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Description
City of Charleston Community Development Meeting 3/16/2023
C
C
I'd
like
to
thank
everyone
for
thinking
but
be
with
this
pressure
problem,
I
have
going
on
and
also
thank
you
Ms
Johnson
husbands
for
thinking
about
me
also,
and
my
brother
Gregory,
you
know
kind
of
keeping
me
and
almost
keeping
me
safe
a
little
bit.
Okay,
we'll
move
right
along
any.
We
don't
have
any
money
for
public
participation,
I
heard
they
bless
someone
coming
afterwards.
C
Second,
okay,
it
was
moving
second,
oh
fourth,
by
paper
by
saying
aye
aye
aye.
What
was
this?
We
have
no
old
business,
we're
gonna
jump
right
down
into
new
business.
It's
a
review
of
the
approval
of
the
20
20
23
2024
Community
Development
block
grant
CB
cdbg
home
investment,
partnership
program
and
Housing
Opportunity
for
a
person
with
age
Hopper
awards
from
the
Department
of
Housing
Revenue
development,
Ms,
Johnson,
chairman.
A
C
B
E
E
So
we
did
see
some
increases
in
the
funding
allocations
from
the
prior
year
and
as
I
indicated,
we
will
make
sure
that
you
all
have
this
chart
before
this
is
presented
to
city
council
and
very
quickly
cat.
If
you
will
summarize
for
the
members
of
the
committee,
the
the
awards
that
are
going
out
or
the
amount
to
our
non-profit
partners
and
then
that
which
is
coming
to
the
cities,
programs
from
the
various
allocations
or
the
various
programs.
Thank
you.
Yes,.
F
B
B
E
E
Mayor
we
have
an
allocation
of
a
little
over
269
thousand
dollars
in
the
hot
will
budget
for
that
purpose,
and
what
we
did
in
the
past
years
is
we
reached
out
to
developers
who
were
in
the
process
of
building
units
as
well
to
see
if
they
would
be
willing
to
dedicate
units
to
that
program
for
a
certain
amount
of
these
dollars?
We
were
fortunate
this
year
to
preserve
four
units
of
rental
housing.
They
closed
on
that
deal
two
weeks
ago.
So
that's
sealed.
C
C
Righty
any
other
questions
we'll
move
on
all
in
paper
book
by
saying
aye
aye
proposes
eyeshabits,
so
that's
approved.
Okay,
we'll
move
on
around
down
to
presentation
by
planning
preservation
and
sustainability
staff
regarding
allowable
residential
uses
and
densities
for
commercially
Zone
properties
and
I.
Think
this
would
be
done
by
Mr,
Robert
Somerville
Summerfield.
Sorry
about
that.
No.
G
B
G
Through
it
as
quickly
as
as
I,
possibly
can
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen
so
that
everyone
can
see
this.
Hopefully,
everyone
can
see
that
let's
go.
Thank
you,
sir.
So
I
wanted
to
just
really
quickly.
Talk
first
I
want
to
make
sure,
because
there's
been
some
comments
out
there,
some
about
this
concept
of
having
residential
densities
or
residential
uses
in
commercial
zones
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
touch
on,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we've
been
working
on
is
is
kind
of
some
additional
research.
G
That
we
feel
is
a
was
a
good
thing
and
was
ahead
of
its
time
and
and
actually
was
bucking.
The
trend
I
mean
when
zoning
came
into
being.
It
was
really
about
excluding
things,
excluding
people
in
some
ways,
but
also
moving.
You
know,
residential
things
from
our
residential
activities,
from
Industrial
and
Commercial
activities
and
kind
of
separating
things
in
Charleston.
They
didn't
do
that
in
Charleston.
Most
of
the
commercial
zones
also
afforded
a
level
of
residential
activity
as
well.
G
Now,
there's
a
number
of
reasons
why
they
did
that
I'm
sure
they
weren't
all
altruistic
but
historically
Charleston,
has
included
and
has
has
seen
the
benefits
of
having
residential
in
commercial
zones
so
that
you
create
what
we
typically
would
refer
to
in
planning
as
mixed
use
or
multi-use
neighborhoods
nowadays,
and
originally
this
map
was
going
to
show
you
all
of
our
zoning
districts.
