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City of Charleston Smokestack Committee 11/19/20
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A
A
C
B
Good,
I
I'm
not
sure
edmond
was
expecting
me.
I
just
decided
and
thank
everybody
for
agreeing
to
be
a
part
of
this,
and
I
can
just
stick
around
for
about
15
to
20
minutes
and
wanted
to
hear
the
initial
report.
So
don't
let
me
get
in
your
way,
but
thanks
again
and
and
we'll
see
where
this
goes.
Thank
you
and
I
see
john
maslon.
There
hadn't
seen
you
in
a
while
good
to
see
you
thanks
for
being
a
part
of
this.
Thank
you
mayor
appreciate
the.
C
B
I
Sure
I
I
thought
that
we
were
going
to
have
some
opening
remarks
from
the
chairperson
initially,
so
we
do
have
an
agenda.
Liz
bailey
had
circulated
it
to
all
the
the
task
force
members.
So
I
was
just
going
to
kind
of
sequence
through
that
robert
did.
You
want
to
start
with
some
opening
remarks,
or
would
we
say
that
the
mayors
would
suffice
for
that.
F
F
B
B
I
I
B
D
A
Hello-
everyone,
I'm
john
masalan
and
I'm
on
the
board
of
the
preservation
society,
and
I
too
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
and
be
with
you-
and
I
mentioned
to
ms
bailey-
that
this
got
scheduled
over
something
that
I
already
had
scheduled.
So
I'm
good
for
a
few
minutes,
and
I
will
schedule
around
it
next
time
that
I'm
I
may
have
to
drop
off
a
little
early
today.
Thanks.
B
K
B
Thank
you,
ken
and
the
meeting
is
advertised
and
open
to
the
public,
so
joe
watson
is
with
us
he's
also
a
citizen
of
the
east
side
and
I
think,
maybe
on
has
been
active
in
the
neighborhood
there
all
his
life.
I
know
joe,
but
he's
not
actually
a
member
of
the
commission,
but
we
welcome
you
to
be
with
us
today,
joe
and
then
are
the
task
force.
B
E
C
Sir,
I'm
craig
bennett
and
I'm
a
structural
engineer
with
bennett,
preservation,
engineering
and
and
our
work
is
just
structural
engineering
for
historic
preservation
and
we,
basically,
we
keep
old
buildings
standing
up,
and
so
we've
been
we've
been
contracted
to
to
come
up
with
a
preservation
plan
on
the
stacks.
Thank
you.
B
I
The
next
item
is
basically
the
goals
of
the
committee,
and
there
was
discussion
at
the
council
level
and
I
guess
there
was
a
resolution
or
approval
to
move
forward.
I
should
say
of
what
these
goals
of
the
committee
are
mayor.
I
don't
want
to
put
you
on
the
spot.
Would
you
mind
commenting
on
what
was
discussed
at
council
so
that
for
the
record,
we
have
what
those
goals
are.
I
My
understanding
of
the
one
of
the
goals
of
this
committee
was
to
make
the
recommendation
to
council
the
second
council
meeting
in
january
as
to
what
the
findings
of
this
task
force
was
going
to
be
moving
forward.
But
that
includes
the
funding
as
well.
Should
this
this
task
force
approve
a
full
preservation.
B
Given
that
there
is
some
urgency
to
this
matter.
You
know
whatever
we
do.
We
want
to
try
to
get
accomplished
if
at
all
possible,
before
the
next
serious
part
of
the
hurricane
season
rolls
around,
and
you
know,
along
with
the
the
the
reasoning
to
ask
craig
to
go
ahead
and
come
up
with
with
the
more
specific
preservation
plan.
B
C
I
J
J
B
G
I
I'll
start
off
and
then
craig
I'll
ask
if
you
can
kind
of
jump
in
so
just
a
little
bit
of
a
rewind
on
that
international
chimney
company.
Was
there
actually
online
watching
this
too?
By
the
way
they
did
a
field
inspection?
It
was
performed
october
27
through
october
29th,
and
this
is
where
they
came
out
and
they
did
an
exterior
inspection
and
then
they
went
down
inside
with
a
camera.
I
I
Now
my
understanding
was
their
engineering
department
that
actually
puts
together
the
report
and
analyzes
the
images
and
the
recommendations
they
had
been
backed
up.
So
we
received
the
north
tower
assessment
yesterday
and
I
created
a
dropbox
account
and
I
uploaded
that,
and
I
sent
that
to
you
all.
I
know
that
you
didn't
have
an
opportunity
to
review
it
yet,
but
I
do
have
that
up
on
my
screen
and
I
can
share
that.
