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City of Charleston Army Corps 3x3 Advisory Committee
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D
A
A
You
know
I
using
this
meeting
and
kind
of
start
to
answer
that
or
finalize
the
question
of
really.
Where
does
this
go?
We
have
the
plan
recommendation
in
place
and
then
I
put
the
question
in
the
agenda,
which
is:
does
the
us
army
corps
of
engineers?
Findings
in
the
feasibility
study
serve
as
a
potential
solution
for
storm
surge
protection
on
the
peninsula,
so
something
we'll
be
discussing
later
before
getting
there.
A
You
know
we
have,
apart
from
susan,
to
increase
the
the
number
of
meetings
from
once
every
two
weeks
to
once.
Every
week
we
also
have
from
susan
the
copies
of
the
content
to
go
into
the
communications
working
group
information
sheet,
which
you
know,
I
think
susan
put
it
very
well
john
q,
public
and
informing
them
on
current
content,
and
you
know
so
anyway.
That's
tremendously
helpful
and,
as
I
mentioned
the
last
one
is
just
to
discuss
the.
A
E
A
H
Good
just
a
number
of
things
to
run
through
based,
you
know
over
the
last
week
or
so.
Thank
you
all
for
tolerating
and
helping
me
come
up
to
speed
on
all
this.
I
do
appreciate.
I
have
calls
and
texts
with
a
lot
of
people
and
meetings
and
I'm
learning
a
lot.
I
think
I
know
a
lot
but
there's
context
above
you
know
it's
visible
and
it's
invisible
and
I
need
to
understand
all
that
that
relates
to
charleston.
So
any
guidance
you
have
is
much
appreciated.
H
H
Mr
baebank,
I
sent
an
email
to
you
last
week,
saying:
let's
jump
on
the
phone
and
I'll
run
through
them
with
you
as
you
like,
or
we
could
do
it
in
one
of
these
meetings.
What
I
know
that
could
be
pretty
quickly,
but
I
just
want
to
say
that
we
do
have
some
answers.
Some
of
the
answers
are
going
to
say
we
can't
we
won't
know
until
pet,
but
that
offer
is
still
there.
In
the
last
meeting,
susan
asked
a
question
about
the
interior
hydrology
analysis.
H
H
They
do
that
on
the
on
the,
in
their
first
analysis,
very
good
question
I
misspoke,
I
just
assumed
that
they
would
do
that
at
another
point
because
of
the
lawsuit
that
the
army
corps
had
in
new
orleans.
I
thought
they
were
all
doing
it.
They
did
it
because
the
citizens,
all
the
comments
came
in
and
and
questions
came
into
the
core.
What
would
that
be?
So
they
did
it
because
of
public
push,
not
because
they
were
doing
due
diligence.
H
But
norfolk
means
elizabeth
river
is
a
bunch
of
tidal
creeks,
it's
not
a
river,
it's
a
bunch
of
tidal
creeks
that
go
up
and
down
and
it's
narrow
in
places,
and
you
would
think
there
would
be
some
water
surface
elevation
impacts
there
and
that
the
folks
in
norfolk
would
have
asked
for
it,
but
they
didn't
so.
The
core
does
not
do
this
as
a
matter
of
course
later
on.
H
So
the
push
the
push
here
from
the
community
was
very
important,
so
that's
an
update-
and
I
hope
that
helps
again-
and
I
think
it's
important
to
understand
that
I
mentioned
it
last
week,
but
the
core
uses
fairly
standard,
off-the-shelf
models
that
have
been
vetted
for
years
and
years
and
years
right.
So
these
are
things
that
they're
using
for
that.
H
So
it's
not
like
they
have
their
own
special
black
box
that
we
can't
trust
if
the
etzer
model,
which
is
part
of
this
again,
the
water
institute,
uses
it
all
the
time
to
to
look
at
waves
and
surge
and
energy,
and
things
like
that,
so
the
core
model
is
is
fairly
open
and
you
we
should
trust
it.
An
update
after
last,
you
know
started
last
week
the
need
to
have
a
financing
strategy
developed
and
then
communicated
is
essential.
H
I
had
a
conversation
with
the
cfo
last
friday
we
had
another
conversation
with
the
mayor
a
couple
days
ago.
The
goal
the
intent
is
to
get
it's
not
my
job.
It's
not
my
responsibility
to
to
tweak
numbers
and
say
this:
is
you
know
this
is
the
plot
of
money
that
we're
going
to
use
for.
For
that?
That's
something!
That's
on
my
role.
H
What
they
yield
on
an
annual
basis,
which
of
them
might
be
used,
could
be
used
for
this
process
for
this
project
if
needed,
and
then
what
is
the
deficit
given
what
we
assume
we're
going
to
need,
whether
that's
a
20
million
a
year
over
10
years,
or
you
know,
over
12
years
or
whatever?
That
number
is,
but
we're
going
to
start
to
develop
a
strategy,
and
then
I
will
share
that
with
you
all
whenever
that
that
that
is
ready.
H
He
makes
a
very
compelling
argument
about
how
important
the
half
cent
sales
tax
was
for
other
regional
initiatives,
and
I
want
to
understand
more
about
that.
So
I
requested
that
meeting
and
if
anyone
else
has
that
information,
please
give
me
a
buzz
and
I
will
listen
intently
because
I
think
that's
that
could
be
an
important
part
of
this
and
there
are
hurdles.
You
have
to
go
through
to
clear
that,
but
that
may
be
something
the
wise.
You
know
those
kind
of
efforts
do
do
pay
for
infrastructure.
H
You
know
around
around
the
u.s,
so
let's
see-
and
I
know
there's
a
discussion
about
a
peninsula
like
mid-
that
amy
is
trying
to
ponder
up
or
ponder
what
that
would
mean
so
we're
working
on
it,
which
won't
let
you
know
and
cashin
we
spoke
earlier.
I
think
it's
important
that
whenever
we
get
to
a
point
of
sufficient
information
that
we
engage
with
with
your
working
group
on
that
issue,
so
there
you
go
another
key
thing.
I
have
a
like
mark.
H
We
were
talking
with
the
norfolk
district
and
with
the
miami
miami
dade
folks
and
collier
county
now,
and
then
then,
the
the
the
keys,
the
csrm
folks,
what
they
were
doing
and
what
they
were
running
into.
I
have
not
yet
had
a
call
with
jim
murley
who's
the
cro
in
miami-dade,
but
I
know
him
for
quite
a
while
we're
going
to
try
to
find
time
to
talk
either
this
week
or
next.
I
want
to
get
the
lowdown
on
why
they
did
what
they
did.
H
What
I
do
know-
and
I
tried
to
share
this
last
week-
is
that
the
line
again,
the
line
that
they
have
the
army
corps
has
presented
to
them
as
being
the
one
that
they
would
build:
splits,
neighborhoods,
poor,
neighborhoods
in
rich
neighborhoods,
and
so
there's
a
question
of
equity
there
between
within
the
neighborhoods
and
then
there's
a
question
of
equity.
You
know
between
the
neighborhoods
and
then
you
have
an
issue
of
splitting
the
business
district
right
and
that
is
of
course,
a
financial
impact
insurability.
H
So
the
line
that
the
corps
of
engineers
drew
was
rational
for
their
guidelines.
It
was
not
rational
from
a
sense
of
the
community,
as
I
understand
it,
so
they
have
asked
for
an
lpp.
There
is
a
big
push,
a
very
active
community
in
in
miami-dade
that
they
want
more
nature-based
features
included
in
this.
So
there's
a
that's
another
reason
for
them
to
pursue.
They
want
to
see
what's
possible.
H
They
know
also
that
the
key
the
csrm
for
the
keys
is
all
nature-based
features
and
non-structural
right.
It's
sand
editions
and
home
elevations,
so
they
see
like
well,
if
they're
getting
more
nature
based
things,
can
we
get
them
too
and,
as
you
know,
sediment
addition
to
the
beaches
down.
