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City of Charleston History Commission Meeting 10/12/22
A
It's
four
o'clock:
thank
you
all
for
being
here.
It's
okay
to
call
it
order
and
because
Philip's
not
here,
because
he
got
ill.
I
am
going
to
just
note
everybody
who's
here.
Just
for
the
minutes
since
and
I,
don't
know
your
name
Patrick,
so
Patrick
is
taking
in
for
sitting
in
for
Philip,
and
so
then
I'm
the
chair,
Harlan,
green
Wilmot
Frazier
is
here.
Mickey
Rosenbloom
is
here:
Robert
Rosen
is
here,
failed
healings,
here,
David
McCormick's
here,
Peg
Eastman
is
here
and
Nick.
Butler
is
here
and
everybody
here.
A
So
we
call
that
to
order.
The
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
approval
of
the
minutes.
I
had
made
a
few
small
changes
and
I
sent
them
to
Philip,
but
I'm
sure
Dale,
that
you
have
actually
found
some
since
you're
the
resident
grammarian
and
maybe
no
and
so
and
I'll
just
say.
Remember
that
when
you
do
speak
David
to
turn
your
green
light
on.
B
Yeah,
thank
you,
I
was
not
present
and
it
reflects
that
I'm
present
I
think
somebody
confused
me
with
Dale,
because
Dale
is
stated
in
the
minutes.
It's
making
statements
and
his
name
is
not
listed
as
being
present.
I.
A
Will
say
that
I
think
I
think
I
think
Philip
caught
that,
because
I
think
in
the
version
that
I
have
you
are
not
I,
think
you
did
realize
that
maybe
you
communicated
with
me
so
the
version
that
I
had
yeah
that's
already
been
corrected.
B
A
I
would
say
if
there
are
no
I'll
just
say
for
the
record:
I
saw
a
word
cut
out,
I
saw
a
period
missing,
I
saw
one
typographical
era
like
I,
think
got
hot
and
so
got
or
something
like
that.
I
had
sent.
Those
in
does
anyone
else
have
any.
If
there
are
no
changes,
can
I
hear
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
A
Duly
noted,
is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes,
as
we
have
a
motion?
Do
we
have
a
second
okay?
Can
we
call
it
any
everyone
in
favor,
please
say
aye
or
raise
their
hand
or
both.
So
it
looks
like
our
minutes
have
been
approved.
It
looks
like
unanimously
I
believe
so.
The
first
item
is:
are
the
Hampstead
marker,
which
I
believe
you
all
have
and
Nick?
Do
you
mind
if
I
turn
it
over
to
you?
A
Did
you
just
want
to
do
a
brief
presentation,
since
I
think
you
were
at
least
according
to
the
archives
that
you
were
one
of
the
people
behind
help
them
to
draft
it,
and
thanks
for
all
that
great
historical
information
that
came
along
sure.
C
So
I'm,
in
conjunction
with
my
neighbors
in
the
Hampstead
neighborhood
and
with
the
sponsorship
of
the
historic
Charleston
Foundation
submitted,
an
application.
I
went
to
Columbia
and
I
talked
to
Dr
Breeden
about
the
topic,
and
so
I
helped
craft
the
language
that
you
see
for
the
proposed
plaque.
C
So
it
was
it's
a
big
story
to
tell
in
a
short
amount
of
space,
so
I
hope
that
the
product
before
you
makes
sense,
I'll,
be
happy
to
try
to
clarify
any
questions.
You
might
ask.
A
Thanks
Nick
and
as
we
do
have
done
in
the
past
just
for
a
way
of
procedure,
if
we
want
to
take
one
side
at
a
time,
are
there
any
comments
about
side?
One
of
said
plaque.
B
B
A
A
C
That
that
was
in
my
version
of
it
originally,
but
in
the
that
was
part
of
the
trimming
to
be
economical
because
as
Dr
breeding
pointed
out.
Well,
it's
the
signs
in
Charleston.
So
we
can
assume
that
it
was
annexed
by
the
City
of
Charleston
but
yeah.
That
would
be
a
clarifying
point
if,
if
there
is
room
to
spare.
B
D
Well,
I'm,
looking
for
in
these
I'm
looking
for
the
text
of
the
of
the
marker
in
this
fashion,
materials
that
I've
received
but
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
see
it.
There
were
no.
You.
B
C
And
I
was
just
looking
at
the
text
in
answer
to
query
earlier,
the
the
first
sentence
in
line
three
of
side-
one
says
it's
a
suburb
of
Charleston,
so
it
was
annexed
in
the
18th
in
1850..
C
C
Chairman,
if
I
may
elaborate
so
I
I
appreciate
the
sentiment
that
you
would
like
to
see
more
text
and
more
history
on
a
larger
panel,
and
that
was
one
of
the
real
challenges
of
crafting
this.
To
sell,
tell
a
big
story,
a
part
of
Charleston
has
not
been
told,
and
it's
it's
a
complicated,
colorful
history
and
rather
than
get
upset
about
having
to
edit
it
down
to
so
few
words,
my
viewpoint
is
well.
C
A
And
do
you
know
I
know
Nick.
You
said
you
worked
possibly
with
people
in
the
in
in
the
neighborhood
and
it's
my
thought.
If
the
people
in
the
neighborhood
are
content
with
how
it's
been,
do
that
too
I
think
you
know
that's.
You
know.
That's
just
my
personal
opinion
that
if
the
people
in
the
neighborhood
are
happy
and
if
I
can
also
say
that
the
college
did
something
very
similar
is
again,
we
tried
to
cram
our
history
on
one
of
these
exact,
same
markers,
which
was
impossible
but
being
put
in
a
visible
space.
