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City of Charleston Committee on Public Works 7/13/20 1/2
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I
H
One
of
my
best
friends
had
a
terrible
accident
yesterday
and
I'm
gonna
incorporate
him
in
the
prayer
if
y'all
don't
mind
dear
heavenly
father.
We
thank
you
for
this
day
for
for
this,
this
chance
of
fellowship
for
all
the
many
blessings
that
you've
bestowed
upon
us,
and
we
ask
that
you
be
with
us
in
this
critical
time
for
our
city.
Dear
lord,
I
also
ask
that
you
please
look
over
jordan
mary
and
lift
him
up
with
you
to
be
safe
and
help
him
heal.
H
E
J
E
K
Thank
you.
This
should
be
shouldn't
take
very
long
at
all,
but
just
wanted
to
give
you
guys
a
quick
update
on
that
committee,
so
really
quickly,
I'm
not
sure
if
everyone's
even
aware
who's
on
that
committee,
so
that
would
be
the
mayor
or
his
designee
and
council
members,
appel
del
chapo
representatives
from
sc
e
g
and
we
do
have
members
of
the
public
susan
perlstein,
troy
miller.
George
palmer,
troy
miller
is
the
chair,
and
then
we
have
david
grant
who's
actually
on
this
call
as
well.
K
K
System
the
current
ordinance
is
in
place
is
works
at
the
neighborhood
level
and
is
fairly
tedious
to
implement,
so
very
few
projects
have
actually
been
completed.
I
think
maybe
three
have
been
completed
since
it's
been
in
place
over
many
many
many
years,
so
really
working
to
to
improve
that
whole
process,
so
as
they
do
that
neighborhoods
that
are
on
that
list
would
still
be
able
to
move
forward.
But
the
idea
is
that
this
revised
ordinance
would
create
an
alternative
path
that
would
enable
a
project
to
move
through
the
process.
K
So
are
there
buildings
that
are
on
the
national
register
in
our
landmark
overlay
or
structures
built
before
1950,
also
the
aesthetic
value
so
looking
at
the
condition
and
quality
of
existing
trees
and
grand
trees
and
then
public
benefits.
So
what
are
the
traffic
and
pedestrian
counts
in
the
area,
and
is
it
a
part
of
a
scenic
or
historic,
byway
or
highway?
K
So
those
are
just
some
examples
of
things
that
they're
that
they're
actually
looking
at
so
they're,
going
to
actually
look
at
weighting
those
and
then
the
next
step
is
actually
take
that
and
actually
start
to
craft
a
draft
of
that
revised
ordinance.
So
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
People
might
have.
I
So
not
a
question,
but
I
do
want
to
just
accentuate
one
thing.
Clearly,
one
of
the
goals
of
this
effort
is
to
protect
our
trees,
particularly
our
really
beautiful
trees,
and
so
what
tracy
is
describing
is
the
ability
for
the
city
rather
than
having
to
take
in
a
whole
neighborhood
at
a
time,
is
to
be
able
to
prioritize
and
focus
on
specific
areas
and
streets,
and
one
of
the
high
priority
areas
in
my
mind,
and
I
think
of
the
committee-
would
be
those
streets
that
enjoy
the
most
beautiful
tree
canopies.
I
We've
got
money,
that's
been
sitting
aside
in
accounts,
you
know
for
for
years,
and
we
can
leverage
that
with
the
match
that
dominion
is
providing
and
get
some
of
this
underground
and
going
and-
and
I
guess
I
would
say
thirdly-
is
to
also
consider
as
a
former
council
member
moody
was
always
quick
to
point
out-
that
we
have
other
area
areas
in
the
city-
commercial
areas,
not
necessarily
residential,
where
we
would
like
to
prioritize
for
undergrounding
as
well.
We're
doing
that
short
little
example
in
front
of
fire
station
16.
I
E
E
So
if
the
committee's
going
to
be
out
there
working,
I
would
hope
not
only
in
this
state,
if
we
would
look
at
other
states
to
see
the
funding
methods
to
do
it
because
you're
right,
mr
mayor,
we're
going
to
protect
those
grand
trees
and
overland
riverland,
terrace
and
certainly
downtown,
but
we're
also
going
to
put
the
wiring
on
the
ground
on
savannah
highway
over
there,
which
will
enable
us
to
create
bike
lanes
in
the
area.
That's
already
congested
and
improve
the
quality
of
life
from
alternative
traffic
for
again
bikes
and
pedestrians.
E
So
those
buyers
need
to
be
put
on
the
ground,
but
obviously
it's
going
to
be
very
expensive.
So
we
need
to
find
ways
to
if
there's
some
better
practices
in
other
municipalities
of
states
to
acquire
those
matching
dollars
we
need
to.
We
need
to
learn
from
them
any
other
questions
from
committee
members.
G
G
Yes,
but
not
a
hundred
percent
of
the
time,
and
I
I
find
myself
coming
up
after
the
fact
coming
up,
while
they're
trimming
or
just
after
they've,
trimmed
and
just
kind
of
inspecting,
seeing
if
things
are
are
the
way
we
would
like
them,
and
it's
always
easy
to
monday
morning,
quarterback
their
their
trimming
work.
If
you
didn't
see
the
pictures
of
the
trees
beforehand,
it's
easy
to
come
up
after
the
fact
and
say:
well,
that's
more
than
five
feet
below
the
the.
H
G
Line
or
that's
you
know,
look
why
they
take
that
limb
out,
but
I
will
say
that
in
general
they
are
yes
sticking
to
the
agreement.
It
just
so
happens
that
even
sticking
to
the
agreement,
it
is
less
than
stellar
work.
You
know
it's,
it's
tough
to
to
grow
a
live
oak
under
a
power
line
at
least
aesthetically.
G
So,
yes,
they
stuck
to
the
agreement.
Just
short,
the
west
side
of
the
peninsula,
which
is
where
they've
been
focused,
is
mostly
finishing
up,
so
they'll
go
through
what
they
call
the
inspection
phase
they'll
go
by
and
check
all
this
work.
They
may
have
to
go
back
and
hit
a
couple
of
hot
spots,
but
the
big
thing
to
watch
out
for
I
think
council
members
is
that
at
my
request
they
have
not
topped
the
all
the
palms
going
to
top.
G
They
save
that
until
the
end
of
the
cycle,
where
they,
where
they
actually
they
trigger
it
with
the
inspection.
So
so
they
didn't
trim,
they
just
bypassed
them.
The
inspection
shows
hey.
All
these
palms
still
need
to
be
pruned,
so
they
will
be
going
back
through
areas
like
south
battery
and
moving
north
from
there
beheading
a
bunch
of
the
palms.
