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City of Charleston Committee on Public Works and Utilities 10/11/21
B
B
Okay,
let's
do
that
and
I'm
gonna
ask
give
the
mayor
privilege
of
having
an
invocation.
A
B
We
can
get
the
minute
to
prove
the
minister
13th
being
deferred.
Can
we
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
from
september
27
of
41.
B
B
Public
hearing,
okay:
let's
go
back
then
item
c
you're
gonna
dress
up:
okay,.
C
This
is
a
request
to
set
a
public
hearing
for
the
closing
and
abandonment
of
ackerman
court,
located
off
of
saint
phillips
street
kind
of
heading
in
an
easter
egg
direction
towards
king
street
around
the
posting
courier
parking
lot
area.
There's
a
project:
that's
is
proposed
for
that
area
and
the
company
that's
doing
the
project
has
purchased
a
lot
of
the
land
around
there.
In
order
to
build
the
project
they
want
to
build
they're,
requesting
that
this
short
unreally,
unapproved
street
be
closed
and
abandoned.
C
C
B
C
A
B
Hi
any
of
you,
thank
you,
mr
brian.
Yes,
sir
catching
me
on
that
one.
I
had
now
item
acceptance
and
dedication.
Mr
brain.
C
Yes,
sir,
this
is
one
of
our
letters
to
dot,
saying
that
we're
gonna
accept
maintenance
responsibility
for
some
grant,
curb
that's
going
in
at
the
project
at
1084
king
street,
and
it's
a
standard
letter
that
we've
sent
numerous
times.
So
we're
just
asking
permission
for
us
to
take
over
that
granite
curve,
which
was
required
during
the
trc
process
for
the
applicant
to
put
in.
B
C
I'd
have
to
let
me
look
real
quick
on
my
left,
my
my
my
agenda
here
and
I
can
tell
you
real
quickly
here.
A
My
google
map
shows
it
to
be
the
central
mosque,
but
I
don't
know
if
that's
correct
or
not.
C
What
what
I
have
shown
mayor
on
the
on
the
the
submittal
that
came
in
this
is
on
king
street,
and
it's
between
ron,
it's
180
feet
to
romney
street
and
220
to
poinsett
street.
A
Well,
either
either
google
map
is
wrong
or
the
address
isn't
quite
right,
so
you
might
just
double
check
the
address.
C
B
We
do
have
a
motion,
I
mean
councilman
griffin
made
it
all
right.
A
Well,
if
he's
saying
it's
between
romney
and
poinsett
street,
that's
the
next,
that's
a
block
to
the
south
of
where
google
says
1084
is,
but
maybe
google
is
wrong.
I
don't
know
you
might
be
right.
C
Maybe
I've
got
the
submittal
here
in
the
full
package,
I'll
I'll
check
it
when
matt's
making
his
report.
Okay,
terrific,
yes,
sir.
A
B
Do
that
we'll
defer
that
and
give
it
a
little
more
time
we
don't
have
any
temporary
encroachments
now
stormwater
management
update
mr
fountain.
E
We've
got
three
items
today.
The
first
item
is
the
market
street
drainage
improvement,
streetscape
project.
This
is
recommending
the
approval
of
fee
amendment
number
17
with
davidson
floyd
in
the
amount
of
371
thousand
dollars,
and
this
is
the
work
if
we
want
to
add
the
design
of
electrical
services
conduit
and
handholds
to
basically
support
the
undergrounding
of
power
along
the
project
corridor.
This
includes
basically
reconnection
design
for
62,
approximately
62
electric
meters
along
the
corridor.
E
Conversion
design
is
dominion
would
be
changing
the
voltage
for
the
system
from
240
volt
to
208
208
volt
as
part
of
their
design,
which
has
an
impact
from
electrical
service
perspective
and
then,
basically,
as
we
talked
about
building
in
the
conduit
and
the
handholds,
to
try
to
try
to
minimize
what
will
be
removed
from
the
streetscaping
by
dominion
during
the
construction
work
during
the
undergrounding
after
we've
completed
the
drainage
and
streetscaping
work.
D
A
E
So
that's
a
good
question,
mary,
this
one's
on
a
specific
mou
for
the
market
street
project
back
from
kind
of
the
origination
of
the
market
street
project,
probably
nine
years
ago,
maybe
20
yeah.
I
am
not
as
familiar
with
the
normal
undergrounding
agreement
as
I
am
with
this
agreement,
because
we
don't
normally
do
power
underground
in
yeah.
E
I
know
in
a
lot
of
situations,
it's
left
up
to
the
property
owners
to
deal
with
the
reconnection,
but
that's
a
relatively
significant
expense,
you're
putting
onto
each
of
the
property
owners
who
may
or
may
not
be
able
to
reconnect
their
power.
So
I
think
in
this
situation
we
had
said
that,
since
it's
part
of
the
project
that
we're
doing
it's
worth
putting
in
that
effort,
the
other
portion
of
this
cost
is
a
little
bit
unusual
and
I
think
you're
right
that
typically
it
would
be
more
cost.
E
Foreign
by
dominion
is
that
in
most
neighborhoods
the
work
to
underground
the
power
is
basically
ripping
up
either
an
asphalt
street
or
a
concrete
sidewalk,
and
you
just
you
know,
do
anyway
replace
it
in
kind
as
part
of
the
underground
in
and
this
one
they
would
still
replace
it
in
kind
at
their
own
expense.
If
we
didn't
provide
conduit
in
hand
holes,
the
problem
is
that
we'll
have
just
gone
through
and
basically
streetscaped
the
entire
area.
