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City of Charleston Committee on Public Works and Utilities 9/12/22
B
It's
good
afternoon,
everybody,
let's
call
them
meeting
the
order
and
councilman
shayed.
You
look
appropriate
today
with
you
ribbon.
C
Please,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
yesterday
we
commemorated
the
21st
anniversary
of
9
11,
and
I
want
to
turn
our
attention
to
those
men
and
women
who
died
in
that
terrible
episode
and
to
the
brave
men
and
women
of
the
new
york
fire
department,
new
york
police
department,
to
sacrifice
trying
to
help
others,
and
we
can
keep
them
in
our
in
our
thoughts
and
our
prayers
and
let
their
memory
never
fade
from
from
our
hearts
and
our
minds
and
also
our
prayers
to
our
friends
across
the
pond.
C
Great
britain
lost
a
true
leader,
a
woman
who
was
96
years
old,
but
conducted
herself
always
as
as
a
lady
and
was
a
hallmark
of
the
british
empire,
and
I
I
feel
for
them,
because
she
was
their
keel
for
such
a
long
time
and
I
think
they'll
be
going
through
a
transition
period.
So
we
keep
our
friends
in
our
our
prayers
as
well,
and
we
think
about
all
those
souls
who
have
given
their
lives
for
the
benefit
of
our
country
and
our
city
amen.
B
I
mean
thank
you.
Thank
you.
We
entertain
the
approval
of
the
minutes
of
july
18th
and
august
15th,
probably
probably
moving.
Second,
any
questions
on
those
minutes.
Hearing
that
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Thank
you.
Item
c
request
to
set
a
public
hearing
on
the
closing
and
abandonment
of
portion
of
north
stirling
drive
who's
going
to
address.
D
Yes,
sir,
mr
chairman,
north
sterling
drive
is
a
street
off
of
willow.
Lake
drive
over
on
james
island
and
portion
of
it
is
is
unpaid.
This
is
a
road
which
the
city
accepted
from
the
county
and
and
it's
unimproved
I
think,
julia's
going
to
share
the
screen
with
us
here
where
you
can
see
this
area
right
here
and
there's
actually
a
little.
D
It's
like
a
dike
or
a
dam
here,
and
it's
unimproved
and
we've
received
a
request
to
to
have
a
closing
of
that
portion
of
that
road,
and
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
set
a
public
hearing
for
the
first
city
council
meeting
in
october,
which
will
give
us
time
to
get
comments
from
neighbors
and
also
the
city
departments
which
is
could
affect.
So
we
would
request
that
you
allow
us
to
set
that
public
hearing
for
the
october.
I
believe
it's,
the
11th
city
council
meeting.
E
B
D
E
Twisted
sense
of
humor,
oh
yeah,
I
think
setting
a
public
hearing
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
we'll
get
the
public
input
and
we'll
go
from
there.
B
A
Hey,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
sorry
to
jump
in
again
on
this
committee.
I
just
saw
that
this
was
on
the
agenda.
Oh.
A
I
met
with
these
homeowners
a
while
back,
and
I
just
I
if
I
hadn't
looked
at
this
agenda,
I
wouldn't
have
known
that
this
was
on
tonight.
You
know
tonight's
tomorrow
night's
agenda,
so
I
definitely
would
like
to
talk
to
you,
mr
o'brien.
A
Sorry
further
about
what
was
presented.
Did
you
have
further
communication
with
the
community
regarding
this.
D
We've
received
a
petition
councilmember
parker
from
I
believe
it's
seven
property
owners
over
there,
two
of
which
are
city
residents.
Five
are
members
of
the
the
county,
but
we
we've
received
that
and
they've
asked
for
this
portion.
We've
been
out
there,
matt
altop,
and
I
have
been
out
there
and
looked
at
the
road
and
there's
some
issues.
D
They've
had
with
some
people
dumping
out
there,
which
we've
been
trying
to
correct
also,
but
but
that's
the
only
thing
we've
had
in
our
normal
process
would
be
to
to
send
out
to
city
departments
that
could
adversely
affect
fire
police
public
service
and
also
able
to
get
input
from
the
neighbors.
So
one
of
obviously
we
would
be
contacting
you
and
what
I
usually
do
in
a
situation
like
this.
I
would
send
a
letter
to
all
the
adjoining
property
owners
to
give
them
an
opportunity
to
know
this
so
nobody's
caught.
My
surprise.
A
B
A
Do
agree-
and
I
do
agree
with
council
member
appel
and
I've
talked
with
these
homeowners,
but
not
the
rest
of
the
community.
So
I
agree
council,
member
appel,
I
I'm
I'm
leery.
D
We
would
also
I'm
not
sure
if
there's
an
active,
neighborhood
association
there
we
work
through
meg
thompson
and
becca
our
neighborhood
services
people
and
if
there
is
an
opportunity
to
get
the
word
through
their
neighborhood
association,
so
anybody
that
could
be
affected.
Obviously,
I
think
a
lot
of
people
use
that
road,
not
just
the
people
that
live
and
join
into
it,
so
we'll
make
sure
we
get
input
from
everybody.
So
we
don't
have
any
situations
like
we've
had
in
the
past.
We've
had
some
closures.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
catholic
parker.
Any
other
comment.
D
B
Okay
call
the
question
all
in
favor
sitting
in
public
hearing,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed
eyes.
Have
it
now
down
the
item:
e
acceptance
and
dedication
rights
away
item
one
the
point
at
roads,
crossing
alternatives.
D
Mr
chairman,
this
is
this
is
a
a
a
development
which
is
off
of
sanders
road
off
of
beast
ferry,
road,
75,
lots
and
everything's
been
constructed,
inspected
and
accepted,
and
we
were
therefore
recommended.