I
E
F
E
B
I
I
C
Good,
thank
you
and
appreciate
it.
Edmund
and-
and
I
will
remind
everyone
that
this
is
at
this
stage-
a
draft
report.
It's
not
it's
not
a
final
report
by
by
icc
commonwealth,
which
is
the
the
the
new
name
for
what
what
I've
always
called
international
chimney
corporation
and
but
in
any
case
the
what
they
found
and
and
we
did
meet.
We
did
meet
jason
over
there
when
he
was
down
here.
C
We
did
not
go
down
in
the
chimney
ourselves
and
the,
but
he
he
he
went
and
inspected
the
outside
then
lowered
cameras
down
into
the
inside
and
got
both
video
and
still
photographs,
and
what
he
found
is
that
most
of
the
brick
itself,
the
individual
units
are
in
fairly
decent
condition.
A
lot
of
the
mortar
joints
are
not
and
the
mortar's
looking
it's
it's
in
need
of
repointing
and,
as
he
pointed
out
there
they're
weathered
mortar
joints.
C
C
They
are
carbon
steel,
as
opposed
to
stainless
steel
bands
and
and
for
that
reason
they
tend
to
rust,
but
they
have
had
enough
maintenance
that
they're
they're,
not
not
in
a
severely
deteriorated
condition
right
now
down
at
the
base
of
the
chimney
he's
found
that
the
same
thing
we've
always
found
that
the
breach
of
the
chimney
is
is
splitting
and
it
needs
a
fair
bit
of
a
fair
bit
of
work.
He
mentioned
briefly
lightning
protection
and
the
need
to
reattach
the
down
leads.
C
C
Yeah
good
now
the
liner
he's
found
is
more
of
a
problem
and
we
examined
his
photographs
and
we
looked
at
the
ones
that
we
had
that
were
done
by
another
chimney
inspection
company
a
few
years
ago,
and
what
we
found
was
that
the
liner
has
split
in
other
places
and
and
and
now
we
we've
not
gone
through
and
compared
split
for
split
all
the
way
down.
But
what
we
we
as
as
edmund
mentioned,
we
just
got
these
yesterday.
C
C
There
are
additional
splits
in
the
liner
there's
one
thing
that's
very
good,
and
that
is
that
a
piece
of
the
liner
that
was
about
to
fall
into
the
chimney
has
not
yet
fallen
and
that
that
was
frankly,
it
was
a
little
bit
of
a
surprise
to
us,
and
but
we
were
thrilled
to
see
it
and
so
the
what.
What
we
found
is
that
that
liner,
though,
is
in
particularly
bad
condition
and
the
that's.
C
C
Okay,
three
cracks
around
the
outside
up
at
the
top,
and
so
the
the
liner
really
is
broken
up
in
a
fair
number
of
places,
and
let's
see
the
he
mentions
that
the
down
at
the
the
breach,
which
is
where
you
can
enter
the
the
chimneys,
that
the
that
the
the
members
supporting
the
opening
supporting
the
masonry
over
the
opening
are
in
bad
shape
and
and
cracking
we've
got.
We
do
have
a
lot
of
cracking
there.
E
C
E
C
C
That
that's
that's
a
really
good
point
and
let's
see
okay
good.
What
we're
looking
at
here
is
we're
looking
across.
This
is
up
near
the
top
of
the
chimney.
We're
looking
across
the
bricks
that
you
see
at
the
bottom
are
part
of
the
liner
and
and
what
we
see
above
those
and
beyond
those
are
those
bricks
are
the
shell
of
the
chimney.
This
is
the
north
chimney.
C
Now
I've
not
yet
seen
the
anything
from
on
the
on
the
south
chimney
on
this
on
the
report,
I
have
seen
some
photographs
I've
not
yet
compared
old
and
new
photographs.
There
we
go
okay,
there
we
see
a
beam
that
supports
the
the
roof.
That's
over
top
of
the
chimney.
In
the
background
you
can
see
the
outer
shell
of
the
chimney
and
and
at
the
bottom
of
the
screen,
you
can
see
the
top
of
the
liner
now
going
on
down.
C
C
If
you
look
in
the
lower
right
corner
there,
you
see
that
we're
starting
to
get
bricks
moving
out
of
plane
relative
to
each
other,
and
this
is
a
particularly
worrisome
situation
and
there
we
can
see
the
same
thing
again.