D
D
Okay
and
the
second
part
of
the
question
is
and
councilman
where
I
may
remember
this
discussion.
We
had
about
maybe
four
four
years
or
so
ago,
in
some
neighborhoods
and
before
my
time,
the
city
used
to
budget
for
tree
trimming
when
it
came
to
overhangs
onto
the
street
in
one
particular
area
and
they've
already
gone
in.
There
did
some
tree
trimming
and
dominion
energy,
but
I
tried
to
work
out
for
them
to
do
other
tree
trimming
even
below
the
power
line.
D
The
overhang
is
so
bad
that
school
buses
are
having
problems
passing
by
fire
trucks
having
problems
passing
by
and
large
other
vehicles
like
rvs,
would
have
problems
passing
by
in
our
streets
and
there's
always
been
this
little
tug
of
war.
Who's
responsible
for
the
tree
trimming,
either
the
city
or
the
property
owner,
but
they're,
clearly
overhanging
over
the
seat
over
the
street.
Is
there
some
way
that
we
can
tie
all
this?
D
E
G
Yes,
mr
shaheed,
one
by
not
doing
that
work,
the
torque
claims
is,
is
proportionately
tied
to
the
amount
of
preventative
trimming
like
that
that
we're
doing
when
we're
not
those
limbs,
we
have
more
torque
claims
for
struck
buys.
So
it's
definitely
a
need.
My
concern
would
be
well
twofold,
one,
the
the
quality
of
workmanship
that
we
know
comes
from
these
crews.
I
don't
know
if
we
want
that
quality
of
workmanship.
G
So
that's
just
a
just
food
for
thought,
and
but
it
is
certainly
something
that
eddie
wilkerson
and
myself
have
targeted.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
we
just
finished
trimming
grove
street
from
end
to
end.
That
was
a
pretty
big
project,
and
that
was
one
where
some
of
it
went
well,
some
of
it
didn't,
but
because.
L
Of
it,
maybe
if
I
could
jump
in
here
for
a
second,
so
I
just
wanted
everybody
to
know
that
councilmember
shades
had
this
has
been
the
item
that
we
have
discussed
many
times
over
the
past
many
years.
Do
we
have
two
forestry
crews
in
the
city
of
charleston
and
a
lot
of
the
trees
that
I
think
are
in
question
here
are
privately
owned
trees?
What
david
is
talking
about
are
city
trees,
inside
city
rights
of
ways.
H
L
City
have
never
first
that
I'm
aware
of
budgeted
for
the
pruning
of
those
trees,
like
you
referenced
earlier,
so
with
the
two
crews
that
we
have.
We
try
to
focus
on
city-owned
trees
and
in
the
case
where
we
had
school
bus
missions
and
fire
truck
issues
in
the
past,
we
would
always
refer
those
over
to
livability,
because
there
are
codes
and
specifications
that
are
required
for
private
property
owners
to
take
care
of
their
own
ownership
or
their
own
trees.
D
E
L
Well,
this
is
probably
a
little
bit
in
in
my
purview
as
well
so
and
I'm
not
sure
why
this
is
coming
up
right
now.
I
suspect
it's
because
we
did
the
green
belt
transfer
agreement
with
the
lowcountry
land
trust
and
I
suspect
there.
Some
of
you
are
getting
questions
and
comments
about
the
city
building
a
parking
lot
around
the
angelo
which
rightfully
so
I
would
question
that
too.
L
Right
so
in
a
nutshell,
we
we've
been
working
with
the
land
trust
to
come
up
with
a
a
mutually
beneficial
agreement
that
we
could
use
a
portion
of
the
angel
oak
preserve,
which
is
the
la
the
30
or
so
acres
that
was
preserved
around
the
tree.
And
so
the
first
step
of
that
project
is
to
identify
the
piece
of
land
and
transfer
the
land
to
the
city.
We
haven't
started
any
design
work
from
a
consultant
point
of
view.
L
In
addition
to,
hopefully
trying
some
new
and
innovative
things,
a
la
the
dutch
dialogues
and
making
sure
that
every
single
drop
counts
and
that
when
a
drop
falls,
it
stays
in
place.
So
it
would
be
a
gravel
pervious
parking
area
with
some
bios
whales
and
those
sorts
of
amenities
involved
in
the
parking
area.
E
Okay,
jason,
let
me
ask
a
question:
I'm
going
off
of
memory,
which
could
be
a
bad
thing,
I'm
telling
you
right
now,
but
what,
after
the
city
joined
in
with
a
number
of
groups
to
buy
the
area
around
the
tree?
I
thought
it
was
a
year
a
couple.
Two
years
later
they
came
back
and
when
you
turn
up
into
the
driveway
into
angel
oak
tree
was
a
parcel
of
land
to
the
left
that
the
city
came
back
and
the
seth
effort
to
help
buy
yeah.
L
L
That's
right
so
that
so
there's
the
six
and
a
half
acres
and
I
think
about
two
and
a
half
acres
where
the
tree
sits
and
then
the
35
acres,
additional
and
after
the
land
trust
did
some
of
their
early
inventory
work.
We
found
an
alley,
an
old
alley
of
oak
trees
that
was
remnant
of
one
of
the
early
homes
that
was
in
the
area
that
was
on
that
six
and
a
half
acre
parcel.
L
E
E
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
yeah.
This
this
one,
I
think,
was
originally
requested
at
the
last
council
meeting
by
councilmember
siegens,
based
on
some
work,
we've
been
doing
on
williams
court.
I
think
everyone's
aware.
We've
had
certainly
a
number
of
sinkholes
and
emergency
repairs
across
the
peninsula.
Many
of
the
challenges
we
we
face
are
are
places
where
you
know
two
different
types
of
gravity
systems
basically
interact
right
where
we
have
storm
water
gravity
pipes
and
then,
of
course,
we
have
generally
older,
but
sometimes
not
depending
on
the
brick
arch
system.
F
Charleston
water
system
sewer
pipes,
these
these
are
conflicts.
They're,
obviously
any
point
you
have
two
pipes
interacting
you
have
potential
for
failure
and
for
problems
to
occur.
That's
something!
That's
a
problem
we're
aware
of,
and
I
think
we've
we've
been
talking
between
the
two
different
staffs
of
ways
to
approach
this
over
the
last
year
or
so
of
things.
F
We
could
do
to
try
to
address
this
because
it's
always
hard
for
all
of
us
as
an
unbudgeted
item,
to
come
out
and
kind
of
perform
all
these
different
emergency
repairs
and
coordinate
and
try
to
get
our
work
together
and
we've.
I
think
we've
built
this
is
you're
you're,
well
aware,
mr
chairman,
being
on
the
ws
board,
quite
a
good
relationship
between
the
two
entities.