Those
roadways
listed
on
the
agenda
be
entered
into
the
city.
Roadway
system
by
information
accounts
still.
B
D
Try
this:
this
is
a
very
small
portion
of
south
fork
drive
which
is
west
ashley,
and
this
is
just
eight
lots,
a
very
small
development
which
also
that
portion
of
the
road
has
been
constructed,
accepted
and
inspected.
So
we
would
therefore
recommend
that
be
brought
in.
B
All
right,
please,
for
approval,
probably
moved
in
any
more
discussion
on
this
small
subdivision
hearing
that
all
in
favor,
please
say
any
of
any
opposed.
Thank
you.
I
don't
have
temporary
encroachments.
Mr
bryant
anything
unusual.
There,
sir.
D
Nothing
unusual
we
do
have.
I
just
want
to
call
note
at
125,
king.
This
is
for
two
very
small
tables
and
chairs,
but
it's
not
for
dining.
It's
just
to
allow
you
know
with
us
being
a
great
walkable
city.
Sometimes
we
get
requests
from
some
businesses
to
have
a
place
for
people
just
to
sit
down
and
relax
and
enjoy
the
street,
and
this
is
the
sidewalk's
wide
enough.
There
we've
measured
it
and
everything
so
we're
gonna,
recommend
and
allow
that
temporary
encroachment
of
those
benches.
B
B
All
right,
any
opposed
actually
else
for
information.
Real
item
g
public
service
update
approval
of
an
ordinance
that
may
have
executed
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
two-year
renewable.
This
is
from
alexander
street.
D
Discussion
has
prepared
an
ordinance
to
come
for
council
and
I'm
going
to
let
her
she's
got
anything
she'd
like
to
add,
but
basically
there
were
some
requirements
which
we
recommended,
which
council
put
on
in
order
for
them
to
do
and
that's
to
have
a
complete,
concrete
apron
and
julia.
You
have
anything
else.
You
want
to
add
on
that
yeah.
We.
A
No
actually
tom,
that
was,
that
was
lovely.
We
were
in
front
of
you
guys,
I
think
last
committee
meeting
and,
and
you
instructed
us
to
come
back
with
a
two
with
a
license
agreement.
This
is
a
two-year
renewable
and
yes,
they
we
do
have
the
option
to
block
it
with
24
hours
notice.
If
we
have
an
event
or
anything
like
that,
and
they
do
have
to
put
the
concrete
apron
in
and.
A
B
D
Before
we
move
on
to
stormwater
I
I
do
have
one
little
quick
update,
I'd
like
to
give
to
the
community.
As
we
all
know,
we've
had
garbage
and
trash
issues.
Lately
I
talked
with
matt
about
20
minutes
before
we
came
on
and
we're
starting
to,
I
think
turn
the
corner
on
that
we'll
predict.
D
It
fell
actually
about
five
to
five
that
we're
going
to
complete
all
garbage
and
trash
routes
on
time
today
for
monday,
I
will,
if
you
know
that
we
still
are
using
the
council
under
you
know
the
requests
we
made
and
assistance
from
amy
and
her
office
and
the
mayor
and
council.
We
we
have
the
ability
to
use
our
two
contract
companies
that
would
be
tried
in
capital
waste
and
trying
to
actually
did
run
a
garbage
route
for
us
west
africa
today,
which
allowed
us
to
finish
on
time.
D
So
we're
very
thankful
for
that
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
to,
hopefully
augment
support
our
staff
as
we
continue
to
move
and
get
back
on
a
normal
schedule
to
get
everybody
collected
in
the
same
week,
they're
due
great.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
tom
thanks
for
that,
because
I
had
asked
for
that
to
be
on.
Our
agenda
was
an
update
and
I
think
the
last
discussion
that
we
had
was
regarding
this
limiting
the
size
of
the
loads,
and
I
think
we
moved
into
a
discussion
whether
or
not
we
wanted
to
do
a
yard
debris
every
other
week.
Instead.
C
So
I
don't
know
where
we
kind
of
stand
with
all
that,
but
I
I
would
suspect
most
of
us
on
representing
parts
of
west
ashley
have
gotten
calls
it's
calmed
down
significantly
and
I
think
y'all
got
you
know
caught
up
and
you
know
I.
D
D
We
we're
asking
julia
and
her
staff
are
looking
at
those
now
we're
looking
at
them
again
to
do
and
come
up
with
a
report,
and
once
we
get
everything
in
a
position
where
we
feel
the
numbers
and
some
of
those
requirements
for
measurements
that
you
mentioned,
and
things
like
that,
we
will
be
we'll
get
in
with
y'all
to
come
back
on
the
committee
and
make
some
recommendations,
but
we're
still
looking
and
trying
to
finalize
those
as
we
speak.
A
Okay,
so.
B
We
carried
the
motion
on
item
g.
Sorry,
mr
fountain
you're
up
each
one.
F
Yep,
thank
you
sherman.
So
h1
is
a
amendment
to
our
professional
services
contract
with
wolpert.
This
is
the
church
creek
specific
amendment
or
church
creek
specific
professional
services
contract.
F
In
this
case,
it
is
primarily
used
for
plane
review
of
incoming
development
projects
under
the
kind
of
what
we
call
the
master
watershed
model
that
wolbert
maintains
for
us
in
that
basin.
F
B
B
All
right,
good,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
thank
you
items,
h2
floodplain
potential
restrictions
for
floodplain
construction.
