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City of Charleston Committee on Public Works and Utilities 11/23/2020
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C
Well,
we
meeting
for
the
mail.
Let
me
ask
mr
felton
a
question
now
matt
you
can
you
unmute
yourself?
C
I
can
you
know
when
you
come
across
the
back
west
ashley
across
the
asheville
bridges
and
you're
very
right
to
go
to
san
andreas
boulevard.
Doing
the
flood
tide.
You
know
it
gets
a
pretty
good
low
coverage
there.
You
have
to
block
it
off.
Yes,
yep.
We
got
any
plans
for
that
here.
E
We
don't
that
one's
a
little
bit
trickier
because
that's
sort
of
like
right
in
a
core
d.o.t
highway
rather
than
a
city
road
mark
wilbert-
and
I
have
talked
about
that
one
a
little
bit
because
it
is
challenging
low,
wet
area.
But
it's
not
one.
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
looking
at
yet.
C
Okay,
okay,
all
right,
we
got
everybody
on
thanks.
Let's
call
the
meeting
the
order
and
I'm
gonna
ask
for
councilman
shead
to
bring
a
few
words.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
as
we
prepare
to
celebrate
this
annual
ritual,
we
call
thanksgiving
day
in
the
united
states.
We
call
on
the
mind
those
who
came
before
us.
We
are
a
country
of
immigrants
and
we
were
a
country
that
came
because
there
was
an
opportunity
for
us
to
grow,
to
free
ourselves
from
intolerance
to
free
ourselves
from
persecution.
B
Some
of
us
came
over
here
involuntarily.
We
have
our
brothers
and
sisters
who
to
thank
for
the
many
gifts
that
they
have
given
us
in
the
great
diversity
of
our
country.
You
know
our
community
and
on
this
thanksgiving
day,
it's
a
special
day
for
many
of
us
to
give
thanks
for
the
many
blessings
that
the
good
lord
has
given
us,
and
we
ask
god's
blessing
on
us
individually.
We
ask
blessings
on
our
city
and
our
state
and
our
country,
and
we
ask
for
a
peaceful,
peaceful
and
early
transition
of
power.
C
Thank
you
councilman.
We
all
the
minutes
being
deferred
without
the
temporary
encroachments.
Mr
o'brien,
anything
other
no
unusual
that
need
to
be
highlighted.
Mr.
D
Kim
we
have
either
me
we
have.
We
have
two
letters
for
d.o.t
notification.
D
They're
both
for
the
same
thing,
one
is
at
1063,
morrison
drive
and
the
other
at
735
king
street.
This
is
for
the
horse
track
pattern
which
goes
in
the
driveways,
which
is
the
belt
and
block
looking
stamp
that
they
put
in
there.
So
that's.
We
will
recommend
that
we
take
over
the
maintenance
of
those
driveways
and
that's
well.
We
have
on
those
too
okay.
C
The
emotion
for
acceptance,
the
move,
probably
moved
in
a
second
out
here,
anybody
gonna
say
in
the
movie:
okay.
Okay,
thank
you
probably
moved
in
second
any
discussion
hearing
that
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
any
of
any
of
those
and
that
that
motion
was
for
I
e
one
and
two:
wasn't
it
correct
all
right?
Good?
Thank
you!
Now
it's
not
a
temporary
encouragement!
Mr
o'brien.
D
No
service
chairman,
all
these
are
pretty
standard.
We've
got
some
fences,
a
right
angle,
sign
and
irrigation,
they've
all
been
inspected
and
approved
and
recommended,
and
we're
giving
this
as
information
to
the
committee.
Okay,.
C
Okay,
thank
you
item
h1,
mr
fountain
grant
for
king
and
hughes
street.
E
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
So
this
is
approval
to
apply
for
a
federal
emergency
management
agency.
That's
fema,
hmgp
grant
for
a
785-25
cost
match
on
the
king,
ug
drainage
improvement
project.
This
would
this
would
result
in
the
city
receiving
975
000
in
grant
funding
if
awarded
with
a
match
of
325
000
from
the
drainage
fund.
C
F
C
E
So
item
two
was
requested
by
accounts
member
shade.
This
is
a
request
for
ten
thousand
dollars
of
small
project
allocation
funding.
It's
for
a
project
that
we've
looked
at
over
the
last
year
that
we
kind
of
refer
to
as
the
the
culpeper
drainage
improvement
project.
It's
a
kind
of
an
existing
rear
yard,
swale
between
culpepper
circle
and
southgate
drive
that
has
a
very
sporadic
property
history.
E
Let's
say
it
has
a
sort
of
a
strip
of
commercial
property,
a
very
narrow,
very,
very
narrow
strip,
six
to
ten
foot
wide
strip
between
the
residential
properties
and
then
there's
obviously,
some
drainage
that
exists
on
the
residential
properties
as
well
in
the
area.
