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City of Charleston City Council Meeting 6/20/23
A
A
C
D
Lord,
we
bow
our
heads
before
you
this
evening
and
ask
for
your
love
and
guidance.
We
thank
you
for
another
beautiful
day
and
are
reminded
by
the
beauty
that
we
see
every
day
in
Charleston
to
cherish
our
loved
ones
daily.
We
also
ask
that
you
please
continue
to
watch
over
Chief,
Reynolds
Family
and
our
police
team
during
this
difficult
time.
In
your
name,
we
pray,
amen.
A
A
Please
join
me
up
here:
Chase
Glenn
who's,
the
executive
director
of
The
Alliance,
full
acceptance,
charminique
Bailey,
manigo
Alliance
for
full
acceptance,
Dominico
rugerio
who's,
the
executive
director
of
We
Are
Family,
Regina
Duggins,
president
of
Charleston,
black
pride,
Lorraine
cook,
Holcomb,
chair
of
Charleston,
pride
festival,
Naomi
Simmons,
with
the
College
of
Charleston,
gender
and
sexuality,
equity
center
and
Ron
Rico
judun,
with
the
Royal
pride
of
Nations,
South
Carolina,
and
any
others
who
are
representing
y'all.
Who
would
like
to
join
you?
Please?
A
Come
forward
I'm,
going
to
read
a
proclamation
and
then
asked
Mr,
Glenn
kind
of
representing
all
the
groups
to
make
remarks
so,
whereas
the
City
of
Charleston
Embraces
and
celebrates
diversity
and
inclusivity
and
the
fundamental
rights
and
dignity
of
all
our
residents
and
whereas
the
month
of
June
has
been
widely
recognized
as
pride
month.
Honoring
the
lgbtq
plus
community
and
commemorating
the
historic
Stonewall
riots
of
June
1969,
which
marked
the
turning
point
in
the
fight
for
equality
and
justice
for
all.
A
Whereas
pride
month
serves
as
an
opportunity
to
promote
awareness,
education
and
acceptance
of
lgbtq
plus
rights,
individuals
and
their
contributions
to
our
society,
as
well
as
to
address
the
challenges
they
still
face
in
achieving
full
equality.
And
whereas
the
City
of
Charleston
acknowledges
the
vital
role
played
by
lgbtq
plus
individuals
in
shaping
our
Vibrant
Community,
fostering
creativity,
Innovation
and
cultural
diversity.
A
E
F
Well,
just
briefly,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
support,
Mr
mayor
council
and
for
the
citizens
for
supporting
the
lgbtq
community
in
such
a
real
way.
Earlier
this
month,
with
our
pride
festival
going
down,
you
know
King
Street
every
year,
it's
such
a
powerful
experience
for
so
many
folks
to
be
able
to
see
not
only
representation
of
the
community
but
to
see
the
support
of
those
who
come
out
and
to
celebrate
with
us.
A
So
next
I
think
we're
going
to
get
a
signal
to
call
some
some
athletes
and
Young
Folks,
who
were
waiting
downstairs.
Why
don't
y'all
come
right
on
up
to
the
podium
with
the
mayor
up
here,
come
right
on
up
if
you're,
with
the
gymnastics
team,
just
gymnastics
team
and
members
y'all,
please
come
forward.
A
Athletes
and
coaches
come
right
on
up
there.
They
are
all
right
now.
I
can
tell
I
have
to
leave
when
I
see
him
give
me
five
come
and
buy
me
there.
We
go.
Thank
you
all
for
being
with
us
all
right,
so
y'all
I'd
like
to
invite
all
the
city
of
Charleston's,
gymnastic
team
members
and
coaches
they're
right
up
here
for
a
special
recognition.
A
These
remarkable
young
gymnasts
dedicate
three
to
four
nights
a
week
to
strengthen
and
condition
their
gymnastic
skills
all
while
maintaining
excellent
academic
performances.
Smart
determined,
driven
and
today
we're
pleased
to
recognize
their
efforts,
as
each
of
these
athletes
has
achieved
a
great
honor
of
either
becoming
a
state
champion
or
achieving
a
placement
high
enough
within
the
state
to
qualify
for
an
exclusive
Regional
competition
where
they
not
only
represent
our
city
of
Charleston,
but
the
entire
state
of
South
Carolina
wow.
A
Congratulations,
the
2022-23,
South
Carolina,
USA,
Gymnastics
state
champion
gymnasts
are,
and
please
maybe
raise
your
hand
as
I
call
your
name
Natalia
shaft.
If
she's
with
us,
Lily
shomo
there,
she
is
raise
it
high
yeah.
We
can
see
it
Lucy,
krasney
and
Jade
Grooms.
Maybe
everybody
didn't
make
it
the
gymnasts
that
qualified
to
represent
us
in
Regional
competition
against
gymnasts,
from
Florida
Georgia,
Alabama,
North,
Carolina,
South,
Carolina,
Tennessee,
Louisiana,
Mississippi
or
Emory
Davis
Legree
mckeachin,
Baylor
Hamby.
A
Are
you
Legree,
oh
you're,
Baylor
Hamby?
Thank
you!
Jala
Brown
dollars
here,
Logan
Anderson,
Natalie
Butler
there
she
is
Natalie
Buckley
Milner,
there's
there.
She
is
thank
you!
Annie
Bobbitt
and
Delaney
Cunningham,
all
right
and,
of
course,
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
recognize
the
outstanding
coaches,
the
coaches,
who
make
it
all
possible
they're,
not
all
here
but
I'm,
going
to
call
their
names:
Chelsea,
fakiti,
Shannon,
Tustin,
Emily,
O'toole,
Alexi,
Lacroix
and
Abby
Shipman.
A
D
Was
just
going
to
say
first,
ladies,
thank
you
for
being
here.
If
you
can't
tell
I'm
so
happy
to
see
all
your
young
beautiful,
wonderful
faces
here,
because
we
need
more
ladies
in
here,
but
congratulations
and
yes,
our
gymnastics
center
is
on
James
Island
and
it
could
always
use
extra
love.
Gentlemen,
it's
our
only
gymnastics
location
in
the
City
of
Charleston.
It's
phenomenal
coach
Chelsea.
We
need
a
lot
of
love,
so
just
remember
these
beautiful
young
women.
Thank
you.
E
A
E
A
So,
lastly,
in
terms
of
our
recognitions,
we
have
a
presentation
recognizing
home
ownership
month
and
I'd
like
to
ask
Caroline,
lesane
and
Deborah
deanglis
are
partners
with
fine
Mark
to
join
me
for
our
annual
Proclamation
recognizing
home
ownership
month.
If
y'all
would
please
come
forward
and
maybe
Miss
Gianna
Shaw
Johnson,
you
want
to
join
us
up
here
as
well.
A
So
we
have
a
proclamation
to
which
reads,
whereas
National
home
ownership
month
is
a
time
to
recognize
the
many
benefits
of
home
ownership
to
our
families.
Our
communities
and
our
nation
for
generations
of
Americans
owning
a
home
has
been
an
essential
element
in
achieving
The
American
Dream
Home
Ownership
is
often
the
foundation
of
security
and
prosperity
for
families
and
communities
and
an
enduring
symbol
of
American
freedom
and
Mr
bonds
is
going
to
join
us
as
well.
A
And
whereas,
today,
we
recognize
the
abiding
value
of
owning
a
home
and
rededicate
ourselves
towards
ensuring
that
everyone
has
a
fair
opportunity
at
becoming
a
homeowner
in
in
a
community
of
their
choice.
And
whereas
the
U.S
Department
of
Housing
and
Urban
Development,
in
partnership
with
the
City
of
Charleston,
have
made
great
strides
through
our
ongoing
commitment
to
the
mission
to
create
strong,
sustainable,
inclusive
communities
and
quality,
affordable
homes
for
all.
A
And
whereas
each
year,
National,
home
ownership
month
is
celebrated
in
in
the
United
States
to
encourage
the
benefits
of
owning
and
maintaining
and
maintaining
a
home,
and
whereas
this
year's
theme
is,
let's
make
home
the
goal,
let's
make
home
the
goal
a
time
to
reflect
upon
the
impact
that
owning
a
home
has
on
household
wealth,
neighborhood
stability
and
the
nation's
broader
economic
health.
I,
often
relay
that
the
two
ways
in
this
country
to
build
wealth,
particularly
amongst
those
who
never
enjoyed
holding
much
well,
is
by
owning
a
home
or
by
having
a
business.
A
But
we
try
to
promote
those
two
things
as
best
we
can
in
the
City
of
Charleston,
owning
a
home
and
helping
people
when
they
want
to
start
a
business.
So
now,
therefore,
I
John,
J
tecklenburg,
mayor
of
the
City
of
Charleston,
along
with
city
council,
do
hereby
Proclaim
June
2023
is
National
homeownership
month
in
the
City
of
Charleston
you're.
Here.
G
H
So
many
thanks
to
Mayor
and
Council
for
your
ongoing
support.
We're
not
done
yet
so
just
know
that
I'll
be
continuing
to
ask,
but
I
want
to
thank
fine
marker.
Thank
fine
Mark
in
particular.
This
is
their
first
year
and
not
only
do
they
work
towards
preservation
of
housing,
but
they
also
work
towards
creation.
They
provided
loans
for
homeowners,
who
are
what
we
call
Legacy
homeowners
in
the
City
of
Charleston
to
improve
their
homes,
as
well
as
provided
funding
for
the
creation
of
New
Opportunities.
H
H
A
So
up
next
we
have
our
public
hearings
and
I'm
going
to
ask
Mr
Morgan
to
come
forward.
We
have
13
of
those
this
evening
we
may
be
able
to
take
a
few
of
them
together.
I
would
respectfully
ask
that
we
take
one
a
two
and
three
I
believe
are
related
if
we
could
take
those
separately
and
then
I
would
entertain
a
motion
to
take
4
through
13
together,
because
those
are
all
kind
of
related,
just
single
properties
coming
into
the
city.
A
A
I
I
It
is
in
the
job
center
area
as
a
lot
of
the
DuPont
overlay
is,
and
this
just
describes
the
job
center
and
then
here
we
have
some
aerial
photos.
It's
a
mostly
undeveloped
property.
There
are
a
couple
of
older
Searchers
on
it
and
here's
a
closer
view.
There's
a
new
hotel
across
the
street,
another
hotel
coming
in
to
the
to
the
left
of
that
hotel,
that's
across
the
street,
and
you
see
a
street
view
pretty
with
some
trees
on
it
and
some
housing
across
the
street
and
the
bank.
I
A
All
right,
so
would
anybody
of
the
public
like
to
comment
on
813
Dupont
Road?
That's
before
us
right
now.
They
wouldn't
like
to
be
hurt
on
this
matter.
Seeing
none,
it
comes
to
council.
We
have
a
motion
to
approve
any
discussion.
All
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
oppose
the
eyes.
Have
it.
I
would
like
to
inform
Council
and
the
public
that
I
will
recuse
myself
from
items
number
two
and
three,
my
son,
a
realtor,
is
involved
in
one
side
of
the
transaction.
Thank
you.
B
A
I
Okay,
so
number
two
is
seven
Magazine
Street.
This
is
existing
single
family
house.
That
would
go
to
our
school
overlay
designation,
and
this
is
also
part
of
a
larger
request
that
relates
to
across
the
street,
where
on
number
three,
you
will
be
looking
at
changing
restrictive
covenants
for
that
property.
But
this
one
is
a
separate
action
by
virtue
of
its
just
an
addition
to
the
school
overlay
Zone.
I
Here
you
see
where
the
property
is
on
Magazine
Street,
it's
adjacent
to
the
school
that
it
would
become
a
part
of,
and
the
applicants
will
be
able
to
explain
a
little
bit
more
about
how
the
property
will
be
utilized
here.
It
is
in
our
conference
a
plan
it's
in
our
neighborhood
designation,
which
does
allow
for
school
uses
and
recommends
for
those
types
of
uses.
I
Just
a
description
of
that
I
hear
you
see
an
aerial
image
of
the
property,
and
here
you
see
it
again
with
an
arrow
next
to
it
and
there
it
is
from
the
street
view
typical,
Charleston
single
house,
and
this
is
across
the
street.
Some
nearby
parking
and
other
houses
that
are
nearby
and
Planning
Commission
did
recommend
approval
of
this
change.
To
add
School
overlay
on
this
property
7-0.
I
N
N
Then
it
could
be
problematic
to
those
from
the
outside
looking
in
to
have
an
obligation
to
put
an
ordinance
together
for
a
more
more
advanced
notice
in
writing
in
specific
and
detail.
Regarding
this
matter
now,
I
want
my
public
comment
to
be
on
record.
In
terms
of
my
my
public
comment
system,
participation
to
be
added
to
this
comment,
I
can
go
to
this
County
Council
budget
budget
public
hearing.
Thank
you.
O
My
name
is:
Jason
pay,
I
own
a
real
estate
company
here,
I've
been
doing
development
and
historic
preservation
here
in
the
city
for
quite
some
time
actually
have
more
to
say
about
the
next
item
agenda.
But
I
am
going
to
put
this
one
in.
There
is
no
hardship
for
this
property
owner
and
there
this
would
be
taking
housing
which
we
are
in
dire
need,
and
we
just
discussed
and
went
over
we'll
be
removing
housing
from
our
stock
for
a
private
school.
O
P
P
This
is
first
two
items,
this
property,
seven
Magazine
Street
is
already
owned
by
the
day
school
and
it's
adjacent
to
the
existing
school
campus.
The
intent
on
this
is
basically
to
use
this
as
part
of
the
school
campus
and
as
a
connection
to
what
the
school
hopes
to
do
with
the
Fielding
property,
which
will
be
number
three
on
the
agenda.
I
want
to
generally
just
speak
about
both
of
them.
For
a
moment,
many
of
you
are
familiar
with
the
day
school.
P
It's
been
on
the
peninsula
since
its
Inception
and
it's
been
an
important
part
of
the
mix
of
the
neighborhood
here
in
Downtown
Charleston,
the
Fielding
property,
which
will
be
number
three.
That's
also
a
Charleston
institution.
It's
been
around
for
I,
think
more
than
a
century,
and
the
school
is
very
appreciative
of
the
opportunity
to
be
become
the
next
stewards
of
that
site
and
to
continue
on
that
Legacy
and
actually
working
on
a
way
to
honor
the
field
and
family
on
the
expanded
campus.
P
Hopefully,
if
all
proceeds
as
planned,
this
school
is
this
neighborhood
has
used,
is
used
to
schools.
This
one's
been
around
college
prep
before
at
now,
Charleston
Day
School,
the
American
College
of
building
Arts.
As
you
all
know,
occupied
The,
Old,
City
Jail.
We
have
been
in
touch
with
the
neighbors.
Most
importantly,
the
the
neighborhood
association
has
expressed
their
support
written
a
letter
of
support
and
the
City
Housing
Authority,
which
is
the
most
important
neighbor
directly
across
the
street
and
tires
the
entire
block
there.
P
They
have
written
in
support
of
this
as
well
for
the
in
terms
of
the
comprehensive
plan
I'll
wrap
up
very
quickly.
This
is
designated
neighborhood,
which
is
supposed
to
have
a
mix
of
uses
and
variety
of
neighborhood
compatible
services.
This
is
consistent
with
the
city
plan
and
Planning
Commission
approved
it
unanimously
and
I'll.
Let
Mr
Hostetter
speak.
Thank
you,
things.
Q
Thank
you
good
evening,
I'm
Ross
Hostetter
board
chair
Charleston,
Day
School.
We
are
K-8
School,
we've
been
on
the
peninsula.
Now
for
85
Years
celebrated
our
anniversary.
This
year
we
were
founded
on
South
battery
on
this
10
a.m.
To
Stuart
in
1937,
we
moved
in
1949
Elliott
Street
moved
to
State
Street
in
81
into
Archdale,
where
we
are
today,
which
is
about
three
blocks
more
or
less
in
this
direction.
Q
I'm
starting
I
think
my
seventh
year
on
the
board.
Every
year
in
our
strategic
planning
committee
meetings,
we
talked
about
location
facilities
for
the
school
and
every
year
we
go
through
this
debate
about,
do
we
stay,
do
we
go
and
the
one
thing
that
kept
us
here
is
it's
sort
of
a
dream.
Opportunity
for
us
was
the
Fielding
property
to
the
north
of
our
campus,
and
we
hoped
all
along
that
at
one
point,
we'd
be
able
to
acquire
their
property
and
that
opportunity
is
presented
itself
now.
Q
The
Magazine
Street
property
is
a
critical
link
between
the
Archdale
campus
and
the
Fielding
properties
of
the
north.
It
solves
a
problem
for
us
as
a
school
forever,
we're
fundamentally
a
K-8
school.
We're
part
of
the
downtown
fabric
of
our
community.
We
want
to
remain
downtown,
and
this
really
solves
that
issue
for
us
the
long
long
term,
so
we
respectfully
request
approval
on
our
recommendations
tonight.
Thank.
R
Good
evening
my
name
is
Bernard
Fielding,
Jr,
I'm,
third
generation
Fielding
owner
of
the
Fielding
property
I've
mentioned,
come
to
you,
it's
a
Bittersweet
moment
for
us
as
we
close
our
business,
but
we
can't
think
of
a
better
Steward
than
the
Charleston
Day
School
to
carry
on
and
serve
the
community.
In
this
respect,
I
said:
I
represent
the
board
of
directors
as
well
as
the
stockholders,
and
we
are
definitely
in
full
favor
of
rezoning
for
school
usage
and
I
just
wanted
for
for
the
record
to
state
that,
and
that's.
S
M
D
Go
ahead,
that's
okay!
Thank
you!
Mr
protemp
I
will
not
make
the
motion,
but
finding
out
that
there
is
a
conflict
and
seeing
that
our
council
member
for
that
district
is
not
here.
I
won't
make
the
motion,
but
I
would
is
it
your
okay,
I
won't
make
the
motion,
but
I
would
rather
him
have
been
here
to
to
make.
You
know
make
this
vote,
but
okay.
J
T
I
T
U
I
I
would
like
to
follow
up
on
the
feeling
board
of
directors
further
than
the
legacy
of
the
property
being
used,
in
particular
for
educational
purposes.
I
mean
these
schools
and
Mr.
Morgan
can
remember
this
when
years
and
years
ago,
in
another
life,
when
I
was
on
the
zoning
commission,
we
came
up
with
these
overlay
districts
and
they
have
proven
to
be
not
good
but
extremely
successful.
In
certain
situations.
I
remember
when
Mason
prep
wanted
to
expand
I
thought
for
the
overlay.
U
District
you'd
be
surprised
how
hard
it
is
for
schools
to
expand,
in
particular
on
the
on
the
peninsula.
I
think
it
was
First
Baptist
wanted
to
expand.
You
would
be
surprised,
the
opposition
that
comes
out
of
that,
but
again
as
the
Peninsula
repopulates
with
families,
both
public
and
private
school
opportunities
need
to
be
made
available
and
given
a
peninsula
that's
already
built
out,
but
for
horse
property.
U
M
I
This
is
a
little
bit
of
an
unusual
situation
for
you
all
number
three,
because
this
is
to
amend
a
restrictive
covenant,
which
we
really
don't
put
on
properties
these
days
anymore.
This
dates
back
a
number
of
years
back
when
they
were
more
routine
at
the
city,
and
this
is
basically
allowing
a
school
use
on
the
site
that
was
the
Fielding
home
for
funerals.
I
That
would
change
the
restrictive
governance
right
now.
What
the
restrictive
covenants
say
is
that
that
property
is
owned,
limited
business
and
the
only
type
of
business
that
can
be
on
there
is
a
funeral
home,
and
this
would
allow
the
school
to
be
on
the
site
as
well
by
virtue
of
has
changed
the
restrictive
covenants
and
I'll
just
kind
of
show
you
all
some
of
the
images
of
the
property.
Again,
it's
oops!
I
So,
okay,
it
is
in
our
comprehensive
plan,
it's
in
the
neighborhood
area,
so
again
an
area
that
would
be
compatible
for
schools,
there's
a
description
of
neighborhood
here,
the
images
there
are
a
number
of
parking
lots
as
well
as
older
historic
buildings,
garages
things
like
that
all
the
types
of
buildings
that
would
be
associated
with
a
funeral
home.
Here's
a
little
bit
closer
view
of
the
site.
B
I
And
this
is
the
restrictive
covenant
from
I
believe
back
in
1990,
something
like
that,
and
it
basically
says
that
again
all
that
would
be
allowed.
There
would
be
the
funeral
home,
and
the
amendment
would
allow
the
underlying
language
here,
which
is
a
school
or
Nursery
School
kindergarten,
Elementary,
Secondary,
School,
College,
University
and
professional
vocational
school
to
be
added
to
those
restrictive
covenants
for
the
property
and
Planning
Commission
did
review
that
and
recommend
7-0
in
favor
of
the
change
through
restricted
governance.
M
O
Hi
I'm
Jason
pay
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
myself
also,
my
client
here
that
lives
in
the
center
of
this
property
in
the
parking
lot
at
110,
Logan,
Street
and
I'm.
Also,
the
vice
president
of
the
homeowners
association
at
67,
Legree
Street,
which
is
only
access,
is
through
Queen
Street
between
Legree
and
Logan
Street,
which
we
we
are
unable
to
use
at
this
point
for
a
sinkhole,
so
I'm
going
to
go
over
this
rather
quickly.
So
the
school
has
no,
how
hardship
to
change
the
zoning.
O
O
However,
I
spent
a
couple
days
and
I
have
several
signatures
from
the
homeowner
or
the
residents
who
lived
there
where
they
were
not
notified
about
that,
and
they
are
not
in
favor
of
this
change
because
it's
going
to
affect
their
quality
of
life
the.
Secondly,
they
say
they
want
to
add
two
classrooms.
O
Sir
I'm
sure
they're
230
and
they've
used
a
400
number
that
they
don't
want
to
grow
to.
However,
they
are
currently
able
to
house
340
students
which
is
60
away
from
there
goal
and
the
majority
of,
if
you
look
at
the
census,
the
census
says
that
there
are
398
children
in
the
29401
zip
code
and
if
you
look
at
manager,
Elementary
School,
they
have
321
students.
So,
therefore,
the
majority
of
the
students
that
go
into
school
are
from
elsewhere.
O
I
have
asked
Mr
Ross
what
his
number
of
students
are
that
live
on
the
peninsula
that
are
going
to
be
utilizing
this.
He
does
not
have
the
answer
for
the
neighborhood
and
we
just
want
more
transparency.
We
would
ask
that
they
table
this
until
they
can
speak
with
the
other
homeowners
and
come
up
with
their
plan
and
give
us
more
time
to
address
it.
But
I
have
30
homeowners
in
the
crafts
house
that
are
not
in
favor
I
have
one
this
year,
that's
going
to
speak
as
well,
and
we'd.
Ask
that
you
table
this.
V
Hi
I'm
David
gotch
I
live
at
110,
Logan
Street.
My
house
is
right
in
the
middle
of
the
Fielding
funeral
home
property.
I
purchased,
my
house
and
I
believe
it
was
2002
and
have
enjoyed
a
great
quality
of
life
with
really
really
good
neighbors
living.
There
I
absolutely
feel
my
quality
of
life.
The
value
of
my
home
that
I
purchased
will
certainly
be
hampered.
I
worked
from
home
when
I'm,
not
traveling,
for
work.
I
have
to
suspect
that
the
noise
levels
greatly
impacted
I
am
absolutely
probably
the
most
individual.
V
That's
going
to
be
affected
by
this
change
and
I
definitely
would
like
to
learn
more
about
what
the
plans
are.
What's
going
to
actually
be
going
back
there
and
I
really
just
don't
have
many
answers
right
now
and
it's
something
that
at
this
point,
I
cannot
support
being
that
I
am
100
affected.
Thank
you.
Thank.