The
the
split
has
has
gone
into
two
splits
at
that
point
on
down
good
and
there
you
see
some
of
the
one
split
in
a
brick
there
yeah
and
if
I
can
edward,
let's
run
up
just
a
hair
to
the
top
look
good,
okay
and
I
think
yeah.
C
You
can
see
how
you
can
see
how
at
the
bottom
of
this
photograph,
that
the
bricks
are
very
close
to
to
getting
to
the
point
they're
not
supporting
each
other.
It's
not
going
to
take
a
lot
more
movement.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
you
can
see
it
about
three
quarters.
The
way
up
to
the
top
too
there's
there's
not
a
lot
more
movement
before
we
before
we
actually
have
bricks,
it
will
will
fall.
Okay,
let's
go
on
down.
I
C
C
Oh,
thank
you
yes,
and
there
has
been
a
lot
of
loss
of
mortar
in
there
and
they're
pretty
thin
joints
to
begin
with,
but
still
very
little
left
very
little
mortar
left
it's.
This
is
basically
a
loose
stack
of
brick.
I
mean
plain
and
simple:
that's
the
fire!
Brick!
The
liner
is
basically
just
a
loose
stack:
okay,
good
and
good.
Let's
go
on
down
good
and
down.
A
C
Splits
in
there
yeah
and
good-
and
this
is
down
at
the
base.
Actually,
this
is
below
grade
level
and
a
lot
of
debris
down
there,
and
this
is
actually
underwater
and
kind
of
a
nice
fish's
eye
view.
Okay,
let's
take
a
look
at
the
recommendations
and,
as
a
as
I
pointed
out
earlier,
this
is
a
draft
report.
These
are
not
final
recommendations,
but,
but
I
appreciate
very
much.
Icc
is
trying
to
get
us
something
quickly
on
this.
C
Knowing
this
meeting
was
come
today
coming
today
and
so
anyhow,
their
recommendations
first
develop
an
engineering
solution
to
reinforce
the
interior
of
the
chimney
for
seismic
and
wind.
Now
those
are
those
are
horizontal
loads.
Both
the
the
solution
should
include
should
consider
the
fact
that
we're
gonna
lose
weight
because
we're
gonna
have
to
disassemble
that
liner.
C
C
Then
you
then,
then,
once
once
a
day
you
go
in
there
and
and
remove
the
brick
that
have
been
taken
out
and
and
so
that's
his
process
and
you
go
through
wash
everything
down
and
get
a
good
look
at
the
at
the
interior.
Face
of
that
outer
shell,
he
also
recommends
a
foundation
study
to
go,
go
and
check
the
piles.
Those
piles,
the
pile
cap
is,
I
think,
12
or
13
feet
below
ground.
C
C
C
Reattachment
of
the
of
the
anchors
for
the
down
lead
for
the
lightning
protection
system
and
also
testing
it
for
resistance.
Okay
on
to
the
next
and
he's
recommending
removing
the
the
latter
rungs,
there's
still
some
ladder
rungs
in
there
or
remnants
of
ladder
rungs,
and
they
those
ladder
rugs,
have
corroded
and
they've
split
the
shell
of
the
chimney
and
is
recommending
a
lot
of
work
down
at
the
breach
entry
and
replacing
the
lentil
beam
and
and
repairing
the
brickwork.
C
Those
are
his
recommendations,
they're,
not
a
long
way
away
from
the
recommendations
that
we've
had
in
the
past,
and
that
is
our
initial
recommendations
back
in
back
in
2018,
and
we
back
in
2018,
we
had
two
possibilities.
One
possibility
was
to
was
to
do
pretty
much
what
he
suggested
here,
and
the
second
possibility
was
to
to
disassemble
it.
If
there
wasn't,
if
there
wasn't
money
available
for
for
doing
this
kind
of
repair,
I
think
that's
well.
C
C
J
C
No,
it's
it's
not
as
bad
miss
del
topo.
There's
a
there
is
cracking
down
the
there
are
splits
down
the
the
chimneys
due
to
corrosion
of
the
embedded
iron
ladder,
rungs
and
and
those
if
the
the
way
to
deal
with
that
is
to
is
to
just
core
around
those
and
remove
them
and
then
replace
the
the
bricks
that
have
split.
C
C
C
Focus
deeply
on
it.
I
didn't.
I
think
we
pointed
out
the
fact
that
there
were
that
there
were
splits
there
and
and
we're
talking
about
the
report
back
in
2018.
I
think
is
that
right.
The
october
2018
report
and
my
recollection
is
that
that
those
those
splits
have
actually
opened
up
significantly
since
2018
and
as
as
the
the
the
steel
inside
has
deteriorated
and
just
pushed
the
bricks
apart.
