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City of Charleston Committee on Public Works and Utilities 12/5/2022
B
Right
great,
let's
call
the
meeting
the
order,
hello,
Mr
Man
everybody
in
particularly
our
guests
from
Charleston
Water
System.
Let's
see
Mr
Rob
with
his
headsets
all
officially
over
there.
Thank
you,
Council
Mission
yeah.
Would
you
bring
a
few.
C
Words
I'll
be
honored
to
thank
you,
Mr,
chairman,
Almighty,
father,
look
kindly
upon
your
servants
this
afternoon.
Lead
us
and
guide
us
help
us
to
do
the
Good
Will
of
the
work
of
the
City
of
Charleston.
In
your
name.
We
pray.
B
Amen
amen.
Thank
you.
Instead
of
chain
of
motion
to
approve
the
minister
November
21
meeting,
we'll.
D
E
B
Probably
moved
in
a
second
any
question
on
those
minutes
hearing
that
all
this
paper
please
say:
aye
aye
any
approvals
as
Heaven
Mr,
Brian
acceptance
and
dedication
of
rights
away,
good.
F
Afternoon,
Mr
chairman
items,
one
and
two
are
acceptance
to
two
permanent
drain
engagements
or
some
drainage
improvements
that
stormwater
Department's
doing
Matt.
Do
you
have
anything
you
need
to
add
about
those
or
they're
pretty
much?
Basically,
just
easement
spread.
G
B
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
approval
councilman,
ISO.
C
Move
that
we
accept
these
vital
ways
for
all
three
of
these,
particularly
for
the
doubting
Court
Mr
chairman
and
thank
you
Mr
fountain,
for
your
persistence
on
getting
this
done.
B
F
Mr,
chairman
I,
think
we
need
to
go
back
to
number
three.
That's
a
that's
a
different
item
and
magalies
gonna
from
legal
is
going
to
just
do
a
brief
explanation
of
that
one
for
us.
Oh.
A
Good
afternoon,
this
item
is
the
request
of
an
easement
by
the
College
of
Charleston
to
tap
into
a
city
sewer
line
at
the
99
West
Edge
building,
currently
they're,
storing
their
waste
above
ground,
because
the
the
line
that
they
were
using
has
failed.
Cws,
Mr,
O'brien
and
Mr
kromsburg
have
all
reviews
the
proposed
easement
and
signed
off
on
it
and
I
believe
that
we've
got
Jeff
Webb
with
ABC
here
who's
available
to
go
over
the
the
proposed
plan.
If
we
need
to
do
a
screen
share,
we
can
do
that
as
well.
H
No,
that
that
summarizes
it
pretty
well
I
could
I
could
share
just
a
Google
Earth
image
to
show
where
it
is.
If
that
would
be
helpful,
just
give
me
one
minute.
D
E
B
H
Okay,
real
quick,
likewise
described
the
the
current
sewer
service
or
the
the
previously
working
Sewer
Service,
ran
through
this
parcel
to
cws's
system
on
Horizon
back
here,
there's
been
issues
with
the
service
line
and
I
think
also
CWS
has
an
issue
with
this
portion
of
their
line.
H
So
this
really
solves
kind
of
two
two
problems
there,
the
the
sewer
that
we
want
to
tie
into
runs
outside
of
99,
West
Edge
and
then
goes
through
this
garage
portion
and
ties
to
a
CWS
manhole
here
on
Horizon,
which
is
Downstream
of
the
problem
area.
So
what
we're
proposing
to
do
is
is
put
in
a
small
grinder
lift
station
to
pump
and
then
come
across
diagonally
about
40
50
feet
of
this
parcel
to
tie
in
with
a
new
manhole
on
that
on
that
gravity
line.
E
So
so
Mr
chairman
could
I
ask
you:
do
we
have
a
plat
handy
he
could
share
with
with
exactly
where
his
easement
is
going
I
mean
I
saw
the
little
cursor
thing,
yeah.
A
If
you,
if
you'd,
like
Jeff,
I'm,
happy
to
share
my
screen,
I've
got
it
pulled
up.
Yes,.
D
D
H
Is
a
there
is
a
I
think:
there's
a
20-foot
drainage,
easement
running
on
on
the
city,
Side
of
of
that
property
line
that
this
kind
of
overlaps
there
you
see.
H
Yeah
and
you
can
also
see
the
the
existing
SS
line,
that
is,
the
existing
sewer
service
that
we
could
not
locate
an
easement
for
it.
It
ran
runs
across
that
the
Horizon
house
property,
it's
also
City
owned,
and
so
our
original
proposal
was
to
replace
that
in
the
same
general
vicinity
and
and
get
it
cleaned
up
with
an
easement
across
that
the
Horizon
property,
but
I
think
the
concern
was
that
would
encumber
that
property
in
in
what
plans
were
for
the
future
development
of
that
parcel.
E
Right
so
yeah
that
quote:
Horizon
house,
site
property,
I'm,
pretty
sure
West's
Edge
plans
to
put
that
out
for
for
some
kind
of
development
bid,
and
then
I
wanted
to
share
for
for
the
public
record.
For
what
it's
worth.
That
we've
been
having
some
discussions
about,
increasing
connectivity
between
citizens
that
live
in
gads
and
green
and
the
west
side
and
getting
over
to
brittlebank
park,
and
they
can
come
alongside.
E
That
parking
garage
further
to
the
north
of
here
and
out
by
the
Publix,
but
beyond
that
there's
no
public,
sidewalk
or
right
away
until
you
get
all
the
way
up
to
Fishburn,
Street
and-
and
we
were
hopeful
to
have
some
Direct
pedestrian
easement
access
through
through
the
middle
of
the
Block
in
another
location.
