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City of Charleston Committee on Public Safety 2/13/2023
A
B
A
Let's
just
wait
a
few
more
seconds
and
before
we
get
started.
D
I,
let
me
look
at
that.
Sorry,
I.
D
A
Okay,
let's
do
it
with
a
few
more
seconds
and
let's
see
if
we
pick
up
two
more
council
members
have
we
heard
from
them
from
anybody
from
the
clerk's
office,
whether
or
not
they're
joining
us.
A
Councilman
Mitchell
good
afternoon
good
afternoon,
I'm
going
to
call
on
you
to
lead
us
in
either
a
moment
of
silence
or
a
brief
invocation.
If
you
don't
mind,
please,
sir
I
hear
you.
A
I'm
gonna
call
the
order
of
the
Public
Safety
Committee
meeting
February
13
2023
is
a
few
minutes
after
two
o'clock
and
welcome
everybody
who
was
joining
us.
Thank
you
for
your
participation
and
councilwoman
Mitchell.
Would
you
do
the
honors
of
leaving
us
either
in
the
moment
of
silence
or
in
a
brief
invocation.
G
A
Thank
you
for
that.
All
right,
our
wonderful
legal,
advisoria
Copeland.
You
will
lead
us
in
the
discussion
regarding
the
orders,
should
have
been
chapter
21
noise
division
soundtracks
to
include.
A
Second,
any
any
opposed
any
further
discussion,
all
in
favor,
say
aye,
all
right,
all
right,
Miss,
Copeland.
D
So
this
ordinance,
the
mayor,
asked
that
we
modify
and
end
this
ordinance
to
actually
bring
it
up
to
date
and
it
hasn't
been
modified
since
75,
when
I
believe
political
candidates
used
to
ride
around
in
cars
with
big
old
speakers
on
the
top
of
the
cars
announcing
their
run
for
office.
D
So
this
is
actually
we've
amended
this
to
alter
the
definition
of
soundtrack
itself,
to
not
only
include
motor
vehicles
and
horse-drawn
vehicles,
but
any
mode
of
transportation,
and
also
allowing
for
the
fact
that
it
doesn't
have
to
be
attached
to
the
vehicle
it
can
be
sitting
on
the
roadside
next
to
it
and
plugged
into
the
vehicle
itself
so
we're
this
will
allow
us
to
capture
anything.
That's
got
a
speaker
attached
to
it
or
someone
who's
driving
around
with
a
bullhorn.
A
Right,
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
item
number
three
yeah:
let's
get
a
motion
first
and
we
can
open
it
up
for
questioning.
D
No
sir,
it's
any
noise.
Any
noise
emitting
from
what's
called
the
soundtrack
here,
so
it
would
require
a
permit.
I
do
believe
in
order
to
use
any.
A
I
think
this
will
make
our
friends
at
the
federal
courthouse
happy.
There
seems
to
be
a
particular
individual
who
likes
to
cruise
Broad
Street
from
time
to
time,
with
Amplified
noise
and
emitting
from
from
his
that
person's
vehicle.
My
office
was
on
Broad
Street.
It
was
very
clear.
I
could
hear
him
almost
a
mile
away
seemed
like
whatever
he
was
broadcasting.
So
how
does
this
and
I
hate
to
bring
this
out
Julia
and
you
could
be
able
to
give
me
a
smirky
smile.
I
know
with
our
other
issues.
A
Dealing
with
with
noise
in
in
general
I
know
we
had
a
brief
discussion
about
it.
It
kind
of
went
by
the
wayside,
but
Amplified
noise
I'm
still
getting
complaints
from
my
constituents
from
what
the
water
travel,
Noise,
music,
Amplified,
music
and
I
like
to
renew
that
discussion.
At
some
point
it
has
not
gotten
any
worse,
but
it
hadn't
gotten
any
better
either.
So
that's
maybe
another
day
for
another
discussion,
but
I
do
just
want
to
bring
that
back
up
for
talk
at
some
point
later
on.
D
That's
something
we
would
need
to.
We
would
need
to
have
some
discussions
with
the
owners
of
that
particular
venue,
but
yes,
we
can
certainly
bring
you
those
conversations.
One.
G
Driving
around
with
these
motorcycle,
loud
music
and
loud
noise,
is
that
part
of
it
also.
D
D
That's
also,
that's
always
been
an
issue
with
our
noise
earthlings
in
general,
it's
discretionary,
but
yes,
that
that
this
will
not
change
that
that
issue
that
our
officers
are
currently
dealing
with.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
any
other
discussion
CNN
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye,
any
opposed
all
right
eyes
have
it
for
this
past.
Thank
you
for
that
quick
update.
Our
next
item
is
an
update
in
presentation
regarding
the
racial
bias.
Audit
I've
invited
Mr
Jerome
Harrah.
You
see
on
your
screen
to
listen
into
this
and
I
may
ask
him
for
his
input
as
well.
At
some
point:
homosa
Harris,
how
you
doing
sir
good
all
right,
I,
think
Deputy
walker,
deputy
chief
Walker,
is
going
to
give
us
a
the
initial
update
on
this.
H
Yes,
sir
I'll
kick
it
off
and
then
pass
it
off.
Chairman
I
appreciate
it
good
afternoon,
council
members
in
January
of
2019,
the
City
of
Charleston
selected,
the
CNA
Institute
for
public
research
to
conduct
an
assessment
audit
of
CPD.
H
H
Have
a
one
of
the
recommendations
was
withdrawn
as
it
was
clarified
before
the
report
was
published,
the
five
areas
that
were
assessed
are
traffic
stops
to
include
Field
contact
cards,
use
of
force,
deadly
and
non-deadly
the
complaint
process,
internal
and
external
Community
oriented
policing
practices,
recruiting
hiring
promotions
and
personal
Personnel
practices.
H
It
was
agreed
upon
that
CPD
would
provide
periodic
updates
on
our
progress
and
the
Public
Safety
Committee
will
be
the
platform
for
those
updates.