W
I
think
that
the
school
has
five
children,
so
I
love
children
and
I
love
schools,
but
I
think
the
school
has
a
significant
impact
on
the
neighborhood
I
can
only
second,
all
of
the
comments
that
have
been
made
and
I
think
the
most
important
thing
is
before
any
kind
of
decision
on
rezoning
is
made
that
we
have
full
transparency
of
the
plans
that
the
school
has.
How
were
they
manage
traffic?
How
would
they
contain
noise?
How
would
they
contain
the
impact
on
the
neighborhood?
W
P
Thank
you,
James
Wilson,
with
blah
blonde
Dickinson
again.
So.
Planning,
of
course,
is
in
a
nascent
phase
for
the
expansion
of
the
school.
That's
going
to
go
through
the
regular
approval
process,
as
you
all
know,
and
would
expect
in
terms
of
numbers.
The
school
right
now
is
currently
maxed
out
at
about
270.
P
Students
with
this
expansion
could
grow
to
as
much
as
is
320,
but
we
actually
believe
this
is
probably
it's
a
bigger
campus
we're
hoping
actually
alleviates
traffic
on
Archdale
street,
because
we
now
will
have
a
second
access
point
on
Logan
Street,
it's
already
a
mixed-use
neighborhood.
It's
got
businesses
as
well
as
residences.
We
think
this
is
with
schools
and
history,
history
of
schools.
We
think
it's
a
good
fit.
P
The
Holston
Village
neighborhood
association,
which
is
this
neighborhood,
is
in
support
of
the
of
the
zoning
change
and,
and
then
lastly,
in
terms
of
who
it
serves,
we
don't
have
exact
numbers,
but
but
a
majority
of
students
live
on
the
the
peninsula,
about
35
percent
of
them
walk
or
bike
to
school.
This
is
a
local
school,
it
has
been,
but
it
also
serves
a
broader
Community
as
it
should.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
consideration.
Just
let
us
know
if
you
have
any
questions.
Thank
you.
Thank.
Y
R
Hello
again
Bernard
Fielding,
Jr
and
I'd,
just
like
to
piggyback
on
what
I
said
earlier
and
reiterate
that
within
our
own
institution,
Fielding
home
for
funerals,
we've
had
in-depth
discussion
about
what
we
would
like
to
see
happen
with
the
property
once
it's
sold
and
we
can
think
of
a
better
transition
to
with
the
Charleston
Bay
school.
And
it's
like
I,
said
it's
a
Bittersweet
moment
for
us.
But
we
like
the
notion
that
it's
going
to
be
used
to
serve
the
community
still
as
an
institution
for
Learning.
R
M
I
Z
I
Z
P
Z
M
AA
Thank
you,
and
so
what
is
that
in
in
connection
to
the
existence
you
know
we
used
to
get
these
slides
I've
asked
that
we
get
these
slides
as
part
of
our
agenda
package
and
I.
Don't
know
I'm
here,
not
what
you're
looking
at
anyhow.
So
not
anyhow,
can
you
show
me
this:
where
does
that
relationship
to
the
existing
building
where
the
Fielding
home
is
located.
P
P
Administrative
space
is
as
well,
and
so
these
are
facilities
that
the
school's
kind
of
crammed
in
you
know
in
the
old
College
Prep
campus.
It's
got
the
gym
and
kind
of
uses
the
gym
for
everything
right
for
you
know:
theater,
Auditorium,
basketball,
you
name
it,
and
so
this
is
an
opportunity
to
create
some
more
facilities
and
and
hopefully
do
create
more
classrooms
and
maybe
labs-
and
you
know,
there's
just
a
lot
of
opportunities
there.
The
exact
program
is
to
be
determined,
I
hope.
That's
at
least
a
little
helpful.
AA
I
I
am
not
sure
if
the
funeral
home
was
operating
before
that,
but
I
know
that
at
that
point
in
time
when
it
was
Zone
limited
business
typically
limited
business
allows
a
lot
more
uses.
Restaurants
bars
things
like
that
open
from
7
A.M
to
11
p.m.
That
kind
of
thing,
and
so
in
an
effort
to
work
with
the
neighborhood
I
think
the
Fielding
home
was
willing
to
limit
their
out
limit
their
uses
to
just
a
feeling
on
for
funerals,
as
opposed
to
having
other
uses
that
are
typically
found
in
limited
business.
I
AA
D
Thank
you,
Mr
protemp,
so
again,
I
won't
make
a
motion
to
deferred,
but
I
do
think
that
this
Council
should
moving
forward
I
think
we
should
request.
You
know
that
that
Charleston
day
have
more
conversations
with
the
surrounding
Community
we've
heard
from
a
few
neighbors,
and
thank
you
to
the
neighbors.
Thank
you
to
Mr
Fielding.
D
Thank
you
to
the
day
school
for
coming
out
and
and
explaining
your
position,
because,
if
not,
we
wouldn't
know
so
I
will
say
if
this
moves
forward,
maybe
for
second
and
third
reading,
if
Charleston
day
or
the
neighbors
or
the
association
presidents
could
come
back
and
sort
of
give
us
an
update
on
what
they've
uncovered
or
what
they
plan
to
do
with
the
property.
I
do
agree
with
some
of
the
the
neighborhood.
D
Z
What
would
it
be
worth
without
the
school
overlay
and
the
reason
why
I'm,
asking
and
I'm
just
raising
the
question
for
thought,
because
what
traditionally
happens
to
our
community
is
that
we
sell
not
realizing
that
if
we
came
forward
with
the
rezoning
on
the
property
that
the
property
would
be
worth
considerably
more
money,
okay,
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
for
the
record.
Traditionally
that's
what
happens
to
African
Americans
in
particular
in
this
city.
Z
They
don't
get
the
proper
zoning
prior
to
selling
and
as
a
result,
they
have
to
sell
it
for
a
much
lower
price.
Just
want
the
record
to
reflect
that,
but
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion.
Mr
chairman,
if
I
may
yes,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
with
the
caveats
that
council
member
Parker
just
articulated
and
those
caveats
were.
A
D
Sure,
just
just
to
hear
from
you
know,
I
I
do
think
that
the
communities
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
Community
should
should
have
a
reasonable
amount
of
time
to
understand.
What's
going
to
go
in,
you
know,
obviously
traffic.
You
know
they
the
school's,
been
there
for
quite
a
while,
but
just
to
unders.
You
know
a
better
understanding
of
what
would
go
in,
and
one
thing
I
did
forget
to
mention
you
know:
traffic
counts,
I
mean
we.
We
talk
about
that
a
lot
just
with
speed,
bumps
and
stop
signs,
and
things
like
that.
D
AB
U
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
Mr
Morgan.
What
else
could
go
here?
What
other
type
uses
could
go
here
beside
I
think
a
school
is
kind
of
fits
in
but
and
I
agree
with
Miss
Parker
said
you
definitely
need
to
communicate
with
neighbors
and
certainly
the
what
was
the
name
of
the
public
housing
across
the
street,
but
obviously,
if
they,
if
but
for
the
school.
What
other
type
of
businesses
could
go
ahead
because
the
commercial
business
been
there
for
100
years
so.
I
Again,
right
now,
it's
limited
because
of
the
restrictive
covenant
to
just
a
funeral
home,
but
should
the
restrictive
covenant
go
away?
The
limited
business
use
would
allow
restaurants.
It
would
allow
multi-family
residential
up
to
19
units,
an
acre
which
is
you
know
somewhat
in
line
with.
What's
in
the
surrounding
area,
it
will
allow
offices
trying
to
think
other.
You
know
again,
if
there's
no
restrictive
covenant
on
it
at
all,
it
would
allow
other
social
purposes
as
well
lots.
U
AC
T
Just
real
quickly,
this
was
the
point
of
my
question
on
the
earlier
agenda
item
so
giving
the
school
overlay
zoning
just
allows
in
general
the
ability
to
do
a
school.
Any
specific
School
plan
would
have
to
go
before
the
Boza
and
Mr
Wilson's,
an
excellent
zoning
and
land
use
attorney.
He
knows
as
much
as
anybody
that
appears
before
these
zoning
boards.
T
M
AD
M
All
right,
councilman
Gregory
made
the
amendment
to
number
three
seconded
by
council
member
Mitchell,
with
the
condition
of
additional
Community
engagement.
Traffic
counts.
Hearing
back
from
the
neighborhood
I'll.
Send
this
to
council
now
for
a
vote
all
in
favor
of
item
three
as
amended,
please
indicate
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
hearing.
None
that
passes
as
amended
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
our
mayor.
A
I
And
just
real
quickly:
North
Allerton
Circle
2205.
This
would
come
in
the
city
as
sr1
single
family,
residential
and
there
it
is
in
our
account
plan
in
the
2246
North
Allerton
Circle.
That
would
also
come
in
as
sr1.
These
are
all
existing
developed,
residential
lots
and
in
our
com
prints
of
plan,
and
then
we
have
2142
South
taylorton
Circle
again
sr1
is
an
existing
developed
single-family
lot.
I
I
I
A
A
Next
up
is
approval
of
our
city
council
minutes
from
May
the
9th,
so
I
can
function
to
prove
any
corrections,
Edition
deletions
hearing,
none
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
and
he
opposed
the
odds.
Have
it
so
next
up
is
our
citizens
participation
period?
How
many
folks
do
we
have
signed
up
for
that?
There.
E
C
AE
I
have
a
letter
from
the
owners
of
Marion
Square,
as
well
as
the
Calhoun
family,
some
of
which
reside
here
in
Charleston
and
have
for
many
years,
which
is
an
invitation
to
members
of
council
to
start
a
dialogue
and
talk
about
a
pathway
forward.
The
monument
has
been
in
storage
for
three
years
and
a
resolution
needs
to
be
to
be
put
together.
AE
Hopefully
one
that
recognizes
not
everybody
will
love,
but
hopefully
a
majority
will
find
reasonable.
So
we
thank
you
for
considering
this
request
to
start
a
discussion
and
look
forward
to
your
reply.
Madam
clerk
I
do
have
a
letter
from
the
owners
of
Marion
Square,
as
well
as
the
Calhoun
family
for
Council.
Thank
you.
So
much.
C
AF
AF
It's
really
nice
when
you
have
a
public
meeting
and
you
get
72
percent
of
the
people
agreeing
on
one
thing,
but
that's
what
we
got
at
the
public
meeting
that
we
had
on
this
discussion.
Recently,
72
percent
of
the
people
voted
in
favor
of
option,
one
to
do
anything
other
than
that
is
to
tell
72
percent
of
the
people
that
what
they
think
does
not
matter.
AF
That
should
not
be
the
message
of
this
Council.
The
people
have
spoken
option.
One
is
what
they
want,
and
this
is
what
we
should
have
in
West.
Ashley
West
Ashley
deserves
the
best
and
it
should
have
the
best
just
like
the
rest
of
this
city
and
I.
Thank
you
all
for
for
your
consideration
tonight
and
particularly
to
councilmember
Parker
for
making
it
possible
for
us
to
discuss
all
of
this
at
one
time
and
place.
Thank
you.
AD
AD
AD
AG
AH
AH
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
here
tonight.
My
name
is
Ed
Sutton
I
live
in
District
9,
which
I
like
to
make
a
motion
later
that
we
rename
to
the
mustache
District,
since
that
seems
to
be
a
comment,
a
common
theme,
but
also
in
the
board
of
directors
for
carda
and
then
also
serving
the
Air
Force
Reserves
as
a
lieutenant
colonel
for
my
day,
job
I
fix
up
old
buildings,
so
very
involved
with
development
and
wise
city
planning.
AH
Things
like
the
previous
mayor,
Riley
would
tell
us,
make
sure
you're
looking
50
100
years
into
the
future
and
I
think
we
have
that
with
option.
One
and
I'll
repeat
the
question.
Quick
history:
we've
been
looking
at
the
site
since
2018
there's
been
14
public
meetings
concerning
this
site.
It's
been
through
West
Ashley,
revitalization
committee
option.
AH
AH
When
that's
explained
to
people
they
get
it
that
it
has
the
underground
park,
it
maximizes
our
surface
space
and
it
does
cost
a
lot
of
money
to
build
something
that
retains
water
underground.
So
council
tonight
I
encourage
you
to
please
move
forward
with
option
one
it's.
What
West
Ashley
wants
is
what
we've
been
waiting
for
and
we
deserve
a
win
over
on
our
side
of
town.
Thank
you.
AG
AI
Bob
O'brien
10
Stutz,
Court,
West,
Ashley
mayor
the
Summer
Street
options.
There
are
other
funding
to
developing
this
area
and
the
triangle
property
is
a
wonderful
Gateway
Park
to
West
Ashley
that
do
not
involve
tax
giveaways
to
a
developer.
Charleston
Cannon
should
use
the
same
grant
funding
application
further.
We
currently
employ
for
the
Low
Country
low-lying
Park
being
developed
for
the
benefit
of
peninsula
residents
to
secure
federal
and
state
park.
Grant
monies
currently
available
to
make
the
gateway
to
West
Ashley
the
park
originally
called
for.
AI
L
Members
of
council
Michael
Maher
one
cool
below
street,
but
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
West
Edge
Foundation.
To
give
you
a
brief
update
on
the
Gaston
Creek
matter
and
West
Edge's
efforts
to
address
the
contamination
and
flooding,
that's
impacting
the
West
Side,
the
Gadsden
Green
community,
as
well
as
anybody
who
tries
to
navigate
Hagen
Avenue
in
the
vicinity
of
Fishburn
and
Line
Street.
L
The
bottom
line
is
that
this
matter
has
been
fully
and
thoroughly
and
fairly
addressed
by
the
administrative
law
Court.
We
had
four
and
a
half
days
of
testimony,
including
expert
testimony
both
by
West
Edge
and
by
the
friends
of
Gatson
Creek
other
Witnesses,
and
after
that,
testimony,
after
all
of
the
facts,
the
administrative
law
Court
found
that
all
the
Alternatives
offered
by
the
friends
of
Gadsden
Creek.
None
of
them
would
achieve
the
necessary
combination
of
controlling
the
flooding
and
addressing
and
capping
the
contamination
that
threatens
the
community
I'm.
L
Going
to
read
directly
from
the
final
ruling.
The
code
wrote
that
the
West
Edge
project
is
the
only
way
to
ensure
that
one
landfill
will
stop
threatening
the
health
safety
well
for
other
people
and
the
environment
and
address
the
flooding
issues,
which
are
also
a
threat
to
Public
Health.
The
unfortunate
truth
is
that
today,
the
opposition
is
impacting
the
west
side
and
the
gas
and
green
community
on
a
daily
basis
and
the
longer
this
goes
on
the
longer.
AJ
Hello,
my
name
is
Carlton
Swift
I
live
at
1631
Pinckney
Park
Drive
in
West,
Ashley
and
I
would
like
to
show
my
support
for
option
one
for
the
Summer
Street
Redevelopment
people
have
expressed
concerns
about
the
cost
of
this
project.
My
perception
and
a
lot
of
people
in
West
Ashley
is
that
a
similarly
scaled
project
downtown
would
cost
significantly
more.
Yet
no
one
would
blink
an
eye
at
the
cost.
AJ
Consumer
Street
project
is
not
just
for
West
Ashley.
It's
a
project
that
will
benefit
all
of
Charleston.
The
city
has
neither
public
meeting
space
nor
significant
city
offices
located
off
of
the
peninsula.
Even
our
wonderful
West
Ashley
coordinator's
office
is
located
on
the
peninsula.
By
fully
funding
this
project,
Charleston
will
be
able
to
provide
office
and
meeting
space
for
people
who
may
not
be
willing
or
able
to
go
downtown.
AJ
Furthermore,
this
investment
will
show
Charleston's
confidence
in
Redevelopment
off
of
the
peninsula
developers,
who
might
otherwise
be
in
talks
with
North
Charleston
are
far
more
likely
to
consider
the
samret
corridor
if
they
see
tangible
first-class
investment
from
the
city.
We
are
a
first-class
City.
We
are
all
first
class
citizens
places
off
of
the
peninsula
are
just
as
deserving
of
first-class
investment.
AJ
We
don't
want
to
set
the
precedent
that
West
Ashley,
James,
Island,
Daniel,
Island
and
John's
Island
are
only
worthy
of
the
crumbs
left
over
from
the
peninsula's
feasts
I
hope,
one
day
to
see
Flagship
several
times
on
John's
Island,
James,
island
and
Daniel
Island.
Let's
set
the
standard
today
that
all
of
Charleston
is
worthy
of
a
first
class
investment.
Third
time
vote
for
option
one.
Thank
you.
AG
AK
Evening,
mayor
and
Council
I'm,
a
member
of
Cajun
and
I
worship
at
St,
Stephen's
Episcopal
on
Anson
Street.
We
started
a
petition.
We
have
a
thousand
plus
names
on
petition
that
was
published
in
City
paper,
and
we
also
have
comments
that
some
people
wrote
with
those
on
that
petition.
So
I'd
like
to
present
this
to
you,
if
you
would
give
that
to
the
mayor
bedtime
reading
tonight,
maybe
I
just
want
to.
AK
Tell
you
all
a
few
of
the
comments
that
were
that
people
wrote
when
they
signed
the
petition.
One
person
wrote
I,
understand,
flooding
is
a
complex
issue
and
many
potential
Solutions
should
be
looked
at,
but
I
think
it's
too
easy
to
pave
paradise
and
put
up
a
parking
lot.
To
quote
a
well-known
song.
Gatson's
Creek
may
not
seem
like
paradise
to
some
of
us,
but
to
others
it
is.
It
is
home
neighborhood
and
as
part
of
the
fabric
that
we
are
so
rapidly
losing
across
the
peninsula.
AK
A
person
in
Charleston
wrote,
I
am
an
architect
in
Charleston
who
believes
that
wetlands
are
to
be
protected
and
Define.
The
beauty
of
our
area
that
mitigate
storm,
runoff
and
they're,
demolishing
and
destruction,
contribute
to
more
severe
flooding
and
we'll
just
disproportionately
affect
underserved
communities
and
communities
of
color.
AL
My
name
is
David
Osborne
I
am
the
treasurer
for
the
Sandhurst
neighborhood
civic
association.
I
want
to
start
by
thanking
you
city,
council
and
the
mayor.
You'll
start
it
at
4,
30
and
you're.
Still
plowing
strong
right
straight
through
dinner.
Y'all
will
never
hear
me
say:
y'all,
don't
work,
so
I
am
in
favor
of
option,
one
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you
why
some
people
have
already
talked
about
it.
AL
This
has
been
going
on
for
years
now,
we've
had
countless
number
of
neighborhood
meetings.
The
public
has
spoken.
They've
had
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
submit
what
they
would
like
to
see
done
with
the
space.
Some
of
the
things
that
were
asked
for
was
a
Civic
Center,
a
green
space
area
and
businesses
and
option
one
encompasses
all
three
of
those.
AL
Now
you
know
just
anecdotally
and
talking
to
people
some
of
the
things
that
I've
heard
as
far
as
opposition
go
to.
Well,
not
everyone
supports
every
part
of
option
one.
If
we're
waiting
for
everyone
to
support
every
part
of
option,
one
we're
gonna
be
looking
at
a
vacant
lot
for
a
long
time
or
for
any
option
for
that
matter.
AL
K
Good
evening,
mayor
City,
Council
Members,
thank
you
for
your
service.
My
name
is
Deborah
gammons
I'm,
an
attorney
I'm,
also
a
professor
at
Charleston
School
of
Law
and
I
Rise,
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
City
of
Charleston
I'm.
A
resident
I
live
at
1818,
Pierce,
Street
and
I
am
also
a
low
country
native
I
Rise.
To
speak
about
what
is
needed
in
our
city.
We
need
protection,
we
need
safety
and
we
need
preservation.
K
Part
of
this
history
of
Charleston
is
so
important
when
I
look
around
this
room
and
I
see
all
of
these
wonderful
paintings.
I
see
two
females
I
see
one
two
black
people,
and
that
is
it.
We
are
all
part
of
the
city
and
because
of
that
because
of
the
necessity
of
inclusion,
equality
and
also
having
everyone
to
the
table
and
having
them
to
speak.
I
am
running
for
mayor
of
the
City
of
Charleston
and
even
looking
around
this
table.
K
We
have
one
female
council
member,
so
female
Nails
make
up
51
of
our
country,
the
greatest
country
in
the
world,
and
we
need
to
be
a
part
of
that
and
safety
is
so
important,
particularly
in
all
the
areas
that
my
fellow
Low
Country
citizens
have
noted
all
of
it.
So
that
is
the
reason
I'm
running
for
mayor
and
I'm,
so
grateful
to
live
in
a
country
where
I
can
do
that.
This
color
of
my
skin
or
my
sex
does
not
make
a
difference.
Thank
you
for
all
of
your
service.
AG
AM
Good
evening,
I'm
not
going
to
speak
to
you
about
money,
I'm
going
to
speak
to
you
about
West
Ashley
and
a
Civic
Center,
because
I
have-
and
this
is
what
my
credential
is
I-
have
lived
in
my
home
for
40
years.
I
am
four
blocks
from
Sumer
Street
and
I,
walk
to
the
Piggly
Wiggly,
so
I'm
well
aware
of
everything
that
is
there.
Also
I
did
go
to
this
meeting.
It
was
held
I
believe
on
the
11th
of
June,
and
I
will
tell
you.
The
entire
vote
was
totally
meaningless.
AM
We
had
never
seen
those
three
different
plans
until
that
evening.
The
mayor
had
many
City
people
there
to
tell
us
all
about
them
and
then,
when
he
began
the
meeting
he
pointed
out
right
off
the
bat
that
he
wanted.
Number
one
and
I
want
you
to
think
about.
This
is
important
because
there
were
so
many
City
people
there.
Then
we
get
a
moderator
who
gets
up
and
announces
okay,
we're
going
to
do
something
different
tonight.
We're
going
to
vote
on
a
QR
code.
AM
I
instantly
interrupted,
not
interrupt
raised
my
hand,
I
said,
sir,
what
if
we
don't
have
a
phone?
He
said
well
we'll
give
you
a
chance
to
speak
at
the
end.
Okay,
that's
how
I
was
told
them.
My
vote
didn't
count
on
the
phone.
So
what
happens
when
the
speakers
start
getting
up?
It
was
a
pre-arranged
group.
Excuse
me
I
promise
you
we
had
land
developers
speaking
about
the
wonderful
development
of
one.
AM
Quickly,
they
said
they
want
an
ice
cream
shop
and
those
people
didn't
even
know
that
across
the
street
we
have
old-fashioned
ice
cream
parlor,
they
didn't
know
anything
about
the
area
I
just
very
quickly.
I
want
number
three
I
want
that
nice
city
hall
that
they
designed
for
one
put
on
number
three
with
open
space
for
Gatherings.
Thank
you.
AN
Good
evening
I'm
Diane,
Hamilton,
1219,
Forbes,
Avenue,
West,
Ashley
and
I
am
speaking
in
full
support
of
option
number
one
decision
I
arrived
at
on
my
own
for
the
Summa
Street
Redevelopment
a
landmark
for
our
future.
It
promotes
public
private
cooperation,
Civic
interaction
and
neighbors,
connecting
while
expanding
business
opportunities
in
West
Ashley,
the
citizens
living
and
work
in
West
Ashley
deserve
the
best.
Charleston
deserves
the
best.
Since
2017
the
goal
has
been
to
transform
an
unsightly
space
into
a
magnificent
gateway
to
the
South
Carolina's
historical
site,
Charlestown,
Landing,
Charleston
and
West
Ashley.
AN
S
AG
AO
AO
We
work
with
the
College
of
Charleston
and
personally
I'm,
trying
to
kind
of
grow
the
area
and
bring
in
folks
from
all
around
to
do
business
in
the
area
and
I
about
four
years
ago
moved
into
West
Ashley,
because
I
like
the
vibe
and
and
there
was
promise
for
revitalization
and
I,
think
that
it's
option
number
one
is
the
way
to
go.