There
is
something
the
core
engineers
already
does,
and
so
people
are
thinking
well.
H
If
we
can
get
more
sand
in
front
of
miami
beach,
the
city
of
miami
behind
back
bay
is
protected,
so
there's
a
sentiment
there
that
they
could
do
more
with
that.
So
I
will
talk
with
them
and
to
get
more
load
on
if
I
can
and
share
that
with
you
as
appropriate.
As
soon
as
I
do
as
soon
as
I
can
then
one
final
thing
here
the
share
would
report.
I
know
other
folks
have
asked
for
information,
more
information,
and
you
know
the
folks
from
sherwood
tom
who
I
know
very
well.
H
I
spoke
with
him
at
length
last
week.
You
know
just
to
just
to
discuss
how
he
is
and
all
that
and
some
of
the
questions
we've
had
it's
important
to
say
that
the
sure
would
report
their
approach
was
indicative
and
inspirational
and
aspirational.
I
said
that
last
week,
but
I
want
to
remind
people
the
the
issue
in
rosemont.
H
H
You
need
10
feet
on
top
and
one
four
feet
of
width
for
every
one
foot
up,
so
you're
talking
24
20
to
24
feet
on
either
side.
So
you're
talking
a
structure,
a
width
of
a
structure,
probably
60
or
70
feet.
You
would
be
taking
homes
to
do
that
and
then
you
need
pump
stations
because
there's
no
subsurface
drainage
so
and
tom
realizes
that,
but
they
were
saying
you
know
there
are
problems
up
there,
tom
from
certainly
their
problems
up
there
right
now
are
primarily
storm
water.
H
They
don't
get
tidal
impacts
they
may
in
the
future.
My
biggest
concern
is,
they
will
not
bear
the
brown
of
a
frontal
surge
like
like
the
battery.
Would
my
concern
is
that
the
water
would
push
up
the
rivers
and
when
the
storm
turns
around
the
water
would
come
back
down
and
they're
then
very
vulnerable
to
back
flooding?
H
H
H
You
know
from
the
base
from
the
ground
level
now
to
the
to
the
navd
88,
so
you
would
have
done
a
rather
robust
high
structure
and
how
much
land
would
you
need
to
take
to
to
do
to
build
that?
And
then
you,
that's
all
fill
so
you
know
a
strong
geotech
is
going
to
be
geotech.
Analysis
is
going
to
be
to
see
if
the
subsurface
would
support
that
weight.
H
So
keep
that
in
mind
and
and
tom
tom
was
very
conscientious-
that
proposing
to
change
the
luck
with
nature
was
not
something
they
studied
via
vis-a-vis
traffic,
but
they
realized.
That
was
a
shortcoming
and
they
didn't
have
an
opinion
on
that,
but
they
realized
that
you
know
a
traffic
study
would
have
to
be
done.
H
H
H
I
would
worry
about
whether
or
not
that
area
could
support
the
weight
of
a
softer
structure
so
anyway,
just
just
want
to
present
that
and
happy
to
ask
questions
and
happy
happy
to
spar
with
people
take
or
take
take
criticism,
because
again,
this
is
something
that
requires
further
study
and
if,
if
if
this
were
a
greenfield
development
or
a
more
suburban
development,
where
space
wasn't
at
such
a
premium,
I
would
likely,
let's
study
more
so
sharing
my
bias
there.
Okay
and
that's
it.
A
It's
yours,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
real,
quick,
susan,
I'll
I'll
just
want
to
make
a
point.
You
know
our
our
role
is
really
an
advisory
capacity.
I
think
you
know
bob's
hammered
on
that
number
of
times.
You
know
something.
Maybe
we
can
do
as
one
of
our
recommendations
and
consensus
recommendations
we
can
discuss
this
further.
The
next
meeting
is
is,
is
specifically,
you
know,
requests
further
investigation
into
into
rosemont.
Specifically,
you
know
kayla
and
just
something
to
we
can.
H
So
yeah
again
so
there's
the
most
important.
In
my
opinion,
recommendations
from
sherwood
is
do
a
resilience
or
community
study
up
there.
That
you
know
we
haven't
talked
about.
That
is
a
recommendation
that
would
be
wise
for
the
committee
to
ponder,
in
my
opinion,
and
it's
a
very
vulnerable
community.
It
has
a
very
distinct
identity.
H
It
has
you
know
that
that
that
is
something
that
is
being
treated
in
some
ways
in
a
bit
differently
than
the
rest
of
the
peninsula,
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
as
wes
said,
you
know
you
would
you
would?
If
you
tried
to
go
to
wall
there,
you
would
you
would
harm
the
community
in
some
ways
so,
but
that
doesn't
mean
it
doesn't
mean
that
elevation
only
or
non-structural
only
is
what
it
needs
there
could
be.
Other
needs,
in
my
opinion,.
B
A
I
I
H
You
need
that
you
need
that
just
for
stability
and
to
stop
it
from
sinking.
So
you
can
support
levees
that
way
too,
but
it
is
way
way
way
expensive.
You
can
you
can
create,
and
I
don't
know
how
you
do
this,
but
you
can
create
subsurface
structure,
support
for
a
levee
in
soft
soils.
If
you
have
something
underneath
it
that's
solid
like
tomorrow,
but
it
is
really
expensive.
So
the
concrete
thing
is
less
expensive.
A
D
Thanks
so
good
geez,
I'm
wondering
whether
at
this
point
in
our
process,
whether
it
makes
sense
to
sort
of
take
a
straw
vote
of
the
members
on
where
people
stand.
I
mean
it's
been
five
months.
We're
approaching
some
milestones
in
terms
of
informing
outsiders,
the
city
council
and
the
general
public
through
susan's
group
communications.
D
D
Aren't
we
of
the
mind
to
support
this
proposal?
That's
sort
of
global,
maybe
more
narrow?
Does
the
group
feel
that
we're
in
a
position
to
recommend
that
the
city
at
least
go
to
ped
phase
that
may
feel
like
putting
the
card
in
front
of
the
horse
from
a
process
standpoint?
But
if
someone
held
a
gun
to
my
head
right
now
and
asked
what
is
the
sentiment?
D
D
A
J
A
Was
a
great
way
to
handle
this,
this
sub
subtopic
d
under
item
three,
the
the
items
for
discussion
not
to
spring
on
everybody,
but
bob.
I
I
completely
agree
with
you.
I
think
it's
something
something
we
need
to
do
and
we
got
let's
tape.
So,
let's
just
in
the
interest
of
time,
let's
table
that
until
we
get
to
d
herbert,
I
know
your
hand
was
up,
and
this
would
be
the
last
question
before
we
go
to
go
to
the
other
agenda
item.
G
Good
morning,
everyone
I
concur
with
you
bob.
I
think
we
had
discussed
this
several
meetings
back
as
to
the
dynamics
of
the
group
being
able
to
come
together
and
ask
questions
openly,
instead
of
separately
and
privately,
that
for
me,
coming
from,
there
have
questions
that
have
been
asked
and
not
fully
explained,
and
the
community
asked
me
questions
and
I
I'm
at
a
loss
for
explanations,
except
for
what
I
was
given.
G
A
A
B
B
Mr
chair
just
quick
point
of
process
following
up
on
email
that
went
out
on
friday.
That
was
follow-up
from
comments
of
last
week's
meeting,
an
all-out
kind
of
intake
of
questions
from
the
group
that
dale
and
I
can
take
to
the
core
to
then
get
one
document
that
can
be
shared
with
the
whole
committee.
I
haven't
received
any
questions.
We
put
a
deadline
for
tomorrow
herbert
we
have
your
questions
in
there.
I
know
dale
has
reached
out
and
offered
to
speak
with
you
individually
again.
B
B
I
think
there's
ways
we
can
get
around
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
send
a
reminder
to
folks
if
you
had
any
other
outstanding
questions
for
the
corps
to
get
those
to
dale
and
I
into
the
chair
by
tomorrow.