F
F
F
One
of
the
proposals
we
had
come
up
with
with
the
work
group
was
looking
at
potentially
restricting
the
use
of
slab
on
grade
foundations,
which
generally
incentivize
phil,
because
you
need
to
build
your
ground
floor
elevation
up
to
be
able
to
put
your
concrete
slab
in
above
the
the
city's
design
flood
elevation
under
the
fema
flood
maps.
F
So
we've
had
a
pretty
a
pretty
involved
and
I'd
say
wide
represented
work.
Group
we've
got
people
from
the
developers
from
home
builders.
We
have
environmental
groups,
other
stakeholders,
interest
groups,
the
realtors
chamber
of
commerce
has
talked
with
us
about
it.
So
it's
been,
it's
pretty
been
pretty
wide-ranging,
trying
to
figure
out
what
impact
would
this
have
on
people
and
what
are
the
interests
I'll
say?
Currently,
we've
been
targeting
the
hundred
year.
F
Flood
plain
is
a
method
that
is
relatively
well
regulated
already
and
obviously
is
the
focal
point
of
heavy
fill
usage
in
order
to
get
those
foundations
up
out
of
the
floodplain.
We've
been
looking
at
a
residential
focus,
not
impacting
certain
commercial
industrial
buildings
that
basically
normally
need
a
slab
on
grade
style
foundation.
Typically,
there's
a
heavier
support
there,
but
if
you're
building
a
warehouse,
if
you're
building
certain
commercial,
you
really
can't
elevate
practically
your
schools,
for
instance
institutional
buildings
and
those
are
eligible
for
flood
proofing.
F
So
typically
they
won't
pay
for
phil
they'll,
actually
go
for
commercial
flood
proofing.
Instead
to
be
able
to
build
buildings
in
that
manner,
and
then
we've
one
of
the
areas
we've
been
talking
about
quite
a
bit
is
how
this
will
impact
height
of
buildings
and
that's
obviously,
a
sensitive
subject
in
in
charleston.
F
F
You
end
up
building
a
taller
building
if
you
do
slab
on
grade
foundations,
but
if
you
don't
fill
the
ground
and
instead
you
build
an
elevated
foundation
method
like
a
crawl
space
or
a
drive
under
you
end
up
with
more
stories,
even
though
the
top
of
the
building
ends
up
at
a
very
similar
elevation
to
what
it
would
have
been
if
you'd
filled
the
ground,
so
the
buildings
look
taller
and
they
are
compared
to
the
ground
level.
So
that's
been
one.
That's
an
interesting
discussion
point
obviously
right.
I
think.
F
Obviously
the
building
community
would
appreciate
more
flexibility
and
how
to
set
up
that
vertical,
spacing
where
they
get
some
advantage.
Basically,
for
not
elevating
this
lab
and
said
they
have
more
usable
space,
I
don't
think
that's
without
merit,
though
they're
certainly
considerations
from
the
zoning
plan
department
that
they're
looking
at
so
that
was
my
quick
summary.
I
think
what
we're
looking
for
committee
input
on
mr
chairman
is:
how
do
and
again
we
don't
need
to
necessarily
finalize
anything
today.
F
Year,
floodplain
is
the
right
target
or
whether
to
move
to
like
a
500
year,
floodplain,
which
is
shaded
zone
x
and
flood
maps.
We
don't
currently,
as
a
city,
really
do
much
regulation
in
that
area,
but
it's
certainly
more
protective.
So
there's
there's
just
been
discussion
back
and
forth
of
either
option.
F
But
you
don't
actually
elevate
it
with
like
a
crawl
space
underneath
those
are
less.
Obviously
that's
a
less
resilient
method
of
construction
because
you
can
elevate
it
later
with
by
jacking
the
building
up
as
easily,
but
typically
with
very
large
buildings
like
townhomes
you're,
somewhat
less
likely
to
be
able
to
elevate
inexpensively
anyway
with
the
construction
methodologies.
So
that's
been
there
and
I'll.
Send
you
all
a
summary
on
on
these
talking
points?
F
I
don't
expect
you
to
memorize
it
today,
but
we
also
looked
at
that
again
that
discussion
of
vertical
considerations
would
we
be
okay
with
basically
allowing
a
non-inhabitable
floor
is
not
counting
towards
the
story
limit
in
a
building
and
then
lastly,
just
wanted
to
emphasize.
Our
current
approach
is
not
tying
any
of
this
to
like
valuation,
substantial
improvement,
substantial
damage,
it's
only
if
you
were
installing
a
new
foundation
for
the
building.
F
So
if
you
do
have
a
building
that
is
completely
torn
down
and
you
rip
the
foundation
out,
yes,
you'd
have
to
build
an
elevated
foundation,
but
there
wouldn't
be
like
you
have
damage
to
your
roof.
Therefore,
you're
gonna
have
to
come
back
and
change
your
foundation
out,
because
that
starts
to
be
a
higher
burden
for
a
homeowner.
So
we
tied
it
to
if
you're,
installing
a
new
foundation,
it's
going
to
have
to
be
one
of
these
elevated
methodologies
again
for
residential
structures.
F
So
those
are
the
so
the
four
initial
talking
points
I'm
happy
to
do
those
one
at
a
time
or
if
there's
any
general
thoughts
from
the
group,
and
we
can
certainly
come
back
at
a
later
date
for
a
more
involved
discussion.
Yeah.
B
Let
me
do
it
it's
number
here
and
ultimate,
then
the
mayor
and
then
council,
member,
apparel
and
that'll,
be.
C
Mr
chairman
matt,
I'm
having
flashbacks
of
meetings
we
had
with
the
roundtable
discussions
on
the
manual,
so
this
is
not
covered
in
our
renewed
manual.
