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City of Charleston Human Affairs and Racial Conciliation Commission 9/15/2022
B
B
All
right
we're
going
we're
going
to
get
started.
I
would
like
to
call
the
september
15th
2022
human
affairs
and
racial
conciliation
committee
meeting
to
order
the
time
is
now
501
on
my
end,
and
hopefully
everyone
is
doing
well,
we'll
start
with
the
invocation,
which
will
just
be
a
moment
of
silence.
B
B
A
B
C
B
E
E
Okay,
I
sent-
and
I
submitted,
I
guess-
for
lack
of
a
better
word
application
of
interest
on
the
committee
and,
as
my
statement
said,
I
wasn't
clear
if
that
was
that
would
suffice
or
if
I
also
needed
to
speak,
but
I
just
feel
that
well,
first
of
all
my
name
is
matt
woolsey.
I
live
on
james
island,
pretty
much
in
the
think
of
the
middle
of
james
island
and
I've
been
in
charleston
seven
years.
E
A
G
G
B
Thank
you
carol
for
that
correction
and
amendment.
So
can
I
hear
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
our
august
18th
2022
as
amended,
to
indicate
carroll's
amended
amendment
whatever
it
is
carol's
amendment
to
make
sure
that
the
the
record
reflects
that
he
was
indicating
he
wanted
to
to
volunteer
for
that
committee.
B
H
Thank
you,
jason,
so,
good
evening,
everyone
just
a
couple
of
updates.
I
highlighted,
updates
I'm
working
on
scheduling,
more
meetings
and
rescheduling.
Those
means
that
I
missed,
because
I
was
under
the
weather
and
thank
you
to
those
who
knew
I
was
under
the
weather
and
reached
out
I'm
on
the
men's
feeling
great.
Now,
I'm
also
working
with
communications
when
it
comes
to
our
website.
H
So
we
have
some
back-facing
internet
web
going
on
and
we
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
front-facing
and
user-friendly
so
that
we
have
visibility
and
I'm
working
with
the
communications
team.
Here.
As
far
as
the
city
of
charleston,
I
met
with
the
equity
corps
team
and
we
are
creating
some
mobility
when
it
comes
to
recruitment
for
other
members
of
the
different
departments
with
the
city
and
I'm
also
continuing
my
research
for
workshops.
H
I
know
that
we
are
looking
for
saturday
workshops
that
may
need
to
change,
but
I'm
pulling
over
one
more
stone
before
I
state
that
we
may
not
be
able
to
do
saturday
workshops.
It's
just
not
one
of
the
options
that
are
given
at
the
time
when
I
look
at
different
institutions
and
those
who
are
able
to
come
out
and
actually
do
the
trainings
with
us.
And
lastly,
I
know
it
was
noted
last
meeting
that
we
would
need
nameplates
or
some
way
to
identify
our
colleagues.
B
B
You
know
you
know.
During
the
day
you
know
we're
a
diverse
group.
Some
of
us,
you
know,
are
retired
or
not
retired
or
working.
So
let
me
just
throw
out
some
scenarios.
Could
we
do
something
you
know
later
in
the
day
like
three
ish
till
six
or
three
to
five?
Or
would
you
prefer
something
around
five
o'clock
after
the
work
hour?
K
I
mean,
if
I
had
to
guess
at
this
point:
it
might
just
be
easiest
to
kind
of
circulate
some
dates
like
that,
or
you
know
several
weeks
down
the
line,
and
that
might
just
give
everybody
a
better
opportunity
to
block
that
particular
time
off.
I
I
personally
don't
have
any
days
that
are
just
regularly
available,
so
it
might
be,
it
might
be
kind
of
hard
to
plan
on
that
basis,.
C
I
I
know
that-
and
maybe
this
was
a
product
of
you
know
the
tragedies
of
2020,
but
it
seemed
like
there
were
a
lot
of
consultants
that
were
willing
to
take
on
programs
like
this.
So
do
you
have
a
list
of
people
that
would
be
able
to
be
more
flexible.
As
you
know,
individuals
or
some
sort
of
consulting
group.
H
C
H
H
Yes,
I'm
gonna
send
them
my
way
and
also
to
stephen.
I
can
send
out
a
doodle
poll
to
give
certain
dates,
but
what
I
was
confirming
first
was
that
we
had
the
funding
and
two
that
we
had
like
some
kind
of
time
frame
or
something
to
just
go
from
because
sending
out
a
pool
for
like
it
would
be
easier.
If
I
send
it
from
three
to
this
time
or
this.
You
know
because
days
change
and
I
have
to
see
what
the
consultants
are
available
to
do
as
well,
so
that
would
narrow
it
down.
L
H
So
before
I
came
in
the
seat
amber
johnson-
and
there
are
others-
chloe
was
one
of
them
robin
monique
from
hr.
They
led,
what's
called
the
equity
core
group
for
the
city
of
charleston
and
that
group
there
are
individuals
who
have
a
passion
for
dei
work
and
they
represent
each
department
or
division
here
with
the
city.
So
what
we
do
is
we
meet
monthly
and
there's
also
open
open
discussion
about
you
know
someone
has
a
specific
topic.
C
B
B
M
B
Okay,
moving
on
we're
gonna
transition
to
our
rules,
operations
discussion,
you
all
had
received
a
copy
of
that
sent
out
yesterday.
The
intent
based
on
last
meeting
was
to
draft
something
get
that
something
sent
out
to
you.
So
we
can
establish
some
rules
and
policies.
For
for
this
commission,
we
can
have
a
discussion,
but
I'd
like
to
start
with
a
motion
to
to
approve
those
draft
rules,
and
then
we
can
go
into
discussions.
So
can
I
hear
a
motion
to
approve
the
draft
rules
that
have
been
presented
to
us.
B
F
B
J
J
The
area
under
roman
numeral,
three
b,
which
it
says,
resignation
where
the
letters
tbd
that's
to
be
developed,
is,
is
intended
there
and
throughout
the
document.
