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City of Charleston Army Corps 3x3 Advisory Committee 5/19/21
C
B
C
E
Also
the
perimeter
wall,
analysis
report
and
I'm
sure,
you'll
you'll,
appreciate
also
you've
taken
the
time
for
q,
a
I'm
sure
we'll
be
playing
some
some
defense
as
we
progress,
but
but
yeah
certainly
appreciate
y'all's
time
in
doing
that
and
so
yeah.
If
you
could
mark,
please,
please
introduce
dale
and
andy
to
the
crowd
and
everybody's
familiar
with
their
work.
Given
given
the
context
here,
but
but
yeah,
please,
please
introduce
dale
and
andy
yeah.
B
Thank
you,
hey
good.
What
I'd
like
to
do?
First,
let's
thank
both
andy
and
dale
for
joining
us
today.
As
everybody
on
the
call
knows,
these
two
are
giving
a
lot
more
to
this
city
than
than
is
normal
for
anybody
to
give
to
a
city
that
they
don't
actually
work
for.
So
I
want
to
thank
them
both
for
that
they're,
both
heavily
invested
in
the
city.
B
This
committee
has
kind
of
taken
a
third
look,
if
you
will
at
the
work
that
everybody's
done
so
please
we
want
to
encourage
you
to
ask
questions
if
we
don't
get
a
chance
to
finish
them,
enter
them
on
the
chat
and
I'm
sure
we'll
go
ahead
and
be
able
to
finish
them
up
over
the
next
couple
of
days.
But
at
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
andy
and
again
say
thank
you
to
everybody
and
when
we
get
done
with
the
presentation,
we'll
have
a
lot
of
time
left
for
questions
and
answers.
Thanks.
F
A
Sorry,
sorry,
everyone,
I
I
clicked
the
button,
but
I
guess
not
well
enough.
Dale
morris
director
of
strategic
partnerships
with
the
waters
for
the
gulf
co-founder
of
the
dutch
dialogues
with
andy's
boss,
david
whitener,
we've
done
them
in
a
few
places,
but
one
of
the
most
satisfying
dutch
showers
we
did
was
in
charleston
because
we
can
see
it
leading
to
some
or
contributing
to
very
serious
actions
but
important
actions
within
the
city.
A
So
that's
wonderful
to
see
that
that
impact
prior
to
that
just
was
coordinating
the
dutch
government's
water
management,
climate
adaptation
work
in
the
us
for
15
years,
and
I'm
honored
to
be
part
of
this.
This
presentation
today,
andy's
gonna
and
he's
gonna,
do
the
hard
work
and
I'll
fill
in
as
needed
to
help
him
out,
and
I
look
forward
to
the
questions
afterwards.
Thank
you.
F
All
right,
thank
you,
dale
and
as
dale
they'll
partially
introduce
me,
I'm
andy
stern,
I'm
an
architect
and
urban
designer
wagner
involved
and
leader
of
the
dutch
dialogues
with
david
wagner
and
dale
in
this
report.
In
addition
to
some
water
and
land
analysis
for
the
comprehensive
plan
update
which
is
underway
I'll
reference
that
in
just
a
minute.
C
F
C
F
F
Is
that
visible
to
everyone?
Big
blue
screen?
Okay,
great
so
this
is
this
is
the
result
of
our
analysis
conducted
from
about
october
to
february
it
was
a
short
project,
a
relatively
short,
quick
analysis
with
the
key
members
of
the
dutch
dialogues
team,
and
you
can
see
there
on
the
right
wagner,
ball
water
institute
and
with
key
important
support
from
moff
nickel,
arcadis
and
robinson
design,
engineers
they're
locally.
All
participants
in
the
dutch
dialogue.
F
The
dutch
dialogues
charleston
report
touched
on
the
idea
of
perimeter
protection
and
recommended
it.
So
this
was
a
key
graphic
of
the
of
the
peninsula
concept
as
a
polder,
that's
a
term
I'll
touch
on
again
in
a
moment,
but
you
see
that
this
graphic
here,
one
of
the
key
pieces.
One
of
the
first
layers
is
that
perimeter
defensive
line
with
a
lot
of
other
consideration
about
what
to
do
to
adapt
the
drainage
system
and
urban
space
within
and
add
layers
of
defense
and
ecological
lines
throughout.
F
The
comprehensive
plan
landed
water
analysis.
We
just
wrapped
up
as
the
city
continues.
Its
10-year
update
also
touched
on
the
perimeter,
so
we
we
developed
a
system.
This
is
a
little
bit
of
a
preview
of
ongoing
work
and
we
developed
a
system
of
elevation
elevation-based
zones
across
the
city,
and
this
is
a
zoom
in
of
the
peninsula
zone.
F
You
see
working
down
from
the
top
in
the
high
ground
and
green
that's
area
essentially
not
subject
to
flooding,
but
that
affects
everything
below
it.
The
adapt
zone
in
yellow,
sometimes
subject
to
flooding,
but
especially
consequential
for
its
neighbors
and
then
in
blue.
The
light
blue
and
dark
blue.
The
compound
risk
areas
where
you
can
experience
rain
and
tidal,
flooding
together
and
then
the
tidal
flood
zone
in
darker
blue
at
the
bottom.
F
You
see
much
of
the
peninsula
subject
to
that.
Those
lower
compound
and
tidal
flood
risk
zones
all
that
blue
on
the
peninsula.
On
the
right,
you
see
what
happens
with
the
perimeter,
with
the
army
corps
proposed
perimeter,
basically
taking
that
area
of
the
city
outside
of
that
of
the
tidal
flood
risk
zone.
F
Okay,
the
discovery
report
itself,
like
I
mentioned
and
dale
mentioned,
was
led
by
the
dutch
dialogues
team.
Our
purpose
was
to
review
the
army
corps
analysis
and
to
serve
as
advisors
to
the
city
and
help
the
city
establish
goals,
moving
forward
through
this
process
and
to
determine
really
if
the
process
was
worth
was
worth
pursuing
or
worth
continuing
to
pursue,
and
ultimately,
we
recommended
to
continue
and
I'll
I'll
get
to
that
in
a
little
more
detail.
F
F
F
I
mean
here
you
see
the
funders
of
this
discovery
report,
project
kind
of
public-private
partnership,
bunch
of
stakeholders
around
the
peninsula
and
then
important
to
note
also,
this
was
not
a
short
project
not
intended
to
be
a
full
stakeholder
engagement
public
process.
However,
we
recommend
much
more
robust
public
process
moving
forward.
F
So
a
couple
of
tech
slides
I'm
not
going
to
read
each
one,
but
just
some
initial
observations,
that
sea
level
rise
and
storm
surge
in
our
view
do
merit
this
project
do
merit
perimeter
protection
in
some
form
around
the
peninsula.
The
50-year
storm
is
somewhat
of
a
low
threshold
target
for
a
system
like
this
in
new
orleans.
By
comparison,
the
system
is
designed
for
a
100-year
storm
and
at
that
100-year
threshold
you
have
some
benefit
to
insurance
rates,
for
example.
F
So
this
is.
This
is
the
first
step.
We
see
this
as
the
first
step
towards
a
much
longer
higher
level
of
protection
recommend
multiple
lines
of
defense.
Importantly,
here
number
five:
the
trade-offs
at
the
perimeter
are
many
included,
for
example,
where
to
locate
the
structure.
Where
do
you
locate
that
line
or
that
zone
of
protection?
F
How
does
it
impact
wetlands?
What
is
the
cost
to
mitigate
those
potential
impacts
versus
potential
benefits
of
stormwater
storage
inside?
So
it's
a
constant
trade-off
in
negotiation,
all
the
way
around
and
that's
an
ongoing
process
and
finally,
foreshadowing
here
number
six,
the
need
for
a
water
plan.
In
our
view,
there
are
many
projects,
many
plans
already
underway.
Many
really
solid
efforts
grounding
the
city's
direction.
At
this
point,
many
of
them
still
need
to
be
coordinated.
We
see
that
as
a
key
point.
F
F
We
do
expect
from
our
experience
working
on
working
with
the
army
corps
elsewhere,
that
significant
changes
will
happen
in
head
phase.
So,
however,
this
part
of
the
project
sets
the
context
and
boundaries.
