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City of Charleston Committee on Public Safety 3/13/2023
A
Very
good
good
afternoon,
everybody
Welcome
to
the
March
13
2023
Public
Safety
Committee
meeting
I
appreciate
everybody
being
available,
we're
on
Zoom
again
one
of
these
days.
I'm
gonna
switch
these
meetings
to
in
person
I'm,
quite
frankly,
getting
tired
of
the
our
Zoo
meetings.
I
know
maybe
of
some
convenience
to
a
lot
of
folks,
but
I
think
we
get
a
lot
better
business
out
of
our.
A
I
hate
to
call
on
you
always,
but
do
you
mind,
leading
Us
in
the
even
the
moment
of
silence
or
a
prayer
that'll.
C
C
Upon
the
City
of
Charleston,
we
thank
you
for
those
who
work
in
public
safety
for
their
bravery
for
their
willingness
to
put
their
lives
on
the
line
to
promote
safety
and
peace
in
the
City
of
Charleston
Lord.
We
ask
that
you'll
protect
and
guide
each
one
of
those
and
that
you'll
guide
us
in
our
meeting
today
and
make
our
actions
acceptable
to
you
for
it's
in
your
holy
and
precious
name.
We
pray,
amen,
amen,.
A
I
I
figured
I
had
enough
spiritual
guidance
with
the
attending
judge
Fields
as
funeral
services
at
Centurion
United
Methodist
Church.
It
was
a
two-hour
service,
absolutely
beautiful,
but
the
prayers
out
there
were
also
just
as
just
as
beautiful
as
a
speeches
that
were
made
in
the
harmony
that
was
given
having
before
us
today
is
the
February
13th.
A
A
A
Steve
I
I
seem
to
you
my
go-to
guy
on
these
grants.
I
believe
you
could
take
this
one
up.
Mr
rumbling,
actually.
B
Hi,
yes,
we're
applying
for
the
state
Homeland
Security
Grant,
that's
administered,
you
can
sled
and
we're
requesting
515
000
for
three
barrier
system
kits.
That
would
provide
better
protection
than
our
current
barriers
and
facilitate
easy
setup
and
breakdown
of
road
closures
for
public
events.
A
Okay,
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
adopt
item
three,
so
I
moved
second,
okay,
any
questions
or
discussions
about
this
grant.
C
A
F
This
is
our
standard,
Mutual
Aid
agreement
that
we
have
with
a
number
of
other
agencies.
The
reason
why
we're
enlisting
Aiken
is
it's
my
understanding,
they're
going
to
bring
one
of
their
EOD
canines
for
the
bridge
run
to
help
us
with
the
with
the
bomb
sniffing.
A
C
G
A
Aye
opposed
I
think
that
we're
the
Charles,
so
please
will
probably
find
out
due
to
Charleston
fire
department
on
extending
their
boundaries
outside
of
the
Tri-County
area.
Do
we
have
an
mou
YouTube
query
with
all
palms
I
think
no
right.
A
Yeah
I
remember
doing
that
all
right
item
number
five
is
the
review
of
the
research
agreement
between
the
University
of
South,
Carolina
and
Charleston
Police
Department
to
work
in
collaboration
to
conduct
informal
external
review
and
assessment
progress
on
the
racial
bias
audit,
Chief
Bruno's.
You
want
to
lead
us
off
a
discussion
of
of
that.
We
previously
had
approved
this
this
at
our
ways
and
means
committee
meeting
in
full
Council
last
month,
so
this
is
which
was
referred
to
as
sort
of
an
after
the
fact
discussion
item.
So
Chief.
I
Someone
to
introduce
Jill
Edson,
our
procedural
Justice,
director
and
she's,
going
to
kind
of
walk
through
the
contract
and
and
answer
some
of
the
questions
that
I
think
have
been
raised.
Foreign.
J
For
that
introduction,
can
everyone
hear
me?
Okay,
yes,
okay!
Thank
you.
It's
not
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
here
with
you
all
so,
just
for
everyone's
clarification,
I'm
going
to
start
with
a
review
of
what
was
what
was
done
in
the
racial
bias.
Audit,
then
we'll
talk
through
the
main
components
of
the
proposal
for
the
assessment
and
then
what
we
hope
to
achieve
after
that
assessment
is
performed.
So
just
as
a
reminder,
the
Charleston
Police
Department,
supported
by
the
City
of
Charleston,
embarked
upon
this
Voluntary
Assessment
of
its
practices
and
procedures
and
the
effort.
J
The
reason
was
to
really
improve
the
agency
with
regard
to
fairness,
transparency,
Community
engagement,
but
also
while
ensuring
Public
Safety
so,
and
the
goal
for
the
CPD
has
always
been
to
do
more
good
than
harm,
and
the
audit
help
focused
its
efforts
and
five
priority
areas.
They
were
traffic
stops
and
we
now
of
course
call
them
motor
vehicle
stops
to
better
Encompass
the
full
array
of
reasons
that
officers
perform
the
stops.
The
second
area
was
use
of
force.
The
third
was
plates
internal
and
external.
J
The
fourth
was
Community
oriented,
policing
and
the
fist
was
the
fifth
area
was
personal
practices
and
that
included
recruitment
retention
and
promotions.
Cna,
provided
this
assessment
into
in
2019
and
produced
72,
wide-ranging
recommendations
encompassing
all
of
those
areas
for
the
CPD,
and
since
that
time
the
CPD
has
really
done
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
on
improving
itself
based
on
the
audit
recommendations,
and
some
of
these
include
practice.
Changes,
for
example,
increases
in
the
site
and
release
efforts,
as
opposed
to
custodial
arrests
policy
changes
most
recently,
encompassing
the
evolution
of
its
constitutional
issues
and
stops
policy.
J
Improved
training,
for
example.
The
awareness
training
that
covers
a
variety
of
topics
like
bias,
stereotypes
and
communication,
and
then
improved
data,
which
is
a
more
comprehensive
collection
of
information
on
certain
areas,
including
motor
vehicle
stops
and
the
use
of
force
to
support
better
analyzes.
J
And
so
the
proposal
that
you
were
able
to
review
was
submitted
by
Dr
Jeffrey
Alpert
of
the
unit
of
South
Carolina
he's
the
principal
investigator
and
he
is
partnering
with
Dr
Robert
kale
of
kale
strategic
insights,
and
he
is
really
the
the
person
that's
going
to
be
performing
most
of
the
evaluation,
work
and
facilitation
of
the
project.
The
total
cost
of
the
services
is
72,
000,
72,
930.72,
930
000,
so
almost
seventy
three
thousand
dollars
the
proposed
timeline
for
completion
was
12
weeks
after
the
start
date.
J
Originally,
the
contract
was
to
be
begun
in
March
of
this
year,
March
1st
2023.
However,
we
might
be
delayed
a
little
bit
because
I
think
we're
still
waiting
on
some
administrative
hurdles
to
be
cleared,
but
the
total
project
should
Encompass
about
three
months
of
work.
So,
in
my
opinion,
is
someone
that
you
know
has
done
research
studies
in
other
areas
with
outside
parties.
This
is
a
very
comprehensive
scope
of
work
and
it
includes
collecting
and
analyzing
both
quantitative
and
qualitative
information
before
providing
a
report.
J
So
at
a
high
high
level,
the
components
include
a
Fidelity
assessment,
which
is
basically
a
record
administrative
data
review
and
interviews
which
help
the
assessors
determine
which
of
the
CNA
recommendations
were
implemented
by
the
CPE
as
intended.
The
next
part
is
a
subject
matter,
expert
review
and
assessment,
and
so
the
assessors
will
engage
experts
on
each
of
the
five
focal
points
of
the
audit
to
review
the
progress
of
with
the
CNA
recommendations
and
provide
next
steps,
also,
very
importantly,
they'll
obtain
feedback
from
on
how
CPD
can
best
assess
disparities
in
racial
bias
moving
forward.
J
A
third
component
is
the
citizen
and
stakeholder
engagement
in
future
and
feedback
portion,
and
so
the
assessors
will
solicit
feedback
from
external
stakeholder
groups
and
the
Charleston
community
on
the
perceptions
of
the
effects
of
the
racial
bias.
Audit
implementation,
and
we
know
that
perceptions
are
important
and
there's
no
real
other
way
to
get
at
that.
J
Unless
you
talk
to
to
people,
and
so
the
assessors
have
proposed
a
series
of
community
forums,
two
of
them
will
be
exclusively
for
residents
of
the
community,
one
will
be
for
the
business
community
and
one
will
incorporate
law
enforcement
leaders
in
a
forum.
The
next
part
of
that
component
includes
interviews,
The,
Proposal,
Scopes,
out
interviews
with
10
leaders
of
key
organizations,
including
the
Charleston
area,
Justice
Ministry
black
lives
matter,
the
NAACP
and
selected
neighborhood
organizations,
as
examples
also
involved
in
this
component,
is
a
community
online
survey.
J
So
the
assessment
team
in
this
Arena
will
mainly
be
reviewing
and
commenting
on
the
survey
methodology.
