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City of Charleston Commission on History 12/15/21
B
B
Then,
when
this
does
go
to
council
to
be,
you
know,
for
a
council
to
vote
on
it,
I'm
assuming
that
there
will
be
an
opportunity
for
the
public
to
weigh
in
so
with
all
that
said,
thank
you
all
for
being
here.
I
see
that
we're
recording
this
so
call
to
order.
Is
item
number
one
the
minutes
were
sent
out
and
I
commend
you
phil
clapper
for
those
incredible
minutes
that
you
sent
very
intensive,
do
are
there
any
changes?
B
C
C
C
B
I
mean
I've.
I've
got
the
minutes
here,
wilmot
the
I
think
I've
got
the
senator
reid,
they
read
the
populist
needed
to
have
a
clearer
idea
about
who
they
were
and
in
america.
I
think
it
should
be.
I
mean,
as
americans,
sorry
with
all
of
the
varied
stripes
that
they
might
have
had,
some
of
whom
existed
as
the
same
time
as
frederick
douglass.
C
B
C
B
C
B
Sure
I'm
going
to
read
the
sentence
now
to
see
if
it
makes
sense,
so
this
is
on
page
11,
the
third
paragraph
from
the
bottom,
the
populists
needed
to
have
a
clearer
idea
about
who
they
were
as
americans.
I
think
we
should
make
that
as
with
an
s
with
all
the
varied
stripes
they
might
have
had
period.
I
guess
calhoun
existed
at
the
same
time
as
frederick
right.
Both
were
americans,
so
we've
got
that
emandation
and
again,
I
think
philip.
These
were
incredible
minutes.
D
B
E
C
E
A
B
Okay,
that
might
make
it
easier.
Okay,
so
I
think
the
minutes
are
approved,
which
now
takes
us
to
agenda
item
two,
which
is
sorry
that
was
agenda
item
two
approval
of
the
minutes
called
it
was
number
one.
The
john
c
calhoun
monument
request
is
our
old
business
now
coming
up
before
us.
There's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
this.
I
do
want
to
say
his
point
of
information
from
what
I
understand
is.
I
think
the
options
available
to
us
this
afternoon
are
to
either
vote.
B
You
know
either
either
say
yes
or
no
or
defer,
but
I
do
want
to
bring
the
point
forward
that,
as
far
as
I
understand
it,
regardless
of
what
we
do
today,
this
item
will
be
brought
up
to
the
city
in
january.
I
believe
I'm
correct
in
saying
that
so
I
just
wanted.
You
know
y'all
to
know
that
that,
regardless
of
what
we
do,
the
whether
we
say
yes
or
no
or
defer-
but
I
do
think
it
will
be
coming
before
city
council
in
january.
F
I
think
it'd
be
good
for
the
people
who
are
on
who
maybe
miss
what
you
said
that
the
public
has
an
opportunity
to
address
city
council.
In
other
words,
I
know
there's
some
feeling
that
people
maybe
wanted
to
get
heard
today.
That
cannot
be,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
people
will
have
an
opportunity
to
express
their
opinion
to
city
council.
B
Exactly
right
what
I
was
trying
to
say
earlier
and
and
if
I
can
backtrack
a
little
bit
the
reason
that
there's
no
input
this
from
I
understand
is
the
possibility
of
zoom
bombing,
and
that
has,
despite
what
people
may
think.
That
has
been
the
practice
for
quite
some
time.
It
is
not
a
new
practice
that
has
been
that
has
been
created
for
this
meeting.
B
B
That's
on
that
day's
agenda
and
depending
on
how
many
people
sign
up
it's
my
understanding
that
that's
how
much
time
is
left
if
30
people
sign
up
for
the
30
minutes,
each
one
has
a
minute
that
kind
of
thing
as
well,
so
for
people
who
are
attending
from
the
public,
you
know
don't
feel
that
your
voice
is
going
to
be
unheard
or
unlistened
to,
and
it's
city
council
that
will
be
making
the
ruling
on
this
we
are
here
just
to
recommend
is.
Is
that
will
that
do
robert?
That's.
A
G
B
B
That
we
have
an
impact
on
we're.