So
we
could
get
those
formulated,
and
my
thought
and
goal
was
to
have
some
sort
of
faq
document
that
can
be
shared
with
the
whole
committee
and
the
committee
can
then
share
that
with
you
know,
folks
that
they
work
with
as
well.
H
C
H
Last
week
I
got
answers
for
them.
We
talked
with
the
core
about
herbert
mr
maybank's
questions
and
we
have
some
answers,
but
we'll
we'll
put
them
and
we'll
get
them
in
writing.
And
if
you
have
questions
we'll
get
we'll
get
answers
in
writing
and
then
that
will
solve
some
of
this
information
challenge
or
information
deficit
that
people
feel
one
two
is
what's
the
previous
question:
does
the
committee
have
coming
back
to
that?
G
Question
then,
then,
would
would
answers
to
per
say,
rose
mountain
you
and
I
discussing
them
dale
or
the
the
advisor
there.
How?
How
is
the
benefit
of
the
group
beneficial
to
rosemount,
presenting
a
case
for
or
against,
and
I'm
making
reference
to?
What
bob
alluded
to
is
the
idea
that
we,
we
can
collectively
come
together
and
see
the
visa
feasibility
of
what
is
being
asked
as
working
or
not
working.
H
I'm
happy
to
discuss
the
question
the
answers
to
the
questions
that
I
recall
that
decor
gave
us
so
that
you
sent
over
eight
or
nine
questions.
We
discussed
them
with
the
core
one
by
one
I
did
and
caitlin
did.
I
don't
want
to
say
I
want
to
say
10
days
ago
and
I'm
there
were
your
questions
so
my
offer
to
you
was
I
will
I
will
speak
with
you
one-on-one
or
I'm
happy
to
answer
them
or
to
go
through
them
with
the
entire
committee
at
the
appropriate
time.
H
That's
we
can
do
that
at
the
beginning
of
the
next
meeting
or
we
can
put
them
in
writing
we'll
submit
them
to
the
core.
As
part
of
this
separate
process,
we
asked
for
last
week
and
get
them
in
writing
that
way.
That
can
be
part
of
the
final
answer
that
the
core
provides
to
us.
Regarding
your
questions,
you
know,
let's
say
in
seven
seven
business
days
or
talent
days
after
you
know
from
tomorrow
or
from
friday.
H
H
H
You're
you're
free
to
ask
more
questions.
I
mean
we
know,
there's
more
questions
than
just
the
eight
you
pose,
but
we'll
get
we'll
make
sure
that
those
questions
that
have
already
been
posited
are
answered
by
the
corps
of
engineers
next
tuesday,
okay
and
then
we
will
again.
We
will
note
the
answers.
We
will
share
them
in
a
document
with
the
committee,
just
in
as
a
matter
of
an
email,
change
and
then
they'll
be
there
and
then
more
questions
and
more
communication
will
occur
during
and
after
that
meeting
with
the
court
next
tuesday
in
rose.
A
G
A
G
A
Well,
thank
you
herbert
that's
noted,
and
I
appreciate
it.
I
mean
I
couldn't
agree
more
I'd
say
part
of
that.
The
on-site
meeting
we
had
the
rosemont
was
a
great
example
of
the
power
of
that
with
with
the
core.
So
thank
you
I
agree
so
with
regard
dale,
do
you
have
any
other
comments?
As
far
as
that
topic,
two
on
the
agenda.
H
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
moving
on
to
item
three
items
for
just
this
discussion
now
with
regards
to
the
presentation
to
council,
you
know
that
date
was
postponed
to
october
12th.
To
give
us
more
time
for
for
discussion,
I
think
you
know
herbert's
point
on
rosemont
being
a
great
example,
I
think
there's
some
more
diligence
that
we
all
need
to
do.
C
A
C
A
F
A
J
J
If
there's
other
times,
we
need
to
meet
that
would
be
great,
but
every
week
I
think,
is
really
going
to
take
us
out
of
this
game
a
good
bit,
especially
with
what's
coming
up
in
the
fall,
so
susan,
sorry
to
rain
on
your
parade.
Well,
I
think
this
is
a
very
important
topic.
There
are
many
others
too,
and
for
us
it's
just.
I
just
tell
you
now:
it's
it's
brutal,
it's
brutal
and
adding
more
onto
it.
G
G
E
G
57,
no,
that's
not
counting
committees
like
this.
Okay,
I'm
just
talking
city
council
meetings.
We
have
57
so
anyway,
but
I
will
say
this,
though
I
don't
think
that
should
prevent
maybe
the
committees
from
meeting,
because
I
think
the
committee's
doing
great
work.
I
wouldn't
want
to
stop
that
momentum
of
councilmember
seeking.
So
if
you
all
could
have
the
deference
that
maybe
council
members
seeking
it
now,
I
can't
make
every
one
of
those
weekly
meetings.
I
love
what
I'm
hearing
taking
place.
Mr
maybank.
Obviously
there's
lions
everybody.
G
B
Thanks,
mr
chairman,
with
us
now
having
the
september
10th
report
to
find
the
funding
group,
I
will
need
to
start
meeting
again
and
since
we
meet
in
the
off
weeks
that
the
group
meets
that
really
kind
of
effectively
becomes
a
weekly
meeting.
I
mean
I'm
not
opposed
to
pulling
this
group
together
to
meet
more
often.
I
love
talking
about
this
project
as
much
as
everybody
here,
but
you
know
we
do
with
with
having
the
working
groups.
A
D
Yeah,
hey
good,
I
mean
cashion
just
shared
one
of
the
thoughts
that
I
had
and
I
support
the
council
members
desires
not
to
over
tax
the
group
collectively,
since
we
do
have
a
pending
decision
date
or
recommendation
to
the
council
on
october
12th.
That
leaves
us
with
two
consecutive
wednesdays
to
possibly
convene
there
may
be
benefit
for
using
both
of
those
weeks
depending
on
how
we
feel
at
the
conclusion
of
this
meeting,
and
maybe
we
just
table
that
decision
until
then,.
A
E
Kevin,
I
think,
that's
a
really
great
point
and
what
I
was
going
to
contribute.
I
mean
I
think,
every
single
person
on
this
call
has
overburdened
calendars
and
a
lot
is
juggling
a
lot
of
competing
demands
and
we're
all
committed
to
this
very
important
topic
and
project
and
want
to
do
our
you
know,
carry
out
our
responsibilities.
So
I
think
we
need
to
meet
as
frequently
as
the
needs
dictate
so
kevin.
A
E
I
think
it
could
be
an
agenda
item
that
we
discussed
at
the
conclusion
of
an
existing
meeting.
We
can
talk
about
you
know.
Are
we
okay
with
our
next
scheduled
meeting
two
weeks
from
now
or
do
we
need
something
in
the
interim
and
caitlyn
one?
One
thing
that
we
could
consider
is
holding
asking
people
to
put
a
soft
hold
on
the
9
30
wednesday
slots
so
that
we
have
it.
If
we
need
it
and
then
you
don't
have
to
go
out
and
do
a
doodle
pull
every
time
we
decide.
We
need
an
extra
meeting.
B
Yeah,
that's
possible.
I
just
you
know
we
are
at
the
discretion
of
the
clerk's
office
and
their
deadlines
for
agendas
and
public
meeting
announcements,
which
is
which
essentially,
if
we
are
to
meet
next
week,
I
need
to
get
that
out
to
them
by
tomorrow
afternoon.
So
soft
holds.
I
mean
everybody
can
keep
that
in
their
mind,
but
I
think
it
will
be
helpful,
at
least
from
a
process
wise
if
by
the
end
of
this
meeting,
if
there's
an
agreement
that
we
hold
one
next
week
at
the
same
time
just
so
we
can.
A
A
I
J
A
A
A
A
Understood
so
can
I
guess
the
best
way
to
and
correct
me
here,
weigh
in,
but
best
way
would
be
to
put
forward
a
motion
at
the
end
of
every
meeting.
We
take
a
vote
whether
to
have
an
additional
meeting
the
following
week.