During
the
last
update
last
year,
we
had
nine
outstanding
recommendations
that
were
still
a
work
in
progress.
We
also
had
a
vacancy
in
the
procedural
Justice
directors
positions.
H
To
date,
we've
made
significant
progress
into
outstanding
recommendations.
98
is
complete,
with
Captain
crotello
will
cover
for
us
and
as
a
report
and
as
reported
in
September
through
this
committee
and
the
community
Ms
deal,
itson
has
been
hired
to
fill
the
procedural
Justice
director's
vacancy
and
with
that
said,
I
would
turn
it
over
to
Captain
tele
for
an
update,
allow
Bruce
remarks
by
Miss
Edson
and
take
some
questions
after
the
fact.
If
there
are
any.
A
A
Before
I
turn
it
over
to
Captain
patella,
you
mentioned
98
completion
out
of
out
of
the
nine.
What
what
does
that
equate
to.
H
And
Captain
crotella
will
cover
that
in
his
in
his
presentation.
Councilman,
okay,.
A
H
Right,
the
only
outstanding
one
that
we
have
is
the
third
party
assessment,
but,
like
I,
said,
he'll
he'll
cover
what
was
still
outstanding.
I
Thank
you,
sir.
So
out
of
all
the
recommendations,
we
have
37
recommendations
that
have
breached
the
status
of
full
compliance
with
an
annual
review,
and
what
that
means
is
that
we
have
satisfied
the
recommendation.
However,
these
topics
are
so
important
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
review
them
annually.
Some
examples
of
these
might
be
the
Constitutional
issues
and
motor
motor
vehicle
stops
policy,
our
response
to
resistance
policy
or
even
the
office
of
internal
affairs
policy.
I
Additionally,
33
recommendations
have
reached
the
status
of
full
compliance,
and
by
that
terminology
we
mean
that
we've
reached
the
recommendation,
and
there
is
nothing
further
for
us
to
do
with
that
recommendation.
An
example
of
that
would
be
adding
the
sanctity
of
Life
statement
within
applicable
policies,
and
that
could
either
have
been
the
response
for
resistance
policy
or
the
lethal
and
less
lethal
weapons
policy.
I
Another
example
would
be
adding
Clarity
in
our
Internal
Affairs
policy,
as
how
do
we
track
citizen
complaints
and
we
developed
a
supervisory
complaint
intake
process
which
has
been
formalized
and
once
again,
there's
no
further
action
on
that.
The
last
remaining
item
we
have,
which
is
the
last
two
percent-
that
DC
walk,
was
referring
to.
I
If
there's
one
recommendation,
that's
in
progress
and
that's
referring
to
the
third
party
review
I'm
happy
to
report
that
we
have
identified
a
State
University
that
we
are
in
communication
with
and
hoping
to
finalize
a
contract
with
it
for
this
review.
We
are
very
optimistic,
optimistic
cautiously,
though,
to
hopefully
have
it
presented
on
the
next
city
council
meeting.
I
A
Before
we
do,
that,
are
there
any
questions
before
we
get
the
possession
many
committee
members?
J
Thank
you.
It's
an
honor
to
meet
you
all
electronically.
My
name
is
captain
crisella
mentioned
is
Jill
itson
I'm.
Actually
a
researcher
and
background
I
moved
here
from
Philadelphia
after
being
there
for
17
years,
working
in
the
criminal
justice
system
in
the
courts
area
and
getting
my
doctorate
in
criminal
justice.
So
how.
J
Know
I'm
I
it's
heartbreaking,
but
they
had
a
really
great
season
and
I
hope
they
will
come
back
next
year
with
you
know
in
force,
but
yes,
but
I'm
I'm
still
thrilled
to
be
in
Charleston
I'm,
actually
originally
from
the
South
Carolina
area.
I
grew
up
in
in
Beaufort,
so
Charleston's
always
been
near
and
dear
to
my
heart,
excited
to
be
here
excited
to
work
in
practice
on
you
know,
using
data
and
metrics
to
try
to
improve
policy.
J
When
that
happens,
I'll
be
working
with
the
researchers
coming
in,
based,
on
my
background,
to
help
them
get
what
they
need
and
make
sense
of
the
data
and
really
help
us
try
to
try
to
incorporate
a
lot
of
the
suggestions
that
they
will
give
us
into
ongoing
monitoring
and
practice.
So
really
excited
to
be
here
and
hope
that
you
know
I
will
be
continually
working
with
you
all
right.
A
Any
questions
for
Jill
okay,
so
what
are
the
three
of
y'all
Where
Do
We,
Go,
From
Here?
What's
our
next
step,
and
you
you
mentioned
captain
that
there
were
I-
was
trying
to
take
notes
as
fast
as
you
were
talking,
but.
B
A
I
Okay,
do
you
get
satisfied
and
then
we
review
them
every
year,
and
then
we
have
our
33
recommendations
that
we've
satisfied
there's
nothing
else,
simply
for
us
to
do
with
them
and
that
would
have
been
added
the
sanctity
of
Life
statement,
adding
the
supervised
complaint
intake
or
not
grouping
certain
offenses
together
and
Internal
Affairs
processes.
So
33
of
those
there's
nothing
else.
We
can
do.
H
And
and
cussman
if
I
may
add
that
that's
the
biggest
piece
of
it,
that's
you
know,
that's
something
that
you
know.
We
definitely
had
to
research
and
find
a
a
third
objective
body
with
the
research
background
within
the
restraints
as
far
as
financed
getting
it
across
the
finish
line,
and
that's
where
we
are
now
so,
hopefully,
like
Tony
said
that'll
be
pretty
much
done.
Is
it's
not
really
a
check
box
with
this
assessment?
H
A
Mr
may
I
see
your
hand.
