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City of Charleston Committee on Community Development
A
B
We
have
some
people
online,
some
of
the
committee
members
online,
so
we
have
a
chrome,
so
we
can
get
started
today
is
July
20th
2023.
The
time
is
now
approximately
a
little
after
three
and
gonna
call
the
community
community
development
committee
to
order-
and
it's
customary
you
like
to
have
an
indication
or
a
prayer
and
I'm
gonna-
ask
the
mayor.
Would
he
give
us
an
invocation.
C
Please
please
join
me
for
a
short
prayer.
Please
put
on
your
heads
Lord.
We
ask
for
your
blessing,
we're
thankful
for
all
the
blessings
you've
given
us
here
in
the
City
of
Charleston.
We
have
so
much
to
be
thankful,
for
we
ask
you
to
guide
us
as
we
make
decisions
for
the
future
of
our
city,
that
we
keep
in
mind
the
needs,
the
feelings
of
our
citizens
and,
what's
in
their
best
interest,
going
forward
and
all
these
things
we
pray
in
your
name,
amen.
B
F
Good
afternoon,
everyone
thank
you
Mr
chair,
so
this
is
a
request
from
a
property
owner
of
186
St
Philip
Street.
This
is
a
corner
lot
on
the
corner
of
Canon
and
St
Phillips
they're,
asking
that
the
city
sign
a
resolution
declaring
this
an
abandoned
site
for
tax
credit
purposes.
We
have
vetted
the
property,
it
satisfies
all
the
requirements.
It's
been
unoccupied
for
at
least
five
years.
In
fact,
the
building
has
actually
been
torn
down
because
it's
been
hit
by
so
many
vehicles
at
this
point
that
it
was
unstable.
F
The
intent
of
the
property
owner
is
to
build
a
new
structure
that
will
be
mixed-use
commercial
property.
A
multi-story.
The
first
unit
on
the
first
floor
would
be
2400
square
feet
and
they
are
planning
to
make
that
a
restaurant
space
and
then
the
second
floor
is
about
3
800
square
feet
and
the
intent
is
to
turn
that
into
livable
space,
probably
short-term
rentals,
since
it's
in
the
district.
So
we
would
ask
that
you
approve
this
resolution,
so
we
can
get
it
on
the
books.
Any.
B
I
All
right
sure,
just
let
everyone
know
if
you're
interested
in
speaking
tonight,
we
have
a
sign
up
sheet
downstairs.
So
if
you
missed
it,
when
you
came
in
there's
still
time
to
sign
up
because
we're
going
to
start
with
our
online
speakers
first,
if
you
know
anyone
who
is
participating
virtually
if
you
can
make
sure
that
they
are
using
the
conference,
call
number
and
access
code
on
our
agenda
as
opposed
to
zooming
into
the
meeting.
The
conference
call
number
is.
B
I
J
Well,
Ed
Sutton
here
I'm
sure.
A
lot
of
you
have
seen
me
these
meetings
in
the
past,
maybe
you're
a
little
bit
tired
of
hearing
from
me.
I'll
be
honest,
I'm,
a
little
tired
I
come
into
these
meetings,
but
hopefully
we
can
get
something
good
here
done
today
to
quickly.
You
know:
recap
how
we
we
got
to
this
this
point
customer
she
has
been
working
on
this
plan
for
over
six
years.
It
was
routed
option.
One
was
routed
through
the
design.
J
Review
board
has
approval
through
that
and
beginning
of
June.
The
public
was
allowed
to
see
two
different
Alternatives
and
at
that
June
8th
meeting
I
think
it
was
pretty
clear
that
the
public
wanted
the
stick
with
option,
one
which
was
the
the
option
that
had
the
underground
parking,
but
here's
I
guess
stepping
back.
J
You
know
bigger
picture
is
West
Ashley's
really
ready
to
move
forward
with
this
thing
you
know,
six
years
is
a
very,
very
long
time
to
work
on
a
project,
and
we've
heard
you
know
at
the
last
council
meeting
and
the
discussion
Offline
that
there's
opposition
that
shifts
from
it's
too
expensive
to
it's,
not
Grand
enough
to.
We
don't
like
to
AstroTurf
all
this
type
of
stuff.
If
there's
opposition
here
today,
this
is
what
I
encourage
our
elected
leaders
in
Charleston
give
us
a
path
forward.
J
I
J
H
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Kenneth
merolda
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
West
Ashley,
connects
Teresa,
tidstrom
and
hope
to
be
here
today
to
speak,
but
unfortunately,
she's
delayed.
We
conducted
a
survey
of
West
Ashley
residents
electronically
between
June
27th
and
July.
4Th
and
I
just
have
a
few
numbers
that
we
we
received
from
that
survey.
H
H
K
Common
occurrence,
thank
you,
I'm,
not
as
polite
or
eloquent
as
Ed
or
my
neighbor
Ken
I'm,
tired
of
coming
into
these
meetings
and
letting
y'all
know
that
West
Ashley
is
ready
to
move
forward
and
we
liked
option
one
I,
don't
know
what
else
you
need
to
hear,
but
this
is
I
want
to
be
loud
and
clear.
Please
proceed
and
build
option.
One.
L
L
For
the
thing
that's
going
to
start
the
revitalization
of
that
Corridor
I
think
that
we
were
built
out
in
the
70s
and
we've
kind
of
been
putting
Band-Aids
and
new
paint
jobs
on
stuff.
But
if
we
could
get
something
bright
and
shiny
and
brand
new,
the
business
owners
are
going
to
step
forward
and
start
helping
that
revitalization
process.
Plus
it's
a
project
that
my
family
and
my
neighbors
all
want
to
see
happen.
M
H
M
Ben
Chase
West
Ashley
resident
I've
lived
in
West
Ashley,
my
entire
life.
Nobody
that's
lived
there
for
one
or
two
years.
They
have
the
same
vote.
I
do
the
difference.
Is
that
I've
been
much
more
patient
than
they
have
West
Ashley
needs
this
Catalyst.
As
others
have
said,
we
can
bookend
Sam
Rittenberg
Boulevard,
with
this
development
option
one
we
can
also
invigorate
citadable
Mall
private
development
and
I
do
commercial
real
estate.
M
Private
development
will
take
care
of
what's
in
the
middle
I,
think
more
important
than
some
of
the
politics
that
may
have
been
involved
in
these
decisions
and
take
the
money
out
of
it
as
well.
Let's
just
look
straight
at
what
the
citizens
of
West
Ashley
in
Charleston
want,
because
we're
really
all
one
city
I've,
looked
at
downtown
I've
worked
downtown
in
restaurants.
It's
a
tremendous
value.
M
What
we've
done
with
parking
garage
and
Hospitality
taxes
and
Cabaret
taxes
it's
great
for
downtown,
but
we
can't
find
a
parking
space
to
come
to
this
meeting
today,
because
we
don't
have
the
proper
facilities
that
will
take
us
to
the
next
level.
West
Ashley
deserves
and
needs.
This
I
have
the
ultimate
respect
from
people.
I
disagree
with
I
would
just
hope
they
will
put
those
aside
and
make
the
best
decision
for
the
City
of
Charleston.
Thank
you.
N
N
A
plan
like
this
has
sort
of
been
on
on
the
on
the
docket
for
the
city
for
the
last
25
years
and
having
something
in
our
community
to
allow
us
to
gather
is,
is
very
important
and
I've
taught
with
many
people
over
the
last
couple
months
and
I
can
tell
that
people
in
West
Ashley.
They
want
action,
they
want
something
done
now
and
and
option.
One
is
currently
the
only
option
on
the
table.
Thank
you.
O
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
David
Osborne
and
I
live
in
Sandhurst.
You
know,
I
I
have
never
I
just
want
to
start
by
saying.
I
have
never
been
to
a
city
council
meeting
I've,
never
seen
you
guys
in
action.
I
came
to
the
last
one
I'm
here
again
today:
I'm
support
in
support
of
option
one
and
it
it
really
on
a
side
note.
It
really
did
make
me
proud
to
watch
you
guys,
interact
and
debate
during
the
last
meeting.
We're
definitely
represented
by
some
strong,
intelligent
people.
O
But
when
I
watched
the
debate,
one
of
the
things
that
I
saw
was
it
seemed
to
start
with
money
and
then
councilman,
Gregory
I,
think
you
said
much
more
eloquently
than
I'm
going
to
be
able
to
say
now,
but
I
think
you
said
something
like
this:
isn't
money?
It's
not
about
the
money.
I
mean
we
pay
55
million.
If
it
was
the
right
project
and
went
again
much
more
eloquently,
I
mean
but
anyways
much
more
artfully,
but
so
to
to
that
degree.
O
I
would
just
say
that
what
I
heard
the
debates
seemed
to
go
along.
It
seemed
like
we're
in
in
search
of
perfection
and
we're
going
to
run
into
paralysis,
and
so
I
I
would
just
encourage
I.
Think
it's
a
good
option.
I
think
in
cap
encapsulates
a
lot
of
what
we're
really
looking
for
in
West
session.
Our
community,
so
I
would
ask
you
to
go
for
it.
Thank
you.
A
Good
evening
my
name
is
Marcia
Higgins
I
reside
in
the
ashleyville
community,
west
of
the
Ashley
I'm
here
representing
the
Maryville
ashleyville
neighborhood
association
and
speaking
with
the
members
of
our
association.
We
agree
with
option
one
and
we
commend
the
Developers
for
actually
considering
the
ideas
of
the
residents
of
West,
Ashley
and
bringing
it
in
to
this
project.
A
They
have
developed
what
we
asked
for.
We
encourage
you,
city,
council
members
to
work
together
and
make
this
happen.
This
is
what
the
citizens
of
West
Ashley
and
many
citizens
of
the
City
of
Charleston
want.
We
want
to
revitalize
Russ
Ashley
and
we
want
to
make
our
community
function
functional.
Some
members
have
said
to
me:
Marcia
I,
really
even
hate
going
downtown,
because
I
can't
even
find
a
parking
space
here.
A
P
Sharon
Hartnett
and
I've
only
been
a
resident
of
West,
Ashley
and
South
Carolina
for
a
year
and
a
half
and
I
just
want
to
say
I'm
a
little
surprised
and
disappointed
that
it
seems
like
the
politicians
are
just
not
listening
to
the
residents
of
West,
Ashley
and
I.
Am
here
just
to
ask
just
please
listen
to
the
residents
of
West
Ashley.
Thank
you.
Q
So
I
have
lived,
West
Ashley
for
over
40
years
and
I
worked
downtown,
so
I
just
want
to
quickly
point
out.
The
parking
garage
is
downtown
have
a
stench
of
urine.
They
are
not
safe
at
night
and
the
whole
idea
of
putting
an
underground
parking
garage,
West,
Ashley,
just
depauls
me,
but
more
important
I
went
back
and
looked
exactly
at
what
we
requested
before
we
got
hit
with
number
one
and
no
choice
and
what
was
most
requested.
Number
61
was
a
passive
part.
Q
That
was
absolutely
the
most
requested
and
if
you
look,
there's
always
empty
spaces
to
park
over
in
the
consumer.
The
drugstore
places
okay.
Secondly,
what
was
the
most
important
thing
about
it?
They
wanted
safe,
walking
and
biking
so
you're
going
to
invite
all
these
cars
and
but
we're
supposed
to
have
safe,
walking
and
biking
and
by
the
way
I
do
walk
to
the
to
the
publics.
Third
68.
These
are
the
only
ones
that
were
over
50
68
wanted
Nice
Landscaping
I
want
number
three
I
think
we
have
it
already
in
place.
Q
I
Q
R
And
then
we
came
up
with
what
is
now
I
guess:
option,
one,
how
it
reads
now,
and
this
was
and
then
you
didn't
do
any
of
that.
Until
all
of
a
sudden,
the
people
that
own
the
Ashley
Plaza
development
decided
they
would
build
the
apartment
times
that
you
wanted,
and
now
you
want
to
do
something
famous.
S
Bob
O'brien
10
Stutz
Court
30-year
resident
of
West
Ashley
I,
attended.
As
you
know,
the
meeting
with
Miss
Congressman
councilman
Shaheed,
not
one
person
over
150
people
in
attendance
from
West
Ashley,
not
one
person
voted
for
number
one.
They
all
were
silent
about
it.
We
have
other
options
available
monies.
We
when
we
bought
this
property,
we
were
told
we're
going
to
have
a
park
passive
area
and
a
municipal
building.
Instead,
we
have
development.