Right,
oh
and
councilman,
seeking
I
see
your
note
as
well
on
10
30,
10
40.
Rather
we
will
be
getting
into
this.
The
I
think
the
big
thing
is
this
information
sheet.
A
B
B
A
All
right
great,
thank
y'all
good
deal
so
moving
on
to
subtopic
c
communications,
working
group
faq
information
sheet.
Thank
you
so
much
to
the
communications
working
group
for
putting
this
together
huge
effort,
great
copy,
thank
you
to
to
dale
and
kalen
for
providing
inputs
and
thoughts
there.
Thank
you
for
everybody.
That's
provided
commentary
on
it.
We
got
it.
H
So
we
had
some
informal
discussion
as
the
meeting
started,
the
need
for
the
public
to
have
the
benefit
of
this
information
that
the
working
group
and
susan
have
put
together.
I
would
suggest,
let's
try
to
wrap
this.
My
belief
is
this
should
be
wrapped
as
soon
as
possible,
so
it
can
be
shared
because
I
do
think
there
will
be
a
number
of
meetings.
H
You
saw
the
schedule,
we
have
a
number
of
meetings
tatum
and
I
and
others
have
a
number
of
meetings
with
the
corps
with
various
stakeholder
groups.
I
think
we
may
get
more
requests
to
do
that
and
I
will
bend
over
backwards
to
do
whatever
I
can
to
do.
Those
and
having
the
information
sheet
is,
would
be
good
and
it
wouldn't
be
coming
from
me,
but
we
would
be
happy
to
share
it
on
behalf
of
the
committee
with
those
people
we're
meeting
so
the
quicker
we
can
wrap
it.
In
my
opinion,
the
better.
D
Yeah
echo
echo
the
congratulations
on
the
document.
It's
it's
a
really
fine
piece
of
work.
Continuing
the
theme
of
you
know
what
incremental
value
this
committee
can
provide.
I'd
suggest
that
we
leven
the
statement
of
facts
with
some
opinions
from
this
group.
There's
a
lot
of
information
out
there
to
the
public
regarding
the
initial
proposal
and
then
the
updated
draft
proposal,
and
I
I
think
this
is
a
good
forum
for
us
to
start
guiding
people
to
what
this
committee
thinks
relative
three
by
three
friend
or
foe.
So
that's
a
theme.
D
D
D
You
know
I
would
going
back
to
the
discussion
with
dale
earlier
on
geez
opportunity
missed
that
we
didn't
do
that
analysis
on
the
impact
to
neighboring
communities.
That's
a
big
political
issue
that
may
be
sort
of
calcified
in
people's
thinking,
so
emphasizing
the
result
that
it's
only
one
inch
things
like
that.
So
there
there
are
a
number
of,
I
think,
opportunities
to
dale's
point.
F
I
think
I've
heard
20
and
30
years
in
in
some
of
those
other
meetings.
Second
point
is
funding.
While
I
know,
obviously
the
federal
government
and
corps
of
engineers
is
putting
a
lot
of
money
for
the
wall
itself,
but
does
that
mean
the
city
cannot
go
after
other
federal
funding?
Federal
is
not
listed
as
one
of
the
sources
of
future
funding.
F
But
last
meeting
I
brought
up
the
point
of
access
to
the
peninsula
and
it
may
have
sounded
like
it
was
just
medical
district,
but
when
you
think
about
it,
all
the
services
and
people
on
the
entire
peninsula
are
going
to
be
restricted
down
to
just
a
few
ways
out
on
high
ground.
Well,
I
don't
take
good,
but
there
are
a
couple
of
others,
I'm
sure-
and
I
think
that
probably
will
not
be
in
any
core
of
engineer.
F
A
I
I
I
I
also
I
wanted
to
just
stress
again,
and
I
put
it
in
my
my
communication
somewhere.
This
copy
that's
coming
is
from
the
committee.
It
is
not
from
the
city,
and
I
think
it's
really
important-
that
we
strengthen
our
identity
as
a
committee
with
whatever
questions
we
have
or
disagreements
with
the
city
or,
however,
that
works.
We
are
separate
and
independent
from
the
city,
and
I
think
we
need
to
really
identify
ourselves
as
such,
with
all
the
communications
that
go
out.
D
Yeah
susan,
I
think
you're
spot
on
and
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
the
city's
edits.
That
would-
and
it
goes
to
the
question
that
we
asked
early
on-
is
this
council?
Is
this
committee
designed
merely
to
endorse
pre-ordained
direction,
or
are
we
critically
thinking
about
whether
this
is
the
best
thing
for
the
city?
I'm
really
concerned
about
edits
that
from
this
group
that
would
be
designed
to
muffle
any
issues
that
we
perceive
that
doesn't
sound
right
to
me.
C
A
C
Absolutely
and
I
echo
bob's
sentiments-
and
I
that
was
exactly
what
I
was
going
to
say-
is
that
you
know
we're
an
independent
committee.
We
appreciate
the
input
that
we're
getting
from
the
city
and
I
think
it's
great
that
we
have
those
resources,
but
we
need
to
be
an
independent
voice
and
it's
tremendously
concerning
that
the
city
would
provide
edits
to
our
work
product.
I
think
we're
here
to
provide
work
product
to
help
guide.
C
I
mean
look
and,
and
susan
I'd
be
willing
to
meet
with
you
every
week.
I
know
everyone
else.
I
mean
it's.
I
would
sit
with
you
because
I
think
this
is
such
an
important
issue,
and
this
is
what
we
call
due
diligence
and,
ultimately,
when
I
heard
that
to
me,
I
think
the
city
is
a
fantastic
resource
and
serving
on
this
committee
and
then
on
the
subcommittees.
With
funding
we've
had
the
opportunity
to
have
the
city's
finance
group
weigh
in
obviously
having
mark
previously
and
now.
C
Dale
are
fantastic
resources,
but
we
need
to
be
an
independent
body
and
we
need
to
make
our
recommendations,
and
I
think
bob
put
it
very
well.
I
mean
about
leavening
some
of
the
language.
I
think
we
just
need
to
draw
a
consensus
amongst
our
group
and
make
our
recommendation
and
opinions,
and
I
don't
like
the
idea
of
being
steered
by
anyone
from
that
perspective
other
than
other
committee
members
that
want
to
share
their
opinions.
A
A
Thanks:
okay,
good
deal,
so
everybody
please
take
a
look.
I
think
you
know
both
bob
and
dan's
comments
underscored
the
importance
of
everybody.
You
know
providing
their
thoughts
input
into
this
into
this
document.
So
please,
please,
take
a
look,
join
the
communications
working
group
as
well,
if
you'd
like
to,
if
you'd
like
to
and
and
with
that
said,
we'll
be
on
the
lookout
for
additional
comments
again.
I
know
it
went
out
last
night,
but
additional
comments
before
the
document
for
the
upcoming
meeting.
A
You
know,
understand
again,
there's
always
going
to
be
clarifications,
big,
complicated
issue,
but
but
where
we
can
come
to
come
to
a
consensus
or
as
a
forum
as
a
as
a
as
a
committee.
So
you
know
the
one
here
I
saw.
The
high
level
point
is-
and
this
is
also
coming
from
you
know
and
looking
at
the
ordinance
as
well
as
do
the
u.s
I'm
using
programmer
here.
So
apologies
for
that.
My
college
professors
would
be
upset
with
me
but
to
correct
it.
A
Do
the
u.s
army
corps
of
engineers,
findings
in
the
feasibility
as
study
potential
solution
for
storm
surge
protection
on
the
peninsula?
So
just
once
again
does
the
result:
the
u.s
army
corps
of
engineers,
three
by
three.
You
know
the
legacy
is
service
potential
solution
for
storm
surge
protection
on
the
peninsula
and
again
councilmember
seekings.
Knowing
you
have
to
go
in
four
minutes.
J
So
thanks
I
mean
I,
I
think,
and
it's
my
understanding
just
some
listening
around
the
table.