There's
been
due
diligence,
the
design
and
the
parking
garage
being
partially
underground
is
good
for
flooding.
I,
don't
it's!
You
know
it's
don't
get
wrapped
up
around
the
axle.
AP
Good
evening
my
name
is
Angela
Washington
and
I'm,
a
residence
of
Batson,
green
and
I
live
on
the
BTT.
Despite
what
city
officials
who
have
shipped
with,
despite
what
city
officials
have
shared
with
us,
we've
learned
from
expert
in
the
field
of
hydrology
that
the
flooding
problems
and
the
conditions
that
exist
in
my
neighborhood
can
be
solve
through
some
pretty
Simple
Solutions.
AP
AP
Problems
are
addressed
on
the
west
side,
then
there
will
be
no
need
for
the
existing
response
of
quick
contamination
I'm
here
tonight
with
the
rest
of
my
organization,
with
a
thousand
signatures
of
individuals
calling
on
the
mayor
and
city
council
to
save
gas
and
great
in
March.
Over
1500
people
came
out
in
person
to
call
on
the
mayor
and
city
council
to
restore
and
Revitalize
gas
and
cream
just
around
across
the
peninsula.
Members
of
your
community
called
for
the
Halt
and
development
in
at
the
Union
Pier.
AG
B
AQ
But
at
any
rate,
this
is
something
that
the
state
department
department
will
be
working
on
a
little
bit
more
fully.
This
fall
and
we
would
like
to
certainly
participate
in
this
endeavor
they're,
proposing
certain
sister
city
programs
in
Oceana,
but
anyway,
I'd
like
to
share
more
information
with
you
regarding
this
matter
and
getting
your
support
in
input.
After
speaking
with
the
mayor.
Thank
you.
AR
Good
evening
Mr,
Mayor
and
members
of
city
council,
my
name
is
Kenneth.
Merold
I
live
at
45,
Sycamore
Avenue
Concord.
Tonight
you
will
vote
on
continuing
with
the
sumar
street
project
and
in
advance
of
that
vote,
I'd
like
to
share
a
few
thoughts
about
this
project.
For
your
consideration.
The
city
studied
three
options.
After
there
were
questions
about
the
main
proposal.
AR
Firstly,
I.
Think
almost
everyone
agrees
that
option.
Three
is
completely
inadequate
for
this
site.
We
can
get
so
much
more
out
of
this
piece
of
land
if
we
don't
use
it
or
if
we
don't
use
half
of
it
for
surface
level
parking
option.
Two
is
equally
problematic.
The
surrounding
neighborhoods
have
been
very
clear
in
stating
they
do
not
want
to
look
at
a
parking
garage.
I
think
we
can
all
agree
that
this
location
with
such
high
visibility
deserves
better
architecture
than
a
parking
deck.
AR
This
leaves
option
one
which
makes
the
most
efficient
use
of
the
land
and
does
not
demand
an
unsightly
parking
deck.
It
is
also
the
only
option
that
addresses
storm
water
option.
One
follows
the
recommendations
of
the
Dutch
dialogue,
which,
on
page
118,
recommended
enacting
an
integrated
set
of
green
storm
water
infrastructure
development
rules
that
harmonize
parking,
Landscaping,
open
space,
drainage
design,
detention,
design
and
storm
water
quality
design
requirements.
AR
To
this
same
point,
the
City
of
Charleston
hosted
the
hazard
mitigation
meeting
on
Wednesday
June
14th,
which
I
attended
public
input
collected
by
them
showed
that
flooding
is
the
second
major
Hazard
concern
showed
by
citizens.
Furthermore,
the
public
feedback
collected
shows
that,
following
the
Dutch
dialogue's
recommendations
is
a
major
way.
The
public
wants
the
city
to
address
flooding.
AS
Hi,
my
name
is
Trent
Humphrey
I
live
at
3220
Hatchet,
Bay
Drive,
which
is
the
Hayward,
and
it's
near
Carolina,
Bay
and
I'm
here
to
speak
in
support
of
sumar
Street
option
one
and
for
the
city
council
to
vote
on
option
one
in
favor
of
it
and
as
far
as
the
consideration
of
it
as
a
Gathering
Place
and
as
a
Gateway.
Those
I
think
are
very
important
to
consider
and
all
the
plans
address
that.
AG
B
AT
AT
Here
we
are
presented
with
a
garage
which,
as
many
have
explained,
has
a
very
important
role
to
play
in
our
community,
we're
all
aware
of
climate
change.
This
allows
in
a
storm
for
the
cars
to
be
removed
and
for
a
place
for
that
water
to
be
held
from
all
the
impervious
surface
around
that
area.
So
I
urge
you
think
differently.
Think
positively.
AG
AK
AU
Mayor
council
members,
I'm
Donna
Daniel
at
1549,
Burning
Tree
Road,
it's
been
three
years
almost
trying
to
open
a
couple
of
Roads
so
that
one
property
will
not
be
getting
all
of
the
in
and
out
day
and
night.
It's
maddening,
it
is
a
law
already
said
in
the
book
that
those
roads
should
not
be
closed.
Would
you
please,
when
you
get
the
handout?
Look
at
the
second
page,
there's
a
photo
that
is
Fairway
Drive
and
Harbor
View.
AU
AU
Your
lawyer
sent
a
letter
saying
that
the
street
remains
encumbered
by
a
public
easement
which
is
in
has
to
be
in
writing.
We've
yet
to
see
that
and
the
city
has
fully
preserved
its
right
to
reopen
the
street.
Well,
then
reopen
it
and
let
the
traffic
go
through
so
that
one
property
won't
be
getting
think
about
your
home
as
a
square
all
day
long,
all
night,
long,
two
sides
of
our
property
man,
time
all
of
the
traffic
coming
in
and
out.
That's
not
fair
mayor!
You
know
it's
not
fair.
AU
AV
AV
How
does
a
city
developer
gain
more
land
to
develop
when
it's
surrounded
by
a
creek,
Marsh
and
wetlands
cry
contamination,
cry
flooding,
ignore
your
own
rules
and
regulations
and
then
claim
to
be
a
flood
mitigator
and
claim
to
have
the
only
solution
to
the
flooding
in
the
neighborhood
Gadsden
Creek
can
and
should
be
restored
and
revitalized
right
now,
while
cities
across
the
country
are
tearing
up
the
concrete
they
poured
into
the
creeks
and
restoring
them
we're
proposing
to
do
what
cities
have
learned
is
wrong.
It's
the
wrong
thing
to
do
to
fill
the
creek.
AV
When
we
ask
a
hydrologist
about
the
city's
plan,
he
said
that
West
Edge's
plan
was
the
dumbest
thing
the
city
could
do
for
flooding
and
contamination.
Why
are
we
proposing
to
do
the
dumbest
thing?
Let's
prevent
ourselves
from
one
of
the
biggest
bloopers
we
could
make.
Let's
use
some
teamwork
and
build
a
plan
for
Gadsden
Creek
that
we
can
be
proud
of.
There's
plenty
of
money
out
there
to
do
this
work
together.
Can't
you
catch
the
vision
for
Gadsden
Creek.
AV
AW
I
am
here
to
speak
to
you
in
favor
of
option.
One
I
have
not
begrudged
any
development
or
investment
into
downtown
Charleston
I.
Ask
that
you
not
begrudge
anything
to
West
Ashley,
James,
Island,
John's,
Island
or
Daniel.
Island
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
Mr
steinart's
Petition
of
1089
signatures
is
about
the
apartments
that
are
taking
place
in
the
adjacent
development
shopping
center,
not
on
Sumer,
Street
I
know
because
I
think
I
signed
it.
AT
AG
AX
Josh
Dix
I'm,
the
government
Affairs
director
for
the
Charleston
Trident
Association
of
Realtors
I,
live
at
640,
Rutledge,
Avenue
and
I've
had
a
first
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
that
land
lease
deal
with
for
the
affordable
housing.
That's
a
smart
use
of
your
resources
as
an
Innovative
way
to
address
affordability.
So
thank
you.
There
and
I
also
want
to
say
thank
you
for
the
phone
calls
and
the
chats
about
sumar,
Street,
I,
think
I've
talked
to
to
most.
AX
All
of
you
and
I
understand
the
various
points
of
view,
but
this
option
one
has
gone
through
TRC,
it's
been
approved
by
drb.
It's
been
vetted
heavily
at
work
and
and
by
the
various
communities
of
interest
in
West
Ashley,
and
the
investment
in
West
Ashley
needs
to
happen
that
property.
That
project
is
not
going
to
get
any
cheaper.
We
see
construction
costs
going
up
all
the
time
and
I
would
just
like
some
direction
in
tonight's
debate.
If
it's
not
going
to
be
option
one,
what
is
the
future
of
the
the
Piggly
Wiggly?
AX
AG
AY
Good
evening
my
name
is
Lynn
Cool,
J,
I'm
of
commodore
Road
and
tonight
I'm
here
with
my
friends
from
the
Charleston
area,
Justice
ministry,
as
well
as
friends
of
Gadsden
Creek.
Well,
everyone
here
going
to
bat
for
Gadsden
Creek
and
the
Gadsden
Green
community.
Please
stand
you
might
not
be
able
to
see
them
all
they're
kind
of
hidden
around
the
corners.
A
few
people
have
left
as
we're
far
into
the
evening.
In
the
summer
of
2012
14
congregations
came
together
to
form
cagem
and
to
work
on
community
problems.
AY
Together,
we've
grown
to
over
40
congregations
in
the
past
11
years
and
in
those
11
years
when
it
comes
to
problems
that
we
voted
on
and
researched,
and
the
solutions
that
we've
identified
to
address
these
problems,
we're
batting
a
thousand
we've
called
on
changes
in
policies
and
reforms
long
before
they
were
popular,
such
as
the
racial
bias,
audit,
increasing
preschool
slots
and
the
wage
recovery
program
to
help
workers
recover
their
stolen
wages.
We've
hit
it
out
of
the
park.
We
we've
chosen
the
right
problems
and
the
solutions,
because
all
of
this
is
Community
Driven.
AY
It's
about
the
people,
we're
right
on
the
Gadsden
Creek
issue
and
and
the
more
we
learn
the
more
confidence
we
gain
that
we're
on
the
just
side
of
this
issue.
We
only
have
a
few
speakers
tonight,
but
we
hope
you
were
listening
with
open
minds,
because
if
you
inherited
this
Gadsden
Creek
issue,
when
you
join
Council,
then
you
were
probably
told
many
misleading
half-truths
that
we,
the
community,
have
been
told,
and
it's
taken
some
digging
man,
but
we
have.
AG
AY
Y
X
You
hello,
Mayors
members
of
council,
my
wife
appealed
to
your
emotional
side
now
I'm
going
to
give
you
the
legal
side.
All
right.
First
of
all,
I
ask
you
for
a
letter
telling
me
what
was
going
on.
I
got
this
gobbledygoop
that
failure
first
year
law,
exam
issue,
rule
analysis.
Conclusion
no
rule,
so
I'll
give
you
the
rule.
It
says
here
we
have
not
just
demonstrated
any
intention
to
close
the
street.
So
please
read
this
and
then
it
says,
but
we
preserve
the
right
to
reopen
it.
You
didn't
close
it.
X
You
can't
don't
have
to
reopen
it.
Next
thing
is
showed
you
a
picture
of
what
it
looks
like.
That
is
what
you're
calling
an
open
Street.
Now,
let's
talk
about,
what
is
a
street
if
the
entire
width
of
the
street?
This
is
1962
code
46.,
if
the
entire,
with
those
trees
be
open
to
vehicular
traffic
is
not
able
to
be
utilized
by
a
car
of
the
Road
is
closed,
we're
not
abandoning
or
closing
road
yeah.
You
did
you
closed
it.
Title
57
tells
you
you
closed
it.
X
Then
they
said
well,
we
allowed
an
easement,
didn't
even
address
the
one
that
Fairway
Drive,
because
it's
just
trees
in
the
road
there's
a
walking
easement
to
have
an
easement.
It
has
to
be
for
the
same
purpose
that
was
used
for
to
begin
with.
So
if
cars
were
going
through
it,
an
easement
can
only
be
for
a
car,
it
cannot
be
for
a
walker
path
and
once
again
to
get
it
ease
of
it.
It
takes
an
order
for
city
council
and
it
must
be
invited
and
you
have
to
pay
a
700
fee.
X
No,
no,
which
happened
so
is
there
an
even
no
they're,
absolutely
not
an
easement.
There's,
certainly
no
approved.
Even
once
again,
why
am
I
still
standing
here
telling
you
that
you're,
not
above
the
law,
I
mean
I've?
Given
you
the
laws
I've,
given
the
rules
I've,
given
you
specifically,
why
you
can't
do
it
and
when
I
first
met
you
mayor,
one
of
the
first
things
you
told
me
was
to
sue
you
now,
I
wonder
whether
putative
damages
would
be
for
40
years
of
harassment
to
my
father
with
all
this
traffic.
X
C
AZ
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
my
name
is
William
Sinclair
I
live
in
District,
9,
Sands
mustache,
but
I
rise
in
support
of
option.
One
I've
I've
called
West
Ashley,
my
home,
my
entire
life.
For
all
those
years.
The
city
hasn't
done
very
much
meaningful
in
terms
of
improvements
and
he's
taught
us
many
people
I've
been
talking
to
a
lot
of
people
in
support
of
this.
AZ
It's
actually
gotten
worse
over
the
last
40
years,
so
go
to
go
to
Citadel
Mall,
walk
down,
Sam
Rittenberg,
you
can't
well,
you
can't
walk
downstairs
River,
because
there
are
no
sidewalks
but
look
at
look
at
the
vacant.
Storefronts
look
at
the
empty
parking
lots
we
need.
We
need
some
mixed
use
development.
We
need
the
city's
investment
in
that
to
bring
community
and
and
families
together.
AZ
I
think.
The
question
that
you
all
should
be
asking
yourself
is
not
whether
the
city
has
the
means
to
do
something
like
this.
Y'all
clearly
have
the
means
to
do
this.
I
think
the
question
is:
what's
actually
going
to
look
like
in
the
next
40
years
and
I
think
you
know
we
need
the
Improvement
we
need.
We
need
the
investment
West
Ashley
has
has
done
a
lot
for
the
City
of
Charleston
and
I
mean
I
want
to
again
support
option.
AZ
A
A
First
is
an
appointment
to
the
citizens,
police,
Advisory,
Board
of
Liliana,
Taylor
and
I
entertained
a
motion
to
appoint
as
Taylor
to
The,
Advisory,
Council
and
I
will
note,
even
though
pretty
sure
this
is
the
young
lady
who's
at
the
College
of
Charleston
and
could
qualify
as
one
of
the
youth
Representatives
if
councilmember
shealy
comes
forward
with
a
representative
or
a
recommendation
soon
that
that
Miss
Taylor
will
simply
be
the
mayor's
adult
appointment
nomination
to
the
thank
you
for
that
consideration.
Thank
you.
A
U
A
A
All
right
any
discussion,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it
next
up
is
our
bar
large
Seton,
Brown,
John,
Robinson
and
Luda
Sab
Chuck
any
discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
oppose
the
odds.
Have
it
our
design,
review
board,
Ashley,
jackrel,
Aaron,
Stevens
and
Stephanie
Tillerson
council
member
Parker.
D
D
AA
A
A
T
BA
AA
This
is
a
problem
I
brought
up
before
and
if
you
look
at
the
composition
of
the
Dom
review
board,
I've
asked
specifically
that
we
appoint
people
who
are
citizens
of
the
community
who
bring
a
different
Common,
Sense
approach
to
design,
review,
board
and
I've.
Seen
this
happen
numerous
times,
and
both
of
these
folks
are
wonderful
people
by
the
way,
they're
very
dedicated
citizens
and
they're
very
dedicated
and
I'm,
not
speaking
ill
of
them
at
all.
AA
I
want
that
impression
to
come
out,
but
the
design
review
board
has
gone
through
various
Generations
I
guess
as
to
how
they
review
the
applications
that
come
before
they
do.
A
great
job,
I
mean.
Let
me
make
that
that
abundantly
clear
as
well,
but
the
purpose
of
having
a
citizen
seat
is
to
put
a
non-professional
who's
into
this
position
as
either
a
an
engineer,
an
architect,
a
realtor
or
a
landscape
architect
on
this
board,
because
we
need
to
have
diversity
on
these
boards.
AA
M
Council
member
second,
thank
you,
mayor
Mike,
my
question
before
we
start
debating
some
of
this
and
you
all
know
my
feelings
around
bar.
So
what
is
the
application
volume
I
mean?
Are
we
picking
from
a
slim
slim
few
is
this?
Is
this
all
we
have
so
that
helps
me
determine
my
comments
and
feelings.
If
we're
not
getting
many
folks
applying,
then
then
this
is
what
we
have.
If
we've
got
a
large
plethora
of
folks,
councilman
Sheed,
then
I
can
see
your
point
so
I
guess
I
would
like
to
know.
T
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
I,
just
want
to
first
speak
to
Stephanie
Tillerson
I
mean
I
just
happen
to
know:
Miss
Tillerson
she's
an
extremely
intelligent,
knowledgeable
person
when
it
comes
to
planning
and
zoning
and
the
different
functions
of
local
government-
and
you
know
these
are
quasi-judicial
boards
under
South
Carolina
law.
These
are
not
policy
making
boards
people's
feelings,
thoughts,
opinions,
preferences,
things
of
that
nature
are
way
down
the
list
in
terms
of
what's
relevant
when
it
comes
to
serving
on
quasi-judicial
boards.
T
What
you're
called
upon
to
do
on
a
quasi-judicial
board
is
apply
the
ordinances
we
adopt
to
specific
matters
that
come
before
the
board.
It's
it's
a
it's
a
job
that
requires
expertise.
It's
a
job
that
benefits
tremendously
from
having
professional
backgrounds.
That's
why
not
not
just
the
City
of
Charleston,
but
almost
every
jurisdiction.
I
work
in
across
the
state
has
similar
requirements
for
board
members
and
when
you
have
politicized
policy-driven
words
you
get
sued
and
then
we
get
in
trouble
and
it
has
to
come
to
us-
and
this
is
what
happens.
It's
happened.
T
It
happened
and
has
been
happening
in
the
town
of
Mount
Pleasant.
For
a
long
time,
they
have
recently
tightened
their
requirements
to
get
on
their
boards
and
they
have
been
staying
relatively
out
of
trouble
of
of
of
late,
and
so
I
just
want
to
offer
that
opinion.
These
are
not
policy
making
boards.
These
are
quasi-judicial
boards.
I
share
a
lot
of
the
same
concerns.
Councilman
Sacrament
has
about
what
we're
telling
these
boards
to
do.
T
That's
our
job
and
decision,
but
once
those
boards
are
in
panel,
it's
a
very
narrow
role
that
they're
supposed
to
play
and
they
get
into
trouble
when
they
stray
up
stray
outside
of
that
those
parameters
and
the
more
professional,
the
more
expertise
we
have
to
bear
the
better
these
boards
are,
you
know:
I
had
the
privilege
of
serving
on
the
bza
for
years
with
Lenny
krawcheck
Who
was
appointed
by
mayor
gillyard.
To
tell
you
how
long
he
was
on
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
He
was
a
zoning
and
real
estate
attorney.
T
D
You
Mr
Mayor,
yes,
I
think
that
was
originally.
You
know
why
I
brought
it
up.
I
mean
we
have
one
two
three
four:
these
are
all
reappointments.
No
one
knew
we
did
have.
We
did
have
an
application
pool
of
three
additional
members
that
were
new
that
had
applied
I.
Think
to
not
take
those
into
consideration.
You
know
that's
where
I
draw.
The
issue
is
where
we
we're
sort
of
we're
appointing
them,
but
we're
also
taking
you
know
we
appoint
them
as
a
body,
but
the
mayor
is
placing
them
on
the
agendas.
D
The
appointments,
that's
really
where
I
take
issue
with
it
and
and
ultimately
I
was
hoping
to
have
more
of
a
discussion.
If
we
want
to
take
that
into
consideration
where
we
take
the
whole
entire
pool,
and
this
Council
decides
I
think
that's
a
clear
objective:
I,
don't
know
if
you
know
how
that's
not
how
it's
been
done
in
the
past,
but
and
again
I
just
go
back
to
geography,
that's
you
know
I,
and
let
me
say
that
everyone
that
is
volunteering
for
these
boards
I
mean.
Thank
you.
D
D
Z
An
answer
to
council
member
saccharin
is
really
not
an
answer,
because
I
think
it's
a
good
question
I
mean.
But
my
question
is
what
kind
of
Outreach
and
marketing
do
we
do
to
attract
folks
to
participate
on
any
of
these
boards,
because
I
do
think
that
that
goes
to
councilman
council
member
Parker's
issue
in
terms
of
trying
to
make
sure
that
there
is
diversity
and
by
marketing
and
Outreach
I'm
talking
about
city-wide,
which
would
potentially
address
some
of
the
issues
that
and
concerns
that
councilmember
Parker
is
articulating.
Z
So
my
question,
Mr
Mayor
is
what
kind
and
again
this
is
old.
We've
been
here
before.
We've
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
quite
some
time
and
I
think
that
there
was
a
list
of
something
there
that
you
guys
had
developed
that
you
sent
forward
for
folks
to
look
at
in
terms
of
who
might
have
applied.
Z
A
Z
Z
B
Z
Z
You
can
feel
called
me
account.
You
can
call
me
deadly,
it
won't
matter,
but
I
just
don't
know
quite
how
you
get
there
when
we're
talking
about
volunteers,
because
if
they
don't
volunteer
with
the
city
to
do
is
the
other
side,
the
coin.
But
if
we've
not
done
the
kind
of
Outreach
to
attract,
then
perhaps
you
will
never
get
the
best
in
the
Bible.
Even
because
we
haven't
done
the
marketing
and
I
know
we
won't
get
the
geographical
diversity
that
councilmember
Parker
is
talking
about
without
some
kind
of
marketing.
AA
AA
However,
the
ordinance
is
specific
to
provide
for
these
citizenship
seats
and
the
purpose
of
those
citizens.
She
teach
are
to
provide
for
diversity
of
thought
and
idea.
Several
of
us
right,
the
three
of
us
right
here,
including
council
member,
seeking,
are
very
used
to
jury
trials
and
then
jury
trials.
AA
We
select
by
the
plaintiff
to
defendant
estate
the
prosecution
in
the
past
12
people
who
said
on
a
jury
to
make
a
decision
to
vote
on
a
decision.
Those
folks
if
it's
a
issue
on
construction
law
are
not
12
people
who
are
versed
in
construction,
material
or
Contracting,
and
things
of
that
nature.
It
was
a
medical
malpractice
case,
you
don't
put
12
doctors
or
nurses
or
medical
technicians
on
there.
You
put
citizens
on
the
on
that
jury.
AA
AA
But
the
the
strength
of
these
boards
provides
for
the
ability
to
have
diversity
on
there
and
not
be
a
professional
as
an
architect
or
a
planner,
or
an
engineer
and
I've
asked
for
this
several
times
and
I.
Don't
know
the
answer
to
your
question:
councilmember
Sacrament,
because
I
don't
know
how
these
things
are.
Advertised
I
certainly
did
not
know,
or
was
aware
that
there
were
two
open
seats
coming
up
or
two
reappointments
and
again
on
one
of
the
other
side.
Stephanie
and
Ben
are
wonderful
people.
They
do
a
great
job.
AA
I
mean
they
really
do
a
wonderful
job
and
my
hat's
off
to
all
these
folks
who
participate
in
these
boards
behind
me
is
Donna
Jacobs
who
served
on
the
zombie
review
board,
announced
on
the
planet
thing
and
there's
several
people
well
they're
going
down.
But
there
are
several
people
here
who
serve
in
the
West
Asheville
revitalization
commission.
That
commission
was
designed
intentionally
to
have
diversity
of
geographic
diversity.