S
The
mayor
himself
called
The
Interchange,
a
suicide
interchange
at
the
last
meeting
and
he's
right,
and
this
development
one
two
or
three
would
would
eliminate
any
sight
line
going
into
that
interchange.
It's
it's.
There
are
other
options
available
to
the
township
that
cost
us
no
tax
dollars
federal
state
dollars
to
to
build
a
park.
The
Municipal
Building
even
can
be
incorporated
into
that
developing
in
concert
with
Faizon
who's,
doing
the
Ashley
shopping
center.
They
have
a
philanthropy
division,
which
I'm
sure
would
be
interested
in
working
with
us
to
have
a.
R
I
I
The
following
citizens
provided
comments
and
support
of
sumar
Street
option:
one
Diane
Hamilton
Charlie
Smith
and
apologies
if
I
mispronounce,
anyone's
name
Stephen
patranini,
Jonathan,
perigno,
Amanda,
Liguori,
Molina,
Liguori,
Emily,
vogelguessing,
Kristen,
Martin,
Max,
Milliken,
Matthew,
miras
Linda
and
Ron
buckholms
Jimmy
Bailey
Jackie
covert,
Dustin
Rogers
Greg
terranova,
a
citizen
who
asked
to
remain
anonymous.
Alyssa
Connolly,
David,
Friedman,
Owen,
Vogel,
Sarah,
debiassi,
ledley,
Bell,
Susan,
Chase,
Paul,
Feldman,
Kane,
Holter,
Barbara,
Bennett
Eric,
cancel
Jonathan
Munn
and
Ellen
Morrill
Carlton
Swift
supported
moving
the
sumar
street
development
project
forward
in
general.
I
Joy
Ridgeway
was
opposed
to
all
options
for
sumar
Street
and
asked
for
more
green
space
and
not
underground
parking.
Anaco
asked
the
committee
to
look
at
renaford
Tunnel
Park
in
Dusseldorf
Germany
and
Falls
River
Park
in
Greenville,
South
Carolina,
Amy,
Lauren
Scott
supported
a
garage,
preferably
underground
governmental
offices
and
green
space.
Mark
Sizemore
said
the
city
should
develop
sumar,
Street
and
not
developers,
and
that
the
plan
should
go
back
to
the
drawing
board.
Blair
Wade
supported
the
sumar
street
development
in
general
and
asked
that
the
project
not
be
stalled.
I
D
B
B
So
we
have
to
come
with
some
alternative
and
find
the
best
alternative
that
we
can
find
for
the
residents
of
West
Ashley,
because
when
I
said
here
is
stand
up
and
say,
West
Ashley
doesn't
get
this
West
Ashley
doesn't
get
that
we
all
even
the
peninsula.
No
one
gets
it
all,
but
we
want
the
best
that
we
can
for
West
Ashley
from
the
coming
into
the
entrance.
B
That
should
be
the
state-of-the-art
entrance
coming
into
West
Ash,
coming
in
from
North
Charleston
to
West
Ashley,
that's
an
interest
in
the
city,
so
we
want
the
best
for
West
Ashley
investment.
The
council
members
are
looking
to
try
to
do
the
best
and
give
West
Ashley
the
best
they
possibly
can,
and
so
that's
what
we're
looking
for
and
so
we're
going
to
start
now
with
the
in
the
business
who
have
signed
up
to
speak
for
this
will
be
completed.
Oh
everybody's
done.
C
Mr
chairman,
that's
point
point
of
order.
I
I
just
want
to
point
out,
even
though
there
was
that
six
six
vote
on
Council
that
we
could
there
is
the
possibility
that
we
have
a
motion
to
reconsider.
Now.
That
would
require
one
of
those
who
voted
against
the
motion
to
to
to
make
that
motion.
But
I
would
like
to
make
the
case
that,
once
we
review
even
the
plans
before
us
today
that
option
one
is
the
best
plan
for
West,
Ashley
and
I
would
just
respectfully,
let's,
let's
keep.
B
Yes,
Mr
bear
I,
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
when
I
said
was
voted
down
by
Council
by
the
6-6
vote
right
now,
it's
not
there
and
that's
what
I
was
kind
of
relaying
to
everyone.
That's
sitting
here
so
when
they
keep
coming
and
saying
where's
that
I
mean
option
one
option:
one
option:
one
is
not
there
as
it
stands.
Unless
someone
from
the
prevailing
inside
make
a
motion
and
we
go
back
and
borders
again
and
you
still
have
to
go
back
before
Council
again,
but
you
don't
want
to
keep
dragging,
drag
and
dragging.
B
We
need
to
come
with
some
solution
that
we
can
get.
The
residents
of
West
Ashley
satisfy
that
there's
something
that's
going
to
be
there
and
something
as
beautiful
is
going
to
be
there
in
that
particular
area.
Thank
you.
Now
we're
gonna
move
on
and
councilman
Gregory.
You
get
your
hands
up.
First,
we're
going
to
have
the
discussion
before
we
have
discussion.
First,
would
you
like
to
make
your
presentation?
B
T
There
we
go
okay,
so
here's
these
were
generated
jointly
by
Landmark,
Enterprises
and
Faison.
So
for
this
one
there
were
some
project
assumptions
that
had
to
be
put
in
place,
such
as
the
option
one
would
move
forward
in
terms
of
the
physical
environment
where
the
buildings
are
placed,
the
General
Uses
things
of
that
nature.
Instead,
it
would
just
not
have
the
underground
parking,
it
would
have
standard.
You
know
substructure
that
would
hold
the
buildings
up.
It
would
just
be
standard
development
on
that
one.
T
Something
to
be
aware
of
is
that
the
parking
deck
would
not
be
able
to
start
construction
until
at
the
earliest
2025,
that
is
at
the
anticipated
new
opening
date
for
the
new
public
store.
So
that
would
be
after
the
con
construction
and
then
the
demolition
of
the
old
store
and
then
also
another
Project's
assumption
is
that
General
business
allows
55
feet.
Maximum,
so
that
is
what
the
height
of
the
deck
has
been
designed
out
to.
We
would
need
approximately
250
spaces
to
replace
those
that
we
would
no
longer
have
in
the
underground
facility.
T
T
T
In
addition
to
that,
some
other
assumptions
that
the
garage
would
be
open,
so
it
does
not
need
any
type
of
ventilation
to
move
through
it
and
that
the
Florida
floor
height
is
is
based
on
that,
as
well
as
the
multi-family
not
wrapping
it.
So
this
would
not
be
a
Texas
donut
style,
which
is
what
we
typically
see
for
multi-family
being
built.
Is
they
hide
the
parking
inside
it?
T
A
T
D
A
T
Get
the
little
camera
different
views.
Thank
you.
So
the
next
thing
is
just
to
give
you
guys
some
context,
because
those
images
can
be
hard
to
place
without
really
knowing
what
it
looks
like
at
street
level.
So
use
your
imagination.
When
you
see
the
Charleston
Tech
Center
Garage,
this
one
is
at
81
feet
compared
to
the
55
feet
that
we
would
have,
but
the
depth
of
it
is
or
the
width
of
it
would
be
approximate
at
128
for
the
rectilinear
one.
T
The
depth
is
250,
so
the
option
A
would
not
be
nearly
as
deep
as
it
and
then
it
does
have
800
spaces
compared
to
the
670
that
we
would
have
here's
another
option
or
another
comparison.
I
should
say
the
aquarium
deck
aquarium.
Deck
is
55
feet
so
same
height.
The
width
of
it
would
be
190.
So
the
width
along
the
railroad
track
side
is
190
feet,
so
it'll
be
pretty
close
to
the
square
option
in
terms
of
how
wide
it
would
be
along
sumar,
Street
and
then
the
depth
of
it
is
374.
T
So
again,
you're
coming
close
to
that
depth
on
the
rectilinear
option.
It
does
have
almost
double
the
amount
of
parking
spaces
given
its
size,
though,
and
then
we
have
the
Gilead
garage,
the
Gilyard
garage
matches
fairly
closely
to
the
first
option,
the
rectilinear
one
in
terms
of
height
width,
along
with
the
depth
into
the
site,
and
it
comes
pretty
close
to
the
number
of
spaces.
So
that
is
what
the
landmark
and
Faison
group
have
talked
about.
G
T
G
When
we
talk
about
options,
option
one
option:
two
option:
three
I
think
there
were
several
other
options
that
West
Ashley
residents
were
not
afforded
to
look
at
and
buy.
That
I
mean
the
three
options
that
we
have
are
all
options
with:
restaurants,
all
the
various
uses
use
uses.
Okay.
When
I
looked
at
the
survey,
I
agree,
most
people
wanted
Green,
Space,
64
64
of
those
questions
wanted
Green
Space
and
how
we
got
to
the
municipal
building
is
because
I
think
40.
G
Something
percent
wanted
green
space
with
some
type
of
cultural
use
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
I'm,
just
just
going
by
memory,
and
so
what
I'm
saying
is.
There
should
have
been
a
fourth
option
for
residents
of
of
West
Ashley
to
look
at
and
that's
one
with
the
municipal
space
and
green
space
period.
Passive
Green,
Space,
I.
G
G
I,
don't
think
that
we're
doing
them,
Justice
and
I,
don't
think
it's
fair
to
West
Ashley,
not
to
present
that
option
to
them
passive
Park,
Municipal
space,
shared
parking
somewhere
else
right
now,
but
I
think
they
deserve
to
look
at
something
that
is
specifically
Green
Space
option,
one
mayor
and
all
due
respect
option.
One
was
not
what
we
were
directed
to
do
today.
We
were
directed
to
look
at
two
three
and
any
other
options
that
we
might
come
up
to
recommend
to
the
body
of
a
whole
okay.
G
So
the
discussion
of
option,
one
to
me
is
inappropriate
that
we
should
be
moving
forward
and
and
and
option
two
folks
already
say
they
don't
want
to
surf
a
garage
like
that.
They
said
that
so
did
that!
Does
that
mean
we
go
against
what
the
citizens
want
and
do
option
two
folks
don't
want
surface
parking
either
like
it
is
in
option
three.
G
G
They
really
do
because
one
two
and
three
we're
guiding
them.
We're
telling
them
it's
only
one.
Two
and
three
when
it's
not
true,
there
are
other
options
and
for
me,
as
important,
is
poor
as
important
to
develop
this
space
I
think
we
need
to
get
it
right
and
that
we
need
to
get
it
right
and
I'd
like
to
piggyback.
B
Thank
you
before
we
move
on
I'd
like
to
recognize
two
other
colleagues,
I
have
here,
councilman
Peter,
said
and
also
Councilman
Greg.
Let
them
know
because
they're
part
of
West
Ashley
also
so
I
just
want
to
recognize
them
and
I'm
gonna,
give
them
opportunity
to
say
something
in
a
few
minutes.
Come
here,
I
think
I.
P
U
D
C
V
B
C
B
C
C
It
seems
to
me
it's
kind
of
become
all
about
the
parking
and
and
what
they've
done
with
with
what
was
shown
to
us
a
few
minutes
ago
was
combine
the
the
parking
requirements
for
both
properties
and
yeah.
It
might
get
shaved
a
little
bit
council
member
if
you
had
three
or
four
versus
one
or
two,
but
still
a
parking
requirement
from
the
sumar
city
property
and
then
most
of
it
is
a
parking
requirement.
C
You
know
from
from
Faison
and
I
would
note
that
what
both
requirements
were
within
the
existing
zoning
they
weren't
like
asking
for
more
density
or
anything
they
were
just
kind
of
taking
care
of
what
they
had
in
hand
and
I.
Don't
know
if
it
matters
to
go
back
to
the
image
that
we
just
saw
on
the
screen.
I've
got
a
copy
of
it
before
me,
but
to
have
a
a
garage,
the
size
of
the
gillyard
garage.
C
You
know,
holding
650
cars
taking
up
such
a
large
space
on
that
property
55
feet.
Tall
I
would
would
say
clearly
is
not
is
not
what
we
are
looking
to
have
in
this
joint
development,
joint
or
separate
development
west
of
the
Ashley.
In
fact,
I
heard
numerous
times.
We
we
had
a
lot
of
meetings
for
civic
engagement
that
folks
didn't
want
to
see
parking
garages,
certainly
not
big
parking
garages.
C
West
of
the
Ashley,
so
I
appreciate
their
efforts,
but
I
would
once
again
Clearly
say
that
this
is
not
what
we're
looking
for
in
terms
of
a
parking
solution.
So
council
member
I
would
again
respectfully
say
I
think
what
we're
seeking
here
is,
what's
best
for
West,
Ashley
and
I.
I
just
have
to
respectfully
disagree
with
you
about
the
years
of
process
that
we
went
through
and
the
community
engagement
that
we
had.
