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City of Charleston Army Corps 3x3 Advisory Committee Meeting 5/25/22
A
B
Great
well,
thank
you
all
very
much
yeah
there
you
go.
Thank
you
all
very
much
appreciate
everybody
joining
today
and
particular
thanks
to
kevin
as
well
as
kyle
for
brielle's
presentations
today.
Thank
you
all
very
much
good
to
see
everybody
who
is
I'm
sure
we'll
have
some
additional
folks
joining
but
put
the
kalin's
point
go
ahead
and
get
started
and
couple
just
housekeeping
items.
Bob
haybig
is
is
going
to
be
rolling
off
the
committee
and
then
we
also
have
a
excuse
me.
B
A
a
new
member
joining
and
dale.
If
you
could,
they
are
caleb,
could
give
a
quick
rundown
andrews
background.
It
was
appointed
by
the
mayorally
joining
us
next
next
meeting
represent
the
environmental
community
yeah.
You
could
give
us.
A
The
mayor's
recommended
the
council
to
appoint
andrew
underley
he's
the
charleston
water
keeper
to
fill
the
conservation
and
environmental
community
slot
here
on
the
committee.
I
think
several
folks
on
this
call
are
familiar
with
andrew,
but
let
him
do
his
introductions
when
he
joins,
hopefully,
at
the
next
meeting.
He'll
he'll
be
slated
to
be
on
the
appointment
agenda
calendar
for
the
next
council
meeting
in
june.
So
we'll
keep
you
all
posted
on
that
and
and
same
thing
with.
A
We
don't
have
a
recommendation
yet
from
the
mayor
on
bob's
position,
because
I
think
bob
this
has
to
formally.
Let
us
know
that
he'll
be
leaving
the
committee,
but
as
soon
as
that
happens,
we'll
keep
you
all
posted
on
that
front
as
well.
A
Do
you
think
that
somebody
could
do
a
press
release
about
this?
Keep
the
visibility
of
this
committee
on
people's
minds.
That
would
be
good.
That's
certainly
something
when
we
we
get
through
to
the
city
council
meeting
that
we
can
touch
base
with
our
pio
folks
to
see
if
it's
some
some
noise
we
can
make
and
and
highlight
through
our
different
channels
and
also
so.
Thank
you,
susan
good
suggestion.
C
Okay,
good
once
we
get
up
if
we,
if,
if
bob,
doesn't
join
us,
but
at
the
appropriate
time
we
should
get
a
formal
resignation
letter
from
him
and
then
I
will.
We
will
work
with
the
mayor
to
to
have
an
appointment
to
have
him
replaced,
he's
irreplaceable,
but
we'll
find
someone
else
to
represent
the
organization
that
that
he's
representing
is
important.
So.
B
Great
well
thank
y'all
to
your
point.
Earlier.
We
go
jam,
damn
packed
agenda
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
they'll
hand
back
over
to
you
for
any
city
updates
and
get
us
kicked
off
with
some
exciting
presentations
from
kevin
and
kyle.
C
Great
yeah,
thank
you
and
I
thanks
again
to
kevin
and
kyle
for
being
our
teachers
today.
It's
it's
much
appreciated
just
a
couple,
quick
updates
from,
from
my
perspective,
the
chiefs
report,
as
per
schedule
still
in
washington
at
headquarters
being
reviewed,
it
is
still
on
schedule
to
be
formally
presented
and
signed
by
the
chief
of
engineers
of
the
army
corps,
lieutenant
general
spellman
on
june
1st,
that's
still
on
schedule,
so
we
haven't
heard
anything
different
related
to
that.
C
The
word
of
bills,
the
water
resources
development
act
bills
that,
through
which
congress
authorizes
water
control
projects
every
couple
of
years,
they
are
moving
through
both
the
house
and
the
senate,
both
the
house
and
the
senate
committees
of
jurisdiction,
transportation
and
infrastructure
in
the
house,
energy,
public
works
and
environment.
Sorry,
my
my
lights
went
out
here,
I'm
in
the
meoc
and
anyway
I
will
stand
up
and
get
some.
This
is
great
energy
efficiency,
but
spooky
isn't
it
anyway
I'll
just
keep
going
on
hold
on.
C
That's
fine.
There
we
go
so
those
bills
are
moving
bpw
in
the
senate.
Tni
in
the
house.
That's
good!
They
do
have
language
in
there
to
allow
the
ped
phase
for
a
number
of
army
corps
projects
to
move
forward,
including
including
charleston.
So
we're
thankful
for
that
and
we're
in
touch
with
the
congressional
delegation
about
that.
You
would
still
need
a
separate
appropriation
and
we'll
see
after
the
authorization
how
that
proceeds.
C
We
would
call
the
shores
act
that
I
keep
referencing.
A
lot
of
the
language
from
the
shore
act
is
originally
introduced
are,
is
in
the
word
of
bill,
not
all
of
it.
We
are
monitoring
that
so
that's
good
again.
That
would
create
a
lot
of
flexibility
to
do
more
than
just
surge
with
army
corps
projects
and
also
focus
on
nature-based
features
and
provide
some
additional
benefits
for
benefits
for
equity.
So
this
is
an
important
thing.
C
Moving
on
the
city
and
deltarus,
and
the
department
of
homeland
security
are
in
a
project
with
on
something
called
the
community
flood
resilience
support
system
tool.
We
can
present
on
it
later
at
another
meeting
when
we
we
want
something
else
to
talk
about,
but
this
is
just
a
community
flood
planning
tool
to
go
into
the
community
with
it,
isn't
for
designing
the
size
of
pumps
and
pipes
or
anything
like
that,
but
it
allows
you
to
work
with
the
community
to
explore
various
options.
C
It's
an
exciting
tool
and
again
we're
a
pilot
for
that.
Regarding
the
water
plan
procurement,
it
was
open
and
closed
on
may
5th
and
we
have
five
very
good
proposals
in
selection
committee
will
have
its
initial
meeting
next
week
on
that
it's
encouraging,
and
I
am
hopeful
that
we
could
have
a
robust
team
on
board
starting
in
july.
Again,
that's
that's
an
ambitious
schedule,
but
I'm
hopeful
just
two
other
short
things.
C
I
attended
the
national
academy
of
science
and
engineering
and
medicine
their
work
show
up
on
nature-based
features
with
the
army
corps
engineers
in
georgia.
A
couple
weeks
back.
C
It
was
an
open
frank
discussion
about
the
policy
constraints
and
other
challenges
within
the
corps
and
within
federal
processes
to
do
nature-based
features
within
projects,
strong
commitment
by
the
core
and
others
to
try
to
do
better,
and
we
do
anticipate
the
national
academies
is
going
to
make
a
set
of
recommendations
to
congress
into
omb
in
the
white
house
to
loosen
up
the
constraints
that
the
policy
constraints
that
make
it
difficult
for
the
army
corps
engineer.
C
So
that's
encouraging
and
finally,
the
nature:
conservancy
circulates
landscape,
architects,
robinson
design,
engineers,
biohabitats
and
others
in
the
city.
We're
a
part
of
this
nature-based
exchange,
a
set
of
workshops
that
kicked
off
last
week.
There
are
five
more
planned
over
the
next
year
and
once
we're
done
with
that,
we
should
have
a
set
of
localized
recommendations
on
these
things.
Nature-Based
features
for
projects
here,
so
that's
great.
C
B
Thank
you
very
much
dale,
and
with
that
we'll
we'll
go
ahead
and
hand
it
over
to
kevin,
appreciate
that
once
again
appreciate
you
giving
this
this
presentation
kevin
looking
forward
to
it.
D
You
bet
hey
good,
dale
and
caitlin
thanks
for
the
invitation
to
share
this
dak
and
apologies
to
those
who
attended
the
core
sc
launch
a
month
ago.
Some
of
this
will
be
a
little
redundant
and
dan
you've
seen
this
many
times.
So
if
you
want
to
take
a
little
nap,
I
won't
be
offended.
Let
me
just
pull
this
up
on
the
screen
and
hopefully
can
you
all
see
the
powerpoint
now.