E
And
since
you
have
this
existing
I
guess
on
the
city
property,
we
got
the
existing
drainage
easement,
as
you
say,
and
then,
where
your
sewer
line
goes
since
you
couldn't
build
on
all
of
that
I
presume
long
term
or
wouldn't
want
to
that.
Perhaps
this
could
be
a
good.
E
Is
there
any
anything
that
you
won't
know
of?
That
would
disallow
that.
H
At
least,
what's
not
showing
up
real
well
on
the
on
this
plaid
is
the
the
way
that
the
parking
is
currently
configured.
If,
if
you
recall,
there's
kind
of
like
a
a
one-way
circulation
through
this,
that
goes
behind
the
you
know
behind
the
the
lower
part
of
this
building
then
wraps
out,
and
it's
got
angled
parking
spaces
off
of
those
that
the
curb
is
very
close
to
that
property
line.
H
So
at
least
on
the
college's
parcel
that
might
be
a
challenge
with
its
current
configuration.
But
but
if
you
were
saying
that
you
that
running
through
either
the
Horizon
house
or
the
99
West
Edge
parcel
and
then
if
it
were
to
stay
on
that
20-fit
easement
I'd
have
to
look
look
again
at
the
aerial
to
see
how
close
the
the
surface
parking
on
this
on
the
city
side
is.
E
So
let
me
ask
one
more
question:
this
new
easement
and
and
that's
right,
where
there's
an
exit
from
the
parking
garage,
correct
people.
People
currently
drive
right
over
that.
E
Creating
this
easement
does
that
any
way
restrict
that
driveway
movement
long
term
or
legally,
and
would
it
restrict
from
building
above
the
easement
area
if,
for
whatever
reason,
that
building
or
Portico
got
extended.
H
So
the
the
easement
I
I
believe
wouldn't
would
give
the
college
rights
to
make
repairs
within
the
easement
I'm,
not
exactly
sure,
on
the
on
how
all
that
is
codified
so
and
as
far
as
building
over
I
I
think
you
there
there
would
be
the
ability
to
build
over,
but
with
those
same
Provisions
that
you'd
have
be
able
to
get
have
access
to
to
repair
this
line.
The
the
good
news
is
this
is
a.
This
is
a
two
inch
very
shallow
Force
main.
H
So
it's
it's
only
going
to
be
two
to
three
feet.
I
mean
probably
three
to
four
feet
in
depth,
so
you
don't
need
you
know
very
much
clearance
to
access
it
and
and
width
to
access
it.
E
E
H
E
As
you
can
see,
that's
a
paved
area
right
there
right
now,
so
you're
telling
me
where
this
new
easement
would
give
them
the
right
to
do
maintenance
on
within
that
area.
They'd
have
to
tear
up
the
the
asphalt
and
repair
it.
E
Yes,
sir,
if
if
we
ever
built
anything
to
extend
back
there,
we
we'd
have
to
honor
the
right
for
maintenance,
and
there
was
no
other
place.
Y'all
could
could
do
this
because
it
just
seemed
like
for
future
building
and
for
the
for
the
parking
and
driveway
that
there.
That
seems
to
be
a
long-term
inconvenience
to
me.
H
Yes,
sir,
like
I
was
saying
the
the
original
thought
was
to
to
find
a
place
and
and
come
kind
of
through
this,
the
the
open
area.
But
you
know
in
talking
with
with
with
Miss
Copeland
and
with
the
with
Michael
Mayer,
with
99
West
Edge.
They
thought
that
yeah
I
think
their
General
consistent
was
that
I
would
encumber
it
that
parcel
to
to
him
and
the
worst
extent
I
guess
than
than
this
would.
D
B
Yeah,
but
we
have
I
kind
of
see
what
the
Miz
talk
about.
Hypothetically,
let's
say
the
garage
where
it
was
extended
over
this
surface
parking
lot
one
day,
if
you
ever
had
to
repair
that
line
anyways
well,.
E
And
if,
if
I
I
may
be
so
bold
to
say
it
without
having
to
spoken
to
Chief
Reynolds
about
this,
you
know
at
some
point.
We
gotta
replace
our
police
station
there
at
Lockwood
and
honestly
other
than
going
to
another
site.
There's
there's
one
logical
place
would
be
to
build
over
this
parking
lot
and
then
you
know
do
something
with
the
old
building.
Once
we
build
something
new
I
I
haven't
talked
to
anybody,
capital
projects
or
even
the
chief
about
it,
but
I
I,
just
don't
want
to
do
a
little
small
easement.
E
That
would
somehow
get
in
the
way
of
that
of
that
thought.
E
B
E
B
E
May
be
fine
I
apologize
for
not
being
aware
of
exactly
where
the
easement
was
until
now,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
shoot
ourselves
in
the
foot
here.
B
H
H
And-
and
one
thing
we
can
also
maybe
there's
a
there's,
a
compromise
or
a
kind
of
hybrid,
where
we
we
could
maybe
alter
the
alignment
so
that
that
easement
set
of
running
like
that
45
degree
angle
across
there
that
it
that
it
maybe
could
hug
the
the
face
of
the
building
you
you
still
would
have
to
you
know
you
might
still
have
to
separate
any
future
construction
far
enough.
That
would
work,
but
that
might
might
be
an
option
too
yeah.
E
B
E
H
F
B
Okay,
all
right
Mr,
Brown,
you're,
gonna,
you're
gonna
do
G1
environmental
services
update
I'm.