And
yes,
we
had
a
recent
meeting
over
the
Pearl
theater
and
yes,
a
big
majority.
C
I
forget
the
exact
number
of
folks
who
were
there
preferred
option
one,
but
it
was
a
result
of
years
of
public
engagement.
It
really
was
not
just
a
hundred
people,
but
hundreds
of
people
I
went
to
many
of
the
meetings
and
the
result
of
having
a
mixed
use,
including
various
uses,
was,
was
the
predominant
theme
that
most
of
our
citizens
called
for
because
it
had
that
variety
of
uses.
Not
only
the
Civic
function.
C
A
green
space,
albeit
not
the
entire
place,
is
apart,
but
I
think
it's
citizens
wanted
a
gathering
place
where
families
could
come
I,
I,
again
and
again.
Think
of
boxing
crate
up
on
King
Street,
where
people
can
gather
and
bring
their
kids
and
have
a
meal.
Maybe
there's
a
a
little
Brewery
or
a
place
to
have
an
adult
beverage
while
kids
get
ice
cream
and
are
able
to
have
fun
on
the
Green
Space
and
a
little
stage
where
we
might
have
a
little
live.
C
Music
I
mean
I,
think
that's
a
kind
of
Gathering
Spot
that
our
citizens
were
calling
for.
The
Civic
space
is
noted
as
needed,
not
just
for
us
to
have
Civic
public
meetings
but
could
be
available
for
rental
to
the
public
as
well
city
office,
space.
I
know
there
was
some
discussion
about
that
before
and
there
is
a
need
for
on
additional
city
office
space.
C
If
you
look
10
and
20
years
down
the
road
guess
what
our
city
is
growing,
our
little
staffs
are
growing
we're
planning
on
closing
Milford
Street
and
having
to
relocate
major
city
facilities,
we're
going
to
need
some
flexibility
when
that
happens.
I
know
most
of
that
is
shop
related
and
all
like
that.
But
we
have
a
lot
of
personnel
up
at
Milford
Street.
C
C
I
know
this
has
been
a
long
time
coming,
but
there
were
some
good
reasons
why
that
happened,
and
one
of
them
was
the
extended
period
of
time
that
we
all
took
to
think
about
what
highway
improvements
might
occur
over
there,
relative
primarily
to
the
infamous
suicide
merge
and
after
a
lot
of
public
discussion,
I
think
that
went
on
for
a
couple
of
years.
Our
citizens
advocated
that
no
change
occur.
C
That's
fine,
but
but
we
were
kind
of
waiting
around
to
see
how
that
was
going
to
play
out
to
see
what
the
footprint
of
this
property
might
be.
I'm,
telling
the
truth
I'm
telling
the
truth.
The
footprint
of
this
property
might
have
changed
if,
if
the
highway
department
decision
had
been
to
do
something
different
with
the
intersection
there,
so
why
spend
a
lot
of
time
planning
something?
If
you
don't
know
what
your
footprint
is
going
to
be,
so
we
waited
for
that.
Get
done.
C
Covert
came
along,
I
must
admit
that
slowed
things
down,
but
here's
the
third
thing
most
folks,
hadn't
considered,
is
frankly
we
needed
a
little
time
for
the
Tif
Tiff
District
to
mature.
We
had
put
the
Tiff
District
in
place
about
six
years
ago,
but
they
don't
immediately
generate
income.
You
need
some
development
to
occur
to
start
gaining
some
income
if
you
will,
or
tax
increment
for
the
TIF
district
to
be
able
to
afford
to
to
build
anything.
So
all
that
actually
worked
together-
and
here
we
are
today-
we've
had
tons
of
Citizen
engagement.
C
You
know
you
could
have
options.
Four,
you
could
have
five
six,
a
dozen
but
I
hear
from
our
citizens.
It's
it's
time
to
to
cut
the
mustard
so
to
speak
and
make
a
decision
and
and
move
forward
and
I've
been
open
to
any
any
good
decision.
That's
for
the
benefit
of
our
citizens.
But
after
seeing
what's
been
presented
today
after
the
collaboration
of
Jason
and
Chris
I
come
back
to
option,
one
is
really
the
best
choice.
I
believe
that
and
I'll
continue
to
advocate
for
it.
C
I
would
I
would
like
to
hope
that
one
council
member
will
would
would
like
to
give
it
another
chance
and
ask
for
a
motion
to
reconsider
at
our
next
meeting.
I
still
believe,
after
all,
is
said
and
done
that
to
be
able
to
move
forward
within
a
reasonable
period
of
time
we
already
have
it
permit.
Did
it's
already
been
through
BRB,
it's
already
been
through
TRC.
C
If
we
approved
it
would
be
able
to
move
forward
with
dispatch
and
be
able
to
get
something
going,
and
that
includes
these
multi-uses
that
respectfully
many
hundreds
of
our
citizens
weighed
in
upon
over
the
last
few
years.
It's
a
good
option.
It
will
Revitalize
West
Ashley,
it's
a
good
way
to
go.
I
hope
our
Council
will
reconsider
thanks.
D
G
G
The
only
data
that
I
have
seen
with
regard
to
responses
from
the
residents
of
West
Ashley
is
what
was
included
in
packet.
Now,
there's
something
else:
okay,
because
we
keep
saying
all
of
West
Ashley
West
Ashley
wants
this,
but
the
survey
that
I
saw
I
had
about
900
something
people
and
of
those
900
something
people
64
wanted
Green
Space.
Secondly,
okay
on
offices,
I
have
yet
to
see
the
data
from
our
city
to
say
that
there
is
a
need
for
additional
office
space
number
one.
G
Okay,
number,
two:
there's
a
glut
on
the
market
right
now,
especially
for
commercial
Office,
Space
and
I,
mean
nationally
there's
a
glut.
So
for
me,
for
us
to
even
consider
at
this
point,
office
is
on
the
site.
Okay
to
me
is
short
side,
because
if
we
need
a
space
for
West
Ashley
residents
to
make
sure
that
they
have
access
to
our
West
Ashley
coordinator,
there's
a
lot
of
space
that
we
can
rent
West
Ashley
for
him
without
building
something
for
him.
G
B
W
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I'm,
sorry
I'm,
unable
to
be
downtown
with
everybody.
I
had
some
virtual
Court
hearings
this
afternoon
and
sort
of
office
bound,
but
it's
awesome
to
see
so
many
people
here
at
the
CD
committee
meeting,
both
my
colleagues
and
members
of
the
public,
you
should
come
more
often.
We
do
a
lot
of
great
work
in
this
committee.
This
is
the
committee
that
is
chiefly
tasked
with
addressing
our
affordability
crisis
in
the
city,
and
this
committee
does
a
lot
of
important
work.
W
No
public
private
partnership
in
the
city's
history
has
had
more
public
Outreach
and
engagement
than
this
one.
This
has
been
the
product
of
multiple
years
of
work.
I
think
you
know,
Eric
has
probably
lost
count
of
the
amount
of
times
he's
given
PowerPoint
presentations
on
this
matter.
You
know
going
out
into
the
Community
West
Ashley,
revitalization,
commission
things
of
that
nature.
W
This
has
been
a
CD
before
and
so
there's
been
a
tremendous
amount
of
Outreach
thus
far
and
that's
what's
resulted
in
the
options
that
we
considered
at
Council
a
few
weeks
ago,
but
public
engagement
is
absolutely
and
obviously
critical
to
everything
we
do
as
a
government.
We
have
to
make
sure
we're
hearing
from
the
public
on
on
issues.
It's
just
critical,
but
public
engagement
has
its
limits
and
here's
what
I
mean
by
that
99
of
the
public
is
not
involved
in
this
issue
or
any
other
issues.
W
Okay,
when
you
start
talking
about
you
know,
most
people
are
not
watching
this
on
YouTube
most
people
are
not
reading
about
us
in
the
Post
and
Courier.
It's
a
very
small
percentage
of
people
that
are
engaged
in
in
these
processes.
So,
as
elected
officials,
it's
our
job
to
listen
to
the
people
that
come
out,
listen
to
the
people
that
show
up
and
complete
these.
You
know
online
surveys
and
things
of
that
nature,
but
we
also
have
to
remember
the
99
of
people
who
are
not
participating.
W
W
You
know
situation,
it's
important
I'm,
not
saying
we
disregard
public
input,
but
it's
just
one
piece
of
the
overall
picture.
At
some
point,
we
as
elected
officials,
have
to
decide
what's
best
for
the
city
and
and
lead,
and
that
brings
us
to
the
overall
issue
that
I
see
sort
of
dividing
Council
on
this
and
it's
a
reasonable
disagreement.
W
There's
just
different
visions
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
trying
to
accomplish
here.
I've
always
approached
this
effort
in
this
project
through
the
lens
of
West,
Ashley,
revitalization,
okay,
we
need
to
find
a
way
to
jump,
start
the
economy
and
the
of
West
Ashley,
and
because,
let's
face
it,
West
Ashley
has
lagged
behind
other
parts
of
the
city
and
other
parts
of
the
region,
and
our
constituents
want
more
mixed
use.
They
want
more
things
like
Avondale
that
I'm
so
blessed
to
have
in
my
district.
W
They
want
that
over
by
the
North
Bridge
and
that
kind
of
serious
commitment
and
investment
to
this
part
of
the
city
in
West
Ashley.
The
hope
is,
is
that
it
will
encourage
additional
investment
and
to
get
the
dominoes
falling
so
that
the
Tiff
can
really
get
rocking
and
rolling.
So
we
can
do
some
of
these
other
great
ideas
that
councilman,
Gregory
and
councilman
Waring
have
suggested
regarding
beautification
through
the
North
Bridge
and
up
and
down
Sam
Rittenberg
and
things
of
that
nature.
W
So,
in
my
view,
a
dynamic
mixed
use
concept
very
similar
to
the
area
formerly
known
as
the
workshop
I
still
call
it.
The
workshop
downtown
to
me.
That
is
exactly
what
West
Ashley
needs
and
it
accomplishes
a
lot
of
what
we've
heard
about.
It
has
a
signature
feature
of
the
point
of
the
triangle
welcoming
everybody
into
West
Ashley,
the
birthplace
of
Charleston.
It's
got
Civic
use
that
folks
wanted
it's
got
meeting
space
and
it's
got
the
sort
of
synergies
of
commercial
retail
restaurant
office
to
help
really
drive
and
activate
the
green
space.
W
That's
the
core
component,
the
central
component
of
of
option,
one
to
me.
That
is
what
the
community
has
asked
for
and
it's
what
the
community
the
community
will
benefit
from.
So
when
you
compare
that
to
a
much
more
scaled
down
concept,
where
it's
sort
of
a
an
open
space
just
on
its
own,
with
maybe
a
fountain-
and
you
know
a
Civic
Center
to
me-
that
just
doesn't
accomplish
the
revitalization
goals
that
we're
trying
to
achieve
I
mean
I.
Just
don't
think
that's
going
to
excite
anybody.
W
That's
not
going
to
signal
to
the
market
in
the
private
Market
that
West
Ashley
is,
is
ready
to
rock
and
roll
to
me,
that's
kind
of
just
average
and
that's
the
problem
with
West
Ashley.
Over
the
years
it's
just
we've
been
either
fed
average
or
been
led
to
accept
average
and
average
is
not
acceptable
for
West
Ashley
West
Ashley
deserves
the
best.
West
Ashley
deserves
something
exciting,
and
you
know
one
of
the
great
things
about
West
Ashley
is.
W
We
do
have
plenty
of
opportunities
for
green
space
and
open
space,
but
if
we
just
got
a
park
on
sumar,
Street
I,
just
don't
think
that
space
is
going
to
be
inviting
and
it's
going
to
be
used.
I
mean
you're
talking
about
building
a
park
between
the
suicide,
merge
that
that's
not
very
inviting
of
a
prospect
in
my
view,
but
when
you
have
green
space
bracketed
through
buildings,
you
create
an
entirely
different
environment
and
it's
very
similar
to
what
we
have
in
the
workshop.
W
If
you've
been
haven't
been
to
the
workshop,
it's
amazing
I
guarantee
you,
the
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
families
and
young
people
that
attend
the
workshop
have
never
been
to
a
council
meeting
have
never
been
to
a
committee
meeting,
but
they
sure,
as
heck
love
the
workshop,
and
if
it
would
have
been
a
public-private
partnership,
it
would
have
been
just
as
good
as
it
was
if
it
was
a
a
private
one.
So
we've
received
no
shortage
of
public
input.