I
think
that's
a
really
key
point,
so
we
need
the
city
needs
an
understanding
going
into
ped
of
its
goals,
its
desired
outcomes
for
this
project
and
surrounding
it.
In
addition
to
it,
there
is
some
ability
to
adapt
this
line
to
adapt
the
structure
at
that
point,
but
the
city
needs
a
clear
perspective
before
ped
begins
what
it's
looking
for.
F
The
cost
share
number
seven
here-
won't
linger
on
the
cost
chair
concept
too
much
today,
but
that
also
occurs
in
phases.
There's
a
there's
a
need
in
november
for
the
city
to
establish
its
cost-share
commitment
for
the
project,
its
financial
ability
to
meet
the
cost
share.
However,
the
actual
payments
for
that
cost
share
will
occur
over
time
as
pet
phase
plays
out.
That
could
be
over
the
next
five
eight
ten
years.
Who
knows
as
those
phases
are
approved
and
proceed?
F
Okay,
eight
and
nine
here,
I
think,
are
important
the
if
the
city
decides
to
proceed
with
this
process
beyond
november.
There
are
a
couple
of
ancillary
benefits
that
we
identify
economic
benefit,
just
injecting
this
amount
of
money
into
the
local
economy,
to
pursue
this
project
and
the
development
of
significant
data.
This
data
resources
that
the
city
can
use
for
many
purposes
surrounding
the
peninsula
as
the
project
is
investigated.
F
F
The
private
sector
will
continue
to
adapt
itself
in
a
way
that
is
not
necessarily
coordinated
for
the
benefit
of
the
whole
people.
People
rationally
and
you
can
imagine
protecting
themselves
and
their
own
property
may
have
adverse
impacts
on
their
neighbors
and
may
contribute
not
contribute
to
an
ideal
internal
drainage
system,
for
example,
filling
fill
use
of
fill
other
things
like
that
and
can
have
negative
benefits
in
an
uncoordinated
way.
F
Okay,
brief,
briefly,
the
points
of
analysis
we
touched
on
we're
trying
to
expand
that
perimeter
alignment
into
a
zone.
The
army
corps
has
proposed
one
line
and
have
studied
a
number
of
alignments,
but
ultimately
are
proposing
one
alignment.
We
recommend
looking
at
this
perimeter
as
as
a
zone
a
place
of
negotiation
with
stakeholders
all
the
way
around.
F
F
F
F
How
does
ecology
function
within
the
system
and
outside
what
happens
to
those
wetlands
around
the
edge?
How
can
nature-based
solutions
contribute
to
the
solution
here?
What
are
operations
and
maintenance
considerations,
some
that
the
army
corps
may
not
be
considering?
This
is
an
important
factor,
because
the
army
corps
finishes
its
construction
work
and
turns
over.
The
keys
to
the
city.
Army
corps
is
not
responsible
for
long-term
o
m,
so
the
city
needs
to
understand
what
it's
committing
to
here,
long
term
and
importantly,
finally,
urban
design
and
historic
preservation.
F
F
Just
one
slide
here
per
each
of
those
five
give
you
a
sense.
This
is
risk
management
about
and
internal
water.
So
what
happens
to
those
water
levels
just
a
diagram
of
the
of
the
relative
types
of
storms?
The
city
may
face
over
time.
Some
of
these
are
very
extreme
long-term
storms
that
would
be
expected
to
over
top
the
wall.
As
it's
designed
over
top
that
12-foot
elevation.
That's
part
of
the
design
criteria.
That's
not
considered.
A
failure
of
the
system
that
wave
over
topping
wherever
it
may
occur,
has
to
be
accommodated.
F
So
the
internal
drainage
system
has
to
be
retrofitted
and
designed
for
that
extra
water.
That
can
be
done.
That
also
plays
into
where
the
alignment
actually
happens.
If
there's
a
little
more
space
inside
the
alignment,
you
have
more
room
to
adapt
and
manage
that
water.
The
alignment's
really
tight
up
against
this
developed
city.
You
don't
have
as
much
room
to
manage
that
water
before
it
becomes
flooding
and
then,
finally,
this
polder
concept.
How
do
you
think
about
the
peninsula
as
a
as
a
discrete
a
water
unit?
F
F
F
How
can
we
use
nature
based
adaptations?
A
photo
here
is
from
norfolk,
a
project
of
ours
underway
with
arcadis
developing
a
living
shoreline
to
protect
a
low-lying
community
there
on
the
coast,
and
how
do
we
maintain
tidal
flows
through
the
structure,
at
least
in
the
short
term,
say
before
sea
levels
are
projected
to
rise
too
far,
to
maintain
ecological
health
on
both
sides
of
this
barrier,
o
m
some
of
the
things
I
alluded
to
about
long-term
costs
here,
but
movable
and
temporary.
We
see
as
huge
red
flags
for
risk
and
cost.
F
This
photo
here
is
of
a
gate,
storm
surge
gate
at
the
lakefront
in
new
orleans,
but
this
is
the
type
of
structure
that
could
be
expected
to
be
developed
through
ped,
the
type
of
structures
the
army
corps
develops
elsewhere.
This
is
something
the
city
would
have
to
operate.
Imagine
an
emergency
situation.
Somebody's
got
to
go
out
there
beforehand
and
close
any
of
these
structures,
or
else
that's
a
weak
point
in
the
system.
So
it's
a
it's
a
risk.
F
Annual
costs
need
to
be
addressed,
need
to
be
calculated
and
need
to
be
studied.
What
the
the
cost
the
army
corps
proposes,
need
to
be
studied
carefully
and
finally,
most
places
that
manage
a
perimeter
system
like
this
have
have
a
dedicated
authority,
a
dedicated
staff,
whether
that's
rotterdam
or
new,
orleans,
surrounded
by
levies.
F
F
And
finally,
the
last
criteria
here,
obviously
the
visual
impacts
are
primary
for
this
structure
and
and
they
need
to
be,
it
needs
to
be
integrated
both
in
terms
of
use
and
and
visual.
Aesthetic
into
the
historic
cities
of
charleston
is
a
primary
american
asset
in
terms
of
its
history.
Urban
form
transportation
needs
to
be
very
carefully
integrated
from
roads
to
the
ashley
river
bike
bridge
to
new
potential
pedestrian
connections
around
the
whole
perimeter
and
the
new
types
of
park
spaces
that
this
project
might
be
used
to
develop,
to
link
all
the
way
around.
F
So
we
took
a
look
at
the
army
corps,
optimized
alignment
as
of
about
october
november-
and
here
you
see
just
our
map
of
that
of
that
line
proposed
at
12
feet
navd.
So
you
see
how
that
kind
of
stacks
up
the
green
is
everything
below
and
the
brown
is
everything
above
so
there's
not
much
land
elevation
higher
than
the
proposed
12
feet
on
the
peninsula.
F
Like
I
mentioned
before,
we're
trying
to
ultimately
break
expand
this
from
a
line
to
the
zone.
So
here's
the
proposed
alignment.
You
see
it
in
plan
on
the
left
and
then
the
section.
It's
basically
just
one
structure,
it's
one
line
with
outside
inside
what
we're
proposing
the
way
we
propose
to
look
at
this
moving
forward
is
that
negotiable
zone
so
trying
to
expand
and
pink
here.
What
is
the
kind
of
minimum?
What
is
that?
F
How
tight
can
you
get
this
possible
structure
and
how
far
out
could
you
possibly
push
it
and
somewhere
in
between
is
where
it
would
actually
end
up?
That's
a
that's
an
outcome
that
is
developed
through
lots,
more
engagement
and
conversation
with
these
perimeter
stakeholders.
In
fact
everyone
on
the
peninsula
and
surrounding,
but
this
alignment
zone
provides
some
benefits.
F
F
So
ped
phase,
it
is
broken
up
by
the
defined
by
the
army
core
in
four
parts.
So
pen
phase
one
is
proposed
as
a
lockwood
corridor.
I
think
you
all
are
familiar
with
this
at
this
point
and
then
moving
around
low
and
high
battery
up
the
east
side
and
then
finally
wagner
terrace
area
has
phase
four.
We
see
possible
opportunities
here
to
adjust
the
phasing
a
bit
and
adjust
the
types
of
structures
that
might
be
considered
for
those
phases.
