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From YouTube: City of Charleston City Council Meeting 07/29/2021
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City of Charleston City Council Meeting 07/29/2021
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So
steve,
romelin
and
and
heather
malloy
worked
diligently
on
these.
We
presented
them
to
you
at
our
last
meeting
and
we
got
first
reading
on
them
and
steve
or
heather.
Do
you
all
have
anything
to
add
since
our
last
meeting?
Could
I
just
ask
for
that
and
thank
you
heather.
I
hope
you're
feeling
better.
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I
Thank
you
mayor
and
thank
you,
heather
and
and
steve.
I
know
how
much
I
mean
I
don't
know
in
terms
of
actual
minutes
and
hours,
but
I
I
know
from
speaking
with
a
and
and
some
of
the
other
officers
that
you
know
this.
This
had
a
lot
of
consultation
and
you
all,
you
know,
really
did
an
ordinary
job.
The.
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I
I
do
think
mayor
that
we've
heard
from
citizens
who
you
know,
I
think,
have
demonstrated
that
they
have
a
dedication
to
following
along
with
especially
the
opportunity
for
first
amendment
statements
to
be
heard
in
public
over
the
last
few
years,
and
I
was
hoping
that
maybe
you
could
just
give
us
a
little
run
down
about
some
of
the
citizen
comments
that
you
that
you
specifically
addressed
face
to
face
the
other
day.
I
know
that
one
of
the
concerns
was
that
we
were.
I
We
were
publishing
versions
of
these
ordinances
that
didn't
explain
the
changes
that
we
actually
made
as
we
annotated
them.
So
I
tried
to
send
that
out,
but
it
was
at
the
last
minute
this
afternoon
because
we
clearly
got
copies
of
the
amendments
that
we
gave
first
reading
approval
to
on
the
20th
that
were
annotated
with
the
typical
way
that
ordinance
amendments
are
done.
I
So
the
original
text
is
in
not
bold,
correct
and,
if
there's
anything
removed,
it's
it's
bolded
and
crossed
out
and
then,
if
there's
anything
new,
it's
bold
text
and
that's
the
way
the
documents
came
to
us.
So
I
think
that's
one
thing
that
may
we
should
clarify
we're
not
trying
to
do
a
bait
and
switch
and
change
laws
out
from
old
to
new
we're
amending
existing
laws.
I
The
one
new
one
was
to
make
a
definition
of
first
amendment
rights
and
opportunities,
as
well
as
separate
at
what
we've
always
just
called
the
parade
permit.
From
my
understanding
that
has
devolved
into
sort
of
a
you
know,
a
mushy
definition,
so
that
now
we
have
a
parade
ordinance
for
permit
ordinance
that
will
be
handled
by
the
special
events
and
department
of
recreations,
which
is
the
much
more
appropriate
place
for
those
staffing
to
be
done.
I
But
mary,
you,
you
said
to
me
a
little
while
ago
that
we've
always
had
inherent
in
these
ordinances
the
opportunity
for
regulating
and
enforcing
the
fact
that
officers
have
the
right
for
their
orders
to
be
obeyed.
So
could
you
just
speak
to
that
for
a
minute
and
I
think
the
other
one
was,
I
think,
that's
those
are
the
two
things
that
I
heard
the
most
from
citizens
who
thought
that
we
were
making
these
laws
less
constitutional,
as
opposed
to
more,
which
I
I
do.
B
B
We
had
an
ordinance
called
parade
permits
that
were
issued
through
our
police
department
that
you
know
for
the
most
part
weren't
anything
about
having
parades.
I
mean
the
when
we
have
our
martin
luther
king
parade
and
our
emancipation
day
parade
and
our
st
patrick's
day
parade.
None
of
them
needed
to
get
a
parade
permit.
They
needed
a
special
events
permit.
B
So
so
some
of
it
was
just
going
back
over
ordinances
that
might
have
been
formed,
20
and
30
years
and
naming
them
appropriately,
and
so,
recognizing
importantly,
so
it
it,
it
may
have
content
from
the
former
parade
permit,
but
recognizing
formally
the
rights
of
our
citizens
to
express
themselves
and
that's
why
we
named
this
new
ordinance.
The
first
amendment
demonstration
ordinance
and
it
makes
those
things
clear.