W
W
I
mean
I,
understand
people
don't
like
parking
garages
parking
garages
are
not
you
know,
sort
of
when
I
wake
up
in
the
morning
excited
about,
but
it
would
option
two
is
far
better
than
doing
nothing
which
we're
on
the
track
of
doing,
unfortunately,
or
just
really
stripping
down
to
a
Bare
Bones
Park
Civic
Center
concept,
which
is
just
not
going
to
accomplish
the
kind
of
catalyst
synergistic
goals
that
I
think
we're
trying
to
do
to
really
Drive
West,
Ashley,
revitalization,
home.
So
I'm
glad
we're
talking
about
this.
W
Still
it's
a
very
important
project.
We
got
to
find
a
way
forward,
we're
at
a
log,
Jam
I'd
love
to
think
that
I've,
maybe
convinced
one
of
my
colleagues
who
voted
no
to
option
one
to
maybe
find
it
in
their
heart
to
let
West
Ashley
give
this
a
shot
and
we
can
go
from
there.
But
let's
keep
working
hard
because
the
status
quo
is
unacceptable.
Thanks.
Everybody.
B
B
X
B
X
Just
kidding
my
apologies
for
not
being
there
as
well,
I
had
planned
to
be,
but
things
came
up
so
I,
just
I
was
hoping
that
we
were
going
to
see
options
at
this
meeting.
We've
been
here
about
an
hour.
I,
don't
really
see
the
needle
moving,
so
I
would
love
to
see
options.
I,
don't
know
if
anything
else
is
is
coming
up.
I
do
see
a
gentleman
here
from
fazen
I.
X
Don't
want
to
put
him
on
the
spot,
but
I
didn't
know
if
there
were
other
opportunities
that
were
going
to
be
discussed
today.
I
think
that
would
really
help
this.
You
know
process
continue
moving
forward,
which
is
exactly
what
West
Ashley
wants
to
see
which,
by
the
way,
I
think
everyone
there
from
West
Ashley
I
would
love
to
have
had
this
much
discussion
surrounding
James
Island.
So
this
is
all
positive.
This
is
all
positive
moving
forward.
X
I
really
I
do
hope.
I
know
that
this
came
back
to
Community,
Development
and
I
agreed
with
that.
But
I
do
I
would
love
to
see
our
I
think
we
have.
You
know
eight
people
representing
West
Ashley
on
this
Council
and
me
personally.
As
your
colleague
I
would
love
to
see,
you
all
come
together
on
this
and
and
that
way
I
you
know,
I
can
feel
confident
making
the
decision
moving
forward.
X
X
Are
we
going
to
see,
or
can
we
see
what
it
might
look
like
if,
if
we
keep
a
portion
of
that
space
for
city
offices,
but
then
maybe
Zone
and
resell
a
portion
of
it
for
a
private
developer,
to
build
some,
the
retail
and
and
other
things
that
the
constituents
are
looking
for
or
are
you
know
our
West
Ashley
representatives
and
the
city?
You
know
really
want
to
keep
that
space.
You
know,
keep
that
own
that
parcel.
X
X
T
There's
not
really
an
easy
answer
to
that
question.
Basically,
right
now
we're
operating
under
a
memorandum
of
understanding
with
Landmark
development,
so
any
Research
into
showing
opportunities
of
subdividing
the
parcel
for
a
Civic
portion
and
then
entitling
the
rest
for
any
type
of
resellable
commercial.
T
That's
not
what
we're
currently
operating
underneath
so
that
would
have
to
occur
once
the
mou
was
no
longer
around.
Is
it
a
possibility?
Yes,
it
would
more
than
likely
come
out
looking
like
option
three
at
that
juncture,
though,
unless
again
we
do
some
type
of
underground
or
above
ground
parking
that
is
shared
between
the
two
uses.
It
would
essentially,
we
would
come
to
the
same
physical
form
that
we
are
currently
operating,
underneath
it
would
just
be
a
different
way
to
get
to
that
end
product
right
now,
we're
probably
about
halfway
to
it.
B
Y
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity.
I'm,
not
a
member
of
this
committee.
I
am
chairman
of
the
West
Ashley.
Revitalization,
commission
and
this
piece
of
property
sits
right,
Square
in
the
heart
of
my
my
district,
my
neighborhood
Northbridge
Terrace,
and
there
are
several
folks
from
Northbridge
Terrace
who
are
here
along
with
West
pondy
Sandhurst,
the
other
areas
that
are
immediately
impacted
by
this.
Following
our
June
city
council
meeting.
It
was
plainfully
obvious
to
me
and
to
other
members
of
our
Council
that
option
one
was
dead.
Y
That
vote
was
taken
on
a
six
or
six
vote,
which
the
motion
died
with
one
council
member
absent
who
I
know
was
opposed
to
option
one
as
well,
so
we've
we've
got
to
move
forward
and
councilman
Bowden
had
a
meeting
at
the
Charleston
Chamber
of
Commerce
prior
to
that
June
meeting
and
one
of
the
comments-
and
we
heard
it
this
afternoon
a
few
moments
ago-
let's
go
forward,
we've
got
to
come
up
with
a
plan
to
go
forward.
Now
we
are
avoiding
the
obvious
of
what
has
taken
place
here.
Y
We
had
public
engagement.
It
was
probably
one
of
the
most
intensive
public
engagements
that
we've
had
I.
Think
in
the
history
of
the
city.
Maybe
more
I
will
defer
to
councilwoman
Waring
councilman,
Gregory,
council
member
seekinges,
and
you
Mr
chairman
as
to
the
length
and
extent
that
we've
had
a
public
engagement
to
come
up
with
adopting
plan,
West,
Ashley
and
guess
what
else
happened
with
plan
West
Ashley,
there's
Council
back
in
February
of
2018,
adopted
this
plan
unanimously
I
placed
on
your
desk
and
I've.
Y
Y
He
talks
about
Sam
ruttenberg.
It
talks
about
the
Gateway.
It
talks
specifically
about
this
property
and
for
somehow
we
got
off
track
on
on
looking
at
this
plan
and
adopting
this
plan.
Now
when
we
created
the
budget
ad
hoc
committee,
remember
in
Gary,
white
councilmember
white
would
come
up.
We
kind
of
dumped
him
Dusty.
Y
You
know
my
members
of
the
committee
will
remember
why
we
call
them.
Dynasty
is
because
we
have
had
historically
in
this
city
plans
and
guess
what
happens
with
those
plans.
They
end
up
on
a
shelf
somewhere
collecting
dust,
and
we
created
the
West
Asheville
revitalization
commission
to
make
sure
that
we
implement
this
plan,
and
here
it
is,
we
have,
we
have
been
spinning
all
Wheels
unnecessarily
by
not
following
the
plan
and
look.
If
you
go
to
it,
it
just
speaks
for
about
it
very
quietly
and
very
quickly.
Y
Y
A
portion
of
the
property
is
proposed
to
be
used
to
facilitate
intersection.
Improvement
has
mentioned
a
minute
a
moment
ago.
This
sketch
shows
a
new
building
and
public
space
to
front
the
improved
intersection.
We
got
off
track
by
not
focusing
on
the
central
component
of
what
this
place
should
be:
a
public
Civic
space
which
I've
been
advocating
since
day,
one
of
placing
this
for
a
public
Civic
place
and
councilman
repel
I
disagree
with
you
wholeheartedly
doing
this
doing.
This
will
start
the
in
ignition
and
light
a
fire
of
the
revitalization
with
Ashley.
Y
If
we
go
with
this
plan,
we've
already
vetted
this
and
you
talk
about
whether
or
not
the
public
has
engaged
or
not.
The
public
has
been
engaged
in
this
process
and
better
than
that,
this
Council
back
in
2018
listened
to
the
public
and
we
have
created
a
policy.
We
have
adopted
a
policy
now.
This
is
very
simple.
If
you
look
at
the
chart
on
the
next
page,
it
shows
a
Civic
space
with
green
space
involved
and
some
kind
of
producting
facility
all
right.
Y
We
know
what's
going
on
with
Faison
and
we've
had
public
meetings
about,
what's
going
to
take
place
with
Faison
and
I
support
their
their
initial
plans
on
how
they're
going
to
rebuild
the
new
Publix
on
Charlestown
estate,
Road
next
to
Old,
Town
Road,
and
let's
do
this
in
phases.
Let's
not
confuse
this
thing.
We
have
to
keep
an
eye
out
to
what's
going
to
take
place
with
Faison
at
Ashley
Landon.
Y
We
need
to
keep
and
make
sure
we're
smart
about
that
and
not
do
anything
to
box
Us
in
to
prevent
us
from
expanding
on
that.
Let's
take
this
in
stages.
Let
Faison
do
is
phase
one
with
the
new
with
the
new
Publix.
Let's
go
ahead
with
our
plans
on
the
Civic,
the
Civic
space.
Let's
get
this
started,
let's
not
try
to
confuse
the
issues
here
by
creating
a
a
box
looking
parking
garage
to
facilitate
what
may
or
may
not
come
in
phase
two
with
Faison's
plans.
We
need
to
take
the
lead
on
this
thing.
Y
Y
We
could
have
pop-up
concerts
from
time
that
on
a
food
truck
and
a
farmer's
market
that
is
clearly
visible,
clearly
visible
to
the
community
and
accessible
to
the
community
of
West
Ashley.
We've
got
it
at
our
doorstep.
Right
here
in
front
of
us.
This
is
as
plain
as
the
nose
on
my
face.
I
got
a
pretty
big
nose.
Ladies
and
gentlemen.
Lebanese
you
can
see
how
big
my
nose
is.
Y
We've
got
it
right
here
in
front
of
us
as
to
what
we
can
do,
and
here
it
is
here's
our
opportunity
if
the
option
for
Mr
council
member
is
really
number
one
option
because
we've
already
adopted
it.
We've
already
adopted
this.
If
this
Council
or
this
committee
gives
us
a
direction
and
say
it
was
to
school
for
what
we
got
in
the
plan,
West
Ashley,
we
can
do
that.
Y
Mr,
chairman
I
wrote
you
a
letter
following
our
June
20
meeting
and
I
congratulate
the
members
of
council
for
having
this
discussion
in
front
of
this
committee,
because
it
fits
the
criteria.
I
would
ask
you
greatly
Mr
chairman,
to
consider
this
for
me,
please,
let's
have
another
meeting
following
this.
Please
have
it
over
in
West
Ashley,
at
a
time
that
we
can
get
more
citizens
to
to
come
and
listen
and
be
engaged
in
this
it's.
This
is
so
critically
important
to
the
citizens
of
West
Ashley.
Y
50
percent
of
our
citizens
live
in
West,
Ashley,
50
percent
and
that's
not
including
the
entire
area
West
Ashley.
If
we
incorporated
all
the
areas
that
outside
of
our
city
limits
this,
this
project
demands
an
opportunity
for
all
citizens
who
wish
to
participate
to
come
forward
and
participate
before
our
next
meeting
in
August
with
full
city
council
Mr
chairman
I
would
ask
that
you
consider
having
this
meeting
let
the
public
come
in
and
engage
them
so
more
and
look
at
this
option,
which
should
be
option
number
one,
really
and
and
move
forward
with
that.
Y
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
to
address
this
committee.
I'm
very
fortunate
I
was
able
to
make
it
to
today
considering
my
other
circumstances,
while
I
was
out
of
out
of
state
on
not
on
vacation,
not
on
something
pleasurable,
but
it
was
on
something
else.
I
had
a
very
tight
time
scheme
in
doing
that,
so
I
will
be
having
a
meeting
another
one
of
my
constituent
meetings
on
Saturday
June
27th
at
Charleston
Landing
at
10
o'clock.
We'll
continue
this
discussion.
Mr
chairman.
Thank
you
for
your
Indulgence.
Y
Z
You
thank
you
and
I'll.
Be
brief
and
I
really
mean
that,
because
I
wasn't
planning
on
talking
today
but
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
and
I
appreciate
you
all
entertaining
this
conversation
I'm
glad
it's
ongoing.
I
will
admit
that
I
was
skeptical,
that
we
would
be
sitting
here
so
quickly
and
moving
forward.
So
I
appreciate
everybody
recognizing
the
urgency
of
this
question
and
and
moving
forward
with
it.
Z
So
some
things
have
changed
since
2018.,
and
you
know,
obviously
that
survey
was
used
and
and
that
input
went
into
what
we
ultimately
saw.
But
again
some
some
things
changed
in
2018.
I
can
tell
you
that
I
never
even
thought
for
one
single
second
about
running
for
office
or
city
council
or
what
even
went
on
in
this
building.
