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From YouTube: City of Charleston City Council Meeting 10/11/22
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City of Charleston City Council Meeting 10/11/22
A
The
most
unlikely
event
that
we
would
need
to
evacuate
the
building.
We
just
have
these
two
doors
from
the
main
chamber
leading
out
and
the
one
door
from
the
chamber
over
there.
In
that
event,
don't
use
the
elevator,
but
please
use
the
two
stairs
going
down
to
the
first
floor
and
then
there's
only
one
air
going
out
the
front
to
leave
the
building
just
wanted
everybody
to
have
that
situational
awareness
just
in
case
all
right.
A
First,
we
have
a
proclamation,
honoring
dot,
Scott
and
I'd
like
to
ask
her
to
come
forward
along
with
her
family
members
and
join
me
up
here.
This
is
on
the
occasion
of
her
pending
retirement
of
over
21
years
of
leadership
and
service
to
our
community
as
head
of
the
Charleston
chapter,
Charleston
branch
of
the
NAACP
doc
please
come
forward
and
your
family
is
welcome
to
join
and
stuff
here.
A
Y'all
come
on
up,
we
will,
and
let
me
share
this
Proclamation
with
everyone
if
I
may,
whereas
the
City
of
Charleston
is
honored
to
recognize
civil
rights,
leader
and
businesswoman,
Todd
Scott,
president
of
the
historic
Charleston
branch
and
National
Association
of
the
advancements
of
colored
peoples
NAACP
for
21
years
as
she
looks
to
retirement
and
whereas
dot
Scott
was
born
in
North,
Charleston
grew
up
in
hugee
and
remains
active
in
our
childhood
Church
Zion
United
Methodist.
A
She
earned
a
bachelor's
degree
from
Charleston
Southern
University,
a
masters
from
Webster
and
as
a
graduate
of
the
Richard
Riley
School
of
divinity
at
Furman
University,
whereas
after
retiring
as
a
sales
and
service
manager
at
Bell,
South
a
t
after
31
years,
Dodd
Scott
then
continued
her.
A
commitment
to
bettering
civil
rights,
fair
and
equal
treatment
for
all
citizens
and
improving
race
relations.
A
She
has
led
that
fight
for
21
years,
with
a
passion,
she's
been
so
personally
committed,
I'll,
say
she's,
tenacious
when
she
needs
to
be
because
she's
passionate
about
the
rights
and
and
and
fair
treatment
for
all
members
of
our
city
and
Society.
So
now,
therefore,
I
John,
J
tacklemore,
mayor
of
the
City
of
Charleston,
do
hereby
Proclaim.
Today,
it's
dot
Scott
day
in
the
City
of
Charleston
God
bless
foreign.
B
Has
been
my
home
for
the
last
41
years
and
trust
me
I'm
not
going
anywhere
finding
something
else
to
do,
and
I've
already
decided
what
it's
going
to
be.
But
here
again
thank
you
so
much
I'm,
so
I'm
I'm
disappointing
my
daughter
worked
late.
My.
D
B
They'll
never
be
another
dot.
Scott
I've
worked
with
her
over
the
years
and
the
work
that
she's
done
in
this
city
for
civil
rights
and
the
results
that
she's
obtained
mayor
will
last
Way
Beyond
her
years
and
for
that
based
upon
where
we're
headed
as
a
city
and
as
a
country,
we
need
more
dot
Scots
more
than
ever.
Yeah.
E
A
D
Thank
you,
councilmember
shade,
thank
you.
Mr
Mayor
and
God
I
know
you're
not
going
to
really
retire
D,
but
I
just
want
to
tell
you.
Thank
you
on
behalf
of
our
community.
D
You
may
not
remember
this,
but
you
and
I
sat
together
when
we
were
interviewing
priority.
Police
Chiefs
candidates
for
police,
chief
and
I
wanted
to
tell
you
how
much
I
learned
from
you
doing
that
interview
process,
and
it's
just
also
important
for
all
of
us
as
Citizens,
no
matter
what
our
role
is,
our
city,
council
or
any
type
of
community
leadership.
We
can
never
stop
learning
from
others
and,
above
all,
your
teachers,
because
you
teach
us
to
keep
our
minds
wide
open
and
look
at
the
good
of
people.
D
F
You
Mr
Mayor,
for
you
all
who
may
not
know
dot
Scott
in
this
chamber,
she's
the
person
of
the
character
that
she's
doing
well
she's,
not
satisfied
with
that
until
her
community
is
doing
well
and
you
don't
replace
that
she
has
the
ability
to
Galvanize
others
to
work
on
behalf
of
those
who
are
less
than,
and
that's
an
exceptionalism
that
I
don't
care
where
you
parachute
down
in
this
country.
Every
Community
needs
and
the
last
compliment
I'd
like
to
give
her
is
she's
a
pretty
little
lady.
F
F
Mr
Mayor
and
colleagues
and
Council
and
everyone
else
who
is
watching
I
met
Doug
Scott
years
ago,
when
I
started
out
way
back
when,
like
in
the
Civil
Rights
Movement
brother,
constantly
where
his
father
I
was
about
14
years
old
I
was
a
member
of
the
NWC
during
that
time
and
that's
when
everything
was
kind
of
cheap.
F
You
know
and
ten
dollars
at
that
time
and
when
I
met
dot,
Scott
coming
up
through
the
years
and
dog
Scott
was
always
a
person
that
was
adamant
of
what
she
was
doing
and
what
she
was
about.
It
was
always
about
community
and
people
in
need
and
she'll
go
out
her
way
to
try
to
assist
you
know
and
she'll
go.
F
But
if
you
want
a
good
fight,
she's
ready
for
that
fight
and
I
want
to
thank
her
very
much
for
just
staying
there
and
going
through
it.
I
know
she
got
beat
up
a
lot
of
time,
but
she's
still
was
right.
There
fighting
fighting
back
for
everyone
in
the
community.
So
I
would
like
to
thank
her
and
thank
you
dot
for
everything
you
have
done
over.
The
period
of
years
for
everyone
that
lives
in
the
City
of
Charleston
and
Beyond.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
Don
again.
Anyone
else
well,
God
bless.
Thank
you
for
your
service.
I
would
like
to
just
let
everyone
know
and
we're
working
on
a
little
special
stipend
to
honor
dot,
Scott
and
her
name
with
with
the
contribution
to
the
Charleston
Branch
NAACP,
and
if
anyone
would
like
to
participate
in
adding
to
that
stipend,
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna,
gather
a
basket
and
you're
on
a
DOT
and
help
preserve
the
work
that
you've
been
doing
so
wanted
to
make
that
announcement
all
right.
A
So
next
I
want
to
honor
a
Charleston
businesswoman
who
has
been
designated
as
a
South
Carolina
Latino
business
person
of
the
year,
and
so
will
nilsy
rapalo.
Please
join
me
up
here,
along
with
Vanessa
Mota
and,
as
you
can
see,
nilsy
is
somewhat
dressed
for
the
occasion.
Is
he
not
wow?
A
So
I
will
share
this
Proclamation
with
everyone
as
well.
Please
come
on
up
if
you'd
like,
whereas
the
City
of
Charleston
has
proclaimed
September
15th
through
October
15th
as
Hispanic
Heritage
Month
in
the
City
of
Charleston.
In
accordance
with
the
national
observance,
we
announced
that
Hispanic
Heritage
Month
calendar
of
events
through
our
office
of
cultural
Affairs,
City
of
Charleston
honors,
the
latinx
community,
for
its
contributions
to
a
more
prosperous
city
of
Charlton
and
recognizes
the
potential
to
create
stronger,
Business,
Development
and
entrepreneurial
relationships
that
we
are
more
inclusive
of
the
latinx
community.
A
The
City
of
Charleston
acknowledges
the
work
of
Vanessa
Mota,
who
is
back
here
behind
me:
she's
Chief,
Executive,
Officer
of
Malta
Enterprises
of
Columbia,
and
establishing
an
award
recognizing
outstanding
accomplishments
in
the
business
sector
in
South
Carolina
and
the
presentation
of
Charleston
South
Carolina
Latino
business
of
the
Year
award
to
miss
Niel,
C,
rapalo,
owner
of
wellness
and
Beyond
LLC
and
circulos
de
BN,
star
LLC,
and
whereas
the
City
of
Charleston
extends
its
congratulations
to
miss
nilsey
and
recognizes
her
many
contributions.
A
Listen
to
this
y'all
she's
been
a
member
of
the
minority
Affairs
Commission
of
the
South
Carolina
governor's
office.
The
minority
business
Enterprise
Advisory
Board
of
the
City
of
Charleston
The
latinx
Advisory
Council
to
the
mayor
of
the
City
of
Charleston
Miss
nilsey,
is
the
founding
member
of
the
Hispanic
Business
Association,
and
facilitates
training
in
Spanish
for
the
community
Business
Academy
at
Lowcountry
local.
First,
she,
whereas
the
City
of
Charleston,
highly
values,
Miss
nilsey's
professional
work
as
a
clinical
psychologist
as
well
and
certified
life
coach.
A
She
has
worked
in
the
mental
health
Fields
since
1996
in
the
United,
States
and
Colombia
with
culturally
diverse
patients
and
has
conducted
research
on
mental
health
and
infertility
issues.
Miss
nilsy
rapalo
is
currently
an
eye
movement
trauma
technique,
specialist
for
the
South
Carolina
Department
of
Mental
Health
and
the
author
of
The
award-winning
book,
spiritual
immigration,
a
path
to
inspiration
and
wellness,
whereas
in
honor
of
this
important
award
recognition,
the
people
of
Charleston
are
urged
to
reflect
upon
the
wider
contributions
of
Hispanic
and
Latino
Americans
to
our
city-state
nation
and
indeed
to
our
world.
A
A
B
Mayor
Tech
under
City
Council,
Members,
latinx,
Advisory,
board,
motor
Enterprises
staff
and
community
members,
I
am
honored
to
receive
the
Charleston
business
of
the
Year
award.
2022
and
I
want
to
acknowledge
the
leadership
of
Moda
Enterprises
for
recognizing
the
Latino
businesses
in
South
Carolina.
My
deepest
gratitude
to
my
fellow
Hispanic
Business
Association
board
members
for
their
support
in
creating
a
non-profit
for
the
time
was
only
living
in
my
dreams.
B
When
I
found
myself
becoming
a
business
owner,
there
will
be
enough
words
to
say
gracias
to
my
dear
Janie,
Haley
and
Jackie
Berger
form
an
impressed
and
executive
directors
of
low
country
local
first
for
giving
the
Hispanic
Community
La
Academia
a
community
business,
a
curriculum
in
Spanish.
That
I
was
the
first
Spanish-speaking
graduate
of
that
program.
As
today,
La
Academia
has
graduated
seven
Spanish-speaking
entrepreneurs
and
Counting.
B
B
Be
sure
that
you
are
not
today,
just
honoring
a
woman
and
her
business
today
you
are
celebrating
a
tribe
of
immigrants
who
are
here
to
make
this
city
diverse
and
productive
Gracia
for
making
wellness
and
vision
LLC
a
reality,
since
2009.
I
dedicate
this
award
to
my
family
friends,
business
partners,
fellow
board
members,
clients
and
students,
currently
waiting
for
me
to
celebrate
with
food
and
music
as
Latino
like
to
celebrate.
B
B
C
Just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
everyone,
I'm,
not
going
to
take
your
time
as
you
can
see
why
she
was
chosen
over
several
business
owners
every
year.
They
go
through
a
board,
an
education
and
Business
board
once
you
know
to
choose
the
the
one
for
this
year
or
for
every
year.
I
just
want
to
say
that
it
will
be
October
14th
at
the
State
House
at
10
A.M,
where
she
will
receive
her
Award
with
all
the
other
recipients
around
the
state.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
it's
a
pleasure
being
here.
Thank.
A
You're,
a
terrific
role
model
for
small
business
women,
business
Latino
and
thank
you
for
your
service
on
our
cities,
Latino
advisory
committee
as
well,
you're,
just
so
terrific.
Thank
you
so
much
so.
I
also
had
I
think
the
proclamation
in
Spanish.
Everyone
can
be
thankful
that
I
did
not
attempt
to
read
it
in
Spanish,
even
Bishop
jern.
Let
me
know
that
my
French
was
not
nearly
as
good
as
I
thought.
It
was
so
I
can
assure
you
my
Spanish
to
an
unknown
pass
muster.
A
So
we
have
one
more
Proclamation
I'd
like
to
ask
councilmember
Brady
to
join
me
up
here,
along
with
Courtney
plotner
who's,
president
and
CEO
of
the
association
for
the
Blind
and
Visually
Impaired
of
South
Carolina
and
Anne
Reed.
They
achieved
development
officer
and
I've
got
a
confirmation
for
you
all
as
well.
A
For
86
years.
The
association
for
the
blind
provides
free,
Vision
rehabilitation
services
for
all
adults,
with
visual
impairments
in
South
Carolina,
with
a
focus
on
Berkeley,
Charleston
and
Dorchester
counties,
and
provide
skills,
training,
education
and
sports
services
in
Charleston
through
community-based
trainings
in
a
virtual
training
platform,
and
whereas
the
month
of
October
contains
National
World
site
day
on
October
13th
Association
for
the
blind
birthday
on
October
14th
and
the
national
white
cane
day
on
October
15th.
Whereas
the
observance
of
October,
as
the
association
for
the
blinds
awareness
month,
will
help
raise
awareness
of
visual
disabilities.
A
The
challenges-
individuals
with
visual
impairments
face
daily
the
capabilities.
Individuals
with
visual
disabilities
have
particularly
in
the
workplace
and
the
importance
of
visual
Vision
rehabilitation
in
our
community,
whereas
we
urge
all
citizens
throughout
the
City
of
Charleston,
to
join
in
the
celebration
and
work
together
to
increase
understanding
of
blindness
visual
impairments
and
to
raise
awareness
of
the
need
for
appropriate
and
accessible
Vision
rehabilitation
services.
Now,
therefore,
I
John
Jay
tecklenburg,
mayor
City,
Charleston
Proclaim
October,
is
the
association
for
the
blind,
Awareness
Month
in
South
Carolina
and
the
City
of
Charleston.
A
So
thank
you
for
the
fine
work
that
you
do
and.
A
C
Er
members
of
the
council,
my
name
is
Courtney
plotner
I'm,
the
president
and
CEO
of
the
association
for
the
Blind
and
Visually
Impaired,
South,
Carolina
or
Abbi.
We
are
honored
by
this
Proclamation
declaring
October
Abbi
awareness
month.
We
use
this
month
to
raise
awareness
of
the
overwhelming
need
for
vision,
rehabilitation
in
our
community
and
the
efforts
abvi
is
making
to
address.
This
need
to
put
this
need
into
perspective.
A
new
study
estimated
that
there
are
12.5
million
people
in
the
United
States
over
the
age
of
40,
experiencing
a
visual
impairment.
C
C
Vision,
rehabilitation
services,
teach
individuals
with
a
visual
impairment,
the
Adaptive
skills
necessary
to
do
everything
from
the
moment
you
wake
up
in
the
morning
till
the
time
you
go
to
bed
at
night,
so
setting
your
alarm,
making
your
breakfast
getting
dressed,
securing
Transportation
getting
to
work,
etc.
Anybody
who
loses
their
Vision
needs
Vision
Rehabilitation.
So
if
I
or
you
were
to
lose
our
vision,
we
would
come
to
abvi
for
services,
because
abvi
provides
the
most
comprehensive,
Vision
rehabilitation
services
for
adults
in
our
area
and
only
a
tiny
portion
of
vision
Rehabilitation
is
covered
by
insurance.
C
The
need
is
great.
We
are
drowning
in
it
as
we
try
to
convince
funders
and
grantors,
many
of
whom
may
have
not
been
affected
by
vision,
loss.
The
importance
of
our
services,
how
much
health
care
crisis
and
GAP
is
created
when
Vision
Rehabilitation
doesn't
exist,
not
to
mention
the
increase
in
poverty.
So
recognition
like
this
Proclamation
help
us
add
weight
to
our
messaging
surrounding
this
needs.
So,
on
behalf
of
our
board,
our
staff,
and
especially
the
individuals
we
serve.
Thank
you
again
for
your
support.
We
are
truly
grateful.
C
A
So
thank
you
for
all
our
proclamations,
y'all,
who
came
this
evening.
Two
other
quick
announcements
as
I
made,
one
of
which
today
we
had
here
at
City
Hall
an
announcement
of
being
able
to
move
forward
with
our
Anson
Street
burial
Memorial.
It's
going
to
be
an
incredible
Fountain
right
next
to
the
gillyard
and
Nigel
Redden
and
Brenda
lauderback
are
kind
of
leading
the
charge
on
that.
It
was
really
started
by
Dr
o
and
the
Gullah
Society
to
commemorate
those
36
individuals
who
were
found
buried
at
the
gay
yard
site.
A
But
here
was
the
nice
news
today.
The
leadership
of
Wells
Fargo
Foundation
were
here
and
they
presented
us
a
three
hundred
thousand
dollar
check
to
help
that
move
forward.
So
I
just
thought:
I'd
share
that
with
Council,
because
that
that
makes
it
a
go
project
and
we're
going
to
be
able
to
put
move
that
forward.
It's
going
to
be
really
a
terrific
addition
to
the
city
and
then,
if
I,
if
Council
will
indulge
me,
I
did
you.
A
You
first
met
just
at
our
last
meeting,
our
new
emergency
manager,
Ben
umquist
and,
of
course
we
didn't
know
what
kind
of
impacts
we
would
see
from
Hurricane
Ian,
and
luckily
it
wasn't
nearly
as
bad
as
it
might
have
been.
Many
folks
said
we
dodged
a
bullet
but
I
I
just
wanted
to
con.
A
B
As
the
mayor
said,
we
had
what
you
would
describe
as
a
near
Miss
with
hurricane
Ian.
G
G
Unfortunately,
it's
not
as
easy
as
just
loading
things
up
in
the
truck
and
going.
We
have
to
follow
FEMA
and
DHEC
guidelines.
Everything
has
to
be
documented.
It's
very
meticulous.
G
Public
would
like
I
I.
Do.
B
I
wasn't
sure
what
to
expect
coming
in
this
being
my
first
event,
and
we
had
not.
G
Had
an
opportunity
to
do
any
kind
of
training
or
anything
like
that
world-class
professionals.
Here
it
made
my
job
tremendously
easier
than
what
I've
had
the
experience
in
the
past
with
certain
areas.
B
So
very
thankful
for
that
and
I
think
we've
got
a
great
Foundation
to
move.
I
Starting
our
after
action
process
right
now,
looking
for
our
strengths,
our
areas.
G
For
improvement
and
then
our
opportunities
to
enhance
our
capabilities
being
through
Partnerships
identifying
new
assets,
we
can.
B
B
Have
hit
10
10.0
that
would
have
breached
our
storm
walls
and
everything
and
cause
serious
flooding
throughout
the
area.