Where
you
see
tdb.
That's
the
case,
and
I
also
in
several
many
of
these
items
were
taken
from
just
lifted
from
the
city
council's
rules
and
procedures
and
some
so
some
of
the
archaic.
J
Some
of
the
language
is
simply
simply
lifted
and
insert
it,
and
we
certainly
can
clarify
if
necessary,
and
for
example,
there
is
a
section-
and
I
should
know
it,
but
I
don't
that
actually
makes
reference
to
a
fine
being
levied
for
doing
something
that
language
should
not
be.
We
should
remove
that
language
from
the
the
document,
so
the
effort
here
was
to
to
get
pretty
much
a
set
of
information
in
one
place.
J
Utilizing
the
city
council
rules
the
ordinance
that
created
us,
and
I
drew
also
from
the
citizen
police
advisory
committee
document,
which
guidelines
which
had
been
established
and
run
by
the
city
corporation
council.
So
the
effort
was
to
make
sure
we're
using
documents
that
were
pretty
much
already
approved.
J
B
K
In
in,
I
certainly
understand
bonnie
what
you're
saying-
and
it
makes
really
good
sense
to
make
this
accessible
to
the
public,
pretty
clearly
the
reason
that
some
of
these
were
used
just
because
it's
what
we
typically
use
in
council,
I
think
and
they're
they're,
not
the
best
word
choice.
If
we
were
writing
them
today,
but
they
weren't.
You
know
these
are
robert's
rules
basically,
so
like.
A
L
Mike
first,
thank
you
I'm
sorry,
I
have
my
camera
off,
but
I'm
in
a
spot
that
you
don't
want
to
see
where
I
am
so.
I
apologize
first
and
foremost
to
those
who
worked
on
these
rules.
It's
really
an
amazing
and
professional
job.
It's
really
great,
to
see
something
thoughtful
come
across
our
desk.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I
I
have
two
observations,
and
probably
they
come
from
the
from
the
angle
of
a
sitting.
L
Member
on
this
commission
and
as
a
city
council
member,
mr,
mr
and
mr
chairs,
one
is
the
media
contact.
I
mean
we
get
content
contacted
by
the
media
a
lot,
and
this
commission
is
going
to
garner
a
lot
of
attention
from
the
media.
I
think
a
outright
ban
on
talking
to
media
without
commission
approval
is
probably
something
that's,
maybe
even
antithetical
to
what
we
do
on
this
commission,
which
is
to
you
know,
speak
our
minds.
J
So
so
so
jason,
just
just
in
response
to
mike
the
notion,
was
the
intent
of
the
language
we
could
change.
It
was
not
to
have
prohibit
members
of
the
commission
from
speaking
to
the
media
is
just
they're,
not
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
commission,
in
other
words,
they're,
not
articulating
a
position
on
the
part
of
the
commission.
That's
that's
the
intent.
L
I
So
this
is
bob
raising
with
him
go
ahead.
Bob
yeah.
Just
to
reiterate
that
I
mean
that
language
was
there
just
to
remind
the
members
that
if
somebody
asks
you
a
question,
you
can't
speak
on
behalf
of
the
organization.
Obviously
you
can
always
speak
on
your
own
recognizance,
but
it
doesn't
give
us
the
authority
to
speak
for
the
organization.
I
Likewise,
there's
language
in
there
that
we
can't
incur
debts
or
engage
the
city
we're
only
an
advisory
body,
so
we
can't
you
know,
enter
contracts
or
anything
else
and
there's
language
in
there.
That
kind
of
addresses
that
I
will
speak
to
one
thing
that
because
I
was
the
guy
that
put
in
something
about
the
fines
which
is
lifted
straight
out
of
the
city
council
rules
because
we're
supposed
to
be
polite
to
each
other
and
in
city
council.
I
B
Thanks
bob,
so
I've
heard
so
far
three,
I
would
say
concerns
but
potential
changes.
One
is
maybe
a
definition
section
that
has
some
definitions
for
some
of
the
key
words
number
two
potentially
removing,
which
I
would
support
section
four
4fb,
which
is
the
defined
for
profanity
and
disrespect
and
then
potentially
mike
mike's,
rewrite
of
that
section
regarding
the
media
and
just
being
more
clear
about
what
we're
specifying
on
that.
Those
are
the
only
three
I've
heard
from
you
all,
stephen.
A
F
B
B
K
Just
in
I
mean
in
in
general
usage
memorial
would
just
be
something
put
in
writing
and
then
petition
would
be.
You
know
commonly
understood,
just
a
group
of
people
making
a
petition
or
even
one
person
making
a
petition.
So
I
again
certainly
old-fashioned
language.
That's
probably
not
the
easiest
way.
We
would
write
it
if
we
wrote
it
today
but
yeah.
I
point
point
well
taken
again.
Maybe
maybe
a
definition
section
helps
with
that.
K
C
Thank
you
and
yeah.
I
I
was
just
reacting
to
both
bonnie
and
steven's.
You
know
good
comments.
I
I
think
we
can.
I
I
think
we
can
trust
adrian
to
find
a
hybrid
approach
to
pick
out
the
words
that
are
either.
You
know
very
specific
and
topical
to
the
commission's
work
to
be
in
a
definition
list,
but
then
you
know
the
example
that
bonnie
gave
to
us
right
away.
Was
this
desirous
of
speaking?
C
C
You
know
to
understand
what
the
rule
is,
so
I
think
it
needs
to
be
plain
speaking
and
those
desirous
of
speaking
wouldn't
be
in
a
definitions
list
of
my
experience,
so
I
think
I
think
a
hybrid
we
can
we
can
do
this.
Everybody's
made
really
good
content.
We
need
to
you
know,
focus
on
these
types
of
things.
L
Carolyn
mike
so
so,
this
one
is
actually
when
you've
been
around
pretty
easy,
when
you
know
how
we
operate
city
council
and
how
we
pulled
this
from
our
rules
traditionally
at
committee.