Z
Z
Z
Think,
if,
if
you,
if
you
let
them
know
what
the
what
the
options
were
at
that
time,
they
might
not
have
said
that
I
can
tell
you,
as
a
parent
of
a
one
and
a
half
year
old,
that
I
would
not
take
my
child
to
a
park
at
this
location.
It's
dangerous
unless
it
was
buffered
by
buildings
and
I
tried
to
tell
you
all
this.
Z
You
know,
and
and
I
didn't
receive
a
lot
of
engagement
on
that
I
I'm
telling
you
and
as
somebody
who's,
not
that
far
removed
from
just
being
a
regular
citizen
that
they
would
look
at
us
and
think
how
out
of
touch.
Are
they
to
think
that
we
would
take
kids
to
that
without
any
sort
of
protection
from
highways?
Z
You
know
the
a
pandemic
happened.
You
think
people
might
think
that
outdoor
restaurant
space
is
a
little
bit
more
important
than
they
did
in
2018.
I,
certainly
would
I
think
restaurant
owners
would
God
forbid.
Another
pandemic
happened,
but
we
recognize
what
we
don't
have
the
workshop
hadn't
been
built,
yet
people
that
was
the
first
of
its
kind
in
this
area.
People
didn't
know
what
they
didn't
have
now.
When
you
say
we
could
have
the
workshop
in
the
middle
of
West
Ashley
people
perk
up
everywhere,
I
go
when
I
when
I
tell
it
to
them.
Z
Z
Z
D
AA
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I,
appreciate
it
I
apologize
that
I
couldn't
be
there
in
person.
I
had
a
I
had
planned
before
I
knew
that
this
meeting
was
going
to
be
here
that
to
be
out
of
town,
so
I
apologize,
I
can't
be
there
in
person,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I
didn't
know,
I
was
going
to
have
the
opportunity
either
to
speak.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
everyone
who
lives
west
Ashley.
That
is,
that's,
come
out
and
shared
your
opinions.
I
appreciate
it.
AA
AA
The
what
councilman
Shaheed
was
saying
earlier
is
is
absolutely
true.
You
know
plan
West
Ashley,
it
was
as
I
was
coming
on,
Council
or
just
before.
I
was
coming
on,
cancel
that
we
had
these
Community
meetings,
I'm
going
to
tell
you.
It
was
incredible
the
amount
of
participation
we
had
four
different
sites
of
people
going
going
to
and
jam-packed
and
John
Wesley
United
Methodist
Church
is
Jim.
The
Old
Middleton
High
School,
absolutely
packed
in
its
old
cafeteria
bees.
Landing
was
absolutely
jam-packed,
the
old
Albemarle
school.
AA
It
was
incredible
the
amount
of
participation
it
was
not
the
same
people
showing
up
over
and
over
I
happened
to
I,
went
to
all
of
those
meetings,
because
I
was
very
interested
in
what
was
going
on.
I
was
considering
running
for
city
council
at
the
time,
and
it
was
it
was.
It
was
an
incredible
time
for
the
amount
of
participation
that
we
had,
but
it
wasn't
if
it
was
more
of
a
we
broke
into
groups,
we
discussed
things.
There
were
people
putting
things
up
on
on
sticky
notes
on
boards.
AA
There
was
a
lot
of
work
that
was
being
done.
Councilman
shade
is
absolutely
correct.
What
came
out
of
that
was
what
should
have
been
one
of
the
options
on
here.
That's
not
an
option
it's
been
shown,
but
for
whatever
reason
it's
not
listed
as
option
one,
two,
three
or
four-
and
it's
what
it's
what
people
wanted
it?
It
is
a
Civic
space.
It
is
some
green
space.
AA
AA
Don't
believe
that
this
area
is
the
dilapidated
dilapidated
area
that
needs
that
type
of
of
push,
if
it
was
I,
don't
believe
Faison
would
be
investing
what
they're
investing
in
the
area
right
now
and
you
know,
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
that
we
have
to
put
ourselves
in
debt
that
far
to
kick
West
Ashley
off,
look
I
love,
West,
Ashley
lived
here
all
my
life
as
I've
said.
This
is
a
very,
very
important
area
to
me.
AA
If
I
felt
like
that
was
needed,
then
I
would
certainly
have
have
supported
option
one,
but
we
do
need.
We
need
to
go
back
to
what
we
were
looking
at
before
one
of
the
the
plan
that
should
have
been
in
here.
As
plan
One,
Two,
Three
or
plan,
four,
that's
not
I
want
something
special
here
and
and
listen.
AA
We
need
to
invest
in
West
Ashley,
certainly
and
and
if
we
need
to
spend
that
those
kind
of
dollars-
that's
fine
I,
just
don't
think
we
need
to
spend
it
on
the
way
that
on
what
was
already
voted
down,
but
but
I
do
think
that
there's
a
viable
option
here
so
anyway,
I
appreciate
you
allowing
me
to
speak
at
this
meeting.
I
know
I'm,
not
a
Committee,
Member
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
B
V
First
and
foremost,
the
most
important
part
of
this
project
for
us
is
Publix
right
now
the
public
is
undergroundlies.
We
don't
control.
The
Groundlings.
Publix
has
15
more
years
left
of
options
on
this
ground
lease.
They
are
working
with
us
on
the
Redevelopment
part
to
move
it
to
the
South
part
of
our
property
on
ash
tree
Landing.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
about
the
order
of
operations
and
the
sequencing
that
needs
to
happen
in
order
for
anything.
V
Even
if
we
wanted
to
contemplate
a
deck,
a
shared
deck
that
couldn't
happen
until
public
moves
and
we're
still
in
the
pre-op
part
of
the
TRC.
So
we're
not
even
we're
very
early.
We've
been
going
on
it
for
a
year
and
a
half-
and
it's
very
premature
for
us
at
this
point
to
get
too
specific,
as
we
go
through
TRC
and
through
drb.
So
we're
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
council,
member
Parker.
You
know
I
think
to
councilmember
Shades
point
about
the
plan.
West
Ashley.
There
are
a
lot
of
parts
about
plan,
West
Ashley.
V
Those
are
design
principles
that
we're
trying
to
incorporate
in
our
Redevelopment
plan
so
again,
leases
especially
retail
leases
and
ground
leases,
have
a
lot
of
restrictions
in
terms
of
what
we
can
and
can't
do
as
a
developer
and
we're
trying
to
reconfigure
this
property,
because
we
do
think
it's
a
key
piece
of
of
West
Ashley
of
Charleston
and
we
do
want
to
make
it
special
and
we
want
to
make
it
so
it's
generational
this
this
was
originally
developed
in
1970.
The
Publix
was
developed
in
1994.
V
as
an
afterthought
is
basically
an
out
parcel
and
that's
when
you
go
down
when
you're
going
down
Sam
writ
or
Old
Town,
you
get
to
see
the
backside
of
a
Publix
loading
dock
I.
Don't
think
that's
what
what
this
the
residents
of
West
Ashley
want
to
see
when
you're
to
spend
that
kind
of
money
into
the
three
and
a
half
acres
on
Seymour
Street,
so
we're
working.
We
want
to
collaborate
with
you
all.
We
want
to
make
sure
we
do
it.
V
That
I
think
we
need
to
take
a
look
at
those
design
principles
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
smart
people.
I'm,
not
you
know,
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
a
land
planner,
but
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
are
professionals
who
did
spend
quite
amount
of
amount
of
time
on
connectivity,
pedestrian
walkways
bicycle
paths.
Those
are
parts
that
we're
trying
to
incorporate
into
our
design
on
the
back
side
of
the
center
that
we
haven't
shown
you.
Yet
it's
in
our
submittal.
We
want
to
do
some
special
things
in
the
back
part
of
the
property.
V
The
Border,
Charlestown,
Drive
and
I
am
looking
forward
to
working
with
the
county
on
getting
some
of
the
the
traffic
improvements
on
samrit
and
on
Old
Town,
because
I
think
that
will
help
curb
some
of
the
the
the
issues
on
traffic
generation.
That's
on
the
on
the
merge
itself,
so
I'm
happy
to
talk
further
and
work
with
staff
work
with
City
Council
Members
I've
met
most
of
them
most
of
you
all
and
I
appreciate
your
feedback
and
want
to
continue
working
on
on
what
we
can
do
from
our
side.
B
U
Waring,
thank
you,
Mr
Tim.
What
I'd
like
to
do?
I
hope
it
wouldn't
count
against
my
time
I'd
like
to
get
the
clerk
of
council
to
read.
If
you
have
it,
because
if
you
don't
I,
do
it's
the
page,
it's
Item,
B,
C
and
D
on
west
side
of
plan,
West
Ashley
on
page
2.32
I
think
it
should
be
in
the
record,
because
a
lot
of
people
in
this
room
actually
worked
on
having
this
plan
become
an
effect.
U
U
That
was
brought
on
the
council
in
the
past
unanimous
councilmember
and
I
served
on
the
selection
process
for,
for
the
company,
eventually
wrote
it
to
get
that
consultant
hire
the
price
was
five
hundred
and
five
thousand
the
hired
as
consultant
to
plan
West
Ashley
historic
Charleston,
the
man.
His
team
actually
got
involved
with
historic
Charleston,
and
they
actually
contributed
fifty
thousand
dollars
to
help
to
free
the
city's
costs
because
they
they
also
wanted
to
help
plan
West
Ashley.
U
I
The
city
recently
acquired
the
site
of
the
vacant
Piggly
Wiggly.
Future
use
of
this
site
should
benefit
the
community
and,
given
the
prominent
location
positively
contribute
to
West
Ashley
identity,
a
portion
of
the
property
is
proposed
to
be
used
to
facilitate
intersection
improvements.
This
sketch
shows
a
new
building
in
public
space
to
front
the
improved
intersection
parking
which
could
include
a
parking
structure
is
lined
from
view
of
pedestrians
on
the
street.
This
new
building
can
be
the
architectural
centerpiece
to
an
improved
entry.
District
special
attention
should
be
given
to
its
design.
I
Street
beautification
on
Sam
Rittenberg
Boulevard
in
Old
Town
Road
can
include
Street
trees,
landscaped
medians
and
continuous
sidewalks.
In
the
recent
past,
High
vehicular
speeds
and
lacking
pedestrian
infrastructure
have
dictated
an
auto-oriented
form
of
development.
Public
Street
improvements
that
make
walking
Bible
can
encourage
additional
building
improvements
by
private
property
owners
on
surrounding
Parcels.
In
a
walkable
mixed-use
pedestrian-oriented
fashion,
more
details
about
Post
Street
design
can
be
found
in
chapter
three
over
time.
A
network
of
streets
can
improve
larger
Parcels,
such
as
the
Ashley
Landing
Plaza,
providing
greater
pedestrian
access
in
an
oasis
of
walkability.
I
At
this
key
entry,
District
initially
Drive
aisles
through
parking
lots
over
time,
new
streets
can
be
lined
by
trees,
new
plazas
public
spaces
and
new
buildings
that
hold
a
variety
of
uses,
including
retail
entertainment
destinations,
workplaces
and
Residences.
This
sketch
shows
one
of
many
possible
alignments
layouts
for
a
new
connected
Street
Network
through
the
area.
Thank.
U
U
No
it's
in
there
creating
the
Green
Space,
creating
tree-lined
streets
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I
mean
that's
the
drawing
showing
all
the
docks
with
the
trees
and
all
of
that,
but
my
point
is
walkability
shaded
streets,
a
public
building
that
actually
the
first
person
that
actually
spoke
about
a
Civic
Center
being
on
that
site
is
actually
was
complimentary
and
I
was
doing
the
process.
When
we
were
selecting
you
know
the
consultant
now.
U
U
We
just
didn't
address
it
at
all
and
it
came
back
to
bite
us.
We've
actually
have
a
plan
for
West
Ashley
and
we're
getting
away
from
it.
Councilman
Gregory
is
right.
The
Gateway
actually
starts
at
the
bridge.
Coming
and
I
actually
went
by
the
other
day
and
it's
trash
right
now,
I
invite
everybody.
When
you
leave
the
meeting,
if
you
can,
please
take
the
that's
actually
the
World
War
II
Bridge,
we
don't
even
put
a
a
flag
there
on
on
4th
of
July
Veterans
Day
or
Memorial's
Day
Memorial
Day,
you
go
to
other
places.
U
You
see
that
there's
trash
right
now,
as
you
come
into
that
Gateway
and
we
just
cut
the
grass
I'll
contractor
cut
the
grass
last
week
because
we
have
no
maintenance
program.
That's
where
the
West
trashley
Monica
comes
from.