I
think
this
is
a
another
place.
We
can
kind
of
continue
that
relationship.
F
These
direct
pathways,
but
also
again
help
them
set
aside.
Some
kind
of
capital
budget,
so
they
can,
they
can
address
this
and
work
through
it
systematically,
rather
than
us
just
asking
them
to
spend
undisclosed
sums
of
money,
depending
on
which
issues
we
find
each
day
and
certainly
want
to
open
up
to
the
committee
to
see
what
questions
there
are
and
what
recommendations
are
and
see
if
the
gentleman
from
cws
would
like
to
kind
of
share
their
side
of
the
the
story.
If
that's
okay
with
you,
mr
german.
M
Thank
you,
mr
waring
russell's
on
as
well,
I
think
he's
on
by
phone,
but
I'll
I'll.
Just
echo
matt's
comments.
We
would
support
a
planned
approach
so
that
we
can
and
a
systematic
approach
to
that.
So
we
can
plan
from
a
budgeting
standpoint
in
our
capital
budgeting
to
coordinate
that
with
the
city's
project
plans.
So
we
can.
We
can
work
collaboratively
with
them
on
on
the
project
to
mitigate
those
conflicts
certainly
helps
us
to
a
large
extent
to.
M
So
that's
that's
primarily
what
we're
talking
about
and
trying
to
remove
that,
and
we
have.
We
have
an
ongoing
program
that
we
invest
in
annually
within
basins
that
we
prioritize
throughout
the
system
to
conduct
in-situ
type
repair
work
that
seals
the
system
back
up,
makes
it
tight
again
and
removes
to
a
large
extent
most
of
that
infiltration
influence,
not
all
of
it,
but
restores
a
lot
of
the
carrying
capacity
in
the
in
the
sanitary
sewer
system.
E
F
We
do
yeah,
we
we
actually
did
put
together
over
the
last
year,
a
pretty
a
relatively
complete
effective
map
of
where
the
arches
are.
But
even
then
it's
more
the
streets
that
they're
located
under
in
the
approximate
locations,
because
they're
all
in
structures.
But
we
did
do
that
to
try
to
prevent
especially
future
conflicts,
not
something
we've
been
coordinating
well
with
a
lot
of
the
contractors
who
are
providing
not
necessarily
where
cws
is
doing
it
directly,
but
where
the
contractor
frequently
as
part
of
their
engineering
plans,
is
going
in
and
providing
utilities.
F
F
Been
working
pretty
well,
I
mean
we're
doing
this
on
king
yuji,
on
market
street,
on
murray
boulevard
at
the
low
battery,
where
we're
trying
to
look
at
each
other's
capital
project
plans
as
we
move
forward
and
try
to
line
up
where
we
both
have
capital
projects
going.
So
we're
not
tearing
up
streets
multiple
times
and
having
these
conflicts
multiple
times.
So
that's,
I
think
that's
been
a
really
helpful
thing
to
do
over
the
last
few
years
and
we
do
want
to
continue
that
moving
forward.
E
C
This
is
russell
huggins
capital
projects
officer
withdraws
the
water.
I
do
know
that
I
have
spoken
to
our
gis
department
is
my
understanding.
There
has
been
some
sharing
of
storm
drain
information
from
the
city
of
charleston
with
charleston
water
system,
but
matt.
I
think
you
hit
on
a
great
point
there.
It's
it's
these
service
laterals
and
we
have
new
development
that
occurs
particularly
on
the
peninsula,
so
certainly
maybe
something
to
be
worthwhile
as
a
part
of
our
process.
C
Any
time
we
have
a
new
service
collateral
going
in
one
of
the
things
we
do
is
coordinate
that
with
the
city
or
with
your
department
matt,
to
make
sure
that
you're
not
aware
of
any
potential
conflict
in
that
area,
particularly
with
the
storm
with
the
with
the
old
brick
arch.
I
think
that
that
could
go
a
long
way
right
there,
preventing
at
least
some
of
the
new
ones
from
occurring.
C
What
the
lateral
would
be
the
line
that
runs
from
the
customer's
property
to
our
sewer
main
that's
out
in
the
street.
So
that's
typically,
where
we're
going
to
see
that
conflict
out
our
line's
going
to
be
out
in
the
street
and
then
to
get
to
our
line.
We
got
to
cross
the
storm
drain
with
the
service,
lateral
or
the
service
line,
and
so
oftentimes.
That's
where
we'll
see
that
service
line
penetrating
one
of
the
existing
brick
arches
or
you
know
in
many
cases
it
can
be
even
an
existing.
C
E
Just
to
kind
of
catch
up,
I
know
councilmember
appel,
I
forget
the
street,
but
there's
a
sewer,
lateral
running
through
one
of
your
drain
pipes
and
council
member
shahid
over
there-
and
I
don't
know
whether
it's
charlestown
one
or
two
one
across
from
charlestown
landing,
you've
had
eye
and
eye
problems
over
there
for
a
long
time
trying
to
find
out
where
that
water's
getting
into
the
sewer
system,
which
is
causing
a
rain
event.
So
anyway,
just
we
all
have
problems
with
this.
E
F
Work
to
try
to
avoid
especially
conflict
with
the
arches
I
mean
the
directional
drilling
is,
I
think,
was
being
discussed,
is
incredibly
challenging
a
lot
of
these
tight
streets
where
you're
trying
to
thread
through
so
many
existing
utilities
and
conflicts,
and
I
think
certain
areas
like
the
brick
arches,
especially
take
are
probably
worth
taking
that
extra
care,
because
they're
so
easy
to
destabilize.
Since
the
arch
structure
is
really
reliant
upon
not
having
any
holes
in
it,
where
concrete
pipe
can
have
a
little
bit
more
structural.
F
A
good
idea,
I
think,
that's
something
we
should
probably
incorporate
into
that
project,
at
least
on
the
brick
arch
sewers
is
when
there's
a
proposal
from
a
contractor
to
come
in
for
a
lateral
connection.
Something
like
that
that
we
do
make
sure
we're
sitting
down,
and
we've
tried
to
do
that
on
our
end,
but
having
it
from
the
cws
then,
would
be
great.
F
That
might
be
a
good
pathway,
especially
as
we
start
to
go
through
and
rehabilitate
these
brick
arches
and
everybody
can
budget
for
it
and
plan
for
it
and
know
what
they're
being
asked
to
do
and
help
us
get
to
where
we
have
less
of
these
liabilities.
You
know
30
years
from
now,
you're
not
going
through
all
the
same
problems
having
new
sinkholes
opening
up
and
having
new
problems.
E
F
A
F
It's
a
little
bit
challenging
and
that
we
we
keep
track
of
the
emergency
repairs
and
the
failures
they're
they're.