G
So
very
fortunate
that
it
went
north
of
us
for
the
storm
that
we
did
get
it's
what
we
expected
a
stronger
than
normal
flood
events.
High
winds
lost
power
in
certain
areas
for
a
good
period
of
time.
J
I
Over
the
past
years,
taking
these
kinds
of
things
very
seriously.
B
A
You
questions,
thank
you
Ben
and
I
just
want
to
reiterate:
I
promise,
I'm,
not
keeping
track,
but
when,
when
I
showed
up
at
the
myoc
last
week,
or
at
the
beginning
of
the
incident
day
before
Daniel
fleeces,
who
you
all
know,
he
said
well
mayor.
A
This
is
the
seventh
time
we've
activated
the
Mio
for
storm
since
you've
been
mayor,
so
we're
getting
I've
had
a
little
practice
myself,
but
I
I'm,
never
more
proud
of
of
having
the
honor
of
working
with
my
colleagues,
the
employees
of
the
City
of
Charleston
as
I
am
watching
them
prepare,
be
ready
recover.
A
The
resiliency
of
our
team
is
incredible.
This
was
in
in
in
relative
terms
just
a
dusting
up
from
Hurricane
Ian
I
I
admit,
but
they
were
ready
to
respond
to
whatever
happened,
and
they
would
have
stayed
at
it
until
they
needed
to
to
finish
the
job.
They're,
really
really
an
amazing
team,
and
it's
it's
an
honor
to
work
with,
with
only
y'all.
So
once
again,
I
thank
God.
A
Thank
you
Ben,
so
glad
to
have
you
on
the
team
all
right.
Next,
we've
got
a
a
couple
of
public
hearings
and
the
first
one
up
is
regarding
a
petition
we
received
and
we're
so
we're
following
a
due
process
to
have
a
public
hearing
regarding
a
request
to
close
and
abandon
a
portion
of
North
Sterling
Drive
and
looks
like
we're
going
to
have
a
little
presentation
about
such
and
then
we'll
ask
folks
come
forward
and
give
your
comments.
K
Yes,
thank
you
mayor
good
evening,
everyone,
so
this
will
be
a
very
short
presentation.
This
this
process
was
initiated
in
June
when
we
received
a
petition
from
some
adjacent
neighbors
to
this
particular
roadway,
asking
for
a
closure
or
an
abandonment
of
this
roadway.
It's
you've
got
Fort
Johnson
over
here,
Harbor
View
Road.
K
Those
are
the
two
main
causeways
that
kind
of
frame
this
general
area.
But
if
you
look
on
this
map,
you'll
see
the
slight
turn
in
the
center
with
the
lake
down
here
to
the
bottom.
This
is
the
area
we're
talking
about
it's
18
feet
across
it's
52
feet
in
length,
so
that
is
the
particular
area
that
we're
talking
about
the
initial
petition
started
with
a
request
to
abandon
it
or
close
it
to
prevent
traffic
from
coming
through
this
neighborhood
down,
sweep
a
road
or
down
Sterling
Drive
here
at
the
top
as
well.
K
K
So
at
this
point,
I
think
the
final
petition
we
have
received
from
the
adjacent
Landers
and
landowners
in
October
was
a
request
that
we
potentially
bothered
off
either
side
of
the
street
to
only
allow
pedestrian
or
golf
cart
traffic.
Through
this
process,
staff
has
gotten
a
lot
of
feedback
and
requests
from
CCSD
from
James
Island
from
the
county.
So
what
we
are
suggesting
tonight
is
that
if
you
take
any
action,
it
would
be
to
put
this
back
at
Public
Works
committee
and
allow
staff
to
provide
additional
information
and
potential
suggestions.
L
Mr
Mayor,
if
I
may
I
apologize
I,
just
I
would
like
to
put
that
motion
on
the
floor
just
to
just
so.
Okay.
Thank
you.
We're
gonna
We
would
like
to
send
this
back
to
public
works
for
further
discussion
and
I.
Just
I
would
like
to
emphasize
that
the
city
is
not
considering.
Is
it's
not
considering
abandonment
of
this
road
from
what
we've
received
from
set
from
staff?
L
But
we
would
like
staff
to
answer
our
citizens
questions
and
be
able
to
possibly
give
three
recommendations
in
the
public
works
committee
and
discuss
all
possibilities
with
the
community
residents,
the
town
of
James
Island
and
the
county.
Okay,.
A
Just
a
point
of
order,
we
need
to
have
the
public
hearing
and
then
we
can
take
action
on
on
your
motion.
I
think
we
can
table
it
until
after
our
comments
are
made
all
right.
Thank
you
great.
Thank
you.
So
you
know
we
have
two
ways
to
participate
tonight.
One
is
the
public
hearing
which
actually
didn't
need
to
sign
the
sign
up
sheet,
but
a
number
of
folks
did
sign
up
the
sign
up
sheet
for
our
public
participation.
A
So
we're
going
to
go
through
that
list
first
and
call
out
to
people
who
signed
up
specifically
for
nurse
North,
Sterling
Drive
matter
and
then
we'll
also
just
open
up
the
the
floor
up.
If
anybody
else
wants
to
come
forward
and
speak
about
this
issue,
so
if
y'all
don't
mind,
we've
got
a
number
of
folks
here
we
got
a
lot
of
business
tonight.
Could
I
ask
that
we
just
keep
remarks
to
a
minute
and
I
mean
that's
going
to?
Let
you
let
us
know
whether
you're
for
against
it.
A
That's
for
sure,
and
one
common
thing
we
ask
to
do
that.
We
have
no
like
public
outbursts
or
fraud
or
yelling,
or
anything
like
that.
If
you'd
like
to
ask
people
in
the
audience,
if
they
agree
with
you
or
not,
a
show
of
hands
would
be
appropriate,
but
I
do
ask
that
folks
would
refrain
from
any
kind
of
outbreaks,
so
we'll
go
to
Madam,
Clerk
and
she'll
start
calling
out
names
and
then
we'll
open
up
the
floor
as
well.
M
Good
evening
my
name
is
Michael:
Williams
I
live
at
746
Willow
Lake,
James,
Island,
South,
Carolina
I'd
stand
here
in
opposition
to
the
original
petition
that
proposed
the
closure
of
the
the
road
and
the
dam
I
actually
live
on
the
the
lake.
Just
a
few
doors
down
I
received
zero
notice
of
this.
There
was
Zero
communication
to
this.
M
The
the
whole
thing
is
like
transparency.
At
best,
this
petition
was
poorly
considered
and
worse.
It
was
at
worst
it
was
duplicitous
and
possibly
self-serving.
It
is
foreign.
M
The
general
consensus
of
the
neighborhood
from
what
I
can
tell,
and
the
folks
that
I've
spoken
to
is
that
this
be
sent
back
to
committee
or
sent
back
to
the
neighborhood,
perhaps
better,
and
to
take
the
time
to
fully
consider
the
impact
on
the
neighborhood,
because
many
neighborhoods
feed
into
this
little
strip.
It
is
a
key
artery
for
pedestrians
and
joggers
and
strollers
and
golf
carts.
N
K
And
if
we
could
get
your
name
and
address,
my
name
is
Taylor
long
Graves
I
live
at
699,
Willow
Lake
Road
I'm
at
the
very
end
of
the
dirt
road.
If
you
don't
stop
at
the
stop
sign,
you'll
end
up
in
my
front
yard,
I
use
this
road
regularly
with
my
children,
with
my
husband
not
only
to
go
to
the
park,
but
also
to
go
to
the
yacht
club
to
go
to
Wampler
where
some
of
my
neighbors
and
friends
live.
This
is
a
integral
part
of
our
neighborhood.
K
It's
gorgeous
if
you've
never
been,
there
come,
but
Drive,
slowly
and
carefully
it.
If
anything
changes
it
would
be
changing
history
in
our
neighborhood
I
bought
this
house
with
my
husband
in
2018
because
of
this
dirt
road
I
believe
that
the
ethic
of
the
City
of
Charleston
is
to
promote
the
community's
access
to
the
water.
By
closing
this
in
any
shape
or
form,
you
are
limiting
that
and
doing
the
exact
opposite.
K
O
Foreign
Council,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
My
name
is
Kyle.
Graves
I
also
live
at
699,
Willow,
Lake
Road,
and
you
just
heard
from
the
more
polished
perspective
of
our
household.
But
after
reading
this
petition
in
the
bottom
of
the
night,
if
you
will,
there
are
three
main
things
it
has
to
do
with
dust
accumulation,
the
speed
of
traffic
and
the
condition
of
the
bridge.
I
think
all
of
these
are
addressable
issues.
I
relate
it
to
the
homes
on
the
road.
O
B
Mayor
council
members,
thank
you.
My
name
is
Sandra
Russell
I
live
at
7,
52,
Willow,
Lake,
Road
I
was
concerned
about
the
property
of
the
petitioners,
had
used
South
Carolina
code,
57
910,
which
does
request
the
abandonment
of
the
causeway.
So
I
wanted
to
make
that
clear
that
that
was
requested,
and
so
we
many
of
us,
are
opposed
to
that.
That
road
has
been
there
I've
been
there
almost
30
years.
The
road
was
there
at
the
time
that
I
purchased
my
property.
B
We
were
not
given
any
notice
and
that
code
that
they
used
did
require
that
return
receipt.
Mail
notice
would
be
sent
out
to
the
people
in
the
area
that
it
affected.
So
if
you
look
up
South
Carolina
code
of
laws,
I
have
it
right
here
for
you,
but
it
is
required,
and
so
we
have
not
received
any
kind
of
notice
about
that.
Also.
There
was
a
varying
statements
throughout
the
petition,
but
a
statement
is
not
a
fact
and
there's
no
documentation
or.
B
I'd
like
to
clarify
that
the
intent
of
the
petition
was
not
to
abandon
the
road
and
not
to
abandon
the
causeway,
but
merely
preserve
the
lake
preserve
the
Earth
and
Dam
by
restricting
the
vehicular
traffic
that
has
increased
exponentially
I
understand.
There
was
a
traffic
study
showing
multiple
Vehicles
over
the
course
of
a
weekend.
Trucks
trailers
characterizes
buses,
but
we
assumed
there
was
no
school
bus
and
school
was
not
in
session.
It
is
a
safety
issue
if
the
city
can
assure
us
that
that
Earth
and
Dam
is
safe
to
Traverse.
So
be
it
that's.
B
B
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Nick
salt
marsh
681,
North,
Sterling,
Drive
I'm,
one
of
the
few
properties
that
actually
joined
to
this
to
this
earth
and
Dam,
and
we
are
highly
opposed
to
the
closing
of
this
dam
for
or
this
part
of
the
road
for
various
reasons,
mainly
the
connectivity
to
other
neighborhoods,
but
this
whole
process
you
know
living
and
touching
the
the
piece
of
the
piece
of
road
we
got
noticed
10
days
ago.
We
were
not
confronted
about
this.
We
were
not
consulted
about
this,
so
it
came
as
a
surprise.
B
Secondly,
traffic
has
increased
minimally
since
we've
lived
there,
I've
got
two
small
boys
they
go
out
on.
They
play
in
the
yard
they're
on
the
road
they're
on
the
bikes
and
at
no
point
do
I
fear
for
the
safety
of
my
children.
So
this
the
the
traffic
chords
is
not
really
of
concern.
It
is
a
dirt
road
and
that
restricts
the
speed
of
the
traffic
as
it
is.
O
B
Really
we
are
opposed
of
this
entire.
This
entire
precision.
C
And
I
live
at
657,
Beauregard
Street,
just
down
the
road
from
North
Sterling,
my
husband
and
I
take
both
of
our
small
children
on
walks.
Bike
rides
golf
cart,
rides
and
sometimes
by
car
down
North
Sterling.
C
It
allows
us
to
get
to
Sunrise
Park,
to
Pinckney
Park
and
to
the
James
Island
Yacht
Club,
in
a
safe
manner.
If
this
road
was
to
close,
we
would
have
to
navigate
the
traffic
circle
and
the
much
heavier
traffic
on
Fort
Johnson.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
bring
up
is
I
question
the
Integrity
of
this
traffic
study,
as
my
husband
and
I
witnessed
a
member
living
on
North
Sterling
repetitively,
going
over
the
traffic
since
they're
in
an
effort
to
alter
the
numbers.
That's
it.
Thank
you.
K
Oh
sorry,
you're
on
you're
on
both
lists,
sign
and
yeah
already
spoken
and
I
think
we
have
Francis
McKeever.
H
B
B
I'm
Francis
McKeever
I
live
at
698
Willow
Lake
Road
I'm
a
44
year
resident
of
the
Eastwood
subdivision,
I'm
also
100
disabled
veteran
I've
served
in
three
Wars
Vietnam,
the
first
Gulf
War
and
called
from
retirement
for
the
second
Gulf
War
for
five
years.
I
contracted
Central
local
issemia,
which
is
a
COPD
form
because
I
was
involved
in
the
Gulf
War
oil.
Well,
fires.
B
J
My
name
is
David
Andrews
I'm
at
706,
Clearview,
Drive
I'm,
just
I'll
reiterate
everything
that
has
been
said.
I
would
like
to
know
how
many
people
were
on
the
petition
that
was
put
in
if
that's
available.
The
other
point
I
was
going
to
make
the
roads
closed
down.
Wildwood
is
the
next
direct
route
to
Sunrise
Park
and
our
kids
would
have
to
go
out
on
Fort
Johnson.
J
A
And
the
answer
I
do
believe
the
petition
would
be
available
as
public
records,
so
you
you
would
be
able
to
get
that
from
us
all
right.
Yes,
sir.
Please
come
forward.
A
My
name
is
John
gamble:
I
live
at
519,
Sweet,
Bay
Road,
the
dirt
road
runs
right
into
where
I've
lived,
I've
lived
there
since
1998.
the
dirt
road's
been
accessed
to
Dimitri
Park.
Since
it's
been
there
it'll
cut
a
neighborhood
in
half
and
put
every
kid
on
Fort
Johnson
Road,
which
is
a
main
thoroughfare
to
the
wildlife
department.
It
cuts
the
neighborhood
in
high
and
it
takes
the
community
involvement.
A
You
know
a
lot
of
people
walk,
the
street
run
the
street
and
it's
used
for
vehicular
traffic
as
far
as
safety,
it's
about
a
thousand
year
flood
without
any
problem
safety,
and
that
and
then
in
better
our
neighborhood,
it's
best
to
keep
it
the
public
road
or
Ingress
and
egress
to
the
park.
That's
all
I
need
to
say
thank
you,
sir.
K
Can
we
get
your
name?
Sorry,
Trina,
toberville
and
all
I
want
to
say
is
I
thought
this
was
going
to
be
thrown
out
tonight
because
I
didn't
think
the
petition
was
entered
properly.
But
my
one
thing
I
have
to
say
is
the
traffic
in
the
neighborhood
is
bad
because
of
Dimitri
park
because
it's
not
monitored
the
dirt
road
is
the
only
safe
place.
I
can
walk
on
so
it'd
be
a
shame.
It
was
cut
down
and
also
because
it
connects
us
to
all
our
neighbors.
K
And
was
there
anyone
else
who
would
like
to
speak
all
right?
We
did
receive
some
comments
for
the
public
hearing.
A
petition
was
submitted
to
the
public
service
department
in
support
of
keeping
the
dirt
road
Causeway
on
North
Sterling
Drive
open.
The
petition
was
signed
by
86
people,
28
listed
their
addresses
as
being
within
the
city
52
listed,
their
addresses
were
not
in
the
city
and
six
signatures
did
not
specify
the
public
service
department
also
received
59
comments
opposed
to
the
road
closure.
K
K
K
A
L
Sure,
yes,
I,
would
just
like
to
restate
I
want
to
keep
that
motion
on
the
floor.
To
move
this
back
to
back.
I
would
also
like
to
address
the
process.
Councilmember
seekings
you
and
I
a
similar
situation
with
the
speed
limit.
We
just
worked
on
that.
We
saw
that
in
council
tonight.
L
I
certainly
think
that
we,
this
is
a
process
that
we
should
look
at
and
how
this
came
to
commit.
You
know,
petitioner,
coming
to
committee
coming
to
council
having
the
public
hearing
I
certainly
feel
like
I.
Think
it's
a
great
conversation.
This
community
has
been
having
their
involvement,
has
been
extraordinary,
so
if
there
is
something
that
we
can
improve
upon,
we
can
certainly
do
that,
but
I
would
like
to
discuss
the
process
legal.
If
that's
something
we
can
also
add
to
your
your
plate.
L
But
again,
like
I,
said
I
just
I'd
like
to
keep
that
motion
on
the
floor
to
move
this
back
to
committee.
N
L
D
A
D
Know
I'm
very
forgettable
Julia.
If
you
can
answer
this
one
question
for
me
that
the
story
brought
up.
This
is
something
about
a
dam
that
that
crosses
over
this
Lake.
Thank
you.
K
So
this
is
one
of
the
issues
we're
trying
to
work
out
because
you
know
the
county.
These
are
original,
County,
Roads,
okay,
so
the
county
gave
it
to
the
city
and
we
willingly
took
it
so
the
question
of
whether
or
not
this
is
a
Spillway,
a
dam
or
just
a
pipe
with
a
dirt
road
across
it.
We're
still
trying
to
figure
that
out
a
lot
of
unanswered
questions.
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
asking
for
more
time.
K
This
is
an
interesting
question
and
whether
we're
also
trying
to
work
out
so
the
is
it
Marsh.
What
is
that?
It's
it's
Wetlands
on
the
other
side
of
the
road,
not
the
lake,
but
the
top
okay,
it's
a
homeowners
association
that
is
shown
as
the
owner
of
that
particular
TMS
number.
Now,
whether
or
not
the
homeowners
association
has
been
maintaining
that
I'm,
not
really
sure
to
be
honest
with
you,
we
haven't
gotten
that
far,
but
if
we
do
any
work,
you
know
clearing
any
vegetation
or
anything
from
that
pipe.
P
While
we're
you
know,
looking
at
improving
our
public
notice
procedures,
is
there
a
way
that
maybe
we
can
capture
all
the
emails
that
have
been
sent
a
sorrow
in
this
matter
and
just
keep
like
an
interested
party
notification
lists
just
in
the
interim.
So
we
can
make
sure
that
everybody
that
came
out
here
tonight
is
looped
in
when
it
goes
back
to
committee.
What
actions
are
being
taken,
so
we
can
kind
of
keep
that
a
lot
of
communication
openly
possible.
K
A
F
Listen
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
coming
out
and
the
reason
I
say
that
is
normally
on
something
like
this.
If
people
didn't
show
up,
it
would
be
a
very
eerie
feeling
if
you
only
had
two
three
people
that
turned
out.
So
this
is
a
situation
where
I
really
think
I've
seen
the
road
it
is
pretty.
It
almost
looks
like
something
like
a
part
of
Charlestown
Landing
over
there.