We
have
so
many
zoning
districts,
so
you
look
at
this
older
one
and
well.
G
First
off
Charleston
was
obviously
much
smaller
back
in
1931
when
the
original
zoning
map
was
done,
but
really
they
had
essentially
just
a
handful
or
just
slightly
more
than
a
handful
of
zoning
districts.
Nowadays
we
have
quite
a
bit
more
zoning
districts.
So
what
we
did
was
we,
we
showed
the
commercial
zoning
districts
by
the
void
of
taking
out
all
the
other
districts.
So
what
you
see
on
this
zoning
map
is
this
is
the
City
of
Charleston
with
our
GB,
which
is
our
general
business
district.
G
We
also
have
our
limited
business
district,
as
well
as
our
two
industrial
zones,
which
is
light
industrial
and
heavy
Industrial,
as
you
can
see,
and
most
of
the
the
GB,
which
is
really
the
district
that
I
think
comes
into
the
biggest
piece
of
this
conversation
about
residential
use
in
a
in
a
commercial
zone
is
in
in
West
Ashley,
it's
not
exclusively
in
West
Ashley.
Obviously
we
have
some
in
downtown.
We
have
some
on
John's
and
James
Island.
G
We
even
have
some
out
in
in
cane
Hoy
for
most
of
the
examples,
though,
I'm
going
to
talk
about,
I
am
going
to
use
West
Ashley,
just
because
we
do
have
the
highest
concentrations
of
the
the
commercial
zoning
in
that
District.
Most
of
what
I'm
going
to
talk
about
is
is
still
applicable
in
these
other
areas
of
the
city
that
have
the
commercial
zoning.
G
G
These
are
areas
of
concern
for
the
community,
as
these
are
areas
that
have
seen
a
fair
amount
of
deterioration,
as
those
commercial
corridors
have
aged
quite
often
just
a
couple
things
that
I
pulled
out
from
plan
West
Ashley,
specifically,
you
know
during
plan
West
Ashley
the
team
heard
from
residents
that
they
really
wanted
to
be
able
to
have
opportunities
to
shop
dine
entertain
in
areas
close
to
their
home
so
that
they
had
opportunities
to
not
always
have
to
drive
everywhere.
Additionally.
G
The
concern
concerns
about
properties,
not
redeveloping
in
them
sitting
in
a
vacant
state
or
a
very
you
know,
just
old
Shopping
Center
State.
Instead
of
seeing
reinvestment
in
those
properties
that
can
improve
and
strengthen
and
reinforce
the
character
of
that
community
and
again,
those
are
similar
things
that
we
hear
generally
in
other
areas
of
the
City
of
Charleston,
where
we
have
some
of
these
aging
commercial
corridors.
G
Nowadays,
we
look
very
carefully
at
elevation
as
a
part
of
the
the
comp
plan
we
looked
very
diligently
at
elevation
is
a
part
of
making
recommendations
for
the
land
use
that
you
all
adopted
as
a
part
of
the
city
plan,
and
what
we
see
is
that
these
commercial
zoning
districts
again
predominantly
the
GB,
because
it
is
just
our
most
predominant
commercial
District.
What
we
see
is
these
sorry,
these
properties
that
are
zoned
this
generally
follow
and
I.
G
They
also
have
easier
access
to
other
services
that
they
need
for
their
family
and
a
more
robust
Transportation
Network
and
coincidentally,
these
also
so
seem
coincide
with
areas
where
our
infrastructure
is
the
highest,
where
we
have
transportation
capacity
where
we
would
see
and
expect
and
advocate
for
additional
spending
on
Transportation
infrastructure
in
the
future.
So
this
is,
as
many
of
you
probably
easily
recognize.
This
is
the
Citadel
mall
area.
G
You
know
you
move
other
areas
again
kind
of
using
West
Ashley
just
again,
because
we
had
really
good
Graphics
I
could
pull
for
this.