The
zoom
screen
in
front
of
me
that
there's
some
desire.
I
think,
at
this
point
for
the
sort
of
group
to
put
their
opinion
forward
and
at
least
on
a
non-binding
basis,
sort
of
see
where
they
all
are,
and
I
think
that's
a
really
good
idea.
I
mean
to
bob's
point
earlier
when
he
asked
sort
of
what
the
purpose
of
this
commission
slash.
Committee
is
councilmember
warring
and
I
were
there
at
the
genesis
of
it.
J
Council
member
waring-
and
I
probably
should
not
be
voting
members
of
that,
but
should
be
listening.
Members
of
that,
because,
ultimately,
the
vote
that
we
cast
is
going
to
be
at
city
council
on
an
up
or
down
ballot,
as
it
were
in
december
as
to
whether
to
move
forward
with
funding.
So
I
would
just
say:
let
me
just
say
this:
I've
been
a
fairly
silent
member
of
this
committee
and
I
think
if
you
ask
people
on
other
committees,
I'm
on
that
is
very
rare
for
me.
J
But
it's
been
very
educational,
but
I
will
just
say
this:
I'm
not
really
sure.
I
know
what
you
all
are
thinking
individually
and
I
really
don't
know
what
you're
thinking
as
a
group
you've
been
meeting
for
a
long
time.
We've
been
meeting
for
a
long
time.
I
think
the
time
is
now
to
at
least
put
cards
on
the
table
and
see
where
everybody
is
and
what
may
be
needed
to
move
things
in
a
certain
direction
or
not
council.
Member
warrior
and
I
are
listening.
J
J
What's
going
on
where
we
stand
and
people
know
that
I
serve
on
this
committee
too,
and
I
think
if
people
ask
me
where
the
committee
is
I'm
gonna,
I've
told
them
working
hard
and
moving
towards
getting
to
a
place
where
they
can
comply
with
the
mandates
of
the
ordinance
that
we
put
out
there
and
the
commissioning
of
this
committee.
So
I
sort
of
said
a
lot
without
saying
much,
but
please
don't
take
my
continued
general
silence
over
the
course.
The
last
few
months
is
disinterest.
J
It's
anything,
but
I
do
think
this
committee
was
designed
to
advise
and
consent
the
city
council,
which
I
sit
on,
I'm
1
13
of
the
vote
on
this.
This
is
council
member
wearing,
so
you've
got
2
13ths
of
the
votes.
So,
as
you
all
go
and
do
straw
polls
and
votes,
I
think
we
should
listen
and
take
those
votes
to
heart
and
that's
kind
of
where
I
am
with
all
this.
J
Mr
chairman,
and
I
certainly
have
plenty
of
thoughts
on
where
we
are
and
where
we're
headed,
don't
take
my
non
comments
on
that
either
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
all
have
either
as
a
group
or
individually,
but
this
is
y'all's
task
and
and
we're
here
to
learn,
and
I
do
think
it'd
be
good
to
hear
where
you
all
are
I'm
interested
in
it
by
the
way,
I'm
sure
councilmember
waring
is
too,
but
I'm
gonna.
Let
him
speak
for
himself
which,
by
the
way,
he's
very
capable
of
doing
so.
J
A
G
I
know
councilman
seekers
and
I
seem
to
be
parroting
one
another,
but
there
have
been
times
on
this
committee
when
I
wished.
I
could
have
remained
silent
as
much
as
councilmember
seeking
because
he's
a
little
bit
better
at
that
tonight,
but
if
you
would
notice
the
times
that
I
did
speak
up,
it
was
when
it
come.
G
It
came
to
the
city's
matching
funding
because
I
do
feel
a
little
frustration
there
as
far
as
the
strategy
being
put
together
to
accomplish
a
major
infrastructure
project,
but
the
the
part
about
the
independence
of
this
committee.
I
mean
that
is
paramount.
That's
why,
in
part,
I'm
sure
councilman,
stephens
also
voted
for
this
and
the
intelligence.
That's
on
this
committee,
from
you
know,
from
different
areas
of
the
charleston
community
I
think
is,
is
just
outstanding.
G
So
if
you
do
not
exert
your
independence,
I
think
the
whole
effort
would
have
been
a
big
failure.
I
mean
to
be
muted
or
heard
or
campaigned
in
a
certain
direction,
one
way
or
the
other.
My
goodness
don't
do
that,
because
what
you
all
have
to
say
is
going
to
be
vitally
important
to
all
of
council.
Geordi
yarber
has
been,
you
know
very
quiet.
On
this
I
mean
the
state
police
authority
is
a
whole
a
stakeholder
in
a
not.
G
But
a
region,
a
region
of
the
country,
so
that
vantage
point
is
going
to
be
very
important
on
this
committee
and
cause
what
the
ports
authority's
position
is.
Gonna
be
in
and
that's
gonna
be
aired
through
the
through
the
synergies
of
this
commit
committee.
So
sometimes
I
just
want
to
applaud
some
of
the
things
that
you
all
say
as
part
of
the
discussion
here,
because
it
is
that
that
they
have
been
flowing
sometimes
of
tussling.
G
G
We
got
150
000
people
in
the
city
of
charleston
coming
to
the
last
century.
You
tell
me
a
group
in
the
city
of
charleston.
That
knows
it
better
than
you
all,
because
you
only
put
in
the
time.
So
please
believe
me.
What
you
all
have
to
say
is
vitally
important
and
councilmember
seeking
myself
and
our
other
colleagues
on
council
we'll
have
our
day
once
it
gets
turned
over
to
council.
A
Thank
you
very
much
councilmember
wearing,
and
you
know
your
comments
are
always
very
insightful
and
important
and
very
much
appreciated,
given
that
you've
been
there
before
so
to
speak.
So
anyway,
just
want
to
say
thank
you
as
well
on
behalf
of
the
committee,
so
jordan,
I
saw
you
unmuting.
The
mute
is
that.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
councilmember
waring,
you
are
correct.
I
have
been
fairly
silent
during
this
five
month
process.
It's
been
an
honor
to
be
a
part
of
the
group
and
to
learn
about
the
project
more
in
depth
and
what
everyone
else
is
thinking
about,
as
it
impacts
their
area
of
the
city
very
nearly
focused
for
the
port.
F
You
know
I
haven't
spoken
up,
because
we
really
wanted
to
see
what
the
core
came
out
with
with
you
know
the
draft
report
and
having
seen
it,
I
can
tell
you
very
clearly
that
it
does.
It
is
in
direct
conflict
with
the
two
objectives,
the
port
submitted
as
our
concerns
with
the
project
to
the
corps.
Just
restate
that-
and
I
think
I
shared
that
with
the
group
in
the
beginning-
you
know,
most
importantly
to
us-
is
the
operations
of
our
terminals
on
the
peninsula,
columbus
street
and
union.
F
F
The
second
objective,
of
course,
is
protecting
the
value
of
union
peer
for
the
redevelopment
purposes.
We
feel
that
the
location
of
the
wall
is
in
direct
conflict
with
that
objective
as
well.
The
entire
portion
of
our
property
is
outside
of
the
wall.
We
suggested
that
the
wall
be
located
at
the
high
dock
and
the
core
did
not
did
not
take
that
suggestion
to
heart.
So
as
it
stands
now,
we
can't
be
supportive
of
this.
F
F
A
F
Well,
I
mean
again,
you
know
just
the
location
that
it's
in
now,
you
know
negatively
impacts
the
operation
of
columbus
street.
I
mean,
if
you
have
a
wall
that
runs
along.
You
know,
morrison
drive
there
just
think
about
trucks,
ingress
and
egress
to
the
terminal
right,
so
you
know,
and
then
that's
that's
a
real
concern
and
then,
as
far
as
union
peer
goes
again,
you
know
we
are
undertaking.
You
know
a
big
effort
to
redevelop
there.
F
We
know
that
it's
important
to
the
city
as
well
as
as
much
as
it
is
to
us.