A
B
A
Okay,
so
David
has
so
is
your
motion
David
to
accept
it
as
it
is
yeah?
Okay,
do
we
have
a
second?
Is
there
any
discussion.
D
Yes,
there
is
some
discussion,
Hempstead
is
a
is
very,
is
a
very
notable
neighborhood
in
the
history
of
African
Americans,
the
congregation
which
Denmark
Breezy
with
us
with
which
Denmark
really
was
Associated
was
located
in
Hempstead.
D
It
was
a
set
of
of
an
African-American
neighborhood
for
many
years
of
following
the
first
world
war
and
into
the
Second
World
War
era,
and
up
to
the
present,
certainly
for
over
a
century,
and
it
seems
that
that
kind
of
information
in
terms
of
the
ethnography
of
the
of
the
neighborhood
or
to
be
noted.
D
If,
if
there's
anything
else,
that
I,
don't
think
it
needs
to
be
much
more
specific
than
that.
But
you
do
have
a
coming
together
of
many
different
groups
of
people
right
in
the
City
of
Charleston,
and
that
is
this
is
kind
of
kind
of
ignores
that.
C
Well,
it
is
it's
a
distillation
of
all
that
and
part
of
the
research
packet
that
you
have.
There
is
the
much
longer
version
of
that
which
gives
all
the
specifics
about
the
demographics
of
the
neighborhood
and
the
fact
that
it
became
a
predominantly
African-American
neighborhood
in
1960.
D
Quite
quite
mixed
I
remember
my
father
having
been
involved
in
the
struggle
to
make
Martin
Park
an
African-American
park,
because
you
had
this
part
designated
as
a
segregated
white
area
yeah
in
the
middle
of
it.
What
was
essentially
an
African-American
neighborhood
and
so.
C
Hampstead
Mall
underwent
the
same
thing.
It
was.
It
was
a
designated
white
neighborhood
until
the
year
1960,
when
city
council
changed
it
to
a
designated
black
playground.
We
were
talking
about
Hampstead
mall
right
there
in
the
center
became
a
designated
African-American
playground
in
1960,
representing
following
those
demographic
changes,
and
you
know
that's
really
part
of
the
story
that
I
wanted
to
tell
and
in
the
interest
of
economy
of
words,
that's
part
of
the
language
that
got
left
off
and
if
you
look
at
side
one
of
the
proposed
text
in
line
17.
C
It
says
that
Hamstead
was
originally
a
affluent
Village
and
became
a
working
class.
Neighborhood
in
my
proposed
text
to
the
state
archive
was
this
became
a
working
class,
racially
diverse
neighborhood
and
in
the
economy
of
the
space.
We
have
those
those
words
racially
diverse.
C
So
I
I
would
prefer
to
see
that
kind
of
language,
but
in
the
interest
of
space,
I'm,
okay
with
leaving
that
out
and
then
telling
that
story
in
future
markers.
So,
for
example,
I've
been
working
with
some
people
over
the
past
year
who
have
plans
to
bring
before
this
group
a
marker
for
Denmark
Beasley's
Church,
which
absolutely
should
have
a
marker
on
Hanover
Street
right
next
to
the
side
of
that
church.
So,
rather
than
trying
to
tell
all
of
these
disparate
stories,
we're
going
to
save
those
later
store.
A
Which
does
talk
about
race,
I,
agree
too,
so
so
we're
still
in
we're
discussing
that
motion.
Did
you
want
to
amend
the
motion
or
or
Sally.
B
A
And
if
someone
who
knows
Robert's
Rules
of
Order
better
than
I
can
say
so
we
you
know
that
would.
A
D
In
working
class
A
working
class-
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
say,
doesn't
say
what
kind
of
diversity
you're
talking
about
it
just
says
working
class
here,
and
that
relates
to
the
fact
that
mainly
working
people
live
there
right.
A
C
I,
don't
know
what
the
demographics
are
now,
but
it
it
became
predominantly
African-American
in
1960,
according
to
the
1960s
census
and
probably
is
pretty
balanced
right
now
in
terms
of.
A
C
In
the
spring
of
this
year,
I
spoke
at
two
neighborhood
meetings
that
were
announced
through
email
and
one
at
the
Trident
Technical
College
campus,
and
one
at
the
St
John's
Mission
Church
on
Hanover
Street,
and
we
had
very
diverse
audiences
and
a
lot
of
good
questions
and
I
I've
made
brief
presentations
at
both
of
those
and
described
the
plan
of
putting
up
a
marker
and
what
it
might
say
and
what
the
process
was
and
described.
What
the
city's
Commission
on
History
does
and
I
got
nothing
but
positive
feedback
and
I
I
said.
C
Are
there
here's
what
I
would
propose
to
put
on
the
text,
something
about
just
an
overview
of
the
neighborhood
and
then
specifically
something
about
Hampstead
Maul,
the
centerpiece
of
the
village,
and
not
try
to
get
into
the
weeds
of
more
specific
stories
and
I
didn't
get
any
negative
feedback
from
from
the
diverse
audience?
I
got
a
lot
of
people
thanking
me
for
for
taking
the
initiative,
so
I
I'm
I
feel
like
the
neighborhood
is
going
to
receive
this
pretty
well.
D
I'm
only
trying
to
make
sure
that
the
element
of
of
diversity
and
ethnic
and
racial
diversity
is
included
in
this.
In
the
on
this
plaque,
it
is
shown
the
neighborhood
is
shown
to
have
changed
his
character
from
a
relatively
affluent.
B
D
To
one
which
became
a
working
class
area,
but
in
that
working
class
area
there
were
many
different
kinds
of
people.
Now
you
could
you
could
and,
and
that
was
unique
about
it.