So
this
is
looking
at
survey
work
to
try
to
establish
where
those
property
boundaries
are-
and
I
think
constant
shades
had
some
discussions
with
the
commercial
property
owner
about
potentially
being
willing
to
dedicate
at
least
that
portion
of
it
gratis
to
the
city
to
improve
drainage
in
the
area.
C
Okay,
councilman,
yes,.
C
B
Matt,
do
you
have
a
a
copy
of
that
sketch
or
the
drainage
available
by
a
chance.
B
B
It
is
this
culpepper
drive
on
one
side
and
southgate
is
on
the
the
other
side
of
this
properties
for
the
cultural
property
owners
share
a
drain,
brilliance
on
south
gate
and
the
property
ditch
begins
right
at
that
shopping
center,
where
euro
foods
is
located,
a
new
liquor
store
just
moved
in
there
in
an
office,
it's
right
across
the
street,
from
our
property
at
the
the
former
quickly
blessing
and
there's
like
snakes
all
the
way
back
from
that
location.
B
The
fox
family
owns
this.
This
easement
as
matt,
showing
you
right
now,
and
it
goes
all
the
way
back
to
the
original.
You
know
joking
earlier
about
the
history
of
wes
ashley
and
some
other
things.
This
goes
all
the
way
back
to
the
original
opening
of
the
original
ingress
egress
to
charlestown
landing
when
there.
C
B
Well
over
time,
the
city
did
not
own
this
property.
This
movement
and
people
built
sheds
over
this
ditch
trees
grew
up
in
it
and
these
properties
along
the
line
that
not
shown
in
this
sort
of
curly
q
area
when
it
rained
just
a
bad
rainstorm
that
probably
got
flooded
and
water
came
inside
their
homes
went
underneath
the
house
ruined
air
conditioning
decks.
B
Some
of
the
property
owners
did
some
remedial
work
on
their
own
by
adding
french
drains
and
some
pumps
to
clear
the
water
out
of
that
I've
talked
to
charlie
fox,
whose
family
owns
this
property.
He
was
unaware
of
that.
The
problem
was
going
on
with
all
of
this
and
has
agreed
to
work
with
the
city
either
grant
us
an
easement
or
give
us
the
land
give
us
this
property,
but
in
order
to
do
that,
we've
got
to
get
a
survey
to
know
exactly
what
we're
dealing
with.
B
So
it
goes
all
the
way
from
old
town
road
to
the
back
of
the
line,
which
is
carteret
drive
intersects
with
southgate.
In
order
for
these
folks
to
get
relief,
the
only
way
we
can
be
able
to
figure
out
this
ditch
is
to
do
the
survey.
B
I've
got
some
new
property
owners
and
on
here
they
want
to
build
the
fence
back
there.
I
can't
tell
them-
or
nobody
can
really
tell
them
where
to
put
the
fence,
because
they
do
it
now
they
may
be
encouraging
on
and
an
easement
that's
not
well
defined.
So
it
sounds
like
a
lot
of
money
to
do.
Survey
work
we're
used
to
something
a
whole
lot
less,
but
surveyors
are
busy
right
now
as
a
real
estate
boom
going
on.
This
is
a
it
should
be
a
little
complicated
to
get
back
there
to
people's
backyards.
B
To
get
this
done,
and
that's
why
I
just
need
to
get
this
approved
and
ask
for
the
council
committee's
approval
on
this
on
this
expenditure.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
G
Yes,
sir,
I
think
this
is
definitely
an
important
project
that
needs
to
get
done.
I'm
just
wondering:
where
are
we
at
with
this
whole
drainage
fund
with
this
money
that
we
were
allocating?
G
E
Yeah,
certainly
we
so
we
we
did
have
a
series
of
projects
that
were
kind
of
addressed
at
the
at
the
beginning
or
near
the
beginning
of
the
calendar
year.
There
have
been
a
number
of
additional
projects
since
then
that
we
have
either
received
requests
for
or
developed
at
a
staff
level
and
added
to
the
list.
The
current
expenditures
of
this
year's
million
dollars
we're
standing
at
about
820
000
allocated.
E
So
we
have
roughly
100
just
a
little
bit
less
than
180
thousand
dollars
less
left
in
this
year's
allocation.
We
did
request
another
million
dollars
in
the
the
pending
council
budget
for
next
year's
allocation
as
well.
There
are
still
obviously,
as
as
councilman
griffin
brought
up.
There
are
a
series
of
other
unfunded
projects
from
the
original
list,
though
the
only
unfunded
projects
remaining
are
there's
a
belfast
road
drainage
improvement.