Just
a
committee
it'd
be
like
we're
the
tail
wagging
the
dog
and
you
know,
but
so
is
there
a
discussion?
Does
anyone
want
to
bring?
Does
one
want
to
bring
a
motion
forward
regarding
what
we
discussed
at
last
meeting
people
from
los
angeles
are
here.
If
there
are
other
questions
and
they
will
only
answer
if
people
have
if
people
have
other
questions,
I
have
a
question
sure
we'll
do
wilmot
first
and
then
angela
matt.
C
C
B
C
I
At
the
first
meeting,
we
were
looking
for
partners
in
this
exhibition
and
it
isn't
simply
a
question
of
just
borrowing
the
object.
You
know
as
a
formal
loan
and
that's
the
end
of
the
relationship
so
in
another
instance,
we're
borrowing
a
monument,
for
example,
from
a
very
prominent
family
in
north
carolina.
I
That's
that's
gonna
and
they
are
being
given
full
rights
to
remove
the
monument
if
they
feel
as
though
anything
untoward
is
being
you
know,
being
contextualized
in
an
untoward
manner,
or
they
don't
agree
with
any
of
the
text
or
it's
put
next
to
something
that
they
don't
like.
So
we'd
like
to
extend
that
same
level
of
participation
and
cooperation
to
the
city
of
of
charleston.
J
J
J
I
To
answer
the
first
question,
methods
of
materials
is
completely
able
to
you
know
if
we
had
to
make
some
kind
of
base
in
order
to
accommodate
you
know
to
have
it
stand
upright,
they're
completely
able
to
to
in
terms
of
equipment.
You
know
to
accommodate
to
accommodate
that.
So
so
that's
that's
to
the
first
one
and
all
right.
I
I
Oh
to
the
second
part,
in
terms
of
it's
it's
it's
display,
I
haven't
gotten
that
far
along
in
the
exhibition
to
determine
whether
or
not
it
would
be
you
know,
leaned
or
on
a
base
proper.
I
mean
more
likely
it'll,
be
you
know,
on
a
on
some
kind
of
temporary
base
that
can
support
it
right,
depending
on
where
that
footing,
what
that
footing
does
so
right.
I
I
was
taken
to
the
site
where
they're,
storing
the
the
four
monuments
they've
taken
down,
and
it
it's
a
very
simple
thing,
but
obviously,
when
they're
up
on
a
plinth,
you
don't
have
a
sense.
Your
sense
of
scale
and
relationship
to
them
is
wholly
different.
When
these
things
are,
you
know
five,
six,
seven,
eight,
nine
ten
feet
off
off
the
ground
when
the
monuments
are
placed
at
ground
level.
That's
an
entirely
different
engagement.
D
I
You
share
the
same
ground
plane
with
them,
and
it's
quite
interesting
in
terms
of
you
know
what
that
invests
them
with
another
order.
I
would
say
of
monumentality,
as
it
relates
to
you
right
in
a
very
literal
and
kind
of
visceral
fashion,
as
opposed
to
them
being
monuments
in
the
categorical
understanding
of
them.
As
being
these
things
statuary
on
a
pedestal,
so
right.
B
I'll
I'll
realize
you
robert,
if
I
can
just
ask
one
quick
question,
mr
walker,
so
there
will
be.
I
think
we
discussed
that
last
time
there
will
be
a
condition
report
to
basically
tell
us
that
that
that
the
statue
is
in
need
of
this
and
if
it
were
borrowed
it
would
not
be
exhibited
unless
it
was
conserved
into
a
good
good
enough
condition
that
it
could
withstand
the
exhibition.
Although
I
will
say
it
did
survive
hugo.
So
I'm
assuming.
J
And
I
would
I
would
encourage
the
city
of
charleston
to
have
someone
assist
black's
art
with
the
conservation
report,
so
that,
because
normally
what
you
do
is
the
lending
institution
creates
a
condition
report
and
then
the
borrowing
institution
creates
its
own
condition
report.
When
the
work
arrives
at
that
location.