In
fact,
in
all
our
committees,
except
for
some
of
the
newly
created
ones,
we
don't
have
public
comment.
So
if
someone
wants
to
bring
something
up
before
that
committee
for
consideration,
you
do
it
by
petition,
which
is
a
written
request,
a
memorial
which
is
a
written
observation
and
then
it
gets
debated.
L
We
have
public
comment
here,
so
I
think
when
we
get
into
the
definitions
section
and
when
we
sort
of
rethink
this,
this
paragraph
may
actually
be
superfluous
because
we
do
have
public
comment.
But
if
you
want
the
commission
to
take
up
a
matter,
it
has
to
be
done
in
writing
to
the
commission
in
advance.
So
we
can
put
on
an
agenda
that's
effectively.
What
this
language
is
and
petition
is
request.
Memorial
is
observation.
That's
and
you
know
we.
We
could
probably
dust
that
language
off
a
little
bit
and
shine.
It.
B
B
B
Thank
you.
Next
up
is
our
ordinance
amendment.
This
was
just
a
fyi
for
folks.
I
do
have
it
in
front
of
us.
So
if
you
recall
back
to
our
first
meeting,
this
is
our
fourth
meeting,
I
believe
so.
Our
first
meeting,
we
discussed
an
ordinance
that
was
going
to
come
to
council,
which
I
believe
is
coming
in
the
second
september
27th
or
28th.
B
So
this
is
going
to
have
to
come
to
council
for
a
change
to
the
original
ordinance
that
was
passed.
That's
the
one
change
and
then
the
other
change.
This
speaks
to
the
callers
who
called
in
right.
Now
we
do
have
a
vacancy
on
on
on
this
commission.
So
in
the
event,
any
seat
remains
open
for
more
than
three
meetings
attributable
to
a
council
member
appointment.
The
mayor
may
offer
a
nomination
for
council
consideration
so
that
will
likely
go
into
effect.
We
do
have
a
vacancy
and
based
on
the
fact
that
we've
gone.
B
This
is
our
fourth
meeting.
Once
we
pass
this
amended
ordinance,
we
should
be
able
to
fill
that
vacancy
based
on
the
mayor's
appointment.
So
those
are
the
two
changes
that
we
wanted
to
share
with
you
all
I'm
happy
to
have
a
discussion,
but
it
was
just
an
fyi.
This
is
an
ordinance
that
was
passed
by
city
council.
B
L
B
B
So
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
just
quickly
take
us
through
the
history
of
how
we
got
here
and
carol
feel
free
to
chime
in
you
know,
if
what
I'm
saying
doesn't
ring
true
or
if
you've
got
additional
questions,
but
I
think
part
of
part
of
carol's
request
was
a
brief
history
and
jerry.
You
were
there
with
me
and
and
carol
of
course,
jackson.
B
You
were
there,
so
please
correct
the
record
if
I
by
mistake
and
mistake
this,
but
in
june
of
2020,
the
mayor
had
decided
to
put
a
special
commission
together
called
the
equity
inclusion,
racial
conciliation
commission
and
asked
myself
and
councilman
gregory
to
chair
that
special
commission
that
was
in
june
of
2020.
Our
first
commission
meeting
was,
I
believe,
in
september
october
time
frame
we
met
for
several
months.
The
original
timeline
was
90
days
to
come
up
with
recommendations.
B
We
quickly
realized
that
we
needed
additional
time.
So
again,
we
went
back
to
council
for
for
kind
of
an
extension
on
that
council
granted
that
it
was
about
a
year
that
we
made
the
final
recommendations
and
presented
those
recommendations
at
the
august
2021
meeting
in
I
believe
it
was
daniel
island
or
james
island.
I
can't
can't
recall
daniel
island
august
17th,
the
infamous
daniel,
thank
you
gary
for
that
and
feel
free
to
chime
in
so
we
had
our.
I
was
on
the
agenda
for
approval
at
the
august
meeting.
B
At
that
point
we
took
a
vote
to
approve
the
res
receiving
the
report.
We
did
not
necessarily-
and
I
guess
you
know,
carol
and
carol
jackson
and
mike
feel
free
to
chime.
In
from
a
procedural
standpoint,
we
didn't
necessarily
have
to
take
a
vote
to
receive
the
report.
Many
commissions
provide
the
recommendations
to
council
and
we
don't
take
a
vote.
It's
just
for
information
only
so
we
could
have
chosen
to
do
that.
I
believe
councilman
gregory
opted
to
have
a
voice
or
vote
vote
count.
B
That
vote
failed
by
one
vote.
I
believe
to
receive
the
report
and
basically
that
report
was
not
received
by
council,
even
though,
technically
speaking
the
mayor
did
receive
the
report
and
staff
did
receive
the
report.
That's
took
us
to
august
so
carol
and
mike
and
jerry
and
alvin,
and
anyone
else
that's
on
is
that
correct.
Did
I
have
the
the
dates
correct
and
feel
free
to
add
in.
C
I
mean,
I
think
the
only
thing
you
didn't
add
was
at
that
same
raucous
meeting
the
there
was
the
first
reading
of
the
establishment
of
a
permanent
commission,
and
we
did
have
a
positive
vote
for
that
that
establishment
under
the
it
was
a
different
language
than
what
is
currently
established,
the
ordinance
that
actually
has
now
established
the
existing
heart.
Okay,
we
had,
we
had
a.
B
B
G
Okay
yeah.
Thank
you,
jason
very
much.
I
appreciate
it,
you
know
and-
and
I
I
don't
want
to
take
up-
you
know
any
more
time.
You
know
for
the
full
commission
here,
but
what
I
was
looking
at
was
trying
to
understand
you
know
and
and
without
having
to
go
back
I'm
I
don't
know
if
all
the
meetings
of
the
special
commission
are
are
online
and
as
an
example
I
could
go
back
and
look
at
every
one
of
them.