There
was
a
handicap
ramp
drainage
improvement
at
concord
street
at
waterfront
park.
E
There
was
a
drainage
improvement
on
fort
royal
drainage
improvement
at
harberson
for
ditch
stabilization
improvements
for
drainage
and
kind
of
the
drainage
in
the
sidewalk.
So
it's
a
drainage,
sidewall
collaboration
on
savannah
highway
and
then
a
pipe
rehabilitation
program
in
wagner
terrace,
which
we've
actually
performed
a
significant
amount
of
that
work
in-house
on
the
wagner,
terrace
work
so
far,
there
certainly
is
easily
another
50
000
worth
of
work
out
there,
which
is
what
the
original
allocation
request
is,
but
those
are
the
only
unfunded
ones
from
that
original
project
list.
At
this
point.
G
G
I
I
honestly,
I
know
ten
thousand
dollars
doesn't
seem
like
a
lot,
but
once
we
spend
the
ten
thousand
dollars
to
get
the
survey
work
done,
then
we're
committing
that
we're
going
to
see
this
project
forward
and
we
don't
really
know
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things
and
just
because
we
have
some
money
left
over
from
this
year's
drainage.
Small
project
drainage
budget
doesn't
mean
we
should
spend
it,
maybe
might
be
a
better
thing
to
carry
it
over
into
next
year,
knowing
that
we're
in
dire
financial
shape.
E
You
know
it's
a
good
question,
so
we
are
currently
going
through
using
the
prioritization
system
we
developed
with
aecom
to
score
and
prioritize
kind
of
all
these
different
projects
that
we've
identified,
but
that
that
work
is
still
ongoing.
I'll,
probably
be
another
at
least
another
month
for
the
scoring
before
that
scoring
is
complete.
G
Well,
I
would
feel
a
lot
more
comfortable
approving
this
money
in
a
month
when
we
know
what
the
prioritization
of
it
is.
I'm
just
really
worried
about
us.
You
know
having
people
bring
individual
projects
to
the
table
and
approving
them
right
now,
when
we
need
every
dollar
that
we
can
to
balance
the
budget,
and
we
really
don't
know
what
next
year
is
even
going
to
look
like
you
know
you
ask
for
a
million
dollars,
but
at
this
point
we
haven't
voted
on
the
budget.
G
We
don't
even
know
if
we're
going
to
get
that
money
yet
so
you
know
I,
I
feel
kind
of
weary
about
proving
money
right
now,
this
close
to
budget
time
moving
into
the
next
year.
C
Well,
let's
see
councilman
griffin,
let
me
just
kind
of
point
out
now
this
comes
out
of
stormwater,
not
not
the
general
fund,
so.
G
G
C
A
Yeah
I
wanted
to
ask
matt
if
he
had,
assuming
you
get
the
survey
done,
and
I
guess
the
next
thing
would
be
to
get
some
easements,
which
is
just
a
legal
kind
of
thing.
What
is
the
projected
real
construction
part
of
of
the
fix
here
and
and
do
you
have
any
even
ballpark
on
on
the
cost
of
that
eventual
project.
E
Yes,
it's
a
good
question,
mr
mayor
part
of
the
reason
we're
looking
at
doing
the
survey
work
is
it
very
much
depends
where
the
ditch
is
within
the
way
the
land
falls
that
that's
the
challenge
on
many
of
these
kind
of
rear
yard
systems.
If
the
ditch
is
sitting
within
that
kind
of
property
sliver
that
councilman
shade
has
spoken
to
the
owner
and
they
might
be
willing
to
dedicate
it
gratis
and
we
can
go
in
and
clean
that
up
and
open
it
up.
E
There
may
be,
you
know,
relatively
minimal
additional
resources
if
it
defends
it
as
a
tree,
removal
or
something
you
might
be
at.
You
know
ten
thousand
dollars
another
twenty
thousand
dollars.
If
it
turns
out
that
ditch
is
sitting
outside
of
the
property
lines
and
we
have
to
remove
fences
or
we
have
to
remove
beds.
That's
where
you
would
have
a
a
higher
cost,
and
that's
that's
always
part
of
the
challenge
of
any
engineering
project.
Is
it's
hard
to
have
a
good
cost
estimate
until
you
have
done
some
of
the
engineering
work
and
there
is?
E
There
is
a
frustrating
component
to
that
of
of
feeling,
like
you,
have
sunk
cost
into
a
project
and
it's
hard
to
back
up.
So
it
is
something
that's
part
of
the
reason
we
did
the
prioritization
system
is.
We
would
normally
do
this
survey
and
then
basically
re-rank
the
project,
knowing
the
actual
cost,
to
see
whether
additional
funding
was
worth
it.