A
D
Okay,
so
let
me
get
this
started.
I
referenced
the
core
sc
launch
event,
which
happened
last
april.
Core
sc
is
the
acronym
for
the
center
of
resilience,
excellence
south
carolina,
it's
a
consortium
that
was
founded
a
couple
of
years
ago
by
the
aquarium,
charleston
county
municipal
government
and
the
college
of
charleston,
and
then
the
public
launch
event
was
somewhat
deferred
thanks
to
to
covet
and
the
events
of
the
last
couple
of
years.
D
But
the
premises
is
very
simple:
really
it's
to
create
a
mechanism
in
which
we
can
create
a
more
resilient
community
and
state
by
investing
in
innovative
tools
and
solutions,
both
stimulating
the
economy
and
protecting
the
environment
and
and
everything
that
we
love
here,
including
our
ourselves
and
our
families
and
our
properties.
D
And
it's
designed
such
that
these
solutions
will
be
scalable
and
replicable
not
only
around
the
state,
but
ideally
other
parts
of
the
country,
as
well
as
even
global
in
scope,
and
it
takes
a
real
emphasis
on
tapping
both
the
diverse
talent
in
our
state,
but
also
addressing
the
critical
needs
of
different
populations.
D
And
then,
finally,
it
really
is
intended
to
serve
somewhat
uniquely
as
a
as
a
point
of
intersection
between
government
entities
between
private
industry
and
the
non-profit
sector,
as
well
as
the
public
engaging
the
public
and
arriving
at
these
solutions.
D
So,
since
we've
launched
and
signed
the
mou
with
the
founding
partners,
we
brought
on
board
as
official
partners,
dominion,
energy
and
scra,
as
well
as
the
south
carolina
office
of
resilience
and
the
subtext
to
all
of
this
activity.
Is
that
it's
really
being
driven
by
the
the
notion
of
creating
a
center
of
excellence
with
nasa.
Here
in
the
charleston
region.
There
are
roughly
a
dozen
centers
of
excellence
that
nasa
operates
with
different
focuses
around
the
country,
for
instance
on
meteorology
or
space
technology
and
application.
D
And
here
we
would
have
the
very
first
nasa
center
of
excellence,
focused
on
resilience
and
nasa's,
been
a
very
proactive
partner
in
helping
us
to
achieve
this
early
scaling
and
modeling,
and
is
very
excited
that
we're
now
taking
the
additional
step
of
getting
some
funding
from
the
state
government
to
make
the
entity
official
and
then
ultimately
lead
to
nasa's
embrace
of
this
effort
and
to
have
a
footprint
here
just
very
quickly.
The
core
sc
focus
areas:
water,
energy,
connectivity,
agriculture,
natural
hazards.
D
The
intersection
with
this
three
by
three
by
three
committee
is
obviously
through
water
management
and
contending
with
sea
level
rise,
but
also
natural
hazards
and
the
impacts
that
those
could
have
related
to
our
environment.
D
So
I'm
going
to
share
with
you
this
morning,
one
of
the
early
deliverables
that
has
come
out
of
core
sc
in
the
way
of
predictive
technology,
and
by
that
we
mean
something
that
can
be
applied
to
consider
future
hazards
and
future
conditions
that
we
can
begin
to
mitigate
and
adapt
to
now,
specifically
storm
surge,
inundation
modeling,
which
is
simply
taking
from
a
data
perspective.
D
Everything
that
we
understand
in
terms
of
atmospheric
conditions
and
then
drilling
down
those
risks
to
consider
their
impacts
at
a
very
localized
level
and
I'll
show
you
what
I'm
talking
about
here
in
just
a
second,
we
and
we
being
the
south
carolina
aquarium,
invited
the
partnership
with
dr
harry
wang
and
the
virginia
institute
of
marine
science
a
few
years
ago
with
the
notion
that
there
are
many
different
competing
technologies
out
there,
but
they're
one
of
the
gold
standards
in
terms
of
innovation
and
particularly
its
application
and
their
interest
in
solving
the
some
of
the
solutions
that
are
unique
to
our
local
footprint.
D
So
what
we
asked
them
to
do
is
to
design
a
model
for
us
that
would
understand
what
would
happen
in
different
storm
conditions,
with
different
elements
of
sea
level
rise
along
our
south
carolina
coast
from
essentially
cape
romain,
which
is
the
largest
sea
turtle,
nesting
habitat
in
our
state,
all
the
way
down
to
savannah.
So
so
really
the
entire
low
country.
D
Watershed
is
part
of
the
scope
of
this
exercise,
and
once
we
received
some
very
generous
grant
support
from
eda
the
economic
development
administration,
we
were
able
to
proceed
with
this
project
and
then
folded
it
in
naturally
to
the
core
sc
portfolio
once
that
was
launched.
D
They
conducted
a
post-mortem
study
on
hurricane
sandy,
the
superstorm
more
than
a
dozen
years
ago
now
and
what
they
did
is
they
took
the
available
data
and
the
known
impacts
of
hurricane
sandy
and
tested
against
the
model
that
they
arrived
at,
and
there
was
really
just
a
stunning
accuracy
of
more
than
99
accuracy
and
the
model's
ability
to
predict
the
impacts
that
actually
occurred
through
sandy
and
they
since
rolled
out
this
technology
in
a
lot
of
other
markets
and
kyle.
D
I
know
you
and
the
folks
at
norfolk
are
obviously
very
intimately
familiar
with
with
dr
wang
and
his
team
and
the
resources
at
vims,
and
this
is
the
first
application
really
outside
of
the
northeast
for
this
vims
technology.
So
storm
surge,
inundation
modeling,
is
designed
to
allow
us
to
ask
an
infant
infinite
variety
of
what-if
questions.
D
So
what
if
a
superstorm
like
sandy
comes
along
our
shores
and
has
impact
here
what,
if
it
happens,
10
years
from
now
or
30
years
from
now,
when
we
know
that
there'll
be
an
increased
water
level?
D
What
happens
if
it's
preceded
by
a
significant
rain
event
like
we
saw
with
hurricane
matthew,
where
we
had
five
days
of
significant
rain
across
the
state
and
then
simultaneously
hurricane
matthew
appearing
not
on
the
shore,
but
you
know
several
hundred
miles
offshore,
but
creating
water
pressure
from
both
directions
and
really
unprecedented
flooding
around
the
state
and
then.
Finally,
what
can
we
do
about
this
aware
of
these
risks?
D
What
kind
of
measures
can
we
take
to
mitigate
and
adapt
to
the
effects
for,
for
example,
developing
a
sea
wall
around
peninsula
or
charleston,
and
what
we
posited
with
vims
by
sake
of
demonstration
is
what
what
would
it
look
like
if
hurricane
hugo,
which
is
sort
of
the
standard
bearer
for
the
the
worst
hurricane
in
recent
memory
in
charleston?
What,
if
that
were
to
happen
today,
and
what?
What
if
it
would
happen
with
a
wall
in
place,
as
well
as
with
without
the
wall?
D
So
that's
the
demonstration
I'm
going
to
share
with
you
in
just
a
second
I'm
not
going
to
try
to
define
all
the
multivariate
factors
that
that
inform
this.
This
model,
I'm
not
a
scientist,
I'm
not
dr
wang,
but
it
does
trade
in
a
tremendous
amount
of
data,
considering
atmospheric
conditions
for
thousands
of
kilometers
in
every
direction
that
inform
this
model,
that's
run
through
the
supercomputers,
and
then
it
resolves
those
down
to
a
very
accurate
and
localized
level
at
the
surface.
D
This
is
an
image
of
obviously
the
charleston
peninsula.
That
red
line
is
the
initial
posited
line
from
the
army
corps
of
engineers.
It's,
as
we
all
know,
has
changed
somewhat
been
modified
over
the
course
of
the
last
two
years,
but
this
is
the
the
data
that
we
had
available
when
we
started
this
project,
it's
very
similar
to
what
we
have
today,
obviously
in
many
respects,
so
that
red
line
indicates
the
the
sea
walls
activity.