Councilmember
Parker
has
other
parts
of
folks
who
participate
in
that
Commission.
AA
Now,
if
we
could
continue
to
put
on
these
citizen
seats,
citizen
seats,
people
who
would
not
necessarily
verse
in
architect
or
planning
or
engineering
or
things
of
that
nature,
we're
hurting
ourselves
by
creating
a
board.
That's
not
looking
at
it
from
the
different
perspective
and
that's
what
I'm
asking
that
we
do.
AA
It
is
critically
important
that
these
boards
have
a
variety
of
folks
who
come
with
different
walks
of
life
to
sit
on
them,
so
I
would
ask
either
we
defer
those
two
appointments
and
we
look
forward
and
maybe
recruit
folks
who
will
fit
that
bill
who
are
not
Engineers
or
Architects
or
planners
to
sit
on
those
boards,
because
what
has
happened
from
time
to
time.
Sometimes
those
boards
are
not
interpreting
policy,
the
dictating
policy
and
I've
seen
that
happen
on
numerous
occasions
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
Overlay.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
just
for
time
you
know
management.
Maybe
we
would
it
be
a
consideration
that
we
just
discussed
the
ordinance
and
committee
I
mean
maybe
the
it's
something
regarding
the
drb
ordinance
that
we
need
to
revisit
talking
about
geography.
Talking
about
you
know,
I
think
there
are
simple
steps.
We
can
take
to
advertise
that
thanks
to
Wes
rattery
in
our
I.T
division,
again
I'll
shout
out
these
complete,
updated
our
boards
and
commissions
website.
It's
supposed
to
be
live.
A
Councilman
wearing,
if,
if
I
may
I
think
our
director
of
the
planning
department
is
online
he's
not
here
in
person
and
just
based
on
the
comments
this
this
board
is
under
the
purview
of
the
planning
department.
I'd
just
like
to
see
if
Mr
Summerfield
has
any
remarks
to
make,
maybe
maybe
he
does
maybe
you've
done
Robert.
BB
Yes,
Mr
Mayor
I
apologize,
the
zoom
is
not
letting
me
turn
my
camera
on,
but
yes,
my
apologies
for
not
being
there
in
person.
So
a
couple
things
I
just
wanted
to
clarify.
So
to
the
the
question
from
councilman
shade
regarding
Mr
Whitner
Whitener,
he
is
in
a
citizen
seat.
He
happens
to
be
an
architect,
so
it's
not
that
he
is
and
holding
an
Architects.
He
he
is
holding
a
citizen
seat.
BB
Additionally,
the
the
question
that
councilman
sachron
asks
with
regard
to
the
number
of
people
that
we
had
councilwoman
Parker
had
it
right
on.
We
did
not
have
very
many
people
apply
for
seats
on
either
of
these
two
boards
in
this
past
year
and
because
we
did
have
folks
that
asked
to
be
reappointed
generally.
Unless
we've
had
an
issue,
that's
been
brought
to
our
attention
with
the
board
member.
BB
If
they
asked
be
reappointed,
we
generally
put
them
back
up
for
reappointment
so
and
that
that's
just
customary
practice
for
any
kind
of
Citizen
board
like
this.
Unless
there
is
a
term
limit
associated
with
with
that
seat,
we
do
have
a
couple
different
things:
we're
in
the
works,
as
you
all
will
recall.
I
did
present
to
the
CD
committee
and
to
The
Harp
just
a
couple
months
ago
on
this
very
issue
and
we'll
have
some
updates
coming
forward
to
CD
committee
that
we
would
like
to
make
to
the
ordinance
councilman
Parker.
BB
BB
These
were
sent
out
in
February
in
November
of
last
year
and
as
far
as
marketing
goes,
we
do
solicit
from
every
member
of
council
as
well
as
different
Civic
organizations.
If
they
have
anybody
interested
or
their
membership.
That
may
be
interested
in
participating
on
any
of
our
boards
to
please
ask
them
to
participate.
U
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
I
hear
Council
lady
Parker
on
that
one
two
I
think
these
people
are
already
serving
I
mean,
so
does
that
mean
if
we
prefer
this
two
weeks
and
when
people
want
to
have
around
the
table
additional
input
with
nominations?
That
would
be
fine,
but
the
big
thing
with
I'm
not
making
that
motion
I
just
threw
that
out
for
discussion.
The
second
thing
is,
we
do
need
to
look
at
the
drb
ordinance.
U
U
We
have
three
hotels
over
100
million
dollars
worth
of
development
taking
place
in
that
same
block
between
Sam
Rittenberg,
Orleans,
Road,
Savannah,
highway
and
Dupont
Road,
two
of
which
are
in
the
county.
The
primary
reason
they're
not
coming
in
the
cap
in
the
City
of
Charleston,
is
because
of
the
way
they
look
at
it.
The
extra
rules,
if
you
will
of
the
drb
now
those
are
in
the
district
I,
represent
it's
an
unincorporated
area.
U
The
City
of
Charleston
is
gonna,
have
to
put
up
with
whatever
inconveniencies
come
on
additional
volumes
with
that
and
when
the
there's
a
place
for
the
drb
West
Ashley,
don't
get
me
wrong.
You
get
up
around
the
Ashley,
River
District
and
burns
down
and
Moylan,
and
all
of
that
South
Windham
man
I,
am
with
you,
but
when
you
get
down
17
South
to
Dupont
Road
and
heading
further
towards
Clemson
experimental
station
I've
challenged
everybody.
Take
that
ride.
U
Tell
me
the
historic
properties
that
need
to
be
preserved,
because
some
would
like
to
preserve
Citadel
them
all
I
disagree
with
it.
Well,
you
laugh,
but
it's
coming
up
on
50
years
old
and
if
that's
going
to
be
the
criteria,
we're
going
to
be
stuck
with
you're,
not
going
to
be
able
to
tear
that
down
and
come
up
with
a
new
open
concept.
So
we
do
need
to
look
at
the
design,
the
RB
and
the
light.
U
If
we're
going
to
Revitalize
and
take
full
advantage
of
this
Tif
that
we're
going
to
be
talking
quite
a
bit
about
in
a
few
minutes,
the
transmission
shop
that
was
bought
by
an
Amish
store
I
think
it
was.
A
transmission
shop
been
totally
renovated
to
the
new
Furniture
Store.
Actually,
they
left
Ashley
Landing
and
bought
well,
at
least
in
a
place.
I,
don't
know
if
they
bought
it
or
whether
they're
leasing
but
they're
building
their
in
totally
renovated,
but
it's
in
the
county.
U
U
A
Well,
I
would
respectfully
ask
that
we
just
take
these
appointments
one
at
a
time
since
that's
been
some
discussion
about
the
individuals
and
call
the
question
on
each
appointment.
If
without
objection
can
I
have
a
motion
that
we
accept
Ashley
jackroll
to
be
reappointed
in
a
second
yeah
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
next
can
I
entertain
a
motion.
We
appoint
Aaron
Stevens
any
discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
A
Have
it
next
Miss
Stephanie
Tillerson
in
the
second,
any
any
further
discussion,
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it
and,
lastly,
Mr
whitener,
like
any
discussion
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
any
oppose
the
eyes.
Have
it?
Oh.
Thank
you
for
that
concurrence.
We
will
look
at
our
drb
regulations
and
I
I'll
just
share
when
we
do
that.
This
might
be
an
example
if
y'all
want
to
consider
putting
term
limits
on
any
of
our
boards
and
commissions.
So
that's
that's
within
our
authority
to
do.
A
D
A
BC
You
Mr
Mayor
members
Council.
Just
briefly,
there
was
a
city's
Resort
sustainability
advisory
committee
met
on
June
1st
strong
participation
from
all
the
members.
It
was
a
very
good
discussion.
I
provided
two
quick
updates
to
the
to
the
committee
members
and
one
is
on
the
comprehensive,
integrated
water
plan.
That's
on
our
development.
The
team
has
completed
about
60
or
65
percent
of
its
work
on.
BC
We
still
intend,
by
end
of
September,
to
report
a
drop
into
city,
council
and
City
staff
and
then
on
by
the
end
of
the
year,
beginning
of
next
year,
a
final
recommendation
final
plan.
There
is
a
city
staff
meeting
with
the
waterproof
team
scheduled
for
July
12th,
so
the
water
print
team
can
convey
to
them
the
direction
they're
going
some
recommendations,
policy,
infrastructure,
investment,
green
infrastructure,
land
use
all
those
things.
So
that's
that's!
It's
moving
along
nicely
any
questions.
I'm
happy
to
answer
those.
The
other
issue.
BC
I
briefed
the
committee
on
was
the
ongoing
and
expanding
heat
resilience
heat
health-
that's
going
on
in
the
city
who
you
may
recall
that
in
2019,
the
city's
all
hazards,
good
analysis
concluded
that
flooding,
earthquake
and
heat
were
the
primary
hazards.
We
had
a
manage
going
forward
and
Noah
tells
us
that
extreme
heat
days
are
going
to
increase
by
what's
going
to
Triple
over
the
next
hundred
years,
and
many
people
don't
realize
that
extreme
heat
is
the
leading
cause
of
death
from
natural
hazards.
BC
The
results
of
that
study
have
been
presented
to
this
to
the
committee
very
technical
information,
some
of
it
very
important
information
you
ought
to
understand
and
just
simply
in
a
matter
of
time,
I
will
forward
to
you
all
the
link
and
the
time
from
that
video
from
the
from
the
committee
meeting.
We
all
can
look
at
this
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
now
or
one-on-one
going
forward.
Thank
you
and
I.
Think
Katie
has
a
few
updates
too.
BD
Hello
good
evening,
mayor
and
members
of
city
council,
so
at
this
meeting,
I
also
gave
a
couple
of
sustainability
updates.
We
got
our
first
two
electric
vehicles
added
to
our
Fleet
this
spring,
so
that
was
pretty
exciting
and
we're.
We
announced
that
we're
going
to
start
working
on
our
Fleet
transition
plan
this
summer
with
the
Grant
from
the
federal
government
and
then
I
also
updated
everyone
in
our
compost
program.
BD
So
we
are,
we
have
had
a
lot
more
jurisdictions
joined,
we're
up
to
13
drop
sites,
and
our
goal
this
year
is
to
divert
150
tons
of
food
scraps
from
the
landfill.
So
looking
forward
to
that,
then
there
were
two
more
items,
so
we
I've
been
working
very
closely
with
our
livability
department.
We
are
drafting
a
sustainable
event
guide
where
we're
trying
to
help
encourage
all
the
events
that
are
held
in
the
city
to
be
to
be
more
mindful
of
their
environmental
footprint
and
social
equity
and
helping
to
support
our
local
businesses
and
communities.
BD
So
we
basically
created
a
a
an
optional
guide
where,
where
folks
can
kind
of
go
through
it
and
see
how
they
can
make
their
event
lesson?
Less
impactful
on
the
environment,
if
anyone
would
like
to
provide
input
on
that,
I
would
love
to
hear
your
thoughts
and
then
finally,
we
reviewed
and
discussed
the
another
draft
of
the
electric
vehicle
infrastructure
policy,
which
would
be
a
potential
zoning
Amendment
and
we
are
still
getting
feedback
from
the
development
Community
to
improve
that.
BD
A
A
Any
questions
regarding
that
move
to
approval.
We
have
a
motion
to
approve
in
a
second
any
questions.
All
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
pose
the
eyes.
Have
it
so
next
up
is
our
consideration
of
the
options
for
sumar.
Street
I
must
admit
we're
now
getting
on
the
three
hours
into
the
meeting
and
I
would
just
ask
if
it
would
be
the
convenience
of
council,
since
this
will
probably
you
know,
take
an
hour
or
so
maybe
that
would
take
a
little
five
minute
break
and
reconvene
to
start
off
fresh
with
this
matter.
A
All
right,
if
we
could
get
everybody
back
together,
that
would
be
great.
We
will
reconvene,
as
they
say,
foreign
wearing
and
there's
saccharine
and
wearing
come
on
in
all
right.
I'd
like
to
declare
us
back
into
order,
and
next
up
for
consideration
is
in
fact
a
consideration
of
three
options
for
the
sumar
street
Redevelopment.
This
matter
came
to
council
or
the
matter
to
move
forward
with
what
we
now
refer
to
as
option.
One
came
to
us
a
few
months
ago
and
after
much
discussion,
we
asked
our
our
partner
in
the
development.
A
BF
All
right,
thank
you
mayor,
yes,
I
am
Eric
Pullman,
the
West
Ashley
coordinator
for
City
of
Charleston,
as
it's
been
mentioned,
and
well
we're
going
to
go
through
the
three
different
options
tonight
for
you
guys.
This
is
something
that
was
presented
to
the
West
Ashley
area
on
June,
8th
in
a
two-part
meeting
from
five
to
six
in
order
to
accommodate
people
driving
Rush
Hour
just
having
an
open
gallery.
BF
So
those
who
arrived
early
could
walk
around,
see
some
of
the
history
of
the
project
and
see
a
kind
of
a
teaser
of
the
three
options
themselves.
There
were
three
boards
that
had
just
the
site
plan
alone
on
them,
and
then
we
moved
over
into
the
Pearl
theater
afterwards
for
an
actual
presentation
from
six
to
seven.
That
was
myself
and
our
development
team
of
landmark
in
leolio.
BF
So
we
had
a
brief
introduction
by
mayor.
Tecklenburg
went
over
the
project
program,
the
Alternatives
and
then
kind
of
how
we
would
fund
it.
We
also
did
the
interactive
polling
using
QR
codes,
and
one
of
the
first
things
I
wanted
to
go
over
with
the
public
at
this
was
to
make
sure
that
we
were
still
achieving
what
they
wanted
to
see
happen
on
this
location.
BF
All
the
way
back,
June
29
2018,
is
when
we
started
this
process.
This
is
when
we
first
started
to
ask
the
public.
Okay,
we
purchased
this
property,
we
saved
it
just
as
you
asked
us
to
from
a
gas
station
now.
What
would
you
like
to
actually
see
happen
here
and
so
over
the
course
of
31
days,
927
residents
responded
to
the
survey
from
that
it
broke
down
into
these
different
categories.
These
were
the
categories
that
were
on
the
survey
asking.
What
would
you
like
to
see
there?
BF
We
had
everything
from
large
format,
retail,
so
that
would
be.
You
know
your
large
box
stores
to
offices,
gas
stations,
Civic
uses
cultural
uses.
What
came
out
on
the
top,
though,
of
all
this
was
passive,
Green,
Space,
small
scale,
retail
restaurants
and
then
tied
for
fourth
place
was
cultural,
cultural,
location
and
Active
Green
Space
location-
and
this
really
was
also
echoing
back
to
what
we
heard
during
plan.
BF
At
that
point
of
the
meeting,
I
asked
the
public
who
was
in
attendance.
Do
you
still
feel
like
these
are
the
correct
program
elements?
Are
these
the
correct
activities
to
take
place
on
this
site?
We
got
71
votes
out
of
the
130
that
were
there.
90
of
them
said
yes,
this
is
exactly
what
we
want
to
see
here.
Still
so
from
there.
We
went
into
the
Redevelopment
alternatives
we
wanted
to
reiterate.
This
is
kind
of
our
ideal
board
that
we
came
up
with.
BF
As
well
as
that
internal
assembly
room
and
for
for
size
comparison
when
we're
talking
about
that
assembly
room,
it's
a
little
hard
to
see
on
these
slides,
but
it
it
quotes
it
at
about
514
person
occupancy.
That
would
be
standing
occupancy
if
it
was
to
be
more
about
a
seated
presentation.
The
way
we're
doing
this
tonight,
that
would
be
roughly
250
people
could
be
fit
in
there
comfortably
a
little
bit
more
with
standing
room.
Only
here's
the
massing.
BF
This
is
a
massing
that
was
run
through
the
West
Ashley
revitalization,
commission
again,
they
were
the
ones
who
said
we
want
to
see
the
commercial
activity
up
on
Sam
Rittenberg,
not
along
Old
Town,
and
we
also
want
to
be
Suburban
in
scale.
So
that
meant
having
two
and
three-story
Heights
at
the
maximum,
and
that
is
what
we
got
out
of
this.
BF
We
have
two
bookends
of
three-story
Heights
and
then
that
Ali
has
one
and
two
story,
and
then
the
Civic
Assembly
Building
comes
up
to
be
about
a
story
and
a
half
more
or
less
here's
what
the
view
from
Sam,
Rittenberg
and
Old
Town.
This
would
be
as
if
you
are
driving
onto
Old
Town
Road,
coming
in
from
the
Cosgrove
Bridge
area.
BF
What
you
see
is
the
city
office
building
on
the
right
side,
the
left
side
behind
the
palm
trees
would
be
your
assembly
space
and
then
all
that
area
right
there,
where
you
see
the
pond,
that's
actually
in
scdot
right
away
right
now,
but
our
plan
is
to
go
to
scdot
and
negotiate
to
secure
that
right.
Now,
it's
just
an
open,
green
kind
of
depressed
area.
BF
There
was
a
bunch
of
scrub
growth
in
it
for
a
long
time
that
we
cleared
out,
but
we
would
like
to
see
a
nice
Civic,
Civic
style,
water,
fountain
water
feature
come
in
here,
here's
Sam
Rittenberg,
looking
down,
and
so
with
this
one.
What
we
wanted
to
point
out
was
that
you
have
the
two
bookends
on
each
end
of
this.
BF
You
have
private
office
spaces
down
here
with
the
gray
cylinder
that
you
see
as
a
above
ground
water
cistern
as
part
of
Charleston
Rises,
which
was
a
requirement
that
we
put
on
this
site
to
to
comply
with
Charleston
Rises.
It's
our
own
Green
Building
initiative,
and
that
says
that
you
need
to
accommodate
storm
water
above
ground
below
ground
and
also
educate
the
populace
about
what's
happening
with
it
and
that's
part
of
that
and
then
in
the
middle.
There
would
be
restaurants
and
Retail
that
again,
that
would
kind
of
face
into
The
Pedestrian
alley.
BF
BF
Here's
the
entry
into
the
underground
parking
feature.
One
thing
that
we
heard
during
the
West
Ashley
commission
meetings
was
that
the
public
did
not
want
to
see
any
type
of
above
ground
parking
structure
they
felt
like
that
would
not
be
appropriate
in
this
location,
but
they
still
want
to
see
all
that
activity
on
site
that
would
generate
the
parking
need
for
it.
So
that
is
what
generated
the
concept
of
Going
Underground
and
then
researching
it
further.
BF
We
realized
that
we
could
apply
Dutch
dialogues
to
this
and
we
can
use
this
space,
which
would
take
up
approximately
two-thirds
of
the
underground
area.
We
could
use
that
as
emergency
water
storage
during
name
storm
events,
so
moving
forward
option
two
option
two
keeps
the
same
program
and
what
it
does
is.
Instead
of
having
the
parking
be
below
ground,
it's
now
in
a
vertical
parking
deck
that
would
be
on
site.
This
one
does
again
it
meets
all
the
criteria.
BF
However,
what
we
did
in
this
one
and
option
three
is
remove
the
city
office
component
and
focus
more
on
the
the
open
space
around
it
and
and
achieving
the
auditorium,
as
well
as
retaining
some
open
conference
rooms.
So
that
way
we
can
host
meetings
out
in
West
Ashley.
If
you
ever
do
any
type
of
development
work
or
community
outreach
work
with
the
city.
You
know
that,
in
order
to
meet
with
someone,
you
typically
have
to
come
down
to
two
George
Street.
BF
This
would
allow
us
to
actually
come
out
to
the
community
in
terms
of
City
staff.
In
addition,
those
conference
rooms
would
be
available
for
neighborhood
meetings,
Boy
Scout
meetings,
you
name
it
when
it
comes
to
the
parking
deck
we.
What
what
you
see
here
would
just
be
a
general
massing
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
style
of
the
deck
we
would
be
having
to
research
and
apply
Cosmetics
to
it
to
make
it
look
less
like
a
parking
deck
more
like
what
we
are
used
to
in
the
City
of
Charleston.
BF
We
probably
have
some
of
the
best
best
hidden
and
best
masked
parking
decks
in
the
area,
and
we
would
be
applying
that
out
here
as
well.
Here
would
be
that
same
view
on
Sam,
Rittenberg
and
Old
Town
intersection.
You
can
see
now
that
on
the
right
side
would
just
be
a
one-story
building
that
would
still
contain
the
conference
room
area
and
then
on
the
left
side
would
be
your
City
Auditorium
in
the
middle,
an
open
Breezeway
instead
of
an
enclosed
Breezeway,
since
there's
no
longer
a
need
to
have
vertical
movement
with
the
elevators.
BF
This
would
be
a
look
into
the
open,
Green
Space
that
we
have
retaining
very
similar
on
the
right
side.
The
the
architecture
and
features
that
were
on
option
one-
the
difference
now
would
be
actually
having
some
buildings
to
again
screen
that
parking
deck
from
inside
the
green
space
and
help
it
feel
more
enclosed
and
more
of
a
urbanized
area
and
then
option
three
was
generated.
BF
Option
three
looks
at
surface
parking
only,
so
this
would
be
your
standard
development
pattern
and
what
happens
with
this
one
is
in
order
to
accommodate
all
the
surface
parking
that
would
be
necessary
for
any
activity
on
this
site.
We
end
up
essentially
rebuilding
right
on
the
footprint
of
the
former
Piggly
Wiggly,
and
it
has
to
be
one-story
structures.
That's
all
that
this
this
site
could
accommodate
in
terms
of
surface
level
parking.
BF
BF
The
biggest
difference
is
that
we
actually
lose
the
city
offices,
so
we're
down
about
7,
600
square
feet
and
then
in
option,
and
then
the
the
big
one
is
the
difference
between
option
one
and
option
three,
and
on
that
one,
you
can
see
across
the
board.
We
have
dramatic
square
foot
reduction,
elimination
of
the
private
offices,
we're
now
down
to
very
minimal
in
terms
of
restaurant
nine
thousand
square
feet
for
restaurant.
BF
Most
of
it
is
the
Civic
conference
and
assembly
space
and
then
1400
for
a
a
coffee
shop
so
again
breaking
down
the
numbers
just
more
generally
option.
One
has
244
spaces
above
and
below
ground
combined
option
two
gets
253
spaces
in
the
deck
and
then
option
three.
The
most
that
this
site
could
hold
was
still
being
active,
would
be
152
vehicles.
BF
AA
A
A
BA
So,
under
the
current
terms
of
the
mou,
if
option
one
is
chosen,
I
would
be
back
in
front
of
you.
Probably
the
next
council
meeting
with
a
development
agreement
and
Elise
option
agreement
I
mean
we
would
move
forward
under
the
terms
of
the
mou.
If
we
opt
for
option
two
or
three,
we
would
likely
be
terminating
this
mou.
However,
Landmark
has
agreed
to
fold
that
money
that
we
would
owe
which
is
600,
.
BA
A
So
so,
just
to
set
the
tone
I
would
say
that
what
we're
doing
tonight
is
is
setting
the
direction
for
for
which
which
option
we
would
like
to
proceed
with
in
each
case,
we'll
have
to
come
back
to
council
at
the
next
meeting,
with
a
revised
memorandum
of
agreement
with
trade
landmark
and
a
development
agreement
specifically
to
move
forward
with
any
one
of
the
three
options.
But
what
we're
doing
what
council
asks
us
to
give
you
some
options?
P
D
A
Surely
at
the
next
meeting,
if
it's
option
one,
because
so
much
is
already
so
to
speak
in
place
with
the
other
options,
it
may
take
us
a
little
longer
because
we're
we're
kind
of
setting
the
clock
back
option.
One
I
don't
know
if
he
mentioned,
has
drb
approval
already
TRC
approval
it's
much
closer
to
being
able
to
to
go
under
construction
and
to
get
a
building
permit
and
and
on
two
and
three.