I
Good
afternoon
so
got
some
good
news.
Trash
is
running
on
time.
We
are
picking
everything
up
with
City
Cruise.
I
We
were
gonna
Flex
with
Trident,
but
they've
had
some
staffing
issues
themselves
here
lately,
so
they
haven't
been
able
to
staff
up
their
trash
truck,
but
we
have
been
taking
care
of
everything
ourselves
on
the
day.
It's
supposed
to
be
taken
care
of
last
Friday.
We
even
had
people
come
in
and
haul
out
of
our
debris
site
to
try
to
get
that
wrapped
up.
I
B
G
Yeah,
thank
you
Mr
chairman,
so
this
is
a
it's
one
of
the
small
project
allegations
for
improving
the
drainage
along
the
Savannah
highway
sidewalk.
This
is
on
the
south
side
of
Savannah
highway
between
Campbell
and
Nicholson,
where,
if
you're
used
to
driving
through
that
area,
it's
where
the
the
sidewalk
in
the
property
is
sitting
much
lower
than
the
road,
basically
the
water
from
the
road
drains
down
into
that
area
and
gets
trapped.
G
Looking
to
add
in
some
under
drains
kind
of
reworking
the
stabilization,
but
this
is
to
recommend
approval
of
a
Construction
contract
with
first
construction
management,
who
is
the
low
bidder
on
this
project
for
86
600
to
construct
those
improvements?
We
also
are
just
establishing
a
100
000
project
budget
authorizing
staff
to
make
amendments
less
than
forty
thousand
dollars
to
the
extent
we
have
funds
within
that
hundred
thousand
dollar.
I
G
B
G
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
so
this
one
is
basically
approving
a
memorandum
of
understanding
with
the
Charleston
museum,
so
the
Charleston
museum
owns
a
piece
of
property
in
James
Island
right
next
to
Ferguson
Village,
where
basically,
the
drainage
from
Riverland
Drive
and
from
Ferguson
Village
kind
of
drains
down
through
that
privately
owned
property.
We've
been
talking
with
the
museum
about
maintenance
of
those
Drainage
Systems,
because
it
you
know,
as
you
would
see,
with
any
kind
of
old,
mostly
agricultural
style,
drainage
system,
they
become
clogged
over
time.
G
You
have
trees
that
fall
down
in
the
ditches.
The
museum
is
offered
to
basically
at
their
own
expense,
maintain
that
ditch
system
in
perpetuity,
basically,
so
that
the
city
doesn't
need
to
come
into
the
property
and
do
work
on
that
property
which
they
use
as
like
a
wildlife
sanctuary,
and
they
do
some
events
on
that
property.
So
this
is
asking
if
Council
would
support
that
and
we'll
have
then
we'll
have
the
museum
board
supported
as
well
presuming
we
have
Council
approval
on
this
concept.
B
G
G
So
this
this
document
shows
Riverland
Drive
running
north
south.
If
you're
familiar
with
the
area
kind
of
the
bishop,
Gadsden
complex
would
be
just
to
the
right
off
the
screen.
Ferguson
Village
sort
of
sits
down
kind
of
behind
Stone,
River
and
Henderson
Road
here
right
but
see
what
happens.
Is
the
water
comes
out
of
these
ditches
that
are
shown
in
red
drains
across
this
24
inch
pipe
under
Riverland
Drive
and
into
which
you
can
kind
of
see?
Is
this
old
agricultural
ditch
system
on
the
property?
G
There
is
an
existing
power
line
right-of-way
through
the
property
as
well,
but
basically
the
museum
is
agreeing
to
clean
this
red.
It's
like
a
red
ditch,
which
is
the
you're
seeing
the
Topo
is
what's
being
shown
there.
The
elevation
so
that
that
red
highlight
is
the
low
area
where
the
ditches
that
show
with
these
black
hatched.
So
it's
just
kind
of
a
current
forested
Wildlife
Sanctuary
site
that
they
they've
agreed
to
basically
come
in
and
they've
already
done,
one
round
of
cleaning
for
us.
G
While
we
contemplate
this
but
Ferguson
Village
experiences,
some
pretty
significant
flooding
during
Heavy
Rain
events,
we've
been
looking
for
ways
to
help.
We've
worked
with
DOT
to
clean
this
24
inch
pipe
I'm
working
with
the
museum
to
keep
this
this
drainage
clean
and
then
we're
now.
The
next
step
is
going
through
and
surveying
the
ditches
within
Ferguson
Village
to
try
to
help
obtain
easement
and
take
those
into
our
maintenance
system,
which
we've
been
working
with
the
neighborhood
association
out
there
about
that.
B
E
Would
just
like
to
publicly
thank
Carl,
borick
and
the
Charleston
museum
for
taking
this
on
they
you
know.
Normally,
we
we
get
an
easement
and
then
we're
responsible
for
the
maintenance,
but
due
to
the
nature
of
The
Preserve,
they
wanted
to
be
responsible
and
so
they're,
assuming
some
responsibility
that
that
most
citizens
or
Property
Owners
would
not,
and
so
anyway,
we're
thankful
to
them
for
for
being
part
of
the
solution.
I.
G
G
Of
properties
that
the
dill
property
I
think
is
what.
B
They
were
first,
okay,
okay,
listen
all
right!
Call
the
question
all
in
favor,
please
say
hi
hi
any
opposed!
Thank
you.
That's
the
moment.
We've
been
waiting
on
item
three
Mr
rock
you
and
your
team.