We
see
once
again
we
have
17
Savannah
highway.
We
have
it.
As
a
very
you
know,
High
area
we
have
a
much
much
higher
area
even
up
here
in
the
samrit
zone
and
again
we
see
this
General
business
and
and
Commercial
zoning
in
those
places.
Where
again,
we
would
expect
the
not
just
the
infrastructure
but
the
land
to
be
able
to
handle
more
intense
development.
G
G
G
There's
also
opportunities-
and
we
see
this
a
lot
in
downtown
where
we
do
a
lot
of
mixed
use
where
we
have
commercial
zoning
and
we
we
have
residential
aspects
of
it.
But
we
see
this
in
other
areas.
We
see
it
as
a
part
of
the
Redevelopment
proposal
for
the
Citadel
Mall,
where
elements
of
that
building
get
continue
to
be
reused,
but
these
types
of
zonings
allow
for
the
Adaptive,
reuse
and
investment
into
older
and
historic
buildings
and
allow
you
to
retain
retain
those
while
keeping
the
property
in
productive
use.
G
They
support
active
transportation
and
major,
which
has
some
major
health
benefits.
Additionally,
they
help
support
the
advancement
of
Transportation
projects,
so
we
as
a
community
we're
celebrating
that
the
Lowcountry
Rapid
Transit,
you
know,
looks
very
strong
and
looks
like
it.
That's
going
to
come
online,
one
of
the
things
that
has
been
being
discussed
quite
a
bit
in
the
community:
okay,
what's
what's
next
and
I,
think
a
lot
of
folks
have
talked
about
Savannah
highway.
G
Members
on
this
called
heart
is
the
fact
that
when
you
have
these
opportunities
for
more
mixed-use
developments,
you
actually
end
up
supporting
economic
diversification.
You
also
create
opportunities
for
smaller
commercial
spaces
that
are
much
more
likely
to
be
used
by
local
businesses
and
provide
entry
points
for
entrepreneurials
entrepreneurs
that
can't
necessarily
afford
to
rent
huge
spaces
that
might
be
available
in
just
like
a
business
park
or
an
office
Park
type
environment.
Just
real
quick,
some
examples
of
mixed
use
that
already
exist
in
the
community
and
are
serving
the
community
very
well.
G
We
all
know
King
history
in
on
the
peninsula
and
it's
historic
mixing
of
residential
over
or
in
conjunction
with
commercial.
But
you
know
it
can
go
from
King
Street
on
the
peninsula
to
something
like
Live
Oak
Square
over
on
John's
Island.
This
is
more
of
a
horizontal
mixed-use
Community
versus
a
vertical
one.
G
But
here
you
have
an
area
right
off
of
Maybank
Highway,
where
they're
cutting
down
on
trips,
because
you
have
this
residential
element
that
includes
apartments
and
townhouses
in
a
commercial
center
where
you
have
restaurants
and
other
services
readily
available
to
the
community,
and
so
that's
a
really
important
component
I.
Think
of
what
we
get
when
we
continue
to
provide
for
the
residential
in
these
commercial
zones.
And
then
we
have
you
know
future
development.
G
G
The
cost
to
build
is
just
such
that
even
those
are
not
significant
enough
to
kind
of
push
people
over
the
edge
into
redeveloping
these
underutilized
in
in
need
of
Redevelopment
side.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
could
do
is
we
could
offer
additional
density
on
top
of
what
we
already
have
if
they're
going
to
build
affordable
units
and
that
those
units,
maybe
don't
count
towards
the
density
on
the
site.
G
We
could
also
require
that,
in
order
to
have
a
residential
component
that
some
commercial
development
has
provided,
one
of
the
things
we've
heard
is
a
concern
about
commercial
property
just
being
used
as
a
residential
development
and,
and
that
not
you
know,
being
in
the
spirit
of
including
residential
and
commercials.
So
we
could.
We
could
actually
make
that
a
requirement.
It's
currently
not
that
could
be
a
really
low
low
barrier
change
that
we
could
make
to
address
that
concern.