B
I
believe,
and-
and
some
some
aspects
may
have
shifted
from
one
thing
to
another
like
to
really
apply
for
your
st
patrick's
day
parade
you
you,
you
should
go
to
the
special
events,
application
and
ordinance
to
control
that,
and
then
there
were
a
couple
of
things
that
were,
you
know,
reach
over
everything
and
that
that
is
addressing
the
new
open,
carry
gun,
state
legislation
so
and
and
heather
spent
a
heck
of
a
lot
of
time
more
on
this
in
the
weeds
than
I
did
so.
Heather
help
me
out
here.
I
B
With
weapons
ordinance
and-
and
it
applies,
I
think,
no
matter
what
happens
in
the
city-
you
don't
whether
you
have
a
permanent
or
not
you're,
supposed
not
supposed
to
use
a
flagpole
as
a
weapon,
so
that
got
covered
in
the
new
weapons
ordinance.
It
may
not
be
in
the
demonstration
ordinance,
but
it
it's
in
the
weapons
ordinance
and
that's
covered.
As
to
your
question
about
having
a
a
law
obeying
a
lawful
order,
I
I
think,
that's
you
know,
that's
a
legal
matter.
That's
a
law!
H
Sure
thank
you
mayor.
So
the
legal
team
in
developing
these
new
ordinances
or
amendments
to
ordinances
really
went
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
looked
at
our
basic
constitutional
principles
of
protecting
citizens.
First,
amendment
rights
to
free
speech
and
free
demonstration
activity,
and
so
we
wanted
to
define
that
so
that
it
was
clear
before
people
and
they
knew
what
issues
applied
or
which
parts
of
the
ordinances
applied
to
demonstrations,
and
we
titled
them
differently
to,
as
the
mayor
said,
to
decrease
the
confusion
using
terms
like
parades
etc.
H
So
that
is
something
that
can
be
done
now.
So,
for
instance,
when
a
police
officer
gives
an
order
or
maybe
limits
some
of
the
activity,
some
of
those
things
could
be
falling
under
time
place
and
manner
restrictions.
So
it's
really
important
that
those
orders
are
followed,
and
so
these
apply
to
whether
you
know,
regardless
of
you
having
a
permit
or
not.
H
You
also
want
to
have
egress
and
ingress
and
egress
to
certain
areas,
and
you
also
don't
want
to
have
obstruction
of
roadways
or
sidewalks,
etc.
So
all
that
was
taken
into
consideration
consideration
when
we
put
this
together
and
additionally,
I
wanted
to
mention
that
part
of
this
entire
plan
for
the
legal
team
was
to,
in
addition
to
the
ordinances
and
making
changes
for
clarity.
H
H
We
will
also
be
putting
links
to
the
new
ordinances
on
the
website,
and
I
know
that
the
charleston
police
department
is
working
right
now
to
put
something
on
their
website
very
soon,
so
that
individuals
know
what
the
rules
are
and
where
they
can
go
and
additionally,
they
will
be
putting
their
permit
application
online
too,
because
there's
been
there
will
be
some
changes
made
to
that.
So
there's
a
lot
more
in
the
works
to
improve
this
process.
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E
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
I
just
want
to
remind
my
colleagues
on
the
process
that
we've
gone
through
with
us.
We
had
a
joint
meeting
with
public
safety
in
recreation
on
the
19th
to
go
over
these
proposed
ordinances.
We
had
a
very
good
discussion
and
presentation,
the
legal
staff
and
from
the
police
department.
E
E
That
has
not
changed
in
any
point
at
all
those
there's
certain
rules
and
laws
have
been
passed
about
that
and
court
decisions
have
been
issued
concerning
the
size
of
of
those
assembling.
But
what
is
important
to
make
a
distinction
upon
is
assembling
and
then
marching
or
parading
and
as
heather
has
pointed
out
with
that,
we
have
the
ability
to
manage
the
controls
of
the
the
wears
and
winds
and
house
of
those
taking
place.
E
So
the
spontaneous
or
the
size
of
the
crowd
to
assemble
does
not
necessarily
give
the
right
to
march,
because
the
police
have
and
the
citizens
have
a
responsibility
making
sure
of
public
safety,
not
just
for
those
who
wish
to
march
or
parade,
but
also
to
other
citizens
who
are
not
participating
in
that
marching
parade.
So
these
are
very
important
distinctions
that
I
think
we
all
need
to
take
into
consideration,
and
I
certainly
would
urge
us
to
pass
give
second
and
third
reading
approval
on
these
various
ordinances.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
M
B
K
B
M
Hey
sorry,
I'm
traveling
today
and
I'm
having
to
do
this
virtually
yeah
anyway.
