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City of Charleston Committee on Ways and Means 7/18/23
A
A
A
A
And
while
we're
talking
about
changes,
there
are
a
couple
of
other
ones
that
I
think
we
need
to
be
mindful
of
I
know.
Most
of
you
got
the
July
13th
Memo
from
Matt
fountain
regarding
two
items
that
we
want
to
make
slight
amendments
to
Matt.
You
want
to
explain
it.
I
can
explain
it
from
your
in
your
text
message
once
you
come
up
in
explain
what
the
changes
are:
they're,
pretty
minor.
C
Yes,
thank
you
Sherman.
We
have
a
minor
change
on
item
12,
where
we
had
on
the
council
agenda:
the
949
thousand
nine
hundred
dollar
Professional
Services
contract
with
Hazen
and
Sawyer
for
the
MUSC
Pump
Station.
This
is
part
of
the
U.S
Army
Corps
of
engineer
funded
project
where
the
core
is
contributing
three
million
dollars
towards
the
upper
to
this
Pump
Station,
still
professional
service
contract
still
with
Hazen
and
Sawyer
very
slightly
lower
contract
amount
as
per
the
email
when
we
switched
from
a
lump
sum
approach
to
a
time
and
expense
approach
and
then
I'm.
C
Sorry,
on
14.
Thank
you.
Jennifer.
The
on
item
14,
the
approval
to
accept
the
grand
award
from
the
South
Carolina
office
of
resilience
for
Barbary
woods
from
their
asip
funding.
This
is
the
4.6
million
dollar
Grant.
We
just
replaced
appendix
D,
which
was
a
line
item
breakdown
of
project
costs
with
a
updated
version
that
was
a
slightly
clearer
breakdown
of
those
project
costs
over
very
minor
change
on
that
one.
Okay,
thank.
A
D
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
did
reach
out
to
miss
Mr
altap,
but
just
throwing
this
out
there
y'all
on
the
3B,
not
a
big
deal,
but
since
we're
purchasing
these
do
you
would
would
y'all
agree
that
putting
some
tint
on
these
trucks,
if
they
aren't
already
there
would
might
be
helpful
for
our
employees.
A
Yes,
I
am
here
any
other
questions
or
issues
with
respect
to
bids
and
purchases,
all
in
favor,
say
aye.
E
B
B
A
Moved
improperly
seconded
any
discussion
on
the
Budget
Finance
and
revenue
collections
item,
if
not
all
in
favor,
say
aye
item
six
moved
improperly.
Second,
this
is
for
the
approval
to
accept
an
award
under
the
sdps
program.
It's
something
that
we
do
annually
all
in
favor,
say:
aye,
oh
I'm!
Sorry,
I
am
so
sorry,
okay,
okay,
item,
seven,
oh
yeah,
all
in
favor
all
right
the
eyes.
Have
it
thanks?
A
A
D
You
Mr
chairman
I.
Would
gentlemen
I'd
really
like
if
we
could
take
a
look
at
the
the
arpa
funds,
not
exactly
sure
why
we
decided
to
you
know:
I,
went
back
and
watched
the
I
think
it
was
the
ad
hoc
budget
committee
I,
don't
think
a
ton
of
conversation
was
had
on
to
why
we
are.
You
know,
allocating
These
funds
right
now
to
what
we
are
I
know
I'd
like
to
have
further
discussion
on
it.
I
don't
know
how
all
of
you
feel
right
now.
D
So
we
have
four
point
four
point:
five
1.7
is
going
to
the
Beresford
Creek
Bridge,
which
understandably
is
something
we
need
to
do
why
you
know
I'm,
not
sure
if
we
have
other
funding
or
if
we've
been,
you
know
putting
money
away
for
that
until
now,
but
obviously
that
money
needs
to
be
spent
on
that,
but
the
other,
the
other
items
I'd
like
to
have
you
know
further
discussion
over
two
million
dollars.
D
Is
there
a
reason
that
the
ad
hoc
budget
committee
decided
upon
those
items?
Is
there?
Is
there
a
rush?
Is
there
a
reason?
Can
we
have
further
discussion
these
funds?
Don't
have
to
be
allocated
until
December,
24
and
spent
by
December
26th.
F
Sure
respond
kind
of
generally
speaking,
you
know
you
never
know
what
might
happen
up
in
Washington
DC
and
there
have
been
a
number
of
requests
in
the
Congress
that.
F
Funds
be
reeled
back
or
brought
back,
or
something
like
that
and
honestly,
it's
been
a
bit
a
little
bit
of
a
concern
of
mine
that
we
go
ahead
and
at
least
get
our
allocation
done,
so
that
we
have
specific
projects
lined
up
for
the
balance
of
our
funding.
Now
to
to
speak
on
the
the
individual
requests.
I'd
love
to
do
that
as
well,
because
they're
all
good
things
and
things
that
we
need
to
do
the
first
one
is
the
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
Union
Pier
reset
I.
F
Think
we
all
Concur-
and
thankfully
we
won't
be
here
all
night
tonight,
because
we
won't
have
Union
beer
on
our.
F
I'm
sorry
can
I
take
that
back.
Can
I
eat
that?
Okay,
we
may
be
here
a
while
tonight,
but
we
will.