D
But
you
can
continue
to
drill
down
and
get
increased
resolution
through
this
model,
all
the
way
really
to
the
subgrid
level
of
looking
at
these
triangular
applications,
which
are
embedded
with
a
tremendous
amount
of
data
and
detail
so
bathymetry.
D
You
know
water,
elevation,
topography,
the
land,
the
substrate,
the
surface,
both
built
environment
as
well
as
green
environment,
and
then
all
the
factors
atmospherically.
You
know
the
direction
of
the
wind,
the
velocity,
the
size
of
the
storm,
tidal
factors,
all
those
are
are
baked
into
this
model,
which
can
be
run
in
many
different,
different
ways,
and
this
even
drills
down
further
to
a
one
meter
resolution.
So
when
we
track
the
water
we
can,
we
can
pretty
much
determine
just
right
on
our
front
door.
D
D
D
So,
even
though
the
red
lines
are,
this
was
just
deposit
what
it
would
look
like
if
hurricane
hugo
were
to
come
back
today
and
tremendous
risk
and
exposure
to
people
and
property,
so
I'm
going
to
advance
the
slide
down,
and
now
it's
going
to
run
again,
and
what
this
will
show
is
that
the
army
course
projections
and
their
own
modeling
are
absolutely
correct.
That
a
wall
around
peninsula
or
charleston
of
some
form
would
have
tremendous
effect
on
protecting
everything
that
we
care
about.
So
here
come
the
same
waters.
D
The
same
impact
of
a
hurricane
hugo-like,
storm
and
you'll
see
the
pooling
of
the
water
along
the
eastern
peninsula,
which
that's
why
we
hit
the
aquarium
are
still
a
little
concerned
about
the
exact
alignment
here,
but
you'll
see
that
the
wall
essentially
connects
protects
the
peninsula
and
I'll.
Let
this
continue
to
run
out
for
a
second
and
I'm
going
to
show
on
the
next
slide.
What
we're
working
on
right
now,
which
is
3d
modeling
of
this
same
factor
and
dynamic.
D
This
is
a
model
with
a
little
less
resolution.
I'm
sorry
for
the
music
I
forgot
I
was
on
here,
but
it
was
done
for
hurricane
hugo.
I'm
sorry
for
hurricane
sandy
in
new
york
and
you'll,
see
the
three-dimensional
realization
of
the
model,
and
there
were
several
surges
associated
with
sandy,
so
you're
going
to
see
the
waters
come
in
and
go
out
in
a
little
bit,
you're
going
to
see
the
waters
at
their
peak
up
here.
D
This
colored
bar
on
the
right
indicates
the
height
in
meters
of
the
water,
so
it
was
a
significant
storm
with
with
devastating
effect
and
we're
just
about
to
approach
the
the
height
of
the
storm.
Here
so
you'll
start
to
see
some
red
and
violet
that
suggests
tremendous
flooding
all
across
lower
manhattan.
D
Where
do
we
stand
today?
We've
had
charleston
county
already
signed
on
as
an
early
adopter
to
use
this
technology,
but
now
that
the
cost
of
creating
this,
this
large-scale
model
is
already
funded
and
paid
for
by
eda
additional
iterations
the
model.
All
these
what-if
questions
we'd
like
to
ask
are
much
less
expensive,
and
so
this
model
is
available
in
the
aquarium
and
core
c
can
serve
as
a
partner
in
consulting
vims.
D
This
smart
model
is
available
to
any
municipality,
any
government
agency
any
corporation,
that's
planning
to
build
somewhere
in
south
carolina
to
understand
what
might
be
at
stake
and
that
can
inform
their
planning
for
the
future.
So
that's
that's
it
in
a
nutshell,
and
I
don't
know
if
there
are
any
questions.
B
E
B
E
B
Kevin,
I
that
that's
great
and
looking
forward
to
see
a
3d
modeling
piece
to
it
as
well.
Perfect,
great
thanks,
you're
welcome
and
dale
I'll
I'll
hand
to
you
to
introduce
kyle
spencer
as
well.
Thank
you.
C
Great
thanks,
so
you
know
in
my
in
my
previous
life,
we
had
worked
with
vim,
so
I
know
some
of
the
folks
up
there
there
it's
a
great
organization,
has
it
sort
of
looks
like
the
water
into
the
gulf,
but
has
a
different
mandate
to
the
state
of
virginia.
C
So
different
questions
come
to
it,
but
it's
a
wonderful
organization,
so
thanks
to
kevin
and
core
sc
and
all
the
partners
in
there
for
an
eda
for
making
that
model,
because
it
will
help
us
all
of
us
in
the
future
and
thanks
for
the
presentation,
kevin
appreciate
it.
So
the
next
stop.
One
of
the
mandates
for
the
advisory
committee
is
to
learn
what
others
are
doing.
C
I
promised
that
we
would
find
some
folks
from
other
places
that
are
fussing
around
with
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
with
a
coastal
csrm
project
kyle,
and
I
go
back
probably
about
a
decade
when,
when
kyle
was
working
for
fugro
and
doing
stormwater
management
for
the
city
of
fugo,
as
a
dutch
american
company
and
kyle,
was
in
the
stormwater
department
there
with
with
fugro,
he
moved
to
the
to
the
city
and
then
he's
now
the
the
acting
cro,
and
he
is
also
the
manager
of
the
csrm
project
that
they
have
there.
C
That
is
18
months,
two
years
into
ped,
so
kyle
and
I
talk
regularly.
He
was
in
charleston
last
year.
He
knows
our
problems
and
I
asked
him
to
tell
us
tell
you
all
about
the
the
project
they
have.
So
you
understand
the
context
of
it
and
we'll
do
more
of
these
in
the
future,
with
other
places.
Kyle
floor's,
yours,
thank
you.
E
Okay,
can
you
guys
hear
me
and
see
that
okay
yeah
yeah,
you
know
just
to
real
quickly,
chime
in
on
kevin's
talk
that
I
am
a
a
huge
supporter
of
the
work
that
vims
does,
and
I
commend
you
guys
on
building
that
type
of
model
for
your
city
that
that's
something
I
worked
with
dr
wang
and
dr
loftus
on
here
in
norfolk,
starting
back
in
probably
2014,
and
it
really
moved
the
needle
and
telling
our
story
and
ultimately
getting
getting
to
a
point
kind
of
where
we
are
today
with
this
army
corps
project.
E
It's
all
it
all
kind
of
comes
together.
So
so
anyway,.
A
E
E
A
couple
of
years
into
the
ped
process,
but
I'm
going
to
take
you
a
little
bit
through
the
entire
process
that
we've
been
through,
where
we're
going
and
you'll
see
that
that
there's
lots
of
opportunity
for
for
the
non-federal
sponsor
to
to
have
input
and
say
in
these
types
of
projects,
so
so
real
quickly.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
my
orient
you
quickly
with
norfolk.
You
know
we're
we're
very
similar,
I
think,
to
charleston.
E
You
know
we're
we're
surrounded
by
water.
Basically,
on
three
sides:
you
know
we're
a
city
defined
by
water,
so
to
speak
with
large
naval
station
largest
naval
station
in
the
world.
Third
largest
port
facility,
and
lots
of
you
know
commercial
industries
and
recreation
that
happen
around
our
waterways.
Here
at
the.
B
E
Of
chesapeake
bay-
and
we
have
a
lot
of
the
same
flooding
challenges
as
you
guys
we're
seeing
the
sea
level
rise.
Phenomenon
relative
sea
level
rise.
Norfolk
is
the
second
highest
to
new
orleans
on
the
east
coast.
E
So
we're
you
know,
sort
of
ground
zero
for
a
lot
of
the
challenges
that
communities
like
ours
are
facing
and-
and
you
can
see
in
this
image
here,
you
know-
we've
got
a
very
built
out
city
we're
about
95
developed,
so
we
are
seeing
as
more
rain
falls
from
the
sky.
More
runoff
into
our
system
to
to
deal
with
the
groundwater
is
rising
with
the
sea
levels.