Take
it
from
here
update
on
CWS
utility
fee
collections,
okay,.
B
B
J
All
right
well,
thank
you
guys
very
much
for
having
me
what
we
want
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
is
our
storm
drain
billing.
B
Process,
Mr
Rob,
the
members
of
the
council
and
we're
feeling
new.
Can
you
explain
your
role,
certainly.
J
My
name
is
Wesley
ropp
I'm,
with
Charleston
Water
System
I'm,
the
Chief
Financial
Officer,
and
we've
been
working
with
the
City
of
Charleston,
we're
working
on
a
lot
of
things,
but
on
this
particular
issue
since
the
mid
1990s,
and
we
do
all
the
the
residential
and
Commercial
and
Industrial
billing
for
the
City
of
Charleston
for
their
storm
water
program
and
as
a
as
a
routine.
J
You.
Probably
don't
know
much
about
this,
because
it's
worked
pretty
seamlessly
I
think
we
work
well
with
your
accounting
department
and
over
you
know,
over
25
years
now,
I
I
think
it's
been
pretty
smooth
but
as
we
start
digging
into
it
and
looking
at
some
of
the
things
going
on,
there
are
some
things
that
we
saw.
That
would
be
helpful
for
the
city
to
to
look
at
and
it
would
be
some
really
good
process
improvements
and
some
ways
to
improve
your
collection
of
delinquent
accounts.
J
So
it
could
increase
the
revenues
to
the
City
by
really
just
changing
how
you
go
about
doing
the
billing
and
some
of
the
other
municipalities
in
the
area
like
the
city
of
North
Charleston
uses
the
Charleston
County's
tax
bill
as
to
how
to
collect
that.
So
anyway,
I
had
just
a
few
slides
I
was
going
to
walk
you
through
on
this
and.
I
J
Okay,
so
first,
how
does
the
current
stormwater
Billing
System
work?
The
Charleston
Water
System
as
a
partner
and
I
just
got
a
few
bullet
items
on
here
to
kind
of
describe
it.
So
we
add
our
stormwater
charges
to
the
Charleston
Water
System
bills
and
those
go
to
all
the
residents
in
the
City
of
Charleston
and
the
city
is
responsible,
periodically
updating
the
stormwater
erus.
These
are
on
the
customer
accounts,
so
your
staff
works
with
our
staff
on
that,
and
then
we
bill
monthly.
J
So
we
build
these
and
and
then
we
collect
the
payments
and
we
remit
to
the
City
of
Charleston
on
a
monthly
basis
and
approximately
12
million
dollars
a
year
is
what
we
get
for
the
city
via
our
Billing
System,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
do
do
that
we
added
since
we
started
is
unpaid.
Delinquent
stormwater
charges
are
forwarded
to
the
municipal
Association
of
South
Carolina.
J
They
have
a
debt
set-off
program
and
they
match
up
accounts
with
with
the
social
security
numbers
we
have
on
our
account
and
that
they're
getting
a
refund,
then
they
deduct
that
from
the
our
customers
refund
and
we've
met
those
payments
to
the
city.
J
It
looks
like
in
looking
at
the
past
few
years
we're
getting
anywhere
between
100
to
170
000
dollars,
forwarded
from
us
to
the
this
Association
and
on
the
average
they're
collecting
about
20
000
years.
So
it
has
to
be
a
perfect
match
on
the
Social
Security
numbers
and
it
really
only
works
for
individuals
for
what
we
call
Residential
accounts,
but
other
than
that
all
other
delinquent,
unpaid
stormwater
charges
remaining
uncollected.
J
We
don't
turn
off
water
bill
for
non-payment
of
storm
water
charges
and
as
of
October
22nd,
we
had
just
a
little
over
1.2
million
dollars
that
were
outstanding.
J
So
that's
how
it's
working
right
now
and
so
now
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
limitations
with
the
Billing
System
process,
and
so
I
just
mentioned
that
we
do
not
turn
off
uncollected
stormwater
accounts.
We
only
do
things
that
related
to
our
water
account
to
turn
off,
and
this
is
kind
of
a
big
one
on
the
second
one,
so
the
the
Billings
that
we
we
do
are
built
to
very
often
the
tenant
for
rental
properties
and
not
always
the
property
owners.
J
There
are
a
few
property
owners
that
even
don't
have
rental
they
like
it
in
their
name,
but
most
of
them
have
it
in
the
tenant's
name,
and
so,
if
you
think
about
like
the
cause
of
Charleston
students
in
Medical
University
that
they
on
rental
accounts,
so
you're
gonna,
probably
say
about
10
percent
lower,
with
a
turnover
than
if
the
buildings
were
going
out
every
month
to
the
homeowners
and
then
the
fourth
item
we
have
here
is
inactive
water
accounts
are
not
bills,
stormwater
charges,
so
we
don't.
J
If
we
don't
have
a
water
bill
going
out,
it's
not
added
and
then
most
properties
in
the
City
of
Charleston
without
a
Charleston
Water
System
account
are
not
billed
for
stormwater
charges.
So
there's
some
things
that
are
getting
missing
when
it's
just
a
vacant
parcel
without
a
water
account.
J
It
can
be,
if
you
have
a
rental
and
that
doesn't
rent
for
three
months,
then
you
wouldn't
you
know
it
would
be
turned
off,
so
the
the
tenant
would
do
what
we
call
a
final
account
so
that
the
building
will
stop
then,
and
so
it
will
start
back
again
when
the
new
tenant
moves
into
the
property.