The
instrument
and
the
analysis,
output
and
they'll
also
be
hosting
the
survey
on
their
more
sophisticated
online
survey
platform
and,
finally,
the
fourth
component
of
this
analysis
includes
actionable
findings
and
a
work
product
that
suggests
an
ongoing
assessment
approach.
So
the
deliverables
will
include
a
final
report
with
an
action
plan
and
an
ongoing
assessment
framework.
That's
suggested
to
the
department-
and
this
report
is
intended
for
public
posting
and
Beyond.
The
CPD.
J
The
recipients
of
this
report
include
the
mayor
and
this
committee,
and
then
the
findings
will
also
be
delivered
to
the
CPD
Command
Staff
and
members
of
the
community.
So
what
does
this
all
mean
for
us
we're
at
a
stage
now
where
we
are
hoping
to
be
able
to
provide
for
the
community
a
publicly
available
independent
review
of
the
audit
implementation
and
an
ongoing
plan
for
Success?
That
can
be
further
realized.
So
the
suggestions
that
we
get
back
may
include
suggested
adjustments
to
the
current
implementation.
J
It
may
also
include
information
about
ways
to
improve
transparency
and
Community
engagement
and
then
also
from
my
perspective,
I
think
one
of
the
really
valuable
aspects
is
information
about
how
to
best
harness
the
additional
data
that
we
that
the
department
have
been
collecting
and
one
I
I
do
specifically
want
to
note
about
data
that
this
doesn't
mean
that
the
CPD
is
going
to
be
able
to
definitively
answer
every
single
question
about
disparity
about
bias.
J
So
really
more
examination
is
needed
to
better
understand
what
could
be
driving
any
disparities
that
we
uncover
and
I
intentionally
say
could
be
driving
them,
because
determining
causation
in
social
science
is
often
a
very
challenging
Endeavor,
but
bottom
line
digging
deeper
into
the
disparities
with
the
data
that
we
have
can
provide
ideas
on
how
to
address
them
with
practical
Solutions,
and
so
the
bottom
line
is
that
we're
still
figuring
this
out
and
frankly,
no
law
enforcement
agent
in
the
country
is
perfect
in
every
single
one
of
these
areas,
but
the
CPD
does
you
know
commit
to
this.
J
It
is
hoping
to
make
some
effects
some
change
on
its
own.
However,
in
certain
circumstances,
broader
changes
may
require
the
assistance
of
other
City
agencies
and
Community
Partners
and
certainly
will
not
be
realized
overnight,
but
something
that
we
can
work
towards
in
the
future.
So,
in
conclusion,
this
is
the
path
that
we're
on
and
the
work
is
not
finished,
but
the
CPD
does
pledge
wholeheartedly
to
engage
in
in
this
work
and
publicly
provide
information
about
where
it
is
and
what
steps
are
next,
thanks
for
letting
me
address
you.
A
I
No
I,
just
I
just
want
to
reiterate
it's
it's
a
lot
of
work.
This
is
a
journey
that
is
going
to
take
more
time,
more
efforts,
it's
a
collaborative
effort
and
we'll
continue
to
we've
embraced
the
audit
from
day
one
we'll
Embrace
this
assessment
of
the
audit
and
continue
to
make
sure
we're
doing
the
right
things
for
the
right
reasons.
A
C
K
Well,
thank
you
Mr,
chairman
and
Jill.
Thank
you
for
that
nice
summary
of
everything
and
and
thanks
by
the
way
for
showing
up
to
help
us
in
the
neighborhood
operation
neighborhood
on
Saturday
morning.
It
was
good
to
see
you
there
so
I
think
of
the
original
recommendations.
There
were
quite
a
few
policy
recommendations,
as
you
mentioned,
and
in
a
way
some
of
that
might
have
been
kind
of
low
hanging
fruit
because
we
just
needed
to
change
some
words
on
a
piece
of
paper
right.
We
set
the
policy
in
place.
K
My
question
is:
will
this
review
gives
some
definitive
review
on
whether
those
policies
that
were
changed
are
actually
really
taken
hold
or
taken
effect?
Sometimes
you
know,
folks
might
do
things
the
same
old
way
just
because
they've
been
doing
them
that
way
for
forever.
Right,
so
is
that
is
that
a
aspect
of
this
that
they'll
be
taking
a
look
at
yes,.
J
Mr
Miller
Amir
I
believe
that
that
is
a
part
of
this
based
on
the
proposal,
so
as
part
of
that
Fidelity
you're
speaking
about
the
Fidelity
assessment,
which
is
the
first
part
of
and
I,
think
that
we
will
launch
into
immediately
after
beginning
we're
going
to
provide
access
to
the
assessors
of
all
of
the
policies
that
are
currently
in
place,
we'll
also
be
giving
them
administrative
data,
so
they'll
be
able
to
look
and
see.
J
You
know
what
the
information,
what
the
numbers
say
about
what's
happening,
and
we're
also
willing
to
supplement
that
or
the
assessors
are
going
to
speak
to
captains
in
the
various
areas
that
are
related
to
those
policy
changes
to
get
their
perception
of
what's
been
performed.
I
also
think
that
the
community
feedback
portion
on
the
perception
of
the
changes
will
be
especially
informative
there
and
then
anything
that
the
assessors
are
not
able
to
Embark
upon
based
on
the
resources
that
they
have
at
their
disposal.
That's
something
that
we
can
work
into.
J
Our
ongoing
monitoring
and
I
think
will
be
a
big
part
of
my
job
to
better
assess
for
the
long-term
future
once
the
assessment
concludes.
So
definitely
that's
something
that's
important
and
I
believe
embedded
in
The
Proposal.
But
if
you
know
we
don't
get
all
the
way
there
in
the
time
that
we
have.
It's
certainly
an
ongoing
effort
that
we
can
take
on.
L
A
Okay,
I've
invited
I've
been
asked
Mr
Harris
to
participate
in
in
this
discussion
and
Jerry.
If
there's,
you
want
to
lead
off
on
some
questions
that
you,
you
know
have
talked
obviously
last
week
about
some
of
the
issues
that
you
had
concerns
that
you
had
do
you
want
to
bring
that
up
down.
L
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
members
of
committee,
good
afternoon,
Chief
how
you
doing
Jillian
good
to
see
you
the
a
couple
of
things
I
think
when
I
was
one
of
the
people
who
suggested
that
the
committee
review
The
Proposal
because
of
the
importance
I,
think
of
really
getting
a
good,
accurate
assessment
of
the
hard
work
that
the
department
has
done
and
the
perception
of
the
community
about
what
has
happened.
How
much
has
changed
in
the
path
forward?
L
A
couple
of
questions
the
University
of
South
Carolina
is
under
contract
with
the
Department
already
to
do
work
around
the
racial
bias
audit.
What's
the
relationship
between
that
contract,
which
is
extended,
January
24th
by
the
council
and
this
contract.
J
Okay,
so
Lobby
I
I
can
answer
that,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
Cassandra,
who
is
our
administrative
Services
director,
might
want
to
handle
questions
about
contracts.
M
Sure
I
can
I
can
answer
that.
Essentially
we
did
partner
with
USC,
primarily
after
the
audit
results,
Etc
and
and
a
lot
of
what
Dr
Albert
was
doing
with
that
contract
was
more
about
the
use
of
force
and
I,
know
DC
Walker's
on
here
as
well,
but
the
use
of
force,
review
kind
of
helping
us
gearing
up
some
of
the
the
policy
revisions
and
or
changes,
and
that
contractor
correct
is
due
to
expire.
M
M
M
Sir,
yes,
sir,
but
more
or
less
that
was
more
for
an
administrative
process
that
we
had
to
extend
that
contract
just
to
complete
it
out.
Okay,.
L
H
L
The
importance
I
the
reason
I
raised,
that
the
perception
of
the
expertise
of
the
consultant
and
work
as
a
principal
investigator
is
is
important.
Second
question:
the
proposal
document
supporting
documentation
is
on
the
letterhead
of
KL
strategies,
insights
and
not
University,
of
South
Carolina.
What's
the
relationship
between
kale
and
University
of
South
Carolina
is
a
contractual.
Is
that
a
separate
contract,
a
subcontractor?
Just?
How
does
that
work.
M
Yes,
sir,
so
they
many
of
these
universities
are
able
to
subcontract
out
for
especially
when
we're
talking
about
specialized
Services
as
such
as
this.
So
essentially,
we
are
partnering
with
USC
who
then
can
subcontract
out
to
other
different
smes
and
or
expertise.
M
They
can
also
subcontract
out
to
other
various
University
organizations,
and
you
know
clear.
This
is
not
really
my
my
specialty,
however,
for
example
you'll
notice
in
The
Proposal,
they
do
mention
another
Clemson,
University
researcher,
that's
very
widely
known
throughout
the
this.
This
line
of
work,
so
they
do
have
the
ability
to
tap
into
so
many
multiple
resources
that
really
just
go
into
one
place
like
a
One-Stop
shop
and
Shop
you're
not
going
to
really
be
able
to
tap
into
those
different
contracts
or
services.
L
Again,
I'm
asking
these
questions
so
there's
the
questions
that
the
public
have
asked
and
I
just
think
it's
important
for
it
to
be
on
the
record.