We
won't
be
here
as
long
as
we
would
have
been.
Otherwise.
I
can
assure
you
that
right,
so
our
planning
department
needs
some
funding
to
do
that.
Comprehensive
planning
for,
for
the
make
sure
that
Union
Pier
fits
in
with
the
rest
of
the
City
Historic
District,
and
so
we
needed
some
funding
for
that.
F
The
the
Hope
Center,
as
you
may
know,
is
to
help
offer
wraparound
services
for
our
citizens
who
are
experiencing
homelessness,
are
at
risk
of
experiencing
homelessness
and
we
operate
a
center
already,
but
we
already
bought
property
to
build
a
permanent
facility
and
ls3p
God
bless
them.
They
are
donated
The
Design
Services.
They
will
soon
be
complete,
I
think
in
the
next
few
months
and
moving
toward
getting
us
a
permit.
It's
about
a
six
million
dollar
investment
and
we
raise
privately
about
half
of
the
money
through
charitable
donations.
F
F
We've
got
a
contract
already
signed
to
to
replace
the
bridge
we're
moving
forward,
and
this
completes
the
funding
for
that.
Where
I
guess
we
were
kind
of
waiting
to
know
what
the
exact
cost
of
the
bridge
would
be
so
respectfully.
These
are
all
good
things
and
the
arpa
funding
allows
us
to
complete
these
without
having
to
pull
the
funding
from
somewhere
else
and
I
and
I
did
have
that
concerned
about.
If
we
didn't
go
ahead
and
get
allocated
and
make
plans
for
it
for
the
money,
you
know
something
might
happen
to
it.
D
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
thank
you.
Mr
Mayor,
I
I
agree,
they're,
all
good
things
I
just
you
know.
Obviously
prioritizing
things
like
storm
water.
A
million
dollars
can
go
a
long
way
there
as
well,
so
we
can
allocate
it
to
other
places.
But
if
this
is
where
you
know,
I'm
I,
I
I
know,
I
I
can
feel
I.
D
Don't
have
support
to
defer
this
and
and
have
further
discussion
on
where
to
allocate
These
funds,
but
I
I
wish
that
we
had
had
a
little
a
little
more
conversation
as
far
as
where
these
funds
should
be
allocated.
So
thank
you
did.
D
Certainly,
I
think
some
should
go
to
storm
water
for
some
of
our
maintenance
needs.
You
know
that
haven't
been
met,
they're,
obviously
probably
small
projects
that
we
don't
have
funding
for
yet
or
we're
or
are
needing
funds.
You
know,
I
can't
speak
to
a
specific
project.
I
mean
I
can
give
you
a
list
of
James
Island
things
that
you
can
give
the
money
to.
E
D
Like
them
to
go
there
but
again,
I
I,
just
think
that
we
could
wiggle
that
money
spread
the
wealth
so
to
speak
and
again,
if
we're.
If,
if
that's
the
I,
understand
now
the
the
why
you're
hurrying
you
know
as
far
as
not
wanting
to
lose
those
dollars,
but
I
certainly
think
that
there
are
other
avenues
that
the
money
could
go
to.
A
G
Council
member,
thank
you
Mr
chairman,
let's
not
forget,
there's
30
million
dollars
in
arpa
funds
that
are
going
to
stormwater
projects
in
West,
Ashley,
James
Island.
G
So
it's
not
this
specific
pot
of
money,
but
certainly
significant
amount
of
funding
from
the
federal
legislation
is
going
to
storm
water
in
all
of
our
districts
and
that's
due
in
large
measure
to
some
great
work
by
our
legislative
delegation.
Our
staff
here
I,
think
you
know
Central
Park
Mason's
getting
some
funding.
G
You
know
we
read
it
off
in
a
couple
couple
meetings
ago,
some
of
the
projects
that
are
being
funded
through
that.
So
when
you
look
at
it
in
totality
I
think
some
of
those
concerns
are
addressed.
E
F
Do
believe
the
stormwater
project
would
qualify
but
to
council
member
repel's
point
I
mean
we
we
applied
through
the
state
for
our
for
funding
for
some
of
the
for
the
some
of
the
flooding
projects,
the
10
million
dollars
we
got
for
hugee
and
King
treat
was
arpa
funding
and
then,
in
addition
to
that,
thanks
to
council
member
Pell's
request
to
representative
Leon
Staffing
Atkins,
we
got
an
act
of
2
million
for
Windermere
next
2
million
for
wapu
Dupont
drainage
basin,
we're
accepting
four
million
tonight
for
John's
Island
project.
F
So
you
know
you
add
it
all
up
and
and
and
then
what
Charleston
Water
Service
got
as
well
for
for
work.
They're
doing
we
we've
been
using
a
good
bit
of
Arco
funding
from
from
other
sources
for
for
drainage.
Now
the
small
projects
I
know
it's
going
to
take
one
more
year,
but
but
every
small
project
that
we've
identified
right
now
we
we
have
including
next
year's
budget
I,
think
we're
fully
funded.
A
And
mayor
also
10
million
dollars
for
the
Eberhart
Earhart
tunnel.
H
D
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I,
understand,
gentlemen
and
I'll.