F
If
you're
doing
a
single
small
structure,
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
ordnance
coverage
on
that
on
a
single
residential
structure,
so
like
an
infill
property,
for
instance,
there's
very
little
regulation
in
the
city
currently
for
a
single
home
built.
There
are
regulations
if
you
have
multiple
homes
being
built,
if
you're
in
a
development
or
if
you're,
in
a
larger
above
a
half
acre
of
development
on
a
smaller
parcel.
F
But
we
don't
have
anything
for
individual
infill
and
then
this
one
is
is
supposed
to
sort
of
tie
into
that
a
little
more
councilman
in
terms
of
trying
to
limit
the
ecological
damage
of
wool,
which
we
don't
cover
in
the
stormwater
manual,
and
also
trying
to
make
homes
more
resilient
for
the
future
and
that
they're
easier
to
elevate
additional
feet
if
they're
built
on
a
crawl
space
than
if
they're
built
on
a
higher
slab.
Basically.
C
I
I
just
thought
we
had
covered
all
of
that
because
I
just
remembered
coming
to
apparel
shaking
his
head.
No,
but
I
just
kind
of
thought
we
had
covered
those
kind
of
contingencies
when
we
were
having
those
discussions
among,
but
maybe
not
I
just
sort
of
was
running
together
now,
but
if
this
is
something
we
need
to
address,
certainly
we
need
to
cover
that
that
loophole
or
that
that
missing
length
on
these
issues
so
glad
to
do
it.
I
just
I
just
assumed
we
had
done
all
of
that,
because
it
was
very
thorough
discussions.
C
We
had
with
several
stakeholders
as
we're
going
through
those
workshops,
so.
F
We
we
did
certainly
incorporate
many
of
the
concerns,
but
it
wasn't
kind
of
as
all-encompassing
as
an
approach
like
this
would
be.
It
did
have
still
gaps
within
it
because
we
only
covered
what
was
basically
covered
by
this.
What
developments
are
covered
by
the
stormwater
manual?
F
I
mean
we
didn't
necessarily
address
construction
methodology
like
making
sure
your
house
basically
could
be
elevated
in
the
future.
If
you
know
there
was
a
severe
flooding
issue.
C
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
matt
and
other
staff
members
that
have
been
a
part
of
these
discussions.
I
was
at
a
meeting
I'll
share
just
a
couple
weeks
ago
at
the
chamber
of
commerce
and
even
though
they
admitted
that
everybody
didn't
agree
on
everything
so
far,
but
that
they
were
all
complementary
of
being
included
and
being
part
of
the
discussion
and
felt
like
we
had
come
a
long
way
towards
having
consensus
on
on
these
requirements
about
phil
and
building
on
on
slab.
G
So
I
would
suggest
some
that
we
move
forward
and
and
get
a
written
ordinance
before
us
to
consider
and-
and
I
would
the
the
question-
I
don't
know
what
specific
questions
would
help
give
guidance
at
this
point,
matt
other
than
the
one
you
raised
about
the
100
and
500
year.
Flood
plain-
I
I
think
my
my
take
would
be
to
let's
get
something
passed
and,
and
there
seemed
to
be
consensus
on
the
100
year-
flood
floodplain.
G
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
I've
been
very
impressed
by
how
this
discussion
has
unfolded
over
the
last
several
months.
As
matt
alluded
to.
There
is
a
working
group
of
every
notable
business
development,
environmental
and
historic
preservation
group
that
has
been
involved
in
these
discussions.
Dale
morris,
I
got
to
give
him
a
shout
out,
he's
been
excellent
throughout
this
process
as
well,
and
we're
doing
this,
I
think
the
right
way,
which
is
you
know
some
folks,
have
some
ideas.
They
want
to
get
it
vetted.
E
E
That
seems
to
be
the
case
that
it
is,
and
I
know
that
there
are
several
of
us
that
similarly
have
been
involved
in
some
of
these
discussions
as
well,
but
you
know
we've
heard
over
the
years
band
phil
and
bill:
that's
not
a
policy,
that's
a
bumper
sticker
right!
E
This
is
what
that.
Actually
looks
like
when
it's
done
in
a
very
smart,
reasoned,
balanced
manner,
because
this
stuff
gets
very
complicated,
the
intersection
between
different
departments,
zoning
public
work,
storm
water,
etc.
This
has
to
be
done
very
thoughtfully
and
that's
what
we're
doing
and
the
bottom
line
is.
This
is
going
to
prohibit
some
of
the
worst
building
practices
in
the
worst
places.
This
is
what
the
dutch
dialogues
is
all
about.
E
We
don't,
and
this
is
something
we
can
do
now.
This
is
not
something
we
need
to
wait
for
the
zoning
overhaul
for
or
for
some
other
plan
to
come
on
the
horizon.
This
is
something
that
we
can
take
tangible
steps
on
today,
not
literally
today,
but
today
ish,
you
all
know
what
I'm
saying
to
actually
move
the
ball
forward,
so
we
can
go
back
to
our
constituents,
so
we
can
go
back
to
the
public
and
say
we
are
taking
discrete
enforceable
action
to
prevent
some
of
the
worst.
E
You
know
we're
learning
our
lesson.
I
mean
councilman
bowden,
I
mean
church
creek.
I
mean
that's
a
lesson
for
us
to
learn.
This
is
going
to
prevent
some
of
those
same
bad
development
practices
and
bad
development
decisions
moving
forward,
which
ultimately
is
in
the
best
interest
of
everybody,
the
taxpayers,
the
poor
homeowners
that
buy
into
these
situations
and
it's
ways
that
we
can
actually
show
that
the
ball
is
being
moved
forward.