I
C
I
J
I
I
B
C
B
B
F
I
just
wanted
to
say
to
mr
walker
that
I
appreciate
his
efforts
and
I'm
happy
to
hear
that
angela
is
interested
in
the
base
because
it
sounds
like.
Maybe
the
gibbs
is
going
to
be
anxious
to
take
the
statue
and,
mr
walker,
would
you
be
willing
to
work
with
angela
and
the
gibbs,
because
that
would
be
really
a
great
thing
to
have
the
calhoun
monument
at
the
gibbs,
where
it
could
be
interpreted
and
charlestonians
could
come
and
see
it.
So,
angela,
I'm
thrilled
to
hear
that
y'all
are
interested.
B
F
Mr
walker,
you
have
you've
enjoyed
working
with
angela
back
at
the
gibbs.
Have
you
not
and
don't
you
think
that,
because
it
would
be
a
great
place
to
return
the
monument
too
and
you'd
be
willing
to
work
with
us
on
that?
Would
you
not
yes,
of
course,
that's
good
all
right!
Well,
good!
So
we've
we've
stopped.
F
K
K
So
I
just
want
to
say
you
know,
put
a
record
that
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
all.
You
know.
I've
worked
nearly
four
decades
with
the
national
park
service,
so
I
understand
exhibits
displays
waysides
and
texts
and
graphics,
which
sometimes
can
be
challenging
in
themselves,
but
I
think
that
that
we
are
more
than
willing
to
do
what's
necessary.
K
K
That's
not
our
position
or
place
our
responsibility
as
the
history
commission
is
to
tell
the
truth
and
to
bring
the
facts
and
to
educate
and
inform
the
citizens,
not
only
the
low
country
but
the
nation,
and
so
that
should
not
be
any
way
shape
or
form
in
the
work
that
we
do
in
the
text
that
we
pull
together.
But
it
should
be
what
the
history
has
guided
us
and
showed
us.
So
I
just
want
to
put
that
on
the
record
right
now.
B
Thank
you,
michael
and
for
I'll,
be
the
patent
and
say
wait.
The
footnote
was
december
was
the
session
december.
I
think
1860.,
but
the
next
one
we
have
up
is
wilmot
fraser
and
because
we
have
so
many
people
on
here
with
two
screens
that
after
wilmot
speaks
I'll,
ask
if
anyone
else
has
something,
because
I
can't
see
everyone
at
the
same
time
to
see
if
they've
got
a
raised
hand
or
anything
so
wilma.
C
Thank
you,
holler.
I
simply
wanted
to
mention
to
the
curators,
mr
walker
and
ms
bersin,
that
there
I
reviewed
the
bibliography
that
she
submitted,
along
with
the
explanatory
material
concerning
how
you
the
statute
would
be
treated
in
your
exhibition,
and
it
occurred
to
me
that
there
were
very
few
statements
in
literature
from
african-american
scholars
or
spokespeople.
C
At
the
same
time
that
calhoun
was
preaching
slavery
forever
and
nullification.
We
found
out
how
that
turned
out
in
the
greatest
of
all
american
slave
revolts,
the
civil
war,
but
we're
going
to
find
out.
I
think
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
be
able
to
find
out
more
about
how
those
ideas
have
have
have
have
transisted
over
time
when
your
exhibition
begins
to
circulate
around
the
country.
C
C
I
wanted
to
mention
that
book,
david
walker's
appeal
to
you
and
also
recommend
the
work
of
someone
who
was
contemporary
with
the
statue,
a
a
relative
of
mine,
mamie,
garvin
fields,
who
wrote
along
with
karen
fields.
Dr
karen
feels
her
granddaughter
a
book
called
lemon
swamp
in
other
places
and
lemon
swamp
and
other
places.
C
Tells
the
narrates
how
she
felt
as
the
calvary
statue
was
being
erected
and
how
and
what
the
attitudes
were
of
the
local
community,
particularly
the
african-american
community.
Regarding
that
statue
and
its
erection,
so
I
think
you
can.
Those
two
works
are
definitely
essential
to
your
bibliography
and
and
and
that
you
should
note
also
the
long
history
of
rebellion
by
african
americans
in
south
carolina
against
the
slavery
institution,
the
institution
of
slavery,
from
1709
prior
to
the
american
revolution.
