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City of Charleston Community Development 1/19/23
A
A
B
D
B
B
B
B
B
G
Some
fine
print
regarding
I
think
there's
a
something
in
there
about
addressing
the
law,
occupancy
calculations
and
setback
requirements
as
IT
addresses
something
with
compliance
with
the
accessibility
regulations.
But
essentially
this
is
again
just
another
attempt
to
to
loosen
the
zoning
regulations
a
little
bit
not
going
crazy
just
so
that
we
can
have
opportunity
to
be
more
accommodating
for
getting
more
affordable
units
and
again
I.
Don't
know
if
miss
stuber
or
Mr
Morgan
have
anything
else.
To
add
to
that.
H
I'll
just
add
the
additional
Provisions
have
an
expansion
of
existing
conditional
Provisions
in
the
zoning
ordinance
that
have
worked
really
well.
There
are
some
instances
now
where
these
same
Provisions
could
assist
with
some
larger
lot
properties
and
the
ordinance
wasn't
written
for
that
originally.
So
it's
just
expanding
to
accommodate
that.
B
I
You
Mr
chairman,
so
can
I
have
two
questions
so
I
mean.
Obviously
this
is
sort
of
a
standard
move
to
create
more.
It
just
seems
like
I
mean
I,
think
it's.
What
does
this
say?
Total
number
of
bedrooms
on
the
latch
show
not
exceed
12
and
now
we're
going
to
22
is
that
standard
or
that
I
mean
it
seems
like
a
lot
but
again,
affordable
housing.
Isn't
this
is
really
my
realm.
So
if
someone
can
just
break
that
down
for
me
and
then
my
second
question
I've
asked
this
at
a
previous
meeting.
I
H
Sure
yeah,
so
the
22
units
or
sorry
22
bedrooms
is
only
allowed
for
certain
lot
size,
so
you're,
seeing
that
increase
in
number
because
we're
basically
accommodating
larger
Lots
accommodating
larger
Lots.
So
this
would
only
apply
to
fairly
small
Lots
previously,
but
that
ratio
of
bedrooms
to
lot
size
is
pretty
consistent.
H
The
batchelder
zoning
Administration
would
be
able
to
administrator
would
be
able
to
say
more
about
how
he
calculated
that,
but
the
ratio
of
bedrooms
to
lot
area
isn't
really
changing
across
that
we're
just
accommodating
larger
lots
to
be
able
to
utilize
this
ordinance.
So
hopefully
that
answers
your
first
question.
Yes,.
E
F
And
councilwoman
Parker
for
the
purposes
of
understanding
the
area
meeting,
income
at
120
percent
of
Ami
and
and
I
guess,
we
should
start
with
where
the
area
median
income
is,
if
you
looked
at
a
hundred
percent
with
a
household
of
four,
which
is
your
average
you're
looking
at
a
household
annual
income
of
ninety
one
thousand
eight
hundred
dollars.
So
if
you're
talking
someone
at
120
percent
of
the
area,
median
income,
that's
a
hundred
and
ten
thousand
one
hundred
and
sixty
dollars
in
annual
income
and
I'm
glad
to
share
this
chart
for
2022-23
with
you.
B
E
I
Thank
you
and
sorry,
one
last
question
about
the
e:
the
parking
units,
the
parking
spots.
Okay,
the
one
parking
space
for
each
four
dwelling
units
I
mean
I.
Just
wonder
where
are
do?
We
have
specific
lots
that
you're
focusing
on
especially
with
this
ordinance?
You
know
is
that
why
this
came
about
or
I'm
just
wondering
where
are
the
additional
where's,
the
additional
parking.
G
So
if
you
in
that
table
you're
going
to
see
that
there
are
specific
zoning
designations
where
this
is
applicable,
so
this
would
be
our
dr1
dr1f,
lb,
L1,
dr2,
dr2f
and
GB
zones
only
so
this
is
limited
to
just
those
zoning
districts
and
Chloe
can
maybe
provide
a
little
bit
more
context
of
where
we
generally
see
those
zoning
districts
but
again
in
affordable
housing.
We
typically
because
parking
can
be
an
extremely
expensive
sunk
cost
for
housing
development.
We
generally
try
to
be
as
lenient
on
a
parking
standard
as
possible.
G
Obviously
a
developer,
though,
is
going
to
know
their
who
they're
going
to
be
selling
or
renting
to,
and
so
they
they
should
build.
If
they
feel
like
they
need
more
parking,
then
they
should
be
prepared
to
accommodate
that
additional
parking.
The
standard,
though,
gives
the
maximum
amount
of
flexibility
to
accommodate
that,
and
then,
as
you
know,
council
member
you
know,
Charleston
is
known
for
the
ability
for
folks
to
park
in
the
neighborhood
and
not
necessarily
always
Park
on
their
on
their
lot.
I
G
J
E
B
L
F
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
councilmember
Mitchell
and
members
of
the
city
committee,
so
this
resolution
is
requesting
that
the
legislator
increased
the
amount
of
low-income
housing
tax
credits
that
are
available
in
the
state
of
South
Carolina
to
those
developing
affordable
housing.
As
you
all
may
recall,
we
put
a
resolution
forth
earlier
this
year
and
requesting
that
state
housing
and
the
governor's
office
amend
certain
components
of
the
qualified
allocation
plan,
which
is
the
plan
that
governs
how
tax
credits
are
used.
F
This
is
simply
asking
the
state
legislator
to
increase
the
availability
of
low-income
housing
tax
credits
in
our
community.
As
you
all
may
recall,
the
state
housing
tax
credits
enable
and
have
enabled
more
than
50
000
units
to
be
constructed
in
our
community
and
literally
this
serves
persons
who
earn
as
little
as
30
percent
of
the
area
median
income
and
when
you
are
in
certain
brackets
up
to
80
percent
when
you're
utilizing
the
income
averaging
formula
and
quite
honestly
it
is
just
as
it
is
right
now.