It's
sort
of
an
easy
misunderstanding
to
think
they're
all
cws
issues.
I
think
those
are
the
ones
that
are
obviously
often
the
easy
ones
to
notice.
But
when
we
do
have
penetrations
from
gas
lines,
we
have
issues
where
something
was
done.
Historically,
where
someone
clearly
had
done
roadwork
or
something
and
excavated
and
done
damaged.
The
arch
then
covered
it
back
up.
F
So
we
can
get
a
total
number
together
pretty
quickly
and
pretty
easily
trying
to
parse
out,
which
ones
are
particular
sewer.
Lines
can
be
a
little
more
challenging,
but
we
can.
We
can
certainly
look
at
the
area
of
brick,
arch
rehabilitation,
we've
considered
and
show
how
many
conflicts
there
are
and
how
much
we
expect
each
of
those
conflicts
to
cost
to
address
and
then
kind
of
plan
out
from
a
capital
approach.
How
long
would
it
take
to
kind
of
work
through
those
arch
systems?
That'd.
F
F
A
I
And
for
their
usual
commitment
and
cooperation
with
us,
I'm
very
thankful
for
that.
We
really
have
a
win-win
situation
here,
going
forward
to
number
one
reduce
the
infiltration
and
inflow
to
their
system,
while
at
the
same
time
improving
the
drainage
performance
of
these
archway
tunnel
systems
that,
admittedly
many
of
which
still
need
to
be
cleaned
out.
I
M
M
I
I
E
F
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'll
start
with
spring
fishburn
phase
three.
This
might
be
one
of
our
almost
one
of
our
last
updates.
At
least
we
the
project
is,
the
phase
of
the
project
is
now
substantially
complete,
which
is
the
contract
term
for
where
they
basically
met
the
functional
goals
of
the
project,
we're
basically
in
our
last
couple
weeks
now
of
site,
restoration,
harman
field
and
a
couple
of
the
other
sites.
F
But
the
tunnel
works
complete
the
king
street
us
17
ramp
is
reopened,
contractors,
basically
finalize
in
their
restoration
work
and
then
we'll
be
demobing
and
that
project
will
be
closing
out.
So
that's
a
huge
milestone,
obviously
for
the
continuation
of
the
spring
fishburn
project,
but
we're
excited
to
see
that
one
close
successfully
and
actually
under
budget.
So
it's
a
nice
nice.
A
F
F
We
have
also
completed
the
kind
of
initial
testing
of
the
h-piles,
which
are
the
piles
that
will
support
the
box
culverts
that
extend
out
as
the
outfall
and
they're
doing
some
some
processing
work
right
now
and
then
we'll
move
into
installing
more
of
those
piles
as
well.
Let's
see
spring
fish
burn
phase
five,
that's
probably
one
of
the
mayor's
favorite
topics
for
this
meeting.
That
was
one.
Obviously,
the
infrastructure
bank
did
approve
21.5
million
dollars
towards
this
project
at
their
meeting
last
week.
F
That
then
goes
towards
this
project,
we're
currently
working
on
finalizing
our
scope
with
davis
and
floyd
to
complete
the
kind
of
the
pump
station
system,
design
and
bid
support.
So
the
this
project's
a
little
bit
interesting
in
that
when
you
order
pumps
that
are
this
size,
these
are
like
120,
000,
gallon
per
minute
pumps.
The
manufacturers
have
a
lead
time
because
they
don't
they
don't
have
these
like
in
stock.
They
like
manufacture
them
for
your
project,
so
there's
a
lead
time.
F
And
then
there
will
be
a
later
scope
as
we
move
closer
to
the
design
or
the
so
the
construction
of
the
actual
project
at
the
conclusion
of
phase
four
for
the
final
design
of
the
building
with
the
br
components
and
then
the
construction,
drawings
and
specification
packages
to
build
a
bid
that
part
of
the
project.
But
it's
good
good
work.
Continuing
to
move
forward
on
that
one
and
staying
on
schedule
to
try
to
get
that
all
up
and
running
by
the
end
of
2023.
E
A
F
F
Occurring
the
other
option
that
that
actually
is
is
almost
a
better
view
for
the
site,
despite
not
being
quite
as
close
up,
is
actually
to
walk
up
on
the
walkway
on
the
bridges,
and
you
can
look
down
into
the
site
and
get
a
really
good
view.
I
mean
that's
one
of
the
the
best
approaches
to
inspecting
the
site.
If
anyone.
H
F
Interested
in
going
we're
happy
to
kind
of
arrange
it
and
walk
out
there
and
show
you
you
describe
all
the
different
things
that
are
going
and
that
that
way,
if
you're
out
there,
you
don't
need
to
wear
protective
equipment,
you're
safe
you're
out
in
the
public
space,
it's
a
little
bit
more
secure,
but
we're
happy
to
do
either
of
those
approaches.
If
anyone
would
like
to
go
toward
the
site
because
there
yeah,
there
is
quite
a
bit
of
progress,
that's
visible
now,
which
is
a
big
change
from
six
months
ago.
F
The
next
project
is
the
musc
medical
district,
earhart
tunnel
extension,
basically
we're
we're
at
90
complete
plans
on
that
project.
The
current
step
is
that
the
city
legal
departments
reviewed
our
proposals
for
easement
dedication
and
those
easements
have
been
provided
to
the
musc
board
to
review
and
determine
if
they
will
dedicate
easements
to
the
city,
which
they've
indicated
they're
interested
in
doing.
Of
course.
At
that
point,
then,
we
would
have
those
easements.
F
They
would
come
back
for
council
for
acceptance,
and
that
would
basically
take
us
by
that
point
we'll
be
at
100
complete
design
engineering
plans.
We
have
modified
the
design
plans
for
a
bulkhead
approach
which
lets
us
delay
this
project
a
little
bit
depending
on
what
the
state's
availability
is
for
funding
musc's
available
availability
for
funding.
So
we've
we've
actually
come
up
with
a
pretty
good
alternative
approach
with
the
design
engineers.
For
that,
so
we're
continuing.
A
F
F
We
also
had,
obviously
that
was
an
application
for
the
infrastructure
bank
funding
as
well.
The
infrastructure
bank
did
announce
that
they
originally
had
had
planned
to
have
significantly
more
money
available
than
they
ended
up
awarding
in
projects
due
to
the
coveted
concerns
with
their
bonding
capacity.
F
So
they
they
do
want
to
see
basically
how
the
economy
continues
and
how
their
bonding
capacity
continues
through
a
little
bit
longer
of
the
calendar
year
and
they
do
plan
on
doing
a
second
consideration
of
the
unfunded
but
applied
for
projects
late
this
calendar
year,
so
that
project
still
is
in
the
running
for
funding,
but
it
hasn't.