You
know
bringing
all
that
property
on
to
on
to
to
private
property
lands
rather
than
owned
by
the
state.
So
you
know
again,
it
just
has
a
direct
negative
impact
to
that
objective
and
I'm
not
sure
what
else
I
can
say
about
that.
That's
just
the
way
it
is.
A
A
H
Sure,
let
me
take
very
quickly
dennis's
comments.
You
know.
Is
this
a
10-year
project
or
a
20-year
project
that
depends
on
if
it
moves
forward
and
how
it
moves
forward?
If
there's
a
complex
fed
phase
or
some
hiccups
come
up
during
that
phase,
some
technical
issues
like
whoops,
we
didn't
anticipate
this.
It
could
go.
G
H
It
could
go
shorter
and
again
I
mentioned
it
last
night,
but
the
core
build
rebuilt,
the
and
improved
the
northern
structure
in
five
years,
133
miles.
That
was
an
all
hands
on
deck
thing.
If
you
get
a
storm
in
charleston
and
they
decide
to
build
it,
they'll
bid,
it
they'll
build
it
quickly
and
they
will
cut
a
lot
of
corners,
not
for
safety,
but
they
will
just
it'll
get
done.
The
military
can
do
that
and
that'll
happen,
provided
there's
sufficient
contractors
to
do
the
work
right.
So
again,
ten-year
is
the
core
estimate.
H
I
think
this
is
a
in
an
on
an
armstrong
condition.
I
think
you're
looking
at
10
to
12
to
14..
I
don't
think
it's
a
20-year
process,
certainly
not
with
the
federal
funding
that's
becoming
available
for
infrastructure
going
around
and
you
get
a
storm.
The
whole
scenario
is
out
the
window.
It
will
grow
faster
because
that's
one
dennis
asked
a
question
about
federal
grants.
Federal
grants
cannot
be
used
to
meet
the
city's
cost
share.
H
H
H
Discussion
about
you
know
when
the
structure
would
be
closed.
What
does
that
mean?
For
you
know
how
the
city
operates
again,
there's
likely
to
be
an
evacuation
order
and
we
know
from
other
places
that
people
don't.
If
some
people
don't
evacuate,
you
are
going
to
have
ingress
and
egress
from
the
major
roads,
so
526
and
all
that,
so
that
is
still
an
ingress
or
an
ingress
route.
There
are
other
feeder.
Roads
are
going
to
be.
That's
part
of
a
traffic
study.
That's
going
to
be
what
needs
to
be
done.
Part
of
this.
H
You
know
how
much
what
is
the
redundancy
of
roads
in
and
out
of
the
out
of
the
city
so
again
kind
of
there,
but
it's
a
legitimate
question
and
that's
a
question
that
would
be
video
in
ped
and
likely
drawing
construction
by
the
city.
What
kind
of
redundancy
does
it
need
for
those
roads,
because
the
west
actually
originals
will
be
open,
but
who
knows
what's
happening
on
the
other
side,
at
the
landing
in
west
ashley,
but
yeah
the
revenant
bridge
in
526?
They
will
be
they're
high.
As
to
george
comments,
we
discussed
this.
H
You
know
last
week
we're
going
to
have
another
call
pretty
soon.
As
far
as
I
understand
it,
the
align
the
line
can
be
moved
and
will
be
moved
because
during
ped
they
will
find
things
that
oops
we
didn't
know
this.
We
now
have
to
consider
moving
it,
so
I'm
I
begin
with
the
starting
point
that
it
can
be
moved.
The
question
of
where
it
moves
is:
that's
something
you
explore
in
ped.
H
H
D
B
H
Concerns
about
the
environmental
impact
of
them
and,
as
you
know,
the
constructability
of
the
structure
over
water
in
water
is
three
times
that
is
on
land.
So
then
the
costs
go
up
substantially
and
if
you
look
at
the
the
sheer
size
of
the
awesome
port
facility
at
columbus
terminal,
I
mean
you
know
it's.
That
would
be
a
lot
of
water.
H
That
would
be
touched
and
so
costs
would
be
driven
up
substantially
and
thus
the
bcr
would
go
down
substantially
and
thus
the
federal
interest
would
likely
decrease
substantially
and
again
the
environmental
community
may
just
the
environmental
resource
agencies
may
just
say
no,
so
the
question
is:
can
you
move
it
somewhere
near
near
the
high
dock,
but
on
land?
And
if
that
is
not
acceptable
report,
then
there
is
a
challenge
there
and
I
think
we
just
need
to
realize
what
that
means
for
the
rest
of
the
peninsula,
that
you
can't
move
forward.
H
Part
of
that
I
we
met
with
the
port
for
five
or
six
or
seven
hours
last
november
discussing
how
do
we
do
this?
You
know
how
do
we
do
this
and
I
think
there
are
options
there
and
I
think
they're
possible
and
pay-
and
I
will
just
say
this-
I
know
someone
very
senior
in
washington,
former
district
commander
in
charleston
former
district
commander
in
new
orleans,
who
I
would
call
and
ask
him
about
what
can
be
done
and
I
don't
want
to.
H
H
I
just
leave
it
at
that.
That's
sufficient
to
the
answers
there.
But
again
I
don't
dismiss
personally
the
need
for
the
poor
to
be
protected.
I
think
that's
essential.
You
know,
and
I
I
I
believe
we
need
to
respect,
make
sure
that
the
court
is
able
to
operate
in
normal
conditions.
I
don't
quite
understand
the
question
about
the
structures
experiment
under
normal
conditions
of
truck
traffic,
because
there's
a
road
the
road
will
be
there.
There
will
be
a
gate.
The
gate
will
be
open
unless
you
have
a
storm
coming.
H
The
dinner
will
close
at
a
certain
time
and
there
at
that
point
you
would
have
an
operations
manual,
say
eight
hours
prior
to
the
likelihood
hour,
16
hours
quite
really
quickly
until
landfall
the
city
would
go
through
a
process
of
starting
to
close
the
structure,
and
that
would
be
done
with
at
that
point.
If
the
structure
is,
there
will
be
done
with
report
again
and
the
port
can
help
devise
that
operation
manual
so
that
its
operations
can
continue
until
the
moment
of
safety
passes
until
the
moment
needs
when
that
that
door
needs
to
close.
F
F
We're
just
opposed
to
what's
presented
here
and
again
just
needs
some
clarity
from
the
core
and
comfort
level
at
what
can
be
done
during
ped,
because
I
think
you're
right
dale,
it
can
be
moved,
but
how
far
can
it
be
moved
I
mean?
Is
it
just
that
it
can
be
moved
to
a
certain
you
know
within
a
certain
area
in
which
they
define?
Does
it
and
then,
if
there
are
other
environmental
impacts?
How
does
that
play
into
it?
So
there's
just
you
know.
As
I've
stated,
we
submitted
these
comments.
F
H
F
A
Let
me
just
let
me
jump
in
real
quick
what
I
would
suggest
here
if
george
you'd
be
comfortable
with
this
I
mean.
Obviously,
the
stakeholder
here
is
similar
to
what
we're
doing
or
what
could
be
done
on
the
on
the
rosemont
fronts
that
we
craft
specific
language
for
recommendations
that
the
the
the
alignment
you.
G
A
H
A
A
A
A
F
A
I
couldn't
agree
more
councilman,
we're
wearing
and
that's
why
I
think
we
should
have
an
agenda
agenda
item
built
around
it
to
exactly
to
your
point.
It's
it's
a
really
important
issue
that
I
hate
to
be
discussing
in
the
last
five
minutes
of
a
meeting
when
it's
it's
something
that
I
think
similar
to
rosemont,
it's
vitally
important
and
it's
been
brought
up
as
a
serious
issue.
Whatever
for
the
entirety
of
the
committee
amaze
existence.
Is
there
any
other
kind
of
points
that
points
for
discussion.
I
I
A
I
Yeah
but
I've
sort
of
been
looking
by
by
myself
on
this
and
emailing
with
doug
and
jordy.