E
So
you
put
all
these
things
together
and,
and
it
creates
a
lot
of
of
hard
work
for
for
us
and
but
we're,
but
we're
focused
on
turning.
You
know
these
challenges
into
opportunities
and
and
and
through
innovation
as
well.
I
know
it's
tough
with
the
army
corps,
but
I
think
today,
you'll
see
some
ways
where
the
core
is
actually
open-minded
to
to
some
of
these
innovative
techniques
that
we're
testing
out
in
norfolk,
where
we
see
ourselves
as
a
living
laboratory
to
to
develop
these
new
resilience.
E
Innovations
similar
to
the
goals
that
that
kevin
was
speaking
to
with
the
core
project,
so.
E
You
know
lay
the
foundation
here
a
bit
with
with
the
risks
that
we're
talking
about.
I
got
a
couple
slides
to
bring
that
home.
If
you
take
all
the
high
the
25
highest
water
levels,
that
happened
at
the
sewels,
which
is
basically
you
know
the
gauge
that
the
news
and
everybody
in
our
region
uses
to
to
sort
of
predict
water
levels
and
storms
around
all
the
weather,
men,
all
the
weather.
E
Water
levels-
half
of
them
have
occurred
since
the
year
2000
and-
and
so
you
know
it's
just
sort
of
it's
clear
to
us
in
the
data
we
have
our
own
tide,
gauges
and
sensors-
we're
seeing
it
in
our
data
as
well
that
this
is
happening
more
frequently
and
more
severe
around
plus
four,
this
this
orange
line,
I
have
that's
about
when
the
city
begins
to
kind
of
shut
down
services.
We
won't
pick
up
trash
in
certain
neighborhoods.
E
You
know
so
that's
a
threshold
that
we
like
to
use
a
lot
in
our
discussions
with
the
corps
as
well.
That's
when
we
typically
would
operate
our
existing
floodwall
gates
and
close
those
off,
and
so
you
know
just
to
take
a
look
at
downtown
norfolk.
You
know
we
have
a
core
downtown,
really
the
only
core
business
district
downtown
in
hampton
roads
like
this,
so
so
we
have
lots
of
influx
of
residents
coming
into
downtown
and
leaving
as
well
at
the
north
part
of
the
city
at
the
base.
E
We
have
over
80
000
daily
commuters
to
the
base
and
so
we're
an
important
city
trying
trying
to
maintain
and
over
the
years
they've
our
ancestors,
you
know
have
created.
You
know
these.
These
unintended
consequences
for
us
where
they
filled
in
these
old
creek
beds.
E
E
We
flood
where
we
filled,
and
this
is
something
that
dale
and
I
worked
together
with
with
the
dutch
on
during
our
dutch
dialogues.
We've
created
a
lot
of
these
types
of
maps
and
work
through
workshops.
I
know
you
guys
have
have
done
a
dust
dialogues
in
charleston
and-
and
I
think
those
those
are
great
efforts
and
those
are
things
that
we're
trying
to
to
feed
into
the
core
process.
E
I
guess
you
could
say,
as
we
as
we
reimagine
our
city
in
the
future
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
as
well.
So
in
the
army
corps
process,
this
is
a
workflow
chart
that
they
provided
in
a
slide
deck
a
couple
years
ago,
but
this
is
basically
the
csrm
process
and
I
put
in
here
on
this
flowchart
these
black
dates
to
kind
of
give
you
an
idea
of
how
long
we've
been
at
this
in
norfolk.
Our
pro
our
project
was
was
identified
as
problem
identification
step.
E
The
first
step
was:
was
the
part
of
the
north
atlantic
comprehensive
coastal
study
that
the
corps
of
engineers
did
after
hurricane
sandy,
and
that
report
was
was
the
final
report
was
released
in
in
january
of
2015.
E
and
and
so
that
that's
where
norfolk
was
identified
as
as
a
locality
that
needed
to
to
be
evaluated
for
the
you
know,
for
the
feasibility
of
building
a
coastal
storm,
flood
system,
flood
protection
system,
and
so
we
started
that
feasibility
study
in
2016
and
and
that's
around
the
time
the
city's
office
of
resilience
was
was
created
a
little
bit
after
that.
This
is
around
the
time
we
were
applying
for
the
national
disaster,
resilience,
competition,
and
so
our
office
took
over
the
management
of
this
project
because
it
was
a
long-term.
E
You
know
sort
of
project
that
that
we
really
honestly
didn't
think
would
be
constructed
in
any
of
our
lifetimes
we've.
We
had
an
authorized
project
to
nourish
the
beaches
along
the
bay
in
1984,
and
we
did
not
nourish
those
beaches
until
2016
and
17.,
so
that
was
sort
of
the
timeline
that
we
thought
this
project
would
be
under.
Fortunately,
for
us,
in
a
lot
of
the
country,
the
the
infrastructure,
investment
jobs
act
really
changed
the
game
for
us.
E
Congress
authorized
that
project
under
the
word
of
bill,
water,
resource
development,
act
of
2020
and
a
little
bit
of
a
nuance
here,
but
we
actually
got
in
the
appendix
of
the
2018
word,
which
allowed
us
to
kind
of
start
ped
with
a
small
amount
of
money.
Ped
really
doesn't
pick
up.
The
pre-construction
engineering
design
phase
doesn't
really
pick
up
until
step
12
here,
but
you
can
see
you
know
we
we
were
authorized
in
2020.
E
E
The
design
agreement
was
signed
in
2019,
but
we
got
to
work
in
2020,
rolling
up
our
sleeves
and
starting
doing
a
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
early
stages
of
ped,
and
I
have
a
list
of
some
of
those
items
here
in
a
second
and
then
what
we're
going
towards.
Now
that
we've
got
into
this
construction
phase.
E
You
can
see
the
legend
here
we're
trying
to
get
to
this
construction
phase,
we're
you
know
we're
still
sort
of
technically
impaired,
because
we
haven't
signed
our
project
partnership
agreement,
which
codifies
all
the
things
that
are
involved
with
a
new
start
construction.
So
we're
going
to
go
from
everything
in
ped
is
going
to
kind
of
roll
into
this.
E
This
phase
down
here
and
and
keep
in
mind
you
can
do
engineering
and
design
during
a
construction
designation
by
the
core,
so
they
call
it
construction
but
but
you're,
you
know
you're
still
designing
many.
You
know
it's
a
large
project,
large
pieces
to
it
and
so
you're
breaking
it
up
into
pieces
and
so
you're
designing
azure
buildings
along
the
way,
and
I
have
some
examples
of
that.
Our
project
was
a
1.4
billion
dollar
project
in
the
cost
estimates
in
in
our
csrm
study.
E
That
was,
you
know,
2019
report
the
the
dollars
for
a
lot
of
that
were
more
like
2017
and
18.
Just
because
that's
how
long
it
kind
of
takes
to
to
clean
up
the
report
and
submit
it
and
reviews
and
everything
to
the
core
process.
So
so
we've
updated
our
numbers
just
recently,
actually
to
2022.
E
and
that
that
project
is
now
1.8
billion
dollars.
So
and
so
our
our
35
on
top
of
that
just
to
do
some
quick
math
is,
is
over
600
million
dollars
and
so
right
now
we
are
working
through
that
process
process
of
our
of
our
funding.
E
But
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that,
so
here's
here's
the
risk
that
that
we
that
we
built
we're
building
our
project
to
the
level
of
risk
that
we're
seeing
in
our
city,
this
entire
area
up
here
that
I'm
circling
is
the
norfolk
naval
station
largest
naval
base
in
the
world,
and
this
corner
right
here
is
our:
is
our
international
terminal
that
the
virginia
port
authority
operates
and
maintains?
E
And
then
there's
a
large
terminal
down
here,
a
coal
terminal,
and
so
the
core
under
under
this
authorization,
is
not
allowed
to
do
work
on
the
base.
It's
a
it's
a
civil
works
project
and
so
they're
not
allowed
to
use
those
funds
on
dod
facilities.