G
We
could
also
modify
the
existing
buy
right
residential
allowance
downward
to
something
that
folks
think
is
is
maybe
more
appropriate
if
that's
the
concern
and
then
on
a
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
If
a
developer
wants
additional
density,
they
need
to
meet
certain
criteria
and
make
a
demonstration
to
the
public
through
a
public
hearing
process
on
getting
that
additional
density
and
those
additional
criteria
could
be
again
requiring
some
level
of
affordability.
For
anything
above
that
certain
base
amount
enhanced
storm
water
infrastructure.
G
We
already
have
some
of
the
best
storm
water
requirements
out
there,
but
maybe
there's
opportunities
that
a
project
could
enhance
those
requirements
or
enhance
their
infrastructure
and
and
provide
a
greater
Community
benefit.
Public
open
space
is
another
big
one
that
could
be
possible
in
that
regard,
and
then,
finally,
one
that
I,
we've
heard
and
I
think
has
been
worked
on
previously.
G
G
So
we
have
that
available
for
future
Economic
Development
type
projects
in
the
future
versus
you
know
running
out
of
our
industrial
land
and
just
not
having
that
available
to
future
businesses
that
want
to
locate
here
and
then
they
have
to
locate.
You
know
out
in
other
communities
that
maybe
aren't
as
accessible
to
the
other
services
that
Charleston
provides,
and
so
with
that
Mr
chairman.
B
G
Yes,
so
yes
councilman,
so
we
do
have
a
lot
of
industrial
land,
but
we've
seen
a
number
of
requests
to
convert
that
industrial
to
housing.
We've
had
you
know
the
property
right
there
by
where
our
new
Public
Service
yard
is
going
to
go.
You
know
they
brought
forth
an
application
for
residential
under
the
current
code.
G
G
H
Thank
you,
Mr
Chimney,
Mr,
Summerfield
I
appreciate
this
discussion.
Frankly,
the
modifying
the
buy
right
and
GB
you
know
down
with
I
think
makes
sense
a
lot
of
the
general
business
that's
in
place
got
put
there
years
ago
through
a
public
process
and
because,
at
that
time
it
was
some
sort
of
commercial
use.
You
know
shopping
whatever.
H
H
H
They
hit
the
profit
margin
they
leave
and
then
the
community
has
to
live
with
the
results,
so
I'm
really
interested
in
the
action
steps
it
would
take
for
us
to
be
able
to
move
from
having
a
good
conversation
on
it
that
actually
getting
a
little
bit
more
policy
in
place.
That
would
have
a
little
bit
more
public
input
into
the
change
from
commercial
shopping
to
Apartments.
B
Well,
thank
you.
First
of
all,
just
a
curiosity.
Go
back
to
that
very
first
slide.
You
had
Robert
with
the
1930
requirements,
I'm
just
curious
because
it
shows
height
limitations
there,
both
in
feet
and
in
stories,
looks
like
the
highest
designation
is
six
stories
and
80
feet.
Although
you
got
I
guess
this
is
where
the
3x
zoning
originated
is
1931
was.
Was
this
the
origin
of
height
restrictions
in
the
City
of
Charleston?
Do
we
know
that.
G
This
would
have
been
the
first
time
they
would
have
been
codified
as
zoning.
There
were
some
pattern
books,
I,
think
I've
seen
some
examples
of,
but
I
I
would
have
to
double
check
with
the
team
on
prior
to
1931
how
the
city
regulated
height,
but
this
was
the
first
time
you
saw
it
in
this
in
a
zoning
ordinance
using
the
new
zoning
concept
right.
B
B
Bring
it
down
to
12
or
I,
mean
right
now,
I
think
we
allow
19
and
24
units
per
acre
in
lb
and
GB
and
if
we
brought
it
down
half
of
that,
even
in
that
case,
councilmember
wearing
a
property
like
Ashley
River
Landing
is
so
big
that
they'd
still
be
able
to
build
as
many
units
as
they're
proposing
I
bet
on
on
on
their
property.
But
right
now
they
don't
even
need
a
rezoning.