I
just
want
to
ask
one
more
follow-up
question
before
I
call
on
you,
there's
a
third
party
review
process
designed
to
review
all
the
record,
all
the
recommendations,
or
are
they
designed
to
just
to
review
those
ones
that
you
classified,
that
need
are
disturbing
of
an
annual
review.
No.
C
So
I
was
just
wondering
if
Captain
would
give
us
a
couple
more
examples
of
those
things
that
so
to
speak,
we've
completed
but
they're,
continuing
on
the
annual
review
and
I
presume
and
all
of
those
37
categories.
So
to
speak,
that
we've
set
up
some
kind
of
metric
or
some
kind
of
measurement
to
gauge
our
progress
and
that's
what
Jill
was
referring
to
that
she'll
be
digging
into.
C
But
a
couple
more
examples
of
that.
If
you
don't
mind.
I
Yes,
sir,
so
some
more
examples
would
be,
for
example,
our
Training
Division.
It
was
proposed
that
we
have
a
training
plan
a
year
ahead
of
time
and
that's
something
that
we've
actually
formalized
so
we've
always
had
training
here
within
the
Charleston
Police
Department.
However,
we
made
it
more
formalized.
We
have
a
training
plan
that
we
present
to
our
Deputy
Chiefs
and
to
the
Chief,
and
obviously
it's
not
in
stone
because
as
different
topics
come
up
new
case
law,
current
events
or
best
practices
that
might
need
for
additional
training.
I
Some
Community
recommendations
that
we've
had
to
address
is
having
a
community
policing
initiative
plan
the
same
with
the
training
plan.
While
we
have
a
plan
for
all
of
our
community
events,
is
writing
it
out
formally?
How
does
it
affect
the
community
and
how
does
it
build
Partnerships
within
the
within
the
community
and
also
the
police
department?
I
Some
other
ones
for
personnel
practices
dealt
with
the
promotion
process
and
we've
revamped
some
of
the
way
that
we've
administered
our
promotional
tools
and
also
administer
revamp
the
way
that
we've
actually
scored
our
promotions,
and
that
would
be
the
the
different
ranges
of
assessing
from
a
one
to
a
ten.
So
it's
really
getting
down
in
the
weeds.
But
it's
truly
affected
everything
from
our
promotional
testing
to
hiring
capabilities
to
what
we're
doing
out
in
the
field
almost
every
day.
C
My
memory
serves
me
correct
one
of
the
key
areas
that
we
focused
on
and
really
what
led
to
the
racial
bias
audit
in
the
first
place,
was
that
whole
matter
of
traffic
stops
I
didn't
attend
the
meeting,
but
I
saw
recording
already
of
that
webinar
that
y'all
did
last
week
about
traffic
stops
and,
admittedly,
if
I
remember
correct,
took
us
a
while
to
get
to
where
we
were,
you
know
accurately
or
doing
a
better
job
with
tracking
some
of
the
numbers
and
some
of
the
data.
C
So
and-
and
maybe
this
is
just
one
example-
what
what
are
the
areas?
You
know
you
say
we're
continuing
annual
review.
What
what
would
you
say
are
the
top
three
areas
that
that
still
need
the
most
attention
and
and
work
so
to
speak,
that
that
that
we're
engaged
with
of
those
37.
I
So,
from
my
perspective,
I
would
say
the
top
two
is
going
to
be
our
policies
as
we
review
those.
So
we
have
92
policies
at
the
police
department
and
probably
about
a
third
of
those
get
reviewed
on
an
annual
basis
and
that's
just
to
ensure
that
we're
up
to
date
with
case
law,
best
practices
and,
what's
ever
going
on
in
society
and
all
the
flip
side
of
that
would
be
our
data
sets.
I
You
know
we
weren't
extremely
data
driven
prior
to
us
because
we
didn't
have
the
capabilities
to
be
data.
Driven
now
that
we've
worked
with
the
state
on
our
citations,
they
had
to
have
a
special
checkbox
added
and
it
was
just
for
the
Charleston
Police
Department,
so
it's
a
state
citation,
but
just
for
us
they
created
this
checkbox
and
that's
helping
feed
this
data.
So
we
could
link
officers
to
see
who
were
stopping
where
we're
stopping
race,
gender.
I
The
reason
for
the
stop,
so
it's
all
coming
together
so
rather
than
the
three
areas
it'd
be
just
policies
and
pretty
much.
Our
data
sets
that
we're
going
to
focus
on
for
the
next
year
and
I
don't
want
to
say
that
one
policy
is
more
important
than
another,
because
that's
really
not
the
case,
so
it'd
be
pretty
much
like
I
said
just
the
policies
in
the
data
sets.
K
Yes,
mayor,
if
I
could
add
to
that,
we
have
looked
at
this
audit
as
a
Continuum.
If
we're
a
healthy
organization,
we're
always
doing
a
self
assessment.
So,
even
though
we
have
completed
the
majority
of
these
we've
all
said
to
ourselves,
we're
never
done,
there's
always
room
for
improvement,
there's
always
new
tools,
new
techniques,
new
technologies,
new
training
and,
as
you
asked
that
question
I
wrote
down
to
myself
use
of
force
as
an
example
the
duty
to
intervene.
K
We
have
a
program
that
I
think
you
might
be
someone
familiar
with
from
Georgetown
law,
school
and
some
other
groups.
That's
called
able
active
bystander
ship
in
law
enforcement
scenario,
Based
training,
where
we
actually
have
our
officers
go
through
scenarios
and
they
go
through
them
with
people
that
they
work
with
and
with
our
training
Cadre
and
actually
talk
about
what
they
would
do,
how
they
would
intervene
if
they're
faced
with
an
officer
who's,
doing
something
that
they
shouldn't
be
doing.
K
What
are
the
steps
they
would
take,
who
they
notify
and
they
actually
have
to
play
that
out
and
go
through
the
scenarios,
and
that's
just
one
example
of
how
training
has
modified
new
programs
occur.