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
the
point
that
I
made
earlier
and
our
ways
and
means
committee
that
I
feel
like
there's
something
that
that
I
don't
understand
about
why
we're
having
a
city
council
meeting
a
meeting
of
our
entire
body
and
we
don't
have
a
citizen
participation
period.
M
M
I
voted
yes
on
these
ordinances
the
first
time
around
and,
to
be
honest
with
you,
I
would
probably
vote
yes
again
on
this
one.
However,
I
think
that
we
have
an
obligation
as
a
body
to
honor
the
rules
of
our
council,
and
when
we
have
a
city
council
meeting,
there
should
be
a
citizen
participation
period
that
shouldn't
change
this.
These
ordinances
were
not
planned
to
be
brought
up
today.
They
happen
to
be
brought
up
today
because
of
the
other
issue
that
we
took
up
earlier
today,
which
was
the
bond
referendum.
M
M
If
our
citizens
feel
like
we're
meeting
behind
closed
doors
and
getting
something
passed
without
them,
having
the
opportunity
to
speak
and
so
on
these
four
ordinances.
Today,
I'm
going
to
abstain
because
I
don't
feel
like
we
should
take
any
vote
where
we
don't
at
least
have
a
public
engagement
if
we're
meeting
as
a
body
as
a
city.
I
I
I
wanted
to
speak.
I
just
as
we
were
trying
to
make
sure
that
you
know
the
public
was
understanding
the
clarity
of
the
documents
in
front
of
us,
and
maybe
we've
had
an
example
of
that
in
recent
days,
because
a
group
has
applied
for
a
gathering
permit
a
first
amendment.
Protection
gathering
permit
to
be
in
one
location
doesn't
automatically
give
that
same
group
the
opportunity
to
to
walk
and
march
in
places
that
they
have
not
already
been
approved
to
to
have
a
marching
route.
B
H
First,
amendment
demonstration
that
person
who
applies
for
the
permit
specifically
gives
the
information
as
to
what
they
would
like
to
do.
Where
do
they
want
to
be
what
location
they
have
to
write
down?
Do
they
want
to
march,
or
do
they
not
want
to
march
what
are
the
street
locations
etc?
So
they,
the
person
applying,
has
to
be
specific
and
naturally
so
because
there
needs
to
be
an
evaluation.
If
there
are
sufficient
resources
to
support
that
to
provide
safety
for
the
protesters,
citizens
do
roadways,
need
to
be
blocked,
etc.
H
So
there's
a
whole
process,
that's
involved
when
someone
applies
for
such
a
permit
and
then
there's
an
evaluation
period
to
determine
whether
or
not
that
can
be
done.
Things
may
pop
up
such
as
someone
else,
maybe
at
that
location.
At
the
same
time,
maybe
too
many
resources
would
take,
or
maybe
there
is
a
better
route.
That's
where
those
time
place
and
manner
considerations
come
in
that
are
they're
constitutionally
supported.
H
So
that's
where
there's
an
evaluation
process,
if
there's
an
alternative
route
that
can
be
given
if,
if
the
route
that
is
requested,
specifically
or
location,
as
you
said,
is
not
available,
then
an
alternative
can
be
offered
and
sent
back
to
the
permit
tea,
whereby
the
permittee
will
agree
to
the
new
alternate
route.
So
once
the
permit
is
completed,
it's
very
clear
as
to
what
the
parameters
are
of
the
permit,
and
it's
also
very
clear
that
if,
if
those
parameters
aren't
followed,
then
there
could
potentially
be
a
violation.
G
It
won't
be
long
on
this
one
listen.
I
voted
for
the
first
reading,
but
I
had
to
believe
that
the
public
should
have
more
input
and
this
process
doesn't
allow
for
it.
You
know,
I'm
not
gonna
go
for
it.
For
that
reason,
I
can
see
the
work
that's
been
done,
but
you
know
transparency,
matters
and
the
public
should
have
more
input,
even
though
we
may
not
like
what
they
say
we
have.
We
have
the
right.
They
have
the
right
to
be
heard
and
in
this
environment
right
now
they
don't.
J
E
L
E
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
point
that
susan
had
made
and
that
the
other
part
of
all
of
this
ordinances
that
we
have
discussed
was
to
include
the
exemptions
that
was
granted
by
the
open
carry
law.