B
B
B
Admittedly,
we
have
some
properties
in
the
city
that
are
Zone
light
and
heavy
industrial.
There
really
shouldn't
be
we.
You
know
we
things
have
already
changed
and
and
those
aren't
sites
where
we're
going
to
have
an
industrial
use
and-
and
we
ought
to
just
go
ahead
and
rezone
them
to
General
business,
where
they
can
still
do
some
residential
development
or
mixed
use.
But
the
parts
of
our
city
and
they're,
not
many
left
and
not
many
left
that
we
could
truly
say
we
want
to
have
some
kind
of
industrial
use
here.
B
You
know
and
and
Mr
Summerfield
just
gave
great
case
in
point.
We
got
apartment
complex
playing
right
next
to
where
our
our
fire
tower
and
garbage
truck
shop
is
being
planned
and-
and
honestly,
that
does
didn't
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
me
so
protect
some
some
industrial
use
and
provide
a
means
where
we
can
get
some
affordability
in
our
business
ownings,
but
still
allow
mixed
use.
I
think
those
are
both
good
things
to
pursue.
Thank.
C
C
J
J
You
know
we
have
a
very,
very,
very
mixed
use
area
and
it's
and
it's
hard
because
we're
looking
at
the
rethink,
Folly
Road,
the
overlay,
you
know,
and
what
we
have
obviously
and
what
people
don't
like
is
we
have
all
of
these
car
washes
and
storage
units,
so
they're
zoned.
These
light
industrial
but
I
am
definitely
open
to
having
these
conversations
because
rethink
Folly.
Road
is
obviously
a
big
priority
over
here
on
the
island,
It's
Tricky
multi-jurisdictionally,
but
I
certainly
would
love
to
talk
to
you
more
about.
J
You
know
some
of
the
ones
that
are
already
coming
up.
There's
not
much.
There
aren't
many
options
there,
but
it
would
certainly
be
something
that
would
be
good
to
have
discussions
with
these
developers
when
they're
putting
in
you
know
even
these
latent.
Even
in
these
light,
industrial
areas,
right
and
I,
think
you
know
the
areas
that
I'm
talking
about
on
James
Island
yeah.
J
J
I
definitely
want
to
look
more
into
this
because
the
the
rethink,
Folly
Road
is
it's
getting
trickier
and
trickier.
I
mean
we're
getting
that
overlay.
You
know
for
the
multi-use
path
with
some
of
these
newer
things
popping
up,
but
we're
we're
not
really
what
am
I
looking
for
you.
Don't
we
don't
really
have
what
what
the
community
is.
Looking
for,
like
you're
saying
the
mixed
use,
you
know
affordable
affordability,
business
sites,
things
like
that.
So
if
you
have
options,
you
know
that
are
specific
to
James.
G
I,
just
council
member
property
you're
right
on,
and
that
was
a
point
that
I
should
have
mentioned
as
well
is
not.
Every
solution
is
necessarily
going
to
be
right
for
every
area
of
the
city,
and
so
we
do
need
to
calibrate
our
Solutions
and
as
part
of
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
as
a
part
of
the
zoning
rewrite
is
a
kind
of
readdressing
where
different
zones
are
and
are
they
the
right
zones
for
that
area.
G
Based
on
all
the
work
we
did
during
the
the
comp
plan
and
the
work
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
through
the
zoning
rewrite.
So
it's
not
just
a
matter
of
rewriting
standards.
It's
also
going
to
be
taking
a
hard
look
at
where
those
alien
categories
exist
now
and
where
they
they
may
no
longer
be
appropriate
to
have
that
zoning
category
in
the
future.
Based
on
all
that
work.
So
that's
definitely
a
part
of
the
conversation
we'll
definitely
be
reaching
out,
as
we
begin
that
work
here
very
soon.
Gregory.
A
G
So
that
is
a
great
question
that
I
will
apologize
to
you,
because
we
only
have
a
couple
Gathering
Place,
it's
sort
of
almost
like
a
legacy.
Zoning
District
I
am
not
overly
familiar
with
since
I've
gotten.