C
B
B
B
C
C
C
C
B
I
J
D
B
E
B
Well,
I'm
assuming
that
I
said
we're
having
discussion
now,
I'm
you
know,
as
I
think
I
said
at
the
very
beginning,
is:
does
anyone
have
a
motion
to
make
regarding
anything
about
approving
this
disapproving
this
or
deferring,
I
think
again,
I'm
not
trying
to
put
words
in
the
mouths
of
of
the
members
of
the
commission,
but
I'm
assuming
those
are
the
options
that
we
have.
You
know.
B
B
B
C
J
B
B
E
F
E
And
my
statement
will
be
available
to
the
staff
for
our
records.
Mr
chairman,
fellow
commissioners,
in
october
of
2020
after
the
calvin
statue,
was
taken
down
by
city
council.
Without
consulting
this
commission,
we
unanimously
passed
a
resolution
with
eleven,
whereas,
as
we
reminded
the
mayor
and
city
council
of
the
purposes
and
value
of
the
commission
on
history,
I
commend
mayor
teklenberg
for
taking
our
resolution
to
heart
and
for
bringing
the
commission
the
question
of
john
c
calhoun's
part
in
the
next
chapter
of
charleston's
history.
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
That
was
a
decent
thing
to
do
since
charleston's
mayor
asked
the
commission
for
advice
on
this
unsolicited
proposal,
and
most
members
want
to
be
thorough
in
their
assessment
of
the
proposal
for
those
commissioners
who
have
an
appreciation
and
curiosity
about
art.
You've
looked
over
the
material
submitted
by
laxar.
E
E
Where
is
the
appreciation
for
the
technique
or
talent
of
the
sculptor
or
the
technical
aspects
of
molding
bronze
in
the
late
19th
century?
While
this
project
enlightened?
Will
this
project
enlighten
us
on
the
1887
or
1896
pedestals
and
columns
to
understand
art?
Will
it
ask
to
inspect
the
bronze
palmetto
trees,
plaques
ribbons
and
laurel
wreath
that
adorn
the
monument?
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
We
should
not
allow
or
endure
added
discord
or
disdain
display
of
the
statute
without
a
homegrown
resolution
of
factors
that
brought
it
down.
We
bring
further
criticism
and
shame
to
charleston
belgium's
place
in
history
in
the
19th
century,
erection
of
his
statue
and
its
21st
century
removal
have
many
facets
for
us.
As
commissioners,
though,
it
will
come
down
to
a
single
vote
to
advise
city
council
to
accept
or
reject
this
loan
request
when
dissolving
itself
in
1898
the
ladies
monument
association
honestly
believed
they
had
protected
the
calhoun
monument
in
perpetuity.
G
That's
a
hard
act
to
follow
so
I'll
do
my
best.
I
also
have
written
my
response
as
well
in
order
to
make
sure
it's
clear
and
there
won't
be
a
lot
of
ums
and
maybes
and
stuff
in
it.
So
first,
I
would
wish
to
thank
the
folks
from
california
for
providing
additional
information,
as
requested
at
our
last
meeting.
G
In
fact,
what
they
sent
reinforces
my
view
expressed
last
month
that
the
exhibition
will
be
an
agenda-based
polemic
designed
to
diminish
the
achievements
of
all
of
the
individuals
represented
by
the
various
statues
and
to
denigrate
their
historical
legacy
by
a
myopic
focus
on
race
and
slavery,
calhoun
included
throughout
the
time
I
have
served
on
this
commission.
We
have
worked
diligently
to
carefully
examine
each
proposal
for
a
new
monument
or
new
plaque
to
ensure
both
historical
accuracy
and
well-written
probes.
G
G
B
A
J
So
I
you
know
again,
thank
you,
mr
walker,
and
miss
bernstein
for
the
information
today
I
will
say
to
the
other
commissioners
that
I
believe
very
strongly
in
the
power
of
museums.