Were
there
small
women
in
minority
business,
Enterprise
requirements
attached
to
this
doc
to
this
contract.
M
No
sir,
but
we
did
do
an
RFP
process
prior
to
which
was
last
year,
and
that
yielded
I
know
Jill
kind
of
mentioned
that
a
little
bit
in
her
review.
But
that
yielded
not
a
large
response.
We
do
reference
the
mwbe
reference
list
that
the
city
does
have
right
now.
Quite
honestly,
this
is
such
a
specialized
services
that
that
there
are
no
current
mwb
that
I'm,
aware
of
and
when
the
proposal
was
sent
out
back.
M
L
In
the
section
that
talks
about
subject
matter
experts,
there
are
well
Dr,
Alford
and
Dr.
Mclean
are
identified
on
as
subject
matter
as
a
subject
matter
expert.
So
those
are
the
ones
that
we'll
be
doing
part
of
the
work.
Are
they
already
under
contract
or
are
there
opportunities
for
others
to
be
involved
and
engaged.
M
Essentially,
as
the
principal
USC
being
the
principal,
they
can
subcontract
and
or
seek
out
other
smes
and
or
Personnel
if
they
want
to
utilize
them
in
this
project.
That
is
an
option.
I
think
they
tend
to
like
to
put
the
actual
principal
smes
in
here.
So
there's
an
understanding
as
far
as
the
budget
expected
and
then
pay
and
and
expectations.
Okay,.
L
So
a
quick
online
look,
none
of
the
subject
matter:
experts
or
persons
of
color
and
because
the
research
and
the
data
suggests
that
the
the
apps
best
practices
would
involve
in
integration
of
persons
of
color,
particularly
given
the
fact
that
we're
talking
about
racial
bias
and
risk-related
matters.
How
is
that
going
to
be
accomplished?
Is
that
part
of
the
discussion.
J
So
I
I
do
that
Mr
Harris.
So
so
yes,
we're
we're.
The
assessors
are
very
aware
that
you
know
they
need
feedback
from
certain
communities
and
Dr
kale
as
part
of
the
number
the
I
believe.
Yes,
the
third
part
of
the
contract
has
noted
in
here
that
he
hopes
to
have
or
is
needing
to
have
an
African-American
co-facilitator
for
the
community
forums.
I,
don't
know
who
he
is
planning
on
Contracting
at
this
point,
but
that
is
something
an
issue
that
he
raised
and
committed
to
in
the
contract.
J
Beyond
that
the
survey
component,
obviously
we're
going
to
be
working
with
CPAC
on
that
and
incorporating
their
feedback
into
the
suggestions
about
questions,
content,
distribution
plan
and,
as
you
know,
we
have
we.
We
have
a
diverse
representation
in
the
CPAC
committee
members
and
then
finally,
we
hope
that
during
the
interview
process,
the
assessors
can
speak
to
representatives
from
these
key
stakeholder
groups
like
black
lives
matter
and
cajun
and
the
NAACP.
L
So
the
the
notion
that
the
principal
investigator,
the
subject
matter,
experts
the
people
who
are
talking
about
the
Fidelity
of
the
data
with
what's
being
reported,
none
of
those
were
people-
would
be
people
of
of
persons
of
color
I.
Think
that's
a
shortcoming
of
the
in
in
terms
of
the
design.
L
That's
my
assessment.
The
third
thing
is
this
time
to
schedule.
The
task
on,
as
is
outlined,
does
not
well.
My
recommendation
is,
for
example,
around
the
Outreach
for
the
forums
and
the
like
that
CPAC
being
bought
involved
in
that
aspect,
and
not
just
the
survey.
I
also
suggest
that
the
human
Affairs
and
racial
conciliation
coordinator
be
involved
in
in
the
process.
L
Perhaps
even
looking
at
the
schedule
the
week,
one
cause
for
a
kickoff
meeting,
I
suggest
that
representatives
of
CPAC
and
the
human,
human
Affairs
and
racial
conciliation
be
involved
in
that,
because
that
will
suggestions
and
to
folks
that
there
are
otherwise
other
than
the
department
involved
in
in
this
activity,
giving
another
level
of
transparency.
L
L
I
would
suggest
that
she
also
be
interviewed
as
as
part
of
that
phase,
one
activity,
so
there's
continuity
of
information
between
the
what
she
was
doing
and
what
and
what
you're
doing
I
think
that's
an
important,
important
step
and
also
around
week
11,
but
throughout
the
schedule
they'll
be
kind
of
updates,
I'm
certain
from
the
consultant,
the
lead
team
and
the
department
I
would
suggests
that
the
CPAC
and
park
the
part
of
those
briefings.
Okay.
L
So
if
there
are
concerns
that
are
Uprising,
at
least
from
our
perspective
as
we
go
through
this
process,
it
it
could
be
waste
to
the
to
the
researchers,
so
that
can
be
part
of
part
of
the
work
not
just
at
the
tail
end.
So
those
are
a
couple
of
suggestions
and
observations.
Thank
you
for
your
responses.
A
And
Jerry,
thank
you
for
formulating
those
questions.
I
know
that
you
were
getting
input
from
other
folks
and
other
agencies.
Another
organizations
to
help
put
those
together,
I
think
there's
all
very
important.
Questions
and
part
of
this
committee's
review
is
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
our
side.
Folks
asking
these
types
of
questions
and
and
want
to
be
transparent
on
how
this
process
is
going
to
work
and
transparent
on
on
the
process
itself
as
it
unfolds.
A
Let
me
just
go
back
and
some
very
basic
fundamental
questions
so
and
not
necessarily
get
too
close
into
the
weeds
with
all
of
this,
but
this
this
is
more
of
my
edification
in
for
the
public
to
understand
how
this
is
going
to
actually
work.
So
we
we
have
those
recommendations
of
CNA
presented
to
the
Department.
A
The
majority,
the
these
super
majority
of
those
things,
and
there
are
a
handful
that
are
work
in
progress,
so
the
contractor
Dr
Jeffrey
and
his
team
are
going
to
look
at
those
reports
from
CPD
and
verify
those
representations
that
we
have.
Indeed,
checked
off
those
implementation
items
correct
yes,
yeah
and
here's
gonna
look
they're
going
to
look
at
the
background
data
of
that
to
confirm
what
what
we
have
have
done.
Certainly-
and
this
is
part
of
my
conversation
with
Mr
Harris
last
last
week.
A
Certainly
there
are
a
handful
of
if
not
I,
don't
want
to
put
a
number
on
it,
but
a
good
number
of
them
that
are
going
to
require
us
to
make
sure
I
think
you
commented
about
this
a
few
moments
ago
that
just
because
we
have
successfully
implemented
one
of
the
recommendations.
There
are
certain
recommendations
and
I'm
speaking
about
this
in
general
terms
that
are
going
to
require
ongoing
review.
A
It's
just
one
of
those
things
that
just
because
of
the
nature
of
government
nature
policing
that
we're
going
to
require
ourselves
that,
just
because
we
have
checked
that
box
off
in
2022,
that's
something
that's
going
to
be
subjected
to
review
for
2023
and
2024,
and
things
of
that
nature
and
you're
nodding
so
I'm
I'm,
getting
an
affirmative
from
from
that
and
I
think
that
there's
critically
important
that
we
separate
those
kind
of
categories
so
that,
while
there
are
certain
things
that
have
maybe
once
thing
to
do,
there
are
those
other
items
that
will
require
us
to
to
make
sure
that
we're,
following
up
from
from
either
quarter
to
quarter
or
month,
a
month
or
a
year
to
year.
A
A
Imagine
these
kind
of
layup
questions
just
so
that
public
is
fully
aware
that
we're
not
going
to
just
wrestle
our
Laurels
with
this
follow-up
audit
that
there
are
other
things
that
we
need
to
be
doing
from
from
time
to
time.
Right.
J
Yes,
yes,
Mr,
chair,
I
believe
that
to
be
accurate,
I
believe
that
this
is
actually
a
good
time
for
me
to
be
involved
in
this
process,
because
this
will
help
me
kind
of
scope
out
my
role
on
an
ongoing
monitoring.
J
The
procedure
for
what's
happening
when
and
I
think
that
this
will
provide
a
good
foundation
that
for
the
important
areas
that
have
to
be
as
monitored
on
a
monthly
basis
or
a
quarterly
basis
and
I'm,
not
quite
sure
at
this
point,
what
the
the
format
in
which
those
that
information
will
be
provided
to
the
public
but
I'm
sure
we'll
find
a
way
to
make
that
information
available
and
make
sure
that
we
keep
our
eyes
on
the
things
that
are
readily
important
and
that
you
know
it's
over
time.
A
And
just
follow,
follow
up
and
I
see
that
council
member
of
Sacramento
will
give
them
a
chance
to
chime
in
in
a
few
seconds
and
also
I
got
an
email
with
cagem.
With
about
five
questions,
I,
don't
know
if
y'all
seen
that
email,
yes,
sir
okay
I,
might
be
calling
you
at
some
point
that
addresses
this
is
getting
into
the
weeds
a
little
bit
more
with
this
as
well.
But
we
have.