Here
we
haven't
really
done
anything
with
Gathering
Place
I
do
see
a
couple
members
of
my
team
on
I'm,
not
sure
if
any
of
them
want
to
jump
in
and
help
answer
that
or
I
can
get
with
Christopher
Morgan
and
just
follow
up
and
I
can
and
get
you
a
response
on
that.
C
C
D
D
D
You
are
going
to
let
the
investor
worlds
know
that
West
Ashley
is
closed
for
business.
This.
This
would
really
scare
away
investors
ever
since
you
all
started
discussing
this.
This
past
Tuesday
folks
are
really
worried
about
this,
and
the
way
North
Charleston
is
growing.
Folks
are
going
to
remove
their
potential
investments
from
West
Ashley
to
North,
Charleston
and
Sam
Rittenberg
Savannah
highway.
Those
areas
never
get
revitalized
because
of
doing
things
like
modifying
by
right.
We
can
look
at
different
processes
to
have
more
Community
input.
D
Those
are
easily
done,
but
when
you
start
messing
with
density,
it's
really
going
to
impact
the
investor.
Community
and
gonna
it'll
have
negative
impacts.
I
mean
the
Ashley
Landing
investment,
that's
over
150
million
dollars
that
could
potentially
be
impacted
by
this,
and
that
Tiff
will
help
pay
pursue
March
stream.
You
know
these
things
they
they
all
add
up
and
anything
to
modify
by
rice
is
really
going
to
have
a
negative
impact
on
mixed
use,
development
and
any
opportunity
to
address
affordability.
D
The
the
two
SEC
biggest
segments
of
buyers
that
we
have
are
millennials
and
retirees
and
they
both
want
the
same
thing
which
are
dense,
walkable
communities,
Ashley
Landing,
it
already
has
a
brewery.
It's
got
a
Starbucks.
You
know
that
is
a
prime
example
of
the
mixed-use
development
that
Mr
Summerfield
was
talking
about.
So
I
would
just
strongly
urge
against
moving
towards
any
modification
to
buy
right
or
downrunning,
or
the
residential
uses.
J
G
So
Mr
chairman,
one
of
my
staff
members,
did
send
me
a
text
on
that.
Apparently
one
of
the
biggest
issues
with
Gathering
Place
was
it
had
much
more
detailed
design
standards
as
a
part
of
the
zoning
code,
which
made
it
a
very
difficult
District
to
do
anything
with
I'm,
not
sure.
If
that's
what
councilman
Gregory
was
alluding
to
when
he
said
it
became
a
bad
word.
A
H
Thank
you,
Mr
solo,
you
about
got
it
in
in
a
nutshell:
the
it
was
too
dense.
It
required
some
aspects
that
the
developers
didn't
want
as
a
matter
of
fact,
Ms
Parker
when
you
come
over
on
James
Island
and
make
a
right
on
Maybank
and
pass
the
what
used
to
be
the
Piggly
Wiggly
I.
Guess
it's
a
Harris
Teeter!
Now
all
the
apartments
on
your
left
hand,
side
I,
think
that
was
one
of
the
first
gathering
places
that
we've
done
and
the
standard.
That's
the
name
of
the
standard
yeah.
H
Anyway,
yeah
it
really
developed
a
bad
word
name,
and
but
let
me
that's
that's
not
why
I
want
to
be
recognized,
but
you
pretty
much
got
it
on
on
the
nail
head:
Mr
Summerfield,
so
I
was
gathering
places
back
to
Mr,
Dix
and
we're
all
in
this
together.
But
let's,
let's
take
that
150
million
dollar
investment
at
you.
I
H
Ashley
town
landing,
one
of
the
reasons
you
need
more
public
input
on
something
like
that.
The
proposal
now
I
believe
278
units
and
the
major
Ingress
in
egress
will
be
on
Sumo
Street,
which
so
you're
gonna
put
about
500
cars
or
more
potentially,
on
Sumo
Street,
which
is
one
block
long
and
it
doesn't
matter
which
direction
you
go,
there's
no
signalization.