F
A
So
if
I
may
add
a
comment
or
two
I've
been
on
North
Sterling,
Drive
I
was
over
there
invited
by
some
citizens
some
months
ago
regarding
the
potential
development
of
this
parcel
there,
and
the
zoning
allows
one
thing,
but
I
do
believe
the
wetlands
of
that
of
those
Parcels
greatly
limits
anything
that
could
happen
over
there,
which
is
a
good
thing
and
and
then
afterwards,
I
walked
down
the
dirt
road
and
it's
just
beautiful.
A
Over
there
I
mean
y'all
got
a
slice
of
heaven
and
it's
it's
gorgeous
and
and
I
I
want
to
share
with
you
I
I
know
there
might
have
been
some
confusion,
maybe
with
the
original
petition,
and
then
it
was
amended,
and
you
heard
Miss
Murray
say
that
her
intent
was
not
to
shut
everything
off
by
this
petition,
but
to
limit
it
to
bikes
and
pedestrians
and
and
try
to
limit
the
bigger
vehicles
on
the
road
and
and-
and
you
know,
that's
we're
following
a
process
here.
A
I
hope
we
follow
that
correctly
and
we
can
talk
about
that
more
at
the
next
meeting.
But
I
want
to
thank
her
for
bringing
it
Forward,
because
you
know
when,
when
I
became
mayor,
I
was
surprised
to
learn
that
the
city
owned
12
Bridges.
What
are
we
we're
not
in
the
bridge
business,
but
we
happen
to
own
12,
Bridges
and
I
I
have
made
sure
that
we
hired
an
engineering
firm
to
go
out
period
periodically
and
inspect
those
bridges
and
May.
In
fact,
one
of
them
we
did
an
inspection.
A
We
were
finally
getting
ready
to
replace
it
over
on
Daniel
Island,
a
city-owned
bridge.
So
this
this
Causeway
or
Dam
or
whatever
it
really
is.
You
know
it's.
A
We
have
some
responsibility
and
thanks
for
bringing
it
to
our
attention
because
of
the
safety
of
it
is,
is
important
for
all
of
us
and
we'll
do
that,
we're
going
to
drill
down
and
and
and
make
sure
we
check
on
what
our
responsibilities
are,
make
sure
the
passageway
is
safe
for
everyone
and
and
so
out
of
all
this
will
come
a
good
process
and
some
good
discussion,
both
at
committee
and
back
here
so
I
want
to
also
like
council
member
Waring.
Thank
you
all
for
coming.
A
It's
kind
of
it's
kind
of
cool
for
us,
believe
it
not
that
you
know
you're
paying
attention
to
what's
going
on
in
your
neighborhood
and
this
this
is
what
makes
Charleston
such
as
great
and
special
place.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
more
to
come,
but
I
would
say:
let's
just
follow
the
process.
We're
going
to
end
up
with
a
good
result,
I
believe
and
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
we
maintain
what
we're
supposed
to
and
have
have
it
safe
for
everyone.
A
So
we
do
need
to
take
action
on
the
deferral
to
committee.
Any
further
comments,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
oppose
the
eyes.
Have
it.
Thank
you
all
for
being
with
us,
but
stick
around
please
if
you
like.
So
the
next
item
up
for
public
hearing
is
reviewed.
B
A
Next
up
is
our
public
hearing
to
review
and
discuss
draft
redistricting
maps
and
I.
Don't
know
if
we're
going
to
have
another
presentation
on
this
we
had
a
pretty
full
presentation
on
it
at
our
Workshop
meeting
and
and
so
I
think
we'll
just
go
right
into.
If
anybody
has
a
public
comment.
Did
anybody
sign
up
specifically
for
this.
K
A
K
F
N
Yes,
William
Baker,
1715,
Emmetts
road,
then
the
city
limits
over
on
John's
Island
I'm
here
to
ask
the
council
to
vote
for
option
two
on
the
council.
Redistricting
feel
very
very
strongly
about
that.
We
need
a
councilman
that
is
living
residing
and
experiencing
everyday
life
on
John's
Island
I
was
coming
across
5
26
the
other
day
as
an
accident
on
Highway,
17
and
I.
N
Just
punched
in
my
GPS
with
my
home
address,
and
it
said
two
miles
two
miles:
oh
two
miles
out
of
the
crow
flies
but
13
miles
to
get
to
my
home,
driving
and
I.
Tell
you
that,
as
an
analogy,
you
know
we're
in
the
city
we're
experiencing
things
on
a
daily
basis,
but
without
a
representative
in
our
district
we're
miles
and
miles
away
when
decisions
are
made.
So
I
urge
you
to
vote
for
option
two
on
the
redisticking.
N
Q
Left
on
me,
I'm
got
a
little
bit
Slimmer,
so
yeah.
It's
all
that
big
money.
You
guys
make
okay
now
I
about
10
years
ago,
actually,
before
I
ever
knew
that
city
council
really
existed.
Q
There
was
this
redistricting
done
and
from
this
redistricting
District
Five
became
outer
West
Ashley
and
John's
Island,
now
I'm,
the
first
guy.
That's
ever
had
John's
Island
from
the
city
as
such
I
replaced
a
current
District
Five
man,
and
he
was
one
of
the
better
council
members
I
think
we
ever
had
here.
His
name
was
Jimmy
Gallant,
Reverend,
Jimmy,
Gallant
I.
Q
At
that
time.
Oh,
that
we
had
Grand,
Oaks
West
Ashley
we've
been
building
up
Carolina
Bay
and
there
was
a.
We
were
heavy
on
the
west,
Ashley
Side
going
south
since
then
about
a
third
of
it
was
about
a
third
of
it
was
John's
Island,
the
rest
of
it
was
West
Ashley.
Q
Well,
eight
years
later,
I
woke
up
and
all
of
Brownswood
road
is
pretty
well
built
up
now
for
my
5
000
that
I
started
with
or
four
thousand
I'm
now
looking
at
about,
14
000
people
in
my
entire
life
is
running
back
and
forth
between
John's
Island
and
West
Ash
we
had
a
meeting
and
I
believe
it
was
February.
Q
I
was
one
of
Kevin's
first
meetings
when
we
were
across
the
way
at
and
it
came
out,
it
was
part
of
the
526
discussion
as
well,
which
he
just
talked
about,
but
there
were
22
on
pending
subdivisions
on
the
books
that
had
not
even
been
started.
Yet
this
has
been
about
five
to
six
years
ago.
K
Q
All
right,
thank
you
thanks,
Pete
anyway.
Bottom
line
is
I.
I,
agree
100
with
this
guy.
When
we
ran
this
last
time
we
knew
this
day
was
coming
and
it's
it's
here:
okay,
but
guess
what
now
we
got:
15
18
000
City
residents,
plus
watermelon,
Kiowa
Seabrook
and
everybody
else.
Q
Q
Q
John's
Island
is
one
of
the
last
Frontiers
we're
looking
forward
to
the
king,
Hoy
District
on
your
map
and
that's
a
potential
as
a
potential
District
up
on
the
other
side
of
the
cover,
but
guess
what
the
elephant
in
the
room
is:
John's,
Island,
South,
Carolina
and
whether
or
not
you
know
526
happens
or
not
guys.
It's
really
going
to
be
important
to
the
Future
I'm.
So
sorry
I'm
not
out
there
with
you
but
yeah.
You
know
what
retirement
is
not
a
bad
thing.
Q
When
you're
70
years
old,
okay
I
will
tell
you
that
and
I'm
glad
I'm
glad
I
got
a
chance
to
see
you
haven't
met
some
of
y'all
but
Hey
keep
it
up.
Man
and
you
know,
you'll
get
your
hurricane,
yet
you
are
going
to
run
out
of
luck
one
day,
sorry,
by
the
way,
thanks
a.
B
Good
evening
mayor
tackling
bird
council
members,
my
name
is
Marsha
Higgins
I
reside
at
970,
Main
Street
Charleston
I'm
here
this
evening
to
speak
about
option
two
of
the
redistricting
plan.
Our
neighborhood
association
spent
a
lot
of
time
reviewing
it
on
Saturday
at
our
meeting,
and
we
are
concerned
that
Maryville
and
ashleyville
is
split.
One
part
is
in
District
Seven
and
the
other
part
is
in
District
9..
B
B
B
Some
people
call
it
gerrymandering
what
we
would
like
you
to
look
at
it
and
redraw
the
lines
so
that
our
historic
community,
the
town
of
Maryville,
Ashley
Dill,
is
the
side
that's
closest
to
the
Ashley
River.
We
want
to
be
one
community
and
have
one
council
member.
We
do
appreciate
your
consideration
of
this
request.
Thank
you.
Thank.
K
L
Good
evening
Mr
Mayor
members
of
council,
my
name
is
Leslie
skartin
I'm
at
1067
Fort
Johnson,
Road
I
am
the
director
of
advocacy
for
the
League
of
Women
Voters
and
a
constituent
of
District
12.
I'm
joined
again
with
my
colleagues
this
evening
to
speak
in
favor
of
option
two:
it's
logical
from
a
compactness
continuity
perspective
and
keeping
communities
of
Interest
together,
particularly
on
John's
Island,
and
we
know
that
there's
ample
precedent
for
such
District
consolidation
at
both
the
city,
state
and
National
level.
L
This
evening,
I'd
like
to
address
something
that
was
raised
last
week,
which
is
around
fairness,
I
assume
you
all
ran
because
you
thought
it
was
the
best
way
to
serve
your
community.
I.
Also
assume
you
ran
because
you
assumed
it
was
the
best
way
to
serve
your
democracy
and
uphold
our
democracy.
As
we
know,
our
democracy
is
fragile
and
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
to
our
democracy
is
incumbents,
picking
their
voters
and
not
allowing
voters
to
elect
their
representatives.
L
L
B
And
I
spoke
with
Council
and
the
mayor
last
week
about
urging
you
to
vote
for
option
two.
So
I
had
a
whole
speech
here
that
I
was
going
to
give
and
I'm
not
going
to
give,
because
I
saw
that
there
are
two
bills
that
are
going
to
have
a
first
reading
tonight.
Both
of
them
represent
what
the
league
is
in
favor
of
in
terms
of
option.
Two,
we
really
don't
care
whether
District,
3
or
district
6
represents
John's
Island.
B
We're
really
really
happy
that
John's
Island
is
going
to
be
a
separate
District,
so
we
are
here
tonight
to
both
thank
you
for
the
work
you've
done
over
the
last
week
since
the
last
workshop
and
and
we're
excited
that
you're
going
to
have
the
first
reading
and
give
Fair
representation
to
the
people
of
the
City
of
Charleston.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
N
20
2023
for
that
to
occur
doesn't
have
to
occur
tomorrow
or
in
January
we're
willing
to
wait
the.
A
Third
thing
is
from
the
standpoint
of
fairness:
the
current
Council
people
I
think
it's
best
that
it'd
be
numbered.
Numbers
it'd
be
number
three,
so
that
all
council
members
have
a
chance
to
you
know,
have
their
entire
four
years
of
service.
So
we
encourage
you
to
listen
to
John's,
Islanders
and
vote
for
a
single
District.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Good
evening,
I'm
Edith
Hammond
I
live
a
Nature
View
Circle
on
Jones
Island,
and
this
is
a
little
bit:
tongue-in-cheek
representation,
a
taxation
rather
without
representation.
Sometimes
I
thought
was
rather
applicable
to
John's
Island
and
I'm,
really
happy
that
we
are
finally
going
to
get
our
own
representative.
We
have
given
it
a
lot
of
thought
three
versus
one.
B
However,
we
really
would
like
to
have
a
representative
that
actually
lives
on
John's
Island
and
experiences
lives
rather
than
somebody
who
is
further
away
and
doesn't
go
through
what
we
do
through
on
a
daily
basis.
So
I
do
understand.
One
is
a
lonely
number,
but
it
only
is.
If
the
rest
of
you
do
not
wish
to
listen
to
that
number
and
just
walk
over
it,
you
could
have
done
the
same
thing
with
three
really.
We
need
seven
and
I.
Don't
think
we'll
ever
get
that.
K
Good
evening
everybody,
my
name
is
Dr
Patricia,
fair
I'm
at
3956
gift
Boulevard
on
John's
Island,
as.
K
Hi,
my
name
is
Shayna
Howell
I
live
at
294,
Live
Oak
Island,
that's
Bali,
beach,
I
am
not
a
constituent.
I
am
here
spent
the
past
couple
of
years,
really
more
than
two
years
researching
and
advocating
for
fair
maps
with
the
League
of
Women
Voters
of
South
Carolina,
as
the
co-chair
of
their
redistricting
work
group
I'm,
going
to
get
two
minutes
down
into
one
really
quickly
and
just
basically
address
the
concern
of
fairness
that
some
of
the
council
members
had
last
year
and
I
wanted.
Last
week.
K
Sorry,
while
incumbent
protection
is
allowed
as
a
redistricting
criteria
in
South
Carolina,
the
National
Conference
of
State
legislatures
notes
that
in
the
past
two
decades
a
new
criteria
has
emerged
in
many
states,
a
Prohibition
on
favoring
or
disfavoring,
an
incumbent,
candidate
or
party
I
hope.
This
tenant
of
good
government
continues
to
spread
across
state
and
local
governments
and
I
see
the
City
of
Charleston
has
a
wonderful
opportunity
to
be
a
leader
in
this
area,
while
I
see
is
necessary
from
a
good
government
perspective.
K
I
I
know
it's
not
an
easy
choice
to
make,
though,
and
I
want
to
put
forward
one
possibility.
It
may
make
sense
to
number
the
peninsula
District
number
three
so
that
it
will
be
up
for
election
with
odd
number
districts
in
2023
and
the
current
District
3
and
district
6
incumbents
would
both
have
a
chance
to
run,
and
voters
could
make
a
choice
at
that
time.
Then
the
Johns
Island
District
would
be
assigned
six
and
would
have
a
special
election.
K
B
Thank
you,
mayor
and
Council
for
this
opportunity
for
us
to
speak
on
this
subject:
I'm
Vicki
Westberg
also
co-president
for
the
Charleston
area,
League
of
Women
Voters,
and
we
are
thrilled
that
council
is
being
so
transparent
about
this
entire
process.
It's
been
encouraging
to
be
a
part
of
being
listened
to
and
having
our
our
perspectives
appreciated.
We're
urging
the
adoption
of
option
two.
B
It
looks
like
just
reading
the
agenda
tonight
that
there's
been
some
changing
about
of
the
names,
but
option.
Two
is
the
one
we're
looking
for,
and
we
are.
We
appreciate
that
because
it
does
not
focus
on
incumbent
protection
and
just
an
aside.
The
league
is
a
non-partisan
organization,
but
that
does
not
mean
we're
not
political
and
we
observe,
study
and
advocate
for
good
governance
principles,
and
we
consider
this
to
be
one
of
our
highest
priorities.
B
Our
goal
in
redistricting
is
to
ensure
that
those
good
governance
principles
prevail,
and
we
are
thankful
that
you
are
considering
the
options
that
allow
voters
to
choose
their
representatives
and
not
the
other
way
around.
Thank
you.
N
We
are
in
support
of
option
two.
It's
time
that
we
on
John's
Island
have
a
seat
at
the
table.
We
want
a
representative
who
lives
on
the
island,
so
they
know
the
issues,
needs
and
desires
of
residents
understands
the
traffic,
transportation
and
safety
issues,
as
well
as
the
flooding
and
water
issues
like
access
to
water
for
activities.
N
We've
got
smart
plan
growth,
but
also
to
keep
our
Railway
of
life
to
continue
continuation
of
family
farming
and
conservation.
Efforts
are
a
must.
This
is
why
we
would
like
to
see
the
city
and
county
past
ordinances
to
make
the
urban
growth
boundary
a
fixed
line
on
the
maps.
We
understand
that
one
councilman
from
John's
Island
will
require
more
effort
to
support
local
needs
at
the
council,
but
if
we're
doing
the
right
things,
the
decisions
that
should
be
easy
for
everyone
to
agree
on.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
I
Foreign
good
evening,
I'm
Isaac
framer,
the
director
of
Elections
here
in
Charleston,
County
I've,
spoken
with
you
all
before
thankful
to
be
here
in
the
midst
of
election
season.
I
just
want
to
thank
the
mayor
and
Council.
If
you
remember
in
2020,
we
got
parking
at
the
gillyard
center
for
our
voters,
which
created
free
parking,
and
that
is
thanks
to
you
and
the
work
that
you
all
do
and
we're
working
again
for
this
upcoming
election
because
we'll
have
early
voting
starting.
This
is
my
plug
for
everybody.
B
I
I'm
very
thankful
for
this
opportunity,
because
my
ears
perk
up
when
we
talk
about
elections.
For
many
reasons,
one
is
redistricting
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
when
we
get
to
this
part
of
council
tonight,
because
it's
more
than
just
saying
we're
going
to
have
an
election
on
next
date,
because
that's
what
I
care
about
right
now
my
staff
is
preparing
for
November
and
all
gears
are
in
full
mode.
We're
going
anything
that
touches
redistricting.
We
cannot
do
anything
to
any
voters
records
during
this
process.
It
is
important
that
we
know
that.
I
So,
if
you
vote
to
have
an
election
in
early
January,
there
is
no
way
we
can
do
that
in
an
effective
way,
with
touching
every
voter's
record,
sending
them
a
notice
getting
people
even
knowing
that
there's
an
election
happening
in
January,
Councilman
Greg
knows
that
it's
hard
to
tell
people.
You
have
a
special
election
in
January
when
you
have
the
holidays
going
on.
My
staff
is
working
very
hard
right
now
to
ensure
we
have
a
successful
November
election,
but
elections
don't
stop
on
November
8th.
We
have
to
shut
everything
down
from
that
election.
I
I
Special
elections
are
hard
because
we
have
we're
in
schools,
we
need
poll
workers,
we
need
locations
and,
most
importantly,
we
need
voters
to
show
up
and
vote
right.
Our
goal
is
to
make
sure
that
we
have
free
and
fair
elections.
We
have
accessible
elections
having
an
election,
probably
before
your
November
election,
which
will
be
a
city-wide
election
people
will
be
talking
about.
I
It
would
be
the
preferred
method,
so
I'm
happy
to
answer
more
questions
on
that
I'm
thankful
to
come
tonight,
we're
in
the
middle
of
election
planning
and
preparation,
but
I
thought
it
was
very
important
to
be
here
tonight.
So
you
could
hear
from
me
directly
and
know
that
we
are
working
hard
and
we
want
to
have
a
successful
election
coming
up.
I
It
is
not
just
one
day
it
took
us
almost
four
months
to
get
redistricting
done
this
year
for
all
of
Charleston,
County
and
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
in
Beaufort
County
there
was
an
issue
because
of
redistricting
we're
a
candidate
who
filed
for
office
wasn't
their
ballot
when
they
pulled
up,
wasn't
the
right
one?
We
don't
want
that
kind
of
issue.