A
We
have
talked
about
our
stakeholders,
black
lives
matter,
as
Cajun
Mr
Harris
has
mentioned
CPAC
and
human
Affairs
resources.
The
RCC
Commission
give
us
a
little
bit
more
of
an
indent
of
how
you
view
their
involvement
with
this.
How
do
you
technically
look
at
me?
I'm?
Certainly
we're
going
to
be
meeting
with
them,
but
we're
going
to
have
more
of
an
open,
Forum
discussion
with
them.
Sharing
this
this
data
and
getting
their
feedback
from
that
to
sort
of
explain
that
to
me
a
little
more
in
more
depth.
J
So
my
understanding,
based
on
the
proposal,
is
that
there
will
be
one-on-one
interviews
with
stakeholders
from
those
groups.
That's
part
of
the
stakeholder
engagement
process,
so
that
will-
and
you
know
those
will
obviously
be
qualitative-
so
they'll
be
probably
free
form
responses
and
then
the
the
parties
will
be
able
to
share
whatever
perspectives
they
have
with
the
assessors.
Beyond
that,
I
know
that
we
are
open
and
we
want
to
have
a
representative
sample
of
community
members
participating
in
the
community
engagement
piece.
J
So
we
would
invite
them-
and
you
know
their
their
colleagues
or
you
know
the
people
they
represent,
to
attend
the
community-based
forums
and
also
complete
the
online
survey
and
I
know
that
there
is
some
concern
about.
You
know:
accessibility
of
the
online
survey,
so
we're
open
to
feedback
from
those
parties
on
the
best
way
to
reach
populations
that
may
be
hard
to
survey
or
may
not
have
access,
and
then
my
understanding
is
that
you
know
what
we're
what
we
are
going
to
produce
or
what
the
assessors
produce
to
us.
J
We
will
make
available
publicly
we'll
make
sure
that
you
know
this
committee
has
access
to
the
findings.
We'll
also
make
sure
that
there's
a
way
to
readily
distribute
them
to
all
of
those
groups.
But
that's
kind
of
at
this
point.
That's
what
we
envision
in
terms
of
taking
the
feedback
from
those
individuals
making
sure
they're
included
in
discussions
about
you
know
how
best
to
include
the
community
help
us
to
get
their
involvement.
J
A
D
You
chairman,
I,
think
most
of
my
questions
are
answered
through
Jill
and
and
Jerry's
question
so
Jill.
Thank
you
for
great
overview
and
I
just
want
to
say
two
two
comments
and
then
one
question
one
is
you
know
when
you
look
at
other
regions
around
around
us
and
in
the
Low
Country?
D
You
know
we're
kind
of
leading
in
this
effort,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
folks
that
are
listening-
and
you
know,
we've
got
a
lot
of
folks
that
are
critical
and
I've
been
critical
and
councilman
Bowden
who's
not
on,
has
been
critical
and
we're
asking
good
questions,
but
I
do
want
to
just
train
this.
That
I
appreciate
the
work.
That's
getting
done
and
and
I
recognize
that
there's
other
penalties
that
aren't
digging
into
this
work.
So
so
thank
you
for
that
number.
D
Two
in
terms
of
community
stakeholder
engagement,
I'm
really
happy
that
you
guys
are
thinking
that
through
and
I
would
just
make
sure
the
comment
I
would
make
is
make
it
as
robust
as
possible.
I
think
there
was
some
comments
from
aging
about
online,
not
working
like
online
forms
and
I
would
disagree
with
that.
D
In
fact,
98
of
our
population
has
phones
and,
and
so
I
would
just
say,
make
it
robust.
Give
folks
many
Avenues
to
to
contribute
I
mean
the
last
piece.
Really
is
the
question
about
the
external
review
assessment
in
that
team
I
think
Jerry
had
made
a
mention
about
not
it
not
being
diverse.
Can
someone
just
explain
to
me
the
development
of
that
process
and
how?
How
folks
got
on
that
assessment
team
and
why
I
I
guess?
Why
didn't
we
think
about
making
it
diverse
more
diverse
than
it
is.
J
Okay,
thank
you
for
your
question.
I
do
want
to
just
briefly
address
the
comment
that
you
made
previously
about
the
forums
the
the
two
Community
forums
that
are
planned
are
supposed
to
be
in
person,
so
so
just
we'll
make
sure
that
that
happens
regarding
how
the
assessors
develop
their
list
of
subject
matter.
J
Experts
I
know
that
in
practice,
normally
in
research
communities,
you
you
basically,
you
have
certain
people
that
are
well
known
in
an
area
of
expertise,
and
you
may
have
you
know,
worked
with
them
previously
and
so
they're
people
that
you
know
you
can
engage
with
and
work
with.
However,
I
can't
speak
for
the
evaluators
in
terms
of
how
they
made
those
determinations,
but
generally
you
know
based
on
availability
based
on
subject
matter,
expertise,
sometimes
you're
limited
in
terms
of
who
you
could
select.
E
J
Don't
want
to
speak
for
them.
I'll
just
say
that
I
know
that
often
you
don't
have
the
wide
range
of
of
options
that
would
be
ideal
in
those
circumstances,.
D
B
D
I,
don't
need
an
answer
today,
but
I
would
like
an
answer
on
on
why
those
decisions
were
made
because
it
just
seems
to
me
to
be
a
misstep
not
to
have
you
know
we're
doing
we're
doing
a
study
on
racial
bias.
Not
to
have
diversity
on
that
team
seems
to
me
to
be
a
mister
and
we
do
have
content
meant
matter
experts,
one
of
which
is
on
our
call
today.
So
I,
just
I,
guess
I'd
like
an
answer
at
some
point.
J
A
Yeah
hold
on
one
second
Jerry,
so
so
Jill,
if,
if
there
is
the
availability
to
assat
or
answer
that
question
by
tomorrow's
city
council
meeting,
that
may
be
helpful
as
well.
Okay,
yes,
sir.
L
Jerry
so
Jess-
and
we
all
know
this-
there's
Affinity
bias
in
in
network
bias
and
in
this
situation
this
particular
situation,
I
think
I
agree
with
with
Jason.
It
may
create
a
credibility
problem
for
us
and
even
though
we're
down
the
road
on
this
I
think
it
is
something
that
needs
to
be
addressed
and
given
that
the
the
context
of
which
we
have
without
holding
up
anything
you
know
90
days,
is
a
short
period
of
time
to
get
the
work
done.
L
I
know
professors
have
their
time
allocated,
so
we
don't
want
to
hold
things
up,
but
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
overcome
this
hurdle,
because
I
would
not
want
the
absence
of
diversity
in
the
the
technical
assistance
team.
This
expert
team
to
be
caused
the
community
to
to
think
that
this
is
not
a
credible
process.
A
While
we're
on
that
subject,
it
may
be
some
clarification,
would
would
be
a
benefit
to
us
this.
This
team,
this
export
team
that
would
have
been
sorting
around
with
these
questions.
What
is
their
primary
function.
J
Oh,
that
my
understanding
is
they're,
going
to
be
engaged
in
the
process
of
looking
at
the
policies
and
I
think
they're
going
to
be
working
with
the
captains
in
certain
areas
to
interview
them
and
to
get
you
know
their
their
perception
of
the
the
audit
and
then
to
talk
about
best
practices
within
the
literature
or
within
their
particular
field,
and
I
would
specifically
be
interested
in
looking
getting
their
assessment
of
how
to
evaluate
the
data.
J
I
mean
so
that's
kind
of
my
selfish
interest
in
engaging
them,
but
they
would
be
engaged
in
looking
at
the
policies.
Looking
at
the
information
that
has
been
provided
and
providing
feedback,
given
their
area
of
expertise
on
ways
to
move
forward
in
specific
components
of
the
Five
Focus
areas,.
A
J
I'll
I'll
let
Cassandra
respond
to
that
question.
She
may
know
better
than
me.
M
Sure,
council,
member
shade,
essentially
we
like
I,
said
we
reached
out
to
our
resources
when
we
got
that
first
bid
process
back
and
realized,
it
was
just
not
palatable
or
feasible,
essentially
reached
out
to
them
to
to
think
of
some
other
ways.
We
could
get
more
collaborative
essentially
and
get
start
this
project
and
really
tap
into
the
resources
that
we
have
available,
and
it
was
through
those
conversations
with
USC
that
we
actually,
you
know,
spoke
more
with
Dr
kale
as
well,
and
he
was
kind
of
brought
into
to
the
to
the
project.
M
A
All
right
any
other
comments,
questions
concerns
and
if
I
could
ask
folks
to
do
me,
one
favor,
as
you
were,
addressing
numbers
business
committee,
please,
since
we're
on
Zoom.
Please
turn
your
camera
on.
A
J
I'm
sure
I
can
go
ahead.
I
know
that
one
of
the
issues
was
the
goal
for
clarification
about
the
data
on
disparities
over
time
and
the
cpd's
impacts
on
those
disparities.
So
part
of
the
Fidelity
assessment
does
include
an
administrative
data,
quantitative
analysis
and
there
were
some
pre
and
post
quantitative
analyzes
that
were
proposed
so
that
that's
getting
that
part
of
the
question.