So
now
there
is
no
red
light
when
you
need
to
make
a
left
turn
on
Old,
Town
Road,
or
no
no
intersection
to
try.
H
But
you
don't
have
a
red
light
to
Aid
and
making
left
turns.
In
most
cases,
people
can
make
a
right
turn,
but
as
density
picks
up,
these
areas
are
already
well
traveled.
When
you
put
that
many
units
in
the
area-
and
you
don't,
you
don't
consider
ease
of
Ingress
egress,
it
doesn't
bode
well
for
the
community
everybody's
inconvenient.
H
I
H
The
case
I
mean
we
all
remember
when
Mount
Pleasant
was
a
farm
bompton,
you
know,
North
Charleston
certainly
was
industrial
and
in
some
cases,
still
is
in
certain
parts,
so
I
mean
that
ebb
and
flow
of
development
is
coming
back
and
forth.
The
part
that
is
distasteful
for
all
of
us
who
represent
others
in
the
case
of
elected
officials
is
people
want
to
have
a
say
so
in
the
buy
right
eliminates,
say
so
and
all
the
time
say
so
in
that
bed.
H
H
Apartments
yeah,
they
were
against
a
number
of
units.
Some
were
against
the
fact
that
it
didn't
have
it
didn't
frame
a
street.
Let's
call
it
and
step
back
and
have
sidewalk
Downing,
and
some
of
those
things
like
that,
so
basically
putting
in
a
big
box
with
units,
so
the
input
I
would
agree
is
difficult,
but
if
West
Ashley
is
going
to
be
revitalized
only
because
the
public
has
very
little
say
so,
I
think
we're
going
to
end
up
with
results
that
are
going
to
be
less
than
less
than
outstanding.
H
I
H
D
Yes,
sir
and
I
appreciate
that
and
Mr
Waring
I
I
totally
understand
where
you're
coming
from
and
and
I
can
tell.
You
I
had
the
conversation
with
the
that
developer
today
and
they
want
to
do
that.
Public
input
process,
they're
they'll,
be
in
town
next
week
to
have
those
conversations.
So
we
can
do
that
without
eliminating
by
right.
We
do
it
in
Berkeley
County
there.
There
are
ways
to
do
it
without
eliminating
by
right
and
I'm
happy
to
work
on
it.
So.
C
C
All
right,
thank
you.
My
thing
is
that
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
make
excuse
me
make
sure
that
we
do
as
many
affordable
housing
as
we
possibly
can.
That's
my
main
objective
on
this.
All
this
affordable
housing.
You
know
I
tell
them
I've
been
here,
most
I,
think
councilman.
Gregory
knows
it's
kind
of
in
the
midst
of
probably
three
all
this
going
on
here.
C
I
guess,
but
I've
been
here
a
long
time
and
seen
how
people
have
have
to
leave
the
City
of
Charleston
and
cannot
afford
to
stay
in
the
city
of
Charleston
cannot
live
here
and
be
on
affordable
housing.
To
me,
we
didn't
do
a
good
job
so
far
as
I'm
concerned
I
know
things
have
changed
a
whole
lot,
but
then
we're
going
to
have
to
try
to
put
things
some
things
in
place
and
demand
that
people
do
affordable
housing
period.
I
mean
you
want
to
come
in
the
City
of
Charleston
we
got
to
be.
C
C
But
they
can't
stay
here,
they're
coming
in
from
Summerville
they're,
coming
in
from
Latson
they're
bringing
the
traffic
in
we're
talking
about
traffic
too,
but
they
have
to
live
somewhere,
but
they
have
to
work
here
and
the
money
that
they're
making
is
gone
because
you
know
the
salary
that
they're
making
is
not
that
great.
So
my
thing
is
trying
to
find
a
mechanism
that
we
can
really
come
up
with
some
truly
affordable
housing,
and
we
have
to
put
some
things
in
place
and
I.
C
Think
we
as
council
members
and
me
as
the
Community
Development
and
the
mayor
I-
think
we're
gonna
have
to
find
some
other
solution
that
we
can
push
these
things
and
get
it
through.