It
is
not
enough.
F
Their
projects
are
in
limbo
and
or
they're
having
to
seek
alternative
funding
sources
in
order
to
make
their
projects
viable
and
literally
it's
time
for
the
state
legislator
to
really
take
a
look
at
how
impactful
housing
is
to
the
economy
and
how
it
how
important
it
is
for
us
to
attract
industry
and
ensure
that
our
residents
have
proper
housing,
and
so
we're
asking
your
support
of
this,
because
the
cost
of
housing
has
gone
up
and
we
need
housing
in
our
community.
Thank
you.
B
Yes,
we
do.
This
was
something
we
were
talking
about
for
years
and
I.
Think
it's
I'm
happy
to
see
that
you're
trying
to
be
going
to
send
something
to
the
state
asking
them
to
do
something
about
it.
Do
anyone
have
any
questions?
Yeah,
okay,
okay,
let
me
get
councilman
sacrum,
councilman,
Gregory
and
I'll.
Come
back
to
you.
L
Thank
you,
chairman
I,
certainly
support
any
any
effort
to
try
to
bring
Gianna
and
her
team
and
the
city
more
money
and,
and
the
reason
I
mentioned
this
I'm
certainly
supportive
of
this.
But
when
you
think
about
our
conversation,
last
Council
regarding
our
lobbyists
and
what
they
do,
this
to
me
is
a
very
clear
portfolio
of
work
for
them.
Yes,
I'm,
certainly
not
going
up
to
Colombia
to
make
the
pitch
and
I,
don't
think
any
of
us.
L
A
L
F
Mitchell
and
I'll
just
add:
our
lobbyists
have
been
critical
for
us
in
this
realm
meeting,
with
key
legislators
in
South
Carolina
China
on
some
of
the
projects
and
concerns
that
we've
had.
They
have
been
literally
at
the
table,
helping
us
facilitate
conversations
and
movements
and
movement
relative
to
this.
To
this
need.
Thank.
E
For
instance,
Council
I
mean
Senator
kimson
kimson.
We
all
need
to
reach
out
to
him
and
the
other
senators
of
Representatives
that
are
representing
this.
So
in
addition
to
our
lobbyists,
I
do
think
that,
as
council
members,
we
also
have
a
responsibility
to
to
talk
to
Leon
and
to
talk
to
all
of
our
Senators
to
let
them
know
that
you
know,
as
a
council
we're
fully
supporting
it
and
I
think
it
also
helps
them,
as
they
argue
on
our
behalf.
E
F
If
that
rule
had
been
in
place
say
last
year,
James
Lewis,
Junior
Apartments
could
not
receive
funding,
because
Archer
would
have
received
funding,
so
any
development
within
a
mile
of
each
other.
In
this
more
recent
qap
could
not
be
within
a
mile
of
each
other,
and
so
we
did
ask
them
to
strike
that.
We
also
asked
them
to
to
strike
the
language
relative
to
any
properties
considered
brownfields
being
utilized
as
sites
for
affordable
housing.
F
We
know
that
there
is
technology
and
Industry
standards
that
allow
us
to
literally
utilize
what
we
would
consider
brownfields
properties
for
affordable
housing
if
they
are
constructed
in
a
particular
way,
and
so
because
we
felt
that
those
two
items
in
particular
were
restrictive
to
Urban
Development.
We
asked
them
to
remove
those
okay.
I
Okay,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman,
all
right,
I
know
Amy's
not
on
this
call,
but
I'm
sure
miss
Johnson.
Maybe
you
can
answer
this
question
so
currently
the
20
million
dollars
worth
of
tax
credits.
We
get
those
20
million
as
the
City
of
Charleston
as
our
municipality
or
it's
spread
throughout
the
state.
It's
spread
throughout
okay.
So
what
do
we
receive
right
now?
Do
you
know?
So
it
is
a
competitive.
F
Process
and
it
varies
based
on
every
project
or
on
the
projects
that
are
submitted,
but
I
would
say
every
low-line,
affordable,
housing
project
I
think
the
overall
development
cost
there
was
around
22
million,
probably
about
10
million
of
that
8
to
10
million
of
that
was
from
tax
credit
financing,
and
so
it
plays
a
large
part
in
the
developments
that
we
want
to
see
in
Charleston.
I
can
certainly
bring
to
council
the
allocation
for
each
of
the
more
recent
projects
next
week.
F
I
B
C
D
C
Be
crazy
whoa.
This
is
this
is
going
from
20
to
40
million
dollars
in
the
state
right
I
mean
so
this
ain't.
That
much
40
is
not
even
that
much
to
be
honest
with
you,
and
but
so
so,
just
to
kind
of
put
that
in
perspective
and-
and
you
know
the
shorthand
explanation
for
what
this
money
does
in
its
in
its
role
is,
you
know,
affordable
housing
is
not
economical
most
of
the
time
to
developers.
C
This
is
the
money
that
fills
that
Gap
to
make
these
deals
pencil
and
it's
that
secret
sauce
to
make
these
deals
work.
So
that's
what
this
money
is
used
for,
but
you
know
we're
talking
about
politics
now
we're
talking
about
asking
the
general
assembly
to
do
something.
I
just
want
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
context
to
this
and
kind
of
what's
going
on
up
in
Columbia,
I
am
involved
right
now
in
litigation
throughout
the
state
of
South,
Carolina
and
other
governments.
C
Where
projects
low-income
housing,
tax,
credit
projects
were
met
with
violent,
violent
political,
negative
reactions
across
the
state
and
there's
now
a
growing
sense
that
this
program
is
why
these
projects
are
able
to
happen.