J
What
a
couple
caveats
that
I'd
like
to
offer
as
a
social
scientist,
is
that,
given
this,
the
fact
that
some
of
the
data
that
we
are
going
that
we're
relying
on
now
was
not
available
at
the
beginning
of
the
process,
some
of
those
pre-post
comparisons
may
not
be
possible
in
all
areas,
but
I'm,
confident
that
the
assessors
are
going
to
be
able
to
to
get
enough
information
to
give
an
assessment
of
you
know
what
the
prior
State
of
Affairs
was
versus
now.
J
The
other
thing
I
want
to
caution
is
that
it's
very,
very
difficult
to
ascertain
individual
impacts
of
a
different
projects
or
different
efforts
on
an
outcome
unless
you
very
rigorously
design
your
methodology
or
you
have
a
very
sophisticated
analysis
method
and
something
like
disparity,
because
it's
a
social
science
there's
a
lot
of
different
impacts
from
a
lot
of
different
forces
and
it's
very
difficult
to
isolate
all
of
them.
Using
administrative
data.
J
However,
us
being
able
to
you
know
categorically
say
that
this
was
our
impact
on
disparity
by
doing
this,
it's
very
difficult
in
the
social
sciences
to
get
that
confident
in
your
results,
based
on
the
limitations
of
the
of
administrative
data
and
that's
in
general,
that's
not
isolated
to
the
CPD,
but
it
is
definitely
a
part
of
the
of
the
assessment,
and
originally
the
recommendation
was
just
an
assessment
of
the
implementation
and
not
necessarily
outcomes.
But
this
has
been
Incorporated
in
this
proposal.
A
J
This,
the
second
question
had
was
addressing
the
see
this:
the
inclusion
of
specific
groups
in
the
development
and
communication.
So
we
actually
the
CPD
met
with
representatives
from
Cajuns
last
week
and
we
did
share
with
them
that
we'd
like
them
to
be
involved
in
the
assessment
we'd
like
them
to
participate
in
the
stakeholder
interviews
and
to
help
us
assist
in
recruitment
for
the
community
forums
and
to
give
input
on
the
online
survey
and
with
regard
to
the
communication
frequency.
J
The
practice
up
to
this
point
has
been
to
offer
updates
every
six
months
to
this
committee
and
also
to
update
the
racial
bias
audit
dashboard
every
six
months.
Additionally,
we
offer
updates
to
CPAC
when
requested
and
we'll
also
we've
also
put
out
press
releases.
So
Our
intention
is
to
continue
to
provide
those
updates
in
those
forums
and
if
this
committee
desires
updates
at
a
more
frequent
basis,
we're
happy
to
oblige.
J
Okay,
the
third
comment
had
to
do
with:
will
persons
most
affected
in
the
community
be
involved
in
the
audit
and,
as
I
spoke
to
earlier,
the
proposal
does
ask
for
engagement
of
all
members
of
the
community
and
specifically
highlights
Representatives
that
that
support
the
interests
of
affected
community
members
in
the
interviews
and
and
again
they'll
be
invited
to
the
community
forums
and
we'll
also
try
to
get
them
to
participate
in
the
survey
in
a
manner
that's
feasible
for
them.
J
Be
determined
but
obviously
arrive
at
the
time
and
information
out
online
will
will
ask
for
our
assistance
from
CPAC
from
hark,
as
Mr
Harris
mentioned,
we'll
make
sure
that
kgm
is
aware
of
it.
We
can
lean
on
our
connections
with
other
neighborhood
groups
and
certainly
like
we
can
make
a
prize
you
guys
of
these
developments
so
that
we,
you
know,
we
spread
a
wide
net
in
terms
of
announcements,
about
these
forums
and
where
they're
happening
and
when.
J
As
well
I,
we
have
not
determined
the
the
specific
strategy
for
announcing
those,
but
that'll
certainly
be
something
that
we
discuss
and
I.
Imagine
that
we
would
have
to
have
between
the
two
forums
they
wouldn't
occur
at
the
same
location.
We'd
want
to
spread
them
out
so
that
more
citizens
would
be
able
to
attend,
but
that's
still
to
be
determined.
Okay,.
J
Okay,
all
right
I
believe
the
next
question
had
to
do
with
the
number
of
forums
and
proportional
representation,
and,
as
we
said
before,
it
does,
we
do
include
two
in-person
Community
forums
or
the
proposal
includes
them.
That
would
be
facilitated
by
the
assessment
team.
So
you
know
at
its
as
its
present
State.
J
They
would
be
the
ones
leading
that
effort
additional
forums,
because
there
is
a
budget
request,
basically
tied
to
those
forums,
they're
about
four
thousand
dollars,
a
piece
to
be
able
to
plan
them
to
put
the
information
out
to
reserve
the
space
to
provide
Refreshments
for
the
time
for
the
people
that
are,
you
know
to
pay
for
the
time
of
the
people
facilitating
them.
J
J
A
All
right,
very
good,
Joe.
We
appreciate
your
your
work
on
this
appreciate
the
cpd's
commitment
to
it
and
Mr
Harris.
Thank
you,
as
always,
for
those
questions
and
and
input.
I
think
that's
always
very
important
to
hear
from
you
and
from
that
commission.
As
a
representative.
A
Any
other
questions
concerns
comments
before
we
move
on.
This
was
just
to
review
that
that
contract
out
that
had
been
approved
so
Jill
your
your
next
contact
with
us
will
be
when
you
expect
we'll.
A
All
right
feeling
good.
A
All
so
much
for
y'all's,
in-depth
review
of
this
and
your
responses,
Joe,
would
do
appreciate
hope
this
is
unfolding.
I
hope.
We've
we've
answered
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
the
public
may
have
had
with
this
process
and
also
from
our
Council
some
of
the
questions
and
concerns
that
they
had
and
I'll.
Hopefully,
we'll
see
you
tomorrow.
So
you
can
sort
of
give
us
a
synopsis
of
this
report
to
the
full
Council
tomorrow,
foreign.
A
A
Very
good,
all
right
there'd
be
no
further
questions
or
concerns
on
item
number.
Five,
we'll
move
on
to
item
number
six.
Thank
you
all
very
much
again
for
your
participation
item
number
six
is
a
fire
department
approval
to
submit
an
application
for
the
Homeland
Security
program,
grant
them
out
of
eighty
two
thousand
dollars
for
a
collapse,
search
and
rescue
team.
Chief
Curry
there
you
are
okay,
I
see
you
do
you
want
to
lead
us
off
with
that
discussion?
Chief.
H
Apparently,
good
afternoon,
everybody,
basically
it's
a
grant
that
we
apply
for
every
year
and
typically,
we
receive
it's
to
replace
equipment
with
the
already
existing
search
and
rescue
team
that
we
have
in
the
fire
department
and
the
Grant
application
covers
a
couple
of
different
areas,
we'll
just
move
over
to
it.
H
It's
the
replacement
of
the
tools
that
we
would
use
in
a
building
collapse.
It's
safety
equipment
and
training,
primarily
and
there's
no
match
involved.
A
Second,
somebody
second,
thank
you.
It's
like
you
know
being
on
on
Jeb.
You
gotta
push
that
button
to
to
give
to
give
the
question
any
further
discussion
or
any
questions
concerning
this
Grant
application.
A
H
So
I
noted
that
and
then
I
talked
to
Jennifer
Cook
in
the
clerk's
office
and
asked
her
if
we
established
the
board
of
firemasters
as
a
standalone,
regular
committee.
What
would
the
workload
be
for
her
team
and
the
response?
I
got
from
the
dead
they're
pretty
much
at
or
over
capacity
right
now
for
trying
to
handle
reading
so
perfect,
something
that
was
not
a
formal
committee.
H
So
I've
gone
down
the
road
of
looking
at
an
informal
advisory
committee
that
would
help
me
align
the
fire
department's
non-emergency
efforts
with
the
activities
with
our
activities
and
the
community's
expectations.
So
to
achieve
that,
I've
initially
talked
to
three
different
people.
One
is
one
chaplain
Spike
Coleman
with
Saint
Andrews
Presbyterian
one
is
Reverend
Christine
King
who's
in
Ardmore,
covering
Rich
Robinson
with
postal
crisis
chaplaincy.
H
So
we
initially
have
a
first
meeting
councilman
the
first
part
of
next
month,
and
at
that
point
the
four
of
us
would
get
together
and
talk
about
how
we
need
to
complete
the
group,
but
I
certainly
don't
want
the
group
to
be
so
larger,
but
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
a
diverse
group
in
that
major
Geographic
areas
of
the
city
are
represented.
That's
where
we
currently
stand.
A
Well,
let's
see
how
that
that
turns
out:
let's
give
it
a
test:
Rhonda,
yes,
for
back
with
a
lot
of
meta
description,
but
let's
give
that
that
model
attached,
one
see
how
that
works
out.
I,
don't
want
to
put
this
again
for
the
sake
of
having
people
just
me
for
the
sake
of
meeting
and
having
coffee
and
donuts,
but
if
it's
productive
and
if
it's
useful
to
the
overall
mission
of
the
fire
department,
let's
see
how
that
works
out,
and
then
you
can
give
us
an
update
at
the
office
first
meeting.