E
Again,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
parallels
here
to
to
your
communities
down
there,
and
so
this
is
what
we're
trying
to
protect
against.
You
know
they
do
this
optimization
and
the
feasibility
study
to
come
up
with
the
the
storm
event
that
you're
able
to
design
to
and-
and
you
know
to
get
the
right
economics
and
so
we're
we're
not
designing
to
the
army
corps.
100
year
flood
we're
designing
to
the
army
corps.
It's
a
it's
really
about
a
a
50
year.
E
There's
a
1.4
chance
every
year
that
we
could
see
this
storm
event.
You
see
on
the
screen,
and
so
what
we
did
was
we
came
up
with
a
plan
to
stop
that,
and
so
this
is
the
before
future.
Without
a
project.
Here's
the
future
with
a
project.
E
Now,
there's
there's
large,
you
know,
there's
a
legend
here,
large
surge
barriers
across
this
lafayette
river.
Here
this
is
a
a
large
river
estuary,
we're
completely
tidal.
We
don't
have
any
riverine
flooding
in
norfolk,
all
of
our
100
year.
All
of
our
flood
zone,
mapping
by
fema
is
a
coastal
mapping
exercise
and,
by
the
way,
this
2075
event
that
we're
designing
to
under
the
core
guidelines
is
much
higher
level
of
protection
than
the
fema
100
years.
E
So
the
fema
and
the
core
don't
use
the
same
modeling
in
numbers
and
and
so
the
100
year.
Annual
flood
in
norfolk
is
we'll
call
it
eight
to
nine
feet
times.
Our
design
level
for
this
project
is
around
11.5
and
then
in
some
areas
where
we
have
the
wind
and
the
fetch,
the
the
protection
has
more
vertical
height
to
it,
up
to
16.5
feet,
and
that's
the
count
for
waves
and
and
wave
run
up
and
and
over
topping
so
16.5
feet
is
the
level
navd.
E
88
basically
means
sea
level
that
we're
protecting
too.
I
don't
recall
what
what
your
level
of
protection
is
down
there,
but
I
believe
it's
lower,
and
so
that's
a
that's
a
significant
structure,
but
we've
got
large
floodgates
going
across
the
mouth
of
this
river.
You
know
this
is
about
a
half
a
billion
dollar
gate
on
its
own
and
not
just
one
big
gate.
E
There's
a
there's,
a
sector
gate
in
the
middle
and
skates
little
openings
along
the
way
for
tidal,
flushing
perimeter
walls
kind
of
through
around
downtown,
we'll
have
a
small
gate
here
at
the
hague,
more
walls
and
berms
we're
not
you
know
where
we
have
the
space
on
the
ground.
We
we
are
pushing
the
core
to
put
in
more
green
infrastructure
than
than
the
gray
walls
and
I'll
talk
about
that
some
more
this
area
here,
that's
in
blue
that
that's
our
ohio,
creek
and
drc
project.
This
map
is
a
little
bit
outdated.
E
It
should
be
white
and
not
flooded,
because
we
are
in
the
last
year
of
construction
for
that.
So
we're
super
excited
on
that
one.
One
more
large
gate,
another
gate
up
here
as
well
on
this
north
end
of
the
city,
and
then
this
lake
has
a
weir
box.
So
that's
high
enough
elevation.
It's
not
tidally
influenced!
E
E
You
can't
build
1.8
billion
dollars
and
and
one
in
one
go
you've
got
to
break
it
up,
and
so
we
we've
focused
the
core
on
this.
We
have
an
existing
downtown
flood
wall,
so
we're
basically
starting
there.
One
end
of
it
and
working
our
way
to
protect
the
rest
of
downtown
and
some
critical
communities
that
that
are
severely
underserved
and
and
are
our
lowest
income
and
most
socially
vulnerable
communities,
we're
protecting
them
as
well
in
this
first
phase.
E
So
to
give
you
an
idea
of
of
the
of
the
funding
again
remember
three
by
three
by
three:
it's
a
50
50
cost
share
for
us
and
then
the
pet
phase
that
we
started
out
in
again
before
we
got
to
the
new
start.
This
year
we
had
8.4
million
and
that
was
a
cost
share
65.35,
and
so
our
share
of
that
8.4
was
around
2.9.
E
But
again
we're
focused
down
here.
We've
got
these
priorities,
we're
doing
this.
You
know
core
downtown,
then
we're
going
to
hop
over
here
to
this
area
and
then
this
large
barrier
and
then
this
barrier,
where
you
see
the
hatching,
those
are
non-structural
things.
Those
are
house
raising,
basement
bills,
flood
proofing
and
some
buyouts,
and
so
there's
some
areas
of
city
where
it
just
wasn't
cost
didn't
make
sense
for
the
benefit
cost
ratios
to
to
build
a
structural
protection
system,
and
so
these
areas
and
hatch
are
are
the
non-structural.
E
But
you
know
some
of
that
is
a
little
bit
disappointing
that
they
that
this
entire
area
doesn't
get
a
structural
measure.
It's
a
it
has
two
historic
neighborhoods,
primarily
african-american
communities,
and
so
we
we
do
get
heartburn
over
that
environmental,
justice
and
and
equity.
Your
big
deal
in
norfolk
with
the
new
administration
in
the
white
house.
E
That
is
also
a
priority,
and
so
we
hope
to
kind
of
work
through
some
of
those
topics
with
the
core
as
we
move
forward
and
so
looking
at
the
dollars
in
the
iija,
it
was
a
400
million
dollar.
It
was
in
two
two
allocations.
We
had
250
million
that
came
to
us
in
the
beginning
of
the
year
and
then
a
couple
weeks
or
months
later,
beginning
of
april.
I
guess
it
was.
They
announced
another
disbursement,
so
we
had
250
plus
150
got
us
to
400
million.
E
E
Because
again,
this
is
the
largest
type
of
investment
our
city's
ever
ever
had
to
come
up
with
and
then
and
that
that
those
dollars
go
towards
developing
those
plans
and
specs
again,
you
can
do
design
and
begin
the
construction
on
that
citywide
plan
and,
as
you
show
progress
and
as
you
keep
moving,
the
federal
government
will
keep
funding
this.
They
have
to
build
the
entire
system.
E
No
holes
in
the
system
are
allowed
so
and
they've
they've
proved
that
that
down
in
new
orleans
this
past
year
with
hurricane
ida
and
others,
so
they're
they're
keen
on
making
sure
we
build
the
entire
system.
So
once
that
boulder
starts
rolling
down
the
hill,
it's
going
to
go
all
the
way
to
the
bottom.
E
When
you
look
at
our
city
again,
this
color-coded
map
is
matching
up.
I'm
matching
it
up
with
these
sort
of
gantt
chart
looking
time
tables
here,
so
that
all
the
orange
area,
everything
protected
by
this
red
line,
that's
colored
in
orange,
is
where
we're
starting
and
you
can
see
we're
staggering.
The
designs
which
are
the
colors,
the
gray,
our
construction,
and
with
that
615
million.
We
think
we
can
get
one
two
and
three
and
start
piloting
some
different
non-structural
design,
pieces,
they're.
So
nuanced
every
site
is
almost
has
its
own.
E
You
know
things
to
deal
deal
with
that
are
unique,
and
so
we
want
to
get
some
good
examples
of
a
slab
of
a
crawl
space
of
a
basement
fill
various
different
examples
of
age,
historic
properties,
not
historic
and
start
piling.
Some
of
those
we're
carving
out
you
know,
30
million
or
so
to
work
on
that
and
the
rest
we're
going
to
work
through
design
and
begin
construction.
E
We've
got
a
large
event
happening
in
2026,
downtown
the
sale
250,
so
we're
trying
to
avoid
construction
of
our
in
the
downtown
area
until
that
that
has
happened.
So
you
can
see
this
town
point
park
that
park.
That
was
in
the
first
image.
We
won't
begin
that
construction
until
the
the
federal
fiscal
year
quarter.
Four,
these
are
all
federal
fiscal
years
up
to
the
top
sorry,
so
so
again,
we'll
work
through
as
we're
designing
some
of
these
areas.