That's
why
there's
a
lot
of
scrutiny
in
Colombia
over
this
and
things
of
that
nature,
so
you.
F
C
C
The
state
don't
want
to
do
this
or
they
don't
want
to
get
involved
in.
You
know:
affordable
housing
that
that's
for
them
to
decide,
but
I
think,
as
this
agenda
makes
clear,
the
City
of
Charleston
has
a
policy
supportive
of
affordable
housing.
We
want
to
get
it,
however,
we
can
do
it,
and
so,
if,
if
certain
parts
of
the
state
don't
want
it
we're
happy
to
take
a
bigger
piece
of
the
pizza,
we
need
affordable
housing
in
this
area.
C
You
know,
eyes
open
as
as
we
engage
in
this,
and
you
know
we
have
jurisdictions
not
very
far
from
the
city
of
Charleston,
that
are
absolutely
inimical
to
affordable
housing
and
you
need
to
stretch
the
imagination
and
I'm
sitting
in
one
of
them
right
now.
If
you
know
where
my
office
is,
you
know,
so
the
City
of
Charleston
needs
to
lead
the
way
on
this.
C
C
We
need
to
be
talking
to
our
Republican
delegation
as
well
that
they're
in
charge
in
Colombia,
although
we've
got
some
very
influential
Democrats
up
in
the
State
House
Senator
kimson
and
representative
savardakis,
but
we
need
to
explain
how
this
is
pro-business,
because
it
is
pro-business.
We
need
to
talk
about
how
this
helps
expand
opportunities
for
police,
firefighters,
things
of
that
nature,
that's
the
kind
of
messaging.
We
need
to
be
signaling
when
we
have
these
conversations
with
our
elected
officials
and
our
constituents,
so
we
can
build
support
for
this
important
policy.
Thank
you.
C
E
E
D
B
Eyes
have
it
so
we'll
sign
that
up
and
and
I
agree
with
everyone.
We
have
been
said
that
we
can
need
to
contact
our
legislator,
State
Legislative
on
both
sides
and
just
tell
them
the
seriousness
of
what
we
are
trying
to
do
here
in
the
City
of
Charleston,
which
we'll
need
it
and
also
as
a
councilman
circumstated.
We
will
always
contact
our
obviously
we're
still
doing
a
good
job
up
there,
since
I've
been
on
here,
so
we'll
still
be
pushing
they're
still
fighting
all
the
time
you
know.
J
One
last
thing,
I
think,
obviously
all
I
hear
I'm
agree
with
we've
got
an
ally
in
town.
It
has
a
very
strong
relationship
with
the
speaker
of
the
house,
Mr
Merrell
and
it's
oh,
my
God
Helen
Hill
Helen
Hill
has
an
extremely
good
relationship
just
to
piggyback
on
what
councilmember
bell
was
saying
about.
J
J
The
people
that
the
essential
workers
and
tours
number
one
tourism
is
the
number
one
industry
in
the
state
of
South
Carolina
generates
more
money
than
State
Police
Authority
generates
more
money
than
all
the
military
bases
combined,
so
tourism,
followed
by
State,
Police
Authority,
followed
by
the
federal
payroll,
is
the
lodge
income
produces
to
the
state
and
obviously
housing
for
people
who
work
in
the
tourism
industry
is
essential.
So
when
we
talk
about
our
delegation,
we
talk
about
our
lobbyists.
J
J
B
B
But
we're
going
to
ask,
we
can
ask
them,
you
know
we
can
have
someone
to
reach
out
to
them
to
ask
them
if
they
would
write
a
letter
to
the
to
go
along
with
with
the
resolution
that
we
are
doing
and
see.
If
that
can
you
know,
we
need
all
the
help.
We
can
that's
what
I'm
saying.
So
if
that
can
be
done,
we
can
try
those
things
too.
I,
don't
I
think
anything
but
would
help
I.
J
B
So
we
so
I
would
I'm
asking
the
staff
to
contact
the
mayor
and
let
the
mayor
know
what's
what's
transpiring
here
at
the
community
development
meeting,
okay
and
ask
him
so
far
with
these
letters
that
if
we
can
have
these
layers
attached
to
our
resolution,
going
up
there
and
I
think
this
might
play
a
big
part
with
the
support
that
we
need
to
have
more
strength
and
more
teeth
to
the
resolution
that
we
have.
Thank
you
so
I
don't
know.
If
Ms
Johnson
would
be
doing
that
whomever.
B
B
J
J
B
E
I
B
I
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
so
there
are
a
lot
I
mean
I
can
and
I'll
explain
my
vote.
I
mean
there
are
reading
the
law.
I
mean
this
a
tax
and
H
Tax.
If
we're
taking
it
away,
you
know
there
are
other
things
that
can
be
you.
This
can
be
used
for
as
I'm
reading
I
mean
even
Street.
Maintenance
I
mean
anything
that
goes
towards.
You
know,
tourism
related,
and
some
of
that
is
is
could
be.
You
know,
Street
Maintenance,
so
I
know
Amy's
not
here
again,
but
we.
I
E
I
mean
as
as
chairman
of
chairman
of
atax,
just
for
clarification
and
I'm,
not
talking
necessarily
on
the
grant
size,
but
but
we
do
use
atax
and
Hospitality
money
for
supporting
tourists,
act,
type
activities
but
I
think
we're
we're
going
with
with
little
three
is
just
as
streets,
safety,
etc,
etc.
Support
tourism
without
having
affordability.
Okay,
such
as
your
servers,
all
the
folks
that
worked
in
the
and
the
various
businesses
in
the
city
that
support
tourism
also.
L
You
chair
and
councilman
Parker
I
respect
your
vote.
I
get
it
I
understand.
I
I
just
want
to
give
it
an
alternate
perspective
on
this.