A
I
Good,
okay,
I'm
just
gonna,
be
brief
and
just
say
that
we
we
talked
about
renaming
the
forensic
Services
Bill
building
after
the
director
Judy
Gordon
she's,
been
here
almost
40
years.
I
She
has
taken
our
forensic
Services
Mission
footprint
efforts
around
the
world
she's
actually
goes
to
other
agencies
and
helps
them
with
their
accreditation
and
she's
learned
a
lot
from
them
and
brought
those
ideas
back
hurt.
Here.
She
was
the
one
who
really
had
the
vision
for
and
worked
with,
bfrc
and
The
Architects
and
others
to
actually
craft
and
create
our
current
modern
facility,
which
has
grown
and
its
responsibilities
to
include
ballistics
testing
and
very
soon
in
the
near
future,
she's
in
the
process
of
getting
DNA
testing.
I
There's
so
many
things
that
she's
done
and
accomplished
that
I
couldn't
even
cover
it
all
in
this
discussion,
but
everybody
I've
talked
to
would
say
that
she
exemplifies
all
the
things
that
are
good
about
our
Police
Department
about
our
city,
about
our
mission
and
about
what
we
accomplish,
not
the
least
of
all,
which
is
integrity,
working
and
commitment
to
others.
Over
selflessness,
expertise,
persistence.
I
She
formally
had,
as
you
know,
a
lot
of
different
facilities
all
over
the
city
and
she
was
able
to
kind
of
get
those
together
in
one
place.
With
this
new
facility
I
heard,
our
team
is
very
always
has
high
high
productivity,
great
outcomes.
They've
done
some
amazing
things
as
experts
in
the
courts
in
terms
of
very
difficult
and
challenging
cases.
I
She
has
a
great
relationship
with
all
of
her
Partners
state,
federal
and
local
and
I'll
stop
there,
but
I
think
that
we
all
agreed
that
she
would
be
a
wonderful
I'm,
not
big,
on
naming
buildings
after
a
person,
but
I
do
believe
in
this
case.
It's
it's
worthy
and
I
think
to
kind
of
give
her
flowers,
if
you
will,
while
she's
still
here
while
she's
alive,
and
she
can
really
benefit
from
that.
That's
what
we
kind
of
discussed
and
what
led
us
to
this
place.
K
H
A
Very
good
any
further
discussions.
Questions
concerns
all
right,
seeing
that
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye.
A
All
right
nice,
thank
you,
Chief,
Reynolds
and
mayor
for
bringing
that
to
our
attention.
I
received
an
email
and
some
discussion
with
councilmember
Sacrament
regarding
a
Charleston
Police
Department
horse
who
was
killed
in
the
line
of
duty
and
one
of
his
I
think
she's,
one
of
your
constituents,
councilmember
Renee
and
I
thought.
I
saw
Renee's,
name
pop
up
somewhere.
A
You
give
us
a
little
bit
of
background
on
on
what
she
was
questioning
about
and
wanted
us
to
pursue
sure.
D
Thank
you
chair,
so
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
share
this
Renee
Harvey
is
a
constituent
of
mine.
I
have
reached
out
to
to
Chief,
Reynolds
and
I
believe
Mr
Dubose
is
on.
We
had
a
meeting
with
also
with
William
krutzick,
not
sure,
that's
how
you
pronounce
it
but
gretzek
from
from
the
PD
long
story.
D
Short
Renee
is
a
constituent
she
has
grown
up
in
Charleston
fondly
remembers
our
Mounted
Police
Force
and
I'm,
just
thankful
that
you
all
brought
that
back
because
folks
in
Wagner
Terrace
and
that
part
of
the
peninsula
that
live
around
Hampton
Park
Terrace
love
to
see
it
out
and
have
fond
memories.
When
she
was
growing
up,
there
was
a
horse
that
she
would
see
at
the
Stables.
The
horse's
name
was
moonshine.
Moonshine
was
struck
by
a
drunk
driver
in
West
Ashley
in
1994,
in
the
line
of
duty.
D
Subsequently
in
New,
York
Times
did
a
story
on
this.
So
if
you
all
do
a
little
Google
research,
it's
actually
pretty
fascinating.
D
So
the
big
things
that
we're
asking
for
is
a
proper
burial
for
for
moonshine
to
find
out
if,
where
where
in
Hampton
Park
moonshine
is
buried
as
well
as
maybe
possibly
finding
out
where
some
of
the
other
horses
are
buried
or
told
some
are
in
brittle
blank.
Some
are
in
Hampton
Park.
D
So
the
two
things
that
we're
trying
to
determine
is
a
proper
burial
memorial
for
moonshine
and
some
of
the
other
horses
that
died
in
the
line
of
duty
and
and
number
two
finding
out
where
moonshine
is
actually
buried
in
Hampton
Park
but
I.
D
You
know
at
first
when
I,
when
Renee
reached
out
to
me
my
impression
was:
you
know
this
is
certainly
an
important
thing
to
go
up
to
look
after,
but
after
talking
with
Mr
Dubose
and
Mr
Mr
grutzick
and
just
doing
more
research,
you
know
we
should
treat
these
horses
as
as
fallen
heroes.
I
mean
they
are
part
of
the
police
department
and,
sadly,
moonshine
died
by
by
a
drunk
driver.
D
I
guess
my
request
of
of
this
is
to
ask
a
PD
and
myself
and
Renee
to
try
to
work
again.
Mr
Dubose
mentioned
that
if
we
do
some
sort
of
work
with
CFC
that
could
help
identify
where
the
horse
is
in
Hampton
Park
through
some
sort
of
sonar
or
whatever
they
used.
We
had
this
discussion
and
then
number
two
I.
D
Is
happy
to
help
Spirit
at
this?
Let's
help
raise
some
money
to
put
a
proper
burial
Memorial
plaque
at
Hampton
Park
for
moonshine
and
I
would
say
some
of
the
other
horses
that
I
didn't
want
to
do.
A
Cpd
but
yeah
I
I,
didn't
know
realize
that
there
was
a
New
York
Times
article
written
about
moonshine,
so
I
need
to
go,
follow
that
up
and
see
but
you're
right
I
mean
these
horses
are
are
beloved
and
they
do
serve
a
huge
Community
Service
for
a
lot
of
reasons,
and
we
just
re-implemented
that
that
program
I
understand
I'm
surprised
to
hear
that
horses
were
buried
locally.
A
That
had
to
be
quite
an
undertaking
to
create
a
burial
ground
for
these
animals.
They
they
are
huge
animals
and
I
can
imagine
the
technical
part
of
doing
all
that
had
to
take
some
undertaking
and
chief
Walker,
you
nodding
a
little
bits.
I'm
assuming
you
have
some
more
inside
information
on
on.
N
A
Can
we
just
get
an
update,
maybe
in
a
within
a
month's
time
and
and
work
with,
do
does
do
we
have
Renee's
contact
information,
yeah.
D
I
mean
Renee
myself
and
Mr
Dubose
were
on
a
a
call,
as
well
as
Mr
gritsuck
from
the
police
department
and
I.
Think
we're
simply
just
wanting.
You
know
recognition
from
from
this
committee
to
to
basically
charge
PD
with
starting
to
figure
out
how
to
identify
where
moonshine
is
buried
and
then
partly
number
two
is
Raising.
Some
money
with
our
parks
department
to
place
a
proper
Memorial
or
plaque
somewhere
in
in
Hampton,
Park
I.
Think
the
mayor
had
the
same.
K
No,
no,
this
one
again,
if
you
don't
mind,
thank
you
chairman,
so
so
I
would
like
to
advise
Council
that
we
hope
to
have
at
a
pretty
amazing
artistic
addition
that
honors
horses
and
it
may
be
a
gift
to
the
city
that
we
could
have
could
acquire
later
this
year
and
and
my
my
initial
thought
is
to
to
have
this
sculpt,
it's
going
to
be
a
sculpture
at
Hampton,
Park
and,
of
course,
that
relates
to
the
history
of
Hampton
Park
as
being
a
a
race
track
for
horses
right
and
and
we
will
have
a
great
opportunity,
councilmember
Sacrament,
along
with
that
statue,
to
do
just
the
kind
of
memorialization
that
that
your
you're
you're,
referring
to
here,
could
come
together
quite
nicely.
K
You
know
so
stay
tuned
I'll
be
able
to
let
you
all
know
a
little
a
little
more
about
that
when
we
confirm
the
gift,
but
it
could
be
a
very
nice
wonderful
addition
to
Hampton,
Park,
I,
can't
think
of
a
more
appropriate
place
and
to
honor
our
horses
that
have
served
our
city
and
our
citizens,
along
with
that
would
be
just
just
the
right
thing
to
do.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
Thank
you.
I.
A
See
councilmember
Brady
has
a
sand
raised
and
don't
get
back
to
the
chief.
G
A
I
I,
don't
know,
that's
actually
why
I
raised
my
hand
if
I
could
I
just
wanted
to
thank
council
member
sakron
for
initiating
this
with
Renee
Sergeant
gritzick
is
leading
our
current
mounted
Patrol
and
Sergeant.
Dubose
is
kind
of
our
historian
he's.