So
these
are
questions
to
pursue.
Going
forward,
should
phase
two
and
three
be
flipped.
F
A
lockwood,
as
first
phase
makes
sense
due
to
the
medical
district
there
and
its
importance
as
a
regional
health,
health
center,
regional,
a
level
one
trauma
center,
but
maybe
the
east
side
could
use
protection
first
and
take
advantage
of
the
existing
protection
provided
by
the
batteries.
For
example,
there's
currently
no
surge
protection
for
many
parts
of
the
east
side
today
and
then
finally
face
headphase
four
here
in
the
citadel
in
wagner
terrace.
Maybe
that's
an
area
due
to
the
really
pristine
nature
of
marsh
there
to
consider
nature-based
solutions.
F
Maybe
there's
not
an
engineered
wall
type
structure.
There
at
all,
maybe
there's
another
approach,
and
since
this
ped
phase
four
is
projected
to
occur
so
far
in
the
future,
maybe
five
or
eight
years
from
now
a
lot
of
technology
and
environmental
thought
is
underway
right
now
and
will
be
developed
by
them.
So
maybe
there's
a
different
approach
by
the
time.
F
Ped
phase
gets
around
to
think
about
how
to
protect
that
neighborhood
in
a
more
natural
way,
and
it's
also
importantly,
wagner
terrace
due
to
the
natural
topography
of
the
peninsula
is
a
separate
sort
of
enclave.
It's
quote
severable,
so
the
type
of
protection
that
occurs
in
wagner
terrace
can
be
thought
of
separately
from
the
rest
of
the
perimeter
system.
F
So
a
quick,
quick
idea
here
about
what
the
boulder,
what
a
polar
actually
is
and
what
it
means
on
the
left.
You
see
the
existing
peninsula
system,
so
the
bottom
left
image
basically
shows
rainfall
falling
on
the
peninsula
and
running
off
into
the
rivers,
and
some
of
it
is
captured
underground.
Some
of
it
goes
into
a
deep
pool
system,
but
it's
ultimately
flowing
by
gravity
to
the
edge
when
you
think
about
raising
the
perimeter
for
storm
surge
protection
and
sea
level
rise
protection.
You've
now
got
this
kind
of
bathtub
condition.
F
You
see
the
red
lines
in
the
bottom
right,
so
you've
got
that
elevated
edge
and
you
need
to
manage
water
inside
in
a
different
way.
This
is
where
that
extra
space
for
water
inside
the
line
becomes
really
important,
because,
whereas
each
of
those
gravity
points
today
feed
to
a
specific
outlet
in
the
future,
those
will
be
blocked.
F
Those
could
be
blocked
by
this
system
and
may
need
connections
inside.
So
you
need
to
you
need
to
move
water
inside
the
system
to
get
to
these
pump
stations
and
to
get
to
natural
storage
areas,
so
we
think
the
more
space
we
can
use
inside
the
inside
the
system,
even
if
it's
not
fully
designed
today,
will
be
beneficial
in
the
future
and
allow
for
more
options
to
adapt.
F
Just
a
quick
little
sketch
here
of
what
multiple
lines
of
defense
might
mean
on
the
charleston
peninsula:
that's
everything
from
the
alignment
and
the
barrier
itself
and
how
you
might
inhabit
that
in
different
ways,
something
like
the
high
battery,
but
it
means
a
lot.
It
means
extra
levels
of
protection
outside
and
inside,
so
that
might
be
wave
attenuators
outside
help
knock
down
the
waves
a
little
bit
it
might.
F
That
might
also
allow
marsh
to
grow
and
keep
up
with
sea
level
rise
if
designed,
properly
nature-based
stormwater
storage
inside
the
line
of
protection
integrated
with
that
pump
station.
Beyond
that,
you
see
it's
also
tied
down
and
integrated
with
the
deep
tunnels,
maybe
new
types
of
bioswales,
maybe
even
new
types
of
perimeter-
canals
where
they
fit
where,
where
appropriate
and
raising
some
key
roads
and
buildings.
So
all
of
these
things
operate
together
to
help
protect
the
city
and
manage
water
inside
and
out
these.
F
These
types
of
systems
are
already
in
place
in
the
netherlands
on
the
top
image.
Here
you
see
a
road
that
also
functions
as
an
internal
levee,
I'm
kind
of
integrated
with
the
materials
and
the
character
of
the
city
and
the
bottom
picture
on
the
left.
The
western
single
in
rotterdam
is
actually
a
storm
water
storage
park
so
that
whole
park
most
of
the
time,
looks
like
this,
but
it
can
fill
up
and
make
a
heavy
rain
and
really
actually
contributes
to
the
value
of
the
surrounding
place.
F
There's
some
examples
in
charleston
that
can
inspire
these
future
solutions
already,
whether
it's
the
historic
character
of
the
high
battery,
that's
been
there
for
160
years
or
or
this
kind
of
sullivan's
island
example
on
the
bottom
photo
where
a
breakwater
was
built
and
a
marsh
grew
behind
it.
So
this
the
structure
can
can
integrate
with
nature,
maybe
in
a
material
in
an
environmental
way
that
actually
provides
other
other
benefits.
F
Okay,
wrapping
up
really,
we
have
three
just
three
key
recommendations.
The
first
is
to
proceed
incrementally
with
the
army
corps
process,
so
we
do
recommend
continuing
to
engage
the
army
corps.
We
do
recommend
to
pursue
a
perimeter.
A
raised
perimeter
option
this
opportunity
to
cost
share.
The
structure
with
the
federal
government
can
be
opportune
for
the
city
if
the
right,
if
the
city
sets
its
goals
properly,
to
achieve
what
it
what
it
wants.
F
F
F
F
So
these
these
things
are
a
little
bit
of
a
head
start
and
just
need
to
be
better
integrated,
especially
with
transportation
and
public
space
and
ecology.
These
multiple
lines
of
defense,
the
key,
is
here
at
the
end.
Real
purpose
of
the
water
plant
here
is
to
get
ahead
of
pet
phase
to
set
the
parameters
for
that
work
to
come,
but
also
provide
these
other
benefits
for
the
peninsula
as
a
whole.
F
Maybe
that
looks
like,
for
example,
the
coordinated
recreational
park
space.
All
the
way
around
anything
that
happens
through
the
army
corps
project
should
be
multi-functional,
multi-benefit
and
finally,
here
last
slide
last
recommendation.
The
clear
stakeholder
engagement
and
communication
process
is
really
needed,
going
forward
to
negotiate
what
happens
in
this
alignment
zone.
One
of
the
first
recommendations
of
ours
was
to
create,
in
fact
this
council
and
committee,
and
we're
really
happy
to
be
talking
to
you
today
and
that
you're
empowered
in
this
role,
but
finally
I'll
just
end
on
this
point
here.
F
They
don't
exist
in
the
right
place
currently,
for
example,
around
union
peer
or
the
port
property.
We
think
that
that
alignment
should
be
moved
and
we
think
there's
widespread
agreement
for
adjusting
some
of
these
lines.
So
I
think
it's
important
to
stop
talking
about
the
bad
alignments
that
people
that
the
city
knows
it
doesn't
like
and
focus
on
the
positives
focus
on
where
it
should
go.
F
A
Yeah,
thank
you.
Andy.
That's
just
a
wonderful
summation
of
all
the
work
that
was
done.
It's
terrific
work,
we
stand,
we
stand
behind
it.
We
think
it
creates
a
vision.
We,
I
think,
as
a
team,
we
understand.
We
appreciate
the
need
to
deal
with
the
surge
risk
within
the
city.
We
think
it's
real.
We
think
it's
substantial
and
anything
the
city
can
do
to
mitigate
it
is
is
probably
essential
to
future
the
future
of
charleston.
A
That
said,
surge
is
but
one
risk
and
there
are
other
risks
for
risk
water
risks
in
the
city,
in
addition
to
other
economic
and
development
and
historical
needs.
So
how
to
integrate?
That
is
going
to
be
important
and,
unfortunately,
the
army
corps
process,
and
it's
not
the
army
corps
fault.
It's
it's
just
the
way
congress
and
procedures
that
have
developed
over
the
last
50
years
have
evolved.
A
And
if
you
stop
that
process
now
you
have
the
surge
risk
and
no
possible
solution
or
no
obvious
solution
that
comes
along
with
with
the
funding.