Okay,
there
are
some
properties
like
Castlewood,
where
they
decided
to
keep
them
themselves.
J
J
Okay,
and
so
we
were
we're
just
kind
of
tossing
around
some
ideas
about
how
we
can
move
forward
with
things
that
would
be
beneficial
to
the
City
of
Charleston
to
help
improve
your
Revenue
stream.
J
So
one
of
the
things
that
that
we
see-
and
this
has
been
done
by
other
municipalities
in
our
area-
North
Charleston,
Mount
Pleasant-
and
they
add
it
to
Charleston
County's
tax
bill
and
one
of
the
big
reasons
they
do.
That
is,
it
allows
for
use
of
liens
for
a
collection
of
past
two
balances.
So
right
now,
as
somebody
doesn't
pay
it,
it
just
accumulates
and
that's
why
you
see
that
large
number
we
saw
earlier
on
the
outstanding
accounts.
Receivable
and
the
other
thing.
Is
it
minimizes
past
tube
balances?
J
J
So
that's
going
to
expand
your
your
Revenue
base
and
we
went
through
and
we
matched
with
our
records
against
the
County's
property
records
and
we
identified
approximately
1300
properties
within
the
City
of
Charleston,
which
have
no
Active
water
account,
and
we
just
used
your
current
eru
charges
and
we
estimated
about
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
or
more
a
year
in
additional
Revenue.
J
Now,
mayor
tecklenburg
has
sent
me
a
report
from
a
group
Yeller
using
called
woolport,
and
they
had
done
the
same
analysis,
but
they
also
are
looking
at
maybe
adding
something
like
a
water
quality
multiplier.
So
they're
they're
doing
more
than
just
this
and
they're
getting
an
estimated
increase
of
five
to
six
million
dollars
a
year.
So
there's
a
lot
of
potential
increases
by
making
some
changes
in
that,
and
also
looking
at
your
right
as
they're
looking
at.
B
You
know
just
pause
right
there,
but
I'll
tell
you,
committee
members:
when
we
raised
Mr
fountainwind,
we
raised
the
storm
water
fee,
a
dollar.
B
What
does
that
bring
in
previous
something
like
additional
1.1
million?
That's
about
right,
Mr,
chairman
okay.
So
if
we
raise
the
fee
well,
everybody
1.1
I
mean
a
dollar
from
11
from
10
to
11,
up
from
11
to
12..
We
raise
about
another
1.1
million,
but
if
we
increase
now
I'm
back
to
you,
Mr
Rob
I
know
these
are
estimates,
but
if
we
increase
efficiencies
and
just
collect
from
the
people
who
supposed
to
be
paying
and
from
some
of
the
beacon
properties
that
aren't
being
built,
what
was
the
number
you
quoted.
J
We
estimated
about
600
000
or
more
per
year
in
additional
Revenue
by
switching
over
to
Charleston
County's
tax
bill,
really
I
think
it
wouldn't
be
a
hard
change
that
I
know
that
North
Charleston,
the
city
of
North
Charleston
many
years
ago,
had
come
to
us
about
doing
it
and
they
decided
to
go
with
the
Charleston
County
tax
bill
and
I
think
that's
worked
out
well
for
them
and
that
it
seemed
to
be
pretty
seamless.
So
it's
just
adding
a
charge
to
something
they're
already
doing
so.
B
I,
don't
know
I'll
follow
you
completely
any.
Let
me
not
interrupt
any
further
anybody.
C
C
Far
yeah
I
think
damir
and
I
had
our
hands
up
well.
D
E
Even
if
we
make
the
switch
over
to
the
county
tax
bill,
could
we
not
go
ahead
and
Bill
the
1300
properties
for
the
storm
water
fee?
I
guess
we'd
have
to
generate
an
invoice
ourselves
directly
from
the
city
to
those
Property
Owners,
but
would
that
be
possible.
G
So
very
that
is,
that
is
something
we
can
certainly
consider.
We'd
have
to
evaluate
how
we
charge
and
then,
as
Mr
Rob
kind
of
got
into
what
what
our
mechanisms
would
be
for
non-payment,
but
we
certainly
could
that's
part
of
what
we've
I
think
recommended
at
the
budget.
Ad
hoc
process
is
kind
of
reworking
Our
Own
stormwater
Billing
System,
which
would
give
us
some
flexibility
either
to
expand
how
we
bill
or
to
shift
to
a
tax
bill
or
to
take
different
approaches.
All.
E
Right,
so,
even
if
it
you
know,
if,
if
we
make
the
switch
and
it's
a
year
and
arrears,
you
got
these
1300
properties,
it
seems
to
me
we
could,
if
we
could
figure
out
a
way
to
do
it,
go
ahead
and
Bill
them
for
for
22
and
for
23
prior
to
the
switch
over
occurring.
That
might
be
a
million
two
right
there.
E
B
Let
me
see,
let
me
see
if
I
get
this
right,
the
1300
properties
is
I'm
thinking.
That's
in
addition
to
the
six
hundred
thousand
am
I
no.
E
J
The
the
600
000
was
what
we
were
estimating
with
the
1300
now
I'd
mentioned
earlier
to
the
1.2.
That's
separate,
but
that'd
be
a
one-time
shot
in
arm
right,
and
that
was
the
past
due,
but
these
are
just
going
to
be.
It's
kind
of
the
the
hole
in
the
Swiss
cheese
is
a
the
properties
that
do
not
have
a
water
account
right.
That
would
pick.
E
C
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I,
think
we're
all
zooming
in
on
the
1300
1300
properties
and
the
imperious
properties
that
don't
have
a
water
account.