If
you
talk
to
restaurant
owners
downtown-
and
you
ask
them
some
of
the
challenges
they're
experiencing
all
those
things
you've
mentioned-
I
hear
it
all
the
time
man
we
pay.
This
atex
Hospitality
tax,
my
streets
are:
are
bad.
No
one's
picking
up
a
sidewalk
all
host
a
bevy
of
issues,
but
what
comes
to
the
top
of
that
is
I,
don't
have
staff
to
work
in
my
restaurant.
L
L
So
to
me,
the
the
housing
and
Staffing
issue
is
is
the
biggest
piece
that
we
have
to
really
try
to
tackle
and
you're
correct
I
mean
those
other
issues
are
certainly
expressed
by
business
owners
that
they
want
that
money
to
be
used
for,
but
when
you
ask
restaurant
owners,
particularly
on
the
peninsula,
what's
the
biggest
issue
right
now,
it's
Staffing,
so
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
with
you.
I
respect
that
vote
and
I
understand
that
money
should
be
going
in
other
places,
but
that's
a
priority
for
for
restaurant
owners.
L
C
C
Too
housing-
this
is
just
again
another
one
of
many
tools
in
the
tool
kit,
so
the
city
has
flexibility
to
attack
this
issue
on
all
fronts,
because
it
is
an
enormous
issue.
We've
got
a
comp
plan
that
says
we
need
10
000
plus
units
over
the
next
10
years,
or
so
we
need
to
get
going
on
that
and
we're
not
going
to
meet
that
goal
on
the
current
track.
We're
on
with
the
current
schools
that
we
have.
C
You
know
the
legislature
in
South
Carolina
sets
the
rules
for
accommodations
and
Hospitality
taxes.
They
say
in
Colombia
what
the
money
can
and
can't
be
used
for.
Some
of
the
money
goes.
That's
generated
from
hospitality
and
tourism
here
goes
to
Colombia
so
that
they
can
spread
the
money
money
around
and
redistribute
the
wealth
to
poor
counties
that
don't
have
anything
going
for
them.
So
a
lot
of
that
money
that
we're
generating
here
goes
to,
like
you
know,
you
know
the
backwaters
of
South
Carolina,
you
know
for
for
who
knows
what.
C
Going
so
I
think
that
this
this
ought
to
be
done,
and
hopefully
the
legislature
can
give
us
a
little
bit
more
flexibility
to
spend
money
on
as
the
city
sees
fit
with
money.
That's
generated
here
in
the
city
for
us
to
use
I
think
it
would
be
very
consistent
with
home
rule
and
not
being
governed
by
Colombia
by
a
bunch
of
people
that
have
nothing
to
do
with
the
City
of
Charleston.
Thanks.
Thank.
B
You
councilman
that's
exactly
what
I
I
was
going
to
say
and
I
agree
with
who
Hartley
would
do
because
we
talked.
We
talk
a
lot
about
affordable
housing
and
that's
something
is
very
there
to
me
because
I
lived
here.
All
my
life
I
mean
I
left
here,
you
know,
like
I,
said,
went
to
New
York
and
went
and
stayed
up
there
17
years,
but
this
is
my
home.
I
live
here,
always
born
and
raised
here,
but
you'll
find
many
people,
even
my
kids
and
some
of
you
all
kid.
B
The
kids
that
you
all
have
cannot
stay
here
because
of
affordability
and
that's
a
shame.
You
know
why
should
I
have
to
move
somewhere
else
and
go
somewhere
else,
because
I
can't
live
in
the
place
that
I
was
born
and
raised,
so
any
money
that
we
can
generate
from
wherever
the
case
may
be.
We
need
to
do
it
and
the
state
governs
all
this,
because
this
is
a
type
on
the
home
rules.
This
is
what
it
is.
So
we
are
asking
them
now.
B
B
E
C
E
E
D
F
G
B
G
Good
afternoon,
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
so
this
is
kind
of
an
existing
program
of
work
that
we've
been
doing
between
the
planning
department
and
the
housing
department
in
a
collaborative
fashion.
We've
we've
had
one
of
our
senior
planners.
That's
worked
extensively
on
kind
of
creating
the
the
program
and
bringing
together
some.
G
For
this
year
we
will
be
bringing
on
a
full-time,
City
staff
member
who
will
work
on
this,
because
this
has
been
Chloe's
kind
of
night
job
her
day
job
as
a
senior
planner
and
she's
got
a
she's
got
a
couple
big
projects
that
she
will
be
working
on
in
the
coming
year.
So
it's
very
tremendous
for
the
city
for
the
Department
for
this
process
that
we'll
be
able
to
have
a
full-time
staff.
G
Member
actually
engage
in
this
as
their
full-time
job
later
this
year,
when
we're
able
to
fill
that
position
with
that,
I
would
like
to
give
Chloe
just
a
few
minutes
to
kind
of
talk
about
the
work
that's
been
going
on
in
that
concierge
program
and
some
of
the
projects
that
we've
been
able
to
to
help
with
that.
If,
if
you,
if
that's
okay,
Mr
chairman
okay,.
H
The
concierge
serving
as
a
single
point
of
contact
for
affordable
housing
developers-
these
can
be
you
know,
multi-family
developers.
This
could
also
be
a
single
property
owner
who's,
just
looking
to
create
affordable
housing
on
on
their
property,
and
my
role
has
been
to
help
them
navigate
our
development
review
process
from
acquisition
stage
through
planning
to
the
permit
Center
we've
assembled
an
affordable
housing
work
Group,
which
is
includes
multi-disciplinary
team
from
across
boards
and
divisions
and
departments.
To
look
at
how
we
can
streamline
these
processes.