The
the
upside
of
that
approach,
and
that's
what
we're
feeling
good
about
is
that
you're
kind
of
larger
allocations
of
money
get
used
for
things
that
that
matter.
E
A
E
It
would
not
be
a
million
dollars
if
it
did
get
to
where
we
had
to
relocate
a
series
of
fences
or
remove
a
series
of
trees.
I
mean
you
could
easily
climb
up
to
into
that
100
to
200
000
range,
which
is
where
it
does
start
to
get
much
more
expensive.
Obviously,
all
right.
Thank
you.
F
Yeah
to
the
mayor's
point,
you
know
we're
not
doing
anything
like
buying
out
people's
houses
or
doing
anything
like
that
crazy.
So
I
I
just
want
to
say
that
you
know
this
is
exactly
the
type
of
infrastructure
work.
We
need
to
be
doing
right
now.
This
is
very
reminiscent
of
a
project
that
we've
been
working
on
ever
since
I've
gotten
on
the
council
over
in
the
crescent,
where
we're
trying
to
establish
drainage,
ditches
and
easements
where
none
have
existed.
F
For
you
know
generations,
this
is
the
exact
type
of
you
know:
bang
for
your
buck,
low
hanging,
fruit,
common
sense
measures
that
we
need
to
take,
and
you
know
I
get
the
whole
thing
about
the
sunk
cost
issue,
but
sometimes
you
have
to
have
a
survey
just
in
order
to
be
able
to
engage
and
approach
the
community
just
so
they
can
even
see
what
you're
proposing
and
whose
properties
are
going
to
be
impacted.
F
So
you
can
go
about
the
business
of
collecting
easement,
so
this
is
something
that,
as
soon
as
I
saw
this,
I
had
sympathy
for
council
councilman
shead,
because
I'm
dealing
with
the
same
exact
issue
in
in
my
district.
So
these
are
common
sense,
efficient,
low-cost
but
high
reward
projects,
and-
and
I
think
it's
exactly
what
we
need
to
be
doing
thanks.
C
Yeah
councilman
ca.
B
Yeah,
thank
you
all
for
those
comments,
and
I
just
want
to
emphasize
something
that
matt
said
the
the
survey
is
just
going
to
map
out
this
this
ditch
and
for
it
took
us
years
to
sort
of
identify
this
ditch
to
do
the
research
on
it
in
house
with
legal,
and
then
we
found
out
that
we
don't
even
own
it.
It
belongs
to
a
private
property
owner.
B
B
This
is
going
to
provide
almost
immediate
relief
for
those
property
owners
whose
homes
are
being
damaged
and
whose
property
are
being
devaluated
because
of
a
issue
that
the
city
did
not
coordinate
with
back
in
the
early
days
of
this
development
with
the
property
owners,
and
so
we're
going
to
remedy
that
for
these
folks,
they
will
get
immediate
relief
with
this,
as
as
the
mayor
mentioned
and
councilmember
ross
mentioned,
this
is
not
something
we're
dealing
with
with
a
long-term
multi-million
dollar
project.
B
It
really
is
to
give
everybody
a
clear
picture
of
where
is
their
property
lines
and
where
this
ditch
is
and
to
help
them
rearrange
some
of
the
the
issues
dealing
with
with
obstructions.
That's
what's
going
to
happen
with
this
and
if
at
some
point
down
the
road
which
may
be
years
down
in
the
making,
we
need
to
do
something
more
heavy
duty
with
this
we'll
address
that,
but
right
now
I
just
want
these
folks
to
have
some
relief
on
this.
B
That
have
approached
me
on
wanting
to
improve
their
property
and
by
putting
up
some
privacy
fences
which
are
entitled
to
do
in
the
backyard.
But
I
can't
advise
them
what
to
do
at
this
point
until
this
is
this
issue
is
being
clarified
as
well.
So
I
appreciate
the
support
on
this.
Like
I
said,
ten
thousand.
G
B
C
C
These
small
project
funds
into
21,
because
the
older
areas
of
the
city,
in
particular
areas
west
ashley,
when
a
lot
of
those
areas
were
laid
out,
storm
water-
I
don't
even
know
if
we
had
a
storm
water
department.
C
So
a
lot
of
these
areas
just
like
this
one,
didn't
have
a
ditch.
So
if
these
people
may
be
in
the
feeling
of
that,
you
know
they
want
to
give
up
this
easement
on
a
very
low
cost,
I'm
possibly
free
yeah.
I
think
we
need
to
move
forward
because
we
can
run
into
this
again.
Any
of
the
older
areas
got
the
same
same
problems.
C
I'll
call
for
the
question
and
let's
say
any
final
questions
call
for
the
question
all
in
favor,
please
say
hi.
I
I.
E
E
So,
mr
chairman
items,
the
next
five
items:
items
three
through
seven
are
very
related
items.