How
did
that
happen?
What
was
the
mechanism
in
which
neither
neither
one
of
these
categories
have
accounts.
B
I
complete
guilty
to
some
I
own,
some
undeveloped,
Lots
that
were
never
built
upon,
and
so
they
don't
have
a
lot
of
meat
on
it.
I
pay
property
taxes,
but
I
don't
pay
a
storm
water
fee.
So.
C
If
there's
not
a,
if
there's
not
a
water
meter
associated
with
undeveloped
property,
then
they
don't
get
a
bill
right
and
so
that's,
what's
kind
of
I.
Don't
need
to
use
the
word
misleading,
but
you
know
when
you
think
of
these
1400
Parcels
he's
not
giving
us
the
size
of
these
Parcels.
If
these
are
half
an
acre,
10
acre
lots
and
the
the
charge
on
the
invoice
for
that
property
may
vary
in
in
different
amounts.
C
I
would
presume
so
the
the
amount
of
money
up
to
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
may
be.
Someone
is
skewed.
It
could
be
a
lot
higher
than
600
000..
That's
what
I
think
I'm
understanding
that
correctly
yeah.
C
B
But
I
bet
we
probably
have
somewhere
around-
oh,
maybe
15
or
more
vacant
properties
that
I
get
stoned.
I
get
a
landfills
on
you
know
and
property
tax
bills,
but
I
don't
get
any
storm
water
because
I
never
had
a
water
and.
C
Alone
enough,
so
I
like
I,
like
Wesley's
definition
of
Swiss
cheese,
she
gives
us
a
good,
a
good
analogy
of
that.
So
yeah
we've
got
a
pretty
good
system
for
collecting
fees
just
on
a
perfect
system.
It's
like
the
fees
because
you've
got
holes
in
the
cheese
out
there.
C
B
B
Well,
there's
a
problem
in
that
we
get
our
monies
monthly,
so
we
we're
used
to
being
fed
monthly
and
you're
going
to
go
from
there
to
being
once
a
year.
Obviously,
so
you've
got
the
bridge
not
Bridge
financially,
and
that's
how
I
mean
the
city
has
to
figure
that
out.
But
how
do
we
stop
collecting?
We
stopped
collecting
monthly,
there's
going
to
be
a
time
lag
between
the
last
monthly
check
in
December,
for
example,
and
then
getting
the
monies
you
know
on
the
property
tax
bill.
B
G
A
very
good
point:
Mr
chairman
I,
think
you
did
a
good
job
explaining
it
that
basically
no
matter
when
we
stop
collecting
whenever
we
hit
the
first
year
that
we
will,
if
we
did
shift
over
to
a
tax
bill.
Since
the
tax
bill
is
collected
at
the
end
of
the
year
in
arrears,
you
would
have
basically
that
entire
calendar
cycle
12
months
with
no
revenue,
and
then
you
would
receive
all
of
your
Revenue
at
the
end
of
that.
G
Until
February
or
March
right,
but
it
is
about
a
12-month
period
where
you
wouldn't
have
that
Revenue.
Well,
you
wait
to
shift
over
it's
basically
to
collection
in
arrears.
It's
like
when
you
start
your
first
job
and
you
don't
get
paid
for
three
weeks.
You
got
to
find
your
your
way
to
make
it
through
those
first
three
weeks,
yeah.
B
C
Lifetime
council
member
wearing
is
just
we
got
to
get
them
into
the
into
the
system.
All
right,
thank
you.
Bill
I
mean
we
can
catch
up
later,
but
we
can't
start
to
catch
it
up
until
we
get
them
into
the
system.
B
Right
I
agree:
Mr,
Rob,
I
kept
cut
cutting
across
you.
Do
you
have
any
input
or
additional.
J
I
think
that
our
600
000
numbers
probably
low.
We
didn't
want
to
over
estimate
on
this,
so
we
probably
went
on
the
low
end
of
that.
So
there's
probably
a
lot
more
money
there
when
you
start
really
analyzing
it
and
we
we
don't
have
the
expertise
on
determining
how
much
to
do
your
ER
use,
so
yeah
I
think
you'll
find
it
actually
higher
than
what
we
got
in.
B
Here
all
right,
let
me
let
me
ask
you
this
I
know
you
got
a
good
calculating
guy.
If
you
had
and
I
I
know,
interest
rates
have
bumped
up,
but
but
every
hundred
thousand
of
renewable
Revenue.
B
J
Oh
yeah:
well
we
just
ourselves
right
now
we're
about
about
seven
dollars
for
every
dollar
Revenue.
We
have
in
debt,
so
yeah
we're
we're
an
Enterprise
fund.
It
might
be
calculated
a
little
differently
for
a
municipality,
but
about
one
to
six
to
seven
dollars
in
terms
of
what
we
have
debt
versus
annual
revenue.
B
I
J
Right
now,
I
will
say
the
the
Wolpert
study
you
had
they
estimated
five
to
six
million
a
year
and
if
you're
getting
12
million
a
year
currently
in
Revenue
and
they
looked
at
these
properties.
So
they
have
a
lot
and
they've
looked
at
for
about
six
months,
so
they
have
a
lot
more.
B
J
So
that
would
be
about
a
50
increase
in
your
Revenue
if
they're
out,
right,
which
I
think
they
are.
That's
that's
a
lot
of
money
and
you
could
actually
for
your
one
year
short,
so
you
could
make
it
up
and
two
years
that's.
B
In
pay
the
note
back.