H
We
have
fee
waivers
in
place,
application
fee
waivers
and
the
planning
department
down
the
permit,
Center
and
we've
been
working
in
our
systems
for
our
plan
case
and
sort
of
the
software
that
we
use
to
track
all
of
these
applications
and
Records
in
in
identifying
affordable
housing
projects
in
that
system.
So
that
can
improve
communication
across
departments
and
divisions
and
Technical
Review
Committee
has
been
sort
of
at
the
front
of
creating
different
protocols
for
affordable
housing
projects
that
meet
criteria
and
are
eligible
for
priority
reviews.
H
So
they
have
17
day
review
periods
across
the
board,
which
is
shorter
than
a
market
rate
project
would
receive.
They
get
red
flag,
follow-up
meetings
so
in
between
extra
TRC
meetings
to
help
them
troubleshoot
problems
and
avoid
having
to
come
back
multiple
times
to
TRC.
So
these
are
some
of
the
initiatives
that
have
been
put
into
place
and
we're
looking
to
expand
on
those.
And
you
know,
as
these
advantages
increase
and
become,
you
know,
turn
into
real
cost
savings.
K
E
E
E
D
L
Up,
okay,
thank
you,
chairman
and
thank
you.
Patrick
I
was
going
to
wait
to
the
end,
but
I
feel
like
today's
meeting
has
all
been
about
affordable
housing
and
what
we
can
do
to
to
improve.
What
I
see
is
like
three
areas:
one.
We
spent
a
lot
of
time,
often
on
the
supply
side
and
what
we
can
do
to
to
increase
the
supply
and
Chloe.
L
This
is
very
encouraging
to
hear
that
you're
all
thinking
about
this
affordable
housing
group
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
called
a
task
force
or
what
it
is
or
what
their
charge
would
be.
But
it
sounds
to
me
that
this
is
solely
focused
on
projects
that
are
that
are
notated.
As
wishing
to
be
part
of
that,
because
they
are
delivering
on
some
sort
of
affordable
housing
units
correct.
H
G
Important
to
note
that
not
all
those
projects
are
ones
that
Gianna's
team
have
money
in
this
program
is
open
to
anyone.
That's
doing
an
affordable
housing
project
that
meets
the
the
criteria
for
or
priority
status,
so,
whether
you're
something
that's
being
funded
with
any
City
funds
or
state
funds,
or
if
your
Habitat
for
Humanity
and
you're
working
purely
from
charitable
donations.
G
G
H
Already
doing
we're
already
doing
this,
but
we're
hoping
to
scale
it
up,
okay
and
increase
the
amount
of
right
now.
Trc
is
really
the
only
committee
that
has
a
expedited
review
type
protocol
in
place,
so
we're
looking
to
expand
on
protocols
like
that
across
our
boards
and
committees
involved
in
the
review
process.
So.
G
For
for
this
with
the
new
full-time
staff
member,
who
that's
their
responsibility
to
manage
it
and
work
the
concierge
program,
they
will
be
more
proactive
and
Publishing
and
making
sure
that
the
development
community,
and
specifically
those
that
are
working
in
this
space,
know
that
this
is
a
service
that
the
City
offers
and
that
we
can
provide
them
the
additional
guidance,
because
I
think
you
hit
a
nail
on
the
head.
You
know
some
councilman
Gregory,
you
know
the
big
Market
players,
they
have
a
team
that
knows
the
ins
and
outs
of
our
development
process.
G
They
have
the
extra
bandwidth
to
hire
that
local
consultant
who's
worked
through
our
system
for
the
last
20
years.
You
know
affordable
housing
projects,
particularly
given
the
criteria
that
we
have.
You
know
they
every
cent
I
mean
every
cent
matters
to
everybody,
but
every
cent
really
matters
on
an
affordable
housing
project
and
one
less
consultant
that
they
have
to
hire
and
the
quicker
a
project
can
get
done.
That's
a
significant
savings
to
them
and
potentially
to
the
city
more
projects
that
we
could
potentially
do
and
make
the
our
dollar
stretch
further
as
well.
G
B
G
L
B
L
As
I
understand
it,
this
is
geared
towards
affordable
housing
projects.
My
comments
really
obviously
supply
side
we're
trying
to
to
increase
that.
Obviously,
the
demand
side.
When
we
talk
about
economic
empowerment,
that's
something
that
we
try
to
to
focus
on,
but
you
know
that's
probably
a
tougher
challenge
for
us
on
the
demand
side.
The
third
piece
of
this
that
rarely
gets,
discussed
and
I
think
we're
kind
of
nibbling
on
the
edges.
L
You
know
how
how
how
particularly
interested
in
it
I
am
an
nbar
I
did
not
Pitch.
This
I
did
not
throw
this
out.
I
didn't
throw
him
a
softball.
He
simply
told
me
that
the
VAR
process
has
been
detrimental
to
the
financial
impact
of
this
project
and
I
said
so.
How
much?
What
are
you
talking
about?
He
said
ballpark
about
20
million
dollars
to
this
project
and
I
said
explain
to
me
what
does
that
mean?
L
He
basically
said
that
VAR
thought
that
they
were
absolutely
right
and
his
his
interpretation
was
there's
a
lot
of
right
ways
to
get
to
things,
so
they
eventually
agreed
on
on
a
design,
but
that
back
and
forth
through
covid
and
prices
of
of
materials
increasing
have
increased
his
project
by
about
20
million
dollars.
So
when
we
talk
about
affordable
housing
for
our
city,
I
often
ask
the
question
and
I
know:
fellow
council
members
like
councilman
Appel
and
Council
council
members,
Bowden
and
Brady
and
I
know
councilman,
Gregory
and
I've
had
this
discussion.