We
we
could.
E
If
we
have
funding,
we
can
be
designing
other
parts
of
the
city
and
now
at
first
the
core
came
to
us
with
this
diagram
and
everything
was
really
stacked
on
top
of
each
other
and
not
spread
out
so
much
in
around
26
27,
and
we
said
well,
you
know
during
those
two
years
you
you
have
us
needing
to
provide
like
300
million
dollars
in
two
years
and
that's
not
something
you
can
probably
do
so
we're
trying
to
spread
these
construction
phases
out
so
they're,
not
all
on
top
of
each
other
at
the
same
time.
E
E
That
phase
one
construction,
I'm
going
to
talk
about,
what's
involved
with
that
now
this
is
just
a
zoomed.
In
view
of
that
map,
again,
everything
in
orange
will
be
protected
and
we're
going
around
the
some
critical
facilities
are
our
trauma
center
and
largest
hospital.
The
children's
hospital
evms
medical
school
and
accord
downtown
again.
Tyler
guards
is
one
of
those
public
housing
communities
were
redeveloping,
and
so
we
had
chares
with
the
corps.
It's
a
kind
of
a
you
know.
I
don't
think
it's
something
the
norfolk
district
anyway
had
done
before.
E
This
is
something
I
think.
Maybe
some
of
you
are
familiar
with
with
like
the
dutch
dialogues,
where
you
basically
bring
everybody
in
the
room
and
you
roll
up
your
sleeves
with
trace
paper,
and
you
start
drawing
on
things,
and
it's
just
you
know,
brainstorming
almost
ideas
and
then
those
get
defined
and
redefined
and
it's
more
of
a
design
drawing.
But
each
box
here
represents
a
charette
that
we
did
so
we
did
four
really
five
charettes
with
the
core
we
kind
of
well.
E
We
did
four,
we
kind
of
combined
these
these
two
over
here,
but
but
we
spent
all
day
in
the
room,
working
with
them
and
a
good
example
of
what
comes
out
of
that
is
this
segment
right
here
again.
This
is
that
that
critical
downtown
park
they
had
a
wall
going
through
here,
so
you
would
be
driving
along.
You
wouldn't
see
the
river
anymore,
you
won't
see
any
anything
but
a
wall
and
and
that
that
wasn't
acceptable
to
us.
E
So
we
did
the
charette
and
now
that's
going
to
be
a
berm,
and
I
can
show
you
some
examples
with
you
know
what
I
mean
by
that
a
berm
or
a
levy,
we're
rebuilding
all
the
promenade
back
here
and
there's
a
lot
of
design
challenges
with
that
with
these
old
built-in
existing
buildings
and
the
core
was
flexible
and
came
up
with
some
innovative
ways
to
work
through
that
where
we
have
the
space
again,
these
parking
lots
near
the
ball
field,
we're
going
to
build
the
levee
or
the
berm
there's
going
to
be
four
pump
stations
as
part
of
this
project
and
those
will
be
designed
and
built
by
the
core
as
well
and
then
we're
having
to
work
through
a
large
development.
E
That's
happening
concurrently
in
the
city.
A
casino
is
being
proposed
right
here,
next
to
the
ball
field,
and
so
they're
designing
and
building
the
flood
protection
to
the
core
standard
as
part
of
their
project
at
first
they
were
not
interested
in
going
to
that
level
of
protection,
but
through
negotiations
through
workshopping,
you
know
lots
of
hand-holding
we're
getting
them
there.
There
we
found
a
solution.
I
can
talk
about
what
that
looks
like
so
that's
the
detail,
and
when
I
talk
about
these
charrettes
this
is
this
is
what
I
mean
we
were.
E
E
The
mayor
did
throw
curveball
at
us
last
night
we
presented
an
update
to
city
council
and,
and
he's
like,
why
don't
we
just
close
this
whole
road
right
through
here
and
make
the
park
big,
and
so
we
might
redo
this
part,
I'm
not
sure,
but
but
but
again,
this
is
just
something
where
the
core
did
come
in
with
one
idea
and
we
we
worked
through
them
with
a
different
idea.
This
is
a
key
kind
of
view
shed,
and
so
we
we're
pointing
this
out.
E
We
want
gates
right
there
to
make
sure
we
don't
lose,
that
line
of
sight
back
to
the
river
the
types
of
flood
protection
we're
talking
about
here
in
downtown.
We
we
have
an
existing
eyewall
flood
wall
and
those
some
of
those
had
issues
during
katrina,
and
so
the
core
says
if
it's
higher
than
six
feet
above
the
ground,
your
wall
needs
to
be
this.
This
t-wall
design,
basically
an
upside-down
tee,
and
this
t-wall
has
these
battered
piles
of
it.
E
They're
angled
piles
that
they
get
hammered
into
the
ground,
and
so,
when
you're,
when
you're,
surrounded
by
existing
buildings
and
infrastructure,
these
can
be
a
challenge,
and
so
the
corps
went
to
went
to
work
and
they
came
up
with
this
bin
wall
concept.
It's
basically
a
gravity-supported
wall.
E
You
fill
this
this
bin,
like
a
trash
bin
with
with
dirt
soil,
rocks
and
and
then
you
can
pave
the
top
of
it
and
put
it
as
a
trail
and
there's
a
little
parapet
wall
that
you
can,
you
can
either
have
permanently
sticking
up
or
you
can
deploy
on
it,
and
this
is
something
they
haven't
been
doing
really.
So
this
is
the
this
is
again
a
kind
of
innovative
for
the
core,
so
to
speak,
and
then
again,
I
think
we
all
understand
where
the
earth
and
levy
is
so.
E
E
We
we
struggled
to
find
some
of
these
older
buildings
drawings
with
the
piles
and
how
they're
built
all
this
again
is
is
filled
land,
so
we're
we're
sitting
on
top
of
piles
that
are,
you
know,
100
feet
long
or
so,
and
so
today
you
walk
out,
you
go
down
and
you
can
go
out
to
the
marina
when
the
future
we're
going
to
build
this
thing
up
way
higher
than
it
was
before,
and
you
can
basically
go
straight
out
now
and
then
we'll
have
to
redo
some
of
the
gameways
and
the
steps
down
to
the
marina
and
we
are
working
with
them
on.
E
You
know
what
that
means
to
them
and,
and
they
at
first
were
hesitant
once
they
realized
what
we
were
talking
about.
They
saw
the
opportunity
to
to
update
some
of
their
facility
since
we're
going
to
be
impacting
it
so
so
we're
coordinating
those
types
of
things.
Some
things
become
a
betterment
and
that's
a
term
the
core
uses
where
the
non-federal
sponsor.
E
May
you
know
if
they
want
to
dress
something
up
or
make
it
look?
You
know
maybe
yeah.
I
use
the
the
the
you
know,
the
sunday
kind
of
analogy.
You
know
plain
vanilla
versus
the
chocolate
sundae.
So
so,
if
you
want
the
chocolate
sundae,
sometimes
you
may
have
to
throw
in
a
little
bit
more
of
your
dollars,
but
they
can't
stop
the
functionality
of
a
marina.
So
they
will
have
to
keep
that
working
and
rebuild
some
of
the
docks
back
themselves.
E
But
you
know,
depending
on
the
details
of
that,
that
may
have
to
come,
maybe
over
over
cost.
So
we're
working
on
the
casino,
like
I
said,
we're
incorporating
a
trail
system
and-
and
you
can
kind
of
see
on
here,
but
there's
there's
a
wall
right
here
with
deployable.
So
in
this
section
they
want
walls
to
pop
up.
So
the
base
of
that
deployable
is
around
11
feet
and
then
the
extra
four
or
five
feet
we
need
is
going
to
deploy
and
just
it's
recessed
in
the
ground.
E
It's
going
to
pop
up,
and
these
are
the
areas
where
they
have
the
most
view
shed
and
want
to
look
out.
There's
other
areas
where
they're
going
to
slide
in
stop
logs.
They
call
them
and-
and
those
are
again
you're-
only
deploying
these
when
the
worst
of
the
worst
storm
comes
so
99
of
the
time.