The
sheer
fact
that
this
work
is
going
to
be
potentially
displayed
in
a
museum
and
in
the
context
of
what
a
museum
can
provide
with
regards
to
scholarship
and
interpretation.
J
J
K
K
I
think
it's
incumbent
upon
us,
as
angela
has
said,
as
one
who
has
labored
in
the
vineyard
of
museums
as
many
for
many
years
as
I
have.
We
understand
the
power
of
museums,
exhibits,
displays
and
exhibits,
and
often
these
museums
can
be
places
of
healing
of
restoration,
of
learning
and
of
experience.
K
K
K
Unfortunately,
we
have
not
had
that
conversation
here
in
america
in
south
carolina
or
here
in
charleston
as
well.
So
perhaps
our
discussion
here
tonight
is
an
opportunity
to
bring
something:
that's
long
overdue.
Here's
another
reality.
Since
the
statue
has
been
taken
down.
It
was
many
of
our
thoughts
that
the
state
museum
would
take
it
that
the
city
museum
would
take
it
well.
That
has
not
come
to
light
and
I'm
not
sure
where
the
city
has
it
locked
up
for
security
reasons
not
being
able
to
see
the
light
of
day
but
gracefully.
K
K
So
again
to
those
who
may
see
this
differently,
I
understand
and
I
respect,
but
for
those
who
want
to
move
forward
in
the
light
of
day.
I
think
the
discussion
has
got
us
to
a
place
where
we
need
to
move
forward
and
to
vote
affirmatively
to
support
the
efforts
of
our
brothers
and
sisters
and
our
friends
in
los
angeles.
B
F
First,
I
had
asked
the
meeting
be
delayed,
so
I
could
take
a
look
at
some
of
the
historians
in
the
bibliography,
and
you
know
for
whatever
reason
that
the
commission
voted
not
to
extend
that
times.
I
really
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
you
know
immerse
myself
in
the
literature,
but
I
I
will
say
this
prior
to
this
matter.
F
We
don't
have
the
time
to
get
into
the
whole
history
of
the
calhoun
monument,
but
you
know
michael
just
said
what
a
lot
of
people
believe
is
that
the
calhoun
monument
was
a
monument
to
the
lost
cause
and
all-
and
of
course
that
is
not
true
and
the
history
of
the
caliphate
monument
and
we
don't
have
enough
time
to
really
debate
the
history
of
it.
But
the
point
I
guess
brown
makes
in
this
very
carefully
researched
book
is
that
the
beginning
of
the
monument
is
in
1850.
F
So
the
truth
of
the
matter
is
that,
if
a
true
history
of
the
calhoun
monument
forget
calhoun
calhoun
is
a
very
polarizing
figure.
I'm
not
here
to
certainly
I'm
not
here
to
defend
john
c
calhoun,
but
the
history
of
the
monument
itself
is
actually
very,
very
interesting
and,
if
properly
told
it
actually
refutes
the
whole
lost
cause
monument
debate.
In
other
words,
the
monument
in
1896
was
put
up
without
any
fanfare
without
any
without
any
discussion
of
the
laws
caused.
F
F
F
F
In
our
december
5th
proposal,
we
provided
a
wish
list
of
potential
scholars,
we're
delighted
to
confirm
that
thomas
j
brown
has
agreed
to
write
about
the
john
c
calhoun
money.
Dr
brown
is
a
distinguished
professor
at
the
university
of
south
carolina
who
has
written
extensively
about
the
calhoun
monument.
It
is
the
most
extensive
treatment
of
the
monument
I
know
of
moderatory,
most
notably
in
his
2015
book
civil
war,
canon
sites
of
confederate
memory
in
south
carolina
in
reading
the
post
and
curious
staff
editorial
for
this
weekend.
F
I
realized
that
we
perhaps
had
not
made
clear
our
willingness
to
work
with
the
commission
on
exhibition
text,
we're
more
than
happy
to
give
the
commission
final
approval
of
the
text
that
will
be
displayed
alongside
the
statute
and
can
discuss
this
in
further
detail
on
wednesday
best
hannah
berstein
project
manager.