L
L
We
are
here
to
make
it
easier
for
developers
to
develop
in
a
responsible,
aesthetically,
pleasing
preservation-minded
way,
but
where,
where
I
see
it
now,
just
like
I
said
north
of
line
street
is
the
pendulum
has
swung
so
far
over
that
it's
become
a
disincentive
for
developers
to
come
here
to
build,
affordable
housing.
So
if
we
had
asked
this
developer
to
build,
affordable
housing
and
built
that
into
the
pro
forma,
the
20
million
dollars
we're
talking
about
20
million
dollars
today
coming
from
the
state,
that's
a
20
million
dollar
project
that
he
had
to
spend
extra.
L
That's
a
lot
of
affordable
housing
units,
so
I'm,
just
letting
you
all
know
that
this
is
something
that
I'm
going
to
talk
about
more
in
my
last
year
on
on
Council
I'm,
going
to
Rally
some
of
my
council
members
to
to
have
a
deeper
discussion
and
if
we
need
to
I
do
feel
like
we
need
to
deep,
deep
dive
and
audit
the
process
of
bar
throughout
the
city.
I
know
it's
not
popular
with
the
preservation
groups,
but
we
have
to
get
the
developers.
L
We
have
to
get
homeowners
and
residents
and
we
have
to
get
some
preservation
groups
at
the
table
to
talk
about
the
process
because
to
me
as
I
see
it
today,
it
is
far
way
too
far
over
on
the
pendulum
when
a
developer.
That
is
a
reputable
developer
that
does
projects
in
Austin
and
Charlotte
and
Atlanta
and
places
all
over
the
country
tells
me
this
is
the
worst
city
to
work
in
I
know
we
all
can
say
well
find
someplace
else
to
go,
but
that
we
have
to
listen
to
them.
L
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
listen
to
to
their
concerns
and
realize
that
it
does
have
a
financial
impact
and
that
Financial
impact
has
a
direct
result
on
the
amount
of
affordable
housing
stock
that
we
have
in
our
city.
So
some
of
this
is
self-induced
and
I.
Don't
really
I'm
not
asking
for
any
answers
today,
but
I
want
to.
L
L
Don't
I
don't
know
Dudley
the
answer,
but
I
do
know
that
we
got
to
get
developers
to
the
table
and
understand
what
the
nuances
are.
When
a
developer
and
someone
to
your
point
earlier
Robert,
you
said
that
you
know
these
folks
can
go
out
and
hire
the
best
and
the
best
and
the
brightest.
This
guy
was
very
well
Adept,
not
he's
not
from
Charleston
he's
he's
a
New
York
engineer
very
well
Adept.
Does
these
projects
all
over
the
country
I
think
he's
well
respected
here?
L
Some
of
it
is
Aesthetics
some
of
it
is
they
get
to
the
they
finally
get
to
the
place,
but
it
takes
six
months
and
then
we've
got
once
a
month
meetings
or
you
know
twice
a
month
meetings.
So
there's
a
delay,
that's
already
built
into
the
system.
That's
that's!
Creating
a
distance
Center
for
these
developers
and
I'm
not
trying
to
put
money
in
the
depockets
of
developers.
What
I'm
saying
is
that
Delta
that
20
million
dollar
cost
that's
a
hell
of
a
lot
of
money
that
could
be
spent
on
affordable
housing.
E
E
I
You
Mr
chairman,
so
again,
not
this
is
sort
of
getting
off
the
affordable
housing
line
a
little
bit,
but
with
the
those
layers
exactly
like
you're
talking
about
councilman
Sacrament
I've
heard
the
same
thing:
I've
had
discussions
with
staff,
but
also
City
projects
I
mean
so
so
a
lot
of
our
city
projects
have
to
go
through
these
processes.
I
mean
right
now,
I'm,
looking
at
a
community
oriented
project
that
still
has
to
go
through
this
lengthy
process,
and
it's
already
you
know
their
projected
date
was
fall.
I
You
know
there
are
some
procurement
things,
but
again
these
items
still
have
to
go
through.
You
know
the
same
process
as
a
lot
of
these.
You
know
you're
talking
a
hundred
million
I
mean
these
projects
are
small
small
projects
under
thirty
thousand
dollars.
I'm
talking
about
so
when
we're
talking
about
that
I
think
City
projects
as
well
need
to
be
sort
of
lumped
into
that.
You
know.
C
Yes,
Mr
chairman
and
council
member
Parker,
you
you
hit
the
nail
on
the
head,
I
mean
not
I
mean
not
only
are
our
rules
and
processes
contributing
to
the
challenges
on
affordable
housing,
it's
contributing
to
the
challenges
of
our
own
projects
to
advance,
affordable
housing
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
it's
a
it's
a
double
whammy
there
and
Jason
I
I,
just
can't
I
mean
I
literally
want
to
like
applaud
what
you
just
said.
C
I
mean
it
was
just
so
right
on
the
money
and
you
know
for
all
the
wonderful
things
that
we're
doing
for
affordable
housing.
Many
of
the
things
that
we've
talked
about
today
on
this
committee
agenda.
We
are
never
going
to
meet
our
goals
as
a
city
alone,
with
these
leveraged
Financial
deals
and
tax
credits
and
things
that
they're
all
important,
they're,
all
great
I'm,
not
trying
to
throw
shade
on
them,
but
until
we
can
truly
activate
the
private
sector
to
make
affordable
housing
profitable.
C
We're
not
going
to
get
the
units
that
we
need
to
solve
our
problems
and
truly
make
progress
on
this
issue,
and
so
it
does
demand
for
us
to
take
a
very
hard
Critical
examination
of
of
how
we
operate
in
the
city
and
and
look
I
mean
Aesthetics
and
historic
preservation.
That
is
what
has
made
Charleston
a
wonderful
amazing
City
that
it
is
so,
let's
not
make
this
debate,
which
I
think
we
really
need
to
have
about
a
fight
between
historic
preservation
and
Aesthetics
and
housing.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
a
conflict.