So
we
don't
want
them
to
put
back.
You
know
concrete
and
asphalt.
E
E
To
kind
of
avoid
that
conflict
is
we're
going
to
run
the
conduit
with
their
coordination
and
install
the
hand
holes
in
kind
of
the
decorative
sidewalk
so
that
they
can
pull
line
through
those,
as
the
project
goes
rather
than
have
to
tear
everything
up
and
I'm
sure
it
won't
be
perfect,
but
it'll
substantially
reduce
the
amount
of
rework,
especially
in
a
corridor
where
it'll,
you
know
that
likely
will
go
through
three
years
of
a
construction
project.
To
have
this
happen,
the
last
thing
we
really
want
to
do
is
immediately
start
another
construction
project.
E
E
Yeah
and
dominion
I
mean
dominion
has
been
pretty
responsive.
I
think
this
one's
been
a
little
bit
tricky
and
that
we
started
out
with
an
se
and
g
team,
and
now
we
have
a
dominion
team
and
they
just
have
slightly
different
ways
that
they
run
underground
in
projects,
so
this
is
kind
of
getting
up
to
speed
on
what
dominion
would
require,
since
most
of
the
seng
team
has
retired.
At
this
point,
during
that
shift
to
dominion,
gotcha.
B
E
So
this
is
a
professional
service
contract
recommended
award
professional
service
contract
with
wolpert
for
the
amount
of
49
785,
and
basically
this
is
a
stormwater
utility
utility
fee
billing
method
analysis,
so
the
intent
here
is
to
use
the
stormwater
operations
account
funding
to
basically
hire
wolpert
to
look
at
our
stormwater
fee,
build
a
spreadsheet
tool
that
you
can
use
to
run
different
modeling
scenarios
of
what
you
would
do
with
these
and
then
look
at
how
else
could
we
bill
our
fee
versus
the
cws
process,
specifically
we're
looking
at
if
we
moved
it
to
the
county
tax
bill?
E
B
Councilman
griffin,
any
second
out
there
back
hacking.
Oh
thank
you
good
work
on
everybody
on
this
one,
and
I
know
you
got
999
things
to
do
mr
fountain,
but
I
appreciate
you
and
the
mayor
getting
on
this
one
here.
All
in
favor,
please
say:
hi.
B
C
F
You,
mr
chairman,
I
just
was
hoping
to
get
an
update
on
especially
the
westin
and
samson
project
that
we
we
were
presented
with
recommendations
back
at
the
end
of
2017.
F
B
F
Were
such
as
a
20
million
dollar
plus
pump
station?
So
I'm
just
wondering
what
our
philosophy
is
moving
forward.
Now
that
we're
about
four
years
into
those
recommendations
and
kind
of
what
our,
what
our
stance
is
as
a
city
as
to
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
be
looking
to
complete
some
of
those
projects
or
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
tie.
E
E
Yeah
absolutely
thank
you
sherman,
so
the
I
kind
of
I'm
going
to
run
through
councilman
griffin,
the
recommendations
from
the
western
samsung
report
and
kind
of
give
you
an
update
on
where
each
of
those
stands
and
then
we'll
see.
If
we
have
questions
or
want
to
talk
about
in
more
detail,
so
the
and
they're
I'm
not
going
to
give
these
quite
in
the
order
they're
presented
in
the
westin
samsung
report,
but
give
them
more
and
I
think
an
order
they'll
be
a
little
easier
to
follow.
E
For
the
purposes
of
this
discussion,
the
the
easy
kind
of
the
the
first
recommendation
shouldn't
say
the
easiest,
probably
one
of
the
more
challenging
recommendations,
but
one
that
was
very
important
and
was
accomplished
by
council
and
the
stormwater
department
was
the
policy
recommendation
that
west
and
sampson
made,
and
that
was
to
change
the
stormwater
design
standards
manual,
basically
create
a
custom
set
of
requirements
for
the
church,
creek
basin
that
are
based
on
the
model
that
both
wolpert
and
wesson
sampson
have
kind
of
collaboratively
developed.
That
looks
at
how
stormwater
flows
throughout
that
entire
basin.
E
We
did
update
the
manual
for
that.
We
did
incorporate
this
this
special
basin.
It
does
require
film
mitigation
if
you
feel
anywhere
within
the
floodplain.
Basically,
not
only
are
you
cutting
the
same
amount
of
fill
you're,
actually
cutting
more
fill
than
one
one
and
a
quarter
times
as
much
fill
as
you
place.
So
that's
a
that's,
a
big
difference
that
was
very
important
for
this
basin,
because
it's
so
sensitive
to
flooding
and
storage
issues.
E
E
And
then
we
made
a
series
of
other
somewhat
more
minor
changes
that
have
a
big
impact
from
an
engineering
perspective
and
that
that
all
went
into
effect
that
exists
now
some
of
that
was
actually
used
to
model
or
pilot
the
special
protection
area
requirements
in
the
new
manual
that
was
passed
as
well
for
the
city,
so
we've
extended
that
out
into
other
basins,
more
customized
for
the
other
basins.
E
Where
church
creek's
a
little
a
little
more
stringent
even
than
the
rest
of
the
special
protection
areas,
but
that's
that
was
kind
of
the
first
and
first
recommendation
and
the
first
thing
we
did
put
in
I'm
kind
of
going
through
the
other,
the
other
project
areas.
There
was
a
recommendation
for
tidal
surge
protection.