That
would
help
to
create
that.
So
this
is
an
iterative
process.
I
think
andy
summed
it
up
right
is
you
know,
let's
move,
let's
move
forward
with
this
process,
however,
be
very
rare,
be
very
aware
and
clear
about
what
is
acceptable
and
what
is
not.
As
this
thing
moves
forward.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
all
very
much,
certainly
appreciate
y'all's
time
and
and
walking
us
through
that.
Of
course,
it
was
a
it's
a
great
report
and
all
did
a
great
job
summarizing
the
information
for
the
purposes
of
what
we're
doing
here.
The
way
we
framed
this
committee
at
the
outset
was,
you
know,
go
through
three
high-level
items.
One
is
is:
is
this
bermuda
wall
necessary
in
any
iteration
number?
One
number
two
is
that
solution,
something
we
can
live
with
and
how
do
we
modify
it?
E
If
it's
not
something
we
can
live
with
and
then
number
three
is
you
know
if
both
of
those
are
answered
in
the
affirmative
in
some
way,
then
how
do
we?
How
do
we
pay
for
that,
and
so
you
know
starting
at
the
beginning,
and
this
would
be
a
simple
question,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
help
frame
out
our
discussion
here.
You
know
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
I've
heard
from
the
committee
members
are
regarding
prioritization
prioritization
of
this
of
this
cost.
So
you
know
rough
math.
E
I
believe
it's
a
you
know:
120
million
dollars
committed
in
five
years
and
spent
over
10
years.
You
know
for
the
city,
and
so
you
know
it's
a
very
you
know,
of
course,
a
very
valid
point
and
great
question,
and
so
you
know
I'd
like
for
y'all
to
if
you
could
kind
of
touch
on
that
quickly
and
and
also
I
am
going
to
go,
could
everybody
who
has
a
as
a
question
and
kevin?
Thank
you
for
sending
that
in?
F
I
think
to
dale
I'd
like
to
hand
this
over
to
you,
but
just
one
one
thought
about
the
prioritization
of
of
cost.
I
think
it's
important
in
our
view
to
see
this
as
an
investment
and
compared
there's,
there's
a
no
cost
scenario,
no
action
scenario
and
the
risk
potential
risk
and
cost
of
that
of
that
scenario
from
a
damage
point
of
view,
but
I
think
it's
it's
important
fundamentally
to
see
an
investment
city's
investment
as
something
that
has
to
deliver
more
benefit
than
just
a
perimeter
protection
structure.
F
F
A
Sure
again,
I
I
think
you
have
to
consider
you
know
straight
economics.
What
is
your?
What
is
your
your
starting
point?
If
you
do
nothing,
if
you
do
nothing,
you're
going
to
maintain
this
surge
risk
and
charleston
surge
risk
isn't
as
high
as
you
have
in
in
houston
or
in
some
other
gulf
coast
communities,
but
the
south.
The
southeast
east
atlanta,
closed,
does
get
hit
with
a
number
of
the
surge
events,
some
just
tropical
storms.
A
A
If
this
is
an
urban
environment,
it
is
something
you
do
not
want
to
see,
and
it
is
something
you
want
to
avoid,
and
it
is
something
that
this
surge
structure
cost
will
be
seen
as
inexpensive
compared
to
the
impacts
of
a
surge
event.
So
I
think
you
need
to
understand
so
that's
sort
of
a
starting
point.
Surge
events
are
awful.
They
destroy
lives,
property
economic
activity
and
it
takes
20
years
to
recover
from
new
orleans
is
still
dealing
with
the
impacts
of
katrina.
A
A
So
these
events
you
want
to
avoid,
if
you
can
so
that's
a
starting
point,
the
challenge
for
this
issue
is
okay.
How
can
you
mitigate
that
surge
event
in
a
cost-effective
way
and
achieve
these
other
benefits,
these
other
goals
that
are
needed,
because
once
you
create
this
structure,
you
you're
going
to
impound
storm
water,
and
what
do
you
do
with
that?
How
do
you?
How
do
you
deal
with
the
cost
of
that?
Once
you
build
the
structure
you're
going
to
have
to
maintain
it?
How
do
you
deal
with
the
cost
of
that?
A
You
know
you
have
costs
now
that
are
ongoing
regarding
just
recurrent
flooding
and
tidal
impacts.
Those
are
those
are
increasing.
They
are
not
likely
to
decrease,
so
those
are
costs
on
that
side
of
the
equation
that
you
also
have
to
put
in
here
against
the
cost
of
the
structure
and
the
challenge
for
this
structure
and
a
tidal
control
structure
is
that
the
is
that
this
structure
is
not
designed
or
will
not
be
designed
to
operate
as
a
title
control
structure.
A
Who
knows,
I
think
it
will,
because
I
think
the
evidence
on
on
approaching
climate
risk
mitigation
flood
risk
mitigation
on
this,
it's
becoming
more
socialized.
If
you
look
at
even
how
the
army
corps
of
engineers
internally
has
approached
surge
risk
seal
rise
on
top
of
it,
it
has
evolved
substantially
and
positively.
In
my
opinion,
in
the
last
decade-
and
I
think
that
will
continue-
and
we
see
work
going
on
within
the
army
corps
of
engineers
in
other
areas
where
they
are
trying
to
better
understand,
nature-based
solutions.
A
A
Now
we
need
to
try
to
improve
it,
for
we
need
to
try
to
improve
it
for
the
city
of
charleston,
and
if
you
can
do
that,
these
costs
will
be
spread
out
in
a
different
way
and
you'll
get
different
benefits.
You
can
quantify
so
there's
a
you
know:
the
benefit
cost
ratio,
the
benefit,
cost
analysis
process
for
the
corps
of
engineers
on
this
is
very
tortured.
A
The
core
leadership
is
struggling
with
how
to
make
this
more
open
and
beneficial
and
conducive
to
the
assessment
and
the
valuation
of
nature-based
outcomes
and
outcomes
that
includes
social
and
environmental
benefits.
So
the
core
is
moving
in
that
direction.
Can
we
take
this
moment
in
this
opportunity
to
allow
charleston
to
to
lead
some
of
that?
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity
here,
sorry
that
I
went
and
done
a
little
bit
of
a
haul,
but
that's
related
to
other
work
that
I'm
doing.
I
think.
F
I
think
just
to
just
to
put
put
a
point
on
it.
If
you
spend
120
million
in
the
first
five
years
and
all
you
get
is
a
wall,
it's
a
failed
project
and
I
think
there's
no
there's
no,
there's
no
way
around
that
it
has
to
deliver
much
more
and
you
have
to
have
the
that
understanding
and
as
much
of
a
guarantee
as
possible
as
soon
as
possible
that
it
will.
E
Sure
we'll
well.
Thank
you.
That's
a
very
detailed
answer.
I
appreciate
the
the
clarification
as
well
and
next
question
comes
from
kevin
mills,
the
south
carolina
aquarium,
president
and
ceo
of
the
south
carolina
aquarium
in
assessing
risk
of
over-topping
water,
diversion,
etc.
Where
dynamic
storm
effects
such
as
wave
elevation,
water
volume,
velocity
and
wind
direction,
modeled
and
considered.
F
They
found
they
were
modeling
things
like
the
reach
of
wind,
the
amount
of
space
outside
the
wall
for
those
waves
to
build
up
and
a
whole
bunch
of
ranges
of
scenarios
of
water
levels.
So
so
short
answer
is.
Yes,
I
think
the
army
corps
did
a
much
more
detailed
analysis
that
fundamentally
confirmed
the
similar
points.
A
Yeah
they're
required
under
the
csrm
project
to
do
this
modeling.
The
though
I
think
what
andy
indicates
is
in
our
study.
We
were
very
worried
about
wave
over
topping,
impacts
and,
and
things
like
that,
because
that's
that's
storm
water,
that's
water,
that's
impounded!
So
it's
going
to
have
to
store
man,
otherwise
manage,
and
so
the
mother
nickel
study
looked
at.
A
Looked
at
those
considerations
to
see
what
additional
water
volumes
were
going
to
be
needed
to
be
managed
by
the
city
inside
this
structure
and
and
the
army
corps
process
did
not
have
to
manage
that
too
much.