A
BG
W
AC
Okay,
so
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
clear
on
this.
We
only
had
two
answers
where
more
than
50
percent
of
the
people
desired,
something
in
this
survey,
one
being
small
scale,
retail,
the
other
being
passive
Green
Space.
Now
we
have
restaurants
that
are
pretty
close
at
49,
so
so
I
could
I
could
give
you
that
when
we
look
at
Office
Space
nine
percent
of
the
surveyed
people
said
they
would
like
office
space
here.
AC
So
I
would
say
that
91
of
the
people
that
surveyed
did
not
want
office
space.
Here
now
we
can
even
go
to
Civic
space
and
say
22
percent
of
people
surveyed
wanted
a
Civic
space,
so
the
reverse
of
that
is
88
of
the
people.
Surveyed
did
not
indicate
I'm,
sorry
78,
my
math
bad
sorry
78
did
not
want
the
the
Civic
space
there.
AC
You
know
and
I
guess
what
sticks
out
to
me
is
more
people
said:
they'd
rather
have
a
gas
station
and
have
office
space
here
you
know
when
I
looked
at
that
when
it
was
presented
at
the
real
estate
committee
meeting
I
said:
why
are
we
presenting
office
space?
If
people
don't
want
Office
Space,
because
clearly
over
90
percent
of
people
surveyed
do
not
want
that
now
we
also
had
the
meeting
at
the
Pearl
theater,
and
you
said
it
seats,
135,
I,
believe
more
or
less
yes,
sir,
so
standing
remotely.
AC
AC
Not
only
phone
calls,
I
went
Saturday
and
to
Charlestown
land
and
where
council
member
shade
had
a
public
meeting
Eric
you
were
there,
but
afterward
I
was
outside
and
I
had.
Four
ladies,
come
up
to
me
and
say:
I
didn't
get
to
vote
in
that
I
didn't
understand
what
they
were
doing
and
I
didn't
understand
the
vote
so
and
all
four
of
those
indicated
that
they
would
not
have
voted
for
option
one.
AC
AC
AC
BC
AC
For
the
whole
thing,
yeah,
the
the
parking
garage
portion
I
believe
we
heard
somewhere
was
23
million
dollars.
Is
that
correct?
You
know
so
we're
going
to
bond
this
out
and
we're
going
to
pay
this
over
years
and
years
and
years
and
years
and
years
and
listen.
We
need
to
spend
45
46
million
dollars
in
in
re-investing
in
West
Ashley,
but
underground
parking
garage.
If
it's
not
an
overwhelming
amount
of
people
that
want
that
and
we
don't
need
to
spend
the
additional
23
million
dollars
or
the
total
of
45
I
think
Jason
actually
said.
AC
AC
When
not
everybody
wants
that
and
we
could
take
it
I
believe
if
we
had
46
million
dollars
given
to
this
city
council
today,
I,
don't
think
that
we
said
you
can
use
that
46
million
dollars.
However,
you
want
the
revitalized
West
Ashley.
These
three
plans
would
not
be
the
plan
that
are
on
there,
but
that's
what
we
have
is
46
million
dollars
on
this
option,
one!
AC
It's
it
it
it's
a
it's
a
big
cost
and
I'm
saying
West
Ashley's
worth
it.
We
need
to
spend
that
much
money,
but
not
on
this.
Now
I
did
want
to
ask
Jason
I
think
he
said
in
the
real
estate
committee
meeting
that
it
was
going
to
take
a
lot
longer
to
build
this
underground
parking
garage
than
it
would
these
other
things
now
I'm
hearing?
Okay,
we
got
to
go
back
through
drb
and
things
like
that,
but
I
from
my
understanding.
AC
BH
Yes,
council,
member
shealy,
that
is
a
correct
statement.
I
don't
have
the
actual
days
and
or
weeks,
but
based
on
the
city
process
that
we
go,
we've
gone
through
already
on
option.
One
I
can
promise
you
it
would
be
shorter
than
that
in
the
in
the
savings
of
time.
So
we
would
still
be
well
ahead
of
performing
on
the
other
options,
two
or
three,
but
you're
right
in
a
sense
that
building
an
underground
garage
versus
Paving
asphalt
on
the
top
of
you
know
the
site
is
a
is
a
shorter
duration.
AC
BH
BH
All
of
that
you
know
I'll,
say
research
and
due
diligence
has
been
done.
So
it'll
be
a
little
bit
of
a
faster
track
from
a
standpoint
of
getting
a
surveyor
out
there
or
having
a
geotechnical
engineer.
You
know,
you
know,
board
the
site
and
give
us
that
geotechnical
data
so
that
we
can
design
the
structure.
BH
You
know
we
will
have
those
savings,
but
you
know
just
hopefully
I'm
answering
this
right,
but
we
will
be
back
at
the
starting
line
if
we
were
to
go
with
options,
two
or
three,
you
know
the
city
process
in
itself.
We
don't
have
there's
no
real
good
way
to
modify
our
plan.
To
that
extent,
without
going
back
to
the
starting
line.
Okay,.
E
A
You
would
assume
that
there's
some
place
to
have
that
cultural
event.
You
know
which
would
be
our
our
Civic
space,
so
I
mean
some.
Some
of
these
are
a
little
interpretive,
including
I,
think
the
office
space,
but
we'll
come
back
to
that,
I'm
sure
who
councilmember
parker
and
then
council,
member
lapel.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
just
quickly
on
the
underground
parking.
Obviously
you
know
again
I'm
not
an
engineer,
but
my
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
we
could
building
this.
You
know
sustainability
wise.
What
is
what
is
the
storm
water
impact?
I
mean
we
just
saw
in
ways
and
means
we
were
approving
millions
of
dollars
for
our
pump
stations
and
things
like
that.
A
D
A
A
BH
Think
I
understand
your
question,
so
our
approach
to
construction
on
this
process.
We
we
Define
them
as
a
gmax,
a
GMP,
so
it's
a
guaranteed
maximum
price
by
our
contractor,
which
means
that
they
are
taking
the
downside
risk
for
any
cost
that
may
be
incurred
for
delivering
the
project
above
and
beyond.
What
is
in
the
plans,
so
we
can
hold
them
accountable
to
that.
It
will
also
be
bonded.
BH
So
therefore,
there's
a
completion
guarantee
and
all
those
other
things
now.
There's
always
you
know
some
risk
of
something
not
being
on
the
plans
or
something
that
you
know.
I
mean
I'm
just
being
brutally
honest,
but
it
may
be
a
Hardscape
feature.
It
may
be
something
else
that
we
want
to
improve
along
the
way.
Obviously
they
would
not
be
on
the
hook
for
that.
If
it's
not,
you
know
on
the
plans,
but
that's
how
the
city
is
completely
insulated
and
protected
from
cost
increases,
cost
Rises
or
cost
to
overruns.
T
E
T
T
T
We
heard
a
minute
ago
about
Avondale
and
how
wonderful
Avondale
is
I'm
fortunate
to
have
Avondale
over
in
District
11,
at
least
half
of
it,
and
it's
a
wonderful
place
and
it's
one
of
the
main
reasons
why
neighborhoods
like
Avondale
burns
down,
South
Windermere
et
cetera,
are
so
are
so
popular
and
and
thriving,
and
so
we're
trying
to
create
that
throughout
West
Ashley
has
been
discussed
earlier
and
you
know
a
real
world
analogy
to
what's
this
project
is
option.
One
in
my
mind
is
the
workshop
downtown
on
Upper
King
Street.
T
Now
the
workshop
is
no
longer
in
business,
but
the
operation
is
still
very
much
alive.
You've
got
Juan,
Luis,
you've
got
Edmond
zos
and
you've
got
this
Green
Space
out
there
and
if
you
go
there
on
the
weekends,
you'll
see
families
and
and
and
people
having
a
great
time
being
outside
it's
a
community,
Gathering,
Place
and
I
think
that
option
one
facilitates
that
Vision
in
a
first
class
manner
over
in
West
Ashley
and
before
getting
into
some
comparisons
to
to
this
model.
T
Here
locally
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
we
do
as
a
state
in
the
state
of
South
Carolina.
We
are,
as
a
state,
have
long
embraced
a
policy
of
the
public
sector,
leaning
in
with
Partners
in
the
private
sector,
to
encourage
stimulate,
spark,
Economic,
Development
growth
and
things
of
that
nature.
There's
a
little
airplane
company
in
North,
Charleston
called
Boeing.
They
didn't
come
here
due
to
free
market
forces.
T
They
came
here
because
South
Carolina
wrote
them
a
check
in
conjunction
with
the
county
in
the
city
of
North,
Charleston
and
others,
or
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
in
public
subsidy
and
direct
tax
payments,
and
that's
great
Boeing
has
been
wonderful
for
this
area.
Just
this
year,
our
legislature
invested
one
and
a
half
billion
dollars
in
direct
state
government
handouts
to
scout
to
relocate
their
operations
in
the
Midlands.
I
can
promise
you
every
eye
is
not
dotted
and
every
T
is
not
crossed
in
that
deal.
T
The
electric
car
industry
may
never
work
and
get
off
the
ground,
but
the
legislature
in
Colombia
thought
that
it
was
worth
taking
that
risk
and
leaning
in
in
a
bold
and
aggressive
way.
For
the
future
of
South,
Carolina
and
its
economy,
so
there's
a
precedent
for
doing
this.
We're
talking
about
doing
something
very
similar
on
a
much
much
smaller
local
level.
Neither
the
Boeing
deal
or
the
Scout
project
are
what
the
pro
the
private
sector
sitting
alone
would
accomplish.
It's
just
not
the
way
it
is
looking
closer
to
home
City
of
Charleston.
T
You
cannot
throw
a
rock
downtown
without
hitting
a
successful
public-private
partnership,
and
we
can
point
to
the
Charleston
Place
we
can
talk
talked
about
the
gillyard.
We
can
talk
about
the
low
battery.
That's
really
not
a
public-private
partnership,
but
it's
a,
but
it's
a
significant
project
that
we've
invested
in
in
a
first-rate
manner.
The
Credit
One
Stadium
over
in
Daniel
Island
I,
was
in
the
first
class
at
Bishop
England
over
on
Daniel
Island
in
1998..
T
There
wasn't
a
whole
lot
going
on
battle
on
Daniel
Island,
but
mayor
Riley
had
the
vision
that,
when
the
Family
Circle
Cup,
if
that
was
what
it
was
called
back
in
the
90s,
they
wanted
to
move
from
Hilton
Head
mayor
Riley
had
the
vision
we're
going
to
build
a
tennis
center
on
Daniel
Island.
In
just
the
middle
of
the
woods,
in
the
hope
that
that,
among
a
lot
of
other
things
that
the
city
committed
to
and
leaned
into
would
spark
the
Redevelopment
of
Daniel
Island
and
bring
Daniel
Island
to
what
it
is
today.
T
The
city
and
its
Partners
contributed
15
million
dollars
back
in
the
late
90s
I,
don't
know
what
that
those
dollars
are
in
in
2023
numbers
but
I,
but
I
submit
it's
pretty
significant
and
a
Common
Thread
among
all
of
the
public-private
Partnerships.
The
City
of
Charleston
has
done
almost
all
of
which
have
been
downtown.
Is
that
they've
been
done
in
an
absolute
first
class
top-notch
manner
that
defies
pure
root
private
economic
forces?
T
Okay,
if
we
were
trying
to
do
the
low
battery
project
and
save
twenty
thousand
twenty
percent
several
millions
of
dollars,
we
could
have
probably
used
slightly
inferior
Stone.
We
could
have
skimped
on
some
features
here.
Skimmed
in
some
features
there,
but
that's
not
the
attitude
we
have
at
the
City
of
Charleston.
We
didn't
have
option
one
option,
two
option
three
for
the
low
battery
or
for
the
or
for
the
Gill
yard,
or
for
Charleston,
Place
or
I.
T
Can
promise
you
we
didn't
have
as
much
of
a
show
about
it
as
we've
had
over
Sue
Marsh
great
I
can
promise
you
that
and
the
point
of
it
is
I
support
and
and
think
every
single
one
of
those
public
private
Partnerships
I
just
mentioned
on
the
peninsula,
have
been
wonderful.
These
are
all
things
that
I've
either
supported
or
would
have
supported
if
I
was
on
council
at
the
time.
So,
let's,
let's
get
down
to
the
one
of
the
main
points
of
contention
over
option,
one,
the
cost,
23
million
dollars
for
an
underground
parking
garage.
T
It's
been
said
that
the
private
sector
would
never
do
such
a
thing.
It's
been
said
that
it
is
way
too
expensive
to
do
something
like
that
on
the
site.
I
am
going
to
bite
that
bullet.
It's
true,
the
private
sector
would
never
give
us
option
one.
We
know
what
the
private
sector
thinks
about
that
triangle.
They
think
about
it
as
a
gas
station,
and
it's
not
just
this
one
single
site.
What
is
typifying
Redevelopment
in
West
Ashley
these
days
car
washes
gas
stations.
T
Things
of
that
nature
for
us
to
bend
the
Arc
of
the
future
of
West
Ashley.
We
have
to
lean
into
West
Ashley
the
same
way
that
mayor
Riley,
leaned
in
the
Redevelopment
and
revisioning
of
Charleston
to
the
Charleston
Place
and
a
countless,
countless
other
examples.
We
have
to
be
bold
and
provide
because
without
boldness,
we're
going
to
continue
to
get
more
and
more
of
the
same
in
West
Ashley.
This
is
expensive,
but
it's
reasonable.
We
can
afford
it.
T
We
have
the
funds
to
do
it
and
it's
a
commitment
and
investment
not
in
the
only
into
the
future
of
West
Ashley
but
the
Tiff,
so
that
we
reinvest
and
move
forward
with
option
one.
We
get
some
Redevelopment
on
Ashley
Plaza
and
we
start
the
Domino's
rolling.
That's
the
vision,
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do.
T
Change
is
not
going
to
happen
on
its
own.
Is
our
predecessors
that
sat
in
this
in
these
seats
did
over
the
years
the
Charleston
Place
the
gillyard
and
countless
others
it's
time
for
West
Ashley.
Now
it's
time
for
West
Ashley's
time
in
the
Sun,
and
my
appeal
to
my
colleagues
is:
let's
not
apply
a
different
standard
to
West
Ashley.
Unfortunately,
that's
been
the
attitude.
T
That's
been
applied
to
West
Ashley,
my
whole
life
and
it's
time
to
change
that
we
can
send
a
strong
signal
not
only
to
our
constituents
but
the
entire
region
that
West
Ashley
is
serious
about
revitalization,
that
we're
putting
our
money
where
our
mouth
is,
that
we're
leaning
into
a
bold
plan
and
measure
for
the
future
of
West
Ashley.
So
this
is
the
plan
before
us
there's
a
lot
of
good
ideas
in
the
abstract,
but
this
is
the
plan
before
us.
Let's
get
it
done
tonight,
I
hope
we
can
have
everybody's
support
option.
T
Two
has
got
to
go
back
to
the
drb.
The
drb
might
deny
it
and
say
we
think
above
ground
parking
garages
are
ugly,
there's
no
guarantees
with
any
of
these
other
measures,
as
has
been
observed,
there's
no
guarantee
option.
Two
may
not
end
up
costing
more
than
option
one
by
the
time
we
go
through
The
Crucible
of
going
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
going
through
these
various
review
processes
as
well.
T
So
you
know,
we've
seen
what's
happened
with
projects
like
526
over
the
years
when
government
kicks
the
can
down
the
road,
all
that
happens
is
prices
go
up
and
things
get
more
and
more
complicated.
The
planning
has
been
done.
The
work
has
been
done.
The
community
outreach
has
been
done,
let's
get
it
done
tonight.
Thank
you.
Z
Z
I
think
that
the
way
we're
going
about
this
is
not
quite
the
way
I
would
recommend.
I
think
we
need
to
be
much
more
comprehensive
and
not
work
in
a
silo
and
I.
Think
that's
what
we're
doing
with
this
project.
I!
Don't
think
that
we
could
move
forward
without
having
extensive
discussions
with
Faison
with
who
Publix
both
Faison
okay,
it's
nonsensical
to
me
not
to
be
engaged
in
a
conversation
with
them,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
parking
as
I
told
folks
when
I
had
my
one-on-one.
Z
Z
AT
Z
Everybody
wants
a
Civic
Center,
that's
not
what
I
get
from
these
numbers,
not
the
way
I
analyze
the
numbers
and
mayor,
maybe
you're,
right
that
when
we
talk
about
mixed
uses,
perhaps
that's
included,
but
not
necessarily
at
all
so
I
think
we
need
to
be
much
more
comprehensive
and
attempting
to
do
something
world-class
west
of
the
Ashley,
because
they
deserve
nothing
less
I,
don't
feel
I
see
world
class.
Yet
mayor
and
Council
I
don't
see
it
I
mean
we
talk
about
Charleston
players
and
have
no
idea
how
that
happened.
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
And
the
remained
of
my
tenure
I'm
sure
I
won't
either
but
I'm
not
going
to
attack
any
of
you
as
a
result
of
that
I
think
West
Ashley
deserves
more
I'd
like
to
see
something
that
tells
me
what
is
the
highs
and
best
use
for
that
property?
I'm.
Not
seeing
that,
and
maybe
there
has
been
a
marketing
analysis,
I
haven't
seen
it.
Z
Z
Z
E
Z
I
understand,
but
we
all
are
supposed
to
be
recognized.
Okay,
absolutely
and
given
a
turn,
we
got
all
night.
Okay,
I
got
all
night
tonight,
two
men,
okay,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
in
terms
of
point
of
order:
okay,
technically
you're,
not
supposed
to
speak
again
until
every
one
of
us
had
an
opportunity,
that's
an
advantage!
That's
what
I
was
talking
about
a
little
earlier.
I
do
get
to
conduct
the
meeting
yeah.
A
Z
A
Z
E
E
AB
AB
AB
AB
And
I
got
moved
out
of
Daniel's
Island
and
moved
back
downtown
I
fought
with
the
people
in
Daniel's
Island
to
keep
it
there
with
two
and
a
half
units
per
acre.
The
Google
Sound
Foundation
I.
Had
lawyers
come
down
from
New
York
to
fight
me
to
stop
people
from
doing
it,
but
I
got
it
done.
It
was
a
journalist
sitting
in
that
first
seat
there
by
the
name
of
Bob
George,
who
work
100
with
me
to
keep
that
going
and
I
fought
that
area.
AB
They
bought
all
the
attorneys
from
New
York
to
fight
me
because
they
wanted
more.
They
wanted
five
and
six
units
per
acre.
I
said
not
on
my
watch:
I
fight
hard
for
communities.
You
come
in
the
City
of
Charleston
next
anybody
in
the
peninsula
so
to
speak.
Ask
anybody
how
a
council
member
by
when
I'm
out
here
one
or
two
o'clock
in
the
morning
I,
don't
see
my
colleagues
have
to
do
it
because
they're
not
out
in
the
in
the
community,
as
I
am
I'm
out
there.
So
I
know
what's
going
on
in
these
communities.
AB
AB
I
go
a
lot
of
different
cities
when
you
travel,
they
got
underground
parking,
but
they
don't
have
the
water
level
talk
what
a
level
problem
that
we
have
either
we
have
College
Grove
Avenue
there
when
you
come
across
called
cross,
Grove
Avenue,
the
bridge
there.
What
you
see
on
the
side
of
your
right
hand
left
water.
AB
We
talked
with
sea
level
rise
and
all
these
things
who
know
if
it
wasn't
going
to
rise
and
come
on
down,
come
on
down
the
San
Martin
Bridge
Boulevard
and
fill
up
your
underground
parking
garage
with
water.
We
don't
know
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
future.
You
got
to
look
at
a
vision
and
that's
why
I
spoke
about
having
the
Park
Garage
built
a
garage
build
and
a
lot
of
people.
Oh,
we
don't
want
the
garages.
Oh,
we
don't
want
this.
What
do
you
have
in
the
peninsula
parking
garages
all
over
the
place?
AB
Other
people
run
everybody
else
under
the
Community
who
cannot
afford
to
stay
here
as
we're
doing
already
and
I've
seen
it
every
day.
The
peninsula
we
are
fighting,
oh
West
Ashley.
Oh,
the
this
one
child
is
not
no
one's,
it's
not
no
West
Ashley
Charleston
and
the
peninsula
Charleston.
It's
the
City
of
Charleston
period
and
I
get
very
angry
and
I
keep
hearing
people
talking
about.
Oh,
we
don't
have
this
over
here.
We
don't
get
this
over
there
when
it
all
started
out.
Where
was
the
spinner
started
from
right
here
in
this
peninsula?
AB
This
was
all
about
it.
Charlestown
go
back
to
the
history
in
a
second,
and
this
place
was
annexed
into
it,
but
we
still
served
West
Ashley
a
whole
lot.
Let's
ask
to
get
some
things:
I'm
gonna
tell
you
West
Ashley
James
Alton
gets
some
things.
John's
Island
gets
some
things.
People
come
here
and
fight
and
say:
oh,
we
want
to
keep
John's
Island
rule
gone
's,
not
rule
anymore,
I.
Call
it
Urban.
AB
That's
why
they'll
keep
hearing
me
saying
my
family
go
back
350
years
on
John's
Island
I
mean
was
all
everything
was
dirt
when
I
used
to
play
over
there,
but
you
know
so
when
they
talk
with
City
of
Charleston.
A
lot
of
people
can't
tell
me
about
City
of
Charleston
I've,
been
here
all
up
and
down
these
streets.
AB
How
many
of
you
all
been
here
doing
that
you
know
anything
about
King
Street,
you
hear
it.
You
heard
it
by
King
Street,
so
history
changed
and
things
change,
but
we
got
to
make
sure
when
we
do
changes.
We
do
it
right
and
do
the
best
thing
we
can
and
making
these
changes
done
and
that's
for
everyone
who
live
in
the
city
of
Charleston,
not
a
few,
but
but
every
in
the
business
that
live
in
the
city
of
Charleston
and
I,
keep
telling
me
and
everyone
else.
AB
AB
So
we
are
looking
at
things
and
doing
things,
but
we
are
forgetting
beside
other
people
too.
We're
talking
all
about
yourself
and
I
got
a
problem
with
people.
That's
talking
about
self.
We
want
this
I
want
this,
it's
not
about
that!
We've
got
to
put
ours
together.
We
got
to
work
together
on
this.
This
is
for
everyone
who
lived
in
the
city
show
everyone
working
in
Harmony
and
peace
and
I
always
fight
for
Harmony
in
peace,
so
so
I
hope
we
would
come
together.
One
way,
the
other
and
find
a
solution.
AB
AB
I
was
right
here
sitting
right
here
in
the
same
seat
and
say:
what
are
we
going
to
do
with
the
site
when
the
city
purchases
it
I,
said
why
up
why
the
city
purchasing
that
anyway,
we
don't
know
we're
going
to
do
with
it
and
it
sat
there
all
these
years
and
then
now
in
a
few
months,
we
came
up
with
a
plan
and
all
right.
Rushing
on
through
we
talked
about
what's
going
on,
but
never
realized
never
came
to
realization
what
should
be
there
at
the
site.
What's
the
best?
AB
I've
been
flooding
myself
a
day
when
I've
been
going
to
school
here,
walking
through
the
water
going
to
school,
you
know,
so
the
peninsula
still
have
not
got
what
they
should
have
gotten
years
ago
in
the
20s.
Oh
20,
plus
years
since
I've,
been
here
on
sitting
on
Council
he's
still
fighting,
but
it
takes
money.
AB
We
have
the
news
and
the
state
level
we
talked
with
the
state
level.
They
don't
like
Charleston.
So
that's
why
we
get
the
little
bill
in
the
end,
but
we'll
go
to
Greenville,
Spartanburg
and
I
said
it.
Yes,
they
get
it
because
our
representation
that
we
have
they
don't
fight
like
they
said,
but
so
we
have
to
go
and
fight
with
them
to
make
sure
they
do
their
job.