Things
like
Pursuits
traffic
stops
Tony
already
hit
on,
but
our
audit
hit
on
having
a
recruiting
a
hiring
retention
plan
and
a
program,
but
we
have
one
it's
getting
notoriety
around
the
country
as
being
a
best
practice.
K
In
fact,
they're
asking
for
our
people
to
go
teach
other
departments
how
to
do
a
lot
of
these
things
from
the
city
of
Charleston,
but
that
doesn't
mean
we
can't
do
it
better.
That
doesn't
mean
that
we're
not
constantly
trying
to
improve,
even
though
we
have
a
national
model,
we
I
just
saw
Terry
Cherry
in
the
hallway
and
she's
constantly
thinking
of
new
ideas,
and
so
we're
constantly
wanting
to
reassess
our
audit
look
at
our
training,
our
policies,
how
we
do
things
why
we
do
things?
Is
it
translating
into
the
field?
Is
it
operationalized?
K
K
A
You
councilmember
Brady,
no
I'm
good,
Mr,
Harris
I've,
you,
you
and
I've
talked
briefly
over
the
weekend,
and
thank
you
for
for
joining
in.
Is
there
any
comments
that
you
wish
to
make
at
this
time?
Regarding
the
audit?
Well,.
L
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee
I'm,
actually
here
at
the
request
of
the
chair
of
the
CPAC
Paul
Tamborino.
As
you
know,
it's
the
CPAC
has
each
of
the
council,
members
and
the
mayor
have
representatives
of
a
way
to
see
that
you.
L
And
we've
been
charged
after
the
audit
has
been
put
in
place
all
right.
L
Well,
the
longest
short
of
it
is
Paul.
The
chairman
would
request
that,
particularly
each
of
the
members
of
this
subcommittee
of
this
standing
committee
be
in
communication
on
a
regular
basis
with
their
appointee
to
facilitate
the
members
of
the
committee
and
the
council
as
a
whole.
Being
aware
of
what
CPAC
is
doing
we're
in
an
advisory
relationship
with
the
Department.
L
We
work
closely,
particularly
with
Captain
patella
around
the
policies.
We
are
a
volunteer
group,
we're
pleased
to
have
Jillian
now
on
board
to
provide
some
support
for
us.
L
Some
of
the
recommendation
I
would
suggest
Captain
critella
if
the
recommendations
regarding
citizens,
involvement,
around
questions
of
policy
changes
and
directives
and
training
have
been
in
the
area
of
compliance.
It's
in
compliance
with
need
for
continued
review
and,
when,
like
we
would
like
to
have
all
of
the
seats
filled
on
CPAC
by
appointments
by
the
city
council
members.
So
we
have
enough
bodies
to
get
this
work
done.
I
appreciate
listening
in
and
we
look
forward
to
making
a
presentation.
L
The
chair
will
request
at
some
future
time
a
presentation
generally
about
CPAs
operation
and
what
we
can
do
to
be
of
assistance
to
the
committee
and
the
department.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
So.
L
L
Three
or
four
is
maybe
six
vacancies
with
at
least
three
of
them
being
vacancies
by
non-appointments
from
City
Council
Members.
We
can
provide
you
that
information
with
your
vacancies,
so
I
think
Jillian
has
that
list
and
we
can
provide
council
members
and
we
would
ask
if
you
need
assistance
in
identifying
individuals.
L
Our
suggestion,
for
example,
is
that
those
folks
who
have
gone
through
the
citizens,
police
academy
training
be
the
pool
from
which
we
draw
those
folks,
because
they
will
come
with
an
understanding
more
of
an
understanding
of
what
is
going
on
in
the
department.
L
We,
as
CPAC
may
be
able
to
provide
them
a
little
bit
more
context.
So
in
terms
of
some
challenges,
the
communities
within
implementation,
but
they
were
becoming
informed
and
that
would
be
very
helpful.
I
think
both
to
the
department
as
well
as
CPAC.
A
Thank
you,
that's
very
helpful
to
have
and
we'll
struggle
back
with
you
either
somebody
from
the
police
department
or
myself
will
sure
go
back
with
you
on
on
those
suggestions
and
appreciate
your
time
on
doing
that.
You've
been
very
much
engaged
in
this
process.
Mr
Harris
and
it's
really
quite
important,
somebody
of
your
caliber
to
to
volunteer
your
time
and
energy
on
on
this
and
your
expertise.
Thank
you
so
much
it's
important.
Thank
you.
A
So
let
me
ask
this
question:
we've
done
this
audit
and
we've
we've
been
in
compliance
with
the
majority
of
it
at
the
end
of
the
day.
What
is
it
telling
us?
What
does
this
audit
telling
us
are?
We
are
we
better
at
policing
than
we
were
five
years
ago?
A
Are
we
more
in
tune
with
citizens.
Concerns
I'll,
be
doing
some
things
better
than
we
weren't
doing
five
six
ten
years
ago,.
A
I
mean
it's:
we
did
an
audit
to
look
at
certain
particulars
we're
in
compliance
with
with
98
of
of
what's
been
recommended,
but
at
the
at
the
end
of
the
day.
What
is
the
interpretation?
What
does
that?
What
does
that
mean?
Are
we
an
overall,
better
Department
than
we
were
before,
or
so.
I
What
the
audit
has
supported
us
to
do,
I
would
say
in
two
things:
I
told
the
mayor
is
look
at
our
policies.
You
know,
even
though
we're
clear
certified
it's
really
and
also
in
conjunction
with
CPAC.
It
helped
us
form
the
relationship
with
CPAC,
but
also
really
looking
at
our
policies
to
make
sure
they're
up
to
date,
but
also
on
the
data
side.
I
would
say
if
we
didn't
have
the
audit,
we
wouldn't
be
where
we
are
in
terms
of
the
aggressiveness
that
we
had
to
pursue
these
changes
with
the
data,
especially
when
covet
hit.
I
You
know
when
covet
hit
the
world
pretty
much
shut
down,
but
we
were
still
going
full
steam
ahead
on
just
trying
to
get
this
data
extrapolated
from
the
many
systems
that
don't
talk
to
one
another
I'm
sure
I'm.