So
I
could
not
be
more
proud
of
the
process.
E
You
know
specific
conversation
once
we
have
something
to
look
at,
but
I
think
this
is
a
real
opportunity
for
us
as
we
as
we
move
forward
and
as
we've
seen,
you
know
it
can
get.
It
can
get
pretty
wet
around
here,
as
we've
seen
over
the
past
30
days
or
so.
So
I
think
this
is
really
great
and
hope
we
can
continue
to
make
some
progress
on
this.
Thank
you.
B
Any
other
input
from
committee
members,
let
me
say
something.
I
actually
believe
that
I
agree
with
all
that's
been
said,
but
I
think,
and
in
their
explanation
needs
to
be
given
to
the
entirety
of
council.
I
think
before
an
ordinance
is
done
and
the
reason
I
say
that
we
get
quite
a
bit
of
information
on
the
public
works
committee,
but
we've
got
a
number
of
new
people
on
council.
Fortunately,
two
of
them,
you
know
on
at
least
one.
B
Councilman
right
now,
but
councilman
baldwin
is
actually
on
the
midi
here,
but
and
I'm
sure
some
of
the
ones
who've
been
on
council.
We
visit
this
as
opposed
to.
I
think
this
would
fall
in
the
category
of
what
we
had
an
ad
hoc
committee
on
not
too
long
ago.
This
last
week,
mr
mayor
on
something
important
being
held
in
the
in
the
committee
and
then
coming
forward
in
a
couple
of
days
or
so
to
the
entirety
of
council.
B
This
is
one
of
those
items
that's
been
worked
on
for
months
and
months,
if
not
a
couple
of
years.
That's
now
coming
building
up
into
a
consensus,
but
I
certainly
would
like
not
only
the
council,
the
council
members
that
own
this
committee
to
know,
but
certainly
all
12
council
members
to
be
up
to
speed
and
when
they
vote
yay
on
me
on
this
one.
So
I'm
glad
to
hear
all
the
work.
I've
heard
all
the
good
work
about
dale
also
councilman
lapel.
B
F
B
Think
this
is
so
important.
I
actually
think
we
ought
to
have
a
workshop
on
this
issue.
Okay
on
just
this
issue.
So
again
all
the
council
members
in
the
entirety.
If
they
choose
to
attend
fine
but
bring
them
up
to
speed,
let
them
know
the
pros
and
the
cons.
B
Let
the
professionals
come
and
have
their
say,
people
from
the
commercial
department,
the
environmentalists
and
then
then
we
get
to
the
audience
that
we
all
can.
It
makes
sense
for
our
city,
but
on
this
one
I
don't
want
people
to
be
partially
informed.
B
So
good
point,
I
would
ask
mr
mia
that
we
maybe
schedule
a
workshop
on
this
miss
mr
fountain,
and
then
you,
instead
of
having
an
another,
in-depth
meeting
on
this,
and
they
won't
just
schedule
a
workshop.
And
then
you
come
with
your
information
and
recommend
others
to
come
and
speak
to
us
as
well.
G
Yeah,
so
I
don't
know
if
anybody
on
legal
staff
has
been
drawing
anything
up
yet.
Could
I
just
respectfully
suggest
that
we
get
the
the
the
outline
of
ordinance
before
having
the
workshop,
so
we
can
have
you
know
pretty
definitive
options
to
have
discussion
points
around.
Does
that
make
sense?
B
Well,
I
just
frankly,
I
think
this
maybe
pushing
it
forward
a
little
too
fast.
I
think
some
more
information
needs
to
be
had
and
I
think
the
audience
that
would
subject
to
come
forward
would
be.
Let's
put
it
like
this
more
improved.
B
I
think,
mr
mr
fountain,
you
may
mention
about
bringing
more
descriptive
information,
maybe
to
the
next
public
works
meeting.
If
you
want
to
do
maybe
after
that
and
even
invite
other
council
members,
but
I
I
feel
confident
that
a
number
of
council
members
don't
have
the
information
on
this
one,
as
maybe
some
on
this
committee
already
possess
so
and.
F
B
Going
to
affect
the
whole
city,
so
I
think
we
don't
want
to
ramrod
this
one
through.
A
B
Yeah,
this
kind
of
reminds
me
of
the
floodplain,
but
plus
two
I
mean
I
mean
female
plus
two
and
remember
we
went
around
about
on
that
quite
a
bit,
not
so
much
for
new
housing,
but
for
some
of
the
existing
pieces
in
particular,
were
to
have
50
percent
of
damage
other
than
from
flooding.
B
G
All
right:
well,
let's
I'll,
ask
jennifer
to
pull
everyone
and
see
when
a
good
time
we
can
all
get
together
and
and
have
a
joint
discussion
and
workshop
on
this
that'd
be
fun.
G
Thank
you,
that'll
move
along
now
be
good.
B
I
agree:
that's
an
agenda.
I
do
have
something
that
I'm
going
to
add
to
the
ask
yeah
to
the
committee's
agenda
here
on
the
last
rainy
event.
Last
week
I
represent
older
district
west
ashland,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
his
low
line
of
some
of
these
houses
on
slab.
B
Now,
when
the
properties
flood
during
the
low
tide,
it
really
has
nothing
to
do
with
sea
level
rise
that
has
to
do
with
a
ditch.
That's
clogged
or
a
ditch
that
needs
to
be
larger
or
small
pipes
or
larger
pipes
need
to
be
put
in
place
or
to
outfall
those
three
that
combination
of
the
three
I
happened
to
go
to
a
couple
of
areas
that
water
went
into
people's
homes.