So
if
we're
rushed
and
we're
moving
very
fast,
it's
going
to
create
a
headache
for
us
in
other
means.
I
A
Did
we
miss
anybody?
Does
anybody
want
to
be
heard
on
this
redistricting
matter
that
wasn't
called
out
all
right,
seeing
no
one?
Well,
the
matter
can
come
to
council,
it's
actually
on
our
agenda
under
first
readings
items
M,
two
and
three.
A
If
it's
the
pleasure
of
council,
we
would
to
take
it
up
right
now.
We
would
need
to
amend
the
agenda
to
do
that.
Correct.
A
K
A
A
S
available
to
to
make
a
motion
on
and
that's
item
M2,
it's
the
first
one
up.
I
think
these
are
both
option
to
match
the
first
one
of
which
that
you
know
there
were
two
options:
one
would
move,
one
District
to
John's,
Island
and,
and
the
other
would
move
one
would
move
option.
District
three
to
John's,
Island
I.
Think
that's
number
two
correct.
K
A
So
so
this
is
kind
of
in
keeping
with
with
what
I
thought
was
a
consensus
at
our
Workshop
that
we
would
basically
decide
the
issue
of
whether
we
were
going
to
move
a
whole
District
to
John's,
Island
or
not,
and
these
were
the
two
options
that
allowed
that
to
happen,
and-
and
so
we
put
them
both
on
the
agenda
for
your
consideration,
council,
member
Greg
and
then
sakron
you're,
good
councilmember
Sacrament.
Thank.
R
A
R
Sir,
so
obviously
both
two
and
three
are
going
to
affect
The,
District,
3
and-
and
you
know
serious
ways
and
I
just
wanted
to
before
we
get
into
debate
and
have
a
discussion
I
think
it's
going
to
be
easier
for
me
to
just
make
my
comments.
I
think
it'll
help
folks
make
an
informed
decision,
so
first
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
Tracy
and
the
hard
work
from
the
city
staff
on
the
on
the
process.
R
R
For
me
and
I've
shared
this
with
the
mayor
and
other
council
members,
I
can't
deny
the
data
that
exists
and
the
population
ships
that
have
occurred
over
the
past
10
years,
significant
growth
in
West,
Ashley,
Johns,
Island
and
Daniel
Island
and
folks
in
those
areas
deserve
Equitable
representation
and
as
someone
who's
co-chaired.
Our
special
Commission
on
Equity
inclusion
and
racial
conciliation
and
who's
currently
co-chairing
our
permanent
Commission
on
human
Affairs
and
racial
conciliation.
My
use
of
the
word
Equitable
is
intentional
equity,
in
my
opinion,
isn't
just
about
race
or
gender.
R
I
support
the
version
which
moves
District
3
to
John's
Island,
which
essentially
creates
a
situation
where
I
no
longer
have
a
district
to
call
home
doing
so,
eliminate
my
ability
run
for
reelection
in
November
23.,
but
I
feel
feel
very
strongly
about
this.
The
taxpayers
and
John's
Island
deserve
Equitable
and
proportionate
representation,
and
that
is
more
important
to
me.
R
I
support,
keeping
District
six
on
the
peninsula
and
allowing
my
colleague
councilman
Gregory
to
fulfill
his
two
years
left
on
his
his
term.
I,
don't
have
any
ill
feelings.
I
believe
this
is
the
best
course
of
action.
Given
the
data
and
the
population.
Ships,
but
I
also
want
to
acknowledge.
I
had
a
conversation
with
with
Dale
a
little
bit
before
the
meeting.
R
I
realized
it
was
jacking
behind
the
scenes
about
what
folks
wanted
to
work
or
they
didn't
want
to
serve
and
I
just
want
to
say,
I'm,
proud,
I
didn't
do
that
so
and
I
said
several
Council
meetings
ago.
The
world
counts
as
the
World
Council.
This
is
just
a
seat.
Obviously,
while
I'm
in
this
seat,
I
want
to
do
the
best
job,
I
can
but
I
was
elected
and
there's
a
new
person.
That's
going
to
come
in
District
three.
R
Having
said
all
this,
I
do
want
to
say
that
I
would
like
to
provide
an
opinion
on
on
John's
Island,
whether
it's
one
two
or
three,
and
it's
just
an
opinion
having
served
here
for
for
two
and
a
half
years
and
understanding
the
dynamic
that
works
on
Council
I
actually
think
The
Sweet
Spot
is
two
so
I'm
trying
to
build
consensus
from
the
legislative
standpoint.
Remove
an
item
on
the
agenda
as
John's
Island
was
specific.
It's
tremendously
tremendously
tremendously
helpful
to
have
someone
that
shares
those
interests
and
I
get
that
folks
are
saying
about.
R
Have
a
single
member
districts,
but
be
careful
what
you
ask
for,
and
councilman
Waring
says
it
best.
One
is
a
lonely
number
I'm
just
giving
you
advice,
I
understand
the
the
request,
but
my
opinion
too
is
a
sweet
spot
and
for
the
record-
and
this
is
something
that
I
think
it's
missed
as
it
currently
stands.
Nobody
living
on
John's
Island
has
been
precluded
from
running
for
a
City
Council
seat.
A
Is
that
in
the
form
of
a
motion
to
accept
item
number
M2?
Yes,
is
there
a
second?
Is
there
any
further
discussion.
F
N
I,
don't
know
why,
but
anyway,
first
off
it
can't
be
easy.
What
you
just
did
I
mean
all
of
us
sitting
on
this
table,
take
a
point
of
pride
in
representing
our
constituents
and
being
a
part
of
the
city.
It's
the
greatest
honor
I've
ever
had
in
my
life
and
to
voluntarily
step
up
and
give
that
seat
up.
You're
a
better
man
than
me
and
I
just
got
to
say,
really
admire
you
for
doing
that.
I
really.
N
That
being
said,
and
if
we're
heading
to
a
single
member
district
on
John's
Island
number
three
on
which
it
looks
like
we
are
I've
got
a
couple
questions
that
I
would
like
to
ask.
First
Mr
Kramer.
S
N
The
extent
that
we're
going
to
give
first
reading
tonight
to
a
version
of
a
map
that
puts
a
district
on
John's
Island
and
leaves
council
member
Sacrament
without
a
district,
it
is
going
to
be
finalized
in
October
of
2022..
If
we
give
it
first
reading
tonight
and
second
and
third
reading
at
our
next
meeting,
all
right
about
that
you've
come
here
tonight
and
told
us
elections
hard.
We
get
that
running.
Elections
are
hard,
I
understand.
That
is
what
you're
telling
us.
N
It
affects
everybody
around
here,
particularly
those
odd
member
districts
who
they're
going
to
be
up
for
election
in
November
and
they're,
not
going
to
get
a
settle
into
their
new
District.
Maybe
until
I
don't
know
whatever
date,
we
say
the
snap's
gonna
be
effective,
maybe
the
day
before
election
day.
So
you
know
I.
My
preference
would
be
if
we're
going
to
do
this
to
put
the
map
effect
as
quickly
as
possible,
because
I
think
it's
the
right
thing
to
do,
and
we've
always
done
that.
A
Well,
I'd,
like
two
responses:
Julia,
if
you
don't
mind
coming
forward
as
well
and
and
then
Isaac
I'd,
be
interested
to
hear
your
response
and
I'll
do
caution.
I
do
believe
a
legal
counsel
is
going
to
advise
us
to
have
one
more
public
hearing
and
so
to
give
proper
notice
on
that.
K
K
A
Right
and
if,
if
you
would
allow
me
council
member
to
let
the
gentleman
from
the
County
election
commission
respond
specifically
to
to
the
availability
or
the
possibility
of
doing
that,
but
I
would
like
to
remind
Council
I
think
the
comment
was
made
by
councilmember
Waring
at
our
last
meeting.
That
Everybody
in
the
city
is
represented
right
now,
there's
no
there's
no
lapse
in
representation.
Everybody's
got
a
council
member.
I
Yes,
so,
as
you
all
know,
City
of
Charleston
is
our
biggest
municipality
in
Charleston
County.
It's
about
120,
000
voters,
you're
going
to
affect
40
percent
I.
Believe
looking
at
the
maps
of
redistricting,
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
confusion
about
who's.
In
what
district
I
can
tell
you
from
my
experience
with
redistricting,
it's
not
a
one-month
process,
there's
so
much
back
and
forth,
with
GIS,
with
we'll
be
talking
with
Tracy,
pretty
much
daily,
making
sure
we
have
every
single
person,
I
mean
what
was
different
about
redistricting.
This
past
year
was
Congressional.
I
I
It's
going
to
be
a
big
deal
for
this
and
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
notifying
folks
and
that
took
us
a
four-month
process
of
this
year
and
I'm
thinking
it's
going
to
be
similar
because
we
just
have
so
many
more
my
new
there's
minutia
there,
and
then
we
have
city
of
North
Charleston,
also
going
through
the
same
thing
with
redistricting.
They
haven't
even
gone
through
this
this
process
yet,
and
there
are
other
municipalities
in
South
Carolina
that
are
extending
the
the
special
elections
that
would
be
happening
to
the
normal
municipal
election.
I
It
is
my
opinion
that
special
elections
outside
of
the
normal
scheduled
elections,
actually
you
have
a
decrease
in
voter
turnout.
Less
people
know
that
there's
an
election
and
it's
something
that
all
counties
in
South
Carolina
this
year
will
be
pushing
for
with
our
state
legislature
that
we
have
actual
quarterly
either
quarterly
elections
or
elections
that
we
everyone
knows.
It
falls
on
this
Tuesday,
so,
whether
that's
November
or
July,
that's
up
to
council
I'm.
Just
saying
I've
heard
conversations
because
I've
been
paying
attention.
I
I've
been
watching
these
Council
meetings,
because
every
time
we
talk
about
elections,
my
ears
perk
up
and
if
January
February,
March
I
think
that's
very
soon
and
I
want
to
make
sure
our
staff
is
able
to
do.
And
it's
not
just
me
it's
Berkeley,
County
too
so
Berkeley
County
has
less.
Staff,
has
less
less
resources,
but
they're
also
impacted
because
now
they'll
have
two
council
districts
on
Daniel
Island,
not
just
one
they'll
have
two,
so
that
affects
a
lot
of
people.
I
Well,
the
first
thing
will
be
to
redistrict
those
voters,
so
we
have
to
look
at
every.
We
have
to
look
at
the
map.
We
have
to
look
at
the
overlay.
I
have
someone
in
our
GIS
and
our
staff,
who
will
look
and
map
that
with
everything,
then
we
will
do
a
comparison.
There
will
be
errors.
There
always
are
that's
how
it
is,
there's
always
errors,
and
then
we
have
to
go
back
and
correct
those,
but
we're
not
touching
voters
records
in
the
middle
of
an
election
and
even
post-election
which
will
be
in
November.
I
We
people
are
going
to
go
online,
they're,
gonna,
say
they're
going
to
be
confused
and
then
they're
going
to
say
we're
doing
something
behind
the
scenes.
We're
not
doing
that
and
then,
after
that,
we're
going
to
have
to
then
notify
those
voters
affected.
I
know
that
you
all
want
that.
We
did
that.
If
you
remember,
we
sent
out
a
postcard
to
all
Charleston
County
voters.
You
may
have
gotten
one
that
takes
work
that
takes
prepping
that
takes
proofing,
and
then
we
will
get
hundreds
of
phone
calls
about
that
postcard.
I
Our
office
will
and
they'll
say
we're
angry
we're
mad,
we'll
say
we're
just
notifying
you
about
the
changes.
That's
all
we're
doing,
and
we
got
that
during
this
year
and
that's
we're
just
here
to
do
our
job.
We
want
to
make
sure
people
are
informed
about
where
they
are,
then
we
have
to
notify
all
the
polling
locations
recruit.
All
the
poll
workers
for
that
special
election
and
yes,
John's
Island.
I
It's
going
to
be
a
significant
District,
so
you're
talking
what
14,
000
folks
they'll
be
eligible
to
vote
and
then
we'll
be
having
to
have
an
election
and
we'll
make
sure
that
every
pla
then
we
have
early
voting
absentee
voting
opens
up.
So
it's
a
long
process.
It's
not
just
tomorrow.
We
have
an
election.
Thank.
N
N
I
just
want
to
let
you
know,
I
didn't
call
you
but
I'm,
one
of
those
people
who
got
that
card
and
I'm
not
so
happy
with
it
either
by
the
way,
so
I
think
that
I'm
glad
that
the
city
is
doing
what
it's
doing,
because
I
do
think
we're
actually
listening
to
the
voters
and
giving
what
they
want,
because
one
went
through
redistricting
on
a
couple
of
other
levels.
I
never
heard
from
anybody
until
I
got
your
card
and
it
was
done
deal.
So.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
I've
forgotten,
who
was
next
council
member
Mitchell?
Do
you
want
to
go
next.
F
No
I,
you
know
I
know
this
is
a
rough
situation
would
be
going
through
the
night,
but
I
have
to
applaud
councilman
exactly.
This
is
something
that
I
did
back
in
2000.
same
thing.
We
have
you're
doing
tonight,
I
have
done
it
and
I
stayed
Alpha,
Council
and
I
got
off,
because
my
district
was
very
slow.
Another
District
and
I
bowed
out
because
the
way
I
am
I
said
I'm
not
going
to
run
against
another
colleague
I'm
not
going
to
run
against
another.
F
F
F
That's
the
that's
the
key
to
everything.
Doing
what
you
know
is
you
feel
that
is
correct
and
right
and
that's
what
I
think
he's
doing
today.
He
felt
it.
He
knows
that
his
colleague
just
ran
and
was
elected.
He
knows
that
the
seat
that
he
is
sitting
in
well,
it's
not
our
seat
anyway,
but
the
seat
that
he's
sitting
in
representing
the
people
in
District
three.
F
You
know
that
that
particular
district
is
going
to
be
up
next
year,
so
I
think
he
thought
about
it,
and
he
made
this
decision
not
applauding
for
making
that
that
decision
he
made.
You
know
because
he's
doing
a
marvelous
job,
but
he
made
that
decision
and
I
have
to
plot
him.
For
that
and
I
did
it
so
I
know
where
he's
coming
from,
because
I
did
myself.
F
To
make
a
lot
did
the
same
thing
you
step
out,
stayed
up
and
that's
our
councilman
Lewis
stayed
on
the
house.
So
we're
doing
the
same
thing.
It's
the
same
reaction
going
over
and
over
again
same
thing
happened,
but
somebody
got
to
have
that
Parts
within
himself.
That's
saying:
hey
I'm,
doing
what
the
master
wanted
me
to
do
and
looking
at
me
as
an
individual
and
what
is
the
right
thing
to
do,
and.
F
E
F
F
Thank
you,
councilmember
Mitchell
and
councilman
Sacrament,
the
Integrity
that
you
just
saw
displayed
by
both
of
these
gentlemen
and
in
particular
councilman
sacrament.
F
One
of
the
things
I'd
like
to
speak
to
is,
and
I
I
said.
I
did
say
the
thing
about
one
being
the
loneliest
number,
but
I
can
tell
you
one
of
the
things
with
all
due
respect:
Ms
Higgins,
the
Asheville
Maryville
area
has
enjoyed
the
privilege
of
having
three
council
members
represent
them
and
when
those
issues
came
forward,
the
Integrity
of
councilmember
Sacrament,
councilmember,
Shaheed
and
myself
came
to
this
Council
25
percent.
F
To
get
when
streets
needed
to
be
paved
The
Greenway
needed
to
be
improved.
Police
protection
needed
to
be
increased,
Higgins
peer,
Appropriations,
the
Carl
Richardson
Park
that
we
all
now
so
proud
of
I
can
remember
meeting
in
the
overgrown
area
with
councilmember
sacrament
councilmember.
F
Senator
kimson
Mr,
kronsberg
and
the
day
I
would
say
in
another
month
or
so
we're
going
to
cut
the
ribbon
on
something.
That's
going
to
preserve
history
for
all
to
see
right
across
from
the
birthplace
of
South
Carolina.
Doing
that
as
one
person
I
wouldn't
say
it
couldn't
have
been
done.
F
But
I
can
just
tell
you
it's
a
lot
easier
when
you
got
people
of
Integrity
working
around
the
table
on
your
behalf,
so
that
after
councilmember
Sacrament
got
sworn
in,
and
you
may
remember
this
council
member,
we
had
a
little
reception
in
Washington
Park
next
door
and
I
I
saw
his
father
and
I
came
up
to
congratulate
them
and
I
got
obviously
councilmember.
Sacklin
was
very
happy,
but
he
wasn't
happier
than
his
father.
Okay
and
that's
an
experience.
F
I
had
shared
with
my
father
when
I
got
elected
and
certainly
he
had
actually
served
on
Council
and
it's
something
that
you
carry
on
for
a
lifetime.
That
experience.
J
F
And
that's
not
selfish,
that's
the
epitome
of
Integrity,
so
I
definitely
want
to
thank
you.
There's
a
kinship
Brotherhood,
a
Sisterhood
when
you're
serving
these
bodies.
On
behalf
of
other
that
you
carry
with
you
for
a
lifetime,
whether
you're
in
office
or
not.
So
frankly,
you
made
it
easier
for
your
friends.
Thank
you.
Councilman
Zachary.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
my
Mediterranean
brother
you've
made
us
all
very
proud
tonight
and.
D
Tell
you
your
integrity
and
your
dignity
speaks
volumes,
and
it's
it's
up
there
with
the
highest
regard
for
all
of
us,
which
you
just
said
tonight.
D
D
There's
seven
new
faces
on
here,
which
means
that
the
Democratic
process
works
very
well,
so
to
speak
and
new
faces
come
along
and
we've
seen
that,
with
some
new
faces
on
on
this
Council
I
propose
a
new
map
to
look
at
other
alternatives
because
John's
Highland,
you
all,
have
been
Bruce
Lee
underrepresentative
for
the
past
10
years
or
so,
and
and
you
look
at
the
planning
commission's
numbers,
the
group
on
John's,
Island
and
Marvin
Wagner
said
it
very
well.
D
D
So,
what's
going
to
happen
is
if
you
look
at
the
numbers,
you
could
be
underrepresented
again
within
that
time
frame,
and
that,
for
me,
is
a
huge
problem
on
deciding
to
just
give
you
one
representative
on
John's
Island,
because,
as
councilman
wearing
has
said
repeatedly
and
as
other
council
members
have
mentioned,
you
do
need
to
have
a
coalition.
This
little
part
of
Charleston
called
Maryville
ashleyville
is
one
of
the
most
historically
significant
areas
in
our
city
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
D
It's
one
of
the
most
important
historical,
significant
areas
in
our
city
and
the
three
of
us
have
worked
together
and
we've
collaborated
to
ensure
the
Integrity
of
that
neighborhood.
It's
so
important
to
us
to
what
we
need
to
go
over
there.
You,
in
spite
of
what
segan
said,
you
don't
need.