Charleston
most
cities
in
the
South
black
people
lived
on
one
side
of
the
town
and
whites
lived
on
the
other,
but
in
the
City
of
Charleston,
black
people
lived
all
over
town
until
very
recently,
even
South
abroad.
D
I
can
hear
my
grandmother
having
a
owning
a
house
South
abroad
so
and
visiting
her
in
my
youth,
but
it
is
a.
D
A
A
D
I
assume
that
the
word
diverse,
which
has
seven,
which
has
seven
characters,
would
fit
in
there
and
into
a
diverse
working-class,
neighborhood.
A
I
mean
you
could
change
it
into,
but
I'll
go
back
into
a
diverse
working
class
area
and
next
in
1850
I
think
you
would
have
enough
characters
to
split
it
across.
Can
you
repeat
that
please,
the
the
originally
affluent
Village
later
developed
into
a
diverse
working
class
area,
comma
and
next
in
1850.
B
Mr
Sharon,
but
it
wasn't
diverse.
In
other
words,
this
is
all
presentism
which
you
know,
I
know
is
in
Vogue,
but
the
whole
point
of
it
is
is
that
this
neighborhood
went
from
being
primarily
white,
Anglo-Saxon
and
then
German
and
then
and
then
it
became
known
as
Little
Mexico
I
think
there
were
some
Italians
living
there.
So
I
mean
it
it.
You
know
the
word
diverse
doesn't
really
say
anything
unless
you
want
to
say
something
specific
about
a
specific
point
in
time.
B
I
think
what
Nicholas
tried
to
do
is
give
a
very
big
overview
of
of
the
area
and
and
as
to
the
east
side.
I
didn't
know
that
it
was
diverse,
I
mean
at
one
point:
it
was
overwhelmingly
majority
black,
which
is
the
opposite
of
diverse,
so
I,
don't
think
it'd
be
historically
accurate
and
and
so
I
just
moved
through.
The
question
I
think
he's
done
an
excellent
job
and
we
should
approve
it.
D
This
is
not
just
a
plaque
and
and
and
yeah
I
mean
and
and
and
the
designated
and
designated
space
there
are
people
living
here
and
I.
It
was
diverse.
I
remember
I
used
to
make
the
trip
from
Bull
Street
on
my
bike
every
afternoon.
All
the
way
over
to.
D
Over
there
styling
the
bedroom's
Bakery,
which
was
his
German
bakery
right,
and
but
there
was
a
lot
of
so
there
was.
It
was
a
diverse
neighborhood
right.
A
D
A
Have
lobbied
your
fellow
commission
members
but
I
do
think
the
way
the
way
it
proceeds
now
we
do
have
to
call
the
vote.
A
B
E
A
Okay,
so
then,
now
we
have
to
you
know
we
have
to
vote
on
it.
So
for
all
of
those
who
want
to
accept
this
sidewine
of
the
Hampstead
Village
plaque
as
presented,
say,
I
or
raise
your
hand
I.
A
I
didn't
count
I,
so
one
two,
three
four
five
I
guess
that
is
that
five
did
I
assume
that
carries
yeah
Okay.
So
we've
done
side
one
and
so
then
now
we're
gonna
go
to
side
two
and
any
discussion,
and
do
you
want
to
say
anything
Nick
about
side,
two
or
basically
set
it
all
in
your
open
and
comments,
and
this
is
specifically
about
the
mall
itself-
the
park:
that's
there,
not
in
the
entire
neighborhood.
A
So
if
people
want
to
read
it
again
and
decide
whether
there's
any
changes
or
we
can
again
entertain
a
motion.
B
A
A
So
we
can
call
the
question
everyone
in
favor,
as
it
is
say,
I
raise
their
hand
and
Nick's
abstaining
because
he's
the
author
Party
author
so
will
not,
nay,
okay
and
then
nay,
okay,
sorry
I,
didn't
do
name
before
I
mean
sorry,
so
I
think
before
Wilma
I'm.
Sorry
I
didn't
ask
so
before.
When
we
did
it,
your
vote
was
nay
and
Nick
abstained.
Is
that
correct
for
side,
one
right
and
and
right
and
Mickey
rosenbroom
was
no
as
well
too
right.
Just
just
for
the
record.
A
Right,
yeah,
okay,
but
but
just
for
the
record,
so
we
have
our
okay
and
I'm
sorry
yeah
yeah,
and
would
you
introduce
yourself
okay.
F
I'm
councilwoman
Caroline,
Parker,
ignorance,
no,
no
I,
excuse
my
lateness
and,
as
you
can
see,
but
yes
I
apologize
for
interrupting
the
meeting
like
that.
But
yes,
councilwoman
Caroline
Parker
for
District
12,
James,
Island
I
was
recently
I
was
uploaded,
and
this
is
my
first
meeting
well.
F
A
B
A
B
E
A
Well,
since
it
follows
Nick's
approach,
if
that's
okay
with
the
other
members
that
we
can
talk
about
that
now,
instead
of
having
to
separate
two
topics
and.
E
I'll
just
present
the
notion
we
can
talk
or
not
talk
about
it.
We
have
agreed
there's
a
lot
to
be
said
about
the
mall
and
the
and
the
the
village
and
the
resulting
part
of
Charleston
there's.
You
know
we
could
talk
about
a
lot
of
it:
the
the
churches,
the
German
cemetery
on
Hanover
Street,
which
has
been
moved
because
because
they
were
playing
basketball
on
top
of
it
quite.
A
B
B
E
There's
a
lot
we
can
talk
about
but
wow,
but
that
brings
me
to
the
question
of
the
procedure
and
the
purpose
of
the
history
Commission
on
commission
on
history.