G
You
know,
I
guess
that's
one
option,
but
you
know
I
what
I
was
looking
at
was
I
mentioned
that
I
looked
at
the
last
meeting
of
the
commission
before
presenting
to
the
council,
gotcha
and
councilman
appel
brought
up
the
fact
that
you
know
there's
some
things
here.
That
may
create
some
issues,
and
you
know
what
I
was
looking
at
was.
G
G
You
know
and-
and
you
can
give
me
some
benefit
if
I
have
to
I'll,
go
back
and
look
at
all
of
those
meetings,
and
but
I
have
a
feeling,
that's
a
lot
of
hours
of
meetings
that
I
would
have
to
go
through
to
see
that.
So
I
appreciate
what
you
did,
but
it
you
know
it
didn't
get
at
the
issue
that
I'm
really
trying
to
get
at
was.
Was
there
discussion
about
these
controversial
issues
and
why
they
were
controversial
and
the
decision
was
made?
G
B
I'm
happy
to
weigh
in
on
that
and
and
jerry
and
elvin
and
carol
were
both
a
part
of
that
process
and
I'm
happy
to
weigh
in,
and
I
do
want
to
say
carol.
You
know
this.
This
is
the
nature
of
this
work,
so
you're
not
wasting
our
time
you're,
not
wasting
my
time.
I
think
this
is
an
important
conversation,
councilman
gregory
and
myself,
who
co-chaired
the
special
commission,
made
it
very
clear
to
the
to
the
commissioners
that
everything
is
on
the
table
that
we
were
not
going
to
sanitize
their
language.
B
We
weren't
going
to
hamper
any
kind
of
ideas
that
they
had
and
we
and
we
knew
some
of
the
items
coming
out
were
going
to
be
controversial.
We
made
that
very
clear
early
on
myself.
You
know
early
on
now
what
that
did
was
it
did.
It
did
put
our
commissioners
kind
of
in
a
place
where
we
had
they
had
asked
several
times.
B
You
know
anything's
on
the
table
and
I
said
well,
anything
is
on
the
table
because
these
are
just
recommendations
and
that's
the
point
that
many
of
us
have
made
that
these
are
just
mere
recommendations.
None
of
this
is
law
which
goes
back
to
my
point
as
as
as
the
political
process
started
to
ramp
up
because
and
and
the
and
the
vitriol
started
to
occur.
B
My
my
contention
always
was
that
these
are
just
mere
recommendations.
I'm
not
really
sure
why
folks
are
getting
upset
at
a
recommendation.
We
live
in
america,
it's
we
have
freedom
of
speech,
and
this
is
essentially
someone's
exercise
to
freedom
of
speech
carol
and
jerry
and
elvin
can
weigh
in.
But
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you're
aware
we
were
very
clear:
they
did
a
great
job
that
it
was.
B
A
B
J
J
Yeah
so
yeah
carol,
absolutely
the
all
the
meanings
of
the
special
commission
are
archived
and
if
you
actually
go
to
the
harc
website,
there's
a
link
back
to
the
special
commission
website
and
and
those
meetings.
If
you
looked
at
the
august
4th,
which
was
the
last
meeting
of
the
special
commission
where
councilman
appel
identified
what
he
thought
might
be
controversial
issues,
there
was
a
discussion
and
a
debate,
and
the
vote
was
unanimous
by
the
commission,
the
special
commission
to
move
the
report
forward.
J
All
of
the
members
of
the
commission
said
move
the
report
forward.
There
was
all
along
in
our
conversations
and
discussions
each
of
the
subcommittees
met
separately.
There
were
only
a
couple
of
occasions
where
we
shared
with
each
other
at
the
general
meeting.
Very
briefly
what
was
in
our
reports,
but
it
was
clear
we
and
I
I
chaired
the
criminal
justice
subcommittee.
It
was
clear
to
us
that
our
charge
was
to
identify
actions
that
we
thought
were
potentially
would
have
an
impact
on
the
direction
that
was
given
and
again.
J
J
In
at
the
august
I
mean
the
acceptance
of
the
report
was
rejected.
I'll
remind
you
that
the
ordinance,
which
was
the
recommendation
of
the
commission,
that
we
moved
forward,
was
approved
on
first
reading,
but
was
defeated
on
second
reading,
which
then
required
the
reintroduction
of
an
ordinance
that
eventually
got
adopted
in
february
of
2022
to
create
hark,
rather
than
a
standing
commission
on
equity
inclusion
and
racial
conciliation.
L
That
would
be
helpful
too,
and
also
I
made
a
comment
at
that
last
commission
meeting
that
I
think,
whenever
you
do
go
back
and
watch
that
that
that
video,
please
be
sure
to
pay
attention
to
my
comment
that
I
made
in
response
to
council
member
appel's
statement.
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
put
that
in
there
for
you
guys
so
yeah.
C
C
Tell
the
story
on
how
the
recommendations
were
brought
forward
and
jason
is
absolutely
right.
No,
no
one
in
authority
told
the
subcommittees
that
they
should
do
any
less
than
make
it
their
best
work
for
the
ideas
that
they
were.
You
know,
first
of
all,
researching
and
compared
in
comparison
to
the
disparities
report,
which
was
the
foundation
of
their
analysis.
C
We
were
supposed
to
be
providing
recommendations
that
would
give
the
city
the
opportunity
to
basically
improve
the
conditions
that
the
disparities
have
captured
over
15
years
of
charleston
county
society.
So
I
I
I
think
that
we
were
not
naive.
I
guess,
as
a
commission,
when
we
took
that
vote
on
august
4th
last
year,
knowing
that
there
would
be
opposition
on
a
on
a
level
that
is,
is
pretty
familiar
to
a
lot
of
people
having
lived
in
charleston.
C
You
know
I
I'm
I'm
still
essentially
new,
but
it's
not
unfamiliar
to
me
and
trying
to
work
here
since
the
early
80s.