E
That's
one!
There
there's
a
need
if
you
install
a
pump
station,
basically
to
prevent
tidal
water
from
coming
back
up
into
the
pump
station,
or
else
you
just
end
up,
circulating
ocean
water
and
burning
out
your
pumps
that
one
was
looked
at
in
more
detail
by
by
both
us
with
wes
and
samson,
and
actually
some
outside
consultants
in
the
area
and
the
the
level
of
protection
is
relatively
low.
E
If
you
don't
have,
the
pump
station
only
adds
protection
during
really
really
massive
tide
events
that
also
have
major
rain
events,
and
it's
still
a
few
million
dollars
so
that
one
we've
kind
of
put
on
hold
and
until
such
time
as
there
is
a
pump
station
west
and
sampson's
concurred
with
that
that
it
really
makes
the
most
sense
as
a
pump
station
supplement.
E
We
looked
at
the
improvements
to
the
main
road
area
drainage,
so
this
is
basically
the
portion
of
church
creek
that
sort
of
we
call
it
the
plank
canal
area.
Sometimes
it
flows
either
way
depending
on
what
the
storms
are
doing
and
what
the
flooding
is
doing.
It
can
either
flow
down
towards
the
crosstown
church
in
the
major
outfall
or
it
can
kind
of
flow
down
through
beast
ferry
road,
basically,
all
the
way
out
to
main
road
where
the
main
road
flooding
occurs
and
if
you're
familiar
with
the
rv
park
down
there.
E
That's
kind
of
the
outfall
area
for
that
flooding
that
that
is
a
another
significant
area
for
improvement,
in
that
both
areas
currently
flood.
But
if
you
can
relieve
flooding
in
either
area
would
help
the
other
area-
and
this
is
a
project
that
that's
been
making
progress.
It's
actually
one
that
charleston
county
has
the
lead
on.
They
were
successful
in
acquiring
a
fema
grant
to
look
at
improving
the
culverts
under
the
railroad
in
that
area
and
under
main
road.
E
It's
a
long
time
a
long-term
project
is
the
way
fema
is
set
up
in
the
the
complexity
of
dealing
with
the
csx
amtrak
line
there.
But
it's
one
that's
got
a
design
and
got
some
some
real
potential
for
improvement.
It's
also
incorporated
into
the
main
road
widening
project
as
they
as
the
county
makes
progress
on
that
kind
of
corridor
of
improving
traffic
flow
onto
john's
island
they're.
E
Looking
at
it
from
a
drainage
perspective
of
how
could
that
relieve
some
of
that
flow
out
of
church
creek
once
one
of
those
downstream
improvements
is
done,
there'd
be
the
potential
to
potentially
there'd,
be
potential
to
improve
some
of
the
canals
to
help
more
water.
Go
that
direction
without
worsening
anyone's
flooding,
so
that
that
would
be
the
next
step
is
kind
of
that
project
proceeds,
but
that's
a
very
large
scale,
another
you
know
multi-million
dollar
project
and
take
it
to
the
main
road
widening.
E
E
The
next
one
was
up
upper
basin
improvements,
so
this
was
talking
about
what
could
you
do
in
sort
of
the
long
savannah,
especially
the
village
green
phase,
3
section
of
long
savannah,
to
help
relieve
some
of
the
the
pressure
of
that
water
coming
down
all
the
way
down
through
the
basin
and
again
into
the
the
railroad
and
causing
flooding?
E
There's
a
couple
of
things
we've
done
there,
one
that
was
was
passed
by
council
relatively
recently,
was
when
we
extended
the
long
savannah
village
green
phase,
3
development
agreement.
We
did
require
the
developer
to
comply
with
the
most
current
stormwater
manual,
which
brings
in
those
church,
creek
regulations
and
all
special
protection
area
regulations
which
requires
them
to
build
quite
a
bit
of
additional
storage
versus
what
the
old
development
agreement
would
have
required
or
could
have
required,
depending
on
the
interpretation
it
also.
E
You
may
recall
that
there
was
a
negotiation
with
recreational
space
versus
pond
space
to
require
the
developer,
to
use
part
of
the
original
space
that
they
proposed
to
build
to
build
larger
storm
water
ponds.
That
would
also
become
recreational
ponds
that
was
kind
of
a
multifaceted
agreement,
because
it
also
required
them
to
build
much
higher
quality
recreational
facilities.
E
Even
though
they're
building
a
slightly
lower
acreage
of
facility,
it
required
it
to
be
basically
like
active
recreation
fields
like
soccer
fields
and
baseball
fields,
rather
than
sort
of
just
generic
space
that
could
be
used
for
recreation,
which
is
sort
of
the
original
development
agreement.
So
a
lot
of
things
were
accomplished
in
that
same
development
agreement
modification,
but
some
of
them
made
a
significant
improvement
to
this
recommendation.
E
The
western
samsung
report
to
basically
store
more
water
at
the
top
of
the
basin
and
keep
it
from
coming
down
and
flooding
people
as
quickly
bio
habitats
has
been
working
in
the
basin
on
our
mid
basin.
Storage
project
has
also
made
some
recommendations
in
their
kind
of
overall
basin
thoughts,
it's
very
similar
with
western
sampson
of
looking
to
try
to
divert
more
water
under
highway
61
and
out
into
the
ashley
river
as
sort
of
a
long-term
project,
as
some
of
those
developments
come
online
in
the
area.
E
So
that's
something
we'll
be
continuing
to
encourage
developers
to
look
at,
because
that
would
push
them
out
of
the
requirements
from
the
church
creek
basins.