All
the
I.T
people
are
dying
right
now
because
I'm
using
the
correct
words,
but
you
know
these
Data
Systems
are
able
to
talk
to
one
another.
Now
they
could
pull
the
data
and
that's
linking
us
to
where
you
know
where
our
violent
crime
is
at,
where
we
need
to
be
policing
at
once.
I
Again,
we
had
ideas
of
that.
It
probably
wasn't
crystal
clear,
but
now
we're
better
data
driven
and
then
also
with
this
change
to
our
new
policy.
Excuse
me,
the
change
that
we
have
trap
or
motor
vehicle
stops
and
that's
going
to
also
change
our
data
as
well.
So
it
does
have
an
important
impact
on
the
community,
not
that
we're
treating
the
community
in
a
negative
way.
We
just
have
the
data
to
support
it
now.
H
And
it's
all
about
assessment,
you
know
it's
it's
very
important
that
we
do
self-assessments
every
periodically
through
throughout
you
know,
as
we
move
forward
we're
no
different
than
any
other
profession.
If
we,
if
we
don't
look
at
ourselves
and
see
if,
if
we're
incorporating
best
practices,
we
have
a
tendency
to
kind
of
fall
off
the
Wayside,
so
I
think
I.
Think
it's
really
good
like
Tony
said,
but
it's
all
about
best
practices
and
the
audit
allowed
us
to
do
that
and
making
sure
we
all
incorporating
best
practices.
Yeah.
J
And
if
I
may,
just
briefly
add
to
that,
I
think
that
that
question
that
you
asked
that
important
question
we're
going
to
get
some
more
insight
into
how
well
we're
doing
when
this
third
party
evaluator
comes
in
and
puts
an
objective
eye
on
what's
been
accomplished,
because
there's
I
can
tell
you
from
somebody
that
wasn't
involved
but
is
seeing
all
the
work
that
was
done.
There
was
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
accomplished
and
now
we
need
someone
to
come
in
and
tell
us.
J
You
know,
after
speaking,
with
multiple
parties
involved
in
the
audit,
both
internally
and
externally.
What
what
do
they
think
was
the
value.
What
do
they
see
meeting
Improvement
and
how
do
we
best
use
all
the
data
that
we've
collected
to
be
able
to?
You
know,
as
as
was
said
earlier,
operationalize
our
change
and
measure
it
going
forward.
K
I
would
also
just
add,
on
top
of
everything
that's
been
said
again,
it's
a
Continuum,
it's
about
a
relationship
with
our
community
people
like
Jerry
and
Paul,
tambrino
and
Doris,
and
all
the
people
that
were
on
the
call
last
week,
the
people
that
are
on
our
advisory,
Council
being
engaged
and
listening
to
their
community
members,
like
Terry
just
said
having
different
districts
in
the
city
represented
they're,
the
more
engaged
the
better
so
part
of
this
is
a
process
of
Engagement
of
discussion
of
a
collaboration.
K
We
talk
about
building
trust.
You
can't
really
do
that
unless
you
actually
have
a
conversation.
So
it's
not
just
the
police
department,
saying
hey
we're
doing
this,
it's
it's
it's
a
collaborative
effort
and
and
it's
an
ongoing
conversation.
It
involves
a
lot
of
different
people
and
the
more
that
we
open
that
up
the
more
that
we
were
better
for
it
and
it's
not
going
to
stop.
If
we
do
it
right,
this
is
going
to
continue.
A
Thank
you
chief
for
that
that
comment.
It
made
well
I'll
follow
back
up
on
that
later,
but
it
may
be
helpful
who's
going
to
show
up
tomorrow
at
city
council
meeting
to
make
this
presentation.
I
love,
Public,
Safety,.
A
Captain,
if
you
want
to
send
me
something
via
email,
I
can
probably
help
carry
a
lot
of
that
load.
I
was
trying
to
take
notes,
as
you
were
talking,
but
that
was
a
lot
of
information
that
that
we'll
just
parse
out.
So,
if
you
want
to
send
me
a
bullet
point,
I'll
be
glad
to
carry
that
that
for
you,
but.
I
A
This
this
is
a
discussion
only
as
an
update
on
this
and
I
appreciate
everybody's
input
and
hard
work.
This
is
not
something
we
obviously
take
lightly.
It
is
something
that's
been
like
they
said
ongoing
for
several
years.
So
thank
you
all
for
the
work
that
y'all
have
done
on
this
Jill
welcome
to
the
team
and
we'll
be
working
with
you
I'm
sure,
as
time
goes
by
all
right.
A
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
item
number
five
approval
to
submit
an
application
for
the
for
the
fiscal
year,
23
and
I
believe
Steve.
Are
you
going
to
carry
this
one
see
Roman.
B
A
E
Yes,
sir,
it's
a
little
over
200
250
000
that
we
would
receive
revenues
for
all
three
salaries
and
French
for
the
officers.
A
Very
good
I
think
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
is
that
correct,
yes,
yeah.
Any
discussion
on
item
number.
Five
all
right
call
for
the
vote,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye,
the
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
number
six
I
just
wanted
to
bring
this
to
everyone's
attention.
That
casual
was
sheily
myself.
The
mayor
of
course,
and
councilman
Rappel
attended
this
salute
to
the
blue
banquet
on
January
28th.
It
was
a
wonderful
evening.
A
We've
had
some
star-studded
participants
attend
the
meeting.
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
huge
shout
out
to
Ben
Navarro
and
his
group
of
the
folks
at
Charleston
Place,
put
on
quite
a
a
spread
for
those
in
attendance.
The
awards
given
out
were
well
received,
well
recognized,
really
just
very
engaging
process
and
important
to
hear
some
of
the
accomplishments
that
some
of
our
officers
made
throughout
the
the
year.
This
was
sponsored
by
the
lens
project,
and
that's
really.