So
I
do
feel
like
you
know,
that
is
the
history.
We
knew
that
we
were
that
we
were
pushing
an
uphill
set
of
equations
from
the
very
beginning,
and
I
think
everybody
on
the
commission
felt
you
know
maybe
sad
on
some
level,
but
certainly
not
innocent
about
what
we
knew.
That
was
going
to
be.
You
know
out
in
public
after
that.
G
G
We
have
to
move
forward
in
unity,
and
that
is
what
is
going
to
help
us
get
to
where
we
need
to
be
that
we
move
together
in
unity
and
not
in
division,
and
you
know
that's
what
I
advocate
doing
and
you
know
I
feel
good
about.
You
know
what
we're
doing
so
far
and
looking
forward
to
continuing
the
work.
L
L
So
we
we
just
have
to
be
cognizant
of
that,
going
forward
that
the
work
that
we're
doing
is
not
popular
and
it's
not
going
to
be
easy.
So
just
just
just
please
keep
that
in
mind.
As
a
group
collectively
we
will
not
be
the
most
popular
people
in
the
city
of
charleston
and
I'm
okay
with
that.
I
hope
everybody
else
on.
This
call
is
okay
with
that
too.
B
Thanks
alvin
and
good
luck
to
your
daughter,
it
sounds
like
she's
having
a
great
time
before
before
we
transition
to
the
story,
mapping
presentation
by
chloe,
who
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
for
for
being
here,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
tremendously
helpful
and
it's
going
to
help
us
kind
of
as
a
group
kind
of
level
set
where
we
are.
I
think
it's
you'll
see
some
powerful
things.
The
two
things
I
do
want
to
mention
is
going
back
to
carol's
point,
not
carol
jackson,
but
carol
one.
B
B
This
city
owes
them
a
debt
of
gratitude
for
the
volunteer
hours
and
then
and
the
work
that
they
put
together,
and
this
goes
for
every
commission
any
volunteer.
Commission.
We
don't
realize
the
amount
of
work
that
goes
into
it.
The
report
that
they
put
together
took
hours
so
the
the
the
youtube
videos
that
you're
going
to
see
carol
were
just
our
commission
meetings
like
this.
B
There
were
several
that
met
every
other
week,
the
the
subcommittee's
meeting
that
that
weren't
available,
probably
not
going
to
be
available
on
youtube,
but
hours
and
hours
and
hours
of
countless
hours.
So
if
you
put
yourself
in
my
shoes
and
some
of
the
commission
members
shoes
when
we
heard
the
vitriol
regarding
three
or
four
of
those
recommendations
and
completely
disregarding
the
other
122,
it
really
left
a
bad
taste
in
our
mouth
that
you
know.
We
get
that.
B
There's
the
controversy
on
some
of
this
stuff,
but
there's
an
overwhelming
majority
and
body
of
work.
That
was
that
was
very
helpful
and
I
think
it's
going
to
move
our
city
in
in
in
a
in
a
positive
way.
So
I
just
wanted
to
before
we
transition
share
that
with
you
all
story:
mapping,
presentation,
chloe:
you
are
up.
D
B
D
D
D
We
are
with
400
other
jurisdictions
that
are
members
of
that
network.
It's
a
peer-to-peer
network
that
brings
together
racial
equity
directors
and
leads
and
to
exchange
information
collaborate
and
how
to
advance
racial
equity
in
their
cities
and
to
develop
solutions
to
racial
equity
challenges
to
become
a
member.
You
have
to
demonstrate
that
that
jurisdiction
is
already
taking
steps
to
advance
racial
equity
across
all
functions
of
the
city
and
also
depth
so
from
executive
elected
leader
leadership
to
frontline
staff.
D
It
shares
a
lot
of
tools.
There's
access
to
tools,
resources
forums,
this
tool,
the
story
map
that
I
will
be
presenting
to
all
tonight
came
from
this
network.
The
city
of
asheville
has
a
similar
tool.
It
inspired
us
to
make
our
own-
and
this
was
a
collaborative
project
between
the
then
called
office
of
equity,
inclusion
and
racial
conciliation
and
the
planning
department,
and
we
had
considerable
support
from
our
gis
staff
as
well.
D
So
this
was
a
a
team
of
folks
amber
johnson
and
I
co-led
this
project,
and
this
is
something
that's
sort
of
ongoing
and
develop
in
development,
and
I'm
hoping
that
in
the
discussion
afterward,
if
you
all,
have
any
feedback
or
suggestions
for
how
we
can
improve
this
tool
or
add
to
it
or
build
build
on
it.
Other
tools
you'd
like
to
see,
really
encourage
and
welcome
any
feedback
you
have
so
we
created
this.
D
We've
presented
at
open
data
day
to
city
council,
the
core
team
that
adrian
mentioned
earlier
esri,
which
is
a
gis,
a
geospatial,
the
the
sort
of
main
mapping
software
out
there
they
reached
out
to
us.
They
have
a
racial
equity
team
to
to
learn
more
about
the
tool.
The
white
house
office
of
science
and
technology
policy
has
reached
out
to
the
city
about
this.
D
College
of
charleston
have
spoken
to
college
of
charleston
undergraduate
class
on
environmental
justice
on
the
tool,
and
we've
received
requests
for
presentations
from
the
center
for
creative
retirement
and
just
today
from
musc.
So
just
it's
already
an
action
as
an
educational
tool,
and
and
so
it's
it's
serving
its
purpose,
and
and
I
anticipate
that
there
will
be
more
opportunities
and
presentations
like
those.
D
All
right,
so
the
way
I'm
going
to
do
this
is
I'm
going
to
basically
just
give
you
all
a
tour
of
the
tool,
I'm
not
going
to
read
through
everything.
The
idea
is
that
this
is
something
that
you
would
go
through
and
spend
time
with
on
your
own
independently,
so
I'll
hit
some
highlights
and
then
I'll
show
you
how
it
works
or
the
options
that
you
have
in
terms
of
the
interaction
and
please
feel
free
to
interrupt
me
at
any
point.