AB
But
we
can
get
things
down
here
to
make
it
better
for
the
City
of
Charleston,
and
you
can
tell
them
you
can
tell
them
didn't,
know:
I,
don't
bite
my
time,
I
tell
them
myself
too,
and
they
know
I
do
so
people
we
need
to
be
together
and
look
for
the
best
and
don't
fight,
and
just
say
oh,
this
would
be
one
I
want
this
be
come
on.
This
is
the
best
thing
for
us
to
have
it's.
AB
J
Mr
Mayor
wait:
Where'd
I
go
from
here,
so
I
I
would
just
start
out
by
saying
I
think
the
hyperbole
associated
with
project
has
been
a
little
tough
to
take
both
by
the
poster
Courier
by
others
in
the
community.
It's
just
been
a
bit
much
Landmark,
you
know,
I
think
we
gave
you
an
impossible
task.
Go
take
all
the
stuff
on
that
graph,
build
63
000
square
feet
on
a
three
acre
site
and
figure
out
how
to
park
all
the
cars.
J
That's
not
something
that
we
would
ask
the
private
sector
to
do,
and
we
ask
you
to
do
it.
The
idea
that
government
can
come
in
and
spend
45
million
dollars
on
a
three
acre
site
and
transform
the
thousands
of
Acres
across
West,
Ashley
I.
Think
it's
a
bit
naive,
I,
don't
think
that's
going
to
be
an
effective
use
of
45
million
dollars.
That's
the!
If
the
goal
is
to
revitalize
all
of
West
Dash.
J
At
the
end
of
the
day,
we
have
a
fiduciary
duty
to
be
responsible
stewards
of
the
citizens,
money
in
this
city
and
I
understand.
There
are
different
ways
to
pay
for
this,
with
the
tiff
with
parking
funds,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
is
still
money
that
that
we
are
responsible
for
being
good
stewards
of
I
asked
the
folks
at
Landmark.
J
I've
tried
to
learn
as
much
as
I
could
about
this
project,
so
I
could
understand
the
numbers
and
and
here's
what
it
boils
down
to
the
building
that
the
city
would
own
potentially
will
cost
us
880
a
square
foot.
If
we
don't
include
parking,
if
we
include
parking
we're
over
Seventeen
hundred
dollars
per
square
foot,
the
buildings
that
we
would
that
would
be
have
commercial
tenants
will
be
408
dollars
per
square
foot,
388
dollars
per
square
foot
and
384
dollars
per
square
foot.
J
We
are
burdening
the
city's
portion
of
this
project
with
all
of
the
site
development
with
all
of
the
parking
costs,
so
that
we
can
subsidize
commercial
tenants
in
this
space
that
doesn't
make
sense.
We
should
not
be
subsidizing
a
Starbucks
or
a
brewery
or
restaurants
or
retail.
That's
not
the
job
of
city
government.
J
J
This
is
putting
all
of
our
eggs
in
one
very,
very,
very
small
basket.
The
idea
that
we
wouldn't
blink
an
eye,
If,
This,
Were,
downtown
I,
think
is
not
fair,
I.
Think
if
you
ask
me,
I
I
give
this
level
of
scrutiny
to
what
to
all
of
the
money
that
we
spend
in
this
city
or
at
least
I.
Try
to
this
is
a
big
big
dollar
item.
J
J
I've
got
another
question
and-
and
let's
we
can
get
to
this
later,
but
you
know
I
haven't
heard
whether
we
actually
need
city
office
space,
I
I
heard
we
need
a
Civic
Center,
but
do
we
need
city
office
space
in
this
building?
I,
don't
typically
I
would
think
that
we
would
do
a
study
to
determine
how
much
office
space
we
need
and
then
build
according
to
that
the
tennis
center.
You
know
we
brought
up
the
tennis
center
on
Daniel
Island.
That
was
a
bold
vision.
J
I,
don't
I
would
disagree
with
the
fact
that
that's
what
encouraged
the
development
on
Daniel
Island,
what
brought
the
development
on
Daniel
Island
was
when
the
port
decided
not
to
build
the
global
gateway.
That's
when
the
development
on
Daniel
Island
took
off,
but
look
what
happened
to
the
tennis
center.
J
The
tennis
center
was
falling
into
the
ground
if
it
were
not
for
Ben
Navarro,
a
billionaire
investing
his
own
money
in
that
Tennis
Center.
It
would
be
a
dilapidated
structure
right
now
and
it
would
have
no
use
for
it.
We
are
not
good
at
being
landlords,
in
my
opinion
and
I,
don't
think
we
should
start
another
project
where
we're
going
to
be
landlords
again.
J
BG
Thank
you
and
I
appreciate
everybody's
thoughts
on
this
and
I'll
add
a
few
more
a
little
bit
at
a
loss
at
how
we
all
sat
in
this
room.
Listen
to
public
comments
got
the
emails
that
we
got
got
the
written
comments
that
we
received
by
my
count
over
80
percent
in
favor
of
option,
one
we're
not
the
private
sector,
we're
government.
By
the
way
we
didn't
set
out
to
make
money
off
this
site.
We
set
out
to
deliver
something
that
our
constituents
asked
for
deserved.
BG
June
8th.
You
know
you
can.
You
can
complain
about
methodology,
and
maybe
it's
not
ideal.
I
was
in
that
room.
I
didn't
vote
because
I
didn't
want
to
put
my
thumb
on
the
scale.
So
it's
one
less
person
in
your
and
your
account
there
72
in
favor.
It's
not
close,
not
even
remotely
close,
that
you
know
we
can
ignore
that
we
can
and
we
can
go
back
to
the
drawing
board,
where
the
cost
of
doing
whatever
it
is
that
we
want
to
do
whatever
it
is.
BG
But
what
we're
not
going
to
do
is
is
say
that
we're
we
are
not
ignoring
West
Ashley
because
we
are-
and
we
should
just
be
comfortable
with
that
decision.
If
that's
what
we're
going
to
do,
and
we
should
go,
look
our
constituents
in
the
eyes
for
those
of
us
who
represent
folks
in
West,
Ashley
and
say
you
know
what
we
wanted
a
concrete
slab
there
for
longer,
because
we
didn't
really
engage
in
the
process
for
six
years
and
we're
surprised
by
what
we
got
and
now
we
want
a
new
plan
that
nobody
can
offer
specifics.
BG
BG
BG
BG
That
money
is
not
going
to
go
even
remotely
as
far
as
it
would.
If
we
just
make
a
decision
today,
if
we
commit
to
the
vision
that
our
citizens
have
asked
us
to
commit
to,
we
are
not
the
private
sector.
We
are
the
government.
We
have
a
responsibility
to
use
people's
taxpayer
dollars
in
ways
that
they
ask
us
to
use
we're
not
elected
to
dictate
things
to
them.
We're
not
elected
to
second
guess
what
the
vast
majority
of
our
citizens
are
telling
us
at
some
point.
We
just
have
to
listen.
BG
BA
BG
BG
BG
I
came
here
tonight
to
vote
for
option,
one
of
it
for
option.
Two:
we've
got
to
get
something
built
in
West,
Ashley
we've
got
to
deliver,
but
what
I'm
not
gonna
do
here
is
is
say
that
we
need
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
pretend
that
that's
really
what
our
Citizens
need.
What
our
Citizens
need
is
for
us
to
do
our
jobs.
D
Why
haven't
we
been
given
the
the
picture
with
the
Public's
lot
and
possibilities
there
as
far
as
just
the
private
sector,
doing
something
out
there
and
two?
You
know
I.
Think
I
asked
in
CD
committee
a
while
back.
You
know
if
we
were
to
just
sell
this
property.
I
know
that
was
something
that
was
brought
up.
You
know
that
it's
been
discussed,
but
something
that
I
don't
think
we've
discussed
enough
is
why
can't
we,
you
know
we're
the
owners
of
the
property.
Can
we
repackage
this
rezone
it
create
a
putt
I
mean.
Are
there?
D
Are
there
possibilities
like
that
to
where
all
of
us
at
this
table,
all
of
you
in
West
Ashley,
could
be
in
agreement
that
that
is
a
a
possible
way
to
you
know
come
to
a
conclusion
here,
where
everyone's
in
agreement
again?
Is
that
something
in
the
thought
of?
Is
it
something
you
want
to
discuss?
Is
it
something
the
city
planning
department
can
put
together
so
just
I
mean
I,
know
I'm
looking
at
you,
but.
D
Are
there
other
possibilities?
You
know
one,
not
just
being
us,
you
know
obviously
being
stewards
of
the
city's
tax
money,
but
also
that
the
in
full
transparency
that
people
of
West
Ashley
and
everybody
understands
that
45
million
can
be
used
for
something
else
in
West
Ashley.
If
we
can
somehow
repackage
this,
this
sumar
street
property
for
the
private
sector,
but
still
kind
of
engage,
you
know
get
all
all
that
we
want
out
of
it.
I
mean
the
the
facade
there's.
D
D
D
D
A
D
D
T
T
Doing
the
same
kind
of
thing
I
mean
this
is
really
good
information,
because
this
is
something
I've
heard
from
from
folks
and
council
member
Parker
raised
a
very
good
question:
why
doesn't
the
city
just
put
some
zoning
on
it?
Put
it
on
the
pro
put
it
on
the
market
and
and
sort
of
try
to
get
the
desired
outcome?
That
way,
it's
not
how
private
development,
Works,
no
private
developer
is
going
to
be
shoehorned
into
zoning
that
they
don't
want.
T
It's
it's
almost
unheard
of
for
the
government
to
put
a
put
in
place
on
property
and
then
sell
it
to
the
private
sector.
Private
sector
is
the
one
that's
going
to
want
to
move
forward
with
their
own
zoning,
their
own
plan,
so
there's
the
we
cannot
change
Market
forces
by
Fiat
through
regulation,
I'll
agree
with
my
conservative
friends
on
Council
about
that.
That's
just
not
how
private
development
works
and
things
of
that
nature.
The
market,
if
left
to
its
own
pure
devices,
is
going
to
produce
what
makes
Market
sense.
T
We've
got
one
test
case
for
this
site:
it's
been
a
gas
station.
There's
other
example.
The
Tiff
has
been
in
place
in
West
Ashley
for
years
the
Tiff
is
not
performing,
the
private
sector
is
not
performing
Citadel
mall
is
stagnant,
I
mean
we
need
the
shot
in
the
arms.
So
it's
a
great
question
Caroline,
but
the
way
the
city
ultimately
controls.
What
happens
on
this
site
is
through
a
public-private
partnership.
T
That's
the
only
way
we
get
things
like
a
Civic
Center
in
Green,
Space
and
fountains,
and
things
of
that
nature
because
to
council,
member
Gregory's
Point.
None
of
those
things
make
Market
sense.
You
want
to
know,
what's
not
highs
and
best
use.
We
don't
need
to
commission
a
study,
Green
Space,
fountains,
Civic
space
and
government
offices,
ain't
highest
and
best
use,
there's
no
way
Faison
or
any
other
Market
participant
would
do
that.
So.
T
T
V
A
AA
AA
AA
Then
we
had
some
heartburn
about
creating
hiring
a
company.
Do
a
study
that
came
up
with
playing
with
Ashley
into
the
astonishment
I
think
of
everybody
in
the
room
we
passed
that
plan
unanimously
and
plan
West
actually
became
or
supposed
to
become
the
blueprint
for
Revitalize
them
for
a
fashion,
and
some
of
it
has
been
very
good.
Some
of
it's
been
very
stagnant.
AA
AA
AA
AA
Please
don't
do
that,
because
you've
got
the
numbers
y'all
seen
what
happened
in
there
following
our
meeting
here
in
April
when
we
deferred
the
decision
on
what
to
do
with
the
initial
plan
of
West
Ashley,
it
was
very
loud
and
very
clear
that
this
Council
was
not
going
to
support
that
option
pretty
much.
What
we
have
today
in
option
number
one
and
the
Mandate
that
this
Council
gave
to
the
administration
to
go
forward
was
in
a
paraphrasing
councilman
mcgregory,
something
Grand,
something
spectacular,
something
big
so
option.
One
is
a
redo
of
the
the
original
option.
AA
AA
Together,
at
the
same
time,
at
the
vote
that
we
had
on
or
the
decision
to
defer
was
the
plans
going
forward
with
Ashley
Landing
and
with
the
Faison
folks
Now
remind
you
that
Faison
was
a
property
owner
that
had
the
Piggly
Wiggly
site
that
was
willing
to
put
a
20-pop
gas
station
in
there,
and
we
had
to
wrestle
that
property
from
from
Faison.
To
do
that.
AA
Please
just
do
something
over
here,
because
the
world
was
waiting
for
us
to
do
something
so
at
that
meeting
I
had
in
in
April
I've
had
about
150
people
show
up
in
onto
a
desk
this
nice
gentleman
who
came
to
the
last
meeting.
We
had
talked
about
this
fourth
option
and
I
said
at
that
time
and
I'll
say
it
again
that
option
one
was
dead
because
y'all
were
very
clear.
You
colleagues
were
very
clear
that
this
option
was
not
going
to
be
something
you
were
going
to
consider
in
in
past.
AA
You
didn't
have
the
votes
and
I
said
we
could
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
come
back
with
something.
So
we've
got
the
product
of
every
sort
of
a
revised
original
option,
one
and
then
an
option
two
with
a
garage
option.
Three
that
doesn't
make
any
sense
whatsoever,
which
is
not
really
much
of
any,
of
a
choice
that
we
have
councilwoman
wearing,
has
been
consistent
with
this
criticism
of
these.
These
plans-
I
came
in
with
the
initial,
but
sometimes
I
took
some
of
my
personal,
quite
personal.
AA
They
got
to
take
the
adjustable
word
and
he
and
I
were
together
yesterday
at
the
blessing
and
dedication
of
St
John's
Cemetery.
If
you
didn't
read
the
paper
the
day,
I
don't
want
to
go
over
the
details
with
you
about
that,
but
it
was
a
very
important
blessing
of
an
area
that
was
just
reflective
again
of
this
government's
sustain
for
minority
members
of
our
community.
AA
Even
in
death,
there's
no
dignity
there,
but
as
we
were
chatting,
I
asked
him.
I
said:
how
long
did
your
dad
sit
in
the
seat?
I
think
18
years
and
all
I
can
think
about
at
that
point.
Is
that
while
councilman
Waring
has
occupied
the
seat
for
three
terms
now
his
Collective
knowledge
of
West
Ashley,
so
I
would
suspect
councilman.
Did
you
say
that
your
dad's
footstool
the
talk
about
Wes
Ashley
and
put
30
years
Apollo
and
commutative
institutional
knowledge
about
this
community
yeah?
AA
AA
AA
AA
M
AD
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
The
city
has
yet
to
invest
into
something
of
a
magnitude
of
this
with
a
Civic
Center
that
would
enhance
this
community.
It
would
also
to
the
points
that
y'all
have
pointed
out.
Councilmember,
shealy
and
councilmember
Gregory
provide
for
that
green
space
that
we're
looking
at
and
to
provide
for
a
place
for
the
farmers
market.
In
West
Ashley
to
be
visible
and
be
active,
that's
another
option!
If
we
vote
down
option
one
I
don't
want
to
leave
this
chamber
tonight
with
nothing
on
the
table,
because
not
doing
anything,
quite
frankly,
is
not
an
option.
AA
Doing
nothing
and
voting
this
down
and
not
moving
forward
to
an
alternative
along
those
lines
which
I
just
spelled
out,
sends
a
very
clear
message
to
the
community
of
West
Ashley
into
the
City
of
Charleston
that
we're
we're
inactive.
This
is
a
very
clear
and
distinct
message
to
our
investors,
our
stakeholders
in
West,
Ashley
that
we're
paralyzed,
and
we
can't
do
anything
done.
AA
AA
Have
the
parking
on
site,
reducing
our
street,
provide
the
green
space
that
everybody's
talking
about
and
not
do
anything
that
precludes
our
opportunity
to
further
engage
a
conversation
with
Faison
as
they
proceed
on
how
they're
going
to
develop
Ashley,
Landon
and
I
think
that
would
come
to
a
very
Grand
idea
and
show
the
community
our
level
of
commitment
and
seriousness
to
developing
and
revitalizing
West
Ashley
right
I
spent
too
much
time,
but
I
appreciate
the
the
Indulgence
should
give
me
more
opportunity.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
L
M
M
Charleston
Place
I'm
sure
there
was
opposition
to
that.
I
can
give
you
one
great
example
that
I
was
intimately
involved
with
was
the
Ravenel
Bridge
I
was
a
director
for
a
non-profit
here,
working
with
students
and
and
the
original
plan
for
the
Ravenel
Bridge
to
not
have
a
bike
lane
pedestrian,
Lane
and
people
said
over
and
over
it's
going
to
cost
too
much
money
and
the
group
that
I
worked
with
as
long
as
environmental
groups
got
together
and
said.
This
is
a
vision
for
the
next
10
or
15
years.
M
We
understand
that
it's
going
to
cost
additional
money,
but
this
is
what
it
could
be
like
take
a
ride
over
the
bridge
any
day.
What
do
you
see?
I
think
our
role
is,
as
politicians
is
not
just
to
listen
to.
Our
constituents
is
to
also
think
about
what
our
constituents
are
not
aware
of,
and
not
on
the
horizon
about.
M
Sometimes
it's
predicting
things
and
making
tough
decisions
and
I'm
willing
to
have
that
conversation
with
my
constituent.
The
disagreement
disagrees
with
me
on
this
issue
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
not
about
today,
it's
about
five
years
from
now,
ten
years
from
now.
So
that's
what
I've
took
from
tonight's
conversation.
We
could
sit
here
and
debate
all
we
want
about
the
costs
and
it's
important.
M
So
I
I
think
people
are
dug
in
I'm,
not
sure
where
the
boat's
going
to
go,
but
I'm
certainly
supportive
of
option
one.
We
owe
it
to
the
folks
that
have
spent
six
seven
years
on
this
work
and
I.
Think
I
do
think.
It's
disingenuous
for
us
to
sit
here
and
second
guess
that
work
at
this
point,
because
a
lot
of
it
has
been
volunteer,
work,
countless
hours
of
volunteer
work
on
their
part
to
get
to
this.
To
this
evening
last
thing
I
do
want
to
mention
is.
M
That
when
we
talk
about
the
highest
and
best
use,
you
know,
that's
that's
a
that's
a
financial
question
right
and
I
would
argue
that
the
financial
and
best
use
for
a
lot
of
land
across
the
city
is
not
building
affordable
housing,
certainly
not,
but
we
step
in
as
a
government
entity
we
step
in
as
a
higher
moral.
We
step
in
when
we
see
that
that
market
forces
do
not
direct
us.
What
we
need
to
do-
and
this
is
where
I
see
this-
so
will
not
the
Tiff.
M
Well,
not
this
create
a
situation
where
the
Domino
will
fall.
We
made
it
clear.
We've
got
a
tip
right
now.
It
hasn't
done
a
damn
thing,
it's
time
for
us
to
step
in
and
help
Revitalize
West
Ashley,
and
this
might
not
be
perfect
and
I've
said
that
this
is
not
a
perfect
project,
but
in
the
absence
of
an
alternative
that
is
strong,
that
is
visionary.
What
are
we
doing?
M
Picking
the
can
down
the
road,
because
it's
an
election
year,
I'm
not
running
for
re-election,
so
I
can
say
this
tonight
with
full
transparency
and
I
could
say
this
tonight
with
with
a
full
heart.
It
seems
to
me
there's
a
lot
of
jockeying
going
on
in
this
room
or
political
favors
people
running
for
mayor,
not
running
for
mayor
I.
Don't
care
I'm,
not
running,
we
should
be
doing
what's
best
for
the
entire
city,
so
we
say
one
city
yeah.
M
M
We
should
do
what's
right
because
we
have
to
sometimes
think
about
the
future,
and
this
is
one
of
those
cases,
and
this
is
one
of
those
clearly
for
me,
it's
one
of
those
cases
where
I'm
ready
to
take
a
boat
vote
for
option
one
and
if
I,
have
to
talk
to
a
constituent
and
get
emailed
and
yelled
at
by
my
constituents.
I'm
fine
I'll,
take
it
because
I
have
a
firm
belief
that,
10
years
from
now
my
children
Johnson
bowden's
kid
who's
going
to
eventually
be
at
that
age.
Ross.
BJ
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BJ
I've
clearly
been
on
Council
and
councilmember,
Sacramento
I
am
running
pre-election
and
arguably
it
has
been
the
most
public
input
on
any
project.
In
recent
memory,
I
mean
I've
served
on
the
west
Ashley
revitalization
commission,
since
I
got
on
to
city
council
and
we've
talked
it
a
lot
there.
They've
had
we've
had
citizen
participation
there
to
talk
about
it.
BJ
We
even
had
pennison
about
their
plans
as
West
Ashley,
chairman
Jade
mentioned,
but
one
constant
has
held
out,
and
that
is
that
people
want
essentially
won
myself
included,
are
sick
of
looking
at
a
concrete
slab
for
the
past
six
years
and
two,
regardless
of
the
different
uses.
They
want
the
site
to
be
a
true
gateway
to
West
Ashley,
given
that
it
sits
at
the
junction
of
two
major
Transit
corridors.
BJ
BJ
BJ
And
you
know
what
it
may
be:
a
dirty
little
secret,
but
they're
not
running.
As
has
been
mentioned
tonight.
The
city
is
notably
invested
in
much
public
Money,
downtown
Daniel
Island,
all
around
and
most,
if
not
all
of
that
has
been
for
very
worthy
projects,
many
of
which
I
have
proudly
voted
for,
because
I
believe
that
Charleston
is
the
Crown
Jewel
of
the
southeast.
I
should
be
able
to
both
serve
its
residents
and
its
visitors.
BJ
The
public-private
partnership
that
is
proposed
for
option
one
option:
one
creates
the
first
significant
Civic
space
in
West
Ashley.
As
we've
noted,
it
allows
for
outdoor
concerts
and
Gatherings
and
starts
the
revitalization
of
an
aging
Corridor
filled
with
shopping
centers
that
maybe
in
the
70s
how
they
were
designed
with
parking
in
front
retail
on
the
back
in
the
70s.
It
made
sense,
but
it
no
longer
fits
in
with
modern,
smart
Suburban
design.
BJ
BJ
Because
of
that,
I
logically
get
asked
by
folks,
why
can't
city
council
come
to
a
consensus
and
invest
in
West
Ashley
or
the
majority
of
us
live?
It's
definitely
not
because
we
don't
want
to
serve
our
constituents.
I,
don't
I,
don't
believe
that,
and
it's
not
that
we
don't
want
a
beautiful
Gateway
near
the
point
that
the
city
was
actually
founded
in
1670.
I.
Don't
think
it's
that
if
that
were
the
case,
though
this
project
would
not
have
languished
in
development
purgatory
instead
and
I
would
like
councilmember
Sacrament
here.
BJ
The
answer
is
far
more
Sinister
and
I
think
far
more
cynical,
it's
politics
plain
and
simple.
You
see
I
think
the
calculus
might
go
something
like
this.
That
goes
into
dying
a
generational
investment.
There
are
some
members
around
the
table.
The
personal
disagreements
are
just
plain
dislike
for
the
mayor
and
in
a
functioning
democracy.
It
should
be
normal
to
question
authority.
It
should
be
normal
to
have
disagreements,
but
politics
should
stop
at
the
water's
edge,
and
that
is
unfortunately
not
what
has
been
happening
here.
BJ
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You
wasn't
on
Council,
but
they
wanted
to
come
and
practice
I.
Don't
think
you
were
practice
but
Carter
to
practice.
You
were
there
okay,
so
you
voted
for
it.
The
Carter
bus
drivers
to
practice
driving
street
right
turns
left,
turns
backing
up
again
a
utility
lot
that
was
approved
by
the
leadership
in
America,
and
you
you
talking
about
politics.