B
This
is
an
east
oak
forest
and,
while
I
was
taking
a
picture
of
the
water,
a
lady
happened
to
be
up
two
houses
away
on
her
deck
elderly
lady.
She
didn't
know
who
I
was,
and
she
shouted
at
me
just
for
me
to
hear
she
wasn't
mad
or
anything
like
that.
She
was
just
raising
a
voice,
because
I
was
about
two
three
houses
away
from
her
and
she
shouted
with
confidence.
B
They
aren't
going
to
do
anything,
in
other
words,
no
reason
to
take
your
picture.
Take
this
picture
when
she
said
they
she's
talking
about
us
talking
about
the
city
and-
and
I
also
spoke
to
one
couple-
husbands,
disabled
wife
is
battling
the
cancer
and
they
also
slutted,
probably
in
the
last
10
years,
not
at
least
a
third,
at
least
at
least
three
times
a
little
more
than
three
times
and
strictly
from
not
because
of
high
tides,
and
we
get
we
get
five
inches
of
rain
in
this
particular
case.
B
It
flooded
last
week
again
on
a
little
time,
so
I
wanted
to
put
on
the
agenda
the
areas
that
flood
doing
low
tide,
and
I
mean
I
don't
even
flood
the
streets.
I
mean
water
goes
into
people's
homes.
B
I'd
like
that
to
be
identified.
If
we
could,
because
I
know
the
district
I
represent,
and
the
only
one
I
know-
councilman
has
a
street
of
two
in
his
area-
councilmember
pal,
I
think
you've
got
one
or
two
in
your
areas.
I
don't
know
councilmember
bile,
you
probably
do
too,
and
I
think
somehow
we
need
to
put
a
priority
on
those
areas.
B
Mr
mayor
respectfully,
in
that
some
of
these
areas,
we've
known
about
since
I've
been
on
council
and
certainly
you've,
been
me
and
right
now
that
area
that
that
lady
spoke
to
me
about
she's
right,
we
aren't
doing
anything
and
when
you
sit
down
and
you
talk
to
a
person-
who's
been
in
the
house
45
years
and
they've
been
flooded
a
number
of
times.
B
You
know
fixed
incomes
matter
of
fact,
disability
income
and
elephant
ears
are
literally
in
the
ditch
right
next
door
to
them
that
those
that
are
overflowed
our
job
is
not
to
give
excuses
and
we're
in
a
position
now
having
to
give
frankly
excuses,
not
because
of
any
department
heads
not
because
of
you,
mr
mayor,
but
we
you
and
the
12
council
members.
B
B
I
just
don't
and
that's
that's
a
component
of
the
most
inexpensive
way
to
fix
a
drainage
problem.
Clean
the
ditch,
widen
the
ditch,
get
larger
pipes
clean
the
outfall.
We
can't
get
a
more
cost-effective
problem
to
fix
when
we
get
these.
You
know
deep,
deep
shafts
and
all
of
that
and
all
the
pumps
they
have
to
go
underneath
the
english
tunnel
and
things
like
that.
I
agree.
Those
are
huge
challenges,
but
not
gravity
flow
gravity
flow.
B
If
there's
an
area
that
we
should
be
proficient
at
as
a
town,
an
example
to
others
is
gravity,
flow
and
and
right
now,
councilmember
shade.
I
know
as
well
as
I
do
I
don't
know
specifically
councilmember
bell
and
it
some
areas
we
have
that
flood
are
strictly
due
to
commercial
areas
that
have
been
allowed
to
flow
through
residential
areas
and
the
majority
of
those
commercial
areas
were
done
prior
to
retention
funds
and
that
type
they're
holding
water
on
your
property
for
a
certain
period
of
time.
B
I
sure
thought
four
or
five
years
ago
I
asked,
and
I
thought
was
passed
to
bring
somebody's
own
shop,
a
requirement
to
bring
some
of
these
old
shopping
centers
and
to
comply,
and
if
we
haven't
done
that,
I
want
that
to
be
checked.
So
there's
copeland
can
check
into
that
illegal
can
check
in
and
then
I'd
be
very
appreciative,
because
if
that
time
has
run
the
areas
like
ashley
town
landing
need
to
carve
out
a
portion
of
property,
councilman
shane
holding
water
for
a
while
before
it
runs
through.
B
What
is
that
charlestown,
three
or
charlestown
floor,
or
whatever?
That
was
over
there?
Southeastern
galleries
and
and
the
crab
shack
shop,
shopping
center
areas
like
that
or
to
hold
some
water
on
that
site
before
it
runs
through
orleans
woods.
I
also
took
pictures
around
the
mall
during
that
period
of
time
of
videos
and
the
area
that
our
team,
mr
fountain
and
his
team
cleaned
out
the
big
old
canal
that
runs
in
front
of
law.
B
Mr
mayor,
it
was
over
flooded
to
where
it
looked
like
a
leak
and
I've
got
the
video
I'll
push
it
out
to
all
of
you,
so
the
canal
has
been
cleaned,
but
that
issue
of
it,
I
guess
getting
underneath
17
and
out
I
mean
up
yeah,
underneath
savannah
highway,
17
out
to
the
stone,
there's
some
kind
of
blockages
there,
because
it's
a
domino
effect
the
water
is
backing
up
like,
like.
I
don't
know
what.
B
In
this
case,
in
people's
home,
I
had
a
first-time
homebuyer
call
me,
and
he
literally
was
watching
the
water
praying
that
didn't
come
into
his
house.
He
actually
moves
the
car
to
higher
ground,
hoping
the
water
didn't
come
in.