E
There
are
two
separate
task
order
contracts
which
typically
get
referred
to
as
like
indefinite
delivery
contracts,
where
you're,
basically
assigning
a
or
you're
bidding
a
series
of
services
and
people
contractors
will
come
in
and
say
here
are
the
unit
costs
for
those
services
and
then
basically,
when
a
need
for
those
types
of
services
comes
up,
you
have
kind
of
pre-competitively
bid
costs
and
you
can
use
those
contractors
for
up
to
100
000
of
work
under
a
procurement
code
at
a
time,
basically,
on
these
small
small
project
work.
This.
E
So
this
is,
this
is
the
same
type
of
contract
as
that
the
the
ones
that
we
had
at
450
that
we
brought
to
500,
that
was
for
pipe
cleaning,
basically,
our
our
pipe
cleaning
contractors
for
all
the
the
concrete
and
vitrified
clay
pipe
throughout
the
peninsula.
These
are
a
little
bit
different.
This
is
actually
sort
of
a
long
running
project
that
we
have
finally
gotten
to
the
point
of
this
being
our
best
contractual
method.
To
start
this
is
what
we've
referred
to
in
the
past
as
the
lime
house,
brick
arch
rehabilitation
project.
E
So
this
is
the
pilot
project
out
of
the
it's
actually,
the
2012
stormwater
bond
funding,
basically
cleaning
and
rehabilitating
and
use
converting
the
brick
arch
system
into
a
functional
stormwater
system
on
the
peninsula.
So
we've
talked
about
this
before
that's
basically
trying
to
convert,
what's
currently
a
significant
liability
where
we
keep
having
these
collapses
and
having
to
come
in
and
do
do
repair
work
to
say,
let's
just
basically
systematically
move
through
the
arch
system
stabilize
it.
E
E
Basically
there's
so
much
unknown
and
uncertainty
work
in
the
brick
arches
that
the
indefinite
delivery
basically
lets
you
deal
with
it
almost
like
a
design
build
contract
with
the
with
basically
frank
acton
is
our
designer,
and
these
on-call
contract
is
acting
as
our
our
builders,
where
they
can
go
in
and
custom
work
that
so
the
first
two,
the
first
make
sure
I'm
right,
the
sorry
the
first
three
items
are
for
lining
and
repair
work
of
those
arches
and
then
the
next
two
items
after
that
are
for
the
cleaning
and
inspection
work.
E
So
it's
two
different
skill
sets
and
two
different
sets
of
contractors.
This
does
not
allocate
500
000
to
each
one
of
these
projects.
We
still
are
constrained
within
the
1.8
million
dollars
available
within
the
budget
for
this
work.
It
just
allows
us
to
allocate
up
to
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
any
individual
contractor
using
those
task
order,
contracts.
C
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
on
the
floor.
A
Can
I
move
or
council
member
shade
okay,
take
three
through
seven
all
together,
yeah.
B
B
A
B
So
this
is
mainly
for
matt.
This
is
that
system
that
we
thought
was
long
gone
and
we
stumbled
upon
this,
and
this
is
I
hate
to
use
the
word
benefit.
I
think
it's
sort
of
what
it
is
we're,
taking
advantage
of
a
very
well
constructed
system
done
in
the
19th
century
that
is
going
to
help
us
with
our
overall
drainage
improvement
throughout
the
through
it's
a
specialized
section
of
the
city.
E
Yes,
yeah.
Absolutely
the
system
was
installed
in
the
1850s
for
a
yellow
fever
epidemic.
I
think
there
had
generally
been
an
assumption
that
it
had
mostly
collapsed
and
was
non-functional
and
as
we've
basically
done,
our
and
mostly
mr
newman,
has
done
repair
work
on
it
over
the
last
10
years.
It's
actually
we've
realized
most
of
it.
E
Despite
the
failures,
a
lot
of
it
is
actually
in
really
good
condition
and
is
quite
functional
other
than
we
have
some
generally,
where
we
have
some
utility
conflicts
and
things
that
have
broken
it
and
the
the
the
work
there
is
basically
going
in
and
restoring
the
damage,
which
mostly
has
been
done
over
the
last
150
years.
It's
been
quite
a
quite
a
long
time
for
damage
to
occur,
but
restore
that
tie
it
back
in
and
the
the
so
again
the
cost
of
doing
that.
E
Even
if
you
ignore
the
liability
of
it
occasionally
failing
and
costing
us
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
on
emergency
style
repair
work,
you
know
the
the
improvement
cost
to
install
five
foot
by
three
foot
box
culverts.
Basically,
throughout
the
peninsula,
with
all
the
utilities
and
everything
else
that
exists
down
there
and
trying
to
open
and
close
roads,
it
would
be
10
times
this
at
least
an
order
of
magnitude
higher
than
this.