If
you
have
questions
or
want
me
to
go
back
to
something.
D
D
D
This
is
a
map
from
the
city
plan,
charleston
city
plan,
and
it's
showcasing
the
historic
african-american
settlement
communities
throughout
the
city
of
charleston.
We
recognized
56
at
the
time
we've
we've
since
learned
of
more
so.
This
is.
This
is
just
a
start
to
understanding
the
the
vastness
of
the
of
the
black
community
in
the
city
of
charleston.
D
Just
something
to
note
throughout
this,
as
you
read
through
it,
the
language
and
tone
of
this
is
is
explicitly
direct,
not
trying
to
soften
the
story,
because
the
story
of
race
and
charleston
is
is
difficult
and
uncomfortable
and
painful.
So
just
be
mindful
of
that,
as
when
you
take
the
time
to
read
through
this.
D
Actually,
it's
back
up
here,
a
little
bit.
So
what
this
first
part
here
kind
of
takes
you
through
is
this
land
was
stewarded
by
indigenous
tribes
and
colonists.
Came
then
the
slave
trade
led
to
a
situation
where
the
population
was
three
to
one
sort
of
african-americans
outnumbered
white
charlestonians
by
three
to
one
for
gender
generations.
D
This
map
shows
you
the
prevalence
of
of
black
communities
in
the
city
of
charleston
city.
The
history
of
charleston
is
is
not
as
a
white
city
until
recently,
at
least
in
terms
of
population
numbers,
it's
predominantly
non-white
for
most
for
most
of
the
the
history
that
we
typically
focus
on,
but
that
was
not
without
attempts
to
change
that
in
1931.
D
The
city
of
charleston
planning
and
zoning
commission
contracted
with
a
firm
in
new
england
called
morrisonelles
to
essentially
provide
us
with
our
first
comprehensive
plan.
It
wasn't
called
that
comprehensive
plans,
weren't
common
as
they
are
today,
they
weren't
mandated
by
the
state
then,
and
it
provided
the
blueprints
for
our
first
zoning
ordinance,
I'm
going
to
zoom
into
some
text
from
the
report,
and
this
is
all
accessible.
I
believe
we've
digitized
this
all
now
and
is
in
the
low
country,
digital
library.
D
Today,
those
same
communities
that
were
redlined
have
52
less
in
equity.
Their
public
schools
typically
are
undefunded,
they're,
hotter,
less
access
to
healthy
food,
more
exposure
to
pollution,
higher
instances
of
chronic
health
conditions
and
3.6
years
lower
life
expectancy.
So
those
decisions,
then,
even
though
they
were
in
the
past,
the
legacy
is
still
very
alive
and
having
effects
today.
D
This
is
a
map
that
we
actually
created
to
looking
at
historic
imagery,
with
the
overlay
of
I-26
pathway
going
over
existing
communities.
This
particular
shot
is
of
garden
hill
on
the
upper
in
the
neck
area
by
where
joseph
floyd
manor
is,
and
the
practice
of
urban
renewal,
through
housing
initiatives
and
through
highway
initiatives
destroyed
about
2000
communities
across
the
country,
and
we
have
several
examples
of
such
projects.
In
charleston,
we
created
a
a
sort
of
a
parallel
tool.
D
Another
story
map
because
that
that
granted
a
whole
that
warranted
a
whole
another
exploration
into
those
examples
in
charleston,
currently
we're
working
on
getting.
Let
me
scroll
back
up
the
top
here.
We're
working
on
restoring
the
historical
imagery.
The
source
that
we
are
pulling
from
is
is
no
longer
working,
so
we're
working
on
fixing
that
so
you're
not
getting
the
full
effect.
D
If
you
do
look
through
this
tool
right
now,
but
this
walks
you
through
the
projects
and
when
it's
working
on
the
left,
you
would
see
the
old,
the
historic
imagery
from
the
pre
i26,
pre
infrastructure
projects
and
then
on
the
right
hand,
side
is
modern
day
so
that
you're
not
getting
the
effect
now.
But
that's
what
you
can
access
throughout
this
tool.
So
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
this
now,
but
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
this
tool
is
also
available
and
I
highly
recommend
it.
D
D
D
D
D
D
This
is
showing
the
disparities
in
income
by
race
which
are
getting
worse
so
the
gap,
the
income
gap
is
increasing
and
we
also
did
an
analysis
on
cost
burden.
Households
across
the
city
and
neighborhoods
with
the
majority
of
black
residents
were
more
than
twice
as
likely
to
be
housing
cost
burden
as
those
with
a
majority
of
white
residents.
D
So
this
is
just
showing
general
population
change,
not
by
race,
it's
just
where
we're
growing
and
where
we're
losing
people,
you
just
keep
scrolling
to
change
maps,
and
then
this
is
showing
change
in
black
population
by
neighborhoods
at
the
neighborhood
scale.
With
this
tool
you
can
you
can
use
these
to
zoom
in
and
out
you
can.
I
believe.
Yes,
you
can
click
on
a
neighborhood
to
see
the
statistics.
D
D
D
D
D
So
we
use
this
methodology
that
la
used
for
their.
They
thought
their
indices
of
neighborhood
change.
So
we
use
the
same
methodology.
Dark
purple
is
high
change,
white
or
light
blue
is
is
no
change
and
again
you
can,
I
believe,
yeah
click
on
a
neighborhood
and
it'll
show
you
the
scores
for
each
of
those
metrics.
D
D
D
D
So
I'm
the
rest
of
this,
so
this
is,
in
summary,
the
the
problems
that
we're
dealing
today
are
tied
to
a
past.
That
was
intentional,
whether
they're,
intentional
or
not
today,
and
so
we're
going
to
have
to
break
the
cycle
that
was
started
long
ago,
and
we
have
some
resources
here
showing
how
we're
we're
incorporating
this
type
of
data
into
other
issues.