One
representative.
D
You
need
three
probably
need
four
right
honestly,
because
there's
a
continuing
fight
of
all
the
issues
that
are
taking
place
in
this
very
tiny
little
village
of
West,
actually
the
city
because
of
all
of
its
historical
significance
and
its
ongoing
Heritage
that
exists
over
there.
When
we
had
our
Workshop
last
week,
it
was
a
very
first
time
and
I've
been
complaining
about
this.
It
was
the
very
first
time
I
got
to
hear
from
them
and
from
the
legal
woman.
D
The
state
of
South
Carolina
is
very
fortunate
for
a
lot
of
reasons,
but
this
process
with
Isaac
there's
Isaac
the
process
that
we
have
in
the
elections
in
South
Carolina
is
different
than
other
states.
It's
not
it
is
the
the
process
has
worked
on
a
non-partisan
basis
and
legal
women's
voters
are
very
initial
instrumental
in
making
sure
that
happens
with
your
office.
Isaac
is
nonpartisan
and
we've
seen
throughout
the
country.
D
This
huge
Trend
to
make
elections
participate
and
nothing
can
be
more
worse
or
more
challenging
to
our
democracy
of
a
threatening
free
elections
in
a
weirdest,
non-partisan
we're
also
very
lucky
in
the
City
of
Charleston
that
we
have
single
number
districts.
If
you
look
at
our
brothers
and
sisters
across
the
river
on
Goose,
Creek,
Mount,
Pleasant
and
other
areas,
they
don't
have
signal
limitations
and
it
is
one
group,
one
area:
one
geographic
area
dictates
the
rest
of
the
of
the
city,
so
it
is
critically
important.
D
D
My
vote
whenever
I
decided
how
to
vote
tonight.
I
want
you
to
hear
me
very
loudly
because
I'm
not
opposed
to
John's
Island
having
a
resident
live
on
John's
Island,
when
I'm
looking
for
is
to
make
sure
that
John's
Island
has
more
than
adequate
representation
and
I
really
do
believe.
There's
a
process.
We
can
go
through
to
make
sure
that
there
are
at
least
two
city
council
members
who
represent
all
our
portion
of
John's.
To
me,
that's
most
political,
but
this
process
that
we're
going
through,
we
I
think
we're
all
very
all
here.
D
Conscientious
of
that
I
think
y'all
for
being
here.
That's
listening
to
y'all
into
the
legal
Women
Voters
for
their
input
on
this
is
me,
is
vitally
critical,
I
understand
now
we
will
have
another
public
hearing
on
this
and
maybe
in
November
and
we'll
see
what
this
leads
us
on
that,
but
I.
Thank
you
all
for
the
attention
and
to
the
council
member
sack
and
for
your
comments
earlier
tonight.
Thank
y'all
thank.
G
Yes,
thank
you.
Mr
Mayor
I
apologize
I'm
battling
a
little
bit
of
a
cold
tonight,
but
I
want
to
thank
League,
Women
Voters
and
the
folks
from
John's
Island
from
for
coming
out
tonight.
G
You
know
one
of
the
things
when
I
first
got
elected
and
I
started
meeting
with
with
folks
on
John's
Island,
and
it
was
a
common
refrain
was
you
know
we
appreciate
what
you're
doing
but
we'd
really
like
to
have
our
own
person
and
I.
You
know
I
I.
The
point
is
well
received
that
you
know
someone
someone
could
have
run
had
they
had
they
wanted,
but
the
previous
mathematical
demographics
would
have
made
that
unlikely
anyway,
because
the
district
was
tilted
towards
outer
West
Ashley
anyway.
G
So
I
say
all
that
to
say.
I
want
to
ask
my
colleagues
to
support
a
single
member
district
for
Johns
Island.
It's
something
I've
heard
throughout
my
two
and
a
half
years
on
Council,
as
we've
gone
through
and
talked
about
it
that
they
want
a
neighbor
to
represent
them.
They
want
someone
that
you
know
goes
to
the
grocery
store
that
they
see.
That
gets
stuck
on
Main
Road
that
gets
stuck
on
Maybank.
They
want
somebody
there
that
experiences.
G
Those
struggles
experiences
some
of
the
you
know,
flood
issues
that
happen
that
are
unique
to
John's
Island,
the
Watershed
issues
that
are
unique
to
John's
Island,
and
this
gives
them
that
opportunity
for
someone
to
have
the
opportunity
to
step
up
and
run
and
I
think
you
know.
I
ran
against
former
council
member
Wagner,
but
I
do
think
that
he
pointed
out
accurately
that
you
know
this.
This
day
was
coming.
We
we
knew
it.
I
mean
this.
G
But
when
I
was
running
almost
now
three
years
ago,
I
was
seeing
councilmember,
Rappel
and
councilmember
Sacrament
more
than
I
was
seeing
my
wife
at
some
points
during
the
campaign
process.
I
think
we've
all
kind
of
been
there
and
it's
always
been
a
kind
of
tight-knit
group
between
councilmember,
Rappel
and
councilmember
Sacrament
and
myself.
Because
of
that
and
when
councilman
recycling
went
to
his
runoff
I
supported
him
in
that
and
it
was
you
know,
the
actions
tonight
I
think
councilmember
that
you
demonstrated
I
was
proud
to
support.
G
You
then
I'm
even
more
proud
to
support
you
now
and
I
think
you
showed
why
I
had
faith
in
you
and
why
the
voters
had
faith
in
you
as
well,
and
you
know
I
commend
you
for
that.
I,
don't
know,
I
agree
with
councilman
seekings.
It
would
take
a
lot
of
soul
searching
for
us
around
the
table
and
to
to
be
able
to
do
that
as
well.
G
But
you
know
I
think
it's
a
testament
to
your
character
and
your
integrity
and
also
just
the
the
willingness
that
you
know
through
the
time
of
your
service
coming
to
an
end
in
November
that
you're
opening
up
the
opportunity
for
another
section
of
the
city
to
be
able
to
elect
someone
of
their
choice,
and
you
know
I
commend
you
for
thinking
that
way
and
for
doing
that
and
when
I
asked
my
colleagues
to
support
that
as
well.
Thank
you
thank.
Q
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
you
know,
I
also
want
to
say
you
know.
Honorable,
and
you
know
that
is
I
know
it's.
It
has
to
be
tough,
I,
I
can't
imagine
being
in
that
situation.
So
thank
you,
councilman
saffron
for
that.
I
also
just
want
to
say
to
the
people
of
John's
Island
that
I
know
that
councilman
Brady
and
councilman
Wagner
had
your
best
interest
in
mind
the
whole
time
they
served.
Q
You
I
I
knew
that
from
discussions
that
we've
had
and
and
I
know
that
in
the
way
that
they
fought
for
you
right
here
on
this
floor,
so
you
did
have
representation
I,
you
know,
I
I
will
say.
Q
I
I
know
that
councilman
Brady
said
it
may
have
been,
may
have
been
swayed
a
little
bit
West
Ashley
in
the
last
election,
but
I
believe
that
if
John's
Island
would
have
had
a
representative
representative
who
would
have
stepped
up
and
run
for
that
seat,
you
had
just
as
good
an
opportunity
as
either
one
of
the
candidates
that
was
there
and
I.
Think
you
had
a
a
good
chance.
Councilman
Brady
came
out
on
top.
Q
He
was
the
stronger
one,
but
I
believe
that
if
John's
Island
would
have
had
a
representative
with
the
concerns
that
John's
Island
has
I
believe
you
could
have
won
that
race
or
had
at
least
as
good
an
opportunity
as
councilman
Brady
did
when
I
look
at
this
option
to
obviously
that
that's
what
the
people
of
John's
Island
want,
but
as
I've
looked
at
it,
I've
tried
to
look
at
what's
best
for
my
constituents
and
what's
best
for
West
Ashley
option.
Q
Two
to
me
is
clearly
the
best
choice
because
it
tightens
up
those
districts,
it
kind
of
does
what
the
Johns
Island
people
are
asking
for
for
John's
Island.
It
puts
our
Representatives
more
in
the
middle
of
the
districts
when
you
look
at
those
Maps,
so
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
vote
for
option
two
on
here,
because
it's
what
John's
Island
wants
but
I
feel
like
it's
what's
best
for
West
Ashley
as.
H
J
But
I
feel
like
I've,
owe
you
a
debt
of
gratitude
for
keeping
us
having
to
boost
this
out
tonight.
That
was
a
magnanimous
gesture
and
took
a
lot
of
Courage
I'd
like
to
say,
I'd
be
able
to
do
the
same
thing,
but
you
certainly
set
a
great
example
for
all
of
us
around
this
table
when
that
time
may
come,
which
isn't
that
long
that
far
away,
so
it's
it's
2022
right
now,
Mr
Kramer
the
way
I
understand
this.
J
We
are
at
best
looking
at
Sometime
Late
2023,
when,
when
this
new
election
might
take
place,
so
I
came
here
tonight
with
the
intention
of
saying
that,
if
we're
going
to
do
this,
let's
move
forward
with
it
now
I
understand.
There
are
logistical
issues
with
voter
registration,
but
having
just
been
through
a
special
election
and
I
will
also
be
up
for
re-election
and
a
a
year
and
a
month,
I
would
like
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
the
time
frame.
J
J
J
and
and
we're
only
six
years
away
then
from
another
census.
So
I
guess
the
last
thing
I
would
say
is
that
I
hope
in
the
future
we
figure
out
a
way
to
do
this
more
efficiently
and
and
hopefully,
maybe
coincide
a
little
bit
better
with
a
a
more
near-term
election,
so
Mr
Kramer.
That
being
said,
what
what
is
the
earliest?
That
I
mean
my
understanding?
The
way
you
explained
it
is,
you
would
recommend
us
wait
until
November
2023.
I
I
I
know
that
this
body
here
has
had
a
lot
of
special
elections
and
I
can
tell
you
that
having
a
special
election
for
John's,
Island
or
whatever
I
don't
care.
What
honestly
I
don't
care?
What
map
you
all
Pat,
I,
really
don't
it
doesn't
we're
going
to
get
the
job
done?
We
will
do
it,
but
what
I
do
care
about
is
the
fact
that
10
voter
turnout,
nobody
knows
that
there's
an
election
going
on
and
you
do
it
in
January
or
you
do
it
in
April.
I
That's
not
a
normally
scheduled
election
for
City
of
Charleston
next
year,
and
this
is
just
Isaac
Kramer
speaking
I
live
in
the
city
of
Charleston,
too
I
live
in
West
Ashley
councilman
shealy
is
my
rep
is
my
representative,
my
councilman
sorry,
my
wife
went
to
school
with
or
actually
Ashland
was
anyway
I'm
digressing
trying
to
try.
But
my
point
in
all
this
is
selfishly
for
as
a
voter
and
I
know
this,
because
I'm
talking
with
colleagues
across
the
country
who
are
in
election
Administration,
the
facts
are:
are
there,
voter
turnout
is
extremely
low.
I
I
I'm,
just
saying
that
I
think
as
a
voter
as
as
a
councilman
or
a
councilwoman,
you
would
want
to
have
the
most
people
participating
in
that
election.
I
It
is
something
that
people
have
said
across
the
aisle,
the
more
and
this
happens
in
South
Carolina.
We
have
an
election
every
Tuesday
in
South
Carolina
and
that
creates
voter
fatigue
and
I'm
going
to
guarantee
you
I'm
just
predicting
next
year.
We
may
have
somebody
here
who
moves
away
to
Hawaii
has
retires
to
the
sunsets
and
I'm
going
to
leave
Council
we're
gonna
have
a
special
election
within
13
weeks,
so
that
that
could
happen.
We
could
have
another
election
just
around
the
corner
from
a
scheduled
election
in
April
or
May.
I
So,
with
all
those
things
considered,
we
can
make
the
decision.
I
say
we
because
I'm
on
your
team,
we
can
make
the
decision
to
have
the
election
in
November
of
2023..
It's
going
to
have
the
most
voter
turnout.
You
already
have
the
election
scheduled
on
the
calendar.
This
is
not
something
that's
new
to
this
city.
I
It's
happening
all
across
the
South
Carolina
right
now,
with
redistricting
I
personally
believe
to
have
the
most
voter
turnout
to
have
the
best
possible
election
within
with
advance
notice,
because
everyone's
going
to
be
talking
about
it,
you're
going
to
have
the
better
participation
for
next
November.
J
J
Sure,
I
guess
the
last
point
I
would
make
is
let's
please
move
forward
with
the
maps
as
they're
drawn
now
no
more
fiddling
with
adding
another
person
on
John's
Island,
the
the
way
the
maps
are
drawn.
Now
we
should
move
forward
with
them
in
in
in
their
current
state
option,
1A
or
two
or
whatever
we're
calling
it
as
and
I
say
that
speaking
as
someone
who
currently
represents
the
Cain
Hoy
peninsula
and
the
French
Quarter,
which
so
I
I,
certainly
understand
the
challenge
associated
with
that.
Thank
you.
Mr
Mayor.
M
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
it's
sort
of
incredible
to
me
that
people
don't
have
faith
in
our
elections
in
this
country.
After
hearing
somebody
like
Mr
Kramer
speak
and
the
league
for
participating
and
councilmember
Sacrament
for
making
a
selfless
decision
about
what
was
what
was
best
for
his
constituents
and
I'll
keep
his
ego
in
check
and
not
not
praise
him
any
further
than
that.
M
But
you
know
we
talked
about
10
years
ago.
People
saw
that
this
date
was
coming
I'd
like
to
think
about.
What's
going
to
happen
in
10
years
from
now
and
I'm
not
proposing
changing
the
maps,
I
foresee
a
lot
of
the
problems
that
we're
dealing
with
now
getting
worse
and
there's
a
lot
of
ways.
M
We
can
solve
that
I
I,
don't
want
to
get
councilman
Rappel
started
on
on
those
sorts
of
things,
but
I
receive
making
notes,
I'm
worried
about
what
might
come
next,
but
in
in
all
seriousness
in
in
council
member
shade
mentioned
it.
M
If
yeah
God
knows
how
many
times
we've
talked
about
this
ago,
I
think
we
need
more
people
I
think
we
need
more
council
members
a
a
day
is
coming
when
we
cannot
effectively
represent
the
number
of
people
that
we
are
going
to
be
asked
to
represent,
and
you
know
I
just
sort
of
want
to
put
the
marker
down.
That's
that's
a
conversation
we
have
absolutely
got
to
have
in
the
future,
but
I
I
firmly
agree
with
you
know,
sort
of
what
everybody
else
said.
M
I
actually
came
here
intending
to
vote
for
something
different
than
what
council
member
Sacrament
has
asked
for.
So
you
know
careful
what
you
wish
for
kind
of
thing,
but
I.
You
know
I
totally
agree
that
we've
talked
about
this
enough.
This
is
by
far
the
most
I
think
I
have
weighed
in
on
it,
but
I.
M
You
know
I,
think
I,
think
we've
got
to
move
forward
with
this
I
think
we
have
something
that
is
constitutional,
that
plenty
of
people
have
weighed
in
on
that
does
Justice
to
our
to
our
citizens
and-
and
we
need
to
move
forward
with
this,
but
we
also
need
to
start
looking
to
the
Future
and
and
have
have
a
plan
for
the
day.
That's
coming
and
it'll
probably
come
much
sooner
than
10
years
from
now.
Thank.
B
B
B
B
A
Peace,
thank
you,
council
member,
so
we
have
on
the
floor
a
motion
to
approve
from
first
readings
M2,
which
is
known
as
option
two
alternate
1A.
A
The
net
effect
would
be
to
move
District
3
to
John's
Island
and
create
a
single
District
on
John's
Island
I
do
want
to
make
a
comment
before
we
wrote
about
the
timing,
but
before
I
do
that
many
beautiful
things
have
been
said:
I
just
want
to
Echo
those
Jason
I
believe
you've
shown
beautiful
example
of
selflessness
and
I
respect
you
to
to
the
hill
as
a
public
servant
and
as
a
gentleman,
and
and
thank
you
for
for
your
service
to
the
City
of
Charleston
during
your
term
here,
but
by
your
selfless
motion
here
tonight
now
regarding
the
timing,
I
I
do
think
from
a
logistical
point
of
view.
A
It's
it's
probably
easier
to
include
it
when
we
have
the
regular
election.
I
I
certainly
believe
you'll
have
a
higher
turnout,
it'll
be
a
city-wide
election
next
year,
but
from
Equity
perspective
you
know.
One
of
the
main
reasons
that
Jason
gave
us
tonight
for
his
motion
was
that
councilmember
Gregory
should
be
allowed
to
serve
out
his
four-year
term
that
he
just
got
elected
to
whenever
it
was
last
last
general
election.
A
Isn't
it
fair
that
council
member
Sacrament
be
allowed
to
serve
out
his
four-year
term,
and
that
would
be
till
next
November
and
so
I
think
from
a
sense
of
fairness.
I
know
we
like
to
move
forward,
but
I
would
respectfully
ask
us
to
approve
the
motion,
as
is
which
I
believe
would
make
it
effective
for
an
election
next
November.
Isn't
that
correct,
Miss,
Miss
Copeland,
that's
correct,
council
member.
R
Sacrament
I
do
have
one
more
clarifying
question,
obviously
I'm
supporting
number
two
but
I'm
supporting
number
two,
and
does
that
also
include
supporting
the
single
member
district
for
John's
Island,
meaning
that
there's
going
to
be
one
representative
I
thought
we
were
going
to
have
a
discussion.
A
On
the
the
map
would
the
approval
of
this
motion
would
approve
the
map
that
showed
a
single
single
District
on
John's
Island,
with
one.
K
Purpose
of
the
public
hearing
is
presently
and
correctly,
if
I'm
wrong
here
Jennifer,
the
three
maps
that
are
that
were
listed
or
posted
for
the
public
hearing
tonight
do
not
actually
show
this
option
that
you
are
adopting.
The
third
option
should
both
so
in
the
interest
of
fairness
and
transparency.
We
thought
it
would
be
best
to
show
the
map
that
we
just
had.
First
reading
on
for
public
Hearing
in
the
November
meeting.
A
D
D
Which
is
option
two?
Yes,
we
vote
no.
For
that,
then,
don't
we
have
as
a
Novo
the
opportunity
to
come
back
and
change
our
mind
in.
In
other
words,
I
I
know
we
want
to
get
this
thing
done,
but,
as
I
said
earlier,
this
is
something
that's
going
to
be
seen
with
us
for
the
next
10
years.
I
just
want
to
look
at
one
other,
if
at
all
possible
alternative,
if
they're
going
to
exist
to
ensure
John's
Island
has
more
than
one
one
vote
on
there.
D
J
K
You
have
to
be
on
the
prevailing
side,
so
if
you
vote
no
in
the
eyes
if
it
passes
and
you
voted
no
I,
don't
think
you
can
bring
it
back.
B
D
K
That
would
push
the
public
hearing.