It
depends
on
how
the
basically
the
finances
of
the
infrastructure
bank
look
at
that
point.
F
The
forest
acres
project
at
t
provided
some
additional
engineering
information
to
dot.
Last
week
in
support
of
their
permit
application,
and
basically
let
us
know
that
they're
continuing
to
work
towards
that
permit
and
they'll,
let
us
know
as
soon
as
they
have
a
firm
time
frame
once
they
have
that
dot
permit.
So
we
can
incorporate
it
into
our
into
our
project
plans
as
well.
E
F
So
no,
they
did
say
they
are
going
to
relocate,
relocate
their
lines.
So
they
are
going
right
right
now,
they're,
going
back
and
forth
with
dot,
trying
to
figure
out
the
dot
encroachment
permit
to.
Let
them
basically
shut
down
parts
of
playground,
road
long
enough
to
be
able
to
do
their
their
directional
drilling
work
and
they're.
F
E
Okay,
just
with
other
committee
members,
this
has
been
five
years
in
the
running.
It
was
a
solid
year,
mr
emil,
before
you
even
ran
that
we
sat
down
with
att
and
there's
people
and
one
reason
I
think
I
understand
projects
they
take
time,
but
it
shouldn't
have
taken
five
years
for
them
to
come
up
with
a
design
and
it
it
increases
all
costs.
Eventually,
our
cost
five
years
ago,
compared
to
five
years
hints,
you
know
we'll
get
it
done,
but
we're
going
to
take
money
from
another
project
to
get
it
done.
E
Had
it
been
done
a
little
bit
timely,
not
a
little
bit
a
lot
more
timely
than
it's
my
opinion,
and
I
understand
it
may
be
my
opinion
only,
but
there
was
it
was
a
serious
stall
on
behalf
of
the
t
on
this.
They
had
two
ways
to
do
it
place
the
line
I'll
put
the
big
box
covered
over.
It
just
doesn't
take
five
five
years
to
decide
which
way
you're
going
to
go.
E
So
I
say
that
so
in
the
event
in
the
future,
the
other
drainage
projects
that
come
up
in
the
other
12
districts
out
there
across
the
city.
Mr
lynn,
when
other
utilities
procrastinate,
we
have
to
look
at
our
dollars
too,
and
I
just
don't
think
it's
fair
for
us
to
carry
that
inflationary
cost
at
their
expense.
It
should
be
at
their
expense
and
not
ours.
F
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
sherman.
We
do
have
then
the
the
market
street
project
we've
received
all
of
our
city
permits,
except
for
some
later
changes
we
made
for
traffic
and
transportation
for
the
mid-block
crossing
and
some
of
the
signal
work
over
at
east
bay.
So
I
think
we're
finalizing
that
with
them
and
then
our
dot
permit.
F
Dominion
is
they've
had
some
turnover
from
the
seng
time
period
when
we
started
that
project
work,
but
I
think
we're
we're
starting
to
make
some
good
progress
again
with
the
the
new
team,
the
central
park,
drainage
basin.
We've
issued
our
comments
on
the
final
report
to
our
consultant,
aecom
and
they're,
making
their
revisions,
so
we
can
have
that
final
copy
and
be
able
to
distribute
that
and
present
it
at
the.
I
think,
the
july
22nd
meeting
for
the
drainage
commission
and
the
cooper-jackson
drainage
evaluation,
that's
sort
of
the
east
side
of
the
peninsula.
F
Our
first
round
of
field
survey
work
is
completed.
We're
scheduling
our
second
round
now
and
going
through
with
doing
some
spot
cleaning
to
help.
With
the
survey
of
some
of
that
system,
the
barbary
woods
project,
we
have
our
negotiations,
basically
complete
and
we'll
be
coming
with
our
contract
for
preliminary
design
services
to
council
in
the
next
month,
or
so
the
windermere
drainage
improvement.
We've
have
a
the
suction
committee
has
recommended
a
most
qualified
firm,
we're
in
negotiations
currently
on
scope
with
that
firm
and
we'll
be
looking
to
bring
that
to
council.
F
F
Consideration
on
july
23rd
see
the
broad
and
lockwood
the
sunny
day,
flooding
concept,
the
city's
completed
our
review
of
the
draft
report
and
we've
provided
comments
to
the
consultant,
we're
looking
to
get
those
back
with
some
final
comments,
again,
basically
different
different
options
of
reducing
sort
of
sunny
day,
tidal
flooding
across
lockwood
down
near
the
broad
strander
section
of
broad
street,
the
waterfront
hotel.
This
is
basically
a
pipe
replacement
up
sizing
of
a
outfall
pipe
that
that
was
relocated
as
part
of
that
hotel
development.
F
At
this
point,
the
noon
drive
project
has
been
completed
and
closed
out.
The
lord
calvert
project
has
been
completed
and
closed
out
the
weems
court
project,
the
first
two
phases
of
repairs
are
complete.
We
do
have
a
third
phase
of
repair,
which
we
hope
will
be
the
final
phase.
That's
in
preparation
for
completion.
We
think
we
can
make
it
from
this
last
manhole
we're
installing
the
rest
of
the
way
to
king
street
and
complete
and
close
that
out,
it's
been
much
more
complicated
than
was
hoped
for
at
the
beginning.
F
Our
field
ops
group
is
preparing
to
install
the
swale
and
some
of
the
pipe
in
the
area,
and
I
know
mr
chairman
you'd
asked
about
potential
impacts
of
this
project
with
king
richard,
which
is
sort
of
just
to
the
neighborhood
just
to
the
north,
and
just
for
a
little
extra
information
on
that
one.
The
king,
richard
neighborhood,
actually
is
supposed
to
flow
north
into
the
dupont
wapu
basin.
F
E
E
He
was
suggesting,
while
we're
doing
this
project,
maybe
another
18
be
added
underneath
west
robin
hood,
to
enable
some
of
the
water
behind
the
houses
on
king
richard
to
flow
south
into
this
newly
created.
Ditch
that
we're
doing
now.
You
know,
as
we
know,
the
ardmore
project
did
you
all
have
a
chance
to
have
to
speak
about
that
at
all.
F
We
did
yeah,
we
went
back
and
looked
through
all
of
our
kind
of
survey
work
for
the
project
and
it
it
seems
like
the
existing
18-inch
pipe.
That
is,
there
is
really
not
functional,
because
really
the
18-inch
pipe
now
is
bringing
water
sherwood
up
into
king
richard,
where
now
after
the
project,
when
we
have
a
new
improvements,
kind
of
going
down
through
gretch
gretch
street
right
water
will
actually
be
able
to
come
from
king
richard
and
flow
to
the
south,
rather
than
some
of
that
water
actually
flowing
kind
of
more
up
to
the
north.