Actually,
since
I've
been
here,
Craig
has
gotten
three
new
officers
names
on
the
wall
in
DC
and
on
our
wall
here
in
Charleston,
so
even
our
officers,
our
fallen
heroes
was
not
up
to
date.
I
It
is
now
we're
doing
some
new
things
in
headquarters
in
our
training
room
and
it's
interesting,
councilmember
Brady
that
you
connect
this
to
Canine,
because
canines
are
very
similar
in
that
they
are
heroes.
They
are
beloved.
I
They
are
the
ones
that
are
typically
on
the
front
edge
of
our
toughest,
most
difficult
challenges
and
problems,
and
no,
we
do
not
have
a
current
wall
for
our
canines,
but
I
would
love
to
have
it
and
when
council
member
sack
Akron
brought
this
to
my
attention,
I
immediately
said:
yes,
please
we're
all
in
and
I
would
add
that
to
Canine
and
our
foundation.
Lens
is
actually
looking
at
ways
that
they
can
pay
for
dog,
food
and
medical
bills
and
other
things
when
they
get
retired.
I
The
family
typically
adopts
them,
but
we
as
a
city,
don't
necessarily
have
funding
for
those
things,
so
our
foundation
actually
is
beginning
to
do
some
things
there,
which
I
think
is
really
important,
and
so
we're
I'm
all
in
I,
think
it's
very
worthy
to
be
very
well
received.
I,
see
Zero
negatives
and
a
lot
of
positives
to
to
doing
more
in
these
areas.
This.
A
Is
a
matter
of
curiosity
Chief?
What
is
the
service
span
of
of
canines?
How
long
do
we
keep
them
in
service.
I
They
and
there's,
as
you
know,
extensive
training
to
get
them
fully
operational.
They
have
to
get
certified
and
they're
they're
pretty.
It's
amazing,
the
talent
that
the
handlers
and
the
dogs
have
here
in
the
City
of
Charleston
they're,
actually
starting
to
train
within
the
region
and-
and
so
there's
a
lot
to
that
program.
They
just
had
something
in
North
Charleston
at
the
Coliseum,
a
ceremony
for
I,
believe
it
was
the
aviation
Authority
one
of
their
dogs
and
we
had
representation
there
and
it
was
really
nice
and
so
I
do
believe.
I
There's
a
lot
more.
We
need
to
do
I
think
it's
a
great
opportunity,
it's
kind
of
something
that
we
are
missing
right
now.
G
I
did
and
that,
and
thank
you
for
that,
Chief
and
Mr
chairman,
that
that
kind
of
gets
to
my
point
that
I
kind
of
my
light
bulb
went
off.
Was
you
know,
since
we
do
use
animals,
you
know
canines
and
horses
and
assisting
the
police
department,
and
you
know
helping
police,
the
city
and
crowd,
control
and
dangerous
situations.
G
G
If
we
were
already
going
to
have
the
space
anyway,
it
might
might
be
beneficial
to
kind
of
co-locate
it
that
way,
as
people
are
thinking
about
both
the
horses
and
canines
together,
you
kind
of
get
a
full
picture
of
how
we
supplement
our
human
officers
in
the
police
department
and
that
you
know
it's
just
as
dangerous
for
our
human
officers
as
it
is
more
the
animals
that
assist
us.
A
Yep
good
idea,
good
idea,
good
discussion,
so
councilman,
a
second
I'm
gonna
call
on
you
to
give
us
a
update
in
about
30
or
60
days.
If
that's,
okay
with
you.
D
D
I'm
trying
to
help
help
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
know
what
I'm
being
asked
to
do
to
update.
So
are
we
waiting
on
mayor?
Can
I
get
with
you
to
figure
out
what
that
could
potentially
look
like
at
Hampton,
Park
and
kind
of
dovetail
to
councilman
Brady's
piece
around
the
canines.
D
Well,
thank
you
Chief
one
last
piece
and
there
is
already
an
existing
plaque
at
Hampton
Park.
So
this
speaks
to
this
effort
actually
was
started
at
some
point.
There's
like
five
horses
on
the
plaque,
but
the
plaque
is
buried
behind
some
trees
and
it's
really
not
that
visible.
So
at
some
point
the
city
initiated
this.
We
just
haven't
kept
up
with
it,
so
I,
like
councilman
Brady's
idea
of
combining
the
canines
and
the
horses
and
I
will
be
back
in
60
days
or
30
days,
Peter,
with
a
with
an
update.
A
By
the
way,
I'm
getting
text
messages,
are
we
canceling
the
real
estate
committee
meeting?
We
just
moved
it
to
3
30.
A
A
Got
depends
on
my
phone
popped
up
said
it
canceled
I'm,
not
sure
what
that
meant.
Anyhow,
all
right,
one
more
one
last
item
I
wanted
to
bring
up
and
I've
had
the
pleasure
of
interacting
with
animal
control
officer,
Courtney
Bales,
recently
I've
gotten.
Several
questions
concerns
complaints
of
our
friendly
alligator
popping
his
or
his
head,
its
head
out
of
a
ditch
over
by
fire
station
number
I.
A
Think
11,
and
this
is
like
the
second
time,
I
think
that
this
alligator
has
been
coming
around
at
a
10-foot
alligator,
so
I
just
wanted
to
give
the
public
some
idea
of
what
we're
doing.
With
this
thing
and
the
limitations
that
we
have
regarding
this
and
officer
bills,
I
see
you
you've
logged
in
on
us.
Thank
you.
A
E
Yeah,
absolutely
so
hi
everyone,
my
name
is
Courtney
Bales
I'm.
The
supervisor
of
the
animal
control
unit
I've
had
the
privilege
of
speaking
to
the
councilman
here
a
few
times
about
this
particular
I.
Guess
he's
caused
quite
a
stir.
I.
E
Have
some
I
guess
non-local
people
that
aren't
used
to
seeing
alligators
in
such
close
proximity
to
houses,
but
we're
in
the
South?
We
have
them.
One
thing:
I
stress
to
people
any
alligator
call.
Is
you
can
pretty
much
assume
that
any
body
of
water
most
likely
has
an
alligator
in
it?
E
E
To
put
it
very,
very
simply
we're
we're
not
pest
control,
so
we
mainly
are
here
to
address
domestic
animal
related
issues,
so
dogs,
cats
abuse
neglect
nuisance,
domestic
animals,
like
aggressive
dogs
or
dogs,
constantly
running
at
large
onto
other
people's
property.
Things
like
that.
We
also
do
respond
to
injured
and
sick
or
orphan
Wildlife.
So
especially
Springtime.
E
We
get
a
lot
of
orphaned,
raccoons
possums
things
like
that,
but
that,
as
far
as
Wildlife,
the
biggest
part
of
what
we
do
with
regarding
Wildlife,
that's
kind
of
the
extent
of
what
we
do
as
far
as
raccoons,
in
people's
attics
or
under
their
decks.
Things
like
that,
squirrels
get
the
porch
That's,
the
private
sector
that
is
handled
by
nuisance.
Wildlife
company
goes
for
alligators
same
idea.
It's
you
know.
E
Some
party
or
citizen
I
mean
that
it's
a
nuisance,
for
whatever
the
case
may
be
DNR,
does
not
really
respond
much
to
nuisance
alligators.
Unless
there
was,
you
know
a
bit
or
attacked
that,
but
they
they
pretty
much,
leave
it
up
to
the
private
sector.
So
we
have
followed
dnr's
lead
on
that.
You
do
the
same
thing.
E
Dnr,
like
I
said,
is
not
allowed
relocation,
so
we
we
have
nowhere
to
take
him
wherever
he
has
placed
himself
is
where
he
gets
to
stay
until
he's
decided
that
he
wants
to
move
on
to
somewhere
else
or
until
someone
decides
to
pay
for
a
private
company,
use
a
tag
and
remove
that
alligator
and
it
is,
and
then
there's
proper
protocol
for
how
to
animal.
E
After
that,
when
we
do
interact
with
alligators
is
when
there
is
an
immediate
Public
Safety
concern,
meaning
it
is
in
someone's
driveway
it's
on
the
front,
porch
it's
in
their
swimming
pool
and
most
of
the
time
this
attracts
a
pretty
big
crowd,
because
this
is
not
normal.
So
we
have
the
public
present.
E
We
have
kids
present,
one
of
the
ones
that
I've
gone
to
the
alligator
was
in
someone's
yard
right
next
to
a
bus
stop
and
the
bus
was
coming
in
like
the
next
10
minutes,
or
so
we
were
going
to
have
all
these
kids
getting
off
the
bus.
So
obviously
that's
an
immediate
Public
Safety
concern.
We
don't
need
the
public
interacting
with
this
animal.
It's
illegal
and
we
don't
want
anyone
getting
bit.
We
don't
know
anyone's
pet
getting
bit.
E
So
that's
where
we
come
in.
We
address
that
we
will
move
the
alligator.
We
have
certain
parameters
of
where
we
can
move
that
I
say
move
meaning
it
needs
to
stay
on
the
same
property.
So,
for
example,
if
I,
if
I
am
within
an
HOA
I,
can
put
that
alligator
within
a
pond
within
the
HOA
I
can't
transfer
from
you
know
the
HOAs
property
down
the
road.
