drainage
funds
that
would
put
that
back
into
the
drainage
fund.
And
if
we
did
that
we'd
get
17
million
back
to
the
drainage
fund
over
the
next
five
years.
A
A
It
really
helps
to
multiply
or
expand
the
drainage
fund
in
a
way
doesn't
it.
I
couldn't.
B
So
I
am
expecting
information
from
the
county
on
the
tips,
so
in
the
next
couple
of
months
I
should
be
able
to
come
back
and
let
you
know
where
we
stand
with
all
the
tips
that
conversation.
B
So
then,
some
of
the
unfunded
projects
with
false
estimates
is
the
dupont
waku
improvements
series,
one
through
four
and
five
through
10,
which
another
possible
funding
source
for
the
for
that
would
be
west
ashley
central
park.
Wamball
basement
it's
going
to
be
drainage,
fund
and
possible
grants
if
there
are
any
up
there
abroad
in
lockwood.
Meanwhile,
drainage
fund
in
grants
same
with
west
bonney
for
royal.
It's
such
a
small
project
amount.
B
We
probably
wouldn't
find
any
grants
for
that,
so
that
most
likely
will
have
to
be
covered
by
the
drainage
fund
and
then
lake
daughter
and
long
branch
noaa
current
application
is
a
good
possibility.
The
arch
retrofit
is
also
possible
scdot
funding
and
that's
40,
an
additional
44
million
dollars
for
those
projects.
Yes,
councilman.
E
Go
back
to
central
park
womba.
This
goes
back,
I
mean
I
think
this
was
either
the
january
or
before
or
february,
before,
covert,
really
laid
and
think
there
was
a
bond
that
was
refunded.
That
was
going
to
save
some
cash
flow.
E
I
thought
we
voted
to
take
that
additional
cash
flow
and
applied
to
that
central
park.
Walmart
basin
improvement.
B
We
did
do
that,
however,
that's
over
a
period
of
10
years
councilmember.
So
it's
not
really
it's
not
going
to
fund
it
right
away
like
you
needed
to
so
you
would
need
to.
You
would
need
to
allocate
funding
for
it
now
because
it
was
a
savings
over.
I
think,
over
a
number
of
years.
It
wasn't
you
don't
get
the
savings
all
up
front
right
away.
C
C
A
I'm
happy
to
allocate
it
right
now.
It
looks
like
we
have
the
ability
to
do
that,
but
I
do
believe
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
it,
but
I
I
don't
think.
B
E
Anyway,
okay,
are
you
on
a.
B
I'm
almost
done
with
my
roll,
so
additional
potential
projects
also
are
the
alberta,
long
lake
area,
drainage
improvements,
the
va
hospital
drainage,
lift
station
mbic
pump
station
up
fit
in
the
venice
street
compensation
all
to
for
about
27.5
million,
and
you
know
there
could
be
some
tips
or
contributions
from
the
hospitals
for
those
projects
as
well.
C
Just
well
well
jamie's
talking
for
numbers
too.
I
mean
many
of
these.
Things,
of
course,
are
very
round
approximate
numbers
at
this
point,
because
there's
a
lot
of
uncertainty
before
you've
actually
designed
a
project
for
cost,
so
things
like
the
muc
pump
station
outfit,
the
alberta
long,
like
I
mean
those
are
probably
plus
or
minus
50,
at
least
in
terms
of
accuracy.
At
this
point
in
time,.
C
And
we
haven't
talked
about
it
this
one.
We
could
talk
about
it
later,
if
it's
better
but
sort
of
the
same
question
revolves
around
like.
Why
do
we
have
underfunded
projects
and
there's
a
number
of
different
reasons?
Some
of
them
are
for
that
reason
that
there
was
an
allocation
by
council
prior
to
a
design
coming
up
with
a
project
estimate.
That's
like
cooper
jackson
is
very
similar
to
that,
but
there
was
a
bond
allocation
amount
before
a
design
was
put
together,
so
there
was
not
a
boss
number.