E
Yeah
right
well,
some
of
it
could
be
covered
with
just
cash
flow
because
we
don't
agree
and
all
the
money
all
at
once
anyway,
as
we
receive
it.
So
we
need
some
some
thoughtful
analysis
to
go
into
that.
That's.
B
Number
one
I
wanted
to
thank
well
go
ahead.
Okay,.
J
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
really
mention.
It's
really.
The
second
bullet
I
know
everybody's
a
hurry,
but
we've
got
to
change
out
our
customer
service
system
and
that's
coming
sooner
than
later,
and
so
the
cost
is
very
expensive,
and
so
it
would
require
a
lot
of
the
city
staff
time
to
help
Define
the
software
and
review
proposals
and
do
testing
and
implement
it.
J
So
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
different
than
adding
a
charge
to
Bill,
and
so
they'd
have
to
have
City
staffers
available
to
help
set
Define
it
and
implement
it,
and
we
just
did
our
Erp
system
and
they're,
not
it's
pretty
hard.
So
there's
something
to
think
about
as
well
so
that'll
be
here
in
the
next
couple
years,
and
something
I
mentioned
on
the
third
bill
of
item
is
just
benchmarking
in
local
areas.
J
A
lot
of
local
governments
around
this
Tri-County
area
has
gone
with
their
tax
bill
as
well,
and
then
it
would
increase
the
city's
stormwater
Revenue
per
acre
and
per
capita,
and
then
the
top
of
the
line
that
gives
the
city
control
over
the
entire
billion
payment
collection,
so
well,
I
think
that's
important.
They
kind
of
close
the
gap
on
those
passage
balances
so
anyway,
I'll
just
kind
of
close
it
so
that
I
think
the
change
of
billing
will
increase
the
city's
revenues,
along
with
will
purchase.
J
Changes
on
they've
got
like
a
water
quality
multiplier.
So
they're
done
more
than
just
look
at
past
few
balances
and
then
the
Charleston
County
tax
bill.
Maybe
a
a
nice
way
to
make
that
transition.
That's
already
out
there
and
it'll
just
be
the
matter
of
them,
adding
a
charges
versus
what
we're
looking
ahead
about
having
to
Implement
a
brand
new
customer
service
information
system,
and
then
the
city
will
be
a
leader,
then
in
best
stormwater
billing
and
collection
practices,
particularly
the
the
ones
the
Swiss
cheese
are
kind
of
slipping
through
the
crack.
B
Any
questions
from
committee
members
I
saw
the
man's
hand
and
then
councilman
shade
in
that
order.
E
Wesley
or
Matt
could
could
y'all
give
me
a
us
a
little
description
of
what
you
described
there
Wesley
the
water
quality
multiplier.
G
Came
here
so
when
Wilbert
did
their
initial
look
at
kind
of
our
Utility
Billing,
with
some
other
options
and
some
comparison
cities,
you
know
one
of
the
options
out
there
when
you're
doing
billing,
when
you're
establishing
a
fee
is
to
choose
a
rate
or
a
fee
based
on
impervious
area,
which
alone,
which
is
what
we
do
now
right,
where
basically,
how
much
storm
water
are
you
contributing
into
the
system?
G
But
some
entities
will
do
water
quality
multiplier,
where
they
will
change
that
fee
based
on
the
basically
how
clean
the
water
that
they're
discharging
is
so
that
some,
you
know
their
the
origins
of
a
lot
of
stormwater
controls
are
from
water
quality
through
the
federal
level.
So,
if
you're
on
a
site
that
has
like
a
higher
level
of
contamination
based
on
like
a
typical
site
usage,
you'd
pay
a
different
fee
than
someone
in
a
typical.
You
know
less
polluted
site.
D
E
So
that
could
be
dependent
on
say
the
use
of
the
property
like
if
they
were
an
industrial
property
or
had
some
kind
of
environmental
thing
happening
there
versus
a
garden
yeah,
that's
exactly
right,
yeah!
Okay!
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
I
just
want
to
thank
Wesley
and
I
appreciate
the
collaboration
that
we've
had
councilmember,
where
you
were
with
me,
Thursday
at
my
constituent
meeting,
and
we
had
some
wonderful
representatives
from
Charleston
water
systems
are
up
here
and
just
the
level
of
collaboration
with
that
agency
is
wonderful.
We
worked
hand
in
hand
together,
I
just
wanted
to
give
them
a
big
shout
out
and
say
thank
you
Wesley
for
reporting
to
us
and
giving
us
these
ideas
and
suggestions
and.
C
To
keep
thinking
perspective
councilman
wearing
that
you
know
the
amount
of
money
that
we're
talking
about
here
on
uncollected
debt
doesn't
equal
to,
but
it's
pretty
close
to
a
one
mil
increase
to
our
our
overall
budget.
That's
just
sort
of
a
I'm
using
that
as
a
a
misery
more
so
than
anything
else,
so
that
just
sort
of
gives
you
an
idea
of
a
level
of
how
uncollected
Revenue
that
we're
missing
out
on
with
these
these
properties
and
uncollected
fees.
C
So
it's
something
certainly
worth
pursuing
and
it's
something
certainly
what
we
need
to
be:
closing
and
I'm
getting
rid
of
the
Swiss
cheese
and
getting
the
Tomato,
maybe
just
a
good
old
approval
on
or
American
cheese
format,
but
I
I
think
we've
got
something
to
work
with
as
a
springboard
to
close.
This
Gap
and
I
appreciate
y'all's
work
on
this.
Thank
you.
B
I
couldn't
agree
more
councilman
that
these
additional
revenues
we're
not
talking
about
a
tax
increase.