So
it's
a
it's
really
an
irreplaceable
asset
to
us
that
is
currently
costing
us
a
lot
of
money
as
a
liability.
E
A
So
I
would
point
out
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
on
this
mat,
but
this
particular
little
archway
tunnel
that
starts
at
low
battery
and
goes
up
a
lime
house
to
trad
street
then
goes
one
block
over
trad
and
up
archdale
to
street
and
then
all
the
way
up
to
spring
street.
A
Imagine
that
that
you'd
have
a
direct
drainage
line
running
all
the
way
from
spring,
really
almost
down
the
spine
of
the
peninsula
and
when
you
get
up
to
and
wentworth
and
incoming
and
mars
street
you've
got
some
intersections
up
there
that
really
flood
out
badly,
even
in
a
this
afternoon,
thunderstorm.
So
I'm
excited.
I
know
it's
going
to
take
us
a
while
to
get
all
the
way
up.
There
probably
take
a
few
years.
A
I
don't
know
exactly,
but
I'm
very
excited
to
see
at
least
when
it
gets
up
to
coming
and
wentworth
street
whether
this
creates
a
kind
of
benefit.
Oh
there's
a
map
of
it
right.
There.
E
E
Spring
being
here
springing
cannon
and
you
can
see
the
other
streets-
and
this
is
a
good
map
example
too,
that
a
lot
of
these
are
dot
streets.
A
lot
of
our
conflicts
are
cws
conflicts
and
it's
another
area
where
part
of
the
intent
of
the
pilot
project
is
to
try
to
come
up
with
an
approach
to
work
with
those
two
agencies
to
help
fund
and
improve
the
drainage
instead
of
collaboratively.
We'd
all
benefit.
So
much
from
this
work.
C
See
mr
phil,
I'm
just
curious
curious.
If
somehow
we
were,
you
know
able
to
rehabilitate
these.
Would
this
be
a
potential
help
towards
sunny
day
flooding.
E
So
we've
talked
about
that,
mr
sherman.
The
the
benefit
for
sunny
day
would
be
if
we
were
to
add
lift
stations
on
to
them
after
they
were
rehabilitated,
basically
putting
very
small
pump
stations
in.
That
is
a
potential
that
we've
looked
at.
I
mean
frank,
frank-
has
certainly
done
some
conceptual
work.
We
would
probably
need
to
actually
get
an
engineering
firm
to
do
some
modeling,
because
these
start
to
be
this
is
like
the
opposite
of
doing
water,
distribution
or
like
sprinkler
design,
and
that
the
further
upstream
you
go.
E
The
more
connections
have
come
into
the
system,
so
the
more
complex
the
hydra
the
hydraulics
get
and
how
much
water
comes
in
from
where.
But
there
certainly
is
the
potential
for
a
lift
station
to
enhance
that
flow
by
creating
basically
just
driving
the
head
down
and
in
the
southern
areas
behind
the
wall.
E
That
would
be
an
area
where
you
really
would
see
some
improvements
on
some
of
that
sunny
day
flooding
a
lot
of
it.
We
can
block
out
with
the
we
can
block
out
with
the
check
valves
to
some
extent
already,
but
you
would
also
you
still
see
that
sunny
day
sort
of
a
pseudo
sunny
day
flooding
where
we
get
a
very
light
rain
storm
during
a
very
high
tide
period
that
still
causes
quite
a
bit
of
flooding,
because
the
water
just
can't
get
out-
and
we
see
that
not
just
in
the
peninsula.
E
E
So
these
are
a
little
bit
different,
so
the
the
these
are
all
like
hand
lane
brick,
so
they
were
meant
to
be
man
cleaned
and
what
was
probably
the
literally
the
worst
job.
I
think
that
you
could
come
up
with
it's
a
history
of
how
that
was
performed
in
charleston,
of
course,
but
we've
we've
we've
had
when
we
first
started
cleaning
these
we
were
still
hand
cleaning
them
as
well.
E
They're
five
feet
tall
and
three
feet
wide,
because
that
was
about
as
small
as
space
as
you
could
put
people
into
to
work
in,
but
they're
an
arch
with
a
flat
bottom.
The
flat
bottom
sits
on
like
wood,
that's
slightly
beneath
the
groundwater,
so
it
won't
rot.
So
what
we
actually
do
is
when
we
clean
them.
The
brick
is
still
in
really
good
shape.
D
C
Pretty
cool
any
inputs
from
committee
members.
C
Let
me
call
and
call
the
question
all
in
favor
aye
aye
any
opposed
to
this,
no
believe
it
or
not.
That's
it
for
this
meeting,
mr
fountain,
any
last
comments
on
issues
that
you
think
we
need
to
inform
the
committee
about.