C
Some
of
them
are
increases
in
scope
under
mirror,
looks
like
that,
where
we,
basically,
instead
of
just
adding
in
the
new
outfall
the
best
evaluation
modeling,
shows
also
improving
the
existing
outfall,
which
significantly
has
the
project
cost,
but
shows
a
much
better
scenario
for
flood
improvement,
and
then
some
of
them,
which
we
see
in
the
church,
create
core
stakers.
C
C
You
know
the
guidances
are
anything
from
we'll
start
a
recession
in
the
next
nine
months
to.
We
will
continue
to
see
out
of
control
logistics
issues
for
the
next
two
years
and
then
charleston
of
course,
has
its
own
its
own.
C
Building
environment
moving
here,
so
it's
good
to
allocate,
but
it's
it
is
also
important
to
retain
some
flexibility
for
conditions
changing
because
the
worst
case
scenario
is
to
think
you're
going
to
build
a
project
and
then
not
be
able
to
build
a
project
because
something
changes
so
just
quick
background
information.
We
can
talk
about
anything,
more
detail.
If
anyone
wants
to
later.
I
don't
want
to
sidetrack
the
financial.
F
Before
that
one,
the
one
that
has
the
womba
on
it.
B
F
Yes,
just
a
question
to
matt
matt
over
the
last
year,
or
so
we
have
been
talking
to
the
community
about
the
various
phases
that
this
project
would
have
to
go
through
and
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
isn't
that
first
phase
the
design
phase
or
we
design
before
we
implement
the
phases.
C
C
F
F
A
Time
to
move
forward
I've,
we,
I
think
we
all
concur
on
that
councilmember
gregory.
So
thank
you,
man,
along
those
lines.
If
you'd
go
up
one
more
slide,
where
it
talks
about
calhoun
street,
no,
the
other
way,
I
guess
the
20.
No,
the
other
sorry.
C
A
So
if
you
were
to
answer
that
same
type,
question
that
councilmember
gregory
had
and
the
next
design
phase
of
of
this
basin
of
alberta,
long
lake
and
calhoun
street
and
the
neighborhoods
nearby,
what
what
would
that
break
out
to
be
approximately?
How
much
would
we
need
just
to
get
a
a
project
conceived
and
designed.
C
Central
park,
wamba
area,
we
have
done
that.
We
had
done
this
counseling
gregory
mentioned
back
in
2019
2020.
We
spent
roughly
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
working
through
the
modeling
and
the
concept
work
in
the
preliminary
engineering
to
get
to
a
better
design
and
permitting
number
and
construction
number
on
the
calhoun
alberta
long
lake.
It
was
identified
as
part
of
the
calhoun
west
preliminary
engineering,
but
it
wasn't
investigated
to
that
level.
C
I
hate
trying
to
come
up
with
a
conceptual
engineering
without
negotiating.
It
depends
what
firm
we
select
to
do
the
work
and
a
number
of
other
things,
but
for
a
project
that
scale,
I
would
say,
roughly
500
000,
but
it's
going
to
depend
on
how
we
scope
it
and
how
complicated
the
work
ends
up
being
roughly
500
000.
That
would
not
get
us
to
a
construction-ready
permanent
construction
set.
It
would
get
us.
D
C
C
A
Right
and
and
that
one
by
the
way
it's
mentioned
here,
y'all
that
that
project
could
also
be
funded
with
with
tiff
funds.
That
is
that
little
section
of
calhoun
street
is
in
the
horizon
or
west
edge,
tif
district,
okay,
so
amy.
If
you
don't
mind
going
back
now
to
the
one
that
you
show
18
million
dollars.
A
C
So,
just
let
me
make
sure
I'm
I'm
following
you,
I
mean
so
these
are.
These
are
cumulative
right,
so
basically
in
2023
you're
using
the
available
amount
from
2022
to
cover
that's
right,
2023
projects.
So
at
the
end
of
the
five
years
you
have
3.3
that
have
been
it
could
have
been
allocated
across
those
later.