If
you
vote
tonight
and
we
have
a
first
reading
and
then
we
go
and
try
to
change
it
between
second
and
third,
that's
going
to
push
the
public
hearing
further
back
got
it
just
so
you
know,
and
so
the
public
hearing
requires
two
weeks
notice.
So
that's
why
we
would
have
to
wait
until
November.
J
Respectfully
councilman
sachrin
councilman
shade
the
the
population
of
John's
Island
doesn't
necessitate
two
council
members
and
I
say
that
having
been
the
loan
council
member
with
district
one,
the
king
Hawaii
Peninsula
has
had
at
times
a
partial
council
member
and
now
a
full
council
member.
We
never
split
the
cane
Hoy
Peninsula
or
Daniel
Island,
so
that
we'd
have
multiple
council
members
representing
that
area.
This
this
Council
never
decided
to
do
that.
There's
no
reason
and
there's
no
precedent
for
doing
that
on
gone
violence.
It
should
be
a
single
member
district.
J
A
All
right
any
further
comment:
council
member
Powell.
P
P
Just
I
just
want
to
note
for
the
record
Jason
that
was
a
very
Class
Act
thing
that
you
did
and
it
and
it's
very
indicative-
it's
not
a
one-off
manifestation.
This
is
who
you've
been
since
I've
known
you
and
since
you've
been
on
this
Council
you've
always
been
straight
up
and
you've
always
been
honest
and
you're.
P
A
man
of
integrity
and
I
just
want
that
to
reflect
the
record,
but
this
this
this
census
process
that
we've
we've
just
gone
through
in
the
demographic
trends
that
that
are
laid
before
us
tell
a
very
sad
story.
P
It's
it's
a
sad
story,
a
failure
over
the
past
several
decades
of
out
of
control,
suburban
sprawl,
while
you
have
a
hollowed-out
peninsula
and
a
hollowed-out
urban
area
of
not
just
population
generally,
but
African-American
population
specifically
and
that's
causing,
and
that's
at
the
core
of
a
lot
of
the
problems
that
we're
dealing
with
before
World
War
II
Charleston
almost
had
a
hundred
thousand
people
on
the
peninsula.
Now
it's
around
30.
P
P
It
is
a
crying
shame
for
the
City
of
Charleston
when
I
grew
up
I,
don't
know
how
many
council
members
there
were
downtown,
but
there
are
a
lot
more
than
three
and
it
was
a
lot
more
than
four
and
there
were
a
lot
more
African-American
council
members,
the
the
demographic
trends
that
we've
been
contending
with
are
manifestations
of
failure
as
a
city
and
that's
everybody's
responsibility.
This
should
be
a
wake-up
call.
P
Wake
up,
call
to
the
City
of
Charleston,
okay,
so
I
just
think
that
needs
to
be
noted
for
the
record
and
City
of
Charleston
has
had
more
than
12
council
members
before
I.
Think
council
member
member
Shades
pointed
out
to
me
that
there
was
16
at
one
point
that
was
discussed
in
multiple
points
throughout
this
process
that
could
have
kept
every
person
currently
on
Council
and
could
have
done
a
lot
of
different
things.
P
Frankly,
I
was
very
intrigued
by
the
idea
of
expanding
Council,
more
representation
easier
to
do
our
job,
smaller,
tighter
compact
districts.
That
ought
to
be
something
we
maybe
look
at
in
2030,
but
you
know
I'll
rest.
There
I
think
it's
time
for
us
to
move
on,
I
think
we're
doing
what's
in
the
best
interests
of
the
City
by
creating
these
compact
districts.
P
It's
a
shame
that
it's
coming
at
the
extents
of
councilman,
Sacrament
I,
don't
think
necessarily
it
had
to
be
that
way,
but
if
that
was
the
way
that
he
wants
it
to
be
I,
respect
that
and
I
think
he's
made
our
jobs
a
lot
easier
tonight
by
doing
that.
So
with
that
being
said,
ready
to
vote.
A
Thank
you,
chair,
I'm,
going
to
call
the
question
all
in
favor
of
M2,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it
now.
If
Council
would
could
I
entertain
a
motion
that
we
withdraw
M3
from
the
agenda,
any
discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
next
up
is
our
approval,
sir
scheduled
program,
which
would
be
the
approval
of
city
council
minutes
just
for
September
13th.
B
A
Additions
deletions,
Corrections
hearing,
none
all
in
favor
would
say
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it.
Next
is
our
citizens,
participation,
period
and
I
think
just
about
everybody
has
left
because
they
were
here
for
the
public
hearing,
but
we
will
have
this
period
available.
Do
we
have
some
folks
who
signed.
A
Adam
Clark,
please
call
the
names
and
we'll
ask
you
to.
Please
keep
your
comments
to
a
minute
and
a
half.
C
Lynn
cool
j7269,
Commodore,
Road,
I'm
of
cajam
Charleston
area,
Justice,
Ministries
and
I
returned
to
ask
that
you
add
to
an
upcoming
agenda:
the
revitalization
of
Gadsden,
Creek,
mayor
council
members,
I
notice
in
tonight's
business
that
there
are
multiple
storm
water
management
items
and
yet
simultaneously,
you
turn
your
eyes
away
from
the
irreparable
damage
that
the
heavy
concrete
load
of
the
next
planned
phase
of
West
Edge
development
will
do
the
push
for
filling
in
Gadsden
Creek
and
the
adjacent
wetlands
lacks
common
sense
and
recognition
of
our
changing
climate.
C
C
Another
piece
of
this
website
conversation
Rising
heat
and
how
it
impacts.
People's
Health,
the
gas
in
green
areas,
one
of
the
hottest
on
the
peninsula,
the
cities
involved
in
the
Charleston
heat
health
research
project.
C
Scientists
consider
how
buildings,
along
with
other
elements,
contribute
to
heat
index
of
an
area.
Once
again,
does
it
make
sense
to
steal
a
natural
ecosystem
and
trade
it
out
for
concrete
the
massive
bracecaping
and
harm
to
Gadsden
Creek
will
exacerbate
so
many
problems.
Plans
can
change
instead
of
rigidly
holding
on
to
an
anachronistic
development
approach,
adapt
and
refresh
in
the
name
of
the
whole
Community
time.
C
C
Members
of
council
Jordan
Yarbrough
with
South
Carolina
Ports
Authority
I,
will
not
take
a
full
minute
and
a
half
just
came
this
evening
to
let
you
all
remind
you
all.
We
have
another
Community
engagement
event
on
the
future
of
Union
Pier
it'll,
be
this
Thursday
from
3
P.M
to
7
p.m,
at
Sanders,
Clyde
elementary
school.
So
we
we
did
have
a
decent
turnout
on
the
one
I
spoke
to
you
about
before,
but
due
to
the
hurricane,
not
as
much
as
we
would
like.
C
We
were
planning
this
one
anyway,
but
all
that
to
say
please
come
out
and
for
everyone
listening
please
come
out
and
share
your
thoughts.
3
P.M
to
7
P.M,
Sanders,
Clyde,
Elementary
School,
it's
Thursday!
There
will
be
parking
at
the
gravel
lot
behind
the
cigar
Factory
and
there
also
will
be
a
food
truck.
A
Jordy
we
do
Civic
engagement,
we've
been
conducting
with
with
the
plan,
and
thank
you
for
doing
that.
Thank.
K
Thank
you
and
those
are
all
the
speakers
that
we
had
signed
up.
We
did
receive
two
comments.
Jerome
Harris
urged
Council
to
adopt
the
amendment
to
the
harc
ordinance.
The
amendment
was
needed
to
provide
a
mechanism
to
ensure
the
commission
could
carry
out
its
charge.
Tony
Daniels
stated
the
roads
were
illegally
blocked
by
his
father's
house.
He
said
when
asked
to
take
the
illegal
closures
down.
They
stated
it
would
be
dangerous
to
their
children
and
he
asked
how
they
would
feel
if
it
was
their
neighborhood
and
those
are
all
the
comments
we
received.
A
Did
we
miss
anyone?
Would
anybody
like
to
be
heard
well,
thank
you,
everyone
for
being
with
us
next
up
is
our
petitions
and
Communications?
First,
we
have
the
appointment
of
a
code
enforcement
officer
from
TNT
all
right,
any
discussion,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposey
eyes
have
it
next
is
a
request
of
approval
of
a
proposed
settlement
agreement
regarding
a
demolition's
denial
of
1640
Folly
Road
for.
K
All
right,
excellent,
just
quick
background
yeah!
Thank
you
so
yeah.
This
was
a
demolition
request
that
was
denied
by
drb.
After
a
very
quick
mediation
with
all
the
parties,
staff
has
recommended
that
Council
approve
this
settlement
agreement,
wherein
it
would
be
allowed
to
be
demolished.
A
Any
discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed
you
guys
have
it.
I
said
next
is
an
update
on
our
comprehensive,
integrated
Warner
plan.
I'm
gonna
call
Dale
Marsh
to
come
forward
and
set
up
the
presentation
with
some
guests
we
have
from
black
and
Vege
and
it's
David
Ball.
It's
Mr
ball
with
us
as
well.
A
H
So
good
evening,
members
of
council-
you
all
know
me
I'm
Dale
and
you
all
funded
this
great
opportunity
with
it
for
the
city
to
procure
a
comprehensive,
integrated
water
plan.
It's
a
recommendation
from
Dutch
dialogues.
It's
something
we
need
to
do
and
you
all
find
you
all
funded
the
project
in
August.
You
provided
some
funding
last
last
at
the
end
of
last
year
and
then
additional
funding
in
August.
The
team
has
started
work
they're
here
they
went
on
a
contract
in
August
they're
here
to
tell
you
who
they
are.
H
What
they're
doing
I
want
to
give
you
some
context
here,
because
we
sort
of
discovered
this.
So
do
you
know
how
large
the
City
of
Charleston
is
in
square
miles?
Army
155
right,
so
we
looked
at
this
but
anyway,
so
we're
the
155
city
of
Boston
is
90..
City
of
Boston
is
90
square
miles.
H
Atlanta
is
136.
square
miles,
Charleston's
155.
Richmond
Virginia
is
just
63.,
Savannah
is
113.,
New
York
City
is
302,
so
the
City
of
Charleston
is
just
under
half
the
size
of
the
city
of
New
York
in
square
miles.
So
we
have
this
water
problem
and
we
have
this
land
problem.
We
have
this
wonderful
thing
going
on
here,
but
this
shows
the
complexity
of
how
we
do
a
water
planter
and
I
just
wanted
to
remind
you
all
that
that
this
is
sort
of
a
large,
complex
area.
H
So
the
team
is
here
they're,
going
to
give
you
a
brief
overview
of
their
scope
and
their
approach.
Their
initial
observations
again
they've
been
at
work
for
about
six
weeks,
they're
here
to
talk
about
the
schedule.
They
have
some
homework
for
you
all.
So
that's
good.
H
Most
importantly,
they're
here
to
answer
your
questions
as
they
start
the
work
or
sort
of
move
into
the
next
phases
of
work,
and
then
one
thing
that
I
would
like
to
ask
of
all
of
you:
we've
done
this
with
councilman
Powell
and
councilman
Boyd
I
would
like
the
team
to
meet
with
each
of
you
individually
off
the
Record
discussions.
You
know
your
districts,
you
know
your
people,
you
know
your
streets,
they
know
the
hydrology.
They
know
the
water.
H
We
can
look
at
Maps,
but
you
know
things
that
they
don't
and
we
would
like
to
pick
up
that
information
from
you,
so
I
will
ping.
You
emo
you
text
you
and
ask
for
some
time
to
do
that.
Please,
okay!
Thank
you!
So
I'm
going
to
turn
the
the
microphone
over
to
Stephen
O'connell
Stephen
O'connell
is
local.
He's
with
black
and
Beach
he's
the
water
plan.
Project
manager
been
in
the
city
for
15
years,
works
on
a
lot
of
the
Civil
infrastructure
in
the
city
and
then
David
Wagner.
E
Thank
you
very
much
very
pleased
to
be
here
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
and
kind
of
give
you
an
update
on
the
water
plan.
Exciting
so
I'm
gonna
hand
it
over
David
here
in
a
few
minutes
and
talk
more
of
the
specifics.
But
what
we've
set
out
to
do
is
create
a
proactive,
achievable
and
manageable
plan
for
the
city
to
embrace
its
relationship
with
water
building
upon
the
plans
that
the
city
has
already
started
the
many
plans
and
the
storm
water,
the
downtown
plan.
E
It's
upcoming
zoning
rewrite
there's
West
Ashley
plans,
there's
John's
Island
plans.
The
goal
is
to
take
all
those
and
produce
a
document
that
is
implementable
for
the
city
to
embrace
the
compound
flooding
that
we're
seeing
and
have
seen
for
for
many
many
decades.
E
So
just
to
give
an
introduction
appreciate,
Dale,
so
I'm
with
black
and
Beach
we've
been
working
for
the
City
of
Charleston
for
almost
20
years.
Our
offices
are
right
up
on
Calhoun
Street
we've
been
in
downtown
for
20
years,
working
for
Charleston,
Water
System,
on
the
Wastewater
side
and
also
for
the
City
of
Charleston.
The
stormwater
side
have
done
a
lot
of
work
on
the
tunnels
and
the
Deep
infrastructure
and
the
peninsula,
but
also
instantly
familiar
with
Charleston
as
a
whole.
E
David
Wagner
is
we
have
him
as
the
water
plan
architect,
but
he's
with
Wagner
ball
very
familiar
with
the
Dutch
dialogues
process,
the
Land
and
Water
Analysis.
They
are
leading
the
water
plan.
Our
team
was
set
up
to
be
very
nimble.
We
have
Engineers,
so
black
and
Beach
handles
the
Civil
Solutions.
That's
the
engineering
side
of
the
house,
Moffitt
nickel,
Coastal
Engineering
experts
in
sea
level
rise
and
modeling
and
understanding
the
impacts
of
of
the
coast,
and
then
you
have
local
biohabitats,
so
Keith
Bowers
they
are
a
national
firm,
well
known
to
nature-based.
E
Solutions
and
Keith
is
located
in
Charleston,
so
implementing
nature-based,
Solutions
and
implementing
gray
infrastructure.
This
team
is
set
up
to
to
do
all
of
that
and
understand
how
that
can
help
the
city
manage
its
water.
We
also
have
the
community
Solutions
Consulting,
AJ
Davis
is
on
our
team.
He
was
also
part
of
a
lot
of
the
comp
fan
work
and
so
we're
set
up
to
be
nimble.
E
The
first
phase
is
the
water
plan,
but
this
team
is
able
to
transition
based
on
the
needs
of
the
city
into
also
an
OA
role,
owner's
advisor
role
if
we
ever
went
forward
with
the
poor
process,
so
our
team
is
set
up
to
any
component
of
our
team
can
be
a
leader
right,
but
right
now,
Wagner
ball
is
leading
the
water
plan
effort.
E
So,
as
as
many
of
you
know,
we
just
had
hurricane
Ian,
it
was,
in
my
opinion,
A
near
Miss.
We
were
very
lucky
to
not
have
a
compound
flooding
impacts
that
we
are
anticipating,
but
the
city
is
currently
updating
the
sea
level
rise
strategy
and
you'll
see
that
on
the
left,
that's
set
for
a
25-year
planning.
Horizon,
that's
also
with
the
water
plan
is
set
for
so
25
years
of
sex
because
that's
manageable.
We
think
that
in
25-year
Horizon
you
can
Implement
strategies,
but
it
also
needs
to
be
adaptable.
E
We
need
to
be
looking
out
Beyond
25
years.
The
first
strategy
is
25
years
in
and
we're
going
to
take
the
sea
level
rise
strategy.
Take
the
look
at
the
Hurricanes
that
near
misses
and
now
on
the
on
the
right
there
spaghetti
plot,
but
that's
showing
all
the
Hurricanes
that
have
either
hit
Charleston
or
been
near,
misses
since
the
early
late
1800s,
so
that
compounded
flood
effect
is
what
we're
looking
at.
E
So
the
planning
area
is
the
urban
growth
boundary,
as
defined
by
Charleston.
Dale
mentioned
the
size.
It's
a
very
large
project.
The
urban
growth
boundary
is
defined
by
the
dashed
lines,
but
outside
of
that
is
the
Watershed
impact,
so
bigger
than
the
urban
growth
boundary
is
the
watersheds
that
impact
those
planning
areas.
E
We've
divided
the
planning,
the
city
into
six
planting
areas.
You
have
James
Island,
John's,
Island,
West,
Ashley,
peninsula,
Daniel
Island
in
cane
boy.
Each
of
those
have
different
issues
to
deal
with.
Each
of
them
have
different
concerns.
The
peninsula,
for
the
most
part,
is
built
out.
Different
solutions
are
going
to
be
implementable
there
versus
canehoy,
which
is
yet
to
be
built
out.
E
So
we
divided
it
in
according
to
planning
area.
Because
of
the
different
solutions
and
strategies
we
were
planning
to
implement
throughout
our
water
plan,
development,
which
you
can
see
on
the
right
hand,
side
is
the
scale
so
flood
risk
is
the
blue
and
you
translate
that
onto
the
map-
and
this
is
this
is
today,
so
this
isn't
even
thinking
25
years
out
to
see
a
little
rise
is
another
14
to
18
inches
on
top
of
that
blue.
So
what
you
can
see
is,
in
a
normal
high
tide
event,
a
normal
flooding
event.
E
E
So
there's
the
areas
where
we
need
to
think
about
land
use.
How
do
we
use
the
land?
How
do
we
adapt
the
land
to
handle
that
future
flooding?
And
then
the
green
is
the
Highland,
so
that's
typically
where
we
would
show
yeah.
This
land
is
high,
still
impacts
from
groundwater,
maybe
and
some
surge
potential,
but
less
so
on
the
tidal
side.
S
It's
nice
to
be
back
here
in
Charleston
and
like
to
take
off
the
visit,
the
visitor
thing,
but
maybe
the
security
people
wouldn't
like
that
I
went
forward
without
meaning
to
go
forward.
This
is
the
adaptation
strategy
chart
that
was
in
the
comp
plan
Land
and
Water
Analysis,
and
you
know
it
really
is
a
good
approach
which
is
saying
that
you're
looking
to
reserve
some
of
the
bottom
space,
but
in
places
like
canehoy
with
the
trees
you're,
looking
also
to
preserve
some
of
that,
because
you've
got
to
see
logical
value.
S
S
You
know
tonight
we'd
really
love
to
hear
one
thing
that
would
give
us
a
direction
in
the
work.
We
need
to
do
anything,
we're
we're
looking
now
for
questions,
but
is
a
whiteboard
exercise
to
look
at
the
different
ways
of
flooding
in
the
different
areas,
and
this
isn't
right
necessarily,
but
which
are
the
factors
that
cause
floods
in
the
different
areas.
You
see,
the
peninsula
really
has
risk
of
all
right,
but
if
you
start
to
look
at
this-
and
we
start
to
analyze
this
we'll
be
trying
to
convey
this
in
ways
that
you
can
understand.