A
I
sat
next
to
a
couple
of
recipients
to
recipients
who,
from
the
animal,
Control,
Department
very
young
and
very
engaging
young
women
who
were
well
deserved
in
of
their
recognition,
and
it
was
just
a
delightful
evening.
So
Chief
I
know,
if
you
wanted
anything
to
that
or
the
mayor.
It
was
just
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
to
the
attention
of
the
the
generosity
of
Charleston
Place
and
the
organizers
and
well-received
event
that
we
had
that
that
evening.
C
It
was-
and
you
know,
I
I
told
Chief
when,
when
we
were
standing
up
on
the
stage
to
give
out
an
award
or
two,
then
it
to
me.
C
It
felt
like
a
dream,
come
true
that
we
were
able,
in
such
fine
first-class
fashion,
to
honor
and
thank
those
men
and
women
who
are
serving
in
this
Police
Department
have
been
doing
a
great
job,
and
some
of
the
stories
that
were
told
that
went
along
with
those
rewards
Awards
were
were
just
amazing,
life-saving
in
some
cases,
truly
acting
as
Guardians
for
our
community
and
a
focus
on
community
policing
as
well.
C
So
all
the
kind
of
positive
things
we
want
to
instill
and
and
reward
and
recognize
in
our
department
and
to
do
it
in
such
a
again
such
a
first-class
fashion.
It
was
it
was
a
dream,
come
true.
It
was
really
great
and
and
Mr
Navarro.
He
wasn't
there
personally,
but
he
had
a
video
presentation
and
what
generosity
they
displayed
in
a
way.
It
really
helped
our
lens
foundation.
So
much
because
having
the
awards
banquet
is
something
that
lends
Foundation
won't.
C
That
means
that's
that
much
more
community
policing
efforts
that
we
can
help
fund
through
the
Lend
foundation,
so
that
there's
nothing
not
to
like
about
this
event
and
and
again
thankful
for
Ben's
generosity
as
well.
Thank
you.
F
F
It
was
absolutely
fantastic
and
it's
good
for
people
like
Peter
and
myself
and
and
others
to
be
able
to
sit
at
a
table
in
that
kind
of
atmosphere
as
well
and
and
hear
the
stories
and
like
the
mayor
was
saying
the
heroism
that
came
out
and
the
stories
I
mean
it.
It's
it's
incredible.
F
Some
of
the
things
that
our
law
enforcement
officers
do-
and
you
know
like
I,
said
we
can't
thank
them
enough
and
but
I
think
that
was
a
a
good
first-class
way
of
at
least
making
an
attempt
at
it.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
K
B
A
Right
well,
thank
you.
All
I
did
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
to
the
committee's
attention
and
we'll
talk
about
a
little
bit
more
tomorrow.
A
The
next
item
for
discussion
is
the
regarding
the
Memphis
Police
Department
and
Tyree
Nichols
I
didn't
want
a
public
safety
committee
meeting
to
pass
without
some
discussion,
obviously
of
what
happened
with
Mr
Nichols,
the
the
arrests
of
several
Memphis
police
officers,
and,
if
you
I'm
sure,
we've
we've
seen
the
videos
if
you
haven't
I,
would
certainly
encourage
you
to
do
that
not
of
any
pleasure
but
just
to
show
the
shocking
impact
of
of
what
happened
to
Mr
Nichols
and
his
death.
A
Several
days
after
he
was
assaulted,
just
a
totally
senseless
crime
committed
against
him.
The
impact,
obviously
on
the
community
impact
on
his
family,
the
police
department
and
the
authorities
seem
to
act
quickly
on
the
suspension,
investigation
and
eventual
arrests
and
I'm
sure
we
get
updates
from
time
to
time
us
at
the
ongoing
inquiry
and
the
other
people
who
were
involved.
It
just
sickened
you
as
to
what
happened.
I
appreciate
I've,
received
some
comments
and
I've
reached
out
to
certain
folks
in
the
community.
A
Mr
Harris
and
us
some
information
that
he
and
I
need
to
get
together
on,
haven't
begun
doing
that
drove.
A
Let's
continue
that
discussion,
but
I
did
want
to
bring
it
to
everyone's
attention
again
and
if
there's
any
other
discussion
about
that,
and
also
when
I
did
meet
with
Chief
runnels
and
had
discussions
with
him,
we
met
in
the
mayor's
office
in
preparation
for
any
response
that
may
have
occurred
from
the
arrest
in
the
release
of
of
the
video
that
Friday
night
and
through
that
weekend,
I
think
20
and,
of
course,
I
saw
20
folks
gathered
at
Marion
Square
over
the
weekend.
A
But
we
were
prepared
in
the
event
of
unpermitted
Gatherings
or
anything
that
may
have
come.
I
I
A
Just
wanted
to
make
that
presentation
to
the
committee
and
certainly
will
open
up
and
I
know
that
the
chief
Reynolds
was
interviewed
several
times
and
if
you
made
us
want
to
share
a
little
bit
about
your
comments
regarding
that
and
the
police
response.
A
K
Sure
I
I
followed
this
even
before
it
hit
the
news.
I
had
heard
about
it
from
colleagues
around
the
country
and
even
before
the
video
was
released.
I
made
a
statement
because
I
heard
enough
to
to
offer
my
own
condemnation
as
a
chief
and
as
a
professional,
I
I've,
never
seen
anything
like
that.
In
almost
35
years,
they
beat
and
murdered.
K
Tyree
Nichols
and
I
made
statements
to
the
media
before
the
video
was
released
and
following
the
release
of
the
video
I
made
a
statement
to
our
officers
and
men
and
women
within
our
own
Police
Department
and
I'll
offer
I'm
going
to
read
a
very
brief
letter
that
I
authored,
co-authored
with
the
president
of
the
organization
FBI
national
executive,
Institute,
Associates
I,
said
the
national
FBI
executive,
Institute
Associates
in
its
membership
categorically
kadama
shameful
and
unacceptable.