C
There
are
many
different
ways
that
we
can
ensure
that
every
anything
that's
built
in
this
city,
particularly
on
the
peninsula,
is
first
class
when
it
comes
to
appearance
and
materials,
and
things
of
that
nature
there's
a
lot
of
different
techniques
that
are
out
there
to
reach
that
same
point.
Currently,
we
have
a
model,
that's
a
very
old
model.
It's
a
it's
a
model
that
has
its
origins
in
the
30s
I
mean
we're
the
first
city
in
the
country
to
have
a
bar.
C
We
invented
it
here
in
the
City
of
Charleston
I,
learned
by
the
way
recently
that
our
bar
didn't
actually
have
regulatory
teeth
until
the
60s.
So
for,
like
the
first
30
years
of
the
bar,
it
was
sort
of
just
an
informal
Advisory,
Board
I,
guess
it
operated
sort
of
on
public,
shaming
and
things
of
that
nature.
It
didn't
have
sort
of
regulatory
teeth
and
permits,
and
things
of
that
nature
I
think
that's
fascinating.
C
You
know
a
historic
Relic
on
its
own,
but
you
know
there's
various
different
types
of
zoning
techniques
out
there,
and
these
are
things
we
can
explore
during
our
zoning
rewrite
so,
for
example,
some
jurisdictions
around
the
country,
including
some
very
upscale
high-end
places
around
the
world,
have
what
are
called
form-based
codes
which
basically
build
architectural
scale
massing
materials
things
that
nature
into
the
zoning.
So
it's
much
more
objective
from
a
developer's
perspective
as
to
what
the
expectations
are.
It's
not
just.
C
Let's
spend
half
a
million
dollars,
drawing
up
plans
roll
into
a
meeting
with
the
bar
and
see
what
you
know.
Several
very
well-meaning
awesome
Architects
on
the
bar
have
to
say
about
it.
I
mean
it's
just
subjective,
and-
and
this
is
the
back
and
forth
process
that
that
Jason
was
talking
about,
and
this
is
it
what
we
have
to
recognize.
It
has
a
cost.
It
has
a
drag
our
current
system
right.
C
We
need
to
look
at
ways
that
we
can
achieve
the
historic
preservation
goals,
the
aesthetic
goals,
things
of
that
nature
in
just
a
more
upfront,
clear,
transparent,
frictionless
manner,
it'll,
reduce
costs,
it'll
help
the
supply
side
of
the
housing,
affordability,
problem
and
it'll
I
think
maybe
even
I
hope
it
will
create
better,
looking
more
predictable
buildings,
because
it
won't
just
be
sort
of
this
ad
hoc
process
that
we
essentially
have
currently.
So
what
everything
we've
talked
about
on
this
agenda
today
is
important.
C
It's
valuable,
it's
moving
the
ball
forward,
but
what
Jason
is
talking
about
right
now
and
others
have
talked
about
on
Council
along
these
lines.
This
is
like
the
heart
of
the
matter
right
here
and
that's
a
tough,
complicated,
challenging
discussion
that
we're
going
to
have
to
have
amongst
ourselves
our
constituents
stakeholder
groups,
things
of
that
nature,
but
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
conflict,
a
battle
between
historic
preservation
and
affordable
housing.
I
think
these
things
can
live
together
in
harmony.
J
I
wanted
to
take
you
back
on
Ms,
Parker
and
council
member
Pell,
and
everybody
else
had
to
say:
I've
actually
talked
to
capital
projects
about
having
a
cold
cost,
let's
call
it
60
and
70..
So
when
it's
a
city
project
and
when,
when
1670
is
on
this
particular
project,
it
gets
to
act
on
an
expedited
Trail
Edwin.
Most
a
lot
of
you
all
know
him
oversaw
the
gayat
project.
And
now
it's
been
done.
A
wonderful
job
overseeing
the
I
am
construction
project.
J
I'll
talk,
I,
would
say,
engineer
overseeing
product
projects
for
the
city.
Now
he's
going
to
be
on
that
that
bike
pedestrian
bridge
once
the
IM
is
finished,
his
biggest
headache
is
getting
a
permit
to
start
and
getting
a
certificate
to
occupy
is
because
of
the
red
team.
So
I
think
if
maybe
this
action
step,
or
maybe
we
can
have
a
sit
down
with
some
of
the
Fulton
capital
projects
you
know
about
if
it's
expedited.
What
does
that
mean?
J
But
I
think
that
code
1670
to
let
everybody
in
the
planning
department,
the
stormwater,
Department
building
inspection
department?
It
is
a
city
product
when
we
project
when
we
Slow
it
Up,
we
increase
cost
to
everybody
in
the
city,
all
the
tax
bills
and
I
wanted
to
give
a
shout
out
to
Mr
Summerfield.
J
You
all
have
heard
me
talk
about
a
block,
a
property,
a
big
block
from
on
Sam
Rittenberg
to
Savannah
that
was
in
the
design,
Corridor
board
auspices,
Mr
palacis
was
able
to.
He
had
an
a
building
that
was
built
in
1950.
Our
process,
I'm
gonna,
say
slowed
it
up
for
over
a
year,
some
of
you
injected
himself,
and
he
and
his
team
Mr
Meeks
and
all
here
with
a
board
voted
to
allow
him
to
tear
a
house
down,
is
no
longer
in
a
residential.
J
On
Ms
Parker
on
James
Island,
several
months
six
months
or
so
back
to
allow
development
to
go
forward.
It's
probably
because
well
God
will
be
another
hotel,
that's
going
to
be
built
here,
but
in
the
area
that's
designed
to
handle
it,
but
anyway
that's
rare
tip
that
tip
thing.