This
is
coming
down
to
the
council
members
that
mayor
techlinburg
helped
to
get
elected
and
the
ones
who
won
independent
of
the
mayor's
support.
That's
what
this
is
coming
down
to
tonight.
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But
when
I
read
in
the
paper
about
a
Splash
Mountain,
that's
not
world
class
I
want
better
for
Wes
Ashley
than
that.
The
problem
is
these.
People
have
been
shown
less
than,
and
that's
all
they've
seen
Councilman
Greg
spoke
about
facts,
not
politics,
the
financial
facts
of
the
matter,
and
that
went
right
over
all
your
head.
It
doesn't
matter,
it
is
a
wonderful
privilege
to
be
the
fiduciaries
over
other
people's
money.
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It's
been
a
campaign,
that's
the
election.
It's
been
a
campaign,
it's
not
been
fact-based
when
it
comes
to
those
costs
per
square
feet
that
Councilman
Greg
spoke
about
that
wasn't
part
of
the
presentation.
Miss
Wharton.
Would
you
come
to
the
microphone?
Every
time
has
come
to
the
finances
of
this
project.
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100,
like
that
plan
is
because
they
have
not
seen
the
next
best
thing.
We
would
never
do
a
part
on
the
peninsula
With
a
Splash
Mountain
like
that.
You
know
why,
because
there's
nobody
with
a
national
reputation
that
designed
it
it's
an
afterthought.
If
you
think
that's
an
after-talk
thought.
Look
at
the
artificial
turf
at
the
Gateway
coming
into
South
Carolina
I
mean
well
to
the
birthplace
of
South
Carolina,
we're
going
to
put
AstroTurf
artificial
turf
and
we
fight
one
another
to
do
that.
U
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It's
a
cheap
argument
to
assign
that
to
other
council
members
and
that's
what's
been
done
tonight.
Councilman,
bound
and
I
were
up
at
the
chamber
and
making
a
presentation
on
this
and
I
made
the
point
that
the
city
shouldn't
use,
taxpayers
dollars,
buy
property
and
a
developer
not
pay
for
it.
Ms
Wharton
on
this
project.
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I
knew
that
was
coming.
That's
why,
when
I
spoke
about
when
I
spoke
about
Ways
and
Means,
that's
right,
I
knew
you
would
gather
me
to
end,
because
these
facts
were
not
presented
to
people
I,
respect,
I,
respect,
Donna,
Jacobs,
I,
respect,
Charlie,
Smith,
I,
respect
it
Haiti
Zimmerman,
all
right,
I
respect
Mr
O'brien
over
there,
but
these
facts
you
chose
not
to
give
to
the
people
and
decisions
of
multi-million
dollar
decisions
are
being
made
because
the
Inconvenient
Truth
was
not
told
to
compare
it.
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Mr
Pullman
to
be
quoted
in
the
paper
that
this
is
Charleston
Place,
equivalent
to
Charleston
Place.
Respectfully,
nothing
can
be
furthest
from
the
truth.
When
the
vote
came
on
Charleston
Place,
you
see
one
of
the
things
that's
happened
here.
Our
staff
is
supposed
to
provide
all
of
us
and
the
public
with
accurate
information.
The
politics
on
this
councilmember
Brady
has
been
some
of
our
staff
has
been
turned
into
lobbyists.
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To
say
that
and-
and
please
believe
me
Eric-
does
an
excellent
job.
Mr
Pullman
does
but
to
compare
that
and
cause
I
hope.
The
newspaper
was
wrong,
but
I
don't
think
they
were
to
Charleston.
Please
let
me
tell
you
the
vote
on
Charleston.
Please
was
seven
folks
for
seven
against
and
mayor
rally
broke
the
title:
let's
be
more
colorful
about
that.
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Call
at
least
I'm
gonna
ask
for
more
time
and
the
reason
I
say
that
this
has
been
married
in
the
mayor's
office
for
almost
six
years.
Two
years
with
this
developer,
I'm
gonna
vote
against
it
and
I'm
going
and
prayerfully.
If
that
goes
down,
then
I'm
gonna
ask
for
it
to
be
sent
to
a
standing
committee,
Community
Development,
where
everybody
can
have
input.
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Okay,
everybody
can
have
input,
as
opposed
to
not
only
with
the
mayor
chooses
to
show
us.
We've
been
shown
what
the
mayor
chose
to
show
us-
and
my
final
point
is
we're
about
to
vote.
The
next
item
on
item
two
on
the
agenda,
whether
to
seek
a
70
million
dollar
bond
for
Parks
and
Recreation
I'm,
going
to
support
that
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I
would
actually
vote
for
it
if
it
was
an
issue
on
the
table
without
going
to
the
referendum,
because
we
need
those
dollars.
Okay,
but
with
all
that
planning.
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A
Can
you
hear
me
testing?
Is
that
better?
Okay
I
want
to
thank
our
citizens
for
being
here
tonight
and
your
input
over?
Yes,
a
few
years
time
where,
as
was
mentioned,
the
most
citizen
engagement
has
occurred
for
this
project
than
any
in
recent
memory.
I
do
want
to
thank
Jonathan,
Oakman
and
Jason
Ward
and
Leo
Leo
Architects
particular.
Thank
you
Andy
for
your
partnership.
In
this
you
really
went
the
extra
mile,
particularly
over
the
last
couple
of
months
when
we
asked
for
extra
options.
A
I
got
to
admit
to
you:
we,
we
did
wait
a
couple
of
years
of
waiting
to
see
what
the
footprint
of
the
property
would
be
because
we
felt
like
it
would
be
impacted
by
the
decision
of
the
county
and
the
D.O.T
to
modify
the
suicide
merge.
They
decided
to
do
nothing,
so
you
could
consider
that
wasted
time,
but
we
didn't
waste
time
Beyond
there
and
we
engaged
the
public.
We
came
up
with
a
good
plan.
I
think
it's
a
great
plan.
I
plan
to
vote
for
number
one.
A
A
council
member
wearing
I,
do
appreciate
your
passion
on
this
I
I
do
have
one
little
correction,
I
gotta
make
and
my
mother
was
on
city
council
when,
when
Charleston
Place
came
to
a
vote
and
she
did
support
it
along
with
the
other
African-American
members
of
council
and
mayor
Riley
at
that
time
and
and
yeah
in
a
way,
this
might
be
a
little
smaller
scale
y'all
than
Charleston
Place.
But
but
the
concept
is
the
same
and
that's
to
revitalize
a
portion
of
our
city.
A
That's
that's
what
Charleston
Place
was
all
about
when
it
was
proposed
and
approved
with
a
lot
of
opposition
by
the
way,
but
you
know
it's
as
ironic
with
this
discussion
about
the
parking
you
know
other
than
funneling
the
Hud
loan
to
to
the
development
through
the
city
through
the
LDC,
which
was
provided
ultimately
by
Hud.
The
money
was
the
the
other
main
investment
that
the
city
made
to
support.
The
development
was
a
parking
garage
now.
A
It
just
happened
in
that
case
that
they
had
a
facade,
a
beautiful
historic
buildings
along
Meeting
Street
that
they
could
hide
the
garage
behind.
In
this
case,
we
don't
have
that
we
have
a
blank
slate
so
anyway,
it
it's
similar
in
the
way
that
there
is
a
vision
that
was
set
forth
by
plan
West
Ashley,
which
was
engaged
the
public
and
our
citizens
for
extensive
time
time
as
to
what
we
would
like
to
see
in
the
future
of
West
Ashley
to
be,
and
that
that
vision
is
a
very
comprehensive
y'all.
A
It
covers
more
than
just
the
development
of
this
one
site.
We
talked
about
land
use.
We
talked
about
drainage.
We
talked
about
many
issues
that
comprise
West
Ashley,
but
one
specific
one
was
to
revitalize
the
commercial
areas,
particularly
along
Sam
Rittenberg,
and
that's
what
led
this
Council
to
approve
a
tax,
increment,
Finance
District.
That's
what
the
district
is
for
to
revitalize
this
area
from
sumar
street
down
the
Citadel
mall.
Now
we
all
together.
We
hope
that
said
our
mall
would
have
gotten
off
the
ground
with
a
revitalization.
A
They've
done
some
things
there
by
adding
MUSC
and
some
other
things,
but
they
got
a
ways
to
go,
and
we've
been
waiting
for
for
the
owners
to
come
to
us
with
their
development
plan
to
move
forward.
Maybe
the
folks
in
Chicago
they
tell
us
they're
going
to
do
that
in
the
near
future.
I
hope
so,
but
but
we
can't
let
that
hold
us
back
from
continuing
on
the
other
end,
so
that
Sam
Rittenberg
can
be
revitalized
from
one
end
to
the
other.
A
A
So
you
think
20
50
years
down
the
road
councilmember
we're
in
that
50-year
test
that
this
property
could
provide
the
citizens
of
Charleston
a
place
not
just
to
gather,
but
to
do
business
with
the
city.
We
talked
about
the
need
for
office
space
Did.
You
know
that
our
stormwater
department
is
is
is
busting
at
the
scenes
we
can
rearrange.
A
In
addition,
we
have
some
of
our
planning
department
members
like
Eric
Pullman,
who's,
dedicated
West
Ashley
and
our
Annex
Station
of
Molly,
our
annexation
director
to
be
in
the
offices.
We
need
a
office
presence
for
the
City
of
Charleston
and
the
part
of
the
city
that
will
contain
half
of
our
population.
It
just
makes
sense
to
provide
those
services
to
our
cities
and
as
Citizens,
and
it
can
happen
right
here.
In
addition,
the
commercial
use
and
respectfully
I,
don't
know
where
the
figure
52
million
came
from.
A
Maybe
we
have
the
the
farmer's
market
there,
council,
member
Sheila,
your
antique
car,
show
these
are
the
kinds
of
community
activities
that
I
think
our
citizens
have
been
calling
for
and
would
like
to
see
there.
It's
all
a
part
of
the
Vision
West
Ashley
that
we
all
together
and
our
citizens
put
together.
A
It's
an
investment
for
the
future
of
our
city.
It's
an
investment
for
the
revitalization
of
West,
Ashley
I.
Think
the
point's
already
been
made
about
the
highest
and
best
used
councilmember
Gregory,
that's
typically
Financial
consideration.
So
when
we
we
talk
about
places
where
the
city
can
do
its
business,
where
people
can
gather
where
people
can
enjoy
Recreation
and
have
a
opportunity
to
to
use
a
Civic
space,
you
know
it's
not
going
to
produce
a
profit.
A
It's
for
our
citizens,
it's
for
our
taxpayers,
so
I
would
I
know
our
minds
are
probably
all
set
and
I'm
I'm,
not
I'm,
going
to
change
anybody's
Minds.
With
these
remarks
but
and
I
I
respect
everyone's
opinion,
councilmember
Warren
I
respect
your
opinion
as
well
and
and
I
think
our
our
conversation
and
discussion
tonight
has
been
respectful.
So
so
so,
let's
come
together.
Take
a
vote
on
the
motion
on
the
floor
to
approve
option
one
and
and
move
forward
from
there
with
the
best
plan
possible,
I.
A
Believe
right
now
on
the
table.
It's
number
one,
it's
something
we
can
move
forward
with
it's.
It's
has
the
approvals
in
place
that
will
save
us.
A
lot
of
time
mean
I,
hear
y'all,
say
it's
taking
too
long.
So
so
why
turn
the
clock
back
and
and
create
another
challenge
for
for
timing?
Another
set
of
approvals
that
wouldn't
need
to
be
done
when
when
we
already
got
a
bird
in
the
bush,
let's,
let's
let
that
bird
fly
and
move
forward
with
the
approval
of
option
number
one.
A
AS
BE
BE
A
B
A
U
I
said
earlier,
when
we
discussed
about
option
one,
one
of
the
problems
is:
there's
not
been
a
lot
of
input
because
it's
been
married
in
your
office
since
we
bought
the
property
the
60
days
that
went
through
when
we
asked
for
additional
options.
Certainly
what
any
Outreach
to
me
I
don't
know.
If
I
can
talk
to
other
council
members
and
say
what
some
other
things
you'd
like
to
see,
and
it
certainly
hadn't
been
any
meaningful
conversation
with
the
feson
group.
U
U
We
hadn't
even
discussed
that
with
treason.
Why
would
you
have
two
parking
garages
in
close
proximity
to
one-on-one?
It
would
make
sense
to
at
least
have
the
discussion
with
fees
on
if
they
have
any
interest
in
doing
a
a
joint
effort,
thereby
allowing
more
efficient
use
of
both
tracks.
Okay
of
land,
a
developer
is
not
going
to
supplement.
One
developer
is
not
going
to
supplement
another
development,
so
Faison
is
not
going
to
help
to
pay
the
cost
of
landmark
in
part.
U
That's
one
reason:
those
discussions
have
been
hands
so
I
just
want
a
process
that
to
go
forward
immediately.
That
involves
councils,
because
the
mayor
is
a
standing
member
of
all
accounts,
all
Council
committees.
If
it
goes
to
Community
Development,
we
can
take
some
of
the
information
that
we
already
have.
We
don't
have
to
start
from
a
blank
sheet
of
paper,
but
we
can
immediately
get
into
negotiations
potentially
because
we'll
find
out
real,
quick,
whether
they
have
an
interest
or
not.
U
U
U
U
So
I
would
just
want
to
process
to
have
input
from
mayor
the
county,
Council
and
in
particular,
developer
right
across
the
street,
and
the
reason
I
say
that
is
we
have
to
slow
the
traffic
down
in
that
area.
There's
a
brand
new
office
building
well
being
built
behind
the
new
Blue
Cross
and
Blue
Shield
renovated
Blue,
Cross
and
Blue
Shield
building.
U
If
those
people
want
to
go
to
lunch,
they
got
to
get
in
their
car,
they
simply
can't
cross
the
street.
You
have
to
be
Ricky
Ticky
Tabby
to
get
across
the
street
the
day
and
time
are
running
through
West
Ashley
45
50
miles
an
hour
in
that
area
is
over
with
revitalization
slow
it
down
to
35.,
make
it
friendly
for
pedestrian's
bike,
an
alternative
vehicles,
so
I
just
want
to
process.
If
we
go
forward
that
says
we're
going
to
have
a
additional
input
from
Council
discussions
with
Faison
the
county
and
Amir.
Z
Z
E
A
AC
Councilmember
shealy,
thank
you.
Mr
Mayor
I
was
just
going
to
ask
I
mean
during
that
time.
Could
we
reach
out
to
Faison
and
do
it
while,
while
this
is
being
deferred,
reach
out
to
Faison,
see
if
there
can
be
some
kind
of
parking
agreement
between
the
two
developments
during
that
time
than
I
would
be
for
the
deferral?
If
that's.
A
A
BH
I'll
make
it
quicker
happy
to
discuss
as
as
deep
as
you'd
like
to
go
so
roughly
generally,
I've
I've
met
with
Chris
Federate
Faison,
no
less
than
five
six
times
and
we've
had
probably
10
to
15
conversations,
and
those
conversations
have
led
us
to
no
firm,
yes
or
no.
No
I
did
ask
him
for
a
present.
You
know
proposal
to
share
Park
the
site
which
he
was
unwilling
to
give,
and
you
know
some
of
this
is
has
to
do
with
his
own
density.
BH
BH
A
They
were
going
to
have
to
add
to
their
structure
significantly
if
they
were
going
to
quote
partner
with
us
and
so
council
members.
My
discussion
with
Chris
at
Faison
is
that
he's
looking
to
the
city
to
see
what
we're
going
to
do
to
help
determine
what
his
next
move
will
be.
So
I
would
respectfully
advise
us
to
take
some
action
here
this
evening,
council
member
Shea.
AA
AA
Let's
give
very
specific
directions
on
how
we
want
this
to
be
done,
which
should
include
that
the
site
be
developed
for
primarily
public
use
so
that
you,
you
construct
a
Civic
Center
there
with
adequate
Green
Space
and
the
ability
to
allow
these
other
activities
to
take
place
first
and
you
so
you
have
your
on-site
parking,
you
have
your
Civic
site
and
you
have
your
green
space.
You
can
do
that
and
you
can
pull
up
Eric
it's
in
the
it's
in
the
plan
right
here.
It's
a
Civics
in
a
plan.
AA
Their
initial
plan
is
to
rebuild
the
Publix
where
the
Dollar
Tree
store
is
and
the
pivotal
used
to
be
in
Big
Lots.
That's
going
to
take
a
number
of
years
to
get
that
done,
because
you've
got
to
go
through
the
approval
process
of
having
that
taken
care
of
once
that's
built
out.
Then
they'll
move
on
to
phase
two.
BF
AA
AA
Z
Z
B
AB
E
AB
AB
Is
there
that's
my
only
objective
too,
because
I
told
them
in
the
beginning,
I
loved
the
complex
I
always
say
that
the
municipal
part
of
the
building
I
love
it
I
just
had
my
problem
with
some
other
things
and
and
I'm
not
comfortable
with
something
I'm
not
going
to
go
forward
with
it
and
that's
the
way
I
am.
But
if
you
can
go
come
to
the
Community
Development,
because
now
I
miss
out
and
bring
this
back
and
get
it.
You
know
squared
away
because
I
wear
size,
we
need
it.
T
Member
Bell,
I
I'm,
just
gonna,
see
we're
falling
into
a
situation
right
now,
where
we're
Shifting
the
vision
and
the
concept
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
here.
A
park,
a
fountain
in
a
Civic
Center
is
not
going
to
be
it's
not
going
to
revitalize
West
Ashley.
That's
not
the
shot
in
the
arm
that
West
Ashley
needs.
That's
not
going
to
excite
the
public.
That's
not
going
to
change
the
perception
of
West
Ashley
from
west
trashley
to
West
Ashley,
okay,
West
Ashley
is
not
a
few
beautification
projects.
T
Away
From,
Success
I
think
the
problem
runs
much
deeper.
All
you
got
to
do
is
drive
down
Sam
Rittenberg.
It
ain't
pretty
for
the
number
one
city
in
the
world:
okay,
According
to
some
Publications,
so
so
we're
slipping
into
it's
just
West
Ashley,
there's
no
Park
and
Fountain
and
Civic
Center.
That
can
never
be
world
class
because
it's
not
going
to
accomplish
the
goal
of
stimulating
the
Tiff.
Changing
the
perception
of
West
Ashley.
You
want
to
talk
about.
T
Faison
Faison
came
up
with
the
plan
for
investing
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
into
the
site
because
of
the
planning
for
sumar
I've
heard
that
from
the
horse's
mouth.
Okay,
in
my
meetings
with
Chris
all
right,
so
we're
now
getting
to
a
point
where,
if
I'm
phase
and
I'm
talking
to
my
partners
in
Charlotte
and
I'm
here
in
and
I'm
watching
this
meeting
right
now
on
YouTube
I'm
questioning
whether
I
do
anything
on
nationally
Landing.
T
To
be
frank,
so
I,
you
know,
I
think
we're
starting
to
get
away
we're
starting
to
take
the
path
of
least
resistance,
and
it's
not
the
shot
in
the
arm
that
West
Ashley
needs
the
only
way
to
develop
this
property
in
a
way
that
the
public
is
going
to
get.
What
they
want
is
by
us,
leaning
in
in
a
bold
and
aggressive
way
and
that's
option.
One
and
we've
sent
a
clear
signal
of
where
Council
feels
about
that
philosophical
approach,
and
you
know
I
I
think
we
ought
to
vote
for
option.
T
D
Oh
yes,
thank
you.
Mr
Mayor
I
would
just
ask
that
if
it
does
go
back
to
committee,
I
would
really
appreciate.
You
know:
y'all
West,
Ashley
faults
that
aren't
on
the
committee.
You
know
be
there.
I
mean
it's
sending
it
back
to
Community.
Development
is
fine
in
my
eyes,
you
know
being
at
the
West
Ashley
revivalization
committee,
obviously
taking
it
back
there
and
having
y'all's
input.
That's
more
important
to
me,
but
if
it
goes
back
to
Community
Development,
please
West
Ashley
folks
be
there,
so
that
so
that
we
know
you
know
how
it
goes.
Z
I
mean
I'm
I'm
still,
my
motion
still
stands.
I
just
don't
agree
with
some
of
what
I
just
heard
and
I
don't
want
to
get
into
another
discussion,
but
my
motion
still
stands
that
we
send
it
to
back
to
Community,
Development
and
and
and
of
course,
consider
much
of
what
council
member
shade
put
on
the
table.
That
is
specific.
E
A
Down
we'd
still
have
acidic
space
here.
We'd
still
have
the
green
space
in
the
midst
where
families
could
come
together
enjoy
like
they
do
up
at
the
place
on
upper
Meeting,
Street
I
go
there
all
the
time
and
folks
are
having
a
nice
meal
and
their
kids
are
running
around
in
the
Green
Space.
They
love
going
to
that
place
where
the
boxing
parade
right,
so
you've
got
that
effect
here
actually
option.
Two
y'all
gives
us
a
little
better
utilization
of
the
site.
A
Councilman
Gregory,
you
wanted
a
splash
pad
this.
This
gives
you
one
interior
to
the
the
the
the
plaza
area
and
a
little
retail
spaces
in
h
and
I
that
actually
Nails
the
parking
deck
from
the
interior
of
the
property.
This
plan
actually
accomplishes
all
the
uses
that
our
citizens
ad,
for
with
the
exception
they
didn't,
want
to
see
a
parking
parking
deck,
and
this
one
has
one
it's
less
expensive.
We
can
make
it
beautiful.
A
Let's
do
something
tonight,
folks,
let's
vote
for
for
option
number
two,
rather
than
a
burl,
all
you're
going
to
do
with
a
deferral
you're
going
to
kick
the
can
down
the
road.
Again,
we've
been
hearing
comments
about
how
long
this
has
taken.
You're
just
gonna
further
further
delay
further
delay
any
development
of
this
site
by
deferring
this
and
sending
it
back
to
another
kid
movie,
that's
my
opinion.
Any
other
council
member.
AT
BG
BG
D
D
E
E
Z
A
AB
Then
I
was
like
I
told
everyone
from
the
beginning
and
I
think
councilman
PSA
know
this
I
was
not
going
to
support
if
this
come
go
back
to
Community
Development.
If
it
goes
there
I'm
on
the
billing
side,
so
pause
I
can
probably
come
back
and
change.
My
vote
to
say:
let's
do
cops
and
one
if
that's
what
I
see
what's
going
on,
see
I,
don't
know
what
you
all
doing
here
today,
some
of
you
all
sitting
around
here.
You
know
you're
talking
about
your
head
and
talking
all
this
thing
about
other
things.
AB
We
got
to
stop
it.
You
know
maybe
I've
been
sitting
in
this
chair
too
long
and
my
time
is
winding
up,
but
we've
got
to
stop
it
but
you're
playing
too
many
games
here
and
it's
getting
on
my
nerve,
you
see.
All
of
you
also
me
can
be
my
kids
and
that's
what
I'm
looking
at
you
all
right
now
talking
these
things
and
you,
oh,
we
know
everything.
You
don't
know
everything
I've
been
sitting
here
all
these
years.
AB
I,
don't
know
everything
but
I'm,
saying
to
you
all
if
he
says
if
the
council
agreed
to
send
to
the
Community
Development
so
be
it
you
take
those
things
we
get
beat
up
all
the
time.
We
don't
win
everything,
nobody
wins
it
all,
but
if
this
is
going
to
happen,
we
can
expedite
this
and
come
back
and
say:
okay,
let's
do
this
and
get
it
going.
But
if
you
keep
spinning
out,
we
use
this
one
I'm
going
to
talk
about
this
one
that
one.
AB
When
are
we
going
to
stop
this
foolishness
because
I
made
my
point
in
the
beginning:
I
have
not
changed
my
position,
but
I
don't
know
what's
still
going
on
here,
everybody
think
they
know
it
all.