A
A
And
and
so
now,
if
you
go
back
to
the
potential
new
projects.
A
A
You
got
a
44
million
dollars
there,
but
20
of
it
is
lake,
daughter
or
long
branch,
which
is
an
important
project,
but
a
lot
of
that
area
is,
is
charleston
county,
not
city
of
charleston
and
and
I
believe,
dale
morris
and
and
and
has
been
working
with
noah
and
so
as
matt
fountain,
to
talk
about
getting
some
some
funding
from
them.
So
so
just
putting
late
daughter
aside,
we're
not
too
far
away,
and
I
would
take
out
the
britch
brick
arch
three
and
a
half
million
because
y'all
I
gotta
tell
you.
A
I've
had
direct
conversations
with
with
christy
hall
about
this
project,
she's
very
supportive
of
it.
We've
already
spent
a
good
bit
of
money
on
it
and-
and
she
has
promised
me
she
will
help
us
fund
that
continuing
that
that
retrofit,
because
80
no
it's
about
70
of
the
roads
over
those
brick
arches
are
in
fact
scdot
roads
and,
and
she
acknowledges
that
and
she's.
She
tells
me
that
she's
willing
to
help
with
that.
C
I
will
note
that
the
mayor
just
real
quick,
that
the
brick
arch
money
was
a
suit
that
that
3.5
is
more
like
a
matching
amount
to
a
potential
funding
source
from
someone
else.
Just
just
to
be
clear,
that's
not
enough!
The
3.5
is
not
anywhere
near
enough
to
do
all
the
remaining
arches.
Just
just
for
clarity.
D
Peter
I
got
a
couple
follow-up
questions
I
made
yes,
sir,
so
matt
and
amy
on
the
west
hani
area
in
fort
royal.
What
stage
are
we
in
with
those
two
projects.
C
C
But
that
one
will
revolve
around
where
we're
able
to
obtain
basic
gratis
or
free
easement
dedication.
If
we're
able
to
get
free,
easement
dedication,
we
can
move
to
design
and
permanent.
C
If
we're
not,
we
have
to
look
at
condemnation
options
which
may
change
the
cost
on
the
project,
but
I
don't
have
an
appraisal
yet
for
those
those
properties
and.
D
For
anybody's
edification
for
royal
is
a
street
in
west
party
subdivision.
The
west
pawnee
area
is
this
property.
That's
over
in
old
town
acres
gilmore
street
bamboo
street
base
county
place.
So
it's
not
west
pawnee
subdivision
it's
on.
D
C
So
the
recommended
route
from
the
evaluation
involved,
basically
laying
new
pipe
down
ashland
over
to
old
town
road.
The
question
will
be:
if
dod
has
any
issues
with
that
connection
and
how
much
modeling
they
require
for
it.
If
dot
is
cooperative
and
thinks
that's
a
reasonable
approach,
we'd
probably
be
looking
at
normally,
I
would
say
a
year
for
design
and
permitting
right
now
I
might
say
a
year
and
a
half,
because
most
of
the
firms
are
really
stretched
and
then
construction
on
something
like
that
would
be
another
six
months
or
twelve
months.
D
And
then
finally
amy
you
mentioned
that
grant
money
would
not
be
available
for
the
for
oil
project,
probably
not,
but
what
grants
are
we
thinking
about
for
west
county,
so
they're.
C
We
have
a
few
projects
that
are
reasonable
options
for
the
the
current
style
of
south
carolina
rural
infrastructure
agency
money.
The
esa
money
there's
also
likely
to
be
an
arpa
round.
They
are
still
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
fund
which,
for
slightly
larger
projects,
will
be
a
good
opportunity
like
something
the
size
of
west
money
or
windermere
that
aren't
kind
of
traditional
cost-benefit
projects.
That
would
be
eligible
for
something
like
brick
or
hmgb,
because
they
don't.
They
don't
have
that
kind
of
large
scale.