Even
with
the
planning
department,
we're
gonna
have
to
find
some
other
mechanism
how
we
can
do
it,
I,
don't
know,
but
we
have
to
find
a
way
that
we
can
create
this
thing,
because
we
cannot
rely
on
government.
C
We
cannot
rely
on
the
Department
of
Housing
Urban
Development,
like
we
used
to
those
things,
are
changing
big
time
all
this
Section
8
program
that's
going
to
go
by
the
wayside
pretty
soon,
so
we
as
a
city,
if
a
person
living
here
and
born
and
raised
here
and
help
build
the
city
and
cannot
live
here.
That's
the
chances
to
me.
So
that's
what
I'm
saying
with
affordability,
affordable
housing
that
we
need
to
create
some
are
truly
affordable.
C
C
G
H
I
do
have
I,
do
have
a
question
Mr
it's
more
of
a
question:
I
guess
for
legal,
getting
back
to
Mr
Mr
Mayor
as
well
as
your
comment
about
affordable
housing.
At
what
point
in
time
does
the
whole
body
alone
home
rule
comes
into
play?
You're
right,
Mr,
mid
the
state.
The
state
blocks
us
from
inclusion
Arizona
at
what
point
in
time?
Is
it
worth
using
home
rule
and
actually
going
all
the
way
to
a
state
supreme
court
on
that
on
water?
H
Now,
that's
just
not
the
case
and
when
you
look
at
the
people
that
literally
make
this
city
go
police
fire,
sanitation,
you
know
our
staff
executive
staff
Etc,
they
don't
even
live
on
the
peninsula.
I,
don't
know
Mr
Miller.
We
even
have
an
employee
that
works
in
City
Hall
that
actually
lives
on
the
peninsula
that
we
may
have
one.
But
let's
put
like
this,
it
doesn't
take
long
to
call
the
room
and
and
you're
right.
H
We
don't
do
anything
we'll
have
it
used
to
be
people
would
move
West,
Ashley
or
move
to
North
Charleston,
but
I
gotta
tell
you
they
moving
further
out,
because
when
I
looked
at
the
census
numbers,
even
in
North
Charleston
in
particular
African-Americans
it
used
to
be
well.
The
numbers
go
down
on
the
peninsula
and
the
increase
in
North
Charleston.
That's
not
the
case.
It
actually
decreased
in
North
Charleston
in
the
last
census
as
well.
H
So
that
means
people
moving
further
out
anyway,
and
it
got
to
the
point
now
that
we're
affordable
housing
doesn't
have
a
pigmentation
to
it.
They
never
come
into
it.
It's
strictly
income,
so
I
think
it's
worth
looking
at
the
body
of
law,
because
you're
right
we're
not
getting
it
through
the
general
assembly.
B
B
Okay,
so
I
think
we
got
to
figure
this
out
and
and
and
mayor
Riley
and
former
Council
of
of
Charleston
back
in
2006
I
believe
it
was
came
up
with
a
great
idea
of
the
MU
mixed-use
zoning
and
what
we're
talking
about
basically
in
is
mixed-use
development
right,
a
combination
of
business,
retail
and
residential
all
together.
So
in
a
way
this,
this
isn't.
B
This
discussion
is,
is
really
similar
to
our
mu
zoning
and
in
these
areas
and,
as
we
all
know,
since
it's
a
voluntary
zoning,
we're
able
to
put
the
requirement
of
affordability
and
now
a
combination
with
fee
and
Lou
on
those
developments.
So
I
want
to
challenge
our
planning
staff,
our
legal
staff
and
Mr
Dix
here
today
that
buy
the
next
Community
Development.
B
If
it,
if
it's
not
reducing,
buy
right
and
adding
a
voluntary
zoning,
tell
me
an
idea
that
would
allow
our
limited
business
and
general
business
zonings
with
19
units
per
acre
allowed
now
and
24
units
acre
allowed.
Now,
how
is
it
tell
me
please?
How
can
we
require
some
portion
of
those
units
to
be
affordable?