So
their
process
doesn't
really
deal
with
those
impacts
because
of
the
way
they
look
at
the
impact
of
wave
over
topping
or
water
volumes
that
over
top
the
wall
and
who
who's
responsible
for
that
in
the
army
corps
version
of
this
that's
the
city's
responsibility.
F
A
Yeah
and
one
other
thing
mark-
we
want
to
talk
about
this.
The
army
corps
of
engineers
is
right
now
doing
an
internal
hydrology
study
or
they
were
they
were
about
to
start
on
it.
I
don't
know
if
they
started
mark,
but
that
is
part
of
this
process.
They
need
to
understand
the
the
internal
hydrology
of
the
peninsula,
and
so
that
that
study
was
not
done
initially
with
the
initial
surge
risk
evaluation,
but
it
is
being
done
now
and
that
is
going
to
be
good
information.
I
think.
B
E
E
So
for
specifically
regarding
encouraging
the
city
to
prioritize
prioritize
flood
mitigation,
and
the
question
is:
how
would
the
recommended
water
plan
be
accomplished
and
how
long
would
it
take?
It
seems
to
me
to
be
the
first
step,
and
you
know
this
is
I'll.
Add
my
own
question
this
I'm
sure,
because
I
think
the
the
last
sentence,
who
probably
thinking
the
same
thing,
what
does
that
look
like
from
a
critical
path
standpoint
as
it
relates
to
the
ongoing
core
efforts
and
what
would
be
time
constraints
there.
C
F
This
is
a
this
is
a
really
important
thing.
I
think
there's
there's
different
ways
to
look
at
it.
If
it
already
existed,
it
may
have
influenced
the
core
process
itself.
To
this
point,
however,
that
gap
that
I
talked
about
through
2022
before
the
startup
head
phase,
I
think
is-
is
especially
critical
and
I
and
I
think
that's
about
the
length
of
time
that
might
be
expected
for
a
thorough,
integrated
effort
we're
here
today
and
and
nothing's
going
in
the
ground,
yet
nothing's
fully
funded.
F
That's
that's
the
outcome
that
we're
that
we're
really
aiming
for
is
making
that
investment
the
right
one.
So
I
think
in
my
mind,
if,
if
we're
thinking
about
a
water
plan,
it's
it's
achieved
sometime
in
the
next
year
to
year
and
a
half,
perhaps,
but
certainly
with
enough
lead
time
before
any
potential
beginning
of
ped
phase
in
order
to
directly
influence
that
outcome
in
terms
of
which
goals
and
ambitions
are
set.
F
F
All
of
those
things
should
take
into
account
a
future
scenario
with
the
raised
perimeter
that
that
perimeter
edge
changes
some
some
factors
in
all
of
those
all
those
designs,
just
to
make
sure
that
it's
a
no
regrets
investment
all
of
all
of
those
other
activities.
So
so
there's
the
2023
to
keep
in
mind.
But
I
think
there's
also
that
as
soon
as
possible
question
for
all
of
these
efforts
that
are
that
are
already
underway.
Real
significant
things
happening
right
now,.
A
Right,
in
addition
to
the
project
base
that
that
charleston
already
has
completed-
or
it's
it's
planning
to
complete,
which
is
admirable,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
cities
aren't
doing
this
aggressively
as
aggressively
as
charleston.
Is
I
mean
you
have
the
vulnerability
analysis
that
I'll
have
all
hazards
and
risk
analysis
that
was
conducted?
You
know
two
years
ago
you
have
your
sea
level
rise
strategy.
You
have
the
comprehensive
plan
update
underway.
These
are
components
of
a
water
plan
and
the
water
plant
is
trying
to
create
a
vision.
A
You
know
a
direction
and
a
vision
for
the
city
to
follow
it.
It
identifies
some
opportunities
and
some
needs,
but
it
will
also
not
straight
jack
jacket,
but
it
will
require
the
core
of
engineers
in
pet
phase
to
deal
with
it,
that
the
city
has
already
expressed
its
vision
about
what
it
wants
to
achieve,
with
with
surge
protection
with
internal
hydrology
with
storm
water
management
with
with
recurrent
tidal
flooding,
and
how
that
how
that
changes
over
time?
A
That's
what
this
that's,
what
a
water
plan
will
tee
up,
and
so
that
becomes
a
starting
point.
It
becomes
the
agenda.
You
know
we,
we
had
an
agenda
for
this
meeting
and
the
goal
there
is
to
focus
everyone
on
that
and
to
not
get
devolved
into
into
odd.
Whatever
odd
discussions
about
things
that
are
relevant
and
that's
what
the
water
plan
will
do,
it'll
give
the
city's
vision
to
the
corps
of
engineers
and
the
corps
will
have
to
manage
it.
A
There
must
be
some
things
in
the
water
plan
that
the
poor
will
say
not
our
job,
and
that
may
be
absolutely
true,
but
mark
can
talk
about
this.
We
know
we
know
it
through
other
places
is
in
iowa
with
you
know,
there's
a
there's,
a
a
flood
risk
mitigation
project
that
had
a
sort
of
vision
going
on
in
between
the
commitment
to
the
project
and
before
their
version
of
pets
started
and
the
army
corps
of
engineers
says.
Aha,
we
have
to
follow
this.
A
We
have
to
manage
this
and
that's
what
a
water
plan
will
do,
but
I
also
think
there's
one
more
important
factor
here:
citywide
is:
there
is
a
pressing
need
to
get
if
the
city
commits
to
moving
forward
with
this
process
with
the
army
corps.
There's
a
pressing
need
to
get
a
water
plan
developed
for
the
peninsula,
but
there
are
other
boroughs
and
parts
of
the
city
that
should
also
have
a
water
plan.
C
A
A
A
B
Susan,
this
is
mark,
I
I
think,
the
way
that
would
work.
Like
all
other
city
procurements.
We
would
define
the
scope
and
what
the
city
was
looking
for
in
a
water
plan
and
then
it
would
be
advertised
out
and
people
would
bid
on
it
and
we
would
have
a
process
for
selecting
the
contractor
or
the
consultants
that
that
particular
committee
chose
as
appropriate.
So
there's
no
predetermination.
There
would
be
any
particular
group
that
would
have
to
be
something
to
advertise
for.
D
D
E
Dan
had
the
let
me
get
to
dan
first,
do
you
mind
since
he
had
that
next
question
and
then
I'm
gonna?
If
everybody
I
know
some
people
have
to
drop
off,
but
I'm
going
to
just
push
this
out
for
30
minutes
for
anybody
that
can
be
there,
and
so
I'm
going
to
get
to
dan's
question
next
and
you'll
be
right
after
that,
and
then
laura
you'll
you'll
be
after
bob,
but
bob
I
got
you
on
there
and
see
your
hand
up
and
yep.
Sorry.
Sorry,
I
jump
in
front
of
you.
E
I
just
want
to
just
want
to
go.
Go
in
order
here,
but
yeah
question
from
from
from
dan
batista,
who
was
the
senior
vice
president
southeast
regional
leader
for
lowe's
hospitality
is
the
question:
is
your
recommendation
includes
setting
the
rules
with
the
army
corps
of
engineers?
Can
you
provide
more
detail
on
how
the
city
should
pursue
setting
the
guidelines,
including
informing
them
where
we
do
not
agree
with
the
proposed
alignments.
F
I
think
the
the
first
opportunity
is
in
well
now,
through
the
eis
to
been
through
the
comment
period
and
through
engagement
through
that
process,
to
fight
to
define
what
the
impacts
are
and
what
it,
what
impact,
what
the
city
sees
as
impacts
right.
Second
opportunity
is
the
city's
response
letter
in
november
to
accompany
this
project
and
then
interim
in
the
meanwhile,
it's
defining.
However,
the
city
sees
fit,
whether
that's
a
spatial
definition
or
an
aesthetic
definition
or
other
other
aspects
of
of
planning
in
advance.
That
ped
would
then
conform
to.
A
You
know,
if
you
think
of
this
structure
with
those
kinds
of
gates
that
have
that
cross
transportation,
corridors
on
morrison
or
on
lockwood,
and
you
have
recurrent
flooding
tidal
flooding.
I
just
I
just
can't
imagine
that
being
very
efficient.