C
C
D
C
Of
these
projects
started:
yes,
that's
right,
because,
basically,
what
you
don't
want
to
have
from
an
efficiency
standpoint.
What
you
don't
want
to
happen
is
where
you
finish
all
of
your
construction
projects,
then
you
start
designing
your
next
set
of
projects,
because
one
design
is
cheaper
than
construction
generation.
Your
cash
flow
starts
to
get
very
crazy,
looking
and
then
two
you're.
C
C
F
Hey
matt,
this
is
dudley.
I
think
you
said
for
the
central
park
we're
talking
about
a
million
dollars
for
design
and
permitting.
Did
I
hear
that
correctly.
C
Central
park,
if
we're
talking,
when
we
talk,
we
only
I
talk
about
it
as
project
areas,
one
and
two
which
are
the
and
I've
got.
I
have
presentations
all
of
this
if
anybody
wants
refreshers
on
what
any
of
the
projects
are,
because
I
know
it's
a
lot
of
different
projects
for
me
to
keep
in
their
head
project
areas.
One
and
two
are
the
kind
of
the
main
canal
that
comes
down
between
wimbledon
and
boyle
park
and
that
kind
of
runs,
dmv
apartments
and
comes
out.
C
That's
that's
project
areas,
one
and
two
that
I
think
the
design
work
on
that
because
we
already
have
the
concept
work
is
likely
to
sit
more
in
that
seven
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollar
ish
range
I've.
Gotta
I've
been
talking
to
econ
about
updating
the
prices
they
did
back
in
2020.
For
that
there
is
some
complicated
environmental
permitting
through
there
most
likely.
So
it's
I
think
it
will
be
probably
a
two-year
design
and
permitting
process
to
get
through
that.
But
yes,
roughly
roughly
three-quarter
million
dollars
over
a
two-year
period.
F
Okay
and
and
and
the
500
well
the
5
million
that
we
talked
about
for
10
years.
If
a
half,
a
half
million
for
the
next
couple
of
years
may
be
able
to
take
care
of
that.
C
F
So
we're
talking
we're
talking
about
potential
construction
for
phase
one
and
phase
two
in
two
years.
F
F
I
just
wanna
make.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
listeners
are
clear
on
this.
You
know
that
if
we
allocate
we're
not
going
to
see
shovels
in
the
ground
in
the
next
month
or
may
any
in
even
a
year,
but
as
a
prerequisite
to
get
there,
okay,
we've
got
to
get
do
the
designing
and
permitting
phase
before
we
get
to
construction.
C
Yes,
there's
there's
going
to
be
a
heavy
component
of
army
corps
of
engineer
permitting
and
dehydrating
because
of
the
tidal
impacts
on
some
of
that
system,
and
that
tends
to
be
an
18
month
to
two
year
permanent
window
right
now.
So
I
would
expect
at
least
two
years
to
get
through
that
permitting
window
is
what
I'm
saying.
Yes
thank.
F
A
So
a
couple
of
follow-up
questions
on
dupont:
wapu,
didn't
we
have
an
agreement
with
the
county,
matt
fountain
that
that
they
would
pick
up
a
percentage
of
the
construction
projects
going
forward.
I
know
they
participated
with
us
on
the
concept
plan
we
got
to
so
far,
but
weren't
we
talking
with
them
about
also
helping
us
to
some
extent
on
the
construction.
C
The
suduba
lab
was
a
little
bit
different
and
then
we
did
fund
the
design
and
permitting
for
the
projects,
one
through
four
out
of
the
small
project
allocation
funding,
so
that
one
is
currently
in
design
and
permitting
again
only
through
one
through
four,
the
county
agreed
on
the
design
and
permitting
to
25
cost
match
based
on
their
their
relative
percentage
of
the
project
area,
but
they
have
not
allocated
or
moued
us
for
any
kind
of
construction
funding
at
this
point
just
that,
in
addition
to
the
concept
work,
they
also
did
the
designing,
permitting
cost
match,
but
not
yet
in
construction.
C
C
We
will
ask
them
they.