See
you
and
I'll
raise
you
streets,
sidewalks
other
improvements
that
we
could
use
those
for
as
well,
so
we
don't
have
to
just
stop
at
storm
water.
I
I
don't
want
to
get
into
who
gets
what
James
Island
West,
Ashley
Peninsula,
so
I
know
how
much
they
get
and
we're
certainly
at
the
bottom
of
those
thresholds,
but
we
don't
have
to
get
into
that
tonight.
Again.
D
I
was
just
pointing
out
that
you
know
I,
don't
think
we
we
didn't
have
to
decide
that
that
ad
hoc
budget
meeting
to
spend
the
4.5
but
y'all
did
I
just
think
there
should
have
been
further
discussion
and
I
certainly
think
that
there
are
other
projects
in
the
city
that
we
could
have
spread
the
world.
So
I'll
end
it
with
that.
Thank
you.
I
Wearing,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
Mr
meal.
I
understand
your
point,
certainly
about
using
it
or
lose
it
in
particular,
as
we
approach
here
in
the
appropriation
to
Daniel
Island,
and
some
of
the
other
ones
certainly
makes
sense.
But
how
much
does
it
really
hurt
us
to
wait
30
days
and
have
a
little
bit
more
discussion
on
that
I
mean
I
mean?
How
much
has
it
really
hurt
us,
it
really
doesn't.
I
I
would
be
an
advocate
of
that.
You
know
there
may
be
some
small
in
particular
smaller
projects
that
we
may
have
wanted
to
get
funded,
that
didn't
come
up
in
that
budget
ad
hoc
committee
meeting
so.
B
J
To
use
those
fund
funds
for
the
Beresford
Creek
Bridge
the
comprehensive
plan
we
just
reallocated
from
above-
that's
not
new
money
that
we've
allocated
with
something
that
was
approved
for
a
different
Source
before
that
we
moved
into
that.
So
that's
not
new
funding
and
then
obviously
the
James
Lewis,
like
we
said
we
had
talked
we've
been
talking
for
a
couple
of
years
about
using
the
funds
for
those
two
purposes:
The
Hope
Center
and
the
Jamesy
Lewis
incubator
site.
So
that's
why
we
allocated
the
additional
funds
to
to
those
projects.
J
I
Let
me
ask
this:
since
you:
you
got
the
totals
right
there,
obviously,
the
best
foot,
Creek
Bridge,
the
James
Lewis
and
the
navigation
Center.
What
is
that
total?
What
do
they
say.
J
E
G
I
I
A
F
I'm
happy
to
discuss
funding
for
any
project.
You
got
in
mind
I'm
seriously.
These
are
all
really
great
things
for
our
city.
To
do.
We've
been
talking
about
them
for
years
we
do
have
some
other
sources
of
income.
Tell
me
what
tell
me
what
you
need
to
find.
Let's
talk
about
it:
okay,
council,
member
Parker.
D
A
A
A
H
H
These
projects
have
really
worked
when
we
had
that
crazy
storm
last
Monday
morning,
I,
don't
know
if
you'll
remember,
because
it
really
hit
West
Ashley
hard
I
was
coming
across
the
bridge
from
Mount
Pleasant
into
downtown
about
eight
o'clock
when
they
hit
I
went
down
to
Limehouse
Street,
which
was
the
first
part
of
the
project
that
we
did
south
of
Wentworth
and
the
water
was
flowing
out
of
there
into
the
harbor
I
mean
it
was
crazy.
How
good
it
was
that
project
is
working.
H
It's
incredible
use
of
our
dollars
and
thank
you
for
your
support
for
this.
It's
made
a
huge
difference,
so
hopefully
we
will
continue
to
go
I've
seen
that
Matt
Fountain
back
there
Matt
thanks
for
all
hard
work
and
your
team
on
it.
It's
it's
made
a
big
difference,
big
difference,
I.
H
H
A
A
F
Mr
chairman,
and
just
to
mention
that
project
or
that
process,
because
there's
more
of
those
tunnels
that
need
to
be
cleaned
out
and
rehabbed,
that
we've
requested
five
million
dollars
from
the
federal
government
through
our
partnership
with
the
Corps
of
Engineers,
to
be
able
to
continue
that
work
and
I.
Just
thought.
I
would
mention
that
we
we
expect
for
them
to
look
at
that
favorably.
Thank
you
all.
K
D
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
Thank
you
for
saying
that
I
was
just
curious,
so
we're
we're
just
upping.
Do
we
have
the
contract
yet
because
I
mean
we're
we're
ultimately
upping
at
another
half
million
dollars,
so
it's
just
I
mean
the
threshold
we're
up
for,
but
we
know
it's
going
to
cost
another
half
million
dollars.
C
So
these
are
the
indefinite
delivery.
Contract
test
quarter
contracts
their
existing
contracts
under
the
previous
procurement
threshold.
They
were
not
allowed
to
be
a
maximum
allocation
of
500
000
on
a
given
calendar
year,
when
Council
adjusted
the
procurement
threshold
to
increase
that
July
of
750.
We
are
increasing
these
then
to
match
that
750
000.
Of
course,
we
can
only
spend
that
money
if
we
have
Council
allocated
budget
available
in
order
to
do
that.