Our
fee
increase
every
time,
I
just
collect
being
more
efficient
in
our
collection,
so
prayerfully
by
the
way
Mr
Fountain
the
rule
book
reports.
B
G
No
I
can
certainly
provide
copies
out
to
the
committee
with
Sherman,
and
just
one
very
quick
note,
I
mean
I
think
concentrate
is
correct,
that
the
uncollected
revenue
is
substantial.
However,
that
is
the
cumulative
uncollected
Revenue,
not
an
annual
expectation
of
uncollected
Revenue
right.
B
Right
I
see
the
man's
hand
up
Mr,
Men,
yeah.
E
Two
questions
one
was
related.
Matt's
comment
do
do
we
know
how
much
the
annual
uncollected
fee
is
as
opposed
to
the
accumulated
I.
Don't
know
when
how
often
y'all
just
totally
write
it
off
or
we
do.
J
E
No,
no
for
the
uncollected
for
what's
actually
been
charged.
I
would
have.
J
Off
top
of
my
head,
okay,
so
I
think
it's
been
consistently
around
1.2
million.
You
know
most
people
pay
it
and
they're.
Probably
a
group,
that's
realized
that
there's
no
turn
off
for
not
paying
and
so
they're.
Probably
a
lot
of
the
same
people.
I
would
imagine
yeah.
E
J
Correct
because
we
don't
turn
off
for
non-payment
of
storm
water
gotcha,
so
some
if
people
have
a
way
of
figuring
it
out,
sometimes
that
that
kind
of
tests,
the
system.
E
So
this
is
more
observation
or
than
a
question,
but
it
it
occurs
to
me
with
this
discussion
that
there's
some
bureaucracy
to
to
many
maintaining
all
this
information,
the
erus
per
property,
the.
E
You
know
judgment
about
each
property
as
to
what
the
the
multiplier
would
be,
so
it
would
require
some
staff
I
I,
just
want
to
put
it
out
there
that
if
we
go
down
this
road,
we're
going,
we
see
some
potential
savings,
but
we'd
have
to
we'd
have
to
staff
up,
probably
a
little
bit
in
order
to
even
keep
our
information
current
and
accurate
to
to
do
the
billing
in
this
fashion.
Is
that
right
Matt?
Are
we.
G
That's
correct
mayor:
we
we
currently
do
pay
a
fee
to
CWS
for
the
billing
Collections
and
for
bad
debt
collection,
which
we
obviously
would
not
pay.
If
we
went
that
route,
but
we
would
need
to
have
that
both
you
know
the
tax
accounts
for
both
Charleston
County
and,
of
course,
Berkeley
County,
and
then
also
the
entities
that
don't
currently
receive
tax
bills
have
to
be
billed
directly
by
the
city.
I
believe
is
the
normal
procedure.
So
that's
that's
a
not
insignificant
number
of
tax
exempt
properties
as
well.
G
G
G
That's
correct
Mary,
so
it's
it's
figuring
out
the
details
as
well
as
seeing
what
in
more
detail
what
money
we
may
be,
leaving
on
the
table
from
a
variety
of
different
things,
whether
it's
the
the
sites
without
utility
accounts,
whether
it's
you
know
reassessing
and
re-auditing.
Our
existing
accounts.
G
B
B
Right,
you
know
actually
Mr
Mayor.
You
came
up
with
something
in
discussion.
You
know
I,
don't
know
20
minutes
back
15,
20
minutes
back
where
you
said
about
you,
know
setting
a
building
out
for
this
year
for
those
vacant
properties
and
filling
out
for
23.
B
yeah.
That's
a
pretty
good
move
which
could
help
offset
some
of
the
I
I
have
offset
Staffing
up
to.
B
Next
year,
which
will
be
a
huge
win
which
would
be
a
huge
win
well
Wes
I
got
to
tell
you,
I,
really
appreciate
you
and
your
team
putting
the
information
together.
D
B
D
B
J
Me
and
you
know
the
city's
a
partner
with
us
and
we
wouldn't
be
here
without
cities.
So
thank.
B
J
Happening
I'm
kind
of
scared
to
say
it,
but
best
numbers,
probably
a
low
of
four
and
the
highest
number
I'm
hearing
is
32
million.
J
So
it's
very
expensive
for,
in
a
mid
to
large
size,
Water
and
Electric
utilities
to
come
out
in
the
new
CIS
system
it
takes
several
years
to
implement
and
that
you
know
kind
of
what
Matt's
describing
about
looking
at
a
system,
but
that
it
would
require
a
lot
of
City
staff
time
on
that
as
well.
The
system
that
we're
coming
off
of
I
didn't
say
this,
but
we,
it
was
all
written
in-house,
and
so
nobody
really
does
that
anymore.
J
So
we're
having
to
go
out
and
buy
a
packet
system,
and
so
that's
where
I'm
saying
we
would
need
the
city's
help
to
if
they
didn't
change
it.
You
know
we'd
have
to
have
y'all's
involvement
on
that
as
well,
and
that
would
require
a
lot
of
Staff
time
to.
J
We'd
have
to
figure
out
what
that
cost.
I
don't
like
I
said
we
just
have
some
general
estimates.
I,
don't
know
what
part
of
that
would
be
storm
water,
but
it
would
be
a
separate,
a
separate
system
that
would
have
to
be
put
in
within
that.
J
J
E
B
B
Some
committee
members,
that's
another
agenda
by
the
way,
so
beyond
that
by
acclimation,
we
stay
in
the
journey.