What
else
is
that
has
a
pond?
E
That's
where
they
Define
relocation
and
say
that
that's
not
allowed
I
can
relocate
in
the
sense
from
this
person's
property
within
the
neighbor
HOA
to
behind
their
house.
There's
a
pond,
so
I
can
move
it
to
there
and
be
within
the
permit
that
we
have
been
given
by
DNR
as
far
as
what
you
do
once
that
alligator's
back
in
the
pond.
If
you
want
to
go
down
to
the
water's
edge
to
their
territory
and
walk
your
dog
there
that
that's
on
you
I
can't
stop
you
from
doing
that.
E
I
would
suggest
against
it,
but
that's
kind
of
what
we
stress
and
what
we
explain
to
the
public
anytime.
We
have
an
alligator
call
and
and
how
to
safely
coexist
with
these
animals,
because,
like
I
said
we
do
have
them.
We
have
HOAs
love
to
build
ponds
in
neighborhoods,
so
we
have
alligators
moving
into
neighborhoods
and
there's
going
to
continue
to
be
that
interaction
for
the
foreseeable
future.
E
A
Also
Bill,
thank
you
for
that
and
my
district
is
right
up
to
incorporates
Charlestown
landing
and
sometimes
I
think
I'm
in
the
Wild
Kingdom
we
have
foxes
walking
around
in
our
literally
I
mean
we
see
them
in
the
morning.
They're
coming
out
of
a
drainage,
ditches
and
raccoons
are
certainly
abundant.
Coming
off
off
Marsh
area.
Yes,.
E
A
Buzzards
over
there
and
now
alligators
and
I,
don't
know
if
those
alligators
sort
of
was
an
inhabitant
of
Charleston
Landing.
At
some
point,
it
made
its
way
out
of
a
a
ditch
or
a
pond,
but
it
is.
It
does
cause
a
lot
of
story
and
a
lot
of
concerns
for
folks,
particularly
people
who
may
be
walking
or
jogging
and
at
nighttime
you're,
not
you're,
not
gonna
have
any
light
to
see
the
danger
of
running
across
this
alligator.
A
So
information
is
always
important,
also
bales
that
we
can
pass
on
to
our
our
citizens
and
I
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
do
that.
A
I
saw
that
you
had
your
hand
up
at
one
point.
This
is
right
next
to
your
father
station,
so
I
don't
want
any
of
your
firefighters
Society.
They
want
to
wrestle
with
an
alligator
out
there.
H
A
I
said:
11.
I'm,
sorry,
it's
12.
right!
So
I
presume
your
your
guys
are
very
much
aware
aware
of
of
our
friendly
alligator
and.
A
I
think
didn't
we
post
also
bail
some
signs.
E
A
I
thought
I
saw
that
the
other
day,
but
on
Saturday
I
checked
and
our
alligator
friend
was
gone,
I'm,
not
sure
what
happened
to
between
fraudine
and
Saturday,
but
it's
no
longer
there.
So
any
anybody
else
have
a
question
for
officer
Bales
and
those
of
us
who
live
in
West
Ashley
must
be
more
of
An
Occurrence
that
we
than
we
imagine
based
on
where
we
are
located.
A
But
you
know
creeks
and
swamps
and
and
marshes
and
I
I,
just
presume
that
these
guys
are
looking
for
something
to
eat
and
hopefully
not
a
small
animal
of
any
sort
that
a
pet
I
think
along
those
lines
so
also
bills.
Thank
y'all,
I,
don't
see
the
other
yeah
Chief.
You've
got
your
hand
up
I.
I
Just
want
to
take
the
opportunity
to
publicly
acknowledge
Courtney
and
her
team,
very
small
group
of
people
who
do
a
wonderful
job.
You
can
hear
from
her
presentation
how
competent
she
is,
how
confident
she
is
every
day.
It's
amazing
the
number
of
problems
that
they
saw,
the
the
just
Litany
of
challenges
that
they
face
and
they
get
really
creative
and
they
do
a
phenomenal
job
and
I.
Just
it's
it's
emblematic
of
the
great
employees
we
have
in
our
city,
certainly
in
our
department
and
I.
I
Just
I
can't
say
enough
good
about
Courtney
in
particular,
and
just
her
passion
for
helping
others
solving
problems
for
the
animals
that
we
interact
with.
You
can't
teach
that
I
mean
she's,
really
really
talented
and,
as
you
could
tell
as
a
great
attitude,
and
just
always
always
is
out
there
getting
the
job
done
and
couldn't
be
more
grateful
for
her
and
her
team.
A
I
think
also
bills.
We
sat
next
to
one
another
at
the
salute
to
the
blue
and
you
will
recognize
with
what
another
member
of
your
team
yeah
I
could
just
I
can
just
tell
everybody:
don't
mess
with
officer
bails
she
wrestles
with
our
alligators,
so
you
don't
want
to
mess
with
her.
So
just
word
of
caution.
H
Just
very
quickly
when
Chief
Reynolds
gave
his
words
of
appreciation,
I
was
actually
just
getting
ready
to
do
the
same
most
recently
at
the
apartment
fire
on
maryader
I.
H
Think
about
two
weeks
ago,
I
had
watching
officer
Bales
and
her
team
work
non-stop,
moving
animals
out
of
the
the
The
Hot
Zone
and
transporting
them
away
from
the
Granger
area
and
I'm
not
sure
where
she
was
putting
them,
but
she
was
working
non-stop
and
it's
not
the
first
time
I've
seen
her
own
emergency
incident
doing
that
type
of
thing,
and
it's
it's
really
nice
to
see.
It's.
A
Just
one
of
those
divisions
within
CPD,
we
don't
think
much
about
until
you
need
them,
and
so
part
of
this
really
was
just
to
give
us
a
little
more
educational
background.
Information
and
also
bills
is
very
responsive.
To
my
calls,
I
appreciate
you
doing
that
all
surveills
and
you
know:
okay,
all
right.
We've
got
another
meeting
to
go
to
it
in
two
and
a
half
minutes.
C
Yes,
sir
I'll
I'll
be
quick.
I
was
also
going
to
mention
officer
Bales
in
that
that
I
was
at
this
Colonial
Grand
apartment
fired,
which
was
a
major
fire
that
we've
had
since
this
last
meeting.
But
I
wanted
to
thank
a
lot
of
people
for
this,
the
the
cooperation
that
was
done.
C
There
was
just
phenomenal
from
what
I
understand
there
was
no
loss
of
human
life
or
any
human
injuries
at
all,
and
it
was
just
just
phenomenal
to
see
how
Chief
Courier
works
with
Chief
lamoreau
from
Saint
Andrews
fire
department
and
the
North
Charleston
fire
department.
Was
there
working
along,
of
course,
with
our
Fire
Marshals,
our
police
fire
EMS,
all
the
support
groups
from
firefighters,
as
I
said,
animal
services
and
Red
Cross?
C
It
was
amazing
to
see
how
many
people
came
together
and
how
well
organized
that
was
how
quickly
they
were
able
to
get
that
fire
under
control.
And
you
know
the
way
our
police
officers
work
with
people
who
had
lost
their
home
and
contents
and
I
think
Captain.
Christy
McFadden
was
in
charge
of
all
that
she
did
an
outstanding
job
of
organizing
everything,
but
it
was
also
kind
of
cool
to
see
our
state-of-the-art
drones
go
into
action
too.
C
Chief
Curry
allowed
me
to
see
that
and
see
how
those
things
can
zero
in
on
where
the
hot
spots
are
and
how
to
control
that
fire.
Those
things
are
just
a
game
changer.
As
far
as
I
know,
I
mean
I'm
I'm,
obviously
not
an
expert
at
it,
but
from
what
I
saw
that
that's
a
game,
changer
and
I
think
we're
getting
our.
C
You
know
our
return
on
investment
from
our
arpa
funds
that
that
were
spent
there,
because
it
was
just
it
was
incredible
to
see
so
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
everybody
who
cooperated
in
that
and
did
an
outstanding
job
of
controlling
that
fire
and
helping
our
constituents
at
the
same
time.
So,
thank
you
so
much.
A
Thank
you,
councilman
bashilian.
Unfortunately,
we
had
a
fire
over
in
the
Palms
Apartment
I
guess.
Over
a
year
ago,
there's
been
and
then
likewise
councilman,
assuming
the
the
level
of
professionalism,
coordination
with
the
other
fire
departments
and
our
police
department
and
other
our
agencies
has
just
really
you
hate
to
have
a
fire,
but
it
gives
us
a
whole
different
level
of
comfort
to
know
that
level
of
professionalism
from
all
all
of
our
our
partners
in
this,
and
it's
we're
very
grateful
and
for
our
Chiefs
and
our
departments
that
they
had.
A
So.
Thank
you
all
very
much
for
all
of
that.
Okay,
we
got
to
get
to
another
committee
meeting
on
real
estate.
I'll
see
some
of
you
folks
on
on
that
meeting.
I
appreciate,
there's
a
very
good
discussion
today
and
we'll
be
back
in
touch
and
there'll
be
no
for
the
business
we
are
adjourned.
Thank
you
all
very
much.