So
so
I
believe
the
applicant
themselves
have
agreed
that
mr
brown
would
be
somebody
that
I
think
we
can
agree
is
not
going
to
be
polemical,
is
not
going
to
be
ideological.
F
Now
I
I
didn't
have
time,
as
I
said,
to
read
all
these
history,
but
I
did
read
one
karen
cox
no
common
ground
and
of
course
you
know
she
incorrectly
and
sort
of
superficially
discusses
the
calhoun
monument
and
the
title
of
the
book
says
it
all
no
common
ground,
which
you
know,
in
other
words,
david's
concern
and
I
think
other
people's
concerns
is
we
don't
want
ideological,
political
and
a
polemical
discussion.
What
we
want
is
accurate
history
and
and
telling
the
truth,
and
so
I
I
I'm.
F
They
will
have
a
narrative
by
a
distinguished
historian
at
the
university
of
south
carolina
and
that
they
will
give
final
approval
of
the
text
to
the
commission,
and
I
think
that
satisfies
a
lot
of
the
objections
of
the
people
who
oppose
it,
so
that
that
is
my
motion
to
amend
the
motion.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
B
C
I
I
I
can't
in
good
conscience,
accept
the
the
amendment
to
the
to
my
promotion
proposed
by
mr
rose.
I
feel
that
we've
dually
considered
this
question
that
a
voluminous
num
amount
of
information
has
been
presented
to
us
about
how
this
exists.
Exhibition
is
going
to
be
built
and
constructed
the
care
that
will
be
given
to
the
art
object
itself.
C
C
C
C
We
need
to
move
forward
as
a
country
as
a
city,
and
we
can
do
that
by
examining
in
detail
the
kinds
of
ideas
he
proposed
and
the
kinds
of
ideas
people
who
were
associated
with
him.
His
contemporaries
who
came
later
were
able
to
bring
him
forward.
We
know
what
happened.
There
are
articles
in
this
morning's
paper
about
the
13th,
14th
15th
amendments
to
the
constitution
and
how
they
added
to
the
rights,
the
fundamental
rights
of
americans
that
were
stated
first
stated
in
the
in.
C
B
B
A
B
B
A
B
H
Mr
chairman,
let's
make
a
statement,
I
wasn't
going
to
say
nothing.
I
I
sit
here
because
it's
going
to
come
to
council
anyway,
and
this
council
going
to
have
to
go
through
and
vote
on
it.
But
you
know
sitting
here
and
listening
and
listening
and
listening
and
I
thought
in
my
lifetime
I
would
come
to
see
people
come
together
and
stop
with
the
foolishness.
H
H
Why
are
we
going
through
all
this
foolishness
and
talking
about
something
that
happened
150
years
ago,
wherever
it
was?
Where
is
the
statue
to
tell
the
truth
of
what's
happening?
We
always
states
that
we
want
to
be
truthful
in
everything
we
do.
We
want
to
be
transparent,
but
that's
not
what
I'm
seeing
here
today
on
this
commission
and
that's
why,
sometime,
you
see
me,
don't
attend
these
meetings.
H
H
H
This
is
only
a
statue
that
we
are
concerned
about,
that
we
are
moving
to
someone
else,
who's
going
to
tell
a
true
story
so
far
as
a
museum
is
concerned,
that's
where
it
should
be
held
in
a
museum
where
it's
going
to
so
I
said
people
needs
to
be
people
and
stop
with
all
this
carrying
on
about
all
these
things
about
what
he
was
and
what
that's
not
here.
Not
there
he's
not
here
anymore,
but
the
truth
story
is
what
happened.
H
People
most
of
you
all
didn't
go
through.
What
council
went
through
when,
even
when
the
statue
came
down,
love
you
all
that
people
was
coming
to
you
coming
to
at
us,
telling
us
what
it
was
going
to
do
to
us
what
they're
going
to
kill
us
and
all
these
kind
of
things
you
all
didn't
go
through
that
we
went
through
as
council
members,
but
I
know
what
the
statue
was
about.
My
mother
and
father
is
gone.
H
They
told
me
about
my
grandfather
and
grandparents
told
me
about
way
back
when
it's
older
than
everybody
that's
on
this
line
today,
but
we
have
to
be
a
people,
as
we
say
we're
in
charleston.