S
You
know
this
document.
This
water
plan
Dale,
would
wants
to
make
sure
we
have
technical
stability
information,
but
it's
also
a
social
document.
You
have
to
be
able
to
convey
to
people
what's
in
their
self-interest
how
they're
going
to
live
here.
So
it's
both
a
social
and
a
technical
effort.
S
This
picture
was
taken
in
back
by
Jared
Bramble.
Actually,
and
you
know,
I
understand
the
church
is
going
to
be
repurposed
but
I
think
the
feeling
we
had
as
we
did
Dutch
dialogues
years
back,
was
that
there
was
space
there
for
water
and
we
could
in
fact
find
a
way
to
put
some
of
this
inadvertent
water
in
intentional
places.
S
S
It's
a
lot
of
land,
San
Francisco's
49
square
miles
and
we
can't
find
Space
I
think
it's
a
matter
of
commitment,
an
intention
to
develop
it,
because
if
we
sell
everything
we
got,
we
may
end
up
with
less
than
we
could
have
so
a
long
time
ago,
this
guy
Alexander
Pope
said
that
and
I
think
it
really
is
the
guide
for
this
project.
Each
place
has
its
own
nature
its
own
place
when
Charleston
was
young.
Alexander
Pope
was
writing
early
18th
century.
S
So
a
long
time
ago
he
said,
consult
the
genius
of
the
place
and
all
right
so,
which
is
the
particular
character
of
Cain,
Hoy
or
Daniel
Island
or
West
Ashley
or
the
peninsula.
Each
place
has
its
own
nature
and
genius,
and
that's
what
this
work
is
going
to
try
to
find
the
particular
opportunity
and
the
nature
of
the
condition
we
have
in
each
of
the
areas.
S
We
know
this
isn't
meant
to
be
a
lecture
or
anything,
but
we
know
we
have
these
marshages,
which
are
one
of
the
defining
characteristics
of
this
beautiful
city,
but
we
know
that
it's
dangerous
there
for
people
to
put
buildings
habitation.
You
know
you
can
see
there
in
West
Ashley.
You
know
it
gets
a
little
bit
close,
and
so
this
margin
along
the
marsh
Edge
is
fraud.
How
do
we
occupy
it?
When
do
we
not
occupy
it?
S
S
Well,
not
really,
you
know
this
is
It's
been
developed
once
or
so,
but
it
can
be
redeveloped
and
you
can
get
more
density
of
that
and,
if
you
can't
you
know
often
you
come
from
New
Orleans
and
after
Katrina
people
were
all
you
can't
have
density
well
density
can
be
your
advantage
too,
and
so
I
think.
If
you
look
at
these
Carters
these
Carters
that
are
all
drifting.
If
you
notice,
we
love
that
the
landscape
is
always
depositing
in
that
direction.
S
But
it's
all
got
to
fit
together.
You
know
if
the
corps
of
engineers
build
a
wall
and
the
City
of
Charleston
builds
a
pump
station
and
it's
not
coordinated.
There's
no
Elegance
in
that.
It's,
like
you,
know
words
without
Rhythm
or
something
so.
We've
got
to
find
a
way
to
integrate
all
these
systems
that
occurred.
That
was
a
Dutch
dialogues
diagram,
and
this
was
the
work
we
were
doing
for
the
city
with
the
peninsula
thing.
How
do
we
put
this
together
and
it's
really
a
matter
of
efficiency,
right,
resource
efficiency,
economic
efficiency
time?
S
S
Our
Dutch
friends
will
say
that
the
slow
layers,
the
bottom
layer
and
the
things
we're
hung
up
about
where
we
build
our
houses
and
have
our
buildings.
Those
are
the
easiest
things
to
change.
You
really
can't
change
the
geology,
you
can,
you
can
pollute
it,
but
the
ecological
aspect
is
the
slower
aspect
and
the
infrastructure
is
really
where
you
spend
your.
We
spend
our
public
money,
so
this
is
the
system
of
investment
that
we
look
at
with
a
longer
investment
being
the
Earth
and
as
we
go
forward,
where
do
we
put
the
money?
S
S
When
do
you
have
to
shift
over
adapt
it
to
another
system?
And
how
do
we
have
no
regrets
in
these
ways?
We
invest
because
you
know
in
a
way
you
know:
Architects
are
known
to
spend
money,
but
we
like
to
use
it
well,
and
so
our
job
for
you
is
to
try
to
give
you
advice
that
you
can
make
better
Investments
over
time
and
not
put
too
much
that
you're
going
to
regret,
because
you
should
have
spent
it
another
way.
S
So
wrapping
up
that
and
I'll,
let
you
come
back.
Stephen
is
we've
looked
at
data.
That's
really
the
phase.
We're
in
you
can
see
there
at
the
first
line
that
there's
some
stormwater
models
available
but
they're
for
projects,
and
it's
not
typical,
there's
a
lot
of
information
missing,
but
that
ties
into
well
which
of
these
systems,
are
going
to
be
useful
anyway,
as
sea
level
rises
25
years,
but
we're
looking
directionally
to
the
future.
We
say
25
years,
but
if
we
gave
you
advice
that
was
bad
in
50
years.
S
That
would
be
I,
think
short-sighted,
but
we
got
to
get
you
first
to
the
25..
So
what
are?
What
is
that
threshold
building
scale
avoiding
slab
on
grade
and
low
country
is
not
a
bad
idea
right
that
will
help
you
all
the
time
looking
at
streets
and
looking
at
roads
as
water
management
elements
that
will
help
you
don't
look
at
one
without
the
other
look
at
both
together
and
then
things
will
happen
in
Trends
and
they'll
happen
at
once
and
there'll
be
Cycles
and
we
got
to
be
ready
to
react
last
week.
S
S
E
David,
so
when
we
set
out
this
is
a
15-month
program,
we're
planning
to
deliver
the
water
plan
document
at
the
end
of
2023
right
now,
we're
just
in
the
very
beginning
stages
the
the
very
front
of
this
graph.
So
we're
in
the
data
collection
phase
right
now
we're
going
to
assemble
look
at
the
data
we
have
understand
where
the
gaps
are
and
then
start
divisioning
from
there.
E
This
group
is
going
to
get
back
together
in
Charleston
we're
going
to
have
meetings
with
each
of
the
planning
areas
we're
going
to
bring
in
outside
experts
we're
going
to
bring
in
communities
members
folks
who
have
intimate
knowledge
of
the
areas
and
meet
and
talk
and
figure
out
how
to
vision
and
plan
for
each
of
these
each
of
these
planning
basins,
and
that
will
be
first
quarter
of
20
2023.
So
that's
our
next
big
milestone
as
we
move
forward
in
the
water
plan.
J
Yeah
I
would
just
I
had
the
pleasure
of
meeting
with
Mr
Morris
Mr
O'connell
and
Mr
Wagner.
It
was
well
worth
a
couple
hours.
I
spent
with
them
learned
a
lot
and
would
definitely
encourage
all
of
you
to
take
take
the
time-
and
you
know,
spend
as
much
time
as
you
can
with
these
guys.
They
they're
there
to
listen
and
learn
and
we
can
learn
a
lot
from
them.
So
thank
you
all
for
for
everything
you
did
for
us
sure.
L
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
yes,
I
am
looking
forward
to
that
meeting.
Mr
Morris
I
Call
On
Him,
often
so
it
might.
It
might
not
be
the
appropriate
time
for
this
question,
but
a
lot
of
the
issues
on
James
Island
I
mean
from
what
I
understand
a
lot
of
our
storm
water.
Our
newly
you
know
yeah
some
of
our
storm
water
restrictions
on
new
development
are
really
great.
L
You
know
it
provides
needed
infrastructure
holding
to
you
know
things
like
that
again
above
my
pay
grade,
but
what
we
see
is
the
old
infrastructure,
so
I
am
curious
about
where
this
water
plan
and
all
of
that
will
sort
of
tie
into
that
part
of
the
whether
it's
discussion
or
action,
steps
that
need
to
be
taken
when
we're
talking
about
you
know.
Some
of
our
flooding
is
due
to
the
old
infrastructure,
either
being
not
properly
done
or
not
properly
maintained
whatever.
It
is.
How
how
does
this
tie
into
that
makes
sense?.
H
All
that
I
say
is
Matt
is
the
stormwater
director
and
I
am
not
smart
enough
to
think
and
close
to
how
Matt
thinks
he's
wonderful
he's
having
this
great
asset
and
you
all
praise
him
and
he
deserves
it.
So
his
team
is
looking
very
carefully.
We've
already
met
with
Matt.
This
team
has
already
met
with
Matt,
we
know
Matt.
We
will
continue
to
work
with
them,
so
that
coordination
is
essential,
but
one
of
the
things-
that's
that's
crucial.
Councilman
councilman
Parker
is
what
you
said.
H
Is
we
have
old
infrastructure
that
what
wasn't
maintained
or
wasn't
maintained
in
the
proper
way
over
decades?
Okay,
we
need
to
fix
that
is
that
infrastructure
property
size
when
it
was
designed?
Is
it
still
working
and
then
what
has
changed
with
all
the
development
around
it?
There's
possibly
too
many
roofs
and
streets
to
deal
to
infiltrate
water
and
the
groundwater
is
probably
higher.
So
you
have
all
these
conditions.
The
water
plane
team
is
going
to
fuss
around
with
this
and
look
at
it
to
make
recommendations
about
this.
H
You
can
see
some
adaptations
that
the
city
has
already
taken
out
in
West
Ashley.
These
are
things
that
I
do
not
think
are
going
to
be
inappropriate
for
James
Island.
We're
gonna
have
to
work
with
you
with
all
the
other
members
of
council
with
the
community
on
how
do
we
phase
this
in
over
time?
This
is
not
something
that
we're
going
to
say
tomorrow.
H
Here's
three
million
dollars
to
spend,
but
here
is
a
strategy
over
the
next
five
or
seven
years
for
investment
of
how
we
make
this
place
safer,
and
this
also
takes
Matt
Matt's
team
working
with
you
know,
implementing
the
stormwater
design
manual
requirements
carefully
working
with
developers
so
that
we
do
not
make
the
mistakes
that
we
know
now
from
the
past.
There
are
things
we
know
about
parts
of
the
city
that
are
not
yet
developed.
H
Do
we
better
not
make
those
mistakes?
We
will
do
a
great
disservice
to
Future
residents
and
current
and
future
taxpayers.
If
we're
not
very
careful.
So
we
have
to
work
with
this
and
I
think
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
parts
of
the
city
that
are
possible
for
redevelopment,
but
let's
do
that
in
a
smart
way,
and
this
is
this
team
will
help
us
with
that,
and
so
that
integration
is
implicit
in
this.
H
We
hope
it's
useful
for
you
and
we
will
I
will
send
you
a
text
or
a
call
tomorrow
about
to
schedule
this.
Okay,
do
you
want
to
say
anything.
S
S
L
Oh
well,
and
just
in
discussions
that
I've
had
I'm
sorry
Mr
Mayor
I
apologize
just
because
utilize
those
tax
sellers
are
so
you
know
those
those
monies
are
so
limited,
so
Ian
showed
us.
You
know
some
of
my
area,
some
of
my
districts.
We
have
to
make
sure
that
we're
utilizing
the
best
way
we
can
to
help
something
in
the
communities.
So.
H
P
P
The
question
I
have
is
you
know
when
I
think
about
what's
necessary
to
kind
of
get
it
from
these
best
practices
to
implementation,
I
see
a
host
of
legal
issues
and
challenges
and
I
just
wanted
to
at
a
very
ten
thousand
foot
level,
I'm
not
looking
to
get
into
the
Weeds
on
any
of
this.
Is
that
going
to
be
a
part
of
this
product
sort
of
an
assessment
of
sort
of
the
Regulatory
and
legal
landscape
as
it
relates
to
what
municipalities
can
do?
What
are
some
of
the
issues?
P
So
we
can
have
a
clear
understanding
of
that
when
it's
time
for
implementation,
because
I
will
tell
you,
the
city
is
no
stranger
to
litigation
over
our
stormwater
regulations
and
things
of
that
nature.
Some
of
the
stuff,
that's
in
our
comp
plan.
Some
of
the
stuff
that
we're
talking
about
right
now
is
so
far
beyond
it's
necessary,
but
it's
so
far
beyond
anything,
we've
ever
done.
P
S
Thank
you,
councilman
Bell,
I.
Think.
As
we
become
aware,
we
can
clearly
State
them.
You
know
it
when
we're
dealing
with
water,
they're,
always
human
issues
and
legal
issues.
They're
special
right
but
I
think
the
this
is
where
it
becomes
a
team
effort,
because
some
of
you
have
attributes
that
we
may
not
have
and
the
more
you
can
clarify
what
you
know
and
the
more
we
can
record
that
and
the
more
we
can
then
be
trying
to
get
that
path
forward.
S
S
D
You
Mr
Mayor
I
mean
thank
you
all
for
that
update
and
Report.
If
you
were
going
to
wave
a
yellow
caution
flag,
what
would
that
gosh
apply
sound
like?
Thank
you?
We.
S
Let
let
Mikey
you
know,
I
I
I
think
inertia
that
we
do
things
the
way
we've
always
done
them
that
the
developers
entitled
to
that.
Even
if
we
think
it's
not
right,
this
is
going
to
be
a
problem,
but
we
said
we'd
do
it
and
2010
2015..
We
said:
that's
gonna,
that's
a
caution.
Don't
put
more
Assets
in
People
In,
Harm's
Way!
S
S
E
Less
less
philosophical
than
David,
but
to
me
it's
integration
of
your
existing
systems,
the
storm
water
system,
it's
a
very
complex
system
and
not
getting
that
integrated
correctly
into
our
vision
and
plans
is,
is
a
is
a
red
flag
for
me.
So
group.
F
I
just
look
forward
to
meeting
with
you
all
one-on-one
one
of
the
areas
that
we
have
West
Ashley
James
Island,
some
of
the
Suburban
areas.
Problems
is
a
lot
of
commercial
areas
that
will
built
prior
to
storm
water
drained
through
residential
areas.
F
If
they
were
built
today,
they
would
be
required
to
have
retainage
on
their
own
site.
Councilmember
Appel
always
talks
about
the
term
grandfather
being
done
away
with
he's
right
about
that.
F
Those
areas
need
to
be
brought
into
compliance
because
a
lot
of
the
areas
that
flow
is
not
because
the
sea
level
rise,
yeah
I'm,
a
Believer,
a
lot
of
these
areas,
that's
flood,
because
poor
design
that
instead
of
running
it
to
the
public
system,
it's
cheaper
to
run
into
a
residential
area,
and
these
residential
areas
are
suffering
without
no
correction.
Somehow
we
have
to
come
back.
F
I
thought
we
had
already
passed
a
ordinance
three
four
years
ago
that
would
bring
all
shopping
centers
office
complexes
Etc
in
the
compliance
the
require
them
to
come
into
compliance.
So
hopefully
that's
going
to
be
a
part
of
y'all's
study
when
we
get
to
talk.
Thank.
F
Improvement
I
mean
we
just
and
I
I.
This
is
a
zoning
issue,
but
you
remember
when
they
had
the
adult
bookstore
and
the
neighbor
came.
Neighborhood
came
out
against
it
and
eventually
went
all
the
way
to
the
Supreme
Court
and
they
had
a
certain
period
of
time
to
move
into
another
area.
It's
the
same
thing
as
we're
dealing
with
him,
and
these
commercial
areas
cannot
continue
to
run
their
water
into
residential
areas
without
retaining
some
of
it
for
some
period
of
time
on
their
own
site.
I
agree,
that's
a
type
legislation.
You
talk
about.
A
H
Yes,
if
I
may
so,
David
mentioned
the
word
renovation.
H
We
are
going
to
continue
to
renovate.
We
have
renovated
the
city
in
West
Ashley
in
James
Island
on
the
peninsula
right
we're
going
to
continue
to
renovate
it.
May
bank
is
developed,
we
Dave
and
I
had
this
discussion,
but
it
could
be
developed
in
a
different
way
or
added
to
in
a
smarter
way
going
forward
right.
This
is
a
renovation,
and
this
is
what
we're
going
to
try
to
give
you
this
strategy.
It
is
very
clear
to
me:
councilman
shade,
asked
a
question
when
I
really
had
to
think
about
it.
H
What
is
my
one
yellow
flag
if
I
have
to
give
you
one
I'm
gonna,
give
you
one
and
a
half
one
I'm
gonna,
give
you
one
and
a
half
one.
Is
we
don't
do
what
you
just
said
that
we
don't
take
the
opportunity
when
a
new
building
is
put
in
place
or
another
building
an
area
is
redeveloped
in
our
what
we
call
these
middle
areas,
these
adapt
zones.
H
If
we
don't
take
advantage
to
store
storm
water,
manage
storm,
water
infiltrate,
storm
water
there
we're
going
to
regret
it,
and
my
other
very
clear
observation
is:
please:
let's
do
whatever
we
can
just
to
develop
wisely
or
develop
smartly
or
not
develop
at
all,
if
that's
possible
in
the
lowest
areas
of
the
city.
Let's
just
not
do
that
because
we
know
that
is
going
to
cost
more
and
more
and
more
money
to
address
with
the
rising
Seas.
That's
my
real
flag!
Sorry,
thank
you.
All.
A
Right,
thank
you
all
for
the
presentation.
The
update,
we're
so
glad
you're
on
board
you're
going
to
get
this
done,
we're
all
looking
forward
to
working
with
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
right.
So
next
up
we
have
our
Council
committee
reports.
First
up
Committee
on
Public,
Works,
councilman,
Williams,
all
right
any
discussion
all
in
favor,
oh.
F
No
actually
actionable
items.
I'd
agree
with
that.
So
I
certainly
agree
with
the
motion.
I
did
want
Mr
Fountain
to
have
a
presentation
on
his
no
no
his
plan
that
he's
suggesting
to
reallocate
Monies
to
higher
folk
at
least
come
and
address
that.
So
what's
passed
the
actionable
items
and
then
yes,
all.
A
A
O
We
did
present
a
relatively
detailed,
though
somewhat
short,
at
least
for
the
stormwater
department
presentation
in
the
public
works
utilities.
Committee
I
can
certainly
highlight
some
of
the
topics
we
discussed.
We
basically
went
through
the
current
Staffing
of
the
department
based
on
a
crew
level,
discussion
of
basically
how
many
crews
were
available
in
different
fields.
We
had
within
hand
Clean,
Machine,
clean
pipe,
clean
project
management
and
then
regulatory.
O
O
We
identified
an
additional
recommendation
of
working
towards
like
a
skill-based
progression
system
for
our,
especially
for
our
field,
Ops
employees.
Basically,
you
know
you,
you
pick
up
major
attributes
in
your
professional
career
development.
Like
you,
you
obtain
your
CDL
license,
which
lets
you
drive
heavy
equipment.