B
These
people
in
this
particular
subdivision
have
a
a
lagoon
that
catches
the
water
off
of
this
up
over
their
subdivision,
actually
pretty
well,
but
there's
water
coming
from,
and
it's
probably
on
all
the
all
the
property
lines
go
out,
and
that
is
not
city
retention
here,
but
there's
a
big
ditch
that
comes
from
the
public.
B
That
runs
a
lot
of
water
into
it,
which
is
causing
it
to
overflow.
I
saw
it
with
my
own
eyes
last
week,
so
there's
some
fixes
that
we
can
do
over
there
while
we're
in
this
budget
process
that
I
think
we
need
to
wrap
up
in
areas
that,
when
it
floods
on
a
low
tide,
homes
are
threatened
with
water
intrusion.
B
So
all
right,
that's
what
I
want
place,
because
I
don't
know
where
all
those
areas
are,
but
I
know
where
they
are
in
the
district
that
I
represent
and
I
know
a
couple
of
them
where
other
people
represent
and
to
be
building
up
even
discussing
potentially
building
a
billion
dollar
plus
wall
around
the
city
and
not
address
water.
That's
coming
in
people
homes
today
or
having
a
some
sort
of
priority
list
there.
I
think
we
can
do
better.
B
So
that's
why
I'm
asking
for
this
to
be
I'm
not
pointing
the
finger
in
anybody
because,
as
part
of
my
problem,
which
means
it's
part
of
our
plan,
but
I
think
there's
a
a
solution
out
there
and
with
with
13
heads
and
professional
staff
that
we
got,
we
can
come
up
with
some
answers
with
that.
Mr
o'brien,
if
you
and
mr
fonte,
if
you
see
that,
would
be
placed
on
the
agenda,
I'd
be
I'm
very
appreciative.
Councilman.
C
And
I
know
you
know
the
areas
that
you
and
I
are
talking
about
and
because
part
of
our
district
sort
of
intersect
at
certain
points
and
the
street
off
of
gilmore
right
down
the
culverside
and-
and
some
of
it
quite
frankly-
is
that
some
of
these
trains
don't
got
paved
over
and
some
of
the
new
construction
on
outlying
areas
in
charlestown
the
states
kind
of
started
getting
flooded,
there's
simple
solutions
to
a
lot
of
the
stuff.
C
I
think
there's
simple
solutions.
I
may
be
wrong
on
that,
but
it's
having
low
tide
flooding
or
even
these
rain
bombs
that
occur,
which
seems
like
the
whole
month
of
august.
C
I
know
matt
has
been
inundated
with
calls
and
emails
that
we
all
got
on
our
residents
complaining
about
the
water
coming
in
at
the
high
tides
and
it's
I
hate
to
say
it's
the
usual
suspects,
but
after
you've
been
on
council
a
number
of
years.
C
You
see
this
recurring
theme,
keep
on
rising
again
and
again
so
glad
to
have
that
back
on
the
agenda,
mr
chairman,
and
have
some
more
discussion
about
it.
It's
it's
an
ongoing
issue,
we're
tackling
it
is
becoming
more
frequent,
unfortunately,
but
we
do
need
to
look
at
this
low
tide
phenomena
of
flooding,
our
our
residents,
even
and
even
to
the
point
that
if
we
can
just
control
it
by
sometimes
a
matter
of
inches
yeah,
it
will
prevent
it
from
coming
into
the
living
quarters
of
some
of
these
homes.
C
And,
if
that,
that's
that
sounds
kind
of
miniscule,
but
it
makes
a
huge
difference
for
a
lot
of
people
that
they're
not
worried
about
their
bathrooms
being
flooded
or
coming
into
their
living
room
or
their
kitchen
and
impacting
their
quality
of
life.
Because
it's
that
water
damage
hits
it's
it's
a
long-term
fix.
It's
not
a
short-term
solution
to
it.
So
if
we
can,
you
know,
if
coming
into
the
yard
is
one
thing.
C
D
B
Well,
one
way
to
get
them
identifies
for
all
council
members.
Look,
you
know,
I
know,
council
member,
probably
the
only
council
member
that
may
not
have
an
area.
I'd
say
me,
I
don't
know
is
maybe
councilman
greg
because
you
know
daniel
allen
was
built
with
the
best
of
engineering.
Well,
you
know
yeah
best
of
engineering
at
the
time
and
certainly
modern,
and
all
of
that
you
know
they
didn't
fill
in
creek
beds.
E
B
E
You
would
think
that
this
would
be
a
very
simple
issue
to
solve,
and
sometimes
it
is
sometimes
it's
the
matter
of
an
outfall
pipe.
That's
been
silted
in
and
we
can
operate
within
that
little
zone
that
doesn't
require
literally
federal
agencies
to
get
involved,
which
is
on
its
own
insane
and,
thank
goodness,
we're
finally
beginning
to
make
some
regulatory
reform
happen
with
the
state
and
federal
regulators.
E
But
in
my
district
at
least
what
we
get
into
and
I'm
sure
there's
similar
situations
over
in
district
five
and
over
in
district
nine
is
I'm
sorry.
District
seven
is
that
you
know
you
don't
have
public
storm
water
easements
in
the
right
places
so
in
in
some
of
the
older
neighborhoods
I
represent.
E
We
worked
on
a
project
over
an
old
windermere
in
the
crescent,
where
those
two
neighborhoods
intersect
and
I'm
telling
you
guys
it
took
over
a
year
to
get
those
easements
planted.
I
had
to
you
know,
go
and
walk
in
this.
Ditch
with
the
neighbors,
it
took
a
lot
of
grinding
to
get
that
done,
an
incredible
job
by
matt
and
his
department
chip
mcqueen.