A
E
Okay,
all
right
good
thanks
now,
there's
one
other
thing:
I
want
to
bring
up
just
as
a
discussion,
maybe
to
carry
on
someplace
else
so
and
and
and
visiting
that
site.
908
king
richard
there's
a
house
of
jason
right
next
door,
that's
being
gutted,
it's
914,
king
richard
I
mean
it's
all,
got
it
all
the
way
back
to
the
studs,
and
I
I
would
think
that
those
things
his
yard
floods
right
along
with
geneva
next
door.
E
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
number
one
a
permit
was
pill
code
for
that
renovation,
because
I
would
hate
to
see
that
house
get
nicely
renovated
flip
to
unsuspecting
person
or
couple-
and
you
know,
six
months
later,
you
get
a
five
inch
rain
bomb
and
they
get
water
coming
in
their
house.
Why?
Because
the
renovation
was
done
kind
of
under
the
radar
screen.
So
if
we
get
some
people
looking.
F
Home
and
again,
this
is
looking
through
the
public
services
building
inspections,
divisions
page,
but
they
they
do
have
a
permit
for
thirty
thousand
dollars
of
renovation
work
currently
on
that
home,
and
I
guess
the
building
inspectors
will
continue
to
monitor
that
as
it
moves
through
its
process,
but
that's
currently
what
they
have,
which
keeps
them
below
that
threshold.
That
fifty
percent
threshold,
at
least
to
this
point.
E
F
A
E
E
F
Miss
miss
mckee
and
mr
zholka
did
kind
of
work
with
mr
hawk
and
gis,
so
a
lot
of
people
to
basically
put
together
a
system
where
we
do
actually
track
all
the
permits
that
come
in
and
the
valuations
and
they
get
flagged
anytime.
They
come
up
to
a
certain
threshold
to
specifically
catch
anything
that
does
approach
that
50
percent
valuation
and
we
did
council
did
choose
to
keep
the
substantial
improvement.
Substantial
damage
right
right,
essential
damage
at
the
one
foot
of
freeboard,
but
it
it
is
caught.
E
F
Thank
you,
and
I
agree,
especially
people
who
are
flipping
homes.
I
mean
that
was
that's
exactly
kind
of
what
that
program
is
in
there
for,
if
you're
going
to
make
a
significant
profit
as
an
investment,
the
least
you
can
do
is
remove
that
home
from
being
a
liability
to
the
future
owners
in
the
city.
Correct.
Thank
you,
yeah.
Thank
you.
So
the
just
a
couple
other
updates
we
do
have
on
south
anderson
and
james
island.
We
have
a
check
valve
installation
going
on
this
week
with
the
town
of
james
island.
F
On
mueller
drive,
we
have
our
field
survey
scheduled
for
flagging
out
the
drain
adjustment,
so
we
can
start
kind
of
final
work,
design,
work
on
that
project
and
then
the
concord
street
pump
station
just
as
an
update.
We
we
did
some
emergency
maintenance
where,
basically,
we
we
pumped
down
the
station
and
sent
some
divers
to
dive
team
down
into
removing
some
debris
out
of
the
dewatering
pumps.
F
We
were
able
to
basically
get
one
of
the
watering
pumps
working
again
and
reinstalled
and
take
out
the
other
pump
for
maintenance,
but
that
that
pump
station
does
continue
to
have
some
challenges.
So
we
are
moving
forward
with
the
design
of
replacement,
pumps
and
control
systems
and
we'll
be
bringing
that
to
council
in
the
next
month
or
so
as
well,
and
then
for
floodplain.
Mr
chairman,
I'm
sorry
if
I
just
jump
into
the
football.
E
Okay,
good
any
questions
from
committee
members
to
mr
fountain.
Thank
you,
mr
fountain.
I
discussion
regarding
dominion
permit
to
provide
electric
service
to
ghost
island.
This
was
one
that
I,
with
councilman
shaheed
saccharin,
brought
by
the
neighborhood
association
of
maryville
asheville,
mr
mayor,
where
a
dominion
is
going
to
bowl
under
basically
the
creek
to
supply
electrification
to
an
island
in
the
frankly
the
historic
watershed
of
ashley
river
watershed.
E
So
these
people
have
apparently,
I
guess,
the
right
to
build
a
house
over
there,
but
when
you
begin
to
electrify
these
little
islands
and
they're,
not
barrier
islands
and
you're
right,
mr
mayor,
they
have
another
name
for
those
out,
but
still
my
blocking
on
it
think
about
it.
Just
look
around
your
districts
on
a
lot
of
these
little
islands
off
of
mainland
areas.
E
Do
we
want
to
set
the
precedence
to
where
people
can
go
out?
You
know
have
electric
power
on
those
islands.
They
want
to
live
off
the
grid
and
you
know
have
something
with
solar
power
or
something
like
that.
No
no
problem
with
that,
but
the
neighborhood
association
is
against
the
being
extended
by
dominion
and
there's
an
appeal
process
and
the
question
is:
does
the
city
join
in
with
that
appeal
or
not?
So
then
that's
the
question
part
of
the
discussion.
I
Well,
not
particularly,
I
I
do
know
that
just
from
the
post,
I
saw
that
apparently
it's
not
the
city
that
permits
this
it's
from
either
d,
hack
or
fcdnr,
and
they
must
have
some
window
by
which
individuals
or
groups
can
challenge
the
permit.
So
I
think
we're
still
in
that
that
phase
I
did
check
with
our
planning
building
permits
and
basically,
at
this
point,
they
they
just
have
applied
for
permits
to
do
what
they
had
already
begun.
I
There's
been
discussion
about
them,
eventually
applying
to
put
a
small
cottage
there
like
a
vacation,
cottage
or
something
I
don't
know
how
large,
but
that
they
haven't
made
that
application
yet,
but
obviously
they've
requested
service
from
dominion
in
order
to
have
regular
electric
power
for
the
shed
and
for
the
future.
Their
future
plan.
D
H
H
H
I
can't
even
really
think
of
another
one
that
doesn't
have
utilities,
but
I
just
think
that
me
personally,
I
would
not
be
comfortable
with
us
picking
aside
and
submitting
a
letter
to
the
state
on
a
situation
that
really,
I
think
we
have
to
take
a
wait
and
see,
approach
and
and
sit
back
and
see
what
the
state
says
and
then,
when
it
comes
time
for
us
to
to
look
at
their
permit
on
the
city
level,
then
we
could
take
some
action.
But
for
me
it's
kind
of
a
murky
situation.