They
could
have
a
lower
stormwater
requirement,
but
they'd
actually
provide
probably
even
more
benefit
if
they
could
get
that
improvement
corridor
out
into
the
ashley
river
and
there's
some
options
on
a
couple
of
the
larger
tracks
up
there
to
do
that.
E
So
we'll
see
if
that
keeps
developing
and
we'll
look
to
see
if
the
city
could
help
supplement
that
in
the
future
as
well,
the
hickory
farm's
diversion
channel
was
one
of
the
recommended
projects.
This
is
another
one
that
really
leverages
the
pump
station
to
be
especially
effective.
There
is
there
is
some
minor
improvement
if
you
build
it,
even
without
the
pump
station,
you
can
certainly
avoid
some
of
the
overland
flow
that
kind
of
comes
with
velocity
through
that
subdivision.
E
We
did
take
that
through
preliminary
design
about
three
years
ago.
We
did
propose
it
to
the
neighborhood.
The
neighborhood
was
generally
concerned
with
the
fact
that
the
water
would
continue
coming
through
the
neighborhood
without
the
pump
station
approach
so
that
one's
sort
of
been
put
on
the
side
board
as
well
in
case
the
pump
station
progresses.
E
The
pump
station
itself
was
one
of
the
recommendations
which
I
keep
talking
about.
I
should
have
started
with
that
one
that
one
because
the
funding
considerations
is
still
sort
of
on
hold
it's
it's
a
possible
option
that
could
be
looked
at
one
day,
but
it's
likely
it's
a
very,
very
long
run
of
outfall
pipe
with
a
lot
of
property
acquisition.
E
So
it's
likely
to
be
very,
very
expensive
and
I
think,
realistically,
from
what
we've
seen
on
our
recent
pump
station
constructions,
you're,
probably
looking
at
somewhere
on
the
order
of
50
million
dollars
just
for
the
station
itself.
So
if
we
again,
we've
got
that
one
as
an
option.
It
certainly
has
some
potential
for
benefit,
but
it's
a
very,
very
high
cost.
So
we're
looking
to
see
some
other
cost
cost
benefit
projects
rather
than
that
to
start
out
with
and
see
what
improvements
we
get
channel
maintenance.
E
This
is
one
that
much
of
this
work
was
accomplished
as
well
kind
of
we
went
through
and
did
major
maintenance
pull
a
lot
of
the
snags
and
debris
out
of
the
major
canals
put
in
a
more
regular
inspection
program
onto
some
of
the
culverts
and
major
crossings
where
we're
likely
to
get
blockages
and
have
problems.
We
also
do
monthly
spraying
for
aquatic
weeds
to
try
to
prevent
the
aquatic
weeds
from
basically
forming
and
then
getting
caught
on
those
snags
and
causing
blockages.
E
We
have
a
hot
spot
inspection
protocol
in
the
neighborhood.
Basically,
in
our
rain
days
before
major
storm
events,
they
go
through
and
check
the
major
blockage
areas
to
see
if
there's
any
problems
that
they
need
to
address
yeah.
Of
course.
This
is
something
we
could
do
better,
just
like
we
could
throughout
the
whole
city.
E
You
can
always
do
more,
but
we're
certainly
doing
a
much
better
job,
I
think
than
we
had
historically
done
in
the
area
and
probably
getting
close
to
time
to
try
to
look
at
another
major
cleaning.
After
all,
the
recent
hurricanes
we've
had
and
tree
fall.
We've
had
through
the
area.
E
E
We
did
hire
western
sampson
to
do
quite
a
bit
of
additional
modeling
on
that
approach,
the
more
detailed
modeling
we
did
the
more
it
shows
that,
because
of
the
tidal
impacts
in
that
section
of
the
basin,
you're
not
likely
to
see
any
significant
improvement
in
the
church
creek
watershed
from
that
work,
but
you
are
likely
to
see
a
significant
amount
of
improvement
in
lake
dotterer
and
potentially
even
in
long
branch
creek.
So
that
project
is
still
a
potential
project,
but
one
that
sort
of
falls
outside
of
the
church
creek
improvement
basin.
E
Now
it's
more
of
a
late
daughter
or
long
branch,
creek
improvement
project,
it's
sort
of
continuing
to
be
looked
at,
including
with
the
glenn
mcconnell
widening
talking
with
the
county
about
the
potential
to
install
culvert
pipes
under
the
glen
mcconnell
underground
mcconnell
during
that
widening,
which
will
be
the
first
step
in
that
project,
the
last
one,
the
csx
canal
improvements.
This
was
basically
looking
at
trying
to
direct
more
water
from
kind
of
the
grand
oaks
area
down
through
behind
the
walmart
and
down
into
the
crosstown
church
area.
E
This
is
one
that
we
were
hoping
would
show
some
real
benefits.
We
did
a
really
detailed
hydraulic
model
of
it
and,
unfortunately,
it
ends
up
providing
too
much
worsening
at
the
church
for
the
benefit
that
it
provides
upstream,
you
do
move
water
very
effectively.
You
just
move
it
too
quickly
into
the
area,
that's
already
flooding,
so
that
one
got
also
put
on
the
side
of
saying
it's
not
a.
Unless
you
have
a
pump
station,
it's
not
an
effective
way
to
handle
flooding
in
the
short
run.
E
That
one,
though,
did
did
create
some
of
the
benefit,
or
some
of
the
idea
for
this
mid
basin
storage
project
that
we're
looking
at
because
since
it's
conveying
too
much
water
down
to
the
church
caused
a
problem,
the
idea
was
well.