D
He
said
at
a
recent
convening
I
went
to.
We
can't
just
do
a
lot
of
different
things.
We
have
to
do
things
differently.
We
have
to
acknowledge
the
harm
and
then
we
need
to
rewrite
the
rules.
So
these
are
tools
that
can
help
us
understand
what
that
harm
is
and
and
how
we
can
change
things
going
forward.
D
L
B
B
B
J
D
So
the
way
that
I
see
that
sort
of
how
we
can
grow
this
is
as
an
educational
tool.
We
wouldn't
want
to
add
too
much
more
length
to
it,
but
in
that
end
portion
where
we're
showcasing
the
various
tools
that
different
departments
are
using
or
different
projects
are
using,
we
can
certainly
add
to
that
sort
of
slideshow
there
and
direct
people
to
those.
We
also
have
an
open
data
portal
set
up.
D
D
I
we're
between
the
offi,
the
hark
office
and
our
innovation
office
and
our
gis
yeah
we're
working
together
to
support
more
teams
and
departments
to
create
tools.
So
if
you
have
ideas
for
you're
like,
we
would
really
like
to
understand
what
the
disparities
are
in
this
area
or
we
would
like
a
tool
that
allows
us
to
do
this
and
to
see
this
to
help
us
understand
what
the
issue
is
and
inform
recommendations
that
we
put
forward
to
city
council.
C
D
C
B
J
D
K
K
I
think
this
is
really
helpful
to
understand
the
story
of
the
city,
but
you
know
jerry.
You
were
at
the
meeting
the
other
night.
You
watched
that
whole
conversation
about
painful
conversation
at
some
points
about
about
redistricting
and
that's
sort
of
the
the
nail
in
the
coffin
to
that
presentation.
K
To
use
a
very
bad
metaphor
it
it
it
is,
it
is
just
so
stark
how
how
serious
you
know.
All
the
problems
that
we
are
going
to
talk
about
on
this
commission,
from
mainly
affordability,
really
is,
is
really
the
the
thing
that
I
would,
I
think,
like
to
see
come
out
of
this
mission
is
something
to
make
this
city
more
livable
for
the
folks
that
we
are
clearly
driving
out
and
if
you
haven't
had
a
chance
to
look
at
our
redistricting
conversations.
L
K
B
B
Someone
is
obviously
not
african-american
was
that
in
my
mind,
growing
up
in
the
north.
We
heard
about
slavery,
we
heard
about
the
injustices
and
it
was
always
this
paradigm
of
that
was
like
200
years
ago.
You
know
or
300
years
ago.
Certainly
things
have
improved.
We've
just
elected
an
african-american
president
racism
doesn't
exist.
I
heard
that
I
felt
that
beyonce
I
felt
that
I
represent
ashley
maryville
in
west
ashley
and
that's
a
one
of
our
most
historic
african-american
communities
here
in
charleston
and
I'm
sharing.
B
Really
illustrates
to
me
that
the
issues
we
have
are
not
from
200
years
ago,
ashley
maryville
was
a
burgeoning
economic
powerhouse
in
our
area.
They
had
their
own
banks,
they
had
their
own
commerce,
they
had
their
own
grocery
stores,
they
had
their
own
dentists
and
doctors.
For
all
intents
and
purposes,
it
was
one
of
the
most
successful
communities
in
south
carolina
1936
the
state
interjected
itself
and
took
its
charter
away,
which
essentially
disbanded
the
community
so
fast
forward.
B
A
few
years,
many
of
the
folks
that
were
living
in
ashland
maryville
were
fighting
in
world
war
ii.
Came
back
on
the
gi
bill
thought
that
they
would
be
able
to
purchase
a
little
parcel
of
land
in
their
neighborhood.
Well,
in
fact,
the
banks
told
them
that
ain't
happening.
We
had
the
redlining,
so
that's
one
generation
ago.
I
see
people
on
this
call
and
I'm
not
calling
out
people's
ages,
but
that
was
less
than
70
some
years
ago.
B
That's
a
lifetime
that
is
not
200
years
ago.
So
it's
easy
for
me
to
see
the
direct
correlation
of
decisions
that
were
intentionally
made
in
the
1940s
and
50s
that
prevented
those
communities
from
building
generational
wealth
to
where
we
are
today
and
not
just
not
having
the
generational
wealth
in
a
home.
But
when
you
fast
forward
and
extrapolate
out,
we
have
some
of
the
worst
public
schools
in
some
of
these
communities,
some
of
the
worst
food
deserts
that
we
have
in
these
communities
and
the
list
goes
on.
B
B
Result,
someone
made
it
mentioned
that
it
is
becoming
unlivable
for
all
folks
downtown
to
to
afford
downtown,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
remember
that
it
disproportionately
affects
our
african-american
community
and
that's
that,
for
me,
that's
been
a
a
resonating
message
around
this
work
that
this
is
not
just
about
race.
This
is
about
making
sure
all
of
us
in
charleston
get
to
a
place
where
we
have
an
affordable
place
to
live,
but
also
acknowledging
that
you
know
we
all
don't
start
on
first
base.
Some
of
us
start
on
third
base.
B
B
I
love
that
and
I
love
that
question,
so
we
gotta
come
back
with
with
the
rules.
I
think
today
was
a
a
an
attempt
to
kind
of
give
us
a
little
bit
of
history.
I
did
hear
from
previous
meetings,
particularly
I
think
was
mr
simmons.
Maybe
was
not
bob
or
carol.
I
can't
remember,
but
wanted
to
make
sure
that
they
had
a
full
understanding
of
the
work.
So
I
think
our
workshop
will
help
with
that.
B
But
to
answer
your
question
bonnie,
I
am
ready
to
to
get
that
workshop
group
together
start
looking
at
through
the
recommendations.
I
just
wanted
to
be
cognizant
and
respectful
of
of
the
fact
that
some
folks
are
aren't
aware
of
everything.