B
So
so
craig
I've
got
a
few
questions.
If
you
don't
mind
yes,
sir,
it
seemed
apparent
from
your
comments
and
and
these
photos
that
the
main
instability
is
that
inner
lining,
so
your
belief
is-
and
their
belief
is,
if
you
remove
the
inner
lining
that
you,
the
outer
lining,
so
to
speak
or
the
shell,
what
we
see
from
the
exterior
can
be
stabilized
to
where
it
it.
It
could
be
safe
consistency
and
yes,
so
walk
me
through
just
a
little
bit,
assuming
you
get
rid
of
the
inner
lining.
B
C
Mr
mayor
there's
several
things
there
are
first,
we've
got
to.
We've
got
to
make
sure
that
when,
when
this
thing
is
subject
to
wind,
well,
seismic
loads,
that
would
cause
it
to
do
this.
Actually,
wind
load
is
not
that
different,
but
we've
got
to
make
sure
that
it
cannot
overturn
and
the
way
we
do
that
is
we
run
that
what
we
think
is
probably
the
best
approach
on
this
is
to
run
vertical
straps
inside
the
inside
the
chimneys,
and
we
think
roughly
12
of
them
effectively
every
30
degrees.
C
So
that's
one
approach
that
would
do
that
that
would
that
would
prevent
overturning,
but
we
also
have
to
deal
with
sheer
and
the
way
we
do
that
is.
We
would
end
up
because
we're
going
to
be
taking
these
straps
off
and
replacing
them
with
stainless
steel
straps,
which
is,
I
think,
a
a
very
good
recommendation.
L
C
One
thing
I
I
need
to
make
everybody
fully
aware
of,
and
that
is
that
we
are
not
going
to
be
able,
because
this
is
unreinforced,
brick
masonry
or
in
some
places,
hollow
clay
tile
masonry
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
actually
make
this
thing
meet
today's
building
codes
for
for
new
construction
for
seismic
loads-
that's
not
gonna
happen,
but
we
will
dramatically
strengthen
these
things
for
full
seismic
glitch.
Now
the
question
is
okay:
why
can't
we
make
it
meet
today's
building?
C
Well,
today's
building
codes
require
that
that
we
have
joint
reinforcing
inside
of
the
inside
of
the
every
joint
every
no
more
than
every
16
inches
vertical.
Spacing
that's
just
a
that's
just
a
requirement
for
new
construction
under
today's
building
codes
and
and
that's
not
something
that
is
reasonable
or
easy
to
put
now.
Having
said
that
that
there
are
ways
in
which
we
can
cut
away
some
of
the
mortar
in
the
joints
and
put
that
kind
of
reinforcing
in
whether
or
not
we'd
achieve
the
intent
of
that
code,
I
don't
know.
C
B
C
C
We
are
here
in
the
city
that
the
water
table
is
only
four
and
a
half
to
five
and
a
half,
sometimes
six
feet
below
grade
and
and
and
we
know
that
that
pile
cap's
about
12
feet
below
grade
12
or
13
feet,
and
so
I
have
every
reason
to
think
that
that
that
that
that
would
that
pile
cap
is
stays,
stays
below
water
and
will
always
be
below
water.
I
think
it
would
be
extremely
difficult
to
to
actually
seal
everything
around
that.
I
see
yeah.
C
G
I
So
councilmember
mitchell,
as
soon
as
we're
done
with
with
this
call
I'll
upload
the
draft
report-
that's
I
believe
it
doesn't
have
photos
in
it.
It's
a
draft
text
report
for
the
south
chimney
I'll
upload
that,
after
this
and
the
same
thing
I'll
print
out
a
hard
copy
and
get
that
delivered
to
you.
Let's
take
a
second.
I
G
C
J
Like
logistically
chronologically,
how?
How
does
this
get
done?
Do
you
remove
the
current
lining
and
then
go
in
and
do
the
straps
and
the
interior
and
the
exterior
work,
or
are
you
doing
exterior,
while
you're
taking
down
the
interior?
I
guess
I'm
just
wondering
how
we
have
some
insuredness
that
that
outer
shell
remains
intact
and
safe.
If
we're
taking
down
the
interior
lining.
C
And
when
you
start
taking
the
weight
off,
then
all
of
a
sudden,
you
could
have
a
catastrophic
failure
and-
and,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
the
guys
at
international
chimney
were
talking
about
one
chimney
where
that
was
such
a
problem,
that
they
did
not
put
any
scaffolding
on
the
chimney.