E
I
think
we're
okay
at
this
point
in
time.
Mr
chairman,
I
do
have
a
project
update
on
the
next.
The
the
next
meeting,
which
is
in
I
think
about
a
week,
touch
base
again
and
give
just
a
very
brief
update
on
some
of
the
projects.
Certainly
the
forest
acres,
one
I'm
sure,
you've
seen
playground
road
under
construction
out
there
with
att
doing
their
relocation.
So
that's
that's.
Probably
the
most
exciting
update
right
now
is
that
that
project
is
now
actually
underway
with
utilities
relocating.
C
C
Mr
me,
I
got
call
from
the
the
state
head
for
etnt
as
well
on
that
one
last
week,
so
I
appreciate
your
input
on
that
and
everybody
on
this
committee.
Obviously
mr
fountain
and
our
people,
so
we're
going
to
be
poised
once
the
att
gets
finished,
mr
fountain,
we're
going
to
be
poised
to
get
going
with
the
drainage
part.
E
We
will
we'll
have
a
bid
contract
and
we'll
be
ready
to
basically
have
that
contractor
start
working
as
soon
as
at
t
is
out
of
the
way,
and
I
I
see
councilman
fell
right
in
his
hand.
He
might
he
might
be
thinking
that
we
have
also
started
the
windermere
drainage
improvement
project
and
have
surveyors
in
the
field
working
on
that
project.
As
well
and
councilman
griffin
next
meeting,
we
will
be
bringing
the
contract
with
our
professional
services
firm
to
start
the
church
greek
work.
C
There's
a
lot
going
on,
I'm
gonna
come
to
councilman,
fail
and
then
see.
F
And
I
gotta
give
matt
some
props
here
in
our
ongoing
quest
to
smooth
out
the
bureaucratic
red
tape
around
stormwater
outfalls
into
the
marsh.
I'm,
not
I'm
not
going
to
try
to
get
into
the
details
here,
but
I
can
just
tell
you
I've
seen
enough
to
know
that
this
issue
was
being
pressed
forward.
F
I've
seen
matt's
comments
on
the
proposals,
they're
very
detailed
they're,
very
geared
towards
getting
this
moving
in
the
right
direction,
and
this
is
something
that
touches
on
the
federal
government,
the
state
government,
the
county,
us
it's
a
very
complicated
effort,
it's
a
long
time
overdue
in
a
long
time
in
the
making,
but
there's
some
light
at
the
end
of
the
tunnel
here
and
it's
very
exciting
to
see
because
you
know
this
is
going
to
be
a
potential
game
changer
for
not
just
my
district,
but
for
any
district
that
has
a
a
pipe
going
to
a
marsh,
which
I.
F
Lot
of
around
here
and
just
the
ability
to
go
in
there
clean
it
up
improve
water
flow.
We
did
a
little
project
like
this
in
the
south
windermere
shopping
center
earlier
this
year,
and
you
know
it
hasn't
solved
all
of
our
problems
over
there
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination.
But
I
can
tell
you
I've
heard
from
the
merchants
over
in
the
shopping
center,
I've
heard
from
the
neighbors
around
there.
It
is
not
as
bad
as
it's
been,
and
this
is
another
example
of
low
hanging
fruit
common
sense.
F
You
know
projects
in
the
single
digit,
thousands
or
you
know
you
know
tens
of
thousands
to
get
meaningful
changes
and
meaningful
improvements
delivered
to
people
sooner
rather
than
later
so
got
to
give
matt
and
his
team
props
on
this.
It's
a
very
exciting,
not
the
sexiest
thing
in
the
world
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination,
but
it's
a
very
important
effort,
and
really
I'm
just
very
thankful
for
his
hard
work
on
this
issue.
C
Appreciate
the
comments
councilman
see
you,
I.
B
I
I
just
want
to
echo
a
little
bit
of
what
has
been
said
from
all
of
us
so
far
and
deep
appreciation
for
tom
o'brien's
team
and
for
matt
fountain's
team.
You
know,
as
councilmember
powell
said,
this
is
not
the
sexy
things
that
we
do
with
city
government,
but
it's
probably
one
of
the
most
important
things,
so
it
has
a
huge
impact
on
people's
lives,
their
ability
to
simply
enjoy
their
property
if
nothing
else,
but
the
work
that
they
do
is
really
just
critical
and
we've
been
able
to
carry
forth
with
this.
B
In
spite
of
all
the
other
budget
issues,
we've
been
dealing
with,
we've
been
able
to
do
the
things
we're
supposed
to
be
doing
as
a
city
which
is
address
these
issues
that
both
both
departments
are
responsible
for
doing,
and
this
has
the
greatest
impact
on
our
community.