If
anybody
else
would
like
to
join
us
you're
more
than
welcome,
I
can
use
all
the
help
I
can
in
the
future.
I
think,
but
in
the
meantime,
I'm
I'm
happy
to
work
this
way.
It's
easiest,
I
guess
for
doug,
because
he's
really
busy.
A
A
Maybe
put
specifically
on
the
next
agenda
this
this
straw
vote
concept.
I
think
it's
a
good
one
and
it'll
help
establish,
establish
consensus
on
everything
and
we'll
discuss
it.
You
know
when
when
it
when
it
is
because,
obviously
we
have
the
rosemont
resiliency
concept,
which
you
know
will
go
into
an
official
recommendation
as
well
as
a
port
wall
location,
and
then
you
know
in
keeping
with
susan's
our
discussion
earlier
today.
A
Actually
you
know
what
let
me
open
it
up.
Does
anybody
have
any
kind
of
final
comments
or
thoughts?
I'd
like
to
end
the
meeting
with
the
vote
that
was
suggested
regarding
the
the
off-week
meeting,
given
that
we
still
have
a
quorum
here,
but
prior
to
that,
given
that
we
have
about
seven
minutes
left
laura,
please
go
for
it.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
want
to
put
a
topic
on
that
may
merit
some
additional
discussion
as
an
agenda
item
just
like
you
have
proposed,
mr
chairman,
for
the
rosemont
work
and
community
resilience
for
the
the
ports
concerns
regarding
alignment,
and
that
is
with
regard
to
the
incorporation,
meaningful
incorporation
of
nature-based
solutions,
and
you
know,
including
some
of
the
ideas
that
are
in
the
sherwood
report
in
dale.
E
I
mean
the
the
question
that
you
posed,
mr
chairman,
was:
does
the
feasibility
studies
serve
as
a
potential
solution
for
storm
surge
protection
and
the
answer
that
question
is
yes,
it
does
serve
as
a
potential
solution.
The
question
is:
is
it
the
one
we
want
and
that's
a
circular
question
that
we've
been
going
around
and
around
about
for
five
months
and
we're
getting
smarter
as
we
go
around.
A
F
A
I
Thank
you.
I
want
to
second
what
laura
said
and
then
add
to
her
list
of
things:
I'm
not
an
environmentally
trained
person,
and
I
would
love
to
get
laura's
response
to
the
eis
that
was
done
in
the
report,
because
I
am
reading
it
I'm
going
to
get
a
hard
copy,
so
I
don't
get
blind
printed
one
for
me.
So
that's
good
for
everybody
to
know.
I.
I
E
I
A
A
In
addition
to
that
so
anyway,
thank
you
laura
for
you
know
both
your
professional
service
here,
as
well
as
your
volunteer
work
on
this
committee.
I
see
bob
and
then
dan
and
then,
after
bob
and
dan
done
we're
going
to
take
a
vote
on
this.
This
upcoming
time
slide.
I
believe
he
still
had
a
quorum,
so
zob
go
for
it.
D
I
mean,
I
think
all
of
us
would
would
agree,
could
agree
that
the
incorporation
of
additional
green
versus
gray
solutions
would
be
a
positive.
You
know,
enhancement
to
the
proposal.
I'm
just
I'm
gonna
go
counter
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
all
these
proposals
need
to
be
viable.
I
mean
that's
been
our
question
from
the
start.
Is
this
project
in
its
entirety
viable
from
a
political
financial,
logistical
engineering
standpoint
same
with
these
proposals,
I
mean
I
attended
the
early
clemson
brainstorming.
D
Those
things
were
very
seductive,
but
unconstrained
by
reality
and
dollars
and
cents.
So
I
think
at
some
point
there's
a
litmus
test
in
terms
of,
for
example,
sherwood
when
asked
geez,
reducing
the
lanes
to
two
on
lockwood.
Does
that
anticipate
the
addition
of
800
cars
when
jasper
is
fully
populated
and
it
was
like?
No
that's
a
traffic
study.
Well,
that's
sort
of
significant
before
you
do
these
proposals
that
you
know
are
seductive,
but
maybe
not
viable.
D
So
I
think
that
needs
to
continue
to
be
the
litmus
test
for
all
of
us
in
reviewing
proposals.
The
army
corps
put
in
a
lime
sort
of
hard
press
to.
You
know
defend
this
full-throated
the
army
corps,
but
they
did
a
very
sophisticated
process
and
if
their
determination
is
geologically
or
whatever
geometrically,
the
sherwood
proposal
is
not
viable
geez.
Then
we
need
a
counter
argument
or
we
pass
it
by.
A
C
Yep
real
quickly,
so
you
know
listening
to
the
input
about
the
sherwood
proposal
and
I've
had
an
opportunity
to
spend
some
time
with
tom
jost
and
if
any
of
you
get
an
opportunity
spend
time
with
them.
They've
got
some
amazing
solutions
to
what
can
happen
here
at
the
city
of
charleston,
but
I
got
to
say,
irrespective
of
feasibility,
we're
the
greatest
city
in
the
greatest
region.
C
All
of
the
projects
that
we
propose
should
be
aspirational.
I
mean,
ultimately,
that's
been
the
tenet
of
everything
that
we
do
in
the
city
of
charleston
and
in
this
region
having
developed
in
this
region.
I
know,
there's
tremendous
scrutiny
on
the
things
that
we
bring
out
of
the
ground.
So
you
know
the
problem
I'm
having
is
you
know
we're
looking
at
this
in
a
very
rigid
manner
and
look
the
army
corps
of
engineers
is
doing
a
great
job.
C
I've
worked
with
them
individually
with
them
as
a
member
of
a
group
developing
in
this
region,
but
their
task
was
build
a
perimeter
wall
around
the
city
and
make
it
as
least
expensive
as
possible.
That
was
it.
If
that's
going
to
be
the
driving
force
of
how
we
move
this
project
forward,
it's
going
to
be
very
hard
to
support
this.
I
mean
we
should
be
looking
at
things
aspirationally.
If
this
wall
is
going
to
cost
whatever
the
number
is
or
whatever
we
need
to
do.
C
This
is
the
way
they're
going
to
move
forward.
Now
then,
you
there's
the
argument
about
betterments
and
mitigation
okay,
but
I
just
feel
as
though
I
can't
support
something
with
that
much
uncertainty
and
if
we're
going
to
add
one
more
agenda
item
as
we
move
forward,
it's
got
to
be
about
finance.
I
mean
our
funding
committee
has
met
and
we've
had
the
city
present
to
us,
and
you
know
and
now
hearing
about
this.
C
You
know
where
the
state,
the
state
of
south
carolina's
port
authority
sits,
which
is
by
the
way
everyone
should
be
reminded,
is
a
state
agency
right
so
to
get
state
support,
we're
going
to
need
to
have
alignment
there,
and
I
see
that
the
city
doesn't
have
the
money
and
they're
going
to
be
looking
to
different
sources.
Well,
I
think
this.
The
city
owes
it
to
us
to
present
where
this
funding's
coming
from
and
not
just
say,
don't
worry
about
it
once
we
get
to
ped
we're
going
to
find
it.
C
Well
I
mean:
has
the
city
has
have
they
reached
out
to
the
state?
Have
they
reached
out
to
the
county?
Where
is
this
money
coming
from?
In
other
words,
the
way
we
do
things
in
the
private
industry
is
we
create
a
pro
forma
and
we
see
we've
been
told
what
we
think
the
costs
are
well.
Where
is
the
money
coming
from
where's
our
sources
and
uses?
C
And
you
know
that's
why
I
wanted
to
be
part
of
the
funding
committee,
because
I
wanted
to
see
what
exactly
is
going
to
be
produced
to
show
us
or
give
us
confidence
that
this
could
be
funded.
So
you
know,
I
know
you're
working
towards
a
straw
poll.
That's
my
opinion.
My
opinion
is
under
the
current
due
diligence.