You
learn
how
to
drive
a
backhoe.
You
know
you
learn
how
to
drive
an
excavator,
how
to
operate
an
excavator.
O
You
basically
have
automatic
pay
increases
associated
with
that,
rather
than
having
to
wait
for
a
position
to
become
available.
We
then
provide
that
training
and
mentoring
to
the
employees
to
help
them
get
there
and
basically
builds
a
career
tracking.
It's
a
way
for
cities
to
attract
employees
at
lower
skill,
lower
paid
positions
typically,
but
show
them
there's
a
career
future,
similar
to
what
you'd
see
in
a
lot
of
professional
trades.
O
Anyone
would
ever
want
to
hear
we
did
identify,
basically
what
that
would
end
up
costing
for
the
field
operations
group.
It
runs
to
roughly
five
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
dollars,
and
that
assumes
completely
full
Staffing.
You
every
position
fully
staff
for
the
entire
year
for
the
engineering
and
ms4
group.
It's
about
360
000.
O
Those
also
the
department
currently
is
budgeted
and
we've
talked
about
this
in
some
detail.
The
department
is
currently
budgeted
for
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
salary
savings,
which,
of
course,
if
you
went
to
a
completely
fully
staffed,
fully
functional
Department,
you
wouldn't
have
salary
savings,
budgeted
back
into
your
other
budgets.
O
That's
that's
sort
of
we
talked
about
in
the
committee.
It's
sort
of
an
impractical
position
to
get
to
you
never
completely
fully
staffed.
You
always
have
natural
turnover
that
leaves
positions
vacant
for
some
period
unless
you're
going
to
overstaff
or
overfill
positions,
but
it
it
does
end
up
being
a
realistic
cost
of
about
a
million
dollars
if
you
were
to
get
again
to
fully
Staffing
on
an
annual
basis
again
this
these
from
our
department
budget
is
about
12
million
dollars.
So
it's
not
insignificant.
It's
not.
It's
not
impossible.
O
We
identified
a
few
funding
mechanisms
you
could
get
there
with.
You
could
basically
look
at
our
current
budget
for
our
indefinite
delivery
contracts
since
it
about
that
amount
of
money.
You
could
say
basically,
you
will
run
indefinite
delivery
contracts
with
any
actual
achieved
vacancies,
so
that
would
fund
the
work
to
hire
contractors
to
help
fill
the
roles
of
the
people
who
are
not
currently
staffed
and
it
kind
of
makes
for
an
elegant
balance,
especially
since
any
plan
you
implement
would
likely
take
quite
a
bit
of
time
to
come
to
fruition
of
hiring.
O
We
don't
have
that
big,
an
unemployed
population
in
Charleston.
Most
people
know
so
it's
harder
to
draw
those
employees
quickly
in
two
positions,
even
if
they
do
do
become
more
attractive,
and
we
also
looked
at
an
option
to
reduce
the
budgeted
staff.
You
have
to
reduce
your
budget
staff
by
about
15
in
order
to
basically
make
this
cost
neutral.
That
would
still
be
a
significant
increase
in
the
number
of
employed
employees
since
we're
less
than
50
staffed
in
field
Ops
and
more
like
20,
30
vacant
and
professional
staff.
O
So
you
still
see
an
overall
increase
in
Staffing.
You
just
see
a
decrease
in
budgeted
positions.
The
third
option
was
to
increase
the
collection
efficiency
within
our
stormwater
utility,
which
something
we
need
to
do
anyway.
We've
talked
about
this
Council
Warren's
been
a
big
advocate
of
it.
We
did
a
utility
great
study,
we're
likely
under
collecting
Revenue
versus
example,
or
corollary
cities
to
us
for
population
size,
air
City
area.
O
A
lot
of
that
is
because
our
stormwater
utility
program
is
quite
old,
for
the
city
was
actually
created
in
the
90s,
so
the
hasn't
really
aged
into
modern
building
software
and
Building
Systems.
We've
still
worked
with
CWS,
who
kind
of
lets
us
piggyback
on
their
bills,
which
is
a
challenging
way
to
work
through
the
the
billions
we
see.
There's
there's
likely
some
some
better
efficiency
that
we
could
work
through
and
and
come
what
somewhat
budget
neutral.
O
In
that
perspective,
and
then,
lastly,
of
course,
there's
the
typical
way
to
increase
Revenue,
which
would
be
a
fee
increase.
That
amount
of
money
would
run
to
about
one
dollar
per
month
per
eru,
which
is
the
typical
residential
rate
I'm
happy
to
again
to
get
into
that
in
any
kind
of
level
of
excruciating
detail
that
anyone
would
like
to
have
I
have
a
number
of
spreadsheets
that
I
can
follow
up.
If
anyone
would
like
to
see
them.
J
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor.
Thank
you,
Mr
Fountain.
What's
the
the
current
stormwater
fees
20
per
resident
per
year
that
we
pay
on
our
CWS
bill,
yeah.
O
So
you
currently
pay
ten
dollars
per
month
for
residential
property,
so
it's
120
per
year,
unless
you're
in
an
apartment
where
you
pay
normally
75
of
that
horse
and
into
the
building
unit.
J
And
you're
saying
one
additional
dollar
per
month
would
would
fund
this.
That's
correct.
Okay,
that's
like
a
no-brainer
is,
in
my
opinion,
so
I
would
bring
that
to
council,
but.
F
Just
wanted
to
thank
Mr
Fountain,
pull
all
this
together
yeah
and
we
had
a
storm
event.
So,
in
less
than
two
weeks,
we
pulled
that
together
to
get
it
back
as
a
request
from
Council
again
Mr
fell.
Thank
you
so
much
great.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
Parker,.
O
You
know
one
thing
it:
it
was
two
weeks
to
sort
of
finalize
it
into
presentation.
Form
I
mean
it's
something
we've
been
talking
about
in
committee,
I
think,
for
a
long
time,
we've
been
working
with
the
HR
Department
Brian
Landry
for
quite
a
while
looking
at
things
like
the
skill
based
progressions,
something
we
can
do
for
internal
restructuring,
because
we
we
talked
about
this
a
lot
we've
been
understaffed.
It's
an
incredibly
important
function.
O
We,
you
know,
perform
as
much
as
I
joke
about
the
excruciating
accuracy
like
it
is
really
important
to
have
a
real
plan
of
how
you
do
this
not
just
kind
of
throw
money
at
it
and
hope.
Somehow
the
problem
goes
away
right.
That's
not
a
good
solution
that
leads
to
good
results.
So
we
we
do
have
that
detail
because
it
is
so
important
to
have.
You
know,
good
high
quality
staff
who
come
to
work
and
are
excited
and
do
good
work
and
I.
O
Think
he's
hopefully
have
seen
that
in
the
results
we've
been
able
to
get
as
a
department
and
with
roughly
double
the
amount
of
staff.
I
think
we
could
certainly
accomplish
additional
work,
which
is
what
we're
again
roughly
budgeted
to
have.
It's
not
we're
asking
to
double
the
the
budget
amount
of
staff
only
come
back
to
budget
councilman,
Parker.
L
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
and
thank
you
Mr
chairman
I
enjoyed
the
committee
meeting.
Thank
you
for
letting
me
be
there
and
make
a
few
comments,
but
just
really
quick
I
just
wanted
to
one
say.
Thank
you
for
all
of
the
trucks
and
we
had
some
communities
that
houses
you
know
really
flooded,
so
whether
it
was
storm
water
or
Environmental,
Services
I
mean
they
were
out
there
in
full
force.
Helping
these
folks
and
that's
what
I
received
from
the
the
city
residents
I.
L
Also
you
made
comment
about
community
outreach
and
as
well
as
our
Environmental
Services
updates
for
this
week.
I
just
hope
that
we
can
I
know
Becca
Hopkins
might
not
be
here,
but
maybe
that's
something
that
we
can
get
out
this
week
or
not.
You
know
within
the
next
week
or
so
I
know
I'm
kind
of
bouncing
back
to
B1,
but
just
getting
some
environmental
service
updates
out
there
and
that's
it
I
mean
anything.
L
J
Sorry
one
other
question:
when
was
the
last
time
the
storm
water
P
was
raised.
J
Think
all
right,
but
it's
not
indexed
inflation
or
anything.
O
J
O
A
You
right
I
think
we
had
intended
on.
You
know
considering
an
additional
increase,
but
we
wanted
to
have
the
plan
first
and
that's
that's
what
this
is
all
about
is
having
a
solid
plan
before
we
Justified
an
additional
increase
right
all
right.
So
thank
you
all
and
thank
you
Matt
for
all
that
discussion.
Thank
you,
councilmember
Waring,
for
for
bringing
that
to
your
committee
next
up
committee
on
we
I'm
sorry
traffic
and
transportation
council,
member
Brady.
Yes,.
G
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
and
like
councilmember,
weary,
I'm,
gonna
Reserve
an
hour
and
a
half
just
in
case.
We
need
to
you
know,
talk
about
everything
here
tonight.
G
So
first
we
got
an
update.
There
was
some
moving
around
on
the
agenda,
but
we
started
on
the
agenda
item
with
Harbor
View
traffic
School
traffic
update.
They
were
happy
to
report
from
the
school
district.
They
have
a
63,
expanded
capacity
to
house
cars
on
the
Harbor
View
Elementary
School
campus.
As
a
result
of
that
in
the
afternoon
the
backup
onto
the
street
is
down
from
34
minutes
to
two
minutes.
G
Two
minutes
in
the
afternoon.
Yeah
and
11
minutes
in
the
morning.
So
the
morning
at
pick
up
and
drop
off
or
pick
or
I
should
say,
drop
off
is
a
little
bit
longer
and
they
acknowledge
that.
But
they've
done
the
plan
was
quite
extensive
and
they've
done
everything
that
they
can
to
minimize
the
impacts
to
the
one
resident
to
this.
Driveway
is
referenced
here
in
the
chamber.
Most
often
next
we
had
a
very
exhaustive
update
from
Deborah
de
Toma
at
Charleston
County.
G
We
will
get
the
PowerPoint
presentation
that
she
shared
with
us
tarabi
and
then
Robbie
will
get
that
out
to
council,
because
the
amount
of
projects
I
was
quite
impressed
with
and
I
know.
Members
of
the
committee
were
as
well,
and
they
are
quite
too
numerous
for
me
to
list
here
in
the
report,
including
all
the
resurfacing
projects.
G
G
G
The
traffic
and
transportation
committee
had
a
public
hearing
on
a
speed
limit
reduction
and
the
entire
meeting
lasted
four
minutes.
So
it's
we.
Don't
it's
not
required
in
the
statute.
We
don't
think
it's
entirely
necessary
and
so
that
we
can
move
that
forward
faster
for
Citizens.
G
That's
before
you
tonight,
and
then
Mr
Somerville
gave
an
update
on
the
valet
parking
RFP.
Unfortunately,
no
proposals
were
submitted
as
part
of
that
RFP,
but
Neighborhood,
Services
and
TNT
are
talking
to
the
businesses
to
make
sure
that
valet
parking
in
the
spots
that
we
set
aside
for
that
are
something
that
they're
still
interested
in
which
I
have
a
feeling
it
with
some
more
engagement
that
it
will
be.
G
And
then
the
parking
meter
update
we
received
proposals
on
this
coming
or
will
receive
proposals
on
this
coming
Friday,
with
the
review
taking
place
on
November
2nd
and
then
that
process
will
continue
moving
from
there.
And
that
is
the
extent
from
my
report
and
I
would
move
approval
of
the
speed
limit
reduction.
A
J
I
did
have
a
discussion
question,
so
I
was
going
to
ask
our
our
legal
counsel
to
provide
some
legal
background
on
Frampton
Street
modification.
J
A
K
Good
evening,
I
I
know
that
the
legal
department
has
been
asked
in
the
past
to
weigh
in
on
the
validity
of
the
process
that
took
I
know
that
the
legal
department
has
been
asked
in
the
past
to
weigh
in
on
the
validity
of
the
process
that
occurred
in
1976
I
believe
for
these
traffic
diversions
to
take
place
at
Frampton
Fairway.
Our
opinion
on
that
has
not
changed.
We
view
that
to
have
been
a
lawful
process
under
South
Carolina
code
527-150,
these
are
alterations
to
city
streets.
It
is
not
a
closure
nor
an
abandonment.
L
Yes,
thank
you.
Mr
Mayor,
just
discussion,
I
I
am
always
very
impressed
with
Charleston
County's
update
I,
see
it
at
James.
Island,
intergovernmental
and
I
know
that
councilwoman
Honeycutt
I
mean
the
the
presentations
that
I've
seen
in
the
past
couple
weeks
and
all
of
the
projects
happening
on
James,
Island,
I'm
extremely
excited
about.
You
know
to
see
all
of
that
happening
on
James
Island.
It's
really
exciting.
So,
okay
I
really
appreciate
the
county
for
giving
that
update.
First.
D
D
G
I
will
be
happy
to
provide
you
again
with
the
presentation
that
she
gave,
but
I
mean
it
was
about
50.
Something
odd
updates
that.
A
We
I
did
ask
a
question
about
that
project,
so
I
I,
if
I
may
go
ahead
and
relay
that
she
mentioned
there,
wasn't
enough
funding
to
proceed,
and
so
they
plan
to
phase
the
project
to
do
first,
the
intersection
improvements
at
Orange,
Grove,
Road
and
Sam
Rittenberg,
and
then
secondly,
and
she
she
said
I
asked
specifically.
A
She
said
that
was
based
on
the
number
of
accidents
that
had
occurred,
so
it
was
basically
a
safety
decision
and
then
a
second
phase
would
occur
sometime
later,
although
she
wasn't
specific
on
the
timing
with
all
the
basically
pedestrian
improvements
that
occur
up
and
down
Old
Town,
Road
and
Sam
Rittenberg
Boulevard,
so
I
I
think
on
the
Orange
Grove
Road
phase
one
she
mentioned
they
still
had
a
couple
of
right-of-way
Acquisitions
to
take
care
before
they
could
move
forward.
P
You
Mr,
Mayor
and
I
just
want
to
thank
chairman
Brady
for
entertaining
the
update
regarding
the
Harbor
View
Elementary
School
issue,
which,
which
is
ongoing.
I
want
to
thank
our
staff
Robbie,
his
predecessor,
Mr
Benjamin,
our
legal
department.
We've
now
had
two
lawyers.
Look
at
this
they've
come
to
the
same
conclusion:
I'm
satisfied
with
the
results
of
this
process.
I
think
the
city
has
done
everything
right.
Contrary
to
what
you
may
have
heard.
P
The
city
has
taken
numerous
steps
and
actions
out
in
this
area
to
include
striping
additional
enforcement
things
of
that
nature.
I
want
to
thank
the
Charleston
County
School
District
Mr
burrowi
for
all
the
work
they've
done
on
site
I.
Consider
this
matter
closed.
I,
don't
think
our
staff
needs
to
spend
any
additional
time
and
furtherance
of
this
I
think
we've
documented
the
record
appropriately
I
can
tell
you
the
country
club,
2
neighborhood
is
overwhelmingly
in
support
of
what
the
city
has
done
here
and
I
want
to
let
my
colleagues
know.
P
I've
tried
my
best
to
resolve
this
issue.
It
is
an
unresolvable
issue
and
we'll
just
leave
it
at
that,
but
I
just
want
to.
Thank
everybody.
That's
been
involved
in
this
and
I
just
don't
think
we
need
to
spend
a
whole
lot
more
time
and
energy
and
and
limited
resources
and
bandwidth
on
this
I
think
the
record
is,
is
satisfactory
and
I
just
want
to
express
my
appreciation
for.
G
N
Just
very
briefly:
I
missed
the
beginning
of
council
member
Brady's
report
and
I'm.
Sorry
about
that.
But
I
agree
with
you,
and
one
of
the
things
that
was
reported
to
us
today
from
the
school
district
point
of
view
is
in
an
effort
to
alleviate
the
traffic
congestion
problems,
specifically
at
the
intersections
and
on
Harbor
View
Road.
The
school
district
not
only
came
up
with
a
plan
put
Human
Resources
short
resources
towards
it.
N
They
spent
I'm
trying
to
remember
that
434
434
000
building
a
second
lane
in
front
of
the
school,
so
they
can
double
up
the
cars
coming
in
and
coming
out
to
expedite
the
flow
of
traffic
through
there
450
000
bucks,
which
is
not
a
small
amount
of
money
when
you're
in
the
education
business.
So
they
took
it
seriously
and
will
continue
to
take
it
seriously
and
I
I.
Think
that
really
came
across
loud
and
clear
today
and
they
really
put
their
money
where
their
commitment
was
to
that
so
I
agree.
N
It's
Case
Closed
other
than
just
we're
continuing
to
work
with
the
school
district,
to
make
sure
that
that
intersection
of
Harborview
Road
remains
safe,
because
one
thing
they
did
tell
us
is
they've
got
two-minute
backups
in
the
afternoons
and
11
minute
backups
in
the
morning
on
Harbor
View
Road.
So
that's
something
that
we
got
to
flush
through
so
anyway,
I
thought
it
was.
It
was
a
super
interesting
report
for
them
today.
Right.
A
Thank
you
so
there's
a
committee
report
overall,
including
the
motion
to
or
the
ordinance
reduce
maximum
speed
limit
protocol
on
the
floor,
any
further
questions
or
discussion.
All
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
oppose
the
eyes.
Have
it
next
up?
Is
our
committee
as
amended,
because
we
did
add
a
couple
of
items
to
the
agenda
for
spending
any
questions
or
comments.
All
in
Facebook,
please
say
aye
and
he
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
next
up.
We
have
bills
for
second
reading.
A
We
have
approval
one
through
ten
and
number
nine
was
amended,
so
can
can
we
say
approve
one
from
ten
as
amended.
Yes,
sir.
Thank
you
and
we
had
a
second
any
discussion,
questions
on
any
of
those
hearing.
None
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
now
for
third
reason:
any
discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
and
you
pose
the
eyes,
have
it.
That
leaves
us
with
just
one
item
for
first
reading,
which
I
think
was
a
zoning
matter
on
Rosedale
drive.
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
floor.
Any
discussions
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
the
United's
have
it.
Now
we
had
on
our
agenda
a
call,
an
item
for
an
executive
session,
but
this
was
related
to
an
executive
session
that
was
reported
out
on
by
a
real
estate
committee
with
basically
the
conclusion
that
we
would
have
staff
do
some
further
analysis
and
come
back
to
a
council
with
a
more
recommendations
on
how
to
proceed.
A
A
Can
I
have
a
motion
to
amend
the
agenda
by
withdrawing
the
item
for
an
executive
session,
any
discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye.
Somebody
please
make
one
or
two
statements
while
I
finish
signing
our
ordinances
for
this
evening,
or
we
can
just
give
me
a
few
more
seconds.
Everybody's
talked
out.
Our
next
regular
meeting
is
going
to
be
October
25th.