They
also
struggle
with
drainage,
project
funding.
They
don't
have
the
same
level
of
dedicated
revenue
that
we
do
into
the
drainage
side
of
things.
They
have
a
much
greater
side
in
the
road
project.
Obviously,
but
they
it'll
be
interesting
to
see
we
can
ask
here.
I
don't
have
as
much
confidence
we'll
get
that
level
of
funding,
but
we
can
certainly
ask.
C
A
Back
back
to
lake
darrow
for
a
minute,
I
I
know
I
said,
hold
it
to
the
side.
F
I
mean
because
of
the
the
areas
in
the
central
park
basin
also
affects
the
county.
Okay,
and
I
I
guess
my
question
is:
are
we
going
to
seek
any
county
funding
for
the
central
park
womba
basement
improvements,
because
a
lot
of
part
of
that
is
in
the
county.
A
Yeah
they
committed
to
taking
a
portion
of
the
basin
and
doing
county
projects.
Matt
probably
can
fill
in
more.
C
C
We
all
requested
what
would
be
project
area
4,
which
is
the
other
side
of
the
basin
in
between
fleming
and
woodland
shores.
Riverland,
yes,
and
the
county
is
managing
that
project.
They
have
thomas
and
hutton
on
board
as
their
design
engineer
with
the
initial
funding
they
receive
from
ctc
they're,
starting
that
permitting
process
now
with
the
core
for
that
side
of
the
basin.
So
that
was
kind
of
the
the
informal
arrangement
we
had
was
that
the
county
would
try
to
make
progress
on
that
side
of
the
basin.
C
While
the
city
made
progress
on
the
eastern
side
of
the
base
and
there's
still
a
matter
of
who
who
does
the
phase
three
improvements,
which
are
the
eventual
improvements
in
the
laurel
park?
Community?
Those
are
on
the
eastern
side
of
the
basin,
but
they're
almost
completely
within
the
unincorporated
county,
but
that
you
have
to
make
the
improvements
in
areas
one
and
two
and
probably
four
before
you
can
really
do
area
three
anyway.
So
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
potential
future
project
still
lingering.
That
was.
C
The
idea
was
to
split
those
two
projects
between
us
and
the
county
to
again
try
to
bring
some
kind
of
money
into
the
area.
C
So
that
the
howell
avenue
project,
the
county
and
city
collaboratively
applied
in
a
green
belt
to
acquire
that
piece
of
property
that
was
successful,
we
did
acquire
the
property.
The
city
has
a
requested
in
the
small
project
allocation
which
we're
not
talking
about
today,
but
we
will
have
public
works
utilities
likely
at
the
end
of
the
month.
I
saw
that
to
do
the
design
work
to.
C
A
All
right
so
now
back
to
lake.org
that
same
kind
of
question
matt.
I
know
it's
just
a
wild
wild
guess
maybe,
but
what
would
be
the
conceptual
design
cost
to
to
take
that
to
the
next
step,
not
the
20
million
dollar
projector
for
the
whole
thing,
but
just
a
piece
that
would
get
us
to
a
a
project
concept
that
we
would
be
comfortable
with.
C
C
Complicated
as
a
how
much
tidal
impacted
area
there
is
their
modeling
level
and
then
the
improvements
along
the
dam
that
would
be
necessary,
but
it
could
be
cheaper
than
that.
I
most
the
firms
you
would
pick
would
be
larger
firms.
You
have
a
lot
of
environmental
experience
for
that
we
tend
to
be
the
most
expensive
firms.
Unfortunately,.
A
Matt
that
that
20
million
figure
that
handles
both
sides
that
handles
the
opening
underneath
savannah
highway
and
underneath
the
greenway
and
the
dam
side.
I
guess,
on
the
other,
on
the
other
side
of
lake
daughter,
it's
all
of
it-
is
that
correct.
C
C
Very
rough
number
councilman:
that's
why
it's
sort
of
so
round
20
billion,
but
I
don't
know
until
we
look
more
at
that
improvement
under
17.