K
The
beat
young
Mr
Tyree
Nichols
by
five
members
of
the
Memphis
Police
Department
on
7
January
2023,
and
we
know
there's
more
than
five
that
were
involved
in
this
now.
We
view
this
conduct
not
as
an
expression
of
law
enforcement
but
as
a
criminal
act
that
resulted
in
the
death
of
Mr
Nichols.
We
see
no,
you
excuse
or
rationalization
for
this
conduct.
The
behavior
of
these
officers
violates
everything
that
is
good
and
decent,
which
law
enforcement
in
America
stands
for
and
must
represent.
K
Just
add
that
the
audit
speaks
to
the
core
of
this.
We
can
never
have
people
that
we
hire
that
we
train
that
we
develop,
that
we
put
in
supervisor
and
command
positions
that
would
ever
tolerate
anything
that
would
even
resemble
this
type
of
behavior
I
believe
in
our
profession,
I
think
it's
a
noble
profession,
I
think
the
cops
are
needed
more
today
than
they've
ever
been
needed
in
the
history
of
our
profession,
but
we
have
to
treat
people
with
dignity
and
respect.
We
have
to
be
professional
in
what
we
do.
K
K
One
officer
who
doesn't
belong
in
this
badge
in
this
profession
and
this
uniform
in
this
department
in
this
city,
I'm
very
passionate
about
that
and
so
I
would
rather
just
not
hire
somebody
we're
in
a
day
and
age
today,
where
I'll
fire
somebody
on
a
Friday
and
there's
other
agencies,
that'll
hire
those
people
away
from
us.
We
never
do
that
in
the
City
of
Charleston.
K
I
promise
you
I
would
rather
go
short
than
have
people
that
don't
have
integrity,
that
don't
have
professionalism
that
don't
have
the
highest
standards
of
ethic
for
their
peers
themselves
and
our
residents
and
I'll
stop
there.
But
you
can
tell
I'm
pretty
passionate
about
it.
It
was
disgusting
what
we
saw
in
that
video,
it's
even
almost
equally
or
maybe
more
disgusting,
of
what
I'm
hearing,
because
that
was
not
the
first
time
that
happened,
I'm,
sure,
there's
many
people
that
were
mistreated
and
I'm
sure.
There's
a
lot
more.
A
Thank
you,
Chief,
and
if
you
haven't
shared
that
letter,
I
would
certainly
encourage
you
to
share
that
letter
with
my
colleagues
on
city
council.
K
G
And
I
always
did
that.
If
officers
have
training,
you
know
they
needed
to
to
have
those
training
and
produce
those
training
within
the
community.
Some
officers
to
me
get
the
training
and
forget
all
about
it.
The
training
that
they
have
so
I,
don't
know
it
was
a
problem,
but
I
don't
know
how
to
even
talk
about
it.
G
It
was
disgusting
when
I
saw
the
tape
and
when
I
heard
about
it,
but
some
people
was
calling
me
from
that
area
was
telling
me
about
it
and
I
said
I
know
all
of
them
should
have
had
a
training,
but
they
didn't
utilize.
The
training
that
they
received
and
that's
my
thing
on
it
I
mean
that's
for
all
officers
wherever
they
may
be.
G
When
you
have
those
training
and
you
come
into
a
community,
you
supposed
to
use
those
training
to
the
best
ability
of
this
of
the
citizen,
where
you,
where,
wherever
you're
living
wherever
your
pool
is
singing,
but
some
people
forget
about
the
training
that
they
have
and
do
other
things,
and
that's
when
you
have
to
weed
those
individuals
out
when
that
happened,
and
that's
what
I
believe
I
believe
if
they're
doing
not
doing
what
they
should
do,
then
you
get
rid
of
it.
G
That's
that's
just
me,
you
know,
that's
just
the
way
I
feel
about
it,
because
they're
working
for
the
community,
you
would
protect
and
to
serve
not
to
be
a
bully
not
to
take
it.
You
know
take
things
as
you
as
some
kind
of
big
powerful
person,
because
you
have
the
badge
and
gun
and
that's
not
what
it's
all
about
you
see
and
that's
what
I
see
some
of
these
those
officers.
There
did
figure
that
they
had
the
best
in
the
gun
and
then
the
people
in
the
community
is
no
one.
You
can't
live
that
way.
G
You
can't
do
it
that
way
and
that
play
a
bad
mark
when
other
police
departments
and
other
policemen,
the
people
look
at
all.
The
police
was
the
same
way
and
see
that
make
it
back
to
the
rest
of
them.
So
these
are
the
things
that
I
look
at
and-
and
it
hurt
me
a
lot
to
see
what
happened
to
that
young
man,
you
know
because
it
could
have
been.
My
son
could
have
been
your
son
or
anyone.
G
You
know
what
what
happened
to
them-
and
this
was
deplorable
and
I
am
and
I
applauded
the
family,
what
they
were
saying
that
don't
go
out
and
cause
problems
in
a
community.
You
know
they
were
saying
that
adamant.
They
were
adamant
about
that.
They
didn't
want
any
things
that
happened
in
the
community
because
of
this
happened,
and
that
took
a
lot
of
gumption
to
do
that.
I
don't
know
if
I
would
think
that
way.
Sometimes
you
know.
So
that's
really
all
I
have
to
say
on
that.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
councilman
Mitchells,
always
your
Insight
is
so
critical
to
the
work
we
do
here
and
appreciate
your
your
comments.
Mr.
K
Mayor,
if
I
could
add
to
that
Mr
chair
I
I,
just
councilmember
Mitchell,
has
said
it
way
better
than
I
could
have,
but
you
said
so
much
there.