E
You'll
never
see
these
things,
but
the
city
will
have
to
operate,
maintain
them
and
test
them
once
a
year
throughout
the
project,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
real
quickly,
some
of
the
pet
activities
that
are
involved
and
really
until
you
do
some
of
this
site
characterization.
E
You
get
some
flexibility
and
change
things,
but
these
are
some
of
the
activities
we
started
back
in
2020
and
it's
kind
of
slow
going
with
the
core,
and
so
we've
also
brought
in
our
own
city
contractors
to
speed
things
up
like
interior
drainage
analysis,
we
already
had
the
models
built
for
much
of
downtown
for
other
projects,
and
so
we
could
just
take
that
and
run
with
it
for
faster
and
quicker
you're,
going
to
do
more
detailed
design,
drawings,
you're,
going
to
update
your
project
costs
and
and
develop
the
schedule
in
ped
and
and
and
then
really
the
real
estate
coordination
is
a
key
aspect
of
the
project.
E
It's
something
they're
always
warning
us
about,
and
so
you
want
to
be
thinking
really
far
ahead
on
the
real
estate
needs.
Getting
your
land
certified,
getting
getting
all
that
squared
away
environmental
cleanup
et
cetera.
Those
two
aspects
are
100.
The
responsibility
of
the
non-federal
sponsor
some
of
those
activities
do
count
towards
your
35
percent.
E
Even
if
you
already
own
the
property
and
stuff,
you
can
still
appraise
it
and
get
credit
for
that
and
you're
35.
So
so
you
know
again:
we've
got
the
design
agreement
and
you
do
a
design
agreement,
a
project
management
plan
during
ped,
and
then
you
create
the
ppa
when
you
go
into
construction
and
then
and
then
yeah
you
work
through
that
qaqc
quality
assurance
quality
control
and
risk
assessment
during
pet
as
well
kind
of
just
refreshing.
E
Everything
in
the
feasibility
study-
and
this
coastal
analysis
is
a
key
aspect,
especially
for
us
with
the
floodgates
a
lot
of
our
ngos
and
others
that
care
about.
We
all
care
about
the
water
quality
and
and
and
the
cleanup
that's
been
going
on
in
our
rivers,
and
so
they
they're
they
want
to
make
sure
we
have
the
proper,
tidal,
flushing
and
everything,
and
so
that
coastal
analysis
informs
the
design
quite
a
bit
and
that's
something
we're
working
on
as
well.
E
So
as
we
just
sort
of
last
slide
as
we
transition
out
of
ped
we're
again
we're
developing
that
project
partnership
agreement,
it's
going
to
codify
the
construction
phasing
a
financial
plan,
a
joint
communication
plan.
That's
probably
one
of
the
most
important
things
you
can
do
and
be
working
on
that
heavily
in
bed
as
well.
E
We're
creating
a
website
we
launched
it
last
night
as
well,
for
this
project
and
and
the
communication
plan
you
know
has
your
talking
points
has-
has
all
the
all
the
you
know,
meetings
you're
planning
to
go
to
and
that
sort
of
thing
it's
a
it's
a
lengthy
document,
all
that
gets
kind
of
rolled
up
in
the
ppa,
our
city.
Our
office
is
relatively
small
and
so
for
us
to
keep
managing
this
project.
E
We
get
do
get
help
from
public
works
and
other
departments
we're
going
to
bring
on
a
large
put
out
a
large
contract,
a
request
for
proposals
to
bring
on
a
program
management
contractor
to
kind
of
oversee
all
these
various
aspects
help
us
oversee
all
these
various
aspects
and
and
work
through
those
and
so
we're
working
on
getting
that
out
there
and
then
our
again
we're
trying
to
get
the
state
to
help
and
the
state
does
have
a
community
flood
preparedness
fund
grant
program
that
we
did
recently
asked
for
28
million
out
of
not
sure
if
we'll
get
that,
but
it's
just
sort
of
our
way
of
starting
that
conversation.
E
We
have
a
new
governor
new
administration
up
there
in
richmond,
so
it's
and
then
we
kind
of
flipped
parties.
E
So
so
it's
a
little
bit
of
different
conversation
with
the
republican
governor
than
we've
had
previously
with
the
democratic
governor
and
so
so
we're
working
through
getting
the
state
on
board,
and
these
are
some
of
the
fun
funds
that
we've
gotten
from
the
state
thus
far
to
do
value
engineering
that
coastal
analysis,
our
original
ped
project
did
not
have
enough
funds
to
do
those
elements,
and
so
we
requested
it
to
do
that
ourselves
with
state
funding
and
we
received
those,
and
then
we
found
out
a
few
weeks
later
that
we
got
our
project
funded
by
the
iaja.
E
So
anyway,
just
you
know
lots
of
lots
of
funding
in
here
to
work
through
it.
So
I
think
I
think
that's
all
I've
got.
I
know
I've
talked
a
lot,
I'm
sure
there's
some
questions
so
I'll,
just
stop
there
and
and
and
see.
If
I
can
answer
questions.
B
Thank
you
very
much
kyle.
It's
huge,
hugely
appreciated,
giving
this
presentation
and
great
to
see
y'all
are
you
know,
I
think,
just
a
step
ahead
of
us
here.
So
it's
great
to
see
some
of
the
stuff
we've
talked
about
in
in
theory,
you
know
being
put
into
practice,
but
with
that
I'll,
you
know
we
have
about
five
minutes
left
in
the
regularly
scheduled
time,
but
can
certainly
if
y'all
wouldn't
mind,
certainly
stick
around
answer
those
questions,
but
I'll
open
up
the
floor.
B
If
there
are
any
any
questions,
susan,
I
see
your
hand
up.
Please
please
go
for
it.
A
Sorry
about
that,
thank
you
so
much
this.
It
helps
visualize
where
we
may
be
headed,
which
is
great.
I
wanted
to
ask
you
what
the
community
response
has
been
to
this
and
whether
you
had
any
issues
with
the
your
city
council
governing
board
in
moving
ahead,
because
we
have
that
here.
E
So
our
I
think,
fortunately
in
our
city,
our
our
city
council
mayor,
have
always
been
supportive
of
this
project
going
back
to
those
earlier
years.
So
I
think
where,
where
they
get
nervous,
is,
is
again
being
transparent
and
communicating
as
best
we
can
the
reality
of
the
situation,
especially
in
areas
like
the
non-structural
like
what
that
really
means.
That's
an
area.
E
They
pointed
out
last
night
that
we
need
to
be
focused
on,
but
our
city
council
has
been
pretty
bold
over
the
years
with,
with
the
most
resilient
zoning
code
in
america
that
we
we
can
tell
you
know
you
can't
build
slab
on
grade.
You
can't
you
know,
so
we
have
a
stringent
freeboard
requirement
for
flood
zones.
E
So
so
I
think
in
our
city
we
really,
I
think,
got
past
some
of
that
over
the
years
10
years
ago,
completely
different
story,
probably,
but
I
think
this
the
data
collection
telling
that
story
of
the.
Why
has
has
gotten
us?
You
know
to
this
point
where
we
don't
get
a
lot
of
of
opposition.
Now
the
funding
obviously
is
scary.
E
You
know
to
figure
out,
but
I
think
you
know
we've
got
a
a
good
team
working
on
that
as
well,
so
I
think
we're
just
kind
of
showing
giving
them
confidence
so
for
that
on.
On
top
of
it,
thank
you.
B
Can
you
flush
out
the
funding
planning
piece
a
bit?
That's
a,
I
think,
whatever
common
concern
here,
as
well
as
I'm
sure
everywhere,.
E
Yeah,
so
so
they
do
have,
they
do
give
us
estimates
for
each
of
these
large
pieces
and
and
the
way
they
talk
about
funding
when
you
get
into
like
the
big
numbers.
Is
they
typically
want
before
they
can
execute
a
contract?
So
you
see
you
know
they
would
want
the
funding
ahead
of
that,
and
so
so
you
have.