Work.
Okay,.
B
K
Came
in
at
a
reasonable
price
and
they're
fairly
close.
But
if
you
think
about
that
yeah.
K
G
F
K
F
Math
is
that
the
5
million
we've
requested
from
from
the
feds
will
do
6250
feet
well
over
a
mile.
We've
spent
the
date
just
by
allocating
year
to
year
a
few
million
here,
a
few
million
there
I
think
we're
probably
up
to
four
or
five
million
now
to
date,
since
we
started
because
we've
come
a
good
mile
up
Coming
street
from
from
from
the
low
battery,
haven't
we
something
like
that
fall
apart,
we.
C
F
And
some
others,
the
tunnels
like
sections
of
a
meeting,
lower,
Meeting,
Street
and
lower
King
Street,
you
know,
have
been
functional
for
some
time.
It's
when
you
get
away
from
the
battery
that
they
need
the
rehab
and
that's
where
you
get
to
bang
for
your
buck.
It's
because
you
know
the
water
can
travel
that
disc
and
you
get
storage
added
as
well,
because
there's
a
lot
of
storage
down
there
so
anyway,
yeah
I
think
we'll
end
up
with
still
another
four
or
five
miles
to
go,
but
we're
just
eating
the
elephant.
I
E
A
Moved
and
properly
seconded
all
in
favor.
A
The
eyes
have
it
item
13.
B
H
You
Mr
chairman
and
fellow
council
members,
just
briefly,
as
you
all
are
I'm
sure
painfully
are
at
this
point:
I
I'm
very
honored,
to
serve
as
the
chairman
of
carda
with
me
today
is
Ron
Mitchum,
our
executive
director
I'm,
going
to
turn
over
to
him
for
a
couple
minutes
to
be
able
to
have
any
objection,
but
before
I
do
I,
just
I
just
want
to
let
you
know:
I
got
elected
to
this
seat,
12
13
and
a
half
years
ago
now,
and
the
first
thing
that
happened
to
me
back,
then
it
was
punishment
by
the
way,
as
I
was
appointed
to
the
cardboard
and
I
can
just
tell
you.
H
We
have
really
come
a
long
way
if
you've
looked
at
your
packet
and
looked
at
the
budget.
That's
being
presented
to
you
tonight
for
approval
is
one
of
the
member
districts
within
the
Carta
area,
our
budgets,
upwards
of
25
million
dollars,
we're
in
the
process
of
replacing
our
Fleet
from
the
oldest
Fleet
in
America
to
a
battery
electric
Fleet
that
we've
resolved
as
a
board
to
completely
replace
over
100
buses
by
2040.,
we're
going
to
meet
that
and
probably
exceed
it.
H
And
and
recently
you
may
have
read
about
this-
we've
got
got
some
pressed
because
everybody
in
the
world
took
credit
for
it.
We
got
a
26
million
dollar
grant
that
we're
going
to
use
to
rebuild
our
what
we
call
our
Intermodal
facility
to
buy
more
battery
electric
buses
and
to
team
up
with
Trident
Tech,
to
educate
people
in
the
world
of
battery
electric
technology
and
vehicle
maintenance,
so
keeping
up
with
the
things
that
are
going
to
be
happening
around.
So
it's
not
your
quiet,
General
card
anymore.
H
We
operate
on
a
balanced
budget,
we're
a
big
business.
We
just
changed
our
service
provider,
which
is
really
good
news.
We've
already
seen
some
great
Improvement
in
an
on-time
service
and
the
like
so
Mr
chairman
Belmont
I'm,
going
to
turn
over
to
Mr
Mitchum.
Just
very
briefly
for
presentation.
L
L
We
were
starting
to
see
with
our
old
contractors,
so
we
went
out
and
did
what
we
shouldn't
have
done
and
got
us
a
new
contractor
who's
focused
on
performance
so
that
the
increase
you
see
in
operation
is
primarily
related
to
increase
in
driver
pay.
Obviously
we're
just
like
everybody
else
we're
competing
for
those
CDL
drivers
on
a
daily
basis.
So
we
need
to
be
competitive
with
pay.
So
that's
primarily
what
you
see
there.
L
You
do
see
an
increase
in
capital
that
relates
to
the
construction
of
a
park
and
ride
at
the
Mount
Pleasant
Street
parcel,
which
is
next
to
Joseph,
Floyd
Manor.
So
that'll
start
occurring
this
this
fiscal
year
and
this
is
the
fiscal
year
that
begins
October,
1st,
so
we're
on
a
federal
fiscal
year,
but
we
do
have
to
receive
approval
of
our
budget
by
All
Our
member
governments,
which
is
why
you
see
me
in
July.
It
takes
me
a
little
bit
of
time
to
get
around
to
everybody.
L
I
will
point
out
that
one
thing
that
might
cause
you
some
concern
as
you
look
at,
that
is
the
loss
of
State
mass
transit
funds.
Those
are
State
funds
that
we
receive
as
part
of
the
fuel
tax.
A
quarter
of
a
penny
goes
to
to
the
dot
to
use
as
matching
funds
for
Federal
Transit
dollars,
so
our
Sheriff's.