K
We
have
to
have
empathy
for
the
people
that
we
that
we
serve
and
I
I
to
to
have
an
audit
and
say
we've
done
98
of
our
of
it's
done,
and
this
is
what
we're
talking
about
earlier
that
we're
never
done
is
we
can
have
policy,
we
could
have
training,
we
can
have
hiring
just
like
councilmember
Mitchell
just
said,
but
somehow
if
people
get
out
out
of
the
academy-
and
they
have
a
culture
that
that's
culture,
right
and
culture
eats
policy
every
day
of
the
week
right,
it
always
trumps
policy.
K
So
what
is
the
culture
that
we
have
within
our
organization?
I'd
like
to
think
that
it's
a
very
high
level
of
professional
professionalism,
but
any
agency
our
size?
We
have
to
constantly
pay
attention.
We
have
to
make
sure
people
have
access
to
us
to
complain
when
there's
an
issue.
Maybe
it's
courtesy
whatever
it
is.
So
those
are
the
things
that
we
can't
just
say:
hey.
We
checked
the
Box.
We
did
the
audit
we're
good
to
go.
K
A
Thank
you
chief
mayor,
councilman,
Sheila,
councilman
Brady.
You
all
want
to
add
anything.
C
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I
I
think,
most
has
been
said.
I
reiterate
both
councilmember,
Mitchell
and
and
chief
Reynolds
remarks.
Incident
in
Memphis
was
tragic
and
Despicable,
and
but
but
this
whole
manner
of
improving
ourselves
as
Chief
Reynolds
points
out.
It's
it's
a
journey,
it's
not
a
destination,
and
that's
why
Captain
critella
notes
that
37
of
those
items
that
were
identified
in
the
in
our
own
audit
a
few
years
ago
are
are
not
one
and
done
kind
of
things.
There
are
things
that
we're
continuing
continually
want
to
Monitor
and
measure.
C
That's
how
that's
how
we
get
better,
that's
how
we
continually
improve
ourselves
and
and
then
with
all
the
training
and
preparation
in
the
world
to
still
be
on
on
guard
for
the
Integrity
part
of
policing
that
the
chief
Reynolds
so
so
well
describes
and
mentions
it's.
It's
got
to
be
both
sides
of
of
of
that
equation
to
to
for
us
to
be
successful
and
protect
our
citizens
long
term.
C
So
I
just
want
to
thank
our
leadership,
team
and
and
welcome
Jill
also
to
the
team
here,
because
y'all
y'all
are
doing
that.
Y'all
are
setting
a
culture
here
for
the
future
safety
of
the
city
and
our
citizens,
and
you
know
we're
I'm,
not
perfect.
We're
not
perfect.
We're
always
improving
ourselves,
but
setting
that
culture
is
is,
is
is
just
so
important.
I
mean
I,
I,
think
it's
making
a
difference
already.
I
think
it
has
made
a
difference
and
we're
going
to
keep
it
up.
A
Thank
you
all.
For
those
words,
it's
watching
the
video
and
you
can't
help
but
make
the
comparison.
What
happened
to
Jamal
Sutherland
and
you
and
you
question
the
lack
of
humanity
in
this
people
who
are
in
charge
of
others
or
who
are
responsible
for
our
Public
Safety,
shows
such
disregard
for
basic
human
dignity.
A
It's
just
appalling
to
see
that
and
you
just
wonder
how
that
got
into
into
the
people's
minds
and
actions
and
and
system,
and
doing
that
and
and
Councilman
Mitchell
brought
this
up
count
and
the
chief
on
it
up.
A
But
you
know
the
other
part
of
training
is
supervision,
making
sure
that
those
Superior
officers
are
watching
what
the
the
officers
below
the
under
their
charge
are
doing
and
making
sure
they're
doing
their
job
right
and
always
wanted
a
question
in
my
mind
about
that,
were
whether
or
not
there
were
complaints
made
against
this
scorpion
unit
or
plants
made
against
these
individual
officers
that
that
went
unanswered
or
it
was
whitewash,
is
sort
of
thrown
underneath
the
ride.
I
mean
that's
that's
how
these
things
sort
of
fester.
A
Unfortunately,
in
that
regard
than
not
being
attended
to
so
I
appreciate
the
discussion,
I
think
it's
something.
We've
got
to
remain
on
our
guard
with
to
make
sure
that
we're
supporting
the
police
department
as
best
we
can
with
supporting
our
community
and
that
it
sort
of
shakes
us
to
the
core
of
the
Washington
along
those
lines,
happen.
A
L
No
not
at
this
time,
Mr
chairman,
the
discussion
is
one
the
question.
The
question
is:
how
do
we
make
everyone
feel
safe?
It's
not
about
law
enforcement,
it's
about
having
a
environment
where
everyone
feels
safe
and
has
an
obligation
to
be
part
of
building
a
safe
Community,
addressing
head
forward
some
difficult
conversations,
supporting
of
community
policing
and
supporting
police
and
developing
a
culture
of
Public
Safety
that
is
jointly
used
and
understood
by
both
the
community
and
the
police
and
where
we
need.
L
We
need
to
be
going
it's
difficult
in
some
environments,
it's
difficult
in
this
polarized
political
environment
where
folks
are
weaponizing
terms,
but
that's
the
work
that
we've
chosen
to
do.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
listen
in
and
participate
and
again
I.
Ask
you,
council
members
for
you
and
your
colleagues
to
hold
folks
accountable
for
participating
in
groups
like
advisory
committees
like
CPAC.
L
That's
doing
for
having
involvement
is
the
only
way
that
you're
going
to
get
assistance.
You've
got
tough
jobs,
you
need
help
and
these
groups
represent
that.
A
Thank
you,
sir
I
appreciate
that
all
right,
well,
a
very
good
discussion,
all
the
way
around
a
good
meeting.
We
appreciate
the
participation
from
everybody
and
Captain
Katella
I'll,
see
you
tomorrow
for
sure
at
our
council
meeting,
unless
there's
any
other
business
that
needs
to
be
brought
before
this
committee,
we'll
in
on
Mr
Harris's
notes
and
thank
you
for
those
who
are
participating.
We
are
hereby
adjourned.