We
all
think
we
know
what
it
is,
but
is
it
the
place
for
us
as
a
group
to
propose
plaques
and
languages
and
Nick
has
explained
it?
He
went
right
on
out
to
Columbia
to
get
it
started
and
I
understand.
That's
a
fine
way
to
do
it.
Anybody
can
do
that
he's
good
at
it,
but
can
this
committee,
as
a
commission,
initiate
black
proposals
and
language.
A
We
we
have
questioned
that
before,
for
the
enabling
statute
and
and
Mickey
seems
to
have
the
longest
history
on
this
commission
than
anybody
else,
I've
not
I
thought.
The
statute
basically
said
is
I
know
historically
in
the
past,
the
historical
Commission
in
the
40s
and
the
50s
I
think
did
actually
do
this
and
again
not
an
expert
on
the
enabling
legislation.
A
But
I
have
asked
that
in
the
past
and
it's
my
memory
and
so
I'll
qualified
that
that
that
that
our
role
is
fairly
limited
and
narrow
is
that
we,
you
know
that
we
approve
or
disapprove
or
vet
information
that
is
brought
to
us,
because
generally
there
is
a
sponsoring
organization.
As
it's
noticed
here
and
as
you
can
remember
some
of
our
past
discussions,
we
decided
it
had
to
be
a
non-profit
if
there
was
going
to
be
one
of
these
plaques
one
of
these
State
plaques
in
particular.
A
A
You
know
for
for
a
marker
like
this,
it
would
have
to
be
sponsored
by
a
non-profit,
so
I
think
I
can
answer
you
specifically
on
this
kind
of
marker
that
you
know
we
can't
do
it
unless
there's
a
like
that,
a
non-profit
that's
paying
for
it
and
sponsoring
it,
but
as
for
the
larger
in
thing
itself,
if
we
wanted
to
put
you
know
something
in
Washington,
Park
I,
don't
think
this
I,
don't
think
the
statute
allows
us
to
do
that,
but
that's
my
thought
not
jail.
B
And
then
Robert,
you
know
this
has
been
going
on.
I've
been
on
this
commission
for
about
25
years.
I,
don't
know
how
I'm
still
on
it,
but
anyway
we
did.
We
debated
this
years
ago.
I've
always
thought
you
know
we're
we're.
A
commission
has
a
certain
specific
authority
to
approve
and
disapprove
things
really,
but
I
think
we
can
recommend
things
to
city
council.
B
I've
I've
always
thought
that
if
the
commission
said
we
think
we
need
a
statue
of
William
Pitt
somewhere,
and
we
think
the
statue
will
look
like
this
and
we
think
this
and
we
think
that
if
we
were
to
send
a
recommendation
to
city
council
I,
don't
think
anybody
would
think
that
we
were
acting
improperly
so
I
think
we're
we're.
We
we
have
some
authority
to
approve
and
disapprove
things,
but
I
I
really
do
think.
B
City
council
looks
to
this
commission
to
advise
for
advice
so
to
the
extent
that
something's
missing
in
the
study,
landscape,
I,
don't
see
anything
wrong
with
it.
I
think.
If
we
passed
a
resolution
saying
city
council,
would
you
authorize
us
to
do
it
if
they?
If
there
was
a
majority,
I
think
I?
Think
I
don't
see
anything
wrong
with
that
myself.
A
And
I
will
say
in
the
past,
if
you
remember
what
the
Calhoun
statue
being
you
know
the
the
topic
of
being
possibly
loaned
to
Los
Angeles,
we
were
asked
to
make
a
recommendation
to
city
council
either
yay
or
nay,
and
then
the
city
council
was
then
going
to
follow
up
on
it,
and
we
were
asked
specifically
to
your
point
Robert
of
making
a
recommendation
and
which
we
did
do
right.
A
So
maybe
could
we
could
request
for
clarity,
because
I
can
remember
eons
ago,
not
as
long
as
y'all,
when
I
did
I
think
become
a
member
of
this
commission
I.
Think
a
part
of
my
orientation
packet
was
a
copy
of
the
statute
right,
you
know,
and-
and
you
know,
maybe
we
can
ask
that
we
could
have
a
copy
of
that
statute
at
least
sent
to
us
either
before
the
next
meeting
or
that
kind
of
thing.
A
A
I
do
think
that
would
be.
You
know
it's
come
up
before
in
the
past
few
meetings
as
well
too,
and
as
people
are
getting
more
and
more
proactive
and
we
get
more
attention,
I
think
it's
a
good
thing
for
us
to
know.
You
know
whether
we
have
the
power
to
bring
things
forward
or
we
just
vet
and
approve
and
do
yay
or
nay
but
I
know.
Just
in
the
recent
experience
is
to
repeat.
A
We
have
been
asked
by
the
mayor
Etc
to
rule
on
something
as
a
recommendation
for
city
council
to
take
up
which
they
and
their
and
you
know,
can
decide
or
not
to
take
our
recommendation
so
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
there
anyone
here
to
speak
about
the
Susie
Jackson
Memorial
black
I
know
a
little
bit
about
it,
but
if
there's
someone
else
that
knows
my
oh
Jason's
here,
great
I
didn't
see
you
Jason.
A
A
So
Jason
cronsberg
from
the
city
is
here
to
bring
us
up.
G
We
are
we
live,
or
is
this
being
recorded?
Okay,
good,
okay,
so
Jason
Kronberg
I
am
the
director
of
the
parks
department
for
the
City
of
Charleston
I'm,
a
landscape
architect
by
profession.