Gateway
is
just
like
that,
because
we
don't
do
anything
now.
That's
on
all
of
us,
that's
on
all
of
us,
Miss
Wharton.
U
Could
you
come
up
because
there's
some
fundamental
things-
that's
never
been
said
in
the
public,
in
particular
with
the
finances
on
this
piece
that
created
the
no
vote
and
the
split
on
this
and
to
my
knowledge
there
was
never
a
public
airing
of
how
this
lease
is
supposed
to
work
and
who's
supposed
to
pay
for
the
parking
for
the
developer.
Can
you
can
you
first
tell
us:
how
much
did
the
city
pay
for
this
property
and
what
we
have
in
it
today?
We.
AB
U
AB
AB
U
So
99
years
so,
and
we
voted
for
option
one,
we
would
be
voting
to
take
three
million
dollars
that
taxpayers
paid
for
six
years
ago
and
let
it
developer
use
it
for
a
hundred
dollars
up
front
for
99
years.
That's
five
generations:
the
parking
everybody
along
Sam,
Rittenberg,
Boulevard,
Sam,
Rittenberg
Boulevard,
is
about
three
miles
long.
U
All
those
businesses,
offices,
businesses,
restaurants,
the
owners
they
paid
for
their
land,
they
paid
for
their
parking
and
they
paid
for
their
buildings
every
last
one
of
them.
Okay,
now
we're
going
to
supplement
a
development.
Let
me
tell
you
these
fine
people,
but
they
negotiated
a
well
of
a
deal
for
themselves.
They
out
negotiated
the
city.
U
U
Borrow
money
pay
interest
on
it
to
pay
for
the
developer's,
use
every
business
person
and
that's
three
miles
worth
of
businesses
paid
for
their
parking.
That's
14
million
dollars
that
can
go
above
the
ground
for
beautification.
For
some
of
the
things
that
it
was
a
Dover
code,
the
consultant
said
would
help
Revitalize
West
Ashley,
the
plazas,
the
landscape,
medians.
U
Almost
4
35
40
000
cars
somewhere
up
and
they
go
up
and
down
St
Andrews
I
mean
Sam
Samberg
Boulevard,
almost
a
third
of
it
doesn't
have
sidewalks
most
of
the
CARTA
bus
stops
on
the
older
portion,
doesn't
have
a
shelter
it's
over
100
degrees
out
there.
Anybody
standing
up
at
a
CARTA
bus
stop
right
now
over.
There
hope
you
have
umbrella,
we
actually
have
cow
pass.
U
U
U
Parks
do
generate
economics
and
the
best
the
quintessential
example
in
the
City
of
Charleston
would
have
been
Waterfront
Park.
They
were
wasps
that
had
caught
a
fire
that
smoldered
and
moved
black
sticking
up
out
of
the
marsh.
They
were
warehouses
around
them.
The
the
market
when
I
was
a
kid,
was
a
seedy
place.
You
did
not
go
there
at
dark.
U
There
was
never
a
vote
whether
we
should
lease
the
land
for
99
years
for
a
hundred
dollars
and
that's
some
of
the
the
beating
that
we've
been
taking
with
all
due
respect:
councilman
Bowman,
when
I,
when
I
first
said
that
at
the
chamber
meeting
it
caught
councilman
bound
so
much
by
surprise.
He
actually
said
there's
some
things.
That's
been
said
today
that
have
yet
to
be
verified.
U
We
take
that
kind
of
money.
I
ran
to
help
Revitalize
West
Ashley.
That
was
the
purpose.
I
ran
because
West
Ashley
was
not
being
treated
fairly
when
it
comes
to
money.
I
know
I'm
over
my
time
but
Mr
chairman
prize
for
me,
coming
on
the
council.
They
had
never
been
a
tourism
dollar
spent
West
at
Ashland,
and
it
never
happened
before
myself
and
Bill.
Moody
came
on
this
Council.
U
Carl
Richardson
Park
that
we
cut
the
ribbon
on
the
other
day,
Miss
Higgins,
that's
the
first
time
tourism
dollars
was
spent
anywhere
West
Ashley
to
buy
it,
that's
where
the
money
came
from
and
some
of
the
money
to
repair.
So
when
it
comes
to,
we
have
not
seen
the
beauty
that
Dover
Cole's
talking
about
in
this
plan.
We
have
not
even
seen
that
because
it
was
never
presented
to
us
with
all
due
respect.
U
When
you
talk
about
the
item
D,
that
the
clerk
read
over
time,
a
network
of
streets
improvements
and
Parcels,
such
as
Ashley
Landing.
Now
this
is
dated
December
28,
2017.
Okay.
This
is
what
the
Consultants
sing
large
Apostles,
such
as
Ashley,
Landing,
Plaza,
providing
great
pedestrian
access,
and
you
are
right.
Council,
member,
Bowden,
I,
wouldn't
take
my
kid
there.
If
the
traffic
is
whizzing
through
there
at
45
50
miles
an
hour
that
needs
to
change
when
you
come
into
West
Ashley,
why
can't
it
be
35
miles
an
hour?
U
U
The
intersection
when
you
first
come
across
is
Dobbins
and
Poston.
We
have
galvanized
polls
up
there
with
red
lights
on.
Why
can't
we
have
the
ornamental
lighting,
because
the
money
and
the
Tiff
is
designed
to
do
that
if
we
put
it
on
the
ground,
we'll
keep
galvanized
poles.
Thank
you
for
allowing
the
time
that
I've
had.
Thank
you
sure.
C
Details
for
this
idea,
including
additional
Design
Concepts,
can
be
found
in
chapter
three
and
that's
in
fact
what
the
the
picture
shows
on
the
next
thing
is:
Old
Town,
Road
turning
to
the
left
and
coming
to
a
intercept,
a
different
kind
of
intersection
with
Sam
ruttenberg.
So,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
went
through
a
two-year
process
with
citizens
we
all
participated
and-
and
that
did
not
happen,
that
did
not
happen.
The
citizens
did
not
want
to
see
that
change
occur.
C
So,
even
though
we
had
a
good
Vision
a
concept,
you
know
you
got
to
deal
with
reality
when
it
occurs,
and
so
just
that
one
point
I
I
just
want
to
share
with
y'all.
This
is
a
concept
plan
now.
Oh,
are
we
actually
following
this?
Listen
to
this
the
city
again,
paragraph
B,
choir
to
site
future
use
of
the
site
should
benefit.
The
community
should
benefit
the
community,
well,
who's.
C
To
say
that
plan
one
option,
one
or
two
just
just
don't
think
about
the
parking
one
option:
one
and
option
two
provide
the
same
kind
of
community
space
and
activity.
The
only
difference
is
one
has
parking
on
the
ground
and
two
has
a
small
parking
deck
right,
but
other
than
that.
Both
options
provide
all
of
the
community
benefits
that
this
plan
calls
for
okay
and
give
the
prominent
location
positively
contribute
to
West
Ashley
identity.
I
would
make
the
case
that
a
wonderful
development
like
one
or
two
would
positively
contributed
contribute
to
West
Ashley
identity.
C
It's
it's
not
out
of
what
is
called
for.
The
sketch
shows
a
new
building
and
public
space.
That's
exactly
what
option
one
and
two
both
do.
They
show
a
new
building
and
public
space
at
the
intersection
and
is
lined
the
parking
is
away
from
the
street.
Okay.
This
new
building
can
be
of
architectural
centerpiece
to
an
improved
entry,
District,
so
I
don't
know
about
y'all,
but
I
like
the
work
that
Leo
Leo
does
and
I
think
his
firm
did
an
excellent
job
of
Designing.
C
The
building
for
this
space
so
so
actually
option
one
and
option.
Two,
in
my
view
satisfy
the
vision
of
of
playing
West
Ashley.
Paragraph
beat
now
paragraph
C
deals
with
The
Pedestrian
nature
of
this
whole
area.
The
one
thing
that
happened
with
the
county
plan
when
we
decided
not
to
do
the
intersection
is,
thankfully,
the
county
plan,
a
pedestrian
improvements
all
on
either
side
of
Ashley
Plaza.
Isn't
that
right,
they've
got
it
set
up
to
do
with
the
new
alignment
for
Donahue
to
make
safer
crosswalks
there,
a
new
traffic
light
over
at
Sam
ruttenberg?
C
What's
the
side
street
Amberly
so
with
improved
sidewalks,
luckily
councilman
wearing,
we
have
partners
and
this
pedestrian
improvements
has
envisioned
in
plan.
West
actually
is
actually
part
of
the
County
project
that
we
hope
they're
going
to
proceed
with
about
the
same
time
that
we
could
be
building
our
project
paragraph
D
over
time.
A
network
of
streets
can
improve.
Now
Chris
didn't
go
into
this,
but
he
is
planning
for
his
property.
He
he
mentioned
it
briefly:
better
pedestrian
and
walkability,
even
within
the
Ashley
Plaza
development.
V
C
C
But
but
read
further
in
paragraph
D
that
Madam
clerk
read,
it
wasn't
called
for
not
a
single
city,
building
and
green
space.
It
calls
for
new
plazas
public
spaces
and
new
buildings
that
hold
a
variety
of
uses,
including
retail
entertainment,
destinations,
workplaces
and
Residences
y'all.
That's
exactly
what
we
got
in
option,
one
or
two:
it's
the
only
difference
is
the
parking
I'm
telling
you
it's
right
in
front
of
our
face.
We
just
need
to
move
forward
with
one
of
these
options:
y'all,
don't
like
the
parking
down
below.
C
Let's
put
it
up
above
I
mean
most
of
our
citizens.
Didn't
like
that.
But
you
know
it's
only
a
22
foot
high
parking
garage
we
can
make
it
look
beautiful.
Let's
move
forward
with
just
what
plan.
Lastly
asked
West
Ashley
said
a
variety
of
uses,
including
retail
entertainment
destinations,
workplaces
and
Residences.
We
got
it
right
in
front
of
us
y'all.
Let's
do
it.
E
E
I
purposely
just
kind
of
waited
to
hear
from
from
my
colleagues
and
what
I'm,
what
I'm
hearing
is
essentially
a
fundamental
vision,
shift
or
or
a
delta.
In
our
vision
you
know:
I
hire
one
group
of
council
members
talking
about
Green,
Space
and
Civic
space
and
streetscapes
and
dare
I,
say
more
palm
trees
that
that's
one
vision
and
then
I
hear
other
council
members
talking
about
revitalization,
which,
ironically,
is
in
is
the
title
of
the
plan.
E
West
Ashley,
revitalization
I
think
we
just
need
to
be
honest
with
each
other
and
and
be
and
and
and
and
let
us
know
what
side
of
the
coin
are
you
on.
Are
you
for
beautification
in
in
Green
Space?
Are
you
for
revitalization?
As
a
small
business
owner
I
will
tell
you
more
green
space,
Civic
space,
streetscapes
sidewalks,
that's
not
going
to
Spur
the
economic
development
that
West
Ashley
I
think
West
Ashley
is
looking
for
now.
E
E
I
appreciate
the
mayor
going
through
some
of
that
and
being
articulating
where
the
plan
where
it
was.
But
another
kind
of
ironic
thing
is
only
here
in
the
public
sector
in
politics
in
a
government,
are
we
referencing
a
plan
that
is
outdated?
Councilman
Bowden
hit
the
nail
on
the
head.
We
are
in
2023,
things
have
changed.
E
The
private
Market
should
dictate
where
we
head
with
that
area
and
if
we're
truly
trying
to
revitalize
West
Ashley,
then
I
really
need
to
think
we
should
think
about
where
the
private
Market
is
today
in
2023
I
realized
there
was
a
plan,
but
based
on
the
mayor's
point
of
view
and
based
on
councilman
Waring
and
others.
It
seems
to
me
that
that
plan
is
pretty
generic
and
you
can
interpret
it
as
you
wish,
but
I,
just
all
I'm
saying
is
based
on
today's
conversation.
E
E
99
could
care
less
about
what
happens
until
it
starts
to
get
built.
Our
job
is
to
think
about
the
future
and
forecast
and
think
about
what
the
area
is
going
to
need,
not
today,
but
five.
Ten
years
from
now
and
it's
clear
to
me
option
one
or
two
they're
expensive
foreign
but
option
one
or
two
seemed
to
me,
based
on
what
I'm
hearing
from
folks
in
West
Ashley
seem
to
be
the
vision
for
tomorrow.
If
we
want
to
talk
about
the
vision
for
today,
let's
add
more
palm
trees.
Let's
add
a
water
feature.