You
know
we
got
council
members
here,
think
they
come
from
I,
don't
know,
let's
be
dropped
from
the
sky
and
they
know
everything
you
do
not
know
it
because
I
don't
know
it
all
I,
don't
know
what
happened,
but
I
should
know
sometimes,
but
I
know
a
lot.
So
we
got
to
stop
it.
Stop
playing
respect
one
another.
AB
Let's
have
respect
in
here.
We
don't
seem
like
we
are
losing
respect
for
one
another.
We
need
to
have
respect
and
I
got
a
problem
when
somebody
would
disrespect
me
I
told
people
in
the
beginning
when
I
got
on
this
console
I,
don't
you
don't
have
to
like
me?
I
don't
have
to
like
you,
because
the
people
didn't
elect
me
to
come
in
here
and
be
like
they
elected
me
to
serve.
No,
you
disrespect
and
you
got
a
problem.
AB
AA
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor.
When
we
go
back
to
the
project
program
on
the
slide
that
was
showing
to
us.
Only
three
percent
of
the
folks
voted
for
a
parking
agreed
with
a
parking
garage.
My
understanding
with
that
above
ground
parking
garage
is
that
it's
not
going
to
save
any
money.
It
does
it's
very
it's
nominal,
whatever
money
that
we
save
on
that
Let's.
Let's
take
out
council
member
Gregory's
motion
to
defer
to
Senate
to
committee
support
that
that
motion
all.
U
Mr
Men
I
want
to
support
councilman
to
eat
idea
along
with
Councilman,
Greg
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why,
early
on,
if
we
go
back
to
the
very
very,
very
beginning,
councilman
shade
said
a
green
space
with
some
out
Parcels,
potentially
with
a
Civic
space,
and
then
it
grew
to
offices.
Then
it
grew
to
underground
garages,
which
we
just
eliminated,
but
respectfully
councilmember,
Pell
I
know.
U
Sometimes
we
all
get
emotional
I
just
did
40
minutes
ago,
but
the
greatest
example
that
illustrates
how
you
are
incorrect
about
public
investment
is
the
Waterfront
Park.
Let
me
tell
you:
you
had
a
bunch
of
raggy
buildings
down
there
when
the
city
invested.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
it
was
controversial
because
there
was
a
private
developer
that
wanted
to
develop
that
Waterfront
you'd
have
to
go
through
Gates
and
stuff
to
look
at
the
water
and
again
mayor
Riley
and
his
team
stepped
in,
and
we
have
a
wonderful
public
space.
U
It
was
ugly
down
there,
those
pylons
a
little
Warehouse
that
caught
a
fire.
We
got
pictures
of
it
and
the
burn
Cinders
was
sticking
up
out
of
the
marsh.
It
was
the
public
investment
in
the
Waterfront
Park.
That's
why
I'm
for
the
70
million
dollar
apocry
for
me
that
and
the
Tiff
that
created
the
revitalization
at
one
of
the
finest
restaurant
office
districts
in
the
nation.
A
You
thank
you
very
much.
I
I
do
want
to
share
with
you
that
after
the
county
voted
no
action
on
the
suicide
merge,
they
did
proceed
to
plan
and
it's
a
project
they
hadn't
started
yet
to
do
pedestrian
and
and
and
and
Bikeway
improvements
all
around
the
Triangular
area
of
sumar
and
Ashley
Landing,
all
the
way
from
Charlestown
Landing
down
to
Orange
Grove
Road,
a
new
light
on
the
Sam
Rittenberg
side.
A
So
in
fact,
councilmember
wearing
those
plans
have
already
been
made
and
and
they've
reported
it
at
the
work
and
to
this
Council
as
well.
That
project
is
is
pending,
I,
think
the
County's
looking
for
funding
and
deciding
how
they're
going
to
phase
it.
But
but
that's
already
been
done.
That's
all
right.
If.
U
A
B
A
C
E
A
A
AA
The
Committee
on
Public
Safety
Net
on
June
12th
at
two
o'clock,
several
items
on
our
agenda
included.
First,
the
amendments
to
the
citizen,
public
advisory
Council
of
guidelines,
I
think
Steve
rumlin
is
here
if
we
need
to
fill
any
advice,
but
mainly
the
amendments
to
this
CPAC
was
to
help
provide
for
a
more
efficient
way
for
the
committee
to
meet
to
get
his
business
done.
Y
I
believe
that's
correct,
I
think
it
was
actually
council
member
seekings
that
had
issue
with
the
representative
living
actually
in
the
council.
Members
District,
as
opposed
to
just
being
a
resident
of
the
city
or
a
business
owner
CPAC,
is
actually
the
one
that
came
up
with
that
recommendation
that
the
person
lived
in
the
council
members
district
and
then
we
took
out
the
facilitator
language,
because
that
was
very
specifically
written
after
the
illumination
projects
and
we
had
Reverend.
Y
Middleton
was
our
facilitator
for
a
year
before
he
he
moved
on,
but
that
was
a
third
party
neutral
person
and
it
had
a
lot
of
language
in
there
that
came
out
of
the
illumination
project.
At
this
point
we
don't
have
a
third
party
person
that
can
fill
that
role,
that
has
that
training
in
the
illumination
project
we've
been
facilitating
with
the
chair
of
the
committee
and
then
our
director
of
procedure
of
Justice.
AA
AA
Second
item
that
we
had
was
an
update
on
the
intercheck
pilot
program.
This
was
the
program
to
check
fake
IDs
has
been
used
on
King
Street
that
they
have
agreed
to
contain
the
program,
as
it
was
highly
successful,
on
weeding
out
underage
patrons
at
bars
and
nightclubs
and
I.
Think
we're
going
to
continue
that
as
excited
until
July
5th
and
with
this
pilot
program,
and
we
get
a
we'll
get
another
update
at
our
July
meeting.
The
election
was
taken
on
that
none
was
needed.
AA
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
that
we
took
out
was
a
report
from
the
municipal
court,
and
we
had
all
of
our
judges
appear
to
provide
an
update,
so
their
numbers
and
the
issues
that
they
were
dealing
with
on
the
number
of
cases
I'm
not
going
to
bore
you
with
a
whole
lot
of
facts
and
figures
except
I.
Just
it's
really
important
to
understand
that
the
9062
cases
were
filed
between
June,
1st
2021
and
May
31st
2022
of
those
cases
filed
only
352
are
pending.
AA
That
is
a
tremendous
tremendous
movement
of
cases
and
I
can
go.
You
should
receive
the
a
copy
of
the
report,
but
we
have
removed
all
of
our
cases
in
Municipal
Court,
including
livability
DUI
traffic
in
criminal
cases.
Very
few
cases
are
remaining
that
are
old
by
that
I
mean
three
or
four
years
old.
The
method
that
we
put
into
play
place
with
the
pre-trial
conferences
in
the
dedicated
judges
we
have
with
judge
Byrd
and
judge
Ferguson
I
think
that
the
DUI
is
working.
AA
We
did
discuss
the
idea
of
a
of
a
Night
board
and
I've
asked
judge
perdina
to
look
and
explore
the
feasibility
to
help
move
some
other
cases
along
as
well.
So,
overall,
where
we
started
this
whole
project
as
to
the
status
of
old
cases.
So
the
cloud
Marines,
particularly
DUI
cases,
has
been
addressed,
we're
moving
this
very
efficient
and
then
we
had
a
update.
We've
asked
the
mayor
to
discuss
with
us
the
process
of
finding
a
a
successful
or
two
of
our.
A
A
BG
Just
one
one
quick
suggestion:
I
mentioned
it
to
Rick
the
other
day,
but
actually
he
was
saying
anything
about
it.
He's
here,
David
Osborne,
one
of
the
guys
who
spoke
is
a
he's.
A
assistant
solicitor
up
in
Dorchester.
Now
I
worked
with
him
for
a
while
in
Charleston,
but
I
really
think
that
somebody
from
the
solicitor's
office
should
be
on
a
hiring
committee.
It
doesn't
really
make
a
whole
lot
of
sense
to
make
arrests
if
we
don't
ultimately
get
convictions,
so
I
I.
A
T
The
governor's
veto
Penny
vetoed
several
earmarks
that
didn't
have
sufficient
backing.
So
that's
now,
four
million
dollars
of
State
funding
for
these
very
important
drainage
projects
in
West,
actually
freeing
up
drainage
funding
for
some
other
projects.
So,
let's,
let's,
let's
all
cheer
that
that's
great
yeah,
oh,
and
how.
T
For
helping
me
and
I'll
second,
that
motion
and
Leon
was
certainly
the
one
carrying
the
torch
on
this,
but
it
wouldn't
have
been
possible
without
our
bipartisan
Charleston
County
delegation,
pushing
it
all
the
way
through.
So
that's
right,
great
teamwork
and
West
Ashley's
getting
a
little
something
today,
yeah.
AC
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
Mayor,
our
Recreation
committee
met
on
Tuesday,
June,
14th,
I'm,
sorry,
Thursday,
June,
14th
I
think
it
was
at
4
30
p.m.
We
had
four
items
on
the
agenda.
We
had
three
authorizations:
there's
an
authorization
for
the
mayor
to
sign
a
memorandum
of
agreement
with
the
City
of
Charleston
and
Friends
of
the
muni
regarding
future
renovation
projects.
AC
So
we
also
had
authorization
for
the
mayor
to
execute
an
after
the
fact:
approval
letter
agreement
between
the
City
of
Charleston
Charleston
County
School
District,
to
allow
Burke
High
School
to
utilize
the
locker
rooms
at
Stony
field
as
weight
as
weight
rooms,
while
Burke's
weight
rooms
are
being
renovated.
That
was
also,
of
course,
brought
through
councilman
appel's
committee
there.
So
I
would
like
the
move
that
we
approved
those
three
authorizations
before
we
go.
AC
It
and
of
course,
as
you
know,
we
have
the
ordinance
ordering
a
referendum
on
the
question
of
whether
the
City
of
Charleston
shall
be
authorized
to
issue
General
obligation,
bonds
of
the
City
of
Charleston
and
amount
not
to
exceed
70
million
to
defray
the
cost
of
Parks
and
Recreation
Capital
Improvement
projects
in
the
City
of
Charleston,
as
set
forth
in
the
Charleston
Parks
and
Recreation
master
plan.
Of
course
we
have
Miss
Copeland
and
Jason
crimesberg
and
we
have
former
mayor
of
padine
Hanrahan.
If
we
have
questions
so.
A
BJ
BK
It's
three:
we
would
need
to
do
a
three
mil
increase,
so
I
would
could
do
the
calculations
for
you
on
how
much
that
would
mean
in
a
tax
bill
and
send
it
to
you
later
if
you'd
like.
But
you
can't
do
that
in
my
head
right
now:
I'm,
sorry,
but
yeah.
So
for
70
million
it
would
be
three
meals.
1.7
is
our
military.
Basically,
one
mil
equals
1.7
million
dollars.
BK
E
BL
Thank
you,
mayor,
teclan,
Bergen,
just
to
follow
up.
It
is
about
three
Mills
and
I
believe
that
equates
to
about
24
dollars
per
200
000.,
so
the
average
household
is
assessed
at
about
530
000,
and
so
it
equates
to
about
64
dollars
per
year
for
the
typical
household.
Now,
that's
actually
a
worst
case
scenario,
because
it
assumes
no
annexation
and
assumes
no
tax
base.
It
assumes
a
level.
BL
It
also
assumes-
and
this
is
perhaps
one
of
the
most
conservative
assumptions.
It
assumes
that
the
city
would
issue
all
70
million
at
once,
which
is
not
typically
done,
because,
of
course
you
do
the
projects
over
time
and
as
your
tax
base
grows
and
as
you
pay
down
other
debt,
you
may
not
need
to
go
to
that
maximum
amount.
If
that
makes
sense-
and
this
is
again
just
on
assessed
property-
if
anyone
is
below
a
threshold
or
in
a
rental
property,
they
wouldn't
share.
BK
U
A
couple
questions
is
what
I
didn't
get
to
ask
you.
This
question
I
understand,
there's
some
difficulties
if
we
were
to
just
puts
us
on
the
agenda
and
vote
up
a
down
approval
of
doing
this
versus
going
out
on
a
referendum.
If
we
were
to
do
that,
what
are
the
Bear
Tracks
if
we
were
just
I
guess
from
a
fiscal
standpoint,
I'm
not
talking
about
an
actual
vote
around
the
table.
BK
U
The
reason
I'm
saying
that
Mr
Man
colleagues
is
obviously
you
could
feel
we
all
know
we
need
this
money.
I
mean
we
all
know.
We
need
this
money.
We've
we've
spent
money
on
more
than
this
on
drainage,
Bonds,
on
drainage
projects,
as
a
matter
of
fact.
So,
if
it
were
me,
I'd
put
this
on
the
agenda
and
I'm
gonna
vote
for
it.
I'm
gonna
go
for
it
either
way,
but
I
would
like
to
see
it
happen.
I,
don't
like
the
idea
of
taking
the
risk
that
it
does
not
happen
so.
BK
So
we
have
a
municipal
operations
center
that
we
we
need
to
build
as
well
so
in
terms
of
debt
capacity.
So
that's
a
hundred
million
dollar
project
right
and
we'll
it'll
be
a
mixed
mix
of
different
funding
sources.
Geo
iprb
things
like
that,
but
in
terms
of
debt
capacity
right
now
we're
at
like
116
million
right.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind
when
the
70
million
dollar
Bond
and
then
what
we
would
need
for
the
municipal
operations
center.
But.
U
BK
I'm
just
saying
to
keep
that
in
mind,
a
referendum
would
protect
our
bond
capacity
if
we
were
to
do
especially
if
we
were
to
do
a
70
million
dollar
all
up
front,
when
we
have
the
municipal
operations
center,
we
have
to
think
about
as
well,
because
that's
a
lot
of
bonding
that
we'll
have
to
do.
Okay,
see
what
I
mean.
Yes,.
U
Referendum
is
but
for
me,
I'd
vote
second
question
earlier:
I
brought
this
up
but
and
think
about
the
Green
Space
West
Ashley,
that's
going
to
be
developed.
Is
there
any
way
we
can
work
monies
in
this
Bond
referendum
that
would
go
towards
I?
Don't
believe
that
was
part
of
discussion
in
a
large
degree
in
formulating
the
70
million,
but
it
certainly
should
be
some
money
in
this
referendum
or
in
the
70
million
or
office
72
million
or
whatever
the
73
million.
That
would
go
directly
to
us
beautifying
the
Gateway
coming
into
West
Ashley.
U
BK
U
BK
BK
B
A
D
J
A
Yeah,
it
would
be
our
goal
and
but
but
specific
commitments
have
got
to
be
based
upon
real
cost
estimates.
When,
when
projects
get
fully
vetted
and
designed
and
engineered,
you
know
you
could
you
can
build
a
15
million
dollar
pool
or
you
can
build
a
70
million
dollar
Aquatic
Center.
So
you
know
it's
got
to
leave
us
the
flexibility
which
it
does
because
it
states
that
we
we
can.
We
can
proceed
with
any
project
identified
in
the
master
plan.
BL
BL
You
can,
of
course,
use
other
funding
sources
and
and
are
encouraged
to
the
one
thing
if
I
were
to
ask
for
anything
other
than
the
firm
motion
just
to
adopt.
The
ordinance,
as
is,
is
that
there
was
I
met
with
each
and
every
one
of
you.
Some
of
you
were
extremely
generous
with
your
time.
Looking
at
councilman
Waring,
where
there
was
a
little
bit
more
detail
added
into
the
project
description
that
we
got
into
the
questions
that
we
asked.
BL
They
did
better
and
I
want
to
point
out:
Bear
Swamp
Park,
for
example.
There
was
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
where
it
was
and
what
was
included,
and
so
if
there
was
one
thing
in
between
now
and
second
reading,
I
would
encourage
y'all
to
look
at
the
language
in
your
districts
and
see
if
you
can
get
with
your
staff
a
tiny
bit
more
detail.
BL
AB
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
know
that
on
the
list
when
I
mention
to
you
and
Jason
also
also
came
to
me
pertaining
to
our
Martin,
Parr
and
I
know
it's
not
on
the
list
because
he
said
yeah,
they
approved
it,
but
I
would
like
to
have
something
in
writing
or
something
that
they're
going
to
relate
to
the
neighborhood
association
in
the
area,
because
then
in
this
peninsula,
so
to
speak
and
even
in
the
area
in
the
African-American
Community.
If
you
look
at
all
the
parks
in
this
city
is
obsolete.
AB
All
the
buildings
is
absolutely
in
the
City
of
Charleston
and
I'm,
telling
you
all
of
them,
and
so
we
mentioned
in
the
beginning.
About
a
year
ago,
Martin,
Park
and
Martin
Park
I
know
it's
obsolete,
but
we
are
building
so
many
housing
around
by
Martin
Park.
We
got
the
James
police,
complex
company.
We
got
the
the
senior
citizen
complex
by
Humanities
Foundation.
Then
we
got
some
other
properties
that
we
want
to
eventually
put
housing
on
and
we
got
to
park
there.
AB
That's
obsolete
so
I
just
wanted
to
have
that
stone
so
that
people
be
able
to
see
that
I,
don't
want
to
just
tell
them
about
a
word
of
mouth
and
they
have
nothing
to
be
showing
that
this
is
their
own,
that
that
we
are
still
pushing
forward
on
that.
So
that's
why
I
was
talking
to
Jason
about
that
on
the
Martin
Park.
A
So
if
I
may
interject
that's
a
good
example
of
projects
that
we
already
have
in
the
works
and
have
separate
funding
for
Martin
Park
is
a
Improvement.
We,
we
already
have
on
the
list
so
to
speak,
and
it's
to
be
funded
with
tax
increment
Finance
dollars
once
again,
this
time
from
the
Cooper
River
TIF
district
and
that
correct.
BK
A
Right
yeah
so
this
year,
for
example,
y'all
we're
spending
over
seven
million
dollars
on
city
parks.
So
so
we're
not
looking
for
the
bond
like
to
completely
replace
other
funding
sources
that
we
pulled
together
for
Park
improvements.
We
just
approved
to
move
forward
with
a
repaving
of
the
West
Ashley
Bikeway,
for
example,
and
we
have
a
budget
there
for
1.8
million
dollars,
so
we're
going
to
continue
to
draw
upon
funds
wherever
we
can
to
make
improvements
and
and
Frank.
A
AB
Yeah
I
just
came
to
go
back
to
community
and
tell
them
that,
and
they
don't
see
anything
happening
yeah
and
they
come
to
me
and
they
said,
look
at
the
City
of
Charleston.
Look
at
all
our
parts
based
from
the
African-American
Community,
all
those
parts
from
Hampton
Park
to
home
and
field.
We'll
see
two
of
that
one
down.
It's
all
obsolete,
I
didn't
really
ever
since
I've
been
here
growing
up
and
it's
the
absolutely
they
don't
have
Kitchen
in
it.
AB
They
don't
have
none
these
things
and
it's
so
if
you
got
all
these
housing
being
want
to
be
Billet
rather
wrong
it
you
need
to
have
something
that
the
senior
citizen
can
go
to
right,
Victoria,
Bingo
or
whatever
the
case,
so
they
get
out
their
homes.
You
have
the
examples
complex
gonna
be
have
young
people
coming
they're
having
a
park
that
they
can
be.
They
go
to
and
feel
comfortable
in,
because
all
these
parks
in
the
city
in
these
particular
area
is
obsolete.
AB
Mall,
Park
I'm
not
even
talking
about
a
little
small
building
and
I'm,
not
talking
about
Jackson
green
because
they
tore
that
one
down.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
not
that
many
in
these
particular
areas
so
but
I
want
to
let
the
people
see
that
we're
doing
something
here
too
and
they're
getting
something
out
of
the
city.
I'm
interesting
I'm,
saying
they're
asking
me
every
day
and
say
we're
not
doing
anything.
So
they
drop
me
on
me,
but
that
so
I
said
we
all
know.
I'm
gonna
make
sure
that
something
is
written
on
writing.
D
D
We
have
two
more
readings
on
this,
and
here
we
are
so
I
know
it's
late,
but
I
want
to
be
real
clear
here,
because
that's
the
issue
is
we
don't
just
want
another
pot
of
money
that
this
Administration
can
just
use
for
whatever
it
deems.
You
know
whatever
we
are.
You
know
whatever
they
desire.
This
is
for
the
voters
in
November
to
decide
where
to
say
yes
or
no
to
where
this
money
goes
and
I
thought
that
that
was
the
whole
idea
of
this
Bond
referendum
and
specifying
what
the
district
needs
were.
D
AC
AC
D
I
D
BI
So
that's
to
address
as
well,
so
we've
had
two
different
questions,
so
maybe
I'll
start
with
with
your
question
here.
So
you
know
you
don't
know
what
the
Project's
going
to
come
in
from
a
cost
perspective
right.
So
a
lot
of
work
has
gone
into
that
on
the
front
end.
So
you
put
together
a
plan
that
you
feel
as
the
city.
You
can
do
with
70
million
dollars
right.
So
but
you
don't
know
until
you
get
into
some
of
these
projects
and
things
happen,
so
you're
not
committing
to
doing
all
these
projects.
BI
But
you
have
the
intention
today
to
do
all
these
projects.
So
that's
question
one.
The
question
two
is:
you
can
only
spend
the
money
on
what's
in
here,
so
there
are
a
lot
of
specifics
listed
to
your
point
and
then
there
is
language
at
the
end,
this
has
other
projects
identified
in
the
master
plan,
so
the
the
major
projects
are
listed
and
there's
also
improvements
to
existing
Playing,
Fields
walking,
biking
trails,
tennis,
pickleball
and
basketball
courts.
So
it's
mainly
very
specific
projects
and
those
are
the
signature
projects.
L
A
A
BJ
BJ
We
passed
the
approval
of
Safe,
Streets
and
routes
for
all
Grant.
It
requires
25
or
20
City
match
125
000
that
was
approved
during
Ways
and
Means
as
part
of
ways
and
means
Item
B.
We
had
an
approval
of
resolution,
affirming
supportive
improvements
to
Maybank
Highway
to
relieve
traffic
congestion,
which
in
is
like
the
6932
emails
that
I've
been
getting,
is
about
the
city,
stop
light
that
we
put
on
there,
and
so
we
had
some
good
discussion
around
the
resolution.
BJ
So
that's
why
that's
needed
so
that
passed
unanimously.
The
approval
of
the
resolution
for
the
municipal
State
Highway
project
agreement,
scdot
Corridor
safety,
Improvement
project
was
deferred,
and
then
we
approved
two
limousine.
Let's
see
yes,
the
two
limousine
license
and
those
were
passed
unanimously
as
well
and
I
would
move
for
those
adoptions.
Z
M
I
guess
I
would
say
behind
the
scenes
on
on
some
of
this
and
I
have
some
concerns
just
regarding
the
transparency
of
this,
so
just
to
remind
that
this
project
is
being
funded
by
Federal,
Highway,
Safety
funds
and
I'm
wondering
if
before
we
before,
we
approve
this
and
comes
back,
something
that
we're
going
to
be
proving
with
seo-d-o-t
I
guess.
I
would
like
to
see
some
of
the
design
plans.
A
A
M
A
A
B
E
A
That'll
be
next.
Okay,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it
next
up
is
our
bills.
For
second
reading
we
have
16
items,
everybody
good
to
take
them
all
together.
Any
questions
comments
on
any
of
1
through
16
hearing,
none
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
any
opposed
the
odds
have
it
now
for
third
reading
or
ratification.
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
all
16.
any
questions
whatsoever,
Theory,
not
all
in
favor.
Please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposing
eyes.
Have
it
our
next
regular
meeting
will
be
Tuesday
July
18th,
but
we
do
have
a
request
to
go
in
an
executive
session
to
receive
legal
advice
on
consideration
of
proposed
settlement
of
Harmony
West
Ashley
misdemeanor.