G
So
we
just
as
you
may
know,
we
just
finished
the
Susie
Jackson
Freedom,
Memorial,
Park
and
as
part
of
the
process,
I've
been
communicating
with
the
family
on
the
design
and
how
we
memorialize
and
Monument
ties.
If
you
will
what
the
garden
is
other
than
just
a
sign
so
working
with
the
family
and
a
little
bit
with
Harlan
already,
hopefully,
we
streamline
the
process
here.
G
The
first
round
of
text
was
a
lot
longer
and
again
this
came
straight
from
the
family
with
a
little
bit
of
wordsmithing
after
the
fact
which
they
had
approved.
So
we
are
bringing
it
back
to
you
on
behalf
of
the
family
so
that
we
can
have
a
bronze
marker
fabricated
and
installed
in
the
center
of
the
park.
So
that's
kind
of
the
big
picture
here
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have
so.
A
G
A
And
nobody
from
the
family
here
to
to
represent
it
is.
G
That's
correct:
okay,
they're
all
way,
far
out
of.
A
Town
I
will
say
just
FYI
I
already
noticed
that
it's
marked
on
Google
Maps
I
was
looking
at
something
in
my
neighborhood
and
I
already
saw
that
it
was
already
marked
as
a
Susie,
Jackson
Memorial
Park
so
way
to
go
right.
You
know,
and
so
what.
G
So
the
goal
is
to
once
we
get
through
the
process
and
we
have
the
plaque
fabricated.
That
was
when
we
will
have
a
formal
dedication
ceremony
with
the
family
coming
in
from
out
of
town
and
the
the
first
goal
was
to
get
the
park
opened
up
by
the
last
anniversary
of
the
Emmanuel
tragedy,
which
we
did
and
it's
a
pretty
cool
place.
A
So
yeah
and
I
I
will
say
just
I
think
that
there
is
before
we
even
open
it
for
discussion.
I'd
just
like
to
say
that
I
think
in
the
second
paragraph
there
is
a
word
missing
on
this
second
sentence:
the
matriarch
of
her
family,
a
member
of
Emmanuel
for
over
80
years,
serving
as
a
trustee,
a
trustee,
I,
guess,
and
that
should
be
and
missionary
it
should
be
comma.
She
sang
in
The,
Jubilee
choir
and
was
a
member
of
the
Eastern
Star.
A
So
I
do
see
that
there
there
was
no
subject.
So
that's
how
something
got:
dropped
and
I
think
anyway,
but
I
just
thought.
I
would
interject
that
before
we
discuss
it,
that
that
is
one
obvious
grammatical.
B
The
third
lots
of
one
two,
three
fourth
paragraph
the
next
to
the
last
sentence.
It
says
we're
brutally
I'm.
Sorry
11
bill
is
pierce
your
body
more
than
any
other
sustained
by
others.
It
probably
just
should
say
pierced
her
body
more
than
more
than
11,
both
comma
more
than
sustained
by
others
of
the
Emanuel
nine,
instead
of
saying
any
other
and
others
yeah
just
delete
any
other
right.
A
I
mean
it
just
relates
to
the
amount
sure
sure
no
I
think
I
think
I.
You
know
so
anyway.
So
why
don't
we
open
it
for
discussion
to
ex
you
know,
I,
don't
think
we're
so.
B
Yes,
let's
listen
right
at
the
end,
the
next
to
the
last
sentence
and
the
last
paragraph
where
it
says
to
inspire
you
I
assume
they're,
referring
to
you
as
the
person
reading
the
plot
to
to
courageously
encourage
change.
Okay,
well,
change
or
change
is
sake
is
not
necessarily
a
good
thing,
so
it
seems
to
me
you
want
to
add
an
adjective
like
positive
change,
something
like
that,
because
otherwise
change
in
in
and
of
itself
it's
just
change.
It
could
be
negative,
it
could
be
positive
or
whatever.
G
A
And
again,
if
I
may
say,
some
of
the
word,
smithing
was
just
putting
it
in
format
that
I
did
that
we
normally
do.
Is
you
know
trying
to
put
the
most
important
sentence
laptop
you
know
and
and
maybe
just
cutting
out
some
of
the
duplication
and
it
you
know
what
I
had
done
was.
Basically
just
you
know
again
try
to
get
more
into
a
format.
A
But
when
I
say
it's,
the
majority
of
what
first
came
to
me.
Yeah.
G
A
We
did
a
little
bit
of
editorial
work.
You
know
asking
the
family
to
give
us
her
birthday,
Etc
like
that.
So
but
again,
if
there's
more
discussion
and
again
by
way
a
procedure,
if
again,
I'll
just
throw
this
out
there.
If
people
want
to
do
it,
you
know
a
paragraph
at
a
time,
so
we
don't
jump
all
around
Robert.
A
Okay,
and
so,
let's
make
sure
we
know
what
they
are
so
anyway,
we've
got
a
motion.
Do
we
have
a
second
okay
so
and
right
discussion,
but
I
can
also
just
say
what
they
are.
So
we
know
what
we're
discussing
if
that's,
okay,.
E
E
More
than
any
other
sustained
by
others
in
manual
nine,
the
word
sustained
has
a
lot
of
meanings
and
in
some
sense
sustain
means
you,
may
you
may
read
that
and
say
that
they
survived.
E
And
I
would
say
that
I'll
just
read
this
full
sentence
with
my
change.
11
bullets
pierced
her
body
comma
by
more
than
any
other
of
the
Immanuel
Niner.
E
E
Somebody
else
may
come
up
with
that,
but
I
would
just
make
that
dig
that
out
and
say
buy
more
than
any
other
of
the
Emmanuel
Knight.
A
A
E
Well,
the
word
sustain
is
my
problem
and
I
think
you
know
sustain
means
in
some
way
that
supports
and
helps
somebody
get
through
a
problem.