I
know
it
won't
be
efficient
and
it's
going
to
be
a
nuisance,
and
so
the
city
needs
to
clarify.
Now,
okay,
the
lockwood
align
the
lockwood
alignment
right
now
needs
to
be
revisited
and
it
cannot
have
or
should
not
have
these
crossing
structures.
A
So
I
think
that's
important
and
I
do
think
in
all
honesty
not
to
put
any
pressure
on
the
folks
on
this
call.
But
this
citizen
advisory
committee
also
has
a
clear
role
in
advising
the
city
of
what
it
wants
and
what
it
deems
appropriate
and
how
it
should
move
forward.
And
I
know
you
know
that,
but
I
think
it's
important
that
you
exercise
that
authority
as
best
you
can.
H
So
that
that's
a
great
point
dale
and
I'd
like
to
just
clarify
that
for
this
advisory
committee,
I
think
it's
fantastic-
that
we're
bringing
this
to
the
forefront,
but
also
to
address
susan's
point.
I
think
we've
we've
come
to
true
potential
recommendations,
and
I
think
that
we
should
be
making
them.
And,
mr
chairman,
I'm
assuming
that
this
would
be
a
formal
recommendation.
I
think
the
first
one
is
what
susan
brought
up
is
that
the
city.
D
D
Let
me
just
read
these
fast
and
then
maybe
the
responses
can
come
after
the
meeting,
so
the
first
one
was
applaud
the
focus
on
having
the
city
develop
and
integrating
comprehensive
water
plan.
How
do
we
best
press
for
a
plan
for
the
a
plan
for
the
plan
who's
in
charge?
How
much
will
it
cost?
How
is
it
funded?
What
are
the
milestones
in
the
process
for
public
adoption
and
endorsement?
D
So
that's
one.
The
second
one
was
if
three
by
three
fails
as
a
project
and
friends:
doesn't
win,
federal
and
or
non-federal
funding,
etc,
etc,
etc.
What
is
plan
b
seems?
We
are
happily
relying
on
three
by
three
and
presume
it
is
viable
in
all
aspects
and
the
third
and
that
that
sort
of
harkens
back
to
earlier
comments
about
doing
a
comprehensive
risk
assessment
on
how
do
we
stand
relative
to
other
shooters
of
army
corps
of
engineers,
limited
funding
to
pull
off
this
kind
of
a
project?
D
The
third
was
the
milestone.
Pert
chart
is
fantastic.
To
finally
see
it,
it
really
provides
good
clarity,
but
isn't
the
construction
period
14
to
20
years,
and
that
only
starts
after
federal
funding,
presumably
in
the
2022
water
bill,
and
then
the
pd
goes
for
two
to
three
years
and
then
construction
starts
one
year
after
the
conclusion
of
ped.
A
There's
a
lot
there
holy
smokes,
so
andy
I'll
take
some
of
these,
and
maybe
you
can
figure
out
what
I
forget.
So
if,
if
the,
if
the
three
by
three
fails,
if
this
process
fails,
if
the
city
decides
to
not
pursue
current
engagement
or
continue
to
engage
in
with
the
corps
of
engineers,
I
mean
you
know,
I
think
stormwater
and
public
works
and
emergency
folks
march
management.
A
Folks
in
the
city
or
transportation
force,
you're
gonna
have
to
figure
out
how
they
themselves
and
collaborate,
but
also
individually
achieve
flood
risk
mitigation.
Investments
alongside
the
storm
water
management,
investments
and
tidal,
tidal
flooding,
investments
that
are
going
to
be
needed
and
all
those
things
are
now
sort
of
haphazard,
ad
hoc.
A
So
it's
going
to
require
the
city
then
to
have
a
comprehensive
strategy
for
itself
and
then
the
city
does
not
have
a
surge,
a
focus
on
surge
right
now,
because
perhaps
this
army
court
process
has
allowed
people
to
think
while
the
army
corps
is
taking
care
of
that
or
we're
taking
care
of
that
through
this
process.
Thus,
we
don't
have
to
think
about
it
separately,
but
the
city
would
have
to
think
about
that
separately
and
again,
and
the
surge
risks
are
very
substantial
going
forward.
A
You
know,
if
you
think,
of
a
50
or
or
100-year
planning
cycle.
This
is
you
know,
your
risks
are
real
and
the
likelihood
of
having
a
bad
event
are
substantial.
Otherwise,
the
corps
of
engineers
wouldn't
have
teed
up
this
csrm
for
you.
If
they
didn't
believe
that
the
that
the
the
studies
they've
done
indicates
the
risks
here.
So
that's
one
thing,
so
you
know
the
crsm
the
csrn
process
through
congress.
You
know
authorizations
appropriations,
there
are
schedules
for
that.
A
Those
things
go
out
the
door
when
when
a
disaster
occurs,
so
if
you
get
a
disaster,
charleston,
unfortunately,
would
say
have
a
of
a
surge
event
in
the
next
five
years.
They
could.
They
could
see,
what's
on
the
shelf
and
start
to
build
you
what's
on
the
shelf
right
away
and
the
sentiment
that
would
at
that
moment
within
the
populace
within
the
region
would
be
to.
We
want
to
prevent
that
from
happening
again
and
you
will
get
a
concrete
structure
that
you
may
regret,
20
or
30
years
down
the
road.
A
So
I
think
that's.
The
challenge
here
is,
after
an
event,
things
occur
in
response
in
reaction
to
what
just
happened
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
this
with
this
recommendation
and
what
we
think
is
necessary
to
think
more
long
term
is
how
can
you
achieve
this
surge
reduction
in
addition
to
all
the
other
things
that
you
need,
so
there
is
the
opportunity,
with
the
current
administration,
with
a
possible
infrastructure
bill
that
has
50
60
70
billion
dollars
set
aside
for
this
kind
of
adaptation.
A
With
these
changes
we
see
in
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
there
is
a
possibility
to
accelerate
that
that
schedule
that
you
see
there
I
mean
it
does
take
20
years
to
build
this
kind
of
thing
through
normal
processes,
but
you
have
those
two
moments.
If
you
have
a
bad
event,
things
accelerate
very
quickly
because
congress
will
throw
money
at
it.
A
You
see
that
in
houston
you
see
that
in
new
orleans
you
see
that
in
new
york
you
see
that
you've
seen
that
in
places
that
were
hit
by
hurricane
michael
in
the
panhandle
of
florida.
So
that's
that's
a
sub-optimal
in
such
a
sensitive
place
like
charleston.
That
is
a
sub-optimal
process
and
and
if
we
can
get
ahead
ahead
of
that,
we
can
help
you
get
ahead
of
that.
We
should
so
that's
one
again
and
with
this
there's
a
recognized
need
in
infrastructure
economics.
A
The
us
has
been
under
investing
in
a
lot
of
infrastructure
for
for
three
decades,
and
there
is
perhaps
some
money
coming
down
the
pike
to
do
this.
If
that's
the
case,
these
long-term
20-year
processes
from
the
core
may
get
expedited,
so
you
may
get
a
shorter
ped
phase
and
you
may
get
a
more
focused
construction
phase
for
construction
for
phase
one
and
phase
two.
So
those
are
opportunities.
Are
there
before
you,
but
by
golly
get
it
right
before
you
start
and
that's
what
the
water
plan.
That's
what
your
responsibilities!
F
I
think,
if
I
could
just
add
two
points,
one
one
relative
to
where
this
project
stands
against
others
around
the
country.
The
current
the
current
bca
from
the
core
is
about
2.4
2.5,
which
is
which
is
kind
of
threshold
level
low
on
the
it's
on
the
low
side
for
sure
compared
to
other
other
places
and
projects,
so
that
becomes
a
political
negotiation.
To
some
extent,
you
need
to
maintain
that
bca
for
the
project
to
be
viable,
but
the
strength
of
a
congressional
delegation.
F
They
may
be
able
to
play
a
role
or
to
the
scale,
but
the
another
point
I'd
like
to
make
is
what
happens:
what's
a
plan
b
and
what
happens
potentially
without
the
army
corps,
and
I
I
think,
there's
a
there's
a
couple
examples.
Maybe
one
is
something
that
the
image
I
showed
you,
the
living
shoreline
under
construction
in
norfolk.
Right
now
is
not
an
army
corps
project.