E
Let's
add
more
green
space,
but
let's
be
clear
folks
that
that
is
not
going
to
revitalize
West
Ashley,
that's
going
to
beautify
West
Ashley,
two
different
things
completely.
The
last
thing
I
just
want
to
say
is-
is
I.
As
my
timeline
Council
comes
to
an
end,
I
think
I've
shown
that
I've
tried
to
be
independent
and
I'm,
not
supporting
either
option
one
or
option
two
for
any
political
reasons:
I'm
not
running
again
and
no
offense
mayor
Tech
I,
don't
care
who
wins
the
mayoral
election,
but
I
do
care
about.
Is
this
project
is
important?
E
I'd
like
to
see
us
come
to
council,
come
to
an
agreement
before
before
the
fall
gets
here
and
like
get
to
a
plan
that
we
can
all
agree
on
everything
I've
heard
today
from
fellow
council
members
is
we're
engaged.
We
want
to
see
something
happen
in
West,
Ashley,
I.
Think
the
question
is
what
that
looks.
Like
I
mean
I
feel
hopeful
that
we
are
having
this
conversation.
But
if
we're
not
listening
to
the
constituents,
we're
not
listening
to
the
public
that
is
coming
here,
sharing
their
concerns
with
us,
then
what
are
we
doing?.
E
D
W
B
W
Great
that
sounds
great
I'll
I'll
get
it
I'll,
get
it
in
in
that
time,
yeah
there's
just
the
fundamental
difference
of
vision
here
and
that's
okay,
I
mean
it's
it's
okay
to
have
different
views
and
different
Visions
here,
but
I
I
just
do
not
believe
all
is
well
in
West
Ashley
I
do
not
think
West
Ashley
is
doing
great
I.
Think
Wes
trashley
is
real.
It
is
a
real
thing
and
we've
got
to
be
honest
with
each
other
about
it.
There's
some
parts
of
West
Ashley
that
are
wonderful,
that
Sam
Rittenberg
Corridor.
W
This
Northbridge
area
is
rough.
It's
rough
okay
and
my
response
to
that
reality
on
the
ground
is
we
need
to
do
something
big?
We
need
to
do
something
bold.
We
need
to
do
something
exciting.
A
meeting
space
for
the
drb
is
not
exciting.
A
park
between
suicide.
Merge
is
a
legal
liability
and
it's
absurd.
We've
got
to
do
something
big
and
we've
got
to
do
something.
Grand
we've
got
it
on
the
table
right
before
us.
West
Ashley
is
not
a
few
sidewalks
and
beautification
problem
projects.
Away
From
Success.
W
W
I,
don't
agree
with
my
dad
on
music
taste,
it's
okay,
but
it's
a
difference
and
that's
what's
causing
the
split
here
at
a
very
fundamental
level.
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
to
go
big
and
make
a
meaningful
investment
and
commitment
to
West
Ashley.
Just
like
mayor
Riley
did
downtown
with
the
Charleston
Place
and
several
of
his
other.
W
You
know
Innovative
Visions
over
the
years,
and
so
that's
what's
really
going
on
here
and
it's
and
it's
that's.
What's
you
know
we're
having
to
decide
on
and
the
Public's
watching
and
the
public
will
have
an
opportunity
to
decide
how
they
view
on
it.
But
that's
what
we're
talking
about
today
at
the
end
of
the
day,
thanks.
G
When
we
talked
about
option
one
and
the
underground
parking,
we
talked
about
the
Dutch
dialogue
and
we
talked
about
drainage
trust
me.
That's
another
20
or
30
million
no
one's
talking
about
that,
but
in
terms
of
cost
but
I'm
hearing
that
oh,
we
need
underground
because
we're
going
to
go
with
the
Dutch
dialogue
and
we're
going
to
do
water
and
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah.
That's
not
a
part
of
that
45
million.
G
G
G
G
I,
just
think
that
we
see
things
a
little
differently.
That's
all
so!
I
I
just
think
that
we
need
to
stop
ignoring
some
of
the
facts
and
I
thought
that
councilman
Waring
was
pretty
clear
in
terms
of
his
questions
and
in
terms
of
what
we're
giving
not
to
the
people
who
are
in
need,
but
potentially
to
the
Developers
and
I'm
a
shut
up
now.
But
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
know
when
we
start
voting
on
these
things.
We
know
what
we're
voting
on
and
be
clear.
X
AA
X
X
C
We
we
envisioned
that
from
the
beginning,
that
this
would
be
a
partnership
that
they
would
in
essence,
do
the
build
out
a
portion
of
the
property
we
own,
the
whole
property,
but
a
portion
of
the
new
buildings
would
be
owned
by
the
city
and
then
after
they
build
them
to
our
satisfaction.
The
city
building
we'll
buy
that
building
from
them,
including
the
parking
facilities
so
but
yeah,
a
private
developer
was
going
to
build
it
all
her
agreement
with
the
city
that
we
approved
a
few
years
ago.
C
X
Just
a
quick
follow-up,
but
again
so
our
city
plan
I
mean
we
we
as
the
city,
we
don't
have
to
develop.
This
parcel
I
mean
we
can
put
it
out
to
you
know
we
can
privatize
this.
This
we
can
like
I,
stated
earlier
and
I
just
think,
I
know
as
a
part
of
this
committee
and
where
this
sits
now
I
want
to
hear
obviously
with
direction
from
all
of
our
West
Ashley
council
members.
But
what
does
putting
this
out
rezoning
this
repackaging
this
having
some
city
offices?
What
does
that
look
like?
X
E
E
Although
I
do
think
for
my
comments,
something
Dynamic,
something
that's
mixed
use,
something
that
does
have
some
green
space
that
does
revitalize
West
Ashley
should
be,
should
be
our
North
Star
in
this.
But
if
we've
got
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
how
it's
funded
I
do
I
do
think
that
that's
worthy
and
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
other
council
members
that
have
have
suggested
that
or
have
had
concerns
of
that
we
do
recognize
those
concerns
because
they
are
valid.
Thank
you.
B
H
H
U
Y
Y
2.32
has
key
ideas:
Illustrated
a
b
c
and
d
on
the
next
page.
It
marks
these
sections
a
b,
C
and
D
section
B
talks
about
the
property
that
we
own
sumar
Street
and
it
talks
about
a
new
building,
a
new
building,
singular
and
then
it
goes
on
says
this
new
building
can
be
architecturally.
A
centerpiece
section.
Y
D
is
marked
on
this
page
and
it
refers
to
the
area
across
the
street
on
Sam
Rittenberg,
where
the
buy
law
used
to
be,
which
is
now
the
area
populated
by
Palmetto,
State
Armory,
section
D
is
referring
to
the
Ashley
Landing
Plaza,
and
so
the
part
the
mayor,
read
that
talked
about
that
could
hold.
A
variety
of
uses,
does
not
apply
to
the
sumar
suite
site.
It's
section
d.
Y
The
variety
of
uses,
including
retail
entertainment,
designations,
workplace
and
Residences,
refers
to
the
Ashley
Landing
Plaza,
which
is
clearly
marked
in
section
D,
and
the
area
populated
now
over
across
the
street,
where
I
was
located
that
whole
area,
including
Palmetto,
State,
Armory
and
West
Ashley,
is
not
old.
Gentlemen.
Ladies,
it's
a
living
document.
Y
It's
quite
insulting
in
all
due
respect
to
those
who
brought
that
up.
This
is
something
that
had
encompassed
as
count
as
councilman
Sacrament
said:
A
diversity,
group
of
individuals
who
studied
this,
who
participated
in
this
in
this
thing,
and
it
was
passed
unanimously
in
2018..
If
you
think
2018
and
2000
2023
is
your
generational
change
I,
then
we're
supposed
to
be
working
in
in
real
time
always
and
making
plans
to
the
city?
That's
nonsensical.
Y
Y
I
agree
with
that,
but
we've
got
a
blueprint
and
that's
all
I'm
stating
the
blueprint
tells
us
what
to
do
and
I
would
ask
someone
to
make
a
motion
who's
on
this
committee
to
just
adopt
was
proposed
in
plan.
West
Ashley
created
a
Civic
space
in
here
I'm,
not
talking
about
a
park
for
children
to
run
around
in
I'm
talking
a
screen
space
that
you
can
have.
You
can
congregate
in
and
that's
what
this
thing
is
talking
about.
Y
B
You
may
look
at
some
consensus
because
I
want
to
see
something
or
fall.
West,
Ashley
and
I
was
pushing
from
this
from
day.
One
and
I
was
just
listening
as
being
the
chair
I'm
in
this
carrying
the
meeting,
but
something
needed
to
be
done
as
quickly
as
we
possibly
can
because
you're
looking
for
something
I
said
from
day,
one
and
I
spoke
to
councilman
shade
and
he
know
my
position
on
what
I
said
in
the
beginning.
When
this
first
started
what
I
was
going
to
support
and
what
I
was
not
going
to
support.
B
You
know
I'm
a
little
different
from
every
all
of
my
colleagues
I'm
out
there.
All
the
time
and
I
said
I
see
things
and
be
aware
of
certain
things
that
some
people
are
not
aware
of,
and
he
knew
exactly
where
I
was
coming
from
what
I
said
it
and
I
have
not
changed
my
position
from
that
point.
You
know
from
the
commute
from
the
the
municipal
building.
B
I
always
wanted
to
see
that,
because
I
love
seeing
that
I
think
it's
needed
in
that
particular
area,
so
that
people
West
Ashley,
wouldn't
have
to
come
all
the
way
down
in
the
committee
to
bring
into
the
that
brings
traffic
and
more
traffic
into
something
closer
to
them,
but
the
rest
of
the
things
I
had
I
always
had
my
reservation
on
the
on
the
underground
parking.
My
reservation
was
always
there
from
day
one
when
this
thing
was
first
started.
B
I
said
I'm
just
didn't
come
here
and
I
said:
West
Ashley
I
know
West
Ashley
very
well
from
time.
I
was
living
here.
All
these
years
and
from
I
got
family
living
there
from
60
to
70
years
in
West
Ashley,
and
it
was
telling
me
the
same
thing:
I
just
don't
see
it.
I
never
saw
the
underground
parking
I.
Never
you
know
I,
never
really
liked
that
idea
of
it,
but
I
know
you
need
to
have
parking
over
there
somewhere
in
that
particular
area.
U
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
As
far
as
concept
Mr
Mayor,
the
Ravenel
Bridge
was
a
concept
and
it
did
not
have
a
10-foot
bike.
Pedestrian
path
on
it
was
with
the
leadership
of
Mayor
Rowley
people
thought
he
was
talking
about
the
side
of
his
head.
You
want
to
do
what
put
a
linear
part
on
the
Ravenel
Bridge,
and
it
is
one
of
the
most
beautiful
parks
in
the
country.
U
Leadership
did
that
now,
Mr
chairman.
We
actually
have
some
Stark
differences
and
it
is
the
financing.
Councilman
Sacrament
is
right.
So
let's
get
off
the
snod
I'm
gonna
make
a
motion:
I'm
not
gonna,
vote
for
it,
but
I'm
gonna
make
a
motion
that
we
leased
the
property
to
a
developer
for
a
hundred
dollars
a
year
for
99
years.
U
Can
I
get
a
second
of
that
motion,
you're
speaking
to
the
microns,
because
I
think
members
of
the
committee
need
to
vote
on
that
and
and
Council
need
to
vote
on
that,
because
a
lot
of
people
out
in
the
public
doesn't
realize
that
if
we
spend
this
money
paying
for
developer
needs,
we
will
not
have
money
to
beautify
things
in
this
case
above
the
ground.
So
I
want
to
get
on
the
record.
Who
is
in
favor,
because
when
I
saw
that
90
days
ago,
I
was
shot?
U
B
U
B
AB
E
Right,
thank
you,
chair
and
thanks
Jennifer
I
guess:
councilman
Waring
you're
asking
us
to
vote
on
this
with
no
other
information,
not
in
context
of
anything
else.
I
mean,
of
course,
for
face
value,
I'm
not
going
to
support
that.
But
the
goal
is
to
look
at
that
as
an
aggregate
of
the
whole
deal.
So
if
the
whole
deal
and
that's
one
part
of
the
deal
but
the
whole
other
part
of
the
deal
does
benefit
the
city,
then
then
I
would
support
that.
E
But
if
you're
asking
me
to
to
vote
on
that,
one
little
piece
like
I
I
kind
of
think
that's
disingenuous
to
ask
us
to
to
look
at
that
one
one
one
piece
of
of
a
deal.