B
Matt
had
done
this
for
me,
mr
chairman,
and
I
may
want
to
recommend
him
doing
this
for
citywide,
but
he
attended
one
of
my
constituent
monthly
meetings
and
gave
a
really
good
update
as
to
within
within
district
nine.
What
was
going
on
and
the
money
that
was
spent
on
doing
that,
and
I'm
maybe
just
like
to
recommend
to
both
tom
and
to
matt
if
we
could
have
sort
of
an.
G
D
B
The
year
state
of
of
what
we've
been
doing,
this,
the
past
2020,
and
so
the
projects
have
been
accomplished
and
the
work
that's
been
done
by
both
departments
so
that
we
can
just
sort
of
hold
that
out
to
our
constituents
and
say
here
are
these
projects
that
we've
been
doing.
This
is
what
we've
been
able
to
accomplish
on
a
citywide
basis,
not
just
a
district-wide
basis,
but
a
city-wide
basis.
It
goes
through
this.
B
The
things
that
tom
does
in
his
department
and
matt
does
in
his
apartment
and
show
the
money
that's
been
spent
and
the
projects
that
have
been
have
been
addressed.
So
I
would
recommend
that,
mr
chairman,
for
some,
we
can
get
it
down
between
now
and
the
end
of
the
year.
That's
fine
or
the
beginning,
part
of
january,
just
sort
of
an
update
for
the
state
of
the
department
with
what's
happened,
and
how
this
has
impacted.
Our
community.
C
Let
me
tell
you:
a
state
of
drainage
would
be
very
appropriate.
Just
like
you
have
the
state
of
the
union.
Yes
in
the
city
of
charleston,
the
state
of
drainage
would
be
very,
you
have
a
lot
of
people
listening
on
that
one,
okay,.
C
A
Well,
mr
chairman,
I
I
did
speak
with
colonel
hundred
at
the
u.s
army
corps
of
engineers
about
a
month
ago,
after
our
city's
comments
had
been
submitted,
just
to
reiterate,
get
her
attention
to
the
issue
and
to
look
at
it.
I
think
at
this
point,
the
ball
is
in
their
hands
being
the
corps
of
engineers.
A
I
I
I
don't
know
that
additional.
E
Mayor
the
the
corps
is
basically,
they
have
a
nation,
a
series
of
nationwide
permits
that
have
to
be
renewed
every
five
years,
they're
in
their
current
renewal
cycle
for
that
over
the
next
month
and
a
half
or
so.
E
I
think
they
will
be
picking
back
up
on
the
outfall
discussions,
basically
as
that
wraps
up,
probably
in
january
february.
So
it's
not
a
bad
time
to
start
just
you
know
mentioning
how
important
it
is
to
the
city
and
making
sure
it's
thought
of
as
a
priority,
because
there's
always
a
balance
of
a
balance
of
needs
and
considerations
that
the
corps
looks
at
that
they
look
at
the
ecological
impacts,
obviously
very
strongly
and
there's
a
number
of
federal
resource
agencies
and
interest
groups
that
feel
very
strongly
about
the
ecological
impacts.
E
I
think,
there's
a
you
know,
certainly
a
good
story
to
be
told
about
the
flood
impacts
as
well,
and
and
reiterating
that
you
know
these
permits
are
primarily
for
existing
outfalls
that
were
previously
disturbed,
that
we
are
just
continuing
to
keep
functional.
These
are
not.
These
are
not
to
install
new
outfalls.
These
are
not
to
create
new
disturbances.
E
I
think
that's.
That's
a
really
key
point
to
just
keep
pushing
on
that.
This
is,
it
is
different.
I
mean
this.
Is
local
government
only
general
permit
to
be
able
to
maintain?
You
know
flood
mitigation
for
our
citizens?
Basically,
that's
a
very
different
thing
than
ecological
harm
for
the
sake
of
new
development
or
something
along
those
lines
and
we'll
definitely
stay
in
touch
as
that.
Permit
process
evolves.
So
we
can
continue
to
coordinate
our
efforts.
C
Thank
you
all
right,
well,
good
meeting.
I
do
believe
we
right
up
there
with
real
estate
on
this
one.
So
didn't
keep
you
too
long,
but
look
forward
to
seeing
you
guys
tomorrow
at
the
workshop
and
having
a
good
council
meeting
tomorrow,
thanks
a
lot
for
all
you're
doing
matt
and
team
and
we'll
see
you
the
next
time,
yeah.
F
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
not
going
to
not
see
the
phone,
nobody
bother,
matt
enjoy
the
waves
down
there
and
enjoy
man.
They.
F
E
B
Matt,
I
think
we
should
see
you
in
your
your
flip-flops
and
t-shirt
right
now
and
tan.
Oh.