F
It's
something
that
the
the
city
developed
and
procured
on
its
own.
The
project
led
spearheaded
by
the
resilience
officer
there
in
the
resilience
office
and
planning
office
to
protect
that
low-lying
community.
It's
a
raised
firm
living
shoreline
doesn't
offer
the
same
level
of
protection
as
this
project
proposes,
but
it
does
do
something
so
there's
a
there's
another
federally
funded
approach.
F
Perhaps
again,
maybe
it's
an
outcome
of
a
water
plan
that
develops
a
series
of
integrated
projects,
holistic
thinking
about
a
district
level
protection
that
gets
funded
another
way
through
some
other
kind
of
federal
appropriation
or
another
more
innovative
way.
Perhaps
it
hasn't
been
tried,
yet
I
think
there's
a
so
so
so
the
plan
b,
maybe
it
falls
back
on
the
on
the
water
plan
a
little
bit
and
an
integrated
idea
of
what
protection
means.
E
E
This
is
not
necessarily
a
question
to
pose
now,
but
before
we
adjourn
I'd
like
to
request
again,
the
committee
entertain
a
similar
presentation
from
sherwood
design.
Engineers
is
the
complement
to
this
one,
laura
we'll
I'll.
Just
take
this
one
laura.
We'll
definitely
do
that.
I
think
we're
you
know
framing
out
the
agenda,
a
couple,
other
follow-up
items
or
getting
out
for
everybody's
input,
the
committees
that
we
discussed
last
meeting
and
a
few
more
follow-ups
as
well
so
definitely
definitely
take
that
into
consideration
and
herbert
maybank.
E
I
saw
that
I
saw
your
note
and
if
you,
if
you
weren't
able
to
ask
the
question
I
was
gonna.
I
asked
the
same
question
you
are
but
but
herb
was
the
project
team
leader
of
the
water
and
soil
team,
the
charleston
community
research
to
action
board
herbert.
Would
you
mind?
Would
you
mind
providing
your
question
to
the
to
the
group
I
know
looks
like
the
chat,
unfortunately
got
screwed
up.
So
if
you
do
it
verbally
that'd
be
great.
G
Yeah,
if
I
can
remember
I'm
listening
to
so
many
questions,
coming
from
all
different
areas
and
and
they're,
interesting
and
important,
what
my
concern
is:
where
does
the
design
the
plan
design
stop
on
the
northwest
side
of
the
peninsula
and
the
northeast
side
of
the
peninsula?
It
looks
from
earlier
statements
it.
A
G
A
B
This
is
mark.
I
just
want
to
clarify,
because
this
is
being
recorded.
All
of
those
areas
were
considered.
Every
area
in
the
city
was
considered
and
in
particular
the
rosemont
area
is
one
of
three
areas
that
have
been
designated
for
flood
proofing
or
other
adaptation
measures
to
provide
the
same
level
of
protection
and
in
rosemont
because
of
the
how
it
sits
out
away
from
and
it's
surrounded
by
higher
ground.
But
there
are
spots
of
rosemont
that
are
under
the
12-foot
threshold.
B
The
thought
process
right
now
is
that
the
homes
that
are
below
12
feet
there
would
be
raised
as
part
of
this
process,
just
like
a
large
percentage
of
the
homes
currently
being
rebuilt
in
rosemont
today
are
being
raised,
so
they
can
stay
there.
That
would
be
the
same
strategy
used
with
those
homes
that
exist
that
are
still
below
12
feet.
So
they're,
not
it
has
not
been
left
out.
B
It
was
just
considered
as
a
different
way
because
bringing
the
wall
all
the
way
up
and
around
the
rosemont
one
would
be
an
area
of
you'd
be
protecting
a
lot
of
area,
that's
already
higher
than
12
feet,
and
so
the
wall
therefore
wouldn't
have
a
lot
of
benefit
and
two
the
cost
of
that
would
affect
the
cost
benefit
ratio.
So,
in
those
cases
the
army
corps
looks
for
an
alternate
way
to
provide
similar
benefits
and
the
other
thing
we
didn't
want
to
do.
B
A
And
I
would
imagine
the
surge
risk
is
the
surge
risk
and
the
fetch
and
the
reach
is
different
up
there.
It's
simply
because
it's
further
away
from
where
the
surge
is
going
to
impact,
let's
say
the
battery
so
surge
will
mitigate
surge
heights
will
mitigate
as
they
move
as
they
move.
Inshore,
inland
and
also
you
have
the
expansive
west
ashley
marshes
throughout
there.
That
will
be
absorbing
some
of
that
storage
water.
G
B
B
I'm
taking
a
note,
this
is
mark
again
I'm
taking
a
note
and
now
that
the
the
covet
thing
is
lying
down
a
little
bit.
I'd
like
to
grab
some
of
the
planners
from
the
army
corps
of
engineers
that
actually
meet
you
out
there
and
walk
you
through
the
thought
process
out
there,
and
I
want
to
do
that
early
instead
of
late,
maybe
as
early
as
next
week
or
the
week
after.
E
However,
that
that's
a
great
point
and-
and
you
know
that's
what
this
is
commit
committee's
force-
provide
these
recommendations
on
on
behalf
of
the
citizens
and
and
feedback
and
so
yeah.
No,
that's,
that's,
obviously
crucial
to
make
sure
the
everywhere
in
the
city
is,
is
is
highly
protected
from
from
storm
surge.
E
The
question
is:
what
are
the
perceived
risks
from
your
perspective,
if
the
city
does
not
proceed
with
the
core's
next
steps
on
the
project
so
so
question
to
dale
and
andy?
What
are
the
perceived
risks
from
your
perspective,
if
the
city
does
not
proceed
with
the
core
getting
in
the
next
steps
on
the
project.
F
I
think
other
others
that
I
didn't
touch
on
previously.
An
incomplete
system
ends
up
not
really
providing
protection
for
a
storm
surge
type
event.
Maybe
there
are
other
other
benefits
along
the
way,
but
without
the
complete
perimeter,
if
there
are
any
gaps
or
holes,
the
the
the
area
inside
remains
at
risk.
F
I
think
dale
dale
mentioned
one
of
these:
the
rapid
post-disaster
implementation,
the
the
instinct
to
quickly
construct
something
anything
that's
on
the
table
after
an
an
event
that
may
occur
as
we
get
ready
to
enter
into
hurricane
season
here,
a
little
earlier
earlier
than
normal,
so
not
to
be
too
disaster.
You
know
alarmist
about
it,
but
that
that
event
could
happen
in
a
year
and
and
then
without
proper
planning
ahead
of
time.
F
A
Yeah-
and
I
would
just
add-
I
mean
I
think,
just
from
a
straight
economic
point
of
view
is
so
the
army
corps
is
offering
if,
if
this
so,
the
2.4
2.5
bcr
is
low,
but
the
army
corps
congress
omb
they
have
omb
and
then
eventually
the
congress
have
funded
projects
that
have
lower
bcrs
than
this
for
flood
risk
mitigation
projects.
It
just
demands
depends
on
the
strength
of
the
congressional
delegation,
as
well
as
the
salience
and
and
sort
of
awareness
of
this
issue.
A
So
I
mean
that's
going
to
be
on
your
congressional
delegation
to
weigh
in
and
the
state
of
south
carolina
to
weigh
in
with
the
administration
and
with
congress
to
make
sure
this
gets
done,
losing
that
one
billion
dollars
or
one
and
a
half
billion
dollars.
Whatever
this,
the
eventual
project
cost
is
from
the
federal
government.
That's
that's
a
cost.
A
As
andy
said,
there
are
other
federal
sources,
federal
programs
that
you
could
piece
together
some
sort
of
surge
protection,
but
whether
it
would
be
as
coherent
as
a
surge
protection
system
like
the
core
is
recommended
or
suggesting
it
wouldn't
be.
So
you
have,
you
have
to
weigh
those
those
trade-offs
there
and
one
of
the
things
that
happens
is
if
you
have
these
projects.
These
other
projects
are
non-army
corps,
surgeons
mitigation
projects.
They
are
going
to
be
peacefill
piecemeal.
Hopefully
they
will
be
integrated
and
and
connected.