It's
just
hard
to
know
what
our
options
are
if
it
ends
up
being
where
we
can
jack
and
bore
something,
that's
not
that
expensive,
but
we
have
to
be
again
not
that.
C
C
D
E
E
I'm
going
to
jump
in
about
three
minutes
to
do
something
at
the
gear
yard,
and
then
I
have
to
jump
right
back,
but
one
seat
I
wanted
to
plant
amy.
This
is
based
on
how,
if
you
took
out
the
tiff
money
and
grant
monies
on
all
these
projects,
you've
shown
us.
Obviously
we
need
more
revenue.
Get
these
things
done.
E
E
See
my
thing
about
interest
rates
definitely
going
to
go
up
and
we'll
go
up,
probably
two
or
three
more
times
this
year.
Cpw
is
coming
in
to
us.
I
think
at
tuesday's
meeting
asking
for
some.
Mr
me,
170
million
plus
dollars
for
capital
projects
to
me,
it
seems
like
we
may
need
to
increase
the
drainage
fees
assign
some
of
those
dollars
to
drainage
bond.
E
We
still
living
off
some
projects
up
to
2012
drainage,
bond
amy
and
some
of
that
money
for
forrest
ferris.
That's
the
first
bonding
project.
I
voted
on.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
when
I
came
on
the
council,
I
think
it
was
february
of
2012..
E
Okay,
I've
been
on
council
all
over
a
month
or
so,
and
we're
still
living
off
of
those
projects
voted
on
the
money
for
forest
acres
and
and
now
matt
gets
to
get
bid
projects,
and
things
like
that.
I
think
the
time
has
come
for
us
to
have
a
drainage,
another
drainage
bond.
If
that
means,
we
have
to
increase
drainage
fees
to
do
that,
but
delaying
these
projects,
the
17
million
that
you
may
be
referring
to
mr
miller,
when
you
look
at
cost
overruns
in
particular
in
this
post,
covet
environment.
E
That
17
million
may
not
be
there
in
2026,
just
due
to
cost
overruns.
We
need
a
dollar
in
hand
in
effect
today,
to
do
the
projects
for
tomorrow,
three
year,
two
years
from
now
three
years
from
now,
I
don't
know
that
interest
rate
to
be
anymore.
E
You
know
something
to
fall
from
the
sky.
We
know
some
of
the
tools
we
have
now
so
anyway
I'll
talk
about
that.
Maybe
when
I
come
at
you
all,
I'm
believing
that
mr
may
I'm
the
secretary,
and
so
I
have
to
get
the
minutes
approved
so
then
I'll
jump
right
back.
This
is
far
more
important
than
obviously,
but
I
probably.
B
A
So
amy
with
that
thought
in
mind,
you
you
had
that
bond
from
2012
right
and
it
was
based
on
a
couple
of
mills
right
and
the
debt
has
been
paid
down
on
that
a
little
bit.
What
is
our
capacity
if
we
just
kept
those
couple
of
mills
dedicated
to
to
drainage
projects?
To
do
another
bond?
You
know.
B
I
don't,
but
I
can
get
that
so
that's
what
I
was
going
to
tell
councilmember
wearing
that
we
can
work
on
that,
just
to
see
what
our
current
with
our
four
mills
that
we
currently
have
dedicated
to
that
taking
into
consideration
the
bond
that
we're
currently
paying
so
I'll.
Just
get
back
to
all
of
you
on
that.
A
Okay-
well,
that's
that's
a
good
chore
to
do,
but-
and
I
don't
I
don't
know
how
long
councilmember
wearing
is
going
to
be
gone.
But
I
was
just
getting
ready
to
say
even
with
the
approximate
20
million
dollars
over
the
next
few
years.
A
I
don't
think
that's
going
to
be
a
viable
funding
source
for
the
do-wop
projects,
because
we
have
both
sumar
and
citadel
mall
improvements
that
we
need
to
be
funding
out
of
that
west
ashley
tiff.