I.
A
Could
you
could
you,
could
you
replace
it
with
the
word
suffered,
11
bullets
pierced
your
body
more
more
than
suffered
by
others
of
the
Emmanuel
nine.
That
would
be.
E
A
So
we
will
have
to
ask,
was
it
your
can?
We
imagine,
can
we
amend?
Can
we
you'll
accept
that
Amendment.
G
A
And
again,
you'll
see
on
on
on
on
this
commission.
You
know
again,
it's
not
just
a
historical
fact,
but
people
are
going
to
judge
the
City
of
Charleston.
Are
we
grammatically
correct?
You
know,
and
you
know,
and
so
then
there
are
so
many
different
ways.
You
know
to
look
at
something
and
again
I
think
you
know
I
think
we're
all
United
that
we
want
to
be
correct,
but
also
do
the
Family
Justice
David
well.
B
D
I
think
that
you
might
I
really
prefer
the
term
that
Harlan
suggested
suffered,
because
I
think
we
can
all
agree
that
the
people
who
were
attacked
and
murdered
suffered
rather
than
sustained,
which
is
big
and
and
and
and.
D
A
And
that
seems
to
make
more
grammatical
sense
to
me
so
I
think
it
makes
it
more
grammatical
and
and
descriptive.
So
that
was
so
again
just
to
repeat,
as
you
said,
it
Wilmot
11
bullets
more
than
any
more
than
any
other
suffering
any
suffered
by
other
more
than
suffered
by
mothers.
D
A
I
think
we
I
think
we
so
I
think
we
had
taken
out
any
other
I'm
just
trying
to
read
it
out
loud
for
since
and
if
we
all
listen
to
it,
11
bullets
more
and
he
suffered
by
others
of
the
Emmanuel
nine
pierced
her
body.
B
B
A
D
G
D
A
So
again,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
just
for
the
record
that
we
are.
You
know
that
so
is
it
11
bullets
11
bullets
more
than
any
more
than
any
suffered
by
others
of
the
Emmanuel
nine
pierced
her
body?
Yes,.
C
B
C
A
E
A
You
could
say
11
bullets
more
than
any
other
of
the
Emmanuel
nines
suffered.
A
Here's
her
body
is
that
correct
more
than
suffered
behind
me.
Sorry
I'm,
going
to
read
it
too.
So
11
bullets,
more
than
any
other
of
the
Emmanuel
nine
suffered
Pierce.
Her
body
is
trying
to
make
the
language
more
straightforward
and
not
reversing
well.
B
B
G
If
I
may,
in
all
of
my
correspondence
with
the
family,
one
of
their
goals
is
to
make
sure
that
all
of
the
details
are
there.
So
if
we,
if
the
commission
has
recommendations,
I'm
sure
they'll
be
open
to
receiving
them,
but
they
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
all
of
the
details
were
in
this
place.
D
A
So
to
keep
that
and
again
it's
all
we're
all
doing
this
to
amend
so
that
the
alternate
version
would
be
11
bullets,
more
Evan
bullets,
piercedure.
F
F
A
B
B
A
B
D
B
D
D
Sure
the
number
I
think
what,
if
we're
I'm,
not
saying
what
we're
driving
at,
is
that
this
that
Susie
Jackson
suffered
more
wounds
than
anyone
else
who
was
shot
right
and
we're
trying
to
and
and
and
and
and
that
I
think
is
conveyed
by
more
wounds
than
any
suffrage
by
others
of
the
Emmanuel
Knight
who
might
have
taken
less
than
11
bullets.
D
A
A
A
So,
basically,
all
Peg
is
saying
we're
all
agreeing
on
the
phrase
you
know
more
wounds
than
any
other
Etc
Peg
is
just
saying:
keep
the
language
as
the
family
wrote
it
11
bullets
we're
just
we're
just
saying:
Pierce
her
body
moving
it
closer
back
to
the
11
bullets
rather
than
putting
it
at
the
end
and
the
end
of
the
Clause
that
was
separated
by
commas,
so
we're
using
the
same
amount
of
words,
we're
just
transposing
the
words
closer
to
how
the
family
originally
wanted
it
and
sum
that
up
correctly,
I.
B
D
Let's
it
does,
but
it
doesn't
then
you
put,
it,
doesn't,
relate
as
well
to
the
last
sentence
in
the
paragraph,
because
the
compare
the
effort
at
the
beginning
of
the
of
these,
this
phrasing
is
to
show
that
all
these
people
were
suffering
bullet
wounds.
Hers
were
greater
than
theirs
right
and
as
a
result
of
that,
the
Counterpoint
of
her
example
right
shows
up
more
clearly
right
with
the
following
sentence:
right,
that's
the.
A
Reason
no,
but
again
you
know
I'm,
just
repeating
I'm
that
that's
the
reason
I
was
suggesting
right
but
again
we're.
We
are
saying
all
the
exact
same
words
we're
just
putting
pierced
her
body
after
the
first
two
words
in
the
sentence,
instead
of
saying
it
at
the
end
of
the
sentence
and-
and
you
know
so
again-
it's
the
same
amount
of
words.
It's
just
moving
them
closer
to
how
they
originally
are
so
again.
I
think
your
point
has
taken.
A
You
know
like
I
said
so
you
know
yet
her
love
conquered
Pure,
Evil
and
hate
through
her
peaceful
ways
and
the
grace
she
left
in
her
wake.
A
So
I
think
Robert
with
your
permission
right
to
amending
so
I'm,
just
going
to
recap
all
of
the
amendments
to
your
motion
and
then
we
can
vote
on
it.