It
goes
up
and
down
a
little
bit
depending
on
revenues
on
that
particular
funding
source,
but
was
projected
to
be
660
thousand
dollars.
We
obviously
participate
with
our
colleagues
around
the
state.
L
So
I
propose
that
we
do
a
swap
that
we
would
give
up
our
state
mass
transit
funds
which
they
could
use
in
turn
to
provide
some
of
those
agencies
to
make
their
match
and
in
turn
we
would
get
two
federal
dollars
for
every
one
of
those
State
dollars
we
gave
up
which
we
could
then
turn
match
with
our
state,
our
local
sales
tax.
So
instead
of
660
000
we'll
get
1.3
million
dollars,
so
we
felt
like
that
was
a
pretty
good
deal
and
we'll
get
that
over
a
three-year
period.
L
So
so
the
fact
that
that
went
down
don't
don't
be
concerned
because
we're
actually
going
to
see
a
boost
back
into
the
budget.
The
budget
will
get
adjusted
and
being
transparent
because
that
26
million
dollar
announcement
that
the
chairman
mentioned
is
not
reflective.
Business
budget
was
approved
before
that
announcement
came
from
the
feds,
so
you
won't
see
all
of
it.
Obviously,
in
one
year,
it'll
take
us
a
little
while
to
finish
the
design
and
do
the
construction
Etc,
but
obviously
we'll
build
some
of
that
back
into
the
budget
to
cover
the
expenses
that
occur.
L
One
other
thing
I
want
to
point
out
to
you
while
I'm
here
is.
We
are
in
the
middle
of
doing
a
peninsula
study.
Looking
at
the
service
we
provide
on
the
peninsula.
Obviously
you
have
a
lot
of
new
development,
a
lot
of
new
residential
and
commercial
stuff
going
on
that
we're
not
currently
serving.
We
understand
recognize
that,
so
what
we
wanted
to
do
was
take
a
look
at
that:
try
to
figure
out
how
we
could
better
serve
that
with
our
existing
Service
as
well
as
expanding
service.
L
L
The
last
thing
I
would
point
out
is
we
we
are
in
the
middle
of
rebranding,
Carta,
moving
away
from
the
old
dark,
green
and
gold,
sometimes
yellow
Circle,
C
and
some
brighter
colors,
and
that
was
primarily
something
we
were
doing
in
response
to
something
that
the
drivers
and
the
passenger
can
ask
for
a
lot
of
those
dark.
Green
signs,
particularly
in
the
Suburban
areas,
tend
to
bleed
in
with
the
trees,
and
so
occasionally
drivers
were
missing
people
because
they
didn't
see
them
standing
there.
L
Missed
them
completely,
so
they
wanted
something
a
little
bit
more
vibrant.
That
would
keep
them
focused
on
the
fact
that
they've
stopped
approaching
and
to
make
sure
that
they
made
sure
to
get
somebody
if
they're
there,
plus
it's
just
sort
of
time
to
refresh
that
brand.
So
it's
what
we
call
sort
of
a
slow
low
rollout
and
we're
doing
that
so
that
we
can
do
it
as
efficiently
as
possible.
L
When
it
comes
to
money,
we
could
have
obviously
went
out
and
spent
a
ton
of
money
and
changed
everything
overnight,
but
that
would
have
cost
us
a
lot
money
and
that's
just
not
how
we
operate
these
days.
So
you'll
start
to
see
that
transition
on
the
vehicles
on
the
signage,
on
everything
that
we
do
you'll
start
to
see
those
those
new
colors.
So
we'll.
L
Probably
over
a
million
dollars
a
year,
roughly
yeah,
it's
a
little
it's
a
little
much
for
me
someday
so
I
figure.
We,
you
know,
we've
got
every
lawyer
in
town
represented
and
it
is
a
little
bit
of
a
concern.
Every
time
we
have
an
accident,
I
feel
like
people
just
say.
Well,
let
me
call
George,
even
if
it's
not
our
fault,
so
it
you
know,
but
it
is
a
good
Revenue
source
and
you
know
the
board
chooses
to
do
something
different.
Obviously
we
would
do
that,
but
and.
L
Sir,
yes,
sir,
we
do
have
advertising
on
the
inside,
so
we
have
smaller
scale
stuff.
Chairman
mentioned
earlier
in
transportation
committee,
we
were
doing
something
with
the
city
police
department
about
heads
up,
which
is
pedestrian
awareness,
so
some
of
that's
inside
the
buses.
So
that's
a
little
bit
less
of
a
call,
but
yeah
I
I,
the
the
law
firms
are,
are
competing
heavily
so
that
bus
space
these
days,
I
can't
say
I'm
excited
about
that
I'd
like
to
see
some
other
stuff,
and
we
do
have
a
few.
L
H
Just
really
quickly,
Mr
chairman,
we
do
by
the
way,
have
one
of
our
buses
completely
wrapped
with
heads
up
on
the
outside.
Yes,
and
just
so
your
committee
knows
and
Council
knows,
we
have
a
long-term
mou
between
Carter
and
the
city,
the
fund,
the
downtown
shuttle
that
you
get
on
and
off
for
free,
but
we
still
have
to
allocate
the
monies
every
year
so
part
of
what
this
approval
is
allocating
those
monies
for
the
dash
System
downtown.