E
You
have
time
to
work
through
it
and
plan
and
figure
it
out
because
again
we're
a
couple
years
still
so,
there's
time
for
us
to
work
through
finding
our
the
funding
sources
and
and
putting
it.
You
know
that
full
stack
together.
You
know
this
the
first.
E
The
first
way
we're
approaching
it
right
now
is
with
a
ci,
a
capital
improvement
program
projects.
We've
carved
out
70
million
over
the
next
two
years
in
our
cip
for
this
project,
where
it
goes
from
there.
I'm
not
sure
our
neighbors
at
the
beach
did
a
bond
referendum
to
to
do
flood
control
projects
with
with
those
funds,
but
they
they
did
not
have
a
csrm,
and
you
know
our
our.
E
I
think
our
thoughts
on
that
idea
right
now
would
be
not
to
hold
a
bond
referendum
because
it
kind
of
gives
the
idea
that
there's
an
op
there's
an
option
out
of
this,
and
I
don't
and
we
don't.
We
don't
want
people
to
be
able
to
say
no
necessarily
so
so
I
think
how
we,
how
we
get
there
that
full
amount
is,
is
not
fully
understood
yet,
but
again,
you've
got
time
and
I
think
there's
there's
lots
of
ways
to
to
do
it.
E
I
don't
I
don't
know
if,
if
the
state
you
know
of
south
carolina,
it
would
get
behind
you
guys
on
this.
I
know
in
louisiana.
Dale
probably
knows
better,
but
there's
some
states
that
cover
the
entire
non-federal
share.
So
so
we're
just
sort
of
look
doing
that
we're
trying
to
figure
out
different
models.
What
would
work,
but
but
it
takes
a
lot
of
time
working
with
our
budget
and
finance
office
to
and
their
consultants
to
to
figure
it
out.
We
don't,
we
don't
have
to
figure
it
out
yet.
D
Yeah,
I
know
we're
running
short
on
time,
but
kyle
you
mentioned
the
the
betterments
and
along
the
parkway
and
the
berm
and
maybe
even
elimination
of
the
road.
Can
you
share
how
pervasive
betterments
are
throughout
the
scope
of
the
entire
plan.
E
Yeah,
so
we
so
far,
no,
they
have
not
identified
any
specific
betterments
we're
relatively
early
in
the
design.
We
expect
35
drawings
this
summer,
but
but
the
the
district
commander
here,
colonel
hallberg,
has
told
his
staff
that
he
wants
to
push
the
envelope
here.
Do
everything
they
can
in
their
power
to
not
to
minimize
betterments.
E
We've
also
had
folks
from
north
atlantic
division,
come
down
and
and
supported
this
project.
The
since
secretary
of
the
army
was
down
recently,
and
so
all
those
same
folks
are
hearing
people
like
me,
and
others
say
you
know
how
important
this
project
is
and
and
and
the
the
issues
with
it
and
and
betterments
come
up
and
they've
also
reinstated
to
the
colonel
to
do
everything
you
can
to
minimize
the
betterment.
E
So
so
we
don't
know
what
the
betterments
are
yet,
but
I
I
feel
good
that
they're
at
least
being
asked
to
to
minimize
them.
You
know,
for
a
good
example,
would
be
the
pump
stations
the
pump
station
we
have
currently
with
the
flow
wall.
Is
this
big
ugly
box
and
nobody
else
in
the
city
can
build
a
building
like
that
downtown?
E
It's
got
to
look
feel
a
certain
way,
and
so
the
core
is
going
to
have
to
do
that
now
they
may,
they
may
say
some
of
that
architectural
features
of
the
outside
of
the
building
maybe
become
a
betterment,
but
they
haven't
said
that
yet
so
so
we're
still
waiting
to
see
great.
Thank
you.
B
Very
great
question:
dale,
I
mean
jeez
great
question,
kevin
sorry
kind
of
getting
over
a
cold
but
but
yeah
and
thanks
for
the
answer,
kyle
any
anybody
else,
any
other
questions
or
comments
or
thoughts.
There.
B
Great
well
kyle,
there
may
be
some
that
come
up
after
after
the
cali
and
kevin
there
may
be
some
that
come
up
after
the
fact
and
may
may
fire
those
off
to
you
ad
hoc.
If,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
it
just
there
are
a
lot
of
similarities
from
from
stuff
that
we're
dealing
with
so
it
was,
it
was
still
kind
of
digesting
all
of
it.
Of
course,
yeah.
E
And
I'm
happy
to
share
the
slide
deck
with
dale.
If
you
get
you
know
just
so,
you
have
something
to
refer
back
to.
If
you
need
to
that's
not
well.
B
Yeah
it'd
be
great,
I
mean
just
like
y'all.
We
have
a
mix
of
public
land,
private
land
alignment
constraints.
You
know
it's,
it's
a
lot
of
similarities
so
appreciate
all
the
information
there
and
that'd
be
great.
If
you
could
share
the
presentation.
C
Sure
yeah,
just
let
me
add
here
so
the
norfolk
project.
You
saw
those
four
distinct
non-connected
aspects
of
the
protection
right,
whereas
in
charleston
we
have
one
sort
of
structure
that
is
intended
for
the
peninsula.
The
miami
project
is
sort
of
like
the
norfolk
project,
where
it
is
they're,
distinct
phases
and
distinct
structures
that
don't
connect
because
they're
in
different
parts
of
the
neighborhood.
C
So
but
I
mean
your
phase,
one
kyle
is
sort
of
you
know.
That's
we're
going
to
be
doing
a
lot
of
that.
If
we
get
that
far
it's
you
know,
how
do
you
integrate
the
start
structure
with
you
know
high
use
very
important,
visible
architecturally
in
historic
structures,
and
then
you
have
this
potential
again
around
the
ball
field,
with
the
casino.
That's
interesting
that
you're
able
to
ponder
these
pop-up
walls
and
these
structures
that
are
invisible
during
those
times
and
then
when
the
bad
storm
is
heading
your
way
you
put
them
in
place.
C
That's
that's
very
encouraging,
and
it's
also
encouraging
that
the
core
is
trying
to
make
improvements,
that
they
may
otherwise
call
betterments
they're
trying
to
make
improvements
as
project
features
which
are
then
eligible
for
the
cost
share,
as
opposed
to
100
by
the
city
or
the
non-federal
sponsors.
That's
that's
encouraging,
so
you
keep
pushing
them.
So
we
can.
We
can
follow
along,
maybe
behind
you
in
the
future.
B
Good
deal
well,
thank
you
all
again
for
the
time,
any
other
follow-up
comments
or
questions
or
thoughts.
A
No
hey
good!
I
will
in
my
next
communication
with
the
committee,
we've
had
some
votes
that
wednesday
mornings
are
becoming
a
challenge
for
our
monthly
meeting,
so
we
may
ponder
and
we'll
touch
base
with
you
on
a
couple
of
other
alternatives
to
perhaps
do
moving
forward.
So
just
stay
tuned
for
that
in
next
email,
communications.
A
You
let
us
know
if
the
chief's
signature
happens
in
a
week,
yes,
and
also
everybody
should
have
hopefully
saw
the
new,
updated,
faq
and
information
sheet
that
susan
and
the
communications
working
group
worked
really
hard
to
put
together.
That
is,
I've,
updated
the
website
it's
on
there,
and
it's
also
went
out
in
our
city
newsletter
last
last
week,
so
still
timely,
right.
C
C
That
is
a
very
important
project
to
provide
some
storm
water
relief
and
ponding
relief
for
a
decent
portion
of
the
medical
district
and
that
will
tie
into
the
spring
fishburn
project
so
that
groundbreaking
incurred.
We're
thankful
to
the
state
for
providing
the
pastor
of
the
cdb
cdbgdr
money
to
us
for
that,
so
that
that's
happening
again.
All
these
things
add
up
over
time.
That's
good
good
news.
B
Well,
thank
you
very
much
everybody
and
well
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
sign
off
and
yeah
again
look
forward
to
seeing
you
all
in
roughly
a
month
and
then
look
up
for
email
communication
in
the
interim.