We
have
this
talk
from
time
to
time,
but
somehow
we
got
to
get
the
action
steps
to
the
point
to
where
we
reduce
that
red
tape
and
the
willingness
is
antidote.
J
So
thanks
a
lot
thanks,
a
lot
Mr
Summerfield
he
had
talked
about
offering
a
concierge
service
that
something
apparently
they
must
have
had
out
in
Las
Vegas
area.
I,
don't
put
words
in
your
mouth,
but
the
Summerfield,
but
when,
when
when
clients
get
neat,
things
done
and
maybe
calls
aren't
returned
the
way
we
would
like
the
currency
of
service
would
step
in.
B
B
B
E
E
B
F
F
You
won,
but
I'll
I'll
start
Robert.
Okay,
several
years
ago
we
began
working
with
our
local
non-profits
and
Helen
Hills
organization,
a
number
of
organizations
we
met
with
around
inclusionary
zoning,
literally
casting
it
forward,
as
enabling
legislation
to
support
inclusionary
zoning
across
our
state.
G
Thank
you,
Jenna
Mr,
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
so
yeah
so
again,
we've
talked
a
lot
today
about
tools,
and
this
is
a
tool.
As
Gianna
mentioned,
the
the
legislation
that's
up
at
the
legislature
is
enabling
legislation,
so
it
doesn't
require
you
to
do
anything
it.
It
just
creates
a
tool
that
can
be
in
our
toolbox,
so
Charleston
can
use
it
and
our
neighboring
jurisdictions
don't
have
to
they
could
they
could
make
their
own
decisions
about
about
this
option?
G
An
important
component
of
this
legislation
is
compared
to
what
you
may
hear
about
when
you
hear
inclusionary
zoning
in
other
states
in
in
the
union.
It
requires
incentives.
So
it's
not
a
pure
mandate.
So
if,
as
a
jurisdiction,
we
were
to
choose
if
this
enabling
legislation
were
to
be
passed
and
the
City
of
Charleston
were
to
choose
to
utilize
this
tool
within
our
zoning
code,
we
would
be
required
to
have
insane
incentives
to
create
some
offset
if
you
would
for
for
the
requirement.
G
So
it's
not,
it
doesn't
allow
us
to
be
a
straight
mandate
and
just
like
our
mu,
Workforce
housing,
zoning
incentive
thing,
you
can
also
do
fee
and
lose
so
again.
It
requires
the
legislation
requires
the
ability
to
do
fee
and
Lou
if
the
community,
a
particular
developer,
is
building,
for
whatever
reason
just
doesn't
work
to
have
those
units
on
site
or
as
a
part
of
that
development.
G
So
this
is
one
of
the
most
flexible
inclusionary
zoning
legislations
I've,
seen
in
in
comparison
and
I've
I've
compared
a
lot,
because
I
worked
with
the
Nevada
legislature
on
a
similar
question
there
that
was
not
able
to
get
past
there
either,
but
it's.
This
is
just
an
important
tool.
I'm
hopeful
y'all
can
support
this
I.
G
Think
as
we
continue
to
talk
about
providing
options
for
folks
in
terms
of
getting
our
affordable
housing
strategy
done
that
this
could
be
a
big
one
and,
as
Jonah
mentioned,
this
is
for
the
entire
State.
It's
not
just
for
the
City
of
Charleston,
so
there'll
be
other
communities
in
the
state.
That
I
think
will
take
advantage
of
this.
If,
if
they're,
the
legislature
sees
fit
to
pass
it
and.
B
G
I
think
there's
some
folks
from
legal
on
here,
but
the
way
I
have
read
this
legislation.
It
doesn't
allow
linkage
fees
per
se,
but
it
would
allow
us
to
have
an
inclusionary
requirement.
So
if
you
build
an
office
project
again,
our
zoning
is
fairly
flexible
and
allows
for
a
residential
component
in
our
office
districts
and
other
things.
So
we
could.
We
could
require
an
affordable
housing
component
to
any
zoning
District
under
this
and
then
the
folks.
Instead
of
actually
building
a
housing
component,
they
could
do
a
fee
in
lieu.
So.
E
E
K
E
F
We
had
a
lot
of
pushback,
but
again
it
offers
these
incentives.
It
offers
the
opportunity
for
local
jurisdictions
to
choose
what
amount
of
affordable
housing
they
will
require
developers
to
build
under
inclusionary
zoning,
be
it
25
15.
So
it
gives
that
flexibility,
but
it
does
and
sent
you
to
bring
the
affordable
housing
forward
and.
B
E
B
C
Oh
I
promise
I'll
be
brief.
Mr,
chairman
yeah
famous
last
words
I
just
want
to
thank
my
colleagues
and
our
staff
for
putting
together
an
agenda
like
this
I
mean
this
really
is
a
a
clear
statement
that
the
City
of
Charleston
is
serious
about
confronting
this
challenge.
I
gotta
tell
you,
there's
not
that
many
City
councils
around
the
country
that
would
be
willing
to
have
such
an
open
and
Frank
discussion
about
this,
because
the
reality
of
it
is
is.
This
is
not
good
politics.
A
lot
of
places.
D
C
That's
why
this
has
not
been
talked
about
for
so
long
over
the
years
and
I
think
it
shows
a
commitment
and
Leadership
amongst
all
of
my
colleagues
and
our
staff
and
the
mayor
to
continue
to
not
just
talk
about
affordable
housing,
but
to
actually
be
about
it,
and-
and
that's
that's
I
just
didn't
want
that
to
go
unnoticed.
Well,
we
did.
What
we
just
did
today
is
not
normal
and
Mount
Pleasant
doesn't
do
this
okay
and
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
trying
to
pick
on
them,
but
there's.
This
is
true.
This
is
rare.