What.
M
L
A
G
N
A
I
hear
a
second
I
I
think
councilman
warehouse.
Thank.
I
You
all
I
all
items
I
think
we
probably
need
to
take
one
separately,
which
created
a
good
bit
of
debate,
and
that
was
the
property
off
of
bees.
Ferry
Road
item
item
C,
so
all
other
items
passed
unanimous
and
I've
moved
approval
for
all
other
items.
Other
items
except
C
and.
N
E
A
Through
I,
with
the
exception
of
C,
and
that's
it
and
all
the
annexations
and
the
and
and
the
annexation
annexations
as
well
and
two
were
deferred
three
and
six
right.
Okay,
all
right
do
I,
hear
a
motion
moved
improperly
seconded
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye,
the
eyes
have
it
now,
let's
get
back
to
C,
okay,.
I
A
E
P
Good
afternoon,
so
what
is
before
you
as
indicated
item
C
on
the
real
estate
committee,
is
the
acquisition
of
17
acres
of
land
on
verdier
Street
in
the
West
Ashley
Community
14,
a
little
over
14
of
that
is
14.593
is
High
Acres.
So
what
we
requested
of
the
real
estate
committee
is
to
allow
for
the
purchase
of
that
property
for
the
development
of
both
affordable
and
Workforce
housing
in
the
City
of
Charleston.
P
One
of
the
things
that
we
looked
at
in
response
to
some
of
the
concerns
raised
by
a
council
member
shealy
in
particular
for
this
site,
the
conversion
of
the
site
from
commercial
to
residential,
would
reduce
traffic
concerns
by
25
percent.
That
came
from
an
expert,
an
engineer
not
directly
from
me.
The
property
is
not
next
door
to
the
landfill.
It
is
about
a
mile
and
a
quarter
away
and
Christopher
Morgan,
who
is
our
planning
manager,
will
share
some
other
schematics
and
information.
He
has
to
give
you
a
better
visual
of
that.
P
This
property
is
certainly
located
close
to
a
number
of
amenities
which
makes
it
a
viable
location
for
folks
who
want
to
live
in
the
West
Ashley
community.
In
addition
to
that,
and
we
do
I'll
wait
until
Christopher
brings
up
his
docs,
but
there
will
also
be
close
to
this
particular
site,
I
believe
on
the
corner,
the
buyer.
The
the
seller
would
like
to.
A
Q
So
this
is
the
engineers
conceptual
layout.
This
is
a
first
blush
layout
of
the
site.
Bees
Ferry
Road
is
the
road
running
left
to
right
and
the
road
that
goes
to
development
to
the
rear
is
in
the
middle
and
then
there's
another
road
up
the
upper
right
corner.
That
comes
to
the
signal
that
that's
at
Sanders
Road
there,
and
then
you
see
some
of
the
other
development
to
the
rear,
Beyond
some
Marsh
area
there.
Q
Q
It
also
connects
with
what
will
be
future
sidewalks
that
leave
down
Sanders
to
the
schools
off
Sanders
Road,
the
West
Ashley
High
School,
the
Middle
School,
the
library.
You
also
have
two
grocery
stores
within
a
mile.
You
have
bus
routes
within
a
mile
things
like
that.
The
question
about
the
landfill
we
did
do
a
measurement
through
our
GIS.
The
closest
any
of
the
units
would
be
to
any
part
of
the
active
landfill
is
1800
feet
and
there
are
hundreds
of
units
to
the
Northwest
that
are
much
closer
to
the
landfill
than
that.
Q
P
And
so
the
other
concern
and
I
don't
have
an
answer
to
address
this
concern
that
was
brought
forward
in
the
real
estate
committee
meeting
is
that
this
property
is
in
the
church.
Creek
creek,
TIF
district
I
did
ask
our
finance
department,
but
it
was
very
late
in
the
day
when
I
asked
that
question
regarding
how
much
money
is
in
that
Tif
to
date,
we
don't
have
an
answer
for
that,
but
hopefully
this
one
site
would
not
adversely
impact
the
ability
of
that
Tif
to
accumulate
the
dollars.
P
O
Thank
you,
I
I
did
a
lot
of
due
diligence
today
spent
most
of
my
day
doing
that,
after
being
challenged
by
staff
to
make
sure
that
my
comments
in
the
real
estate
committee
meeting
were
correct,
although
I
was
told
they
were
not
correct.
So
let
me
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
that.
First
of
all,
Gianna
says
I'm.
Sorry,
Michelle
Johnson
said
that
she
reached
out
to
council
members
in
West.
Ashley
I
was
reached
out
to
just
before
the
agenda
went
out
on
Wednesday.
O
Well,
it
was
Wednesday
morning
I,
guess
that
I
was
reached
out
to
that's
the
first
I'd
heard
of
heard
of
this.
Before
it
came
on
our
agenda.
This
property,
as
you
can
see,
is
very
close
to
the
Charleston
County
landfill.
When
I
used
a
Google
map,
the
1800,
that's
not
it!
If
you
go
to
the
closest
point,
it's
about
1500,
but
it's
still
it's
it's
a
pretty
close
proximity,
much
closer
than
a
mile
and
a
half
that
are
staff
tried
to
convince.