Could
we
slow
the
water
that's
coming
to
the
church?
Instead,
that's
where
we've
been
looking
at
the
bridge,
point
apartments,
the
work
over
on
mellor
and
walt
drive,
and
then
the
work
along
around
the
church.
E
Basically,
to
say,
instead
of
bringing
water
there
faster,
can
we
take
the
water
that's
already
coming
there
slow
it
down
by
adding
into
these
wetlands
and
flood
plains,
hold
the
water
and
kind
of
ecological
parks
and
then
allow
it
to
eventually
flow
to
the
basin
when
the
basin
recovers,
so
that
that
modeling
did
show
significant
benefit
again
for
the
level
of
cost,
but
we're
successful
in
the
national
fish
and
wildlife
foundation.
Grants
for
that
and
obviously
councils
continue
to
pass
the
design
work
and
permitting
work
to
continue
those
projects.
E
So
we
we
hope
to
see
the
mauler
and
wolf
drive,
which
are
the
short,
short-term
kind
of
smaller
projects
in
construction
within
the
next
few
months.
Bridgepoint
is
going
into
final
design
and
permitting
now
it
should
be
in
construction,
probably
by
the
end
of
next
year,
or
at
least
out
to
bid
by
the
end
of
next
year,
depending
on
environmental
permitting,
and
then
the
church
should
follow
within
six
months
or
so
after
that
into
construction
that
the
general
area
around
the
church,
I
should
say
with
a
larger
ecological
park
in
that
area
as
well.
E
So
quite
a
bit
of
short-term
medium
turn
and
long-term
progress
have
already
happened.
The
certainly
we're
seeing
the
impact
of
the
stormwater
design
center
manual
changes
on
the
way
development
is
happening
in
the
basements,
but
that's
been
the
biggest
most
effective
impact.
The
maintenance,
I
think,
has
done
a
lot
to
reduce
the
additional
flooding
we've
seen
since
that
20
20
15
2016.
We
really
haven't
seen
the
same
level
of
flooding
as
we
did
at
that
point.
It
still
absolutely
floods
in
the
area,
but
it
does
drain
out
a
little
bit
better.
E
It
does
does
reduce
the
frequency
of
flooding
and
then
we'll
continue
to
work
through
these
storage
projects
to
help
bring
that
water
level
down
during
flooding.
Further,
I
mean,
as
the
tiff
comes
online
and
hopefully
starts
generating
some
revenue
we'll
be
able
to
look
at
our
next
round
of
projects
to
do
some
additional
work
in
the
area
as
well.
E
Relatively
short,
on
summary,
on
the
area
in
a
relatively
complicated
area,
with
a
lot
going
on
in
it,
but
please
let
me
know
if
you
have
any
questions.
F
I
want
to
thank
you
so
much
matt
for
all
this
information.
Obviously
it's
disappointing
to
hear
that
we've
tabled
pretty
much
all
of
the
recommendations
or
the
the
blueprint
that
western
champs
has
laid
out,
but
I
understand
that
we've
had
several
other
opinions.
Since
then
you
know,
we've
had
the
dutch
come
in
and.
F
F
Let
me
ask
you
this:
when
did
we
sort
of
make
the
decision
that
the
pump
station
wasn't
really
the
the
game
plan
that
we
were
trying
to
go
and
then,
as
a
follow-up
to
that?
F
I,
you
know
everybody
knows.
Last
week
we
got
hit
pretty
hard
over
and
out
of
west
ashley
with
rain
and
unfortunately,
most
of
our
ditches
over
in
church
creek.
The
church,
victory
of
shadow
moss,
hickory
hill
hickory
farm
were
all.
B
F
Pretty
much
to
the
brim,
because
we
got
hit
at
high
tide
now
when
it
comes
to
hickory
farms.
A
lot
of
their
problem
that
I'm
seeing
is
that
they
have
runoff.
That's
coming
in
from
some
of
these
newer
developments
behind
them,
such
as
stable
homes
and
some.
F
F
C
E
E
Five
of
those
were
progressed,
which
is
not
bad
from
a
concept
perspective,
but
you're
right
that
some
of
them
certainly
were
not
progressed
at
this
point,
the
ninth
one,
you
could
argue
we
did
or
did
not
and
that
it's
the
canal
improvements
which
we
ended
up
turning
into
the
mid
basin
storage
project,
but
it
wasn't
the
original
recommendation.
It
just
led
to
a
recommendation
from
the
pump
station
perspective.
E
E
You
know
we're
unlikely
to
bring
recommendations
that
don't
have
a
funding
associated
with
them,
because
we'd
have
to
basically
go
back
through
budget
hawk
and
have
them
make
the
recommendation
for
funding.
So
it's
it's
certainly
a
lot
of
money.
It's
it's!
A
very
large
station.
We've
continued
to
look
for
grant
opportunities
for
it
or
other
approaches
that
council
may
see
possibilities
for,
but
it's
it's
you
know
a
project,
that's
generally
about
five
times
the
size
of
most
of
the
projects
that
we
fund
as
a
city.
E
So
we
do
look
for
options
we
haven't
found
one.
That's
that's
a
good
fit
at
this
point,
but
we'll
continue
to
look.
Let's
remember
what
the
other
staffing
question
so
that
that's
a
it
is
a
very
good
point.