There
are
many
aspects
of
the
deal
that
we
should
be
looking
at
and
I'm
not
really
sure
how
that's
going
to
move
the
ball
forward.
To
be
honest
with
you,
councilman
wearing
Mr.
B
I
C
Foreign
I'd
like
to
be
recognized:
oh
okay,
I
I,
appreciate
of
these
style
of
motions,
making
a
point.
We've
had
a
long
conversation
here
this
afternoon
and
a
lot
of
viewpoints
shared
I
would
respectfully
make
a
motion
that
we
adjourn
and
reconvene
as
you've
suggested.
Mr
chairman
Tuesday
have
a
little
period
to
cool
off,
maybe
reflect
on
what's
been
said
today,
I
make
a
motion.
We
adjourn.
Second.
B
I
B
B
U
Made
a
motion
in
one
second,
so
I'm
entitled
on
Origins
discussion.
I
have
a
second
motion
is
to
come,
because
these
are
fundamental
differences.
Should
we
take
taxpayers
dollars
and
pay
for
the
needs
of
the
developer,
and
this
is
some
of
the
reasons
we
voted
against
it.
That's
the
next
motion.
I
would
like
to
bring
to
the
floor.
Our
our
CFO
told
us
earlier
that
at
94
000
dollars
per
space
and
at
150
spaces
that
would
cost
slightly
more
than
fourteen
thousand
dollars.
I
mean
sorry
for
I
wish.
U
B
B
B
I
B
B
X
I,
we
have
no
actionable
item
items.
Gentlemen,
two
and
a
half
hours.
I
will
sit
here
another
hour,
so
we
can
give
West
Ashley
some
action
items.
We've
been
here
for
two
and
a
half
hours.
We
have
nothing
I,
think
moving
to
adjourn.
We
have
nothing
to
tell
West,
Ashley
or
direct
our
staff
I
think
we
need
to
do
that.
That's.
G
G
Now
we're
trying
to
keep
something
alive
right
now
and
have
some
further
discussions,
because
I
have
a
I,
have
a
emotion
as
well,
but
if,
if
the
majority
says
it
we
adjourn
okay,
then
we
adjourn.
However,
it's
not
going
to
change
my
motion
at
the
next
meeting.
So,
let's,
let's
move
forward
because
I
definitely
have
a
motion
and
I
think
it's
the
motion
that
the
people
want
here.
W
I,
just
don't
think
further
discussion
is
necessary
on
this
issue.
I
mean
we've
had
an
unbelievable
amount
of
public
engagement.
We've
had
an
unbelievable
amount
of
discussion
amongst
Council,
multiple
meetings,
multiple,
you
know,
non-foia
violation,
meetings
among
small
groups
of
us
talking
together,
we're
just
not
we're
just
at
a
log
Jam
here,
there's
just
a
different
philosophical
Vision
here
on
Council
across
multiple
different
wavelengths,
and
it's
not
for
lack
of
trying
on
anybody's
part,
I
think
everybody's.
Coming
into
this
with
good
intentions,
it's
just
we're
not
I.
W
W
Q
D
U
B
Team
I
have
a
motion.
Yeah.
Can
you
excuse
me?
Let's
try
to
come
up
with
something,
please
I
think
we
will
and
let's
try
to
accomplish
something.
So
we
can
move
because
we
can
move
forward
because
I
think
the
people
are
watching
us
and
they're
looking
for
us
to
do
something,
and
you
know-
and
we've
been
going
through
this
a
long
time
back
and
forth.
B
Let's,
let's
come
up
with
something
and
you've
been
I
was
looking
at
it
and
I'm
going
to
get
to
the
emotion,
but
I
was
looking
at
something
that
if
we
go
ahead
and
if
I
have
to
do
it
in
pieces
and
get
the
communities
and
be
in
the
municipal
building
done
and
go
ahead
with
that
and
then
come
back
and
try
to.
But
let's
get
something
done
here
today,
I,
agree
and
vote
on
something
here
please
thank
you.
U
That's
a
motion
move
to
approval
to
pay
for
that
and
I'm
not
gonna
vote
for
that
motion,
but
we
need
to
get
off
this.
These
are
the
things
we're
in
tug
of
war
with,
in
other
words,
spending
taxpayers
dollars
for
the
needs
of
the
developer
versus
improvements
above
the
ground
for
beautification
and
changing
the
Monaco
West
trash
lead
to
beautification.
So
we.
U
U
E
U
X
X
G
G
X
I
B
X
V
D
M
F
G
No
I
said
Green,
Space
and
and
a
municipal
building
and
the
municipal
building
may
have
parking
underneath
it.
If
it's
designed
in
such
a
way,
but
not
not
for
250
spaces,
no
green
space
would
Nest
would
need
that
the
the
parking
is
for
the
restaurants
and
the
office
space
and
all
that
other
stuff
activities
that
would
be
on
the
site.
A
green
space
would
not
require
that.
I
G
D
X
C
I
W
Real
quickly,
so
I
voted
no
for
several
reasons,
first
of
which
it's
hard
to
think
of
something
less
exciting
and
inspiring
and
dynamic
for
the
revitalization
of
West
Ashley
than
a
government
building
in
a
park
between
the
most
dangerous
intersection
in
West
Ashley,
and
the
other
thing
is
by
voting.
No,
the
city
is
taking
a
major
step
forward
towards
losing
approximately
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
cost
by
going
in
a
fundamentally
different
direction
than
we've
been
on
to
date,
and
that
is
the
amount
owed
to
Landmark.
Thank
you,
foreign.
U
Let's
have
some
discussions
with
them,
particularly
if
we
have
Tif
dollars
to
beautify
that
intersection.
When
you
come
in
and
begin
to
engage
in
the
conversation
with
the
highway
department
about
slowing
down
traffic
coming
through
that
Corridor,
so
councilman
Gregory
had
his
motion.
I.
Don't
think
we
need
a
motion
for
this,
but
the
second
meeting
should
be
along
the
lines
of
what
Ms
Parker
is
talking
about.
U
What's
going
to
be
the
steps
going
forward,
but
go
forward,
we
have
to
do
in
collaboration
with
the
county
and
the
state,
so
we
it'd
be
great
if
we
can
have
some
of
those
Representatives
here
as
well,
showing
us
already
what
they're
going
to
do
at
Orange,
Grove
and
and
Amberley,
but
what
else
can
be
done
at
Durham
and
posting
room
the
SEC?
The
third
thing
is:
can
we
have
a
representative
from
SC
and
G?
U
There's
a
unsightly
gas
station
I
mean
natural
gas
pipes
that
come
up
on
the
Gateway
coming
in
from
the
bridge
and
speak
to
them
about
putting
some
screening.
So
you
won't
see
The,
Rusted
barbed
wire
and
the
steel
pipes
coming
out
of
the
ground.
I'm.
Sorry
telling
my
age
Dominion
Energy.
If
we
can
have
a
representative
from
Dominion
Energy
to
speak
to
that,
okay.
U
U
U
B
Okay,
my
dilemma
in
all
this
I
wanted
to
have
something
to
I
know.
We
have
this
already
to
present
the
council,
and
so
we
can
make
a
decision.
That's
what
I
want
I
want
something
that
you
can
take
the
council
so
counseling
board
on
it,
so
West
Ashley,
the
residents
of
the
West
Ashley,
would
have
something
that
they
can
see
concrete,
that
something
is
being
done,
and
this
is
why
I'm
trying
to
kind
of
push
this
along.
B
U
B
B
Coming
no,
no,
no!
No!
No!
No
I
said
we
can't
do
it
Tuesday,
so
I'm
gonna
scratch
that
now
but
I
said
to
come
back
with
something
maybe
go
with
the
council.
I
want
to
have
something
in
place.
Let
me
say:
okay,
we
had
our
community
development
meeting.
We
have
this
in
place.
We've
done
this,
so
we
can
have
some
things
going,
even
with
the
parking
situation,
even
if
it's
up
stays
downstairs
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
or
something
dealing
with
parking.
B
U
And
one
last
item:
the
company:
that's
currently
cutting
the
grass
along
Sam
Rittenberg.
As
you
come
in
and
leave
West
Ashley
on
Sam
Rittenberg,
going
towards
the
bridge.
Can
we
find
out
who
that
company
is
and
see
if
we
can
adjust
their
job
to
do
a
task
to
do
a
better
job
at
keeping
that
keeping
the
weeds
cut?
That's
basically.
B
D
U
Have
allies
from
the
county
when
we,
whenever
we
meet
again
to
address
this?
The
first
intersection
you
come
to
when
you
come
into
West
Ashley
from
the
world.
One
two
bridge
is
Doom
drive
on
one
side
and
Poston
Road.
There
are
going
to
be
improvements
on
Orange,
Grove
and
Amberley,
but
right
now
no
improvements
of
envisioned
for
the
first
intersection
coming
in
through
our
Gateway.
So
if
we
can
have
somebody
from
the
county,
so
we
can
have
discussion.
Hopefully
we
have
some
discussions
between
now
and
the
next
meeting.
U
The
second
thing
was
having
somebody
from
Dominion
Energy
to
discuss
with
them
about
screening
the
natural
gas
station
with
the
steel
pipes
coming
out
of
the
ground.
If
they're
steel
right
now,
it's
a
rusted
Cyclone
gate
that
you
can
see
the
steel
pipes
coming
out
of
the
ground,
discuss
with
them,
get
with
Mr
Cassis
to
see
whether
we
can
put
a
screening
in
it
looks
more
appropriate
and
then
the
third
thing
was
to
get
with
the
we
have
a
company.
U
B
C
So
I
just
point
of
information:
first
councilmember
wearing
the
the
County's
project
for
improvements
from
Orange
Grove
Road
to
the
other
side
of
Ashton
Plaza,
Landing,
Donahue
and
down
Sam
Rittenberg
to
to
the
other
side
of
Carolina.
Is
that
scope
was
set
years
ago
and
so
I
certainly
welcome
partnering
with
them
on
new
projects.
But
you
know
to
to
go
up
on
the
other
side
of
Orange.
Grove
would
be
a
new
project.
Would
love
to
have
them
come
and
remind
everyone
what
they
have
planned
for
for
their
project?
C
C
Let
you
and
the
committee
know
that
I
had
asked
a
few
months
ago
for
our
planning
department
to
put
in
their
budget
for
next
year
a
a
planning
exercise
and
charette
for
the
streetscape
improvements
of
of
all
of
Sam
riddenberg,
not
just
from
the
bridge
but
going
from
sumar
Street.
All
the
way
to
the
Citadel
Mall
with
with
next
I,
think
logical,
Tiff
Improvement
for
for
this
District
to
be
a
Sam
Rittenberg,
streetscape
Improvement.
C
So
even
though
we
have
a
recommendation
here
from
from
this
committee,
it
would
still
need
to
be
passed
by
city
council
before
any
action
is
taken
by
this
Administration,
but
so
I'm
going
to
ask
Jason
both
privately
and
public
here,
to
give
us
a
little
forward
a
little
more
forbearance
unless
at
least
get
to
the
next
city
council
meeting.
Although
I
wouldn't
blame
you
for
going
home
tonight
and
sending
us
that
800
000
bill,
I,
I
I
would
understand
why
you
would
feel
that
way.
But
it's
not!
C
You
know
this
fat,
lady
hadn't
quite
sung,
yet
Mike
might
be
singing
in
a
few
weeks.
I
understand,
but
I
want
to
regardless
whether
you
send
us
the
bill
tonight
or
after
August.
15Th
I
want
to
sincerely
and
publicly
thank
you
for
the
great
lens
that
you've
gone
to
work
with
us
to
try
to
make
this
a
successful
proposal
for
all
of
our
citizens.
God
bless
you.
Thank
you,
sir
nice.
B
W
X
Don't
mean
I
don't
mean
to
put
y'all
on
the
spot.
You
know
Mr
Mayor,
councilmember,
Pell,
council,
member
sakron,
I
I
genuinely
would
love
to
hear
you
know.
It
sounds
like
we
have
one
item
that
we're
giving
our
city
stat
we've
kind
of
directed
our
staff
to
bring
back
to
our
committee
being
committee.
Members
I
would
love
to
hear
if
you
have
a
suggestion.
I
don't
want
to
put
you
on
the
spot.
E
And
I
provided
my
suggestion:
councilman
Parker,
which
has
come
back
with
maybe
some
reconfigured
numbers
on
on
the
cost,
come
back
with
maybe
an
alternate
design,
but
the
more
and
more
I
hear
this
discussion.
The
more
and
more
I'm
inclined
to
think
that
this
is
probably
not
going
to
happen
in
maybe
November
post
November
is
probably
likely.