A
But
what
happens
then,
as
we
just
discussed
about
you're,
going
to
have
parts
of
the
city
that
will
not
likely
disadvantaged
parts
of
the
city
that
will
not
have
the
resources,
the
planning
capacity
whatever
to
advocate
for
themselves
that
they
also
need
surge
surgeries
protection.
So
we
can
imagine
that
the
south
abroad
area-
and
we
can
imagine
the
medical
district
and
we
can
imagine
the
port
areas
they
can
advocate
for
themselves
and
even
partially
fund
some
of
their
some
of
their
efforts,
but
places
like
you
know.
The
upper
east
side
places
like
wagner
terrace.
A
There
are
other
places
in
the
in
the
city
that
may
not
be
able
to
advocate
for
themselves
and
they
may
be
left
out
and
then
you're
going
to
be.
The
result
is
an
inequitable
distribution
of
risk
for
low
for
disadvantaged
communities,
and
I
think
that's
something
that
city
policy
should
should
should
ponder
whether
or
not
that's
that's
something
that's
worthwhile
to
that's
a
risk
worth
taking.
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you
and
next
question
from
kevin.
I
think
it'll
be
kevin
if
you're.
Okay
with
this,
I
I
think
it'll
be
easier
to
answer
that
question
visually.
So
I
think
it
could
be
a
good
one
for
follow-up
and
the
specific
question
from
kevin
was
earlier.
It
was
commented
that
some
alignments
that
are
less
than
optimal,
such
as
union
beer,
should
be
withdrawn
to
avoid
further
needless
scrutiny.
Can
those
considerations
be
shared
with
the
committee
to
similarly
refine
our
thinking,
andy
and
dale?
E
F
To
be
too
specific
about
alternative
recommendations,
just
without
a
a
real
degree
of
study,
but
what
you
see
in
this
map
is
this
red
shaded
zone?
First
of
all,
I
know
this
is
a
bit
small
and
a
little
bit
hard
to
read
for
you
to
look
in
another
format,
but
to
begin
to
answer
this
question,
I
think
this
red
shaded
zone
is
sort
of
our
recommended
area.
Just
I
think
we
called
it
here.
F
F
A
Right
and
and
the
the
issue
around
morrison
yards
and
new
market
creek,
the
new
market,
creek
outfall,
underneath
the
bridge.
You
know
that
area.
There
are
a
number
of
alternatives
that
are
possible.
There's
we
didn't
have
enough
time
to
study
specific
bridge
heights
and
things
like
that
to
to
have
a
firm
recommendation,
but
what
we?
What
you
see
here
illustrated,
is
a
zone
to
look
at.
We
don't
have
firm
recommendations
up
there.
A
This
marsh
will
be
great
unless
the
sediment
balance
is
appropriate
and
the
marsh
has
a
way
to
grow
and
sometimes
a
way
to
migrate.
So
these
areas
are
very
sensitive
and
we
would
we
would
be.
We
want
to
be
very
careful
with
suggesting
anything
that
would
accelerate
the
degradation
of
those
marshes,
so
particularly
those
two
marshes,
the
ones
around
north
of
morrison
yards
and
the
columbus
terminal
enter
on
wagner
terrace.
There
are
other
marshes
along
the
peninsula,
lower
the
ones
on
long
lockwood
on
the
ashley.
A
I
just
don't
know
how
those
areas
those
marshes
survive
going
forward
because
there's
not
much
sediment
there
for
them
to
to
pick
up
and
there's
no
place
for
those
marshes
to
migrate
inland,
so
those
marshes
unless
they're
maintained
aggressively
through
human
intervention.
I
just
don't
know
that
they're
going
to
survive
because
of
the
wave
action
and
sea
level
rise
and
the
sediment
balance
in
those
areas.
A
So
when
we
talk
about
marshes,
we
want
people
to
start
thinking
about
what
is
what
is
salvageable
and
what
can
grow
and
what
is
likely
lost.
No
matter
what
you
do
and
once
you
start
to
assess
those
kind
of
things,
and
we
did
not
have
the
opportunity
to
do
deep
assessment
of
this,
but
I
think
that's
a
very
important
consideration.
A
So
when
you
look
at
those
two
zones
again
and
just
what
andy
recommended
the
wagner,
terrace
marshes
marshes
as
well
as
the
the
new
marker
creek
marsh,
so
to
speak.
They
have
to
be
reviewed
very
carefully
and
there
is
an
opportunity
to
do
nature-based
approaches
in
there
ways
to
allow
these
marshes
to
migrate
and
improve
and
and
not
be
lost.
And
you
have
a
wonderful.
You
may
or
may
not
know
this.
But
there
is
a
very
important
nif
with
marsh
project
on
on
the
on
the
west.
A
The
west
ashley
marshes
so
directly
across
from
wagner.
Terrace
and
local
researchers
are
working
on
that
and
I
think
there's
a
as
I
understand
this
project.
There
is
a
thin
fill
using
a
thin,
thin
fil
additions
of
of
dredge
sediment
to
help
these
marshes
stabilize
and
grow.
That
could
be
instrumental
for
devising
strategies
for
the
for
the
wagner,
terrace
marshes
and
the
and
the
new
market
street
warships.
A
E
E
We
can
provide
that
in
our
recommendation
to
both
staff
and
council
and
then
I
wanted
to
get
to
council
member
waring's
questions,
and
then
I
saw
that
bob
a
question
come
in
later,
but
anyway
regarding
councilmember
wearing's
questions
has
or
is
anyone
studying
the
cause
and
effect
of
deepening
of
charleston
harbor
has
on
flooding
on
the
peninsula.
So
was
the
cause
or
effect.
A
A
You
know
whatever
in
the
chesapeake
bay
and
in
the
marshes
in
texas,
the
coastal
zones
in
texas
and
louisiana
and
mississippi
for
navigation,
those
have
allowed
search
to
propagate
and
to
extend
further
inland,
and
they
have
caused
salt
intrusion
that
destroyed
the
marshes
which
degraded
the
marsh
benefits
for
third
energy
reduction.
But
I
don't
see
that
occurring
within
charleston
and
for
the
other
issue.
So
this-
and
it's
very
it's
very
important
to
say
this-
this
army
corps
project
is
protect-
is
to
protect
the
peninsula
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
A
The
bcr
to
to
protect
james
island
john's
island,
west
ashley,
mount
pleasant
against
surge
event
is
not
there,
so
other
kinds
of
interventions
will
be
needed
there,
not
a
perimeter
protection
system.
Surge
risk
is
very
substantial
there.
I
think
you've.
If
you
look
at
the
land
and
water
analysis,
mapping
that
wagner
volume,
we
did
for
the
city
planning
on
the
comp
plan.
That
shows
you
what
those
risks
are
and
they're
not
inconsequential,
but
you
can't
solve
them
with
this
project.
F
B
E
Well,
thank
everybody
for
your
time
and,
and
I
mean
obviously,
this
is
a
very
important
topic.
You
know
we're
35
minutes
over
our
allotted
time,
which
brings
up
a
couple
of
points,
but
I
think
really
appreciate
dale
and
andy.
All's
time
and
sticking
with
us.
Bob
habig
had
a
question.
I
think
we
can
for
purposes
of
time,
but
also
more
so
for
the
purposes
of
answering
the
question.
I
think
it's
something
y'all
may
not
be
prepared
to
talk
about
immediately,
but
I
think
you
know
if
you
have
feedback.
E
E
Can
the
committee
be
made
aware
of
the
returns
of
other
cities,
core
proposals
to
give
us
a
sense
of
congressional
funding,
viability,
absent
incremental,
fed
funding
sources
and
or
heroic
acts
from
our
congressional
delegation?
So
if
you
know
everybody
mark
is,
is
heavily
involved
in
this
as
well,
something
we
can.
We
can
answer
answer
offline
and
bob
said
obviously
a
great,
very,
very
relevant
question,
as
we
press
forward
yeah.
E
I
frankly
think
that
there's
a
lot
more
to
be
to
be
dug
into
from
this
this
session,
in
particular,
so
annie
dale,
will
probably
be
reaching
back
out
to
you,
judging
from
judging
something
from
what
what's
going
on
today.
So
we
really
really
appreciate
y'all's
time
and
of
course,
all
the
committee
members
time
and
everybody
else
listening
in
and
of
course,
city
staff,
time
as
well.