So
some
of
these
ordinances
are
addressing
that
open,
carry
law,
these
restrictions
that
we
can't
have
dealing
with
periods
of
assemblage.
So
if
we
don't
pass
this
today,
the
open
carry
law
goes
into
effect
on
august
the
15th,
and
then
these
ordinances
will
not
take
effect
until
later.
So
this
is
the
the
deadline
we're
having
for
this.
B
So
I
would
just
also
add-
and-
and
I
welcome
our
citizens
comments
and
and
not
afraid
of
any
comment
they
might
make
about
us
or
me,
and
but
we
do
have
the
ability
to
amend
anything.
So
we
pass
this
this
afternoon
and
and
and
some
citizens
comment
leads
to
another
perspective
or
review
that
that
council
at
the
pleasure
council
you
know
would
like
to
amend
and
change.
We
always
have
that
right.
F
Thank
you
mayor,
I'm
going
to
have
to
agree
with
with
councilman
griffin
and
councilman
waring,
so
I
guess
I'm
still
not
clear.
Is
there
a
reason
we
can't
just
vote
on
on
second
reading
tonight
and
then
bring
it
back
to
the
next
council
meeting?
Is
I
I
hear
I'm
hearing
a
two-day
discrepancy
between
the
open
carry
and
then
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
that
is
that
a
significant
challenge?
I
guess
I
still
don't
understand.
F
I
You
thank
you
and
now
that
we
do
have
here
for
a
few
final
hours.
I
was
hoping.
Maybe
she
could
address
councilmember
griffin's
question.
Is
it?
Is
it
legal
for
us?
Are
we
within
our
rights
of
needing
or
or
way
of
operating
under
our
indoor,
our
rules
to
not
have
citizens
comments
when
we
have
an
official
council
meeting
that
involves
hearings?
I
A
Yeah-
and
I
I
don't
know
if
this
would
be
helpful
just
to
add,
but
typically
when
we
have
our
special
and
emergency
meetings
and
just
for
clarification,
this
is
not
an
emergency
city
council
meeting.
This
is
a
special
meeting,
but
typically
when
we
have
those
meetings,
we
don't
have
a
citizen
participation
portion
on
the
agenda,
the
special
meetings
and
then
can
correct
me,
but
the
special
meetings
are
really
just
for
you
know
certain
specific
items
and
we
did
have
a
public
participation
at
our
previous
meeting
last
week
when
these
were
up
for
first
reading.
A
These
have
not
been
amended
the
ordinances
they
have
not
been
amended
since
then,
but
anyway.
So
that's
that's
why
it
was
not
on
there.
I
don't
know
if
that
that
addresses
any
of
the
questions,
but
tip
that's
been
our
practice
in
the
past
that
we've,
you
know,
we've
had
admissions
participation
on
every
emergency
agenda
or
every
special
city
council
agenda.
D
L
Well
I'll
defer
to
steve
or
to
heather
on
this,
but
I
think
councilmember
gregory.
What
concern
is
if
this?
If
this
ordinance
is
not
passed,
and
if
there
was
a
gathering,
the
city
would
not
have
any
authority,
as
I
understand
it,
to
prevent
open
carry
at
one
of
those
demonstrations
and
so
that
that's
that's
the
reason
why
we
were
trying
to
go
ahead
and
and
codify
the
law.
That
would
basically
say
at
the
time
that
the
open
carry
law
went
into
effect.
L
K
Yeah
I'll
just
state
that
the
open
carry
law
states
that
municipalities
may
restrict
the
otherwise
lawful
open
carrying
of
a
firearm
in
public
property.
When
we
issue
a
permit,
so
under
our
current
permitting
scheme,
we
could
make
that
a
condition
of
the
permit
without
the
ordinance
in
place.
I
think
what
the
ordinance
does,
though,
is
it
clarifies
that
and
expands
it
to
special
events
and
parks?
Permit
situations
as
well,
so
I
think
under
under
our
current
ordinances,
we
still
could
prohibit
someone
from
open
carrying
at
a
at
an
event
that
we
permit.
K
N
N
We
need
to
do
that,
and
we
have
been
doing
that,
and
this
is
something
that
will
further,
that
that'll
help
actually
those
people
that
are
participating
in
and
those
that
want
to
do
it
lawfully
some
have
chosen
not
to,
but
those
that
want
to
do
it
lawfully
that
want
to
apply
for
a
permit
that
want
to
do
it
safely.