It
was
a
mile
and
a
half
to
two
miles
away.
O
There
have
been
multiple
complaints
this
year,
you
may
have
seen
it
on
the
news,
but
there's
been
multiple
complaints
about
littering
of
trash
and
yards
garbage,
Wastewater
runoff
into
yards
and
damage
to
property
and
damage
to
cars.
Due
to
that
landfill
DHEC
gave
that
landfill
a
failing
grade
earlier
this
year,
so
I
called
DHEC
this
morning
as
part
of
my
due
diligence,
I
talked
to
Miss
Boswell
this
morning.
O
She
let
me
know
because
because
I
was
told
Mr
Morgan
said
well,
it's
only
the
people
right
up
next
to
the
landfill
that
are
making
these
complaints.
I
said
so.
I
I
told
her
that
I
asked
her
and
she
said
well.
She
said
those
complaints
were
coming
mostly
from
the
bees
Landing
neighborhood,
which
is
not
that
same
neighborhood
and
they
are
near
and
around
our
bees
Landing
recreation
facility.
O
So
you
can
see
back
on
that
map
that
that
is
about
a
month.
In
fact,
we
have
it
listed
as
a
mile
away
where
the
bees,
land
and
recreation
facility
is
about
a
mile
from
here.
So
most
of
those
complaints
are
much
further
than
this
site
is
so
what's
happening.
Is
you've
got
birds
like
turkey,
vultures,
seagulls,
Hawks
and
bald
eagles?
She
said
that
are
taking
stuff
off
this
landfill
and
and
dumping
it
in
people's
yards
on
people's
properties.
O
So,
since
we
had
mentioned
our
Recreation
site,
I
picked
up
as
soon
as
I
hung
up
with
DHEC
I
called
I
called
Laura
Yarbrough,
our
you
know
our
Recreation
director
and
I
said.
If
we
had
issues
with
this
and
she
said,
councilman
shealy
you're,
going
to
see
soon
on
your
Ways
and
Means
Committee
that
we're
going
to
need
to
replace
our
scoreboards
in
our
at
bees
Landing,
because
the
vultures
have
torn
up
our
scoreboards
and
we've
got
to
buy
new
scoreboards.
O
She
also
described
some
of
you
that
been
around
baseball
know
that
there's
a
room
around
the
Outfield
fence,
a
plastic
Rim
that
goes
around
we're
gonna
have
to
replace
those
too,
because
the
vultures
have
have
torn
that
up.
So
you
know
looking
back.
Had
we
known
this?
Would
we
have
bought
a
property
that
close
to
the
landfill?
It's
just
a
question:
I,
don't
know.
Was
it
a
smart
purchase?
I,
don't
know,
I
love
that
part.
It's
an
awesome.
It's
an
awesome
part
but
I'm
not
sure
that
we'd
have
purchased
that
property.
O
Had
we
known,
we
were
going
to
have
the
issues,
but
miss
Yarborough
told
me
that
there
are.
She
estimates
that
there
may
have
been
as
many
as
700
vultures
on
our
playgrounds
on
that
playground
on
any
given
day
that
it
was
that
many
it
was
that
huge
of
a
problem
to
our
parks,
so
I
also
called
Charleston
County
attorney
Natalie
Hamm,
because
staff
had
told
me
that
Charleston
County
was
going
to
also
have
a
development.
They
are
close
to
this
landfill
and
she
said
well
I've
worked
here
for
two
years.
O
It
would
be
a
very
big
surprise
to
me,
but
they
would
certainly
run
that
through
me.
Let
me
get
back
with
you.
She
checked
with
several
people
with
within
their
real
estate.
There
are
no
plans
and
will
not
be
any
plans
to
purchase
any
property
around
this
any
around
this
area.
I
spoke
with
some
other
people
at
the
county.
O
A
gentleman
named
Nathan
Haynes
that
helps
manage
the
landfill
and
I
asked
him
about
that
same
property
adjacent,
and
he
said
well
that
property
he
said
he
said:
there's
been
discussions
with
people
about
this
private
discussions
with
private
people
about
that
he
said
the
problem
is
when
we
have
storm
water.
We
have
bad
storms,
that's
where
our
storm
water
runs
off
and
you
certainly
wouldn't
want
to
build
on
that
site.
So
I
said
well.
How
would
this
affect
the
sites
that
we're
talking
about?
O
He
said
well,
if
you're
going
to
build
there,
you
better
build
it.
High
was
his
was
his
response,
so
there's
the
landfill
issue.
We
also
know
that
there's
a
church,
Creek
Tiff
issue,
you
know
if
we
buy
this
land,
we're
going
to
spend
five
over
five
million
dollars
and
we're
going
to
take
away
funding
to
improve
Church
Creek,
which
is
as
bad
a
situation
as
there
is
anywhere
in
the
City
of
Charleston.
When
it
comes
to
flooding,
people
live
in
church
Creek
Basin
have
been
flooded
up
to
three
times.
O
They
will
flood
again
when
the
next
storm
comes,
and
we
already
know
it.
We've
we've
taken
very
little
action
with.