If
there's
no
more
discussion
and
the
third
paragraph
and
I
want
to
say
this
out
loud,
because
the
Second
Law
second
sentence
the
matriarch
of
her
family,
a
member
of
Emmanuel
for
over
80
years,
serving
as
a
trustee
and
missionary.
So
that
would
be
including
the
word
missionary
comma.
A
B
A
Than
suffered
by
any
other
of
the
Emmanuel
none
and
then
in
the
finals,
the
next
to
final
sentence
in
the
last
paragraph
following
David
McCormick's
thing
changed
is
you
know,
I'll
just
continue
grandma
and
to
inspire
you
to
courageously
encourage
positive
change
instead
of
just
change
for
change
sake
as
I
understand
it.
Those
are
how
it's
amended.
That's
your
motion
and
anyone
in
favor
say
aye.
A
Opposed
oops,
say
Wilmot
sustaining
so
I
think
we've
done
it
I
think
we
carried
that.
So
will
you
convey
that
to
the
family
Jason
so.
A
E
I'm,
just
telling
you
why
that's
number
one
number
two:
this
is
the
paragraph
that
becomes
very
personal
not
about
how
many
bullet
sheets
of
stain
or
suffered,
but
this
talks
about
her
as
a
real
person
and
what
her
long
lasting
effect
is.
So
the
family
I
believe
wants
her
to
be
known
as
Susie.
In
that
paragraph.
A
Is
repetition
and
then
I
think
we
can,
if
there's
no
any
other
discussion.
A
No,
so
we've
got
another
amendment
to
to
amend
what
we
just
did
to
add
another
Edition.
A
C
There
I
I,
we
don't
know
what
the
family's
intent
was
here.
The
family,
of
course,
who
drafted
this,
had
an
opportunity
to
put
in
her
full
name
at
the
end
there,
and
perhaps
it
was
their
intention
to
keep
it
more
personal
and
just
mention
her
as
Susie,
and
we
can't
Intuit
what
their
intention
was
so
I'm
more
inclined
to
leave
it
as
it
is
in
that
lesson.
Yes,
ma'am
I.
D
Yeah
I
would
I
would
I
would
add
it.
Okay,
I
think
it'd
be
his
reputation,
so
that
is
also
consonant
with
African-American
language.
B
B
A
If
he
wants
to
change
that
too,
so
why
don't
we?
Just
if
there's
no
more
discussion?
Can
we
just
call
the
vote
so
anyone
everyone
in
favor
of
of
changing
Susie's
life
to
Susie
Jackson's
life?
If,
if
they
say
I,
everyone
say
I
raise
their
hand
all
right,
anyone
say
name,
it's
anyone,
abstain,
I
will
I.
A
A
So
we've
got
one
two
three
eyes:
four
eyes:
Okay
names,
I'd.
B
A
A
Jackson
and
whatever
they
decide,
you
know
we
will
We
reason
the.
D
Reason
I'm
suggesting
you
is
because
this
is
a
formal
statement
and
although
you
would
like
to
talk
even
though
the
family
may
feel
right,
familiar
enough
to
Simply,
say
Susie
or
I
might
say
Mississippi.
A
Are
you
talking
about
and
I'm
hoping
if
you
convey
to
the
family,
you
know
that
you
know
that
we
respect
them
their
choice.
Does
it
and
we
put
this
in
there
for
them
to
choose?
You
know
the
more
formal
or
the
more
personal
and
we
will
defer
to
them
to
do
that.
Absolutely
so.
G
A
F
Yes,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
I
didn't
notice
any
miscellaneous
business,
but
I
I
would
again
thank
you
for
welcoming
me
to
this
commission
I
apologize
for
my
lateness.
Wonderful,
hopefully,
I'll
get
some
introductions
after
we
adjourn
but
and
again
I
apologize
for
the
interruptions,
but
I
I
would
like
to
ask
something
for
a
future
agenda.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
time
to
do
it
or
if
you
would
prefer
an
email.
F
We
have
a
community
in
my
district
that
just
received
a
historical,
designation
and
they're
working
on
the
individual
and
sort
of
the
head
of
that.
Community
is
working
on
getting
a
plaque
for
that
community
and
it's
sort
of
a
community
that
some
lies
in
the
county,
some
in
the
city,
but
the
they
have
a
sign
in
the
city
currently,
and
they
have
just
asked
me
for
assistance
in
helping
with
that
process.
So,
hopefully
I'm
hoping
that
I
can
bring
that
to
y'all,
and
we
can
help
this
community
get
their
plaque
up.
A
We
have
done
that
in
the
past,
specifically
with
Maryville
ashleyville.
They
actually
came
with.
You
know
lots
of
information
and
and
I
guess,
I'm
willing
to
say
you
know
we
can
do
it
in
a
public
format,
but
you
know
if
you
would
like
to
you,
know
email
me
privately
too,
to
get
some
work
done.
You
know
before
you
know
just
to
basically
help
to
tailor
it.
So
then
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
people
spending
their
time
here
and
then,
if
we
can,
you
know
get
it
in
a
more.
A
You
know,
as
we
did
with
this,
get
it
into
a
more
usable
format.
Then
it
takes
less
less
of
everybody's
time,
but.
A
F
You
thank
you
all,
I'm,
sorry,
the
B
field,
Community
it's
on
James,
Island,
so
headed
down
towards
the
beach
there's
a
fire
station
in
that
area.
If
you're
familiar
okay.
A
Well,
we're
glad
that
you're
here,
I'm
speaking
for
for
everyone
on
the
commission,
I'm
glad
to
see
you
here
but
said
anyone
can
I
entertain
a
motion
to
adjourn
okay,
so
I'm,
sorry,
no,
we
are
under
we're
still
under
new
business,
yeah
Sean.