He
remembered
him.
He
helped
really.
You
know,
dropping
up
all
these
documents.
E
It
is
not
easy
stuff,
but
but
it's
something
that
it's
really
worth
the
effort-
and
you
know
really,
each
of
these
situations
has
to
be
evaluated
on
a
case-by-case
basis
because
of
the
complexity
that
goes
into
some
of
these
situations
and
I've
found
matt
and
his
department
to
be
excellent
in
relatively
efficiently
kind
of
getting
to
the
nub
of
what
the
issue
is.
I
mean
we've
got
that
really
good.
I
think
it's
the
lidar
data.
I
hope
I'm
not
blowing
that
technical
concern,
but
you
know
you
know.
E
E
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
matt
taught
me
and
I've
learned
a
whole
lot
from
that
over
the
last
several
years
is
that
oftentimes,
the
measure
of
progress
when
it
comes
to
flooding
is
not
so
much
preventing
flooding,
because
that
is
an
inevitability
in
so
many
of
these
situations
because
of
what
I
just
mentioned.
But
the
true
measure
of
success
is
how
far
how
fast
can
the
water
get
out.
A
E
The
rain
stops
and
the
tide
goes
out
and
really
that
I
think
you
know
helps
alleviate
some
of
the
worst
problems
for
people
is
standing
water
in
places
things
of
that
nature.
So
I
just
encourage
everybody,
you
know
and
format.
I
can't
even
imagine
what
your
inbox
must
look
like.
I
hope
I
don't
bother
you
too
much.
I
try
to
pick
my
battles,
but
but
really
it
is
a
case-by-case
situation
and
a
lot
of
times
you
really
have
to
get
in
there
with
the
neighbors
and
some
people
don't
like
giving
up.
E
Easements
right,
I
mean
you
gotta,
you
gotta
convince
people,
you
gotta
work
with
people,
but
you
know
we
all
gotta
take
responsibility
for
you
know
making
those
improvements
happen
at
the
margins.
You
know
a
lot
of
these
neighborhoods
were
developed
in
a
very
poor
manner.
That's
we're
trying
to
get
away
from
with
some
of
these
new
perspective
changes.
We
were
talking
about
a
minute
ago,
but
we're
doing
a
great
job.
I
mean
I
can
speak
for
my
district.
E
B
Well,
listen
that
piece
about.
I
agree
with
95
99
what
you
said.
I'm
really
talking
specifically
areas
that
flood
doing
low
tide,
because
it's
a
number
of
these
areas,
at
least
that
I'm
familiar
with
a
number
of
them,
were
created.
B
These
places
didn't
flood
before,
in
other
words,
all
these
woods
floods,
because
of
allowing
probably
almost
a
dozen
commercial
developments
to
flow
through
that
neighborhood.
Okay,
it
I'm
very
familiar
with
that
area.
Since
I
was
12
years
old
and
I'll
be
67
in
a
week
and
a
half
so
one
of
the
at
charlestown.
B
Is
it
three
councilman
shade
on
the
back
part
of
ashley
town
landing
there,
where
the
magistrate
office
used
to
be
over
there,
that
area
that
neighborhood
back
there
floods
because
of
the
water
that's
coming
off
of
actually
town
landing,
that's
running
through
there
and
nothing
to
do
with
high
tide
or
low
tide.
B
So
I
think
there
may
be
a
in
particular
west.
Actually,
a
number
of
other
areas
like
that,
so
these
flooding
problems
have
been
created
because,
as
projects
got
developed,
it
was
cost
effective
instead
of
running
it
to
the
highway
61
drainage
system,
running
through
a
neighborhood,
ditch
and
and
nobody
kept
up
with
them
after
a
while,
you
know
something's
being
approved
in
the
county,
something
being
approved
in
the
city.
B
Next
thing
you
know
the
neighborhood
is
the
one
that's
being
flooded
so
anyway,
but
you'll
be
surprised,
but
just
like
that,
easement
you
got
for
people
to
sign
off
on
it
took
more
than
a
year
to
do.
I
don't
is
that
ditching,
mr
fountain.
Has
that
just
been
put
in
there
on
that
easement
that
councilman
pal
referred
to?
F
F
Finally,
yes,
I
was
very
happy,
so
we
actually,
we
actually
put
out
for
bid
on
friday
the
outfall
cleaning
work
based
on
that
court.
Permanent
work
through
the
legal
department
heroically
reviewing
something
very
late
in
the
evening
on
friday,
all
right
great,
but
that
was
as
constant
velvet
mentioned.
That
was
17
months
of
review
time
for
that
permit.
B
Listen
there's
a
ditch
that
was
put
in
in
sherwood
forest,
but
for
that
ditch
I
think
the
whole
thing
costs
150
000.,
but
for
that
that
additional
ditch
two
houses
would
have
flooded.
Last
week
those
houses
did
not
flood.
B
B
Okay,
so
these
little
projects
in
these
old
areas,
we
get
a
lot
of
bang
for
the
buck
for
them
and
in
this
budget
process,
mr
mia,
hopefully,
along
with
the
men
that
councilman,
we
got
to
look
on
the
rocks
and
stones
to
find
extra
dollars
for
stormwater
as
well
as
our
you
know,
our
general
fund
budget
to
pay
our
people
so
properly,
but
anyway,
I've
talked
longer
than
I
wanted
to
own
that
just
to
get
an
item
on
the
agenda
that
I
cheered
but
anyway
so
anyhow,
any
other
input.
F
Council,
yes,
sir,
yes
alicia
may
have
feelings
about
that.
But
yes,
you
can
certainly
give
me
a
call.