We're
definitely
struggling
with
staffing
at
the
moment,
we're
sitting
at
roughly
50
staff
in
our
field
operations
group
from
what
we're
budgeted
for
it's
not
unusual
that
we
run
more
of
like
a
80
to
90
percent
staffing.
E
We
do
generally
hire
quite
a
few
temps
temps
are
very
difficult
to
acquire
at
the
moment
because
of
the
industry.
The
main
thing
honestly
for
most
of
the
employees
is
is
just
salary
at
this
point
that
you
know
we
pay
relatively
low
salaries
compared
to
the
construction
industry,
and
these
are
mostly
construction,
style,
jobs
and
they're,
just
very
difficult
to
hire
for.
A
So
matt,
if
you
mentioned
this,
I
might
have
missed
it.
I
remember
one
of
the
recommendations
was
about
the
culver
culverts
that
go
under
the
railroad
tracks
and
maybe
you're
just
some
keeping
a
good
eye
on
that
from
a
maintenance
point
of
view.
I
know
discussion
a
little
ways
ago
was
that
getting
the
railroad
to
agree
to
anything
different
would
be
a
very
difficult
lift,
but
anyway
you
did
you
mention
that
or
do
you
have
any
information
on
that
on
those
culverts.
E
E
E
Like
the
mid-basin
storage
that
we've
been
doing
or
some
of
the
maintenance
work,
we've
been
doing
separately,
we've
looked
with
both
western
sampson
and
biohabitats
at
the
the
culverts
is
under
beast
ferry
road
that
lead
through
the
previous
improvement
project
that
the
city
put
in
with
the
diversion,
if
anyone's
familiar
with
the
diversion
channel
that
or
the
diversion
box
culverts
that
kind
of
go
down
basically
across
from
that
mall
or
drive
wool
court
area,
there's
a
large.
B
E
E
That
does
again
it's
another
outfall
kind
of
choke
point
for
the
neighborhood
one
of
the
tricky
parts
from
all
of
those
has
been
that
avoiding
negative
impacts
on
the
property
owners
between
61
and
the
railroad
track
is
difficult
because
that
that
area
councilman
griffin's
right
at
high
tide.
That
area
receives
a
lot
of
water
at
high
tide
coming
under
highway
61..
E
E
You
know
the
classic
approaches
for
something
like
that
would
be
to
either
dredge
the
creek,
which
is
spectacularly
difficult,
because
it's
like
a
five
thousand
or
I'm
sorry,
a
five
mile
long
creek.
The
way
it
meanders
so
the
the
the
mitigation
would
be
would
be
tremendous.
I
don't
know
that
you'd
get.
I
don't
know
you'd
even
get
a
permit,
even
with
mitigation,
to
do
that.
E
The
other
option
that
weston
sampson
looked
at
was
potentially
tied
protection
under
highway
61.,
that's
still
a
possible
option
in
some
ways
you
get
more
protection
from
some
of
that.
You
do
have
the
challenge
that
that
impacts,
that
five
miles
of
martian
creeks
you'd
have
to
figure
out
a
way
to
basically
only
close
it
in
extreme
like
hurricane
style.
Events
which
again
is
is
possible
and
something
we
can
continue
to
look
at.
It
just
didn't
get
shortlisted
because,
again,
that's
a
really
expensive.
Incredibly
high
environmental,
permanent,
lift
it's
doable
and
it
might
provide
some
protection.
E
It's
just
sort
of
one
of
those
projects.
That's
in
our
next
queue
of
items
to
consider
with
about
habitats
that
the
highway
61
diversion
would
be
the
same
thing
to
bring
more
water
in
the
north
out
through
under
highway
61
kind
of
through
the
plantation
areas
on
the
north.
There's
some
nice
canals
and
old,
like
probably
timber,
harvesting
and
phosphate
mining
areas
that
clearly
were
old,
canals
that
drain
through
that
area
that
we
could
try
to
restore
and
improve.
E
So
there
are
a
few
few
ideas
we
have
like
that.
Those
are
just
bigger,
longer
term
high,
permit
lift
type
projects,
we're
continuing
to
look
at
all
of
them.
Thank
you.
It's
a
tough!
It
is
a
tough
area.
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
big.
It's
a
big
basement,
a
lot
going
on.
B
Okay,
any
questions
from
any
other
council
members.
I
have,
I
guess
some
information
for
discussion.
One
is
mr
felton.
B
I
thank
you
and
you,
mr
mayor,
you
may
be
familiar
with
this
there's
a
issue
with
ashley
harbor
with
I
think
a
stopped
up
drain
something
over
there
and
because
you
know,
ashley
harbor
is,
I
think,
the
only
gated
community
anyway
allowed
in
the
city
of
charleston
and
obviously
they
pay
stolen
one
of
these-
and
I
get
I
get
the
rationale
believe
me,
I'm
I
don't
have
to
be
convinced.
B
Obviously,
when
the
water
runs
from
the
private
streets
eventually
enters
a
public
system
and
those
public
system,
ditches
of
pipes
need
to
be
open.
That's
what
stonewall
is
for,
but
I
was
wondering
whether
we
could
maybe
have
a
legal
look
into
maybe
doing
a
mou
on
something
like
that.
If,
if,
if
they
were
to
agree
to
pay
all
costs
or
whatever,
I
don't
think
that
happens
that
often
my
understanding
in
the
past,
the
city
has
has
done
that.
I've
gone
in
and
sucked
out
of
dreams
or
two,
but
can
we
have
our
legal?