We
are
charlestonian.
We
are
here
to
tell
the
truth.
That's
why
this
commission
was
right.
Here
is
right
now
to
tell
the
true
story
about
everything:
that's
happening,
true
story,
not
trying
to
put
things
better
than
it
is
true
story.
H
So
when
are
we
going
to
get
to
that
with
the
true
story
and
stop
without
trying
to
always
pave
something
differently
than
the
way
it
is
I'm
seeing
this
I'm
seeing
this
it's
kind
of
it
it
kind
of
get
to
me
from
from
whence
I
came,
and
I
love
everyone.
I
work
with
everyone,
but
people
are
still
sitting
down
with
that
mentality.
If
you
made
to
the
side
and
still
doing
other
things
on
the
side
are
throwing
bricks
like
the
old
people,
saying,
throw
and
hide
in
their
hands.
I'm
not
gonna.
H
Do
it,
I'm
not
gonna.
Do
things
like
that.
It's
a
museum!
That's
going
to!
We
are
not
giving
the
statue
away
it's
coming
back
to
us,
but
it's
going
to
tell
a
story
wherever
it's
going
to
go
and
that's
all
I
want
to
say
about
that.
We
we
need
to
come
together
and
stop
with
all
this
going
on.
It's
just
going
to
be
sickening
people
looking
at
us
and
running,
what's
going
on
with
us,
but
sometimes.
B
Thank
you,
sir,
so
as
I
and
and
I
hope,
jennifer
you'll
guide
me
through
parliamentary
procedure.
As
I
understand,
unless
someone
else
has
something
to
say,
we
are
going
to
vote
on
the
amendment
that
robert
rosen
stated
and
robert.
The
amendment
would
be
that
if
it
does
pass
that
it
passes
with
the
caveat
that
a
particular
scholar
is
used
for
for
the
essay
and
that
we
have
say
so
over
the
text
for
the
statue
was
that
does
that.
Does
that
sum
up
well.
F
J
F
Well,
I
I
want
the
letter,
I'm
concerned,
and
I
I
understand
mr
mitchell
and
I
understand
what
he's
saying,
but
the
the
point
of
the
matter
is
we
do
want
the
truth
and
the
truth
is
sometimes
hard
to
get
to.
So
I'm
simply
asking
the
commission
to
accept
the
proponent's
proposal
as
amended
by
their
letter.
I
don't
know.
C
F
C
F
I
I
I'm
happy
to
say
it
again
that
the
calhoun
statute
itself
and
those
involved
in
its
history
be
treated
accurately
and
respectfully,
and
that
we
accept
the
letter
written
by
hannah
berstein
as
part
of
your
emotion
that
they
will
use
thomas
brown,
who
they
say,
has
agreed
to
write
the
narrative
and
that
they
are
more
than
happy
to
give
the
commission
final
approval
of
the
text
that
will
be
displayed
alongside
the
statute.
I
I
don't
know
why
you
would
object
to
that.
The
proponents
themselves
have
written
the
letters.
That's
my
amendment.
B
Forgive
me,
but
I
want
to
follow
parliamentary
procedure
so
that
nothing
will
so
once
we
do
vote
that.
No
one
will
call
this
what
our
decision
into
end
in
into
question.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
jennifer
again,
so
we
are
now
voting
on
jennifer.
Am
I
correct
just
to
see
if
we
want
to
add
robert
rosen's
amendment
to
wilmot
fraser's
original
motion
resolution?
Is
that
correct,
jennifer.
B
B
B
E
G
A
A
D
K
C
H
B
A
B
A
F
G
K
D
E
F
C
H
B
J
B
Okay,
so
no
more
new
business,
so
I
want
to
thank
you
all.
I
know
it's
been
a
difficult
decision
for
many
people.
I've
never
doubted
people's
passions
or
beliefs,
but
I
hope
we
can
move
forward
and
it's
always
been
with
this
group
that
majority
rules,
but
ultimately
it's
the
city
council,
that's
going
to
decide
for
this,
and
can
we
have
a
motion
for
adjournment.