D
Lewis
is
great:
Mark
I
had
a
communication
from
some
friends
of
mine
who
were
tennis
enthusiasts
and
who
noted
that
there
was
a
court
I,
don't
know
what
the
City
of
Charleston
has
anything
to
do
with
the
Daniel
Island
tennis
tournament
or
the
tennis
courts.
There.
D
The
the
park
in
which
the
tennis
has
played,
but
the
there
was
a
court
designated
The,
Outfield
Gibson
court,
and
they
she
they
had
just
come
from
New
York
and
they
were
looking
for
the
out
there
Gibson
Court
and
visited
the
Daniel
Island
Park
and
found
other
people
who
were
looking
for
it
as
well.
Apparently
there's
a
plaque
at
the
court,
but
it
is
small
enough
that
it
doesn't
compare
well
with
the
stature
of
of
out
there
Gibson,
who
was
a
real
tennis.
D
You
know
and
the
especially
for
her
time
in
New
York
at
she
is
pictured
in
a
statute
alongside
Louis
Armstrong
and
Arthur
Ashe
and
a
large
statue,
and
since
she
is
a
South
Carolina
I'm
wondering
whether
we
are
not
following
a
pattern
that
I
have
noted
in
Prior
conversations
where
we'll
soft
patterning,
the
the
accomplishments
of
of
African-Americans,
who
have
made
not
only
significant
but
major
contributions
in
whatever
field
they
may
of
endeavor.
They
may
have
entered
so
I'm,
hoping
that
the
committee
will.
D
Designation
of
the
out
there
Gibson
Court
I,
don't
know
how
we
would
do
that,
but
we
would
Bank
a
recommendation.
City,
council
or.
D
A
Think
it's
on
public
land,
we,
we
have
a
weigh-in,
but
if
it's
on
private
property
Jason
seems
to
know
so
right
so.
G
If
so,
we
do
have
a
court
Park
naming
policy.
G
I,
don't
know
if,
if
this
is
at
the
Credit
One
tennis
center,
that
the
city
owns
I,
don't
know
if
it
went
through
that
process
or
not,
but
we
do
have
a
process
by
which
a
proposal
is
prepared
and
submitted
to
the
citizen,
Recreation
Commission,
which
then
reports
out
to
the
recreation
Committee
of
City
Council
and
then
to
full
Council
for
court
or
part
naming
so
again.
If
it's
at
the
Credit
Credit
One
tennis
center,
that's
the
process
by
which
it
should
have
been
brought
to
fruition.
D
G
D
A
And
again,
I
just
know:
Dennis
Daniel
Island
has
got
both
private
and
and
public
courts
and
I.
Just
don't
I,
don't
play
tennis
I,
don't
get
a
Daniel
Island,
so
I
just
don't
know
if
it's
a
public
court
or
a
private
court
and
I
think
you
know
if
you
could
find
them.
If
you
could
find
the
plaque,
you
know
I
think
that
would
help
it.
But
then
obviously
Jason
is
the
contact
person.
You
know
to
do
it
through
the
parks
process
and
apparently
we
have
nothing
to
do
with
tennis,
I'm.
D
Saying
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
historical
designation!
It's
named
for
her
right,
but
it's
it's!
It
is
historical
in
character,
right
because
she's,
a
historical
figure
right,
yeah,
and
so
that's
the
reason.
I'm
right
saying
that
an
appropriate
designation
should
be
done
should
be
made
right
right,
something
consonant
with
her
stature.
E
I'm
always
interested
in
how
a
group
that
works
together
can
improve
its
its
efforts
and,
as
we've
all
all
learned,
whether
we've
been
here
25
or
more
years
or
a
few
months.
I
didn't
know
how
what.
E
35
or
less
this
much
of
what
we
do
now
is
editorial
work:
okay,
yeah,
that's
some
of
the
most
difficult
work
to
be
done
by
a
committee
is
editorial
work,
especially
when
we
don't
exchange
documents,
editorally
marked
by
email.
E
There
is
an
alternative
to
that
and
we
could
use
it
in
this
room
and
I
guess
what
I'm
proposing
is.
If,
if
this
commission
agreed
that
we
would
approach
the
clerk
of
council
to
see
if
there's
an
electronic
means
that
we
can
display
the
editorial
work
as
it's
being
developed,
you
do
it
on
a
piece
of
paper
and
I.
Wish
you
luck
with
that
when
you,
when
you
go
to
send
it
to
Jason,
but
it
can
be
done,
it
can
be
done
with
a
display
screen
and
one
person
either
a
chairman
or
I.
E
Don't
think
we
have
a
secretary
on
on
the
commission
or
a
staff
member
could
do
this.
A
lot
of
people
are
practiced
at
it.
Where
you
display
the
work
on
the
screen.
You'll
have
paragraph
four
already
entered
and
then,
as
a
motion
is
made,
the
motion
will
change
and
shown
in
that
text
and
when
it's
concluded,
it's
finalized
by
the
chairman
hit
the
button.
That's
done
and
I
just
would
I'm
not
sure
what
the
process
where
I
buy.
This
commission
would
ask
the
heart
of
the
council
that
that
technology
is
available
and
If.
B
F
Hi
I'm
Jennifer,
Cook
I'm,
the
clerk
and
yes,
we
I
think
we
can
find
a
way
to
do
that.
We
can
probably
pull
up
a
meeting
on
zoom
and
screen
share
it
on
the
screen
and
I
I.
Think
that's
something
that
should
be
easy
for
us
to
do
that
way.
Everyone
can
see
it
at
the
same
time.
So
we'll
be
happy
to
do
that.