B
Have
the
consideration
to
look
for
having
some
kind
of
mou
on
something
like
that
it'll
probably
take
longer
for
the
truck
to
drive
over
there
and
take
the
sucker
thing
out,
but
anyway
that's
my
thought.
For
the
day
on
that
one,
you
have
any
discussion
on
that
I'll.
Just
take
that
for
information
and
maybe
respond
back
in
two
weeks.
A
B
Let
me
give
a
little
bit
more
over
and
ashley
harbor.
Apparently
they
had
a
dreamy.
Oh
mr
fountain,
are
you
familiar
with.
E
I
can
so,
I
think
the
requested
come
in.
They
have
a
basically
a
great
inlet,
I
think
in
the
street
that
has
has
clogging
in
it.
They
were
asking
if
we
could,
if
we
could
clean
and
maintain
the
inlet,
as
as
constant
weary
mentioned,
it's
a
private
road
with
private
drainage,
infrastructure
and
councilman's
right
that
it
it's
it's
an
unusual
one
and
that
most
of
their
infrastructure
does
not
drain
back
into
the
public
infrastructure
generally
drains
out
there
is.
E
There
are
some
communities
customers
have
touched
on
it
that
allow
a
stormwater
fee
credit
for
that
type
of
situation.
The
city
doesn't
really
have
a
current
credit
manual
that
it
reads
in
a
useful
manner.
There
was
one
from
from
a
very
long
time
ago
that
was
built
before
the
city
had
its
own
stormwater
ordinances
when
it
was
still
dehect
regulating
that
we
haven't
used.
E
We
could
certainly
update
that
and
consider
that,
as
part
of
our
stormwater
utility
fee
assessment,
I
think
councilman
was
specifically
specifically
referring
to
was
maintenance
on
them,
and
I
think
we've
talked
with
legal
and
the
concern
is:
is
the
city's
generally
not
supposed
to
use
even
utility
fee,
much
less
taxpayer
money
to
obviously
do
work
on
private
property
right?
It's
a
benefit
to
a
private
citizen
right,
and
I
certainly
understand
where
the
community
is
coming
from
with
the
fact
that
they
paid
the
fee
and
they
would
like
to
have
their
drains
cleaned.
E
And
it's
sort
of
a
similar
situation
to
when
the
road
needs
to
be
resurfaced
or
potholes
need
to
be
patched,
and
I
I
think
contaminating
your
right.
I
mean
that
if
there's
a
life
safety
issue
like
during
hurricane
recovery
or
if
there's
flooding
that
isn't
leaving
those
are
times
where
sometimes
there's
a
potential
to
clean
something
out,
so
fire
truck
can
get
through
and
do
that
kind
of
work.
B
Yeah
I'll
just
think
of
mou,
I
think
these
people-
probably
I
can't
speak
for
for
them,
but
obviously
we
don't
do
it.
They
gotta
hire
a
private
truck
to
come
out
there.
So
I
mean
if
we
can
have
some
sort
of
mou
agreement.
I
think
they'd
be
willing
to
do
that,
but
I
I
thought
it
was
worth.
B
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
thank
you
both
and
then.
The
second
thing
I
have
is,
I
being
in
the
lucky
spot.
I
got
a
letter
from
an
attorney
about
a
drainage
issue
that
mr
fountain
and
I
met
with
over
on
in
the
doo-wop
area.
Mr
mayor,
I
got
this
friday
and
anyway
it's
it's
over.
Mr
fountain
called
a
meeting
with.
He
is
one
of
his
staff
in
the
county,
because
you
know
that's
a
joint
venture
over
there
trying
to
correct
the
drainage
over
the
doo-wop
area.
B
There
apparently
a
couple
of
these
owners.
They
thanked
us
for
that
meeting
and
I'm
gonna
pass
this
on
to
you
by
the
way
and
and
but
he
refers
to
his
clients.
He
wants
to
pull
together
another
meeting
like
that
between
the
city
and
the
county
and
the
staff.
B
As
to
you
know,
what
are
we
doing
to
help
improve
drainage
in
that
area,
but
in
the
last
paragraph
he
refers
to
my
client's.
Problems
are
due
to
insufficient
maintenance
of
the
existing
drainage
and
he
goes
on
well.
I
figured
that
was
above
my
pay
grade.
So
then,
I'm
gonna
send
that
to
you
and
others
can
take
a
look
at
it
on
the
committee,
but
we
probably
can
on
the
next
meeting,
maybe
have
an
update
on
the
doo-wop
drainage
situation,
but
he
just
doesn't
know
the
work.
B
That's
being
done,
you
know
to
try
to
get
things
done
over
there
and
I
think
the
people
don't
either
so
so
maybe
we
can
get
an
update
in
conjunction
with
the
county
to
to
let
those
people
because
half
of
those
people
you
know
in
the
county
and
maybe
half
if
that
is
in
the
city,
but
certainly
something
some
kind
of
communique
needs
to
go
out.
Let
those
people
know
that
you
know
hey,
we
we're
getting
close,
we're
not
quite
there
yet,
but
we're
a
long
way
from
where
we
were
two
years
ago.
B
So
anyway,
I'll
pass
this
on
to
you
and
the
council
members
and
have.
A
B
C
F
Yes,
sir,
I'm
just
wondering
you
know
mr
fountain
touched
on
how
his
crews
are
at
50
of
what
was
budgeted.
What
about
our
public
services
division?
What
are
we
looking
at
for
our
cdl
drivers?
Are
our
sanitation
workers?
C
Yes,
sir,
I've
got
mr
oltop
on
the
call
who's
got
the
accurate,
up-to-date
numbers.