So
I
I
think
if
you
just
went
ahead
and
committed
to
the
areas,
one
through
four,
that's
5.4
million
along
with
central
park,
the
west
pawnee,
the
fort
royal.
A
A
A
I
don't
see
why
we
couldn't
commit
to
those
projects
with
with
what
we've
got
in
hand,
given
the
the
refunding
of
the
tif
districts
and
other
things,
hospitality
funds
that
amy
has
recommended.
So
what
do
y'all
think
about
that.
D
C
D
C
Even
though
it's
four
projects,
it's
really
split
into
two
areas
area,
one
kind
of
runs
from
one
of
councilman,
warren's
main
concerns,
which
is
that
kind
of
the
hazelwood
neighborhood
neighborhood
around
the
top
of
the
citadel
mall
and
then
down
to
where
it
connects
through
under
under
526
and
out
there.
The
other
section
of
project
work,
which
I
think
is
project
area
three,
maybe
I
have
to
actually
check
it's
questionnaire.
C
Two,
I'm
sorry
is
the
the
area
kind
of
down
where
the
on
south,
along
highway
17
running
from
dupont,
where
the
kind
of
old
car
dealership
property
is
vacant.
Currently
from
that
parcel
up
past
orleans
kind
of
through
the
town
and
country
up
under
sam
rittenberg
and
then
out
into
the
same
alcohol
system,.
D
C
So
they
will
be
incredibly
helpful
for
removing
the
current
downstream
kind
of
constrictions,
where
the
water
from
the
upstream
fire
facing
can't
get
out
under
526.
We
have
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
with
this.
Is
the
mall
epic
center
folks
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
can
build
the
portions
that
are
on
their
property
in
a
way
that
works
with
what
they
want
to
do
in
their
development.
C
We're
currently
going
back
and
forth
with
them
is
one
of
the
things
they're
they're
kind
of
envisions
is
an
alternative
master
drainage
plan
for
the
fall
that
lets
them.
Basically,
it
allows
them
to
come
in
with
different
options
as
part
of
complying
with
our
drainage
improvement
projects,
rather
than
like
a
traditional
interpretation
of
the
manual.
So
we've
had
a
number
of
meetings
with
them
and
their
engineering
team.
C
D
A
No
well,
I
I
think
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
I
mean
these
are
the
areas
that
we
know
of
been
talking
about
them
for
too
long,
and
I
know
they'll
be
indifferent
phases
so
to
speak,
but
as
matt
has
so
well
described,
we
have
to
keep
things
going
in
different
buckets
at
the
same
time,
design
and
permitting
and
construction
so.
A
But
but
having
said
all
that,
I
I
think
councilmember
waring's
idea
is,
is
spot
on
and
that
we
should
look
into
another
bond
because
we
all
know
there
are
other
expenses
that
are
going
to
escalate
and
present
themselves
to
us,
particularly
hopeful.
I
am
that
we
move
forward
with
the
ped
phase,
design
and
engineering
for
the
perimeter,
wall,
protection
and-
and
that's
that's
gonna-
you
know-
require
some
funding
as
well,
so
we're
we.
We
haven't
brought
that
into
this
equation.
Right.
C
B
We
just
need
to
be
really
strategic
about
it,
because
we
also
have
to
spend
it
within
a
certain
amount
of
time.
So
we
make
sure
that
our
projects
are
far
enough
along
that
it
makes
sense
to
bond.
So
we're
not
we're
having
a
hard
time
with
a
little
bit
with
a
2012
bond,
because
it's
we
should
have
already
had
all
that
money
spent
and
these
projects
take
so
long
to
to
complete.
C
A
I'm
having
I'm
having
a
little
trouble
hearing
y'all
in
person
really
is
better,
but
so
are
you
saying
that
you
know
I
I
I
spouted
off
that
list
and
just
say
it's
18.2
million
if
we're
able
to
cover
that
with
the
existing
cash
flow
and
and
rediversion
amy
that
you
mentioned
earlier,
are
you
saying
it's
better
to
just
proceed
and
then
hold
our
fire
on
the
bond
until
we
really
need
it?