D
Councilman
shaheen,
yes,
sir.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
you
were
right.
Councilman
griffin,
we've
been
dealing
with
this
since
the
latter
part
of
2019,
and
I
met
with
the
the
applicants,
the
owners
of
the
property.
They
came
to
my
very
first
2020
coffee
and
conversation
at
charleston
landing
when
we're
still
meeting
in
person
and
had
a
very
active
crowd
of
folks
there
who
were
present
concerning
this.
This
is
a
very
touchy
subject
for
the
maryvale
ashley
little
folks.
D
D
This
is
a
it's
a
very
unusual
circumstance
because
it
sits
on
right
across
the
creek
from
charlestown
landing.
It
sits
right
across
the
creek
front,
mary
melasheville
area,
and
then
it
sits
right
smack
in
the
middle
of
a
view
from
several
property
owners
in
west
county
subdivision,
the
west
honey
neighborhood
it
is.
D
The
whole
thing
may
be
moot
is
what
they
can
build
and
not
build
out
there.
The
charleston
fire
department
is
unable
to
respond
to
any
distress,
call
out
there.
It's
just.
This
is
going
to
be
a
matter
of
practicality,
whether
or
not
they
could
be
allowed
to
build
anything
out
there,
because
if
you
can't
get
an
apparatus
out
there,
I
don't
know
what
you're
going
to
do
as
far
as
building
anything
they've
got
to
have
the
permit
from
the
marshall's
office
the
to
be
inspected.
D
I
don't
know
if
it's
appropriate
or
not
appropriate
for
us
to
be
challenging
the
dhec
permit.
I
think
there
are
certain
circumstances
in
which
we
should
be.
We
just
can't
blanket
not
do
that.
These
are
very
nice
folks.
I
I've
met
with
them.
I
talked
with
them.
They
did
a
lot
of
work
cleaning
up
this
island,
but
it
has
a
very
historic
significance.
D
That's
what's
going
to
be
developed
out
there
and
if
they
can't
build
a
structure
that
the
fire
marshal
is
not
going
to
sign
off
on
because
we
can't
service
it,
then
what
is
it?
What
is
the
whole
idea
of
having
this
power
source
out
there
in
at
all?
I
mean
that's
sort
of
a
you
know
begs
the
question:
why
are
they
doing
this
when
they
know
there's
a
huge
possibility
that
nothing's
going
to
be
allowed
to
be
built
out
there
they've
got
solar
panels
out
there
now
to
service
whatever
small
level
energy
they
need.
D
So
I
it's
sort
of
a
open-ended
question.
If
you
can't
build
a
residence
out
there
and
you
they
can't
allow
to
have
it
as
a
short-term
rental
project
out
there.
What's
the
purpose
of
all
the
power
that
they
need.
This
is
a
huge
expense
on
their
part
and
I'll
sort
of
end.
Up
with
with
that
question,
I
know
that
we've
been
in
contact
with
diane
hamilton,
the
president
of
the
maryville
national
neighborhood
association,
to
be
in
contact
with
you,
councilman
marian
and
councilman
sacrament
as
well.
E
D
E
E
So
anyway,
it's
a
pleasure
whether
we
think
we
should
be
doing
that,
because
we
will
see
this
again
on
other
little
little
island
land
masses
that
right
now
we
go
over
these
bridges
and
you
know
ride
in
our
boats
and
they
almost
look
like
no
man's
land.
But
you
know
what
they're
not
on
no
man's
land.
Somebody
owns
those
things
we
want
that
we
want
them
developed
any
other
input.
Councilman
appel.
I
said
council,
lady
jackson
on
any
any
input.
E
N
N
You
know
dominion,
electric
survey,
you
know
these
are
all
ender
rounds
like
if
we
don't
want
to
see
development
on
small
marsh
islands,
let's
pass
an
ordinance
not
allowing
development
on
small
marsh
islands
and
cite
all
kinds
of
environmental
and
cultural
justification
for
it.
We
can
come
up
with
a
lot.
N
I
just
think:
that's
that's
the
more
elegant,
more
direct
tool
to
addressing
these
issues,
rather
than
kind
of
admiring
us
and
more
of
these
technical
matters
that,
as
councilmember
griffin
pointed
out,
may
not
really
be
our
role
frankly
in
these
kind
of
matters,
but
but
there's
no
question
that
that
there's
an
issue
here
that
needs
to
be
addressed,
and
I
I
would
welcome
that
discussion
about
what
are
the
best
ways
to
go
about
doing
that.
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
that
helps
at
all,
but.
E
Again,
it
definitely
addresses
the
issue
of
it.
Seeing
it
again,
mr
mayor,
I
think
we
ought
to
begin
to
look
at
that
I
mean
how
do
you
define
small
marsh
islands?
I
don't
know
a
little
bit
more
thought
to
that.
I'm
sure
we've
come
up
with
that
definition
as
well,
but
you
know
the
idea
of
you
know.
Seeing
lights
come
up
out
in
the
marsh
in
our
future,
I
don't
think
is
an
attractive
one.
E
D
I
think
we
just
bring
it
back
in
front
of
city
council
in
full
tomorrow.
Let
the
property
owners
be
aware
of
that.
Let
them
have
an
opportunity
to
comment
on
it
tomorrow,
so
that
they
can
be
heard.
I
think
that's
that's
only
fair
and
let
other
citizens
weigh
in
on
on
this
to
see
what
direction
we're
going.
I'm
looking
at
a
lengthy
email
from
charlie
smith,
who
just
said
something
to
me.
He
said
all
members
of
council,
so
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
have
some
further
discussion
on
the
council
member.
E
I
O
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
a
committee
that
I'm
not
serving
on,
but
I
I
think
the
only
topic
that
I
have
not
heard
you
all
touch
on
that.
I
understand
part
of
the
process
that
has
been
part
of
the
review
of
this
island
or,
however,
it's
happened
which
does
seem
sort
of
helter
skelter
in
terms
of
what
came
first,
the
one
that
hasn't
been
touched
on
today
is
the
state
historic
preservation
officer,
and
I
think
mr
smith
does
have
the
latest
on
that
information.
O
D
E
E
Frankly,
how
did
how
did
the
zoning
even
come
on
this
island
and
why
wasn't
it
conservation
versus-
I
don't
know
single
family
or
whatever
it's
doing
this?
We
need
to
revisit
that
with
the
other
islands,
but
I
think
we
definitely
need
to
have
an
action
step
on
these
small
marsh
islands,
as
councilman
referred
to
as
being
okay.
D
Yeah,
I
would
second
that
direction
from
councilmember
pal
about
looking
at
what
other
islands
are
around
here.
This
is
like
you
said:
it's
not
a
barrier
island,
but
this
has
a
different
name
to
it.