I
know
what
they
generally
are,
but
matt
matt
can
give
you
that
I
will
tell
you
that
that
our
hr
department
works
tirelessly
with
us
to
try
and
hire
cdl
drivers
and
and
they're.
Just
we
just
don't
get
any
applicants
and
they
work
very
hard.
They
look
at
a
lot
of
places,
but
it's
not
a
problem.
Just
common
to
us.
There
are
several
areas.
C
A
So
I
would
say
we're
roughly
right
about
40
to
50
as
well.
We
we
are
struggling.
A
The
last
couple
weeks
has
been
pretty
tough.
We
have
been
having
to
work
a
tremendous.
D
Amount
of
overtime
and
on
friday,
as.
F
Just
to
follow
up
with
that
too,
you
know
everybody
knows
that
there
was
an
executive
order
to
you
know,
make
all
of
our
employees
get
the
vaccine
by
a
certain
date.
I'm
very
very
concerned
that
you
know
we're
looking
at
numbers
that
we're
we're
six
or
seven
years
behind
where
we
should
be
with
the
number
of
employees
and
I'm
very
concerned
that
we
may
lose
some
other
very,
very,
very
important
city
employees
come
next
month
when.
F
Or
vaccine
mandate
goes
into
place,
so
you
know.
I
would
hope,
mr
mayor,
that
you
would
look
at
that
and
potentially
rescind
that
that
mandate,
because
I'm
very
very
concerned
that
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
offer
the
essential
services
that
our
taxpayers
pay
us
every
year
to
do.
I'm.
B
F
Very
concerned
as
to
what
we're
going
to
look
at
in
terms
of
the
services
that
we
can
offer
when
our
departments
are
already
telling
us
that
we're
50
60
understaffed.
This
could
add
an
another
layer
of
ten
percent
on
that
could
significantly
impact
the
job
that
we
do
as
a
city.
And
I
hope
that
we'll
take
that
very
seriously.
Mr
mayor
I'll
plan
to
ask
you
that
tomorrow,
night
at
city
council.
D
Yes,
sir,
I
think
that
this
is
getting
into
dangerous
territory.
You
saw
start
talking
about
that.
This
vaccine
is
going
to
create
a
shortage
of
workforce.
That's
not
the
problem
and
we've
had
several
discussions
about
the
shortage
of
workforce
and
it's
it's
across
the
city
and
it
we
know
what
levels
this
is
affecting.
We
talked
about
this
at
our
budget
workshop
meeting
just
recently
last
week,
so
to
go
out
there
and
to
say
that
the
vaccine
mandate
is
causing
a
workforce
shortage
is
dangerous
and
it
really
is
quite
dangerous.
D
The
vaccine
mandate
is
something
I
I
support
the
mayor
in
doing
because
it's
it's
there
to
protect
this
thing,
these
our
citizens
and
our
workforce,
so
that
we
don't
have
a
reduction
in
workforce.
We've
had
a
number
of
people
out
because
of
of
clover
19.,
hopefully
what's
happening
with
this
thing.
Is
that
we're
turning
the
corner
because
locally
in
the
city
of
charleston,
in
the
city
of
south
carolina
and
nationally,
we've
seen
a
huge
uptake
on
the
people
getting
the
vaccine?
D
So
I
think
we
have
to
be
very
careful
how
we
talk
about
whether
or
not
this
vaccine
mandates
will
create
a
workforce
shortage.
That's
not
the
issue
that
we're
dealing
with
we've
got
other
issues
dealing
with
our
pay
grades.
The
number
of
the
number
of
folks
out
in
the
workforce
available
to
us
to
employ
this
is
not
just
something.
D
That's
happened
in
the
city
of
charleston
and
to
make
those
kind
of
comments,
I
think,
is
somewhat
misleading
to
the
public,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
sending
out
the
wrong
answers
about
that.
If
you
want
to
bring
it
up
at
city
council
meeting
tomorrow,
my
response
today
is
going
to
be
the
same
response.
I'll
give
you
tomorrow
that
we've
got
to
be
careful.
What
we
talk
about,
we
talk
about
these
vaccine
mandates,
creating
a
workforce
shortage.
That's
not
the
case
at
all
that
there
are
other
issues
are
engaged
with
this
thing.
B
All
right,
councilman
griffin.
F
Well
and
councilmember
shed,
I
believe,
I'm
just
as
much
a
city
councilman
as
you
are,
and
I'm
telling
you
that
I
have
had
several
discussions
with
our
city
employees.
We
have
up
to
what
could
be
up
to
ten
percent
of
our
workforce
that
is
going
to
not
have
a
job
because
these
back
these
vaccine
mandates.
So
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
wrong
with
me
saying
that
that
is
the
potential
to
lose
employees.
The
fact
is,
it
could
happen
and
we
need
to
be
prepared
for
it.
F
D
A
A
Vote
on
the
item
indication
for
1084
king
street
before
all
right,
let
me
let.
B
B
Mia's
right
on
there
now
mr
o'brien
pointed
out
where
that
building
is,
and
hopefully
a
new
business
is
to
be
moving
in
there
do
we
have
an
approval
but
acceptance
and
dedication
of
item
e1.
We
have
a
motion
for
that.
B
B
I
don't
know
if
somebody's
trying
to
get
recognized
any
new
business
to
come
forward
with
that
by
acclimation.
I
call
the
meeting
to
end
and
then
we'll
see
you
tomorrow.
Everybody.