C
A
lot
more
needs
to
be
done,
and
I
feel
I
don't
want
to
be
rushed
to
have
to
make
a
decision.
Look.
We
need
to
come
up
with
a
solution,
there's
no
doubt,
but
this
rush
to
try
and
get
to
a
decision
so
that
we
can
make
a
recommendation
if
we
had
to
make
a
recommendation
today.
I
would
strongly
say:
let's
abandon
this
and
move
forward
and
find
the
real
solution
for
the
city
of
charleston
and
for
the
region.
That's
my
two
cents.
A
Yeah,
that's
that's
fair
dan,
I
mean
I
mean
so
just
a
couple
quick
notes
there.
Knowing
that
we're
about
you
know
five
minutes
over,
is
that
my
understanding
and
dale
and
kalen
way
in
here?
I
I,
the
city's
working
on
sources
and
uses
working
on
the
revenues
to
offset
the
cost
right
now,
and
I
think
like
was
mentioned,
there's
going
to
be
some
shortfall.
So
the
question
is
just:
what's
the
amount
of
that
shortfall?
I
think
the
current
cash
outlay
right
now
about
240
million,
as
you've
mentioned
several
times
in
the
past.
H
No
just
as
I
said
at
the
beginning,
I
know
there
were
discussions
before
I
started
on
this.
You
know
I
I
I
didn't
see
any
concrete
evidence
that
there
was
a
strategy
developed
so
amy
and
I
met
last
week
the
end
of
my
first
week
and
we
met
again
with
the
mayor
and
we're
trying
to
come
up
with
a
strategy.
Again,
I
don't
know
which
sources
of
existing
funding
can
be
used
for
this,
which
news
sources
of
potential
funding.
H
There
are
a
number
of
ideas
where
I'm
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
what
each
of
those
may
yield.
So
we
can
get
a
potential
idea
of
what
the
shortfall
just
the
city
perspective
and
then
from
there
see
how
much
we
may
need
from
the
region
and
the
state
again
and
that's
something
that
is
underway
and
I
hope
to
have
you
know
we.
I've
asked
amy
if
I
could
have
that
within
10
days,
and
that
was
a
couple
days
ago,
so
she's
in
the
middle
of
a
grind
with
the
budget.
H
So
and
again,
if
you
watched
last
night,
I
think
it's
important
to
say
that
the
drainage
fund
and
the
stormwater
fees
that
are
that
flow
now
into
particular
pots
of
of
particular
budget
line
items.
Those
are
not
those
will
not
be
touched
for
this,
so
this
would
have
to
be
additional
to
those
just
want
to
clarify
that
the
drainage
storm
water
is
not
a
piggy
bank
for
this.
So.
A
We
have
one
two,
three,
four,
five,
six,
seven,
eight
okay,
so
we
have
the
we
have.
We
have
the
quorum
there.
Okay,
I
know,
there's
there's
the
timing
aspect
of
that.
So
if
you
could
go
ahead
and
incorporate
that
thank
y'all
and
then
I
frankly
lost
track
of
the
order
question.
So
just
as
the
way
it's
shown
on
my
screen
is
susan,
then
herbert
and
the
other
hands.
I
I
wanted
to
just
sort
of
echo
what
dan
was
saying
about
feeling
rushed.
I
know
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
having
meetings
for
five
months,
but
this
meeting
is
a
really
good
example
of
substantive
discussion
and
it's
one
of
the
only
ones
that
we've
really
had,
and
maybe
it's
have
a
new
document
to
deal
with
or
whatever.
I
But
I'm
wondering
if
one
of
my
concerns
has
been
that
we
are
operating
according
to
the
timeline
that
the
army
corps
has
set
and-
and
my
concern
has
been
that
we
should
have
our
own
timeline
and
I'm
not.
I
haven't
thought
that
through
entirely,
but
I
don't.
I
agree
with
dan
that
that
all
of
this
is
really
important
and
we
need
to
be
clear
and
sure
and
and
sort
of
coordinated
about
what
we're
going
to
recommend
if
we're
going
to
recommend.
I
A
Thanks
susan
yeah,
I
knew
this
is
a
follow-up
question
I
mean.
Is
that
I'm
whatever?
Is
there
flexibility
in
that?
In
that
timing?
I
know
we
have
the
so.
The
constraints
I
see
on
our
calendar
are
critical
path
items.
I
guess
you'd
call.
It
is
eleven.
Nine
final
three
by
three.
This
is
what's
on
the
communications
working
group
calendar.
I
have
well
really
10
26.
This
is
a
for
everybody's
individuals.
Four
stops
taking
comments,
prepares
final
report,
1026
also
attentive.
Second
committee
update
to
council.
A
H
H
If
you
don't
meet
that
deadline
and
if
the
city
asks
for
more
time,
it's
certainly
possible,
it
would
mean
that
funding
for
anything
would
probably
not
start
be
available
until
fiscal
2025,
so
the
whole
the
whole
schedule
gets
pushed
because
congress
only
does
verta
bills
every
two
years
at
best.
Sometimes
they've
done
only
four
years.
H
A
G
H
A
Yeah
and
yeah
I
mean
harvard
hey,
feel
free
to
do
that.
If
it's
for
a
reason
I
can
I'm,
you
know
if
anybody
doesn't
have
the
questions,
please
reach
out
to
me,
reach
out
to
herbert
true
answers.
Yes,
I
think
that's
that's
fair,
but
I
think
I
guess
all
those
questions
are
going
to
the
core
is
what
I
heard
I
heard
dale
say
earlier
to
be
addressed
at
the
9
28
meeting.
Is
that
correct,
dale.
H
H
A
H
Is
that
part
of
the
core
I've
discussed
them
with
the
court
already?
I
can
share
this
verbally
with
herbert
on
the
phone,
but
we're
going
to
ask
the
corps
to
respond
to
them
directly
at
the
public
meeting
next
week
and
then
kate
and
I
will
take
the
notes
on
that
and
share
them
with
the
committee,
and
if
that
requires
further
discussion
at
a
successful
meeting
to
this,
then
we'll
do
that.
A
D
D
I'd
suggest
that
each
individual
council
person
just
do
a
little
just
do
a
little
blurb
in
terms
of
where
their
heads
are
at
and
if
that
meets,
you
know
robert's
rules
of
order
in
terms
of
pre-work
and
that
would
constitute
a
form
of
straw
poll
lacking
the
synthesis
of
discussion
debate.
But
maybe
we
can
do
that
at
the
next
meeting.
But
you
know
there
are
some
real,
strong
feelings
lurking
here
that
we're
just
exposing.
D
A
Dually
noted
bob,
and
we
will
reflect
the
minutes
to
craig
admits
to
reflect
your
change.
There
yeah.
No,
I
think
everybody
everybody
agrees
and
anyway
so
that
all
all
sounds
good.
You
know
I.
I
saw
a
couple
notes
in
the
comments
section
by
the
way
on
on
timing,
conflicts,
gail,
maybe
we'll
send
out,
or
you
could
send
out
just
a
handful
of
times
at
work,
knowing
that
we
have
to
be
with
the
clerk
for
a
committee
meeting
by
by
tomorrow
afternoon.
G
B
B
A
B
This
correlates
again
to
the
reminder
for
folks
any
outstanding
core
questions
I
can
try
to
through
my
notes,
put
together
what
was
discussed
today,
but
it
may
be
better,
you
know
jordy
or
dan
or
we
have
herbert's.
If
you
want
to
formulate
your
questions
more
clearly
that
we
can
present
to
get
answers
to
in
writing
from
the
core.
That
would
be
helpful
from
my
end.
A
Great
great
great,
thank
you
all
very
much.
You
know
again
a
reminder.
Please
get
your
comments
in
to
susan's
document.
Please
get
core
questions
in
and
then
be
on
the
lookout
for
calendar
times,
but
again,
very
much
appreciate
everybody's
time,
this
committee
and,
let's
say
I'll,
go
ahead
and
wrap
us
up.