That's
been
gone
on
and
we're
going
to
disagree
on
some
things,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
comfortable
with
us
proceeding
because
I
think
to
carol's
question
earlier
carol.
B
Jackson,
you
know
we
didn't
take
this
opportunity
with
the
special
commission
and
we
kind
of
just
rushed
into
things,
and
I
think
we
assumed
some
folks
were
aware
of
definitions
of
words
or
aware
of
the
history
and
we
didn't
take
time
to
to
take
inventory.
So
we
are
now.
This
is
our
fourth
meeting
we're
heading
into
our
fifth
meeting.
I'm
hoping
that,
as
we
come
into
our
fifth
meeting,
that
we
can
get
to
work
and
start
talking
about
the
workshop
work
group
and
and
looking
at
the
recommendations.
M
M
When
they
feel
that
others
are
doing
something
on
their
behalf,
because
simply
because
it's
the
right
thing
to
do-
and
I
think
there
are
things
out
there-
I
don't
know
what
they
all
are.
But
I
feel
like
this
group
could
be
the
voice
in
leading
forth
some
of
the
very,
very
positive
things
that
are
happening
and
the
changes
that
are
being
enacted.
B
Thank
you
sharon.
I
will
say
I'm
not
going
to
put
elven
on
the
spot,
but
elvin
was
a
chair
for
our
economic
empowerment
subcommittee
and
they
spent
countless
hours
on
answering
some
of
those
questions.
So
I
would,
I
would
implore
you
all
to
if
you
haven't
look
at
some
of
those
recommendations
that
the
road
map
is
there.
I'm
certainly
not
saying
all
the
solutions
that
are
there,
but
the
roadmap
is
there
and
and
a
lot
of
that
work
has
already
been
done
to
a
certain
degree.
We
just
got
to
connect
the
dots.
C
Know
so
I
I
want
to
bring.
I
think
it
would
be
very
helpful
for
beginning
next
meeting
if
we
could
add
a
standing
agenda
item
called
case
studies
or
you
know
examples.
However,
you
want
to
say
it
of
of
the
things
that
are
are
going
on
in
our
city.
That
would
be
directly
connected
to
some
of
our
recommendations
and
then
then
that
would
be
we
could
each
bring
forward.
C
You
know
an
example
not
not
to
have
the
whole
meeting
like
that,
but
I
I
know
of
two
things
that
were
introduced
to
the
city
council
during
public
comment
period,
this
this
past
tuesday.
That
are
prime
examples
of
the
things
that
we
were.
We
were
meeting
about
all
through
the
special
commission
and
making
recommendations,
and
I
a
lot
of
people
learn
by
numbers.
C
A
lot
of
people
learn
by
visual,
a
lot
of
people
learn
by
stories
and
I
think,
as
much
as
we
can
identify
exactly
what
is
happening
in
our
city
on
a
small
scale,
but
a
case
study
type
framework
that
that
could
help
people
really
say,
like
you
have
jason.
Yes,
we're
not
talking
about
the
past,
we're
talking
about
the
present
and
the
future
and
it,
and
it
really
is
more
compelling
when
people
have
something
folk
to
focus
on
that
they
can
sink
their
teeth
in.
B
Thank
you
carol,
we'll
add
that
to
the
agenda
moving
forward
so
as
we
formulate
the
agenda
think
about
that.
Adrian
definitely
want
to
dig
into
the
recommendations
in
that
work
group.
I
think
carol's
spot
on
with
some
sort
of
relevant
examples,
and
I
think
it
helps
other
than
that
jerry.
Any
thoughts.
Yeah.
J
J
I
don't
know
whether
or
not
adrian
mentioned
the
city
division
of
culture,
we'll
be
sending
invitations
to
members
of
the
commission
to
participate
in
the
activities
of
the
moshe
festival,
which
is
a
cultural
festival
focused
around
african
american
and
caribbean
experiences,
again
an
opportunity
for
folks
to
experience
something
they
haven't.
It's
a
city
sponsored
event
the
it
begins.
I
believe
september
29th.
J
It
runs
through
october,
9th,
so
check
your
email
for
that,
and
I
would
expect
that
in
the
future
we'll
be
receiving
those
kind
of
invitations
as
as
commissioners.
So
it
gives
you
enough
give
us
another
opportunity
to
be
engaged
and
involved
in
things
today.
The
mayor
had
there
was
announcement
in
the
mayor's
office
of
hispanic
heritage
month
activity,
so
11
o'clock
there's
a
calendar
that
runs
from
the
15th
of
this
month
to
the
15th
the
next
month
of
activities.
J
That's
the
kind
of
information
that
you
know
we'll
be
sharing
with
each
other,
and
the
last
comment
is
there's
a
group
from
greenville
who
have
a
similar
charge
to
ours.
Who'll
be
visiting
charleston
next
next
week
and
we've
been
invited
to
be
listening
on
a
panel
in
terms
of
what
they're
doing
and
share
with
them
a
little
bit
of
what's
happening
in
charleston.
I
believe
that's
next.
J
J
Gonna
send
it
well.
Well,
I
don't
know
what
the
I'll
check
on
it,
whether
or
not
you
know
we
can
come
if
it's
an
open
event
or
not,
I
think
they're
doing
a
luncheon.
You
know
for
the
for
the
group
but
I'll
check
on
that.
But
again
it's
an
example
when
we're
talking
when
mike
was
talking
about
having
the
opportunity
to
speak
about
what
we're
doing,
but
not
speaking
for
this
is
an
example
of
a
opportunity
for
us
to
learn
and
be
exposed.
B
H
B
Yeah,
hey
neighbor:
we
should
be
able
to
link
to
that.
You
know
when
we
send
our
stuff
out.
There
should
be
a
link
embedded
within
that
we
could
talk
more.
I
just
think
we
need
to
get
the
common
practice
of
getting
some
of
this
information
out
to
the
public
with
that.
Is
there
anything
else
to
come
before
this
evening's
commission?