They
actually
hung
from
baskets
to
disassemble
and
sure
enough.
C
The
thing
collapsed
while
they
were
working
on
it
and
and
and
but
everybody
was
safe,
and
so
this
the
situation
here
is
that
they
would
wrap
the
base
to
prevent
that
as
they
as
they
do.
The
disassembly
yeah
and
then
then
they
would
once
if
there
was
disassembly
the
brick
was
cleaned
out.
Then
they
could
put
the
put
the
straps
in
on
the
inside.
Do
the
reap.
C
D
B
E
C
These
guys
are
backed
up
right
now
and
and
when
they,
when
they'll,
actually
producers-
I
I
I
can't
say,
but
I
I
would
not
expect
them
to
come
within
the
next
few
days.
It
wouldn't
surprise
me
a
bit
if
they
actually
came
in
after
thanksgiving,
but
but
I
am
once
we
get
those
and
and
but
between
now
and
and
and
thanksgiving
and
now
and
christmas,
we're
going
to
be
evaluating
all
the
information
we
do
have
available.
C
B
G
J
I
mean,
I
think,
we're
going
to
have
to
meet
in
december,
but
you
know
we're
up
against
the
second
meeting
in
january
to
present
to
council.
So
I
think
as
as
soon
as
these
you
know,
final
reports
are
done.
I
think
we
need
to
meet
very
very
soon
thereafter
and
run
through
all
of
the
options
and
figure
out
what
we're
up
against.
C
C
I
And,
as
craig
said,
they're
backed
up
so
I
don't,
I
don't
want
to
push
them
into
a
corner.
I
mean
we
want
this
to
be
true
and
accurate
information
yeah,
but
but
I
would
hope
that
we
would
have
it
pretty
close
to
the
beginning
of
december.
So
we
do
have
that
holiday
next
week.
I
would
have
thought
we
would
have
had
it
by
now,
but
obviously
we
don't
so
hopefully
by
the
beginning
of
december
and
I'll
distribute
that
as
well.
A
B
So
I
would
say
about
our
meeting
schedule,
craig,
it's
a
little
more
reliant
on
you
than
on
us.
I
mean
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
sense
for
us
to
get
back
together
until
you've
had
time
to
to
get
the
full
report
and
make
some
analysis
of
it
and
come
up
with
those
updates.
So
we've
got
some
fresh
information
to
deal
with.
I
mean
if,
if
the
committee,
if
it's
the
will
of
the
committee,
we
could
get
together
again
after
both
full
reports
are
in
from
icc
just
to
review.
J
F
B
I
E
E
C
C
C
So
that's
that's.
What
the
design
wind
speed!
That's
how
the
design
wind
speed
would
be
determined
it's
technically,
it's
an
ultimate
wind
speed
of
about.
I
think
it's
147
miles
an
hour
in
the
downtown
part
of
the
city
and
now
that
changes
with
elevation
and
but
but
that's
the
basic
wind
speed,
the
seismic
we
would.
C
K
C
E
I
We
don't
craig
bennett's
office
for
the
contract
that
that
they've
been
awarded
for
the
design,
they're
working
on
a
schedule
and
they'll
be
getting
that
schedule
back
to
me,
which
I'll
share
with
this
committee
as
well
and
any
updates
as
to
what
they've
done,
but
right
now,
they're
in
an
assessment
period.
They're
assessing
the
reports
so
probably
won't
have
a
lot
to
provide
to
the
committee
at
the
next
meeting
on
his
on
his
status.
L
L
B
You
know
because
that'll
give
everybody
at
least
an
opportunity
to
look
at
it
on
their
dropbox,
not
their
lock
box
with
their
dropbox
and
and
have
a
chance
to
look
it
over
before
we
get
together.
Since
we
don't
know
exactly
when
we'll
get
those
I
hate
to
set
a
date
now,
and
then
we
don't
have
the
report
in
time
or
whatever.
Is
that?
Okay,
we
just
whenever
edmond
whenever
you
get
those
we'll
we'll
we'll
we'll
set
a
time
about
a
week
out
from
there.
Does
that
sound
suitable
to
everybody.
A
B
B
That's
right:
that's
right!
Okay,
we're,
terrific
thanks,
y'all
again
for
serving
and
craig
thank
you
for
being
with
us
today
and
edmond
your
work
on
this
and
ken
from
a
staff
point
of
view
we'll.
I
hope
everybody
has
a
great
thanksgiving,
we'll
look
for
this
report.
Edmund
will
push
them
along
and
as
soon
as
we
get
it
we'll
add
a
week
and
get
back
together
again.