Is
that
what
I'm
hearing.
B
B
Not
necessarily
taking
all
of
the
what
we
see
into
those
project
costs.
You
know
because
right
now
we're
saying
it's
4.8
million
roughly
for
central
parkwamba
for
the
whole
project.
So
if
we
at
least
use
some
of
the
drainage
fund
to
get
to
where
we
need
to
be
to
start
construction,
then
you
use
the
bond
for
the
construction
side
of
it.
C
B
So
there
will
be
other
depending
on
what
we
do
with
those,
because
we
were
talking
about
doing
a
cooper
river
bridge
bond
sometime
this
year
as
well,
and
we
need
to.
As
soon
as
I
get
the
tip
information,
we
can
look
at
church
creek
to
see
what
we
can
do
with
those
that
would
still
freeze
some
things
up
and
we
are
applying
for
some
grants
and
things
like
that
as
well.
So
there's
other
potential
ways
to
put
money
back
into
the
drainage
fund
other
than
those.
B
B
C
C
B
So
we
do
normally
do
it
through
the
capital
improvement
plan,
so
we
could
do
it.
However,
whatever
y'all
want,
we
can
slide
all
these
projects
into
the
current
cash
flow
and
and
kind
of
see
where
it
makes
sense
to
which
projects
it
makes
more
sense
to
do
in
which
years,
if
you
want
and
kind
of
come
back
with
that
as
well.
B
And
usually
we
talk
talk
about
the
capital
improvement
plan
in
july.
Maybe
we
could
and
then
would
bring
that
forward,
but
you
all
that
it
doesn't
matter.
However,
we
all
want
to
do
it.
It's
fine.
C
F
A
Not
really,
this
is
an
advisory
committee,
but
if
we
have
consensus,
what
I'm
hearing
is
we'll
we'll
prepare
a
proposal.
If
you
will
to
to
go
to
council
that
outlines
what
amy
proposed
on
that
other
page
as
far
as
covering
those
budget
shortfalls
with
the
hospitality
fund
for
market
street,
for
example,
and
the
tif
money
for
this
project,
or
that
that's
one
side
of
it
and
then
the
other
side
of
it
would
be
to
list
these.
A
These
projects
central
park,
doo-wop
one
through
four
west
pawnee,
fort
royal
brick
arch
designed
for
calhoun
design
for
long
branch,
that
we
would
concur
that
there
is
an
allocation
for
those
projects
and
and
then
we'll
ask
matt's
fountains
separately
to
to
think
about
timing
and
scheduling
and
all
that
that
he's
a
master
at.
Does
that
sound
like
a
consensus,
anybody
got
an
objection
to
that
sounds
good
to
me.
C
A
For
me,
okay,
but
in
the
meantime
amy
I
it
would
be
good
to
look
at
the
bonding
capacity
just
to
know
know
where
it
stands.
Right
now,.
A
C
Real
quick,
which
one
of
the
things
to
note
right,
is
that
we
are
putting
a
lot
of
impact
on
the
cooper
river
bridge
tip
with
that
proposal.
We
do
have
some
decent
probability
for
grants
on
the
projects
that
would
also
be
gift
projects.
So
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
guarantee,
but
if
we
start
spending
money
that
we
don't
reserve
the
ability
to
bond
for
off
the
cooper
bridge
tiff
and
then
those
grants
don't
come
through
those.
The
king,
yuji
project
and
cooper
bridge
projects
that
cooper
jackson,
projects
would
stall.
C
F
C
I'm
banking,
my
words
for
the
next
meeting.
All
right
thanks,
everybody.
A
Anybody
else
all
right
hearing,
none.
Thank
you,
amy.
Thank
you.
Matt.
A
lot
of
work
went
into
this.
I
know
so
appreciate
it
very
much,
but
I
think
we
have
a
path
forward,
we'll
we'll
get
together
soon.
I
appreciate
everybody's
impul
input
and
advice.