That
and
looking
at
an
archaeology
ordinance,
I
mean
that's
the
other
way
of
addressing
us,
not
relying
on
the
state,
but
relying
on
our
own,
I
mean
the
city
is
celebrating
commemorated
his
350th
anniversary.
E
N
I
just
couldn't
help
myself
and
I've
logged
on
to
the
city's
online
zoning
map
and
yeah.
It
sure
looks
like
that
whole
marsh
zone
over
there
is
all
zoned
conservation,
so
I
don't
know
you
know.
Maybe
we
do
need
to
take
a
closer
look
at
this.
Maybe
we've
got
the
right
zoning
in
place
already.
I
I
don't
know
I
haven't
studied
that.
P
Conservation
allows,
I
think
it
might
be
one
one
dwelling
unit
per
acre,
but
there
is
a
you
are
allowed
to
build
dwelling
units
in
under
conservation
zoning.
I
don't
think
we
have
a
zoning
category
that
does
not
allow
dwelling
units,
probably
because
of
takings
issues.
They're
called
hammock
islands
a
lot
of
times,
I'm
familiar
with
them
because
of
mary,
shade
councilmember,
shade's,
wife,
there's
a
case
in
the
supreme
court.
P
Many
years
ago,
pat
tenney
versus
d
heck
that
she
won
and
we
we
worked
together
a
little
bit
on
that
case,
and
you
know
the
the
supreme
court
sort
of
refused
to
recognize
a
difference
in
terms
of
environmental
permitting
between
hammock
islands
and
other
islands.
Because
of
the
difficulty
in
determining
you
know
what
a
hammock
island
or
a
small
island
or
a
large
island
you
know,
is
isle
of
palms,
an
island.
You
know
at
what
point?
Can
you
stop?
P
I
think
the
main
thing
is
fire
access,
and
you
know
we've
got.
We've
got
things
that
don't
make
it
easy
to
develop
on
these
small
islands
in
the
code
for
good
reason,
because
we
need
to
be
able
to
get
fire
trucks
to
a
particular
point,
especially
if
they're
sold
or
subdivided
or
what
have
you
in
the
future.
P
I
if
it
were
otherwise
accessible
and
developable
you'd
have
a
problem,
just
sort
of
saying
you
can't
develop
on
it,
but
it's
up
to
them
to
make
it
accessible
and
developable
in
the
first
place,
and
that
may
be
tough,
especially
with
the
fire
code.
I
will
tell
you:
I
just
received
an
email
from
trenham
who
represents
the
developer
and
was
asking
about
something.
Last
week,
apparently
they
submitted
a
fire
plan
to
rick
fluge
for
a
cabin
to
build
a
small
cabin
on
the
island.
We
just
got
the
email.
H
I
just
want
to
make
a
point
clear
too,
just
so
for
the
general
public
and
and
especially
for
the
swain
family.
You
know
I
don't
you
know,
I
think
it's
it's
a
personal
opinion
or
you
know
a
governing
opinion
whether
or
not
we
think
this
is
a
good
idea
or
not,
but
the
swain
family.
I
and
my
personal
view
has
done
nothing
wrong.
They
purchased
a
piece
of
property
that
was
zoned.
H
You
know
conservation
r1.
What
have
you
and
have
you
know,
looked
into
an
investment
of
what
they
want
to
do
on
the
property,
whether
or
not
we
agree
with
it
or
not.
That
is
a
an
issue
that
we
need
to
to
discuss
and
really
its
view
of
how
we
want
to
look
at
things
in
the
future,
but
we
don't.
You
know
I
felt
like
back
in
december.
H
We
got
kind
of
abrasive
with
them
and
it's
not
it's
not
what
they've
done.
They
haven't
done
anything
wrong
other
than
buy
a
piece
of
property.
It
was
zoned,
they
have
property
rights
and
they
explored
those
property
rates.
It's
more
of
a
fundamental
issue
that
some
members
of
council,
you
know,
agree
with
it
and
don't
agree
with
it,
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
very
respectful,
especially
if
they
come
tomorrow
night,
that
we
don't
point
the
finger
at
them.
H
I
mean
because,
to
be
honest
with
you,
we
could
have
bought
this
property
as
a
city
before
they
did
and
we
didn't
and
we're
having
this
argument
after
the
fact,
whereas
we
you
know
this
probably
should
have
been
an
issue
long
before
today
and
if
they
hadn't
bought
the
property
and
looked
into
their
property
rights
and
what
they
could
put
on
it.
We
probably
wouldn't
even
be
having
this
this
discussion,
so
I
just
want
to
put
that
point
out.
There.
D
Councilman,
I
don't
think
anyone's
pointing
the
finger
at
the
owners.
I
just
think
that
this
is
a
huge
issue
dealing
with
how
it
impacts
surrounding
property
owners
and
that's
important
part
of
all
this
discussion
and
very
nice
people.
I
mean
they
very
much
have
contributed
a
lot
of
money
to
other
nonprofit
causes
it's
a
it's
a
beautiful
island
situated
and
it's
somewhat
isolated,
but
someone
right
in
the
middle
of
all
this
activity.
D
So
I
want
to
give
everybody
a
fair
shake
on
it
and
our
constituents
have
asked
us
to
review
it
and
that's
our
responsibility
just
to
look
into
these
things
and
see
what
we
need
to
do
it
like
I
said
earlier
and
mr
mcqueen
just
brought
this
back
up.
The
whole
thing
made
me
moot,
because
if
you
can't
get
a
fire
truck
out
there
to
respond
to
a
distress,
call
they're
not
going
to
have
a
permit
to
build
anything
out
there,
that's
of
any
of
any
substance.
D
E
P
I
didn't
want
to
clarify
they
did
they
did
not
submit
a
plan
for
a
cabin
at
the
at
the
fire
marshal's
request.
They
submitted
a
plan
for
fire
access
for
the
shed
and
then
the
fire
marshal
asked
it
to
address
the
possibility
of
building
another
structure
out
there
to
the
extent
that
happened.
So
I
did
want
to
clear
that
up
for
the
record-
and
I
also
wanted
to
clear
up
a
lot
of
people
think
this
is
the
case.
Unzoned
property
is
not
undevelopable
property.
P
We
don't
zone
property
property
unzoned
is
is
not
subject
to
any
regulation
under
zoning.
You
only
add
regulation
by
zoning
it,
so
we
want
to
zone
property.
I
know
this
was
a
misunderstanding
last
year
about
another
property,
but
we
want
some
sort
of
zoning
on
the
property.
Even
if
it's
you
can't
do
anything
with
it
or
on
every
property,
not
this
particular
property,
but
yeah.
So.