This
gives
them
a
little
bit
more
information.
I
think
it
makes
it
more
palatable
for
them
and
for
the
city,
but
has
been
articulated.
Can
we
move
forward
without
this?
N
Yes,
the
law
is
there
for
us.
It
supports
us
in
doing
those
things
that
we've
been
doing
that
we've
been
talking
about.
I
think
this
ordinance
makes
adds
a
little
bit
more
clarity
and
has
been
articulated.
It
connects
into
this
august
15
date
on
the
idea
of
open
carry
when
we
made
the
arrests
a
few
days
ago,
one
of
the
persons
who
was
involved
in
assaulting
a
police
officer
and
spitting
on
a
police
officer
and
not
to
get
too
detailed
into
that
event.
N
N
When
you
look
at
what
happened
on
may
30th
of
last
year,
when
you
look
at
some
of
the
language
being
used,
the
profanity,
the
lack
of
cooperation
with
the
police,
there
are
there's
a
need
for
us
to
have
clarity
in
these
conversations
and
these
events
to
make
sure
that
everybody
all
the
participants,
the
protesters,
the
police,
public
safety,
our
citizens,
our
businesses
are
protected
and
that
it's
safe.
We're
going
to
continue
to
do
that.
N
I've
made
it
clear
that
we're
going
to
make
more
arrests
for
those
people
who
choose
to
break
the
law
who
choose
to
assault
the
police
who
choose
to
be
unsafe
about
their
activities
and
so
I'll
just
leave
it
there.
Whether
this
passes
or
not,
we're
going
to
do
everything
possible
to
keep
our
city
safe
and
to
protect
people's
rights
and
protect
the
constitution,
and-
and
it's
not
an
easy
thing
to
do
so.
O
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
I
would
just
say
that
you
know
by
my
read
you
know
these
ordinances
are
not
really
major
substantive
departures
from
existing
practices.
It's
more
about
streamlining
and
making
the
process
clearer
and
more
efficient
and
ultimately
making
the
jobs
of
our
brave
men
and
women
women
officers
easier.
O
We
had
a
incident
this
week.
We've
had
multiple
incidents
over
the
last
year
and
a
half,
and
I
don't
think
I
need
to
remind
anybody
on
this
council
about
that.
If
we
had
a
public
hearing
on
this,
where
people
could
call
in
on
zoom
we'd,
probably
hear
from
seven
people,
we
all
know
who
they
are,
but
let's
think
about
the
thousands
and
thousands
of
other
people
we
represent
that
we're
called
upon
to
make
decisions
on
behalf
of
every
single
day
right.
They
don't
want
chaos
in
the
streets.
O
They
don't
want
another
may
30th,
they
don't
show
up
to
zoom
calls
they
don't
show
up
to
city
council,
but
it's
our
job
to
represent
them
today.
I
I
think
this
is
going
to
come
off
bad.
I
don't
care
what
these
activists
have
to
say
about
this
ordinance.
We
have
a
duty
and
an
obligation
for
this
city
to
keep
this
city
safe.
Some
of
the
activity
and
conduct
that
we've
seen
in
the
streets
lately
is
completely
out
of
line
and
unacceptable.
O
These
people
know
better
they're
doing
it
for
publicity
stunts
they're
doing
it
for
their
instagram
followers,
and
enough
is
enough:
you're
not
going
to
spit
on
our
cops
you're,
not
going
to
carry
around
guns
at
these
events
and
that's
unacceptable.
This
is
what
we
have
to
do
as
a
city
to
keep
our
citizens,
our
businesses
and
our
officers,
safe
and
and
and
the
two
dozen
people
that
like
to
protest
every
week,
they're
just
going
to
have
to
deal
with
it.
Thank
you.
So
I
look
forward
to
voting
for
this
tonight.
B
K
B
B
Griffin,
I
believe
all
right
well,
thank
you
all
for
that
good
discussion
and-
and
we
will
have
a
robust
citizen's
participation,
our
next
meeting
and
I'll
repeat
that
if
there's
any
part
of
any
of
these
ordinances
that
it
makes
sense
to
amend
and
change
based
on
future
comments
and
conversation,
we
can
always
do
that.
So,
thank
you
all
for
coming
together
and
this
meeting
stands
adjourned.
If
there's
no
further.