They
said
it
was
going
to
cost
us
44
million
dollars
to
do
it.
That's
why
we
created
this
Tiff
was
because
it
was
going
to
cost
44
million.
When
we
talked
about
this
Tiff,
we
talked
about
commercial
development
along
bees,
Ferry
Road,
those
Tif
dollars,
councilman
Bowden,
is
represents.
That
area
as
well
are
extremely
important
to
our
constituents.
We
need
those
tax
dollars.
O
O
We
should
encourage
the
ReUse
of
vacant
sites
with
a
complete
mix
of
uses,
including
workspaces.
That's
what
the
original
PUD
on
this
does.
It
says
that
84
percent
of
employed
residents
in
West
Ashley
Drive
elsewhere,
to
go
to
work,
causing
traffic
issues,
and
it
also
states
that
there
are
no
Community
scale,
retail
and
services
in
outer
West
Ashley.
We
do
have
a
few
now,
we've
got
the
we've
got
the
Harris
Teeter
there,
but
it's
certainly
not
serving
the
party.
You
walk
into
Harris
Teeter
you're
going
to
stand
in
line
it
there's
a
huge
demand.
O
O
Yeah.
It's
just
not
a
it's,
not
a
good
purchase.
I
I'm,
a
I'm,
a
proponent
for
affordable
housing.
I
know
it's
needed.
This
is
a
bad
purchase.
It's
a
bad
location
to
be
in
so
I'm
going
to
vote,
no
against
I
hope
that
all
of
you
will
vote.
No.
Thank
you.
A
P
K
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman
I
made
a
mistake
yesterday
in
real
estate,
we
haven't
seen
the
appraisal
for
this,
so
I
would
like
to
see
an
appraisal
before
we
move
this
forward.
I
think
that's
part
of
our
due
diligence,
so
I
moved
for
a
deferral
until
we
can
look
at
this
appraisal.
I.
P
Million
250
000
very
tight
timeline,
because
there
is
a
putt
amendment
that
would
be
required
with
this.
If
I'd
known,
Council
needed
to
actually
see
the
appraisal,
I
would
have
included
it
glad
to
run
and
make
copies
so
that
we
can
address
this
accordingly.
Thank
you.
K
A
It
was
there
a
second
okay,
and
deferral
takes
yes,
councilmember
Brady.
R
Yes,
thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
this
is
in
my
district
I've,
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
constituents.
I
was
actually
going
to
read
yeah.
R
Right,
that's
right,
but
I
was
going
to
read.
This
is
an
actual
conversation
that
I
had
today.
Are
they
actually
planning
on
building
some
low-cost
housing
apartments
right
off
Sanders
and
bees
Ferry?
We
would
be
against
this.
Would
we,
if
not
what's
even
the
benefit,
and
so
I
explained
as
that
property
is
currently
zoned,
and
this
is
kind
of
gets
into
the
traffic
argument?
A
private
developer
could
put
280
housing
units
on
that
property
right
now,
20
units
an
acre.
R
So
the
traffic
argument
is
somewhat
disingenuous
here
because
by
us
purchasing
it
we're
going
to
drop
the
number
of
units
down
by
almost
160
for
what
could
be
done
there
and
so
I
said.
The
city's
plan
is
to
buy
the
property
and
put
124,
affordable
and
attainable
Town
Homes,
some
for
rent
and
some
for
purchase
along
with-
and
we
talked
about
this
in
real
estate,
which
was
not
mentioned
earlier
with
a
commercial
aspect.
Probably
a
small
strip
center
I
think
coffee
shop
cleaners,
wine
bars
something
like
that.
R
That
would
go
along
there
on
verdier
Boulevard.
My
dad
lives
in
the
apartments
The
Avenues
that
were
deer
I
would
never
want
to
put
anything
there.
That
would,
you
know,
necessarily
contribute
to
a
downgrade
in
the
quality
of
life
there
and
I.
Don't
think
that
this
does
as
bees
Ferry
has
been
attracting
more
commercial
activity,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
people
working
in
kind
of
the
lower
tier,
professional
jobs
and
hospitality
jobs
can
live
where
they
work,
which
actually
helps
to
reduce
traffic
as
we're
seeing
in
a
commercial
corridor.
R
If
you
look
at
the
adjusted
median
income
for
the
area
and
what
we're
looking
for
on
this
property,
the
lowest
in,
would
be
about
thirty
six
thousand
dollars,
which
the
immediate
thing
for
a
single
earner
that
popped
into
my
mind
was
a
teacher
right.
That's
about
what
an
entry-level
teacher
makes.
We
have
plenty
of
schools
in
this
area
in
West
Ashley.
R
It
would
make
sense
that,
instead
of
having
to
live
out
in
Somerville
or
Lansing,
we
would
have
them
live
near
the
schools
near
Drayton
Hall
near
Stone,
Oak
Park
near
West,
Ashley
high
school
near
C
Williams.
We
would
want
them
to
be
able
to
live
near
where
they
work
and
then
on
the
high
end
of
it.
It
would
be
about
eighty
thousand
dollars
so
think
of
for
a
single
earner.
R
If
you
look
at
a
mortgage,
would
normally
be
you
qualify
for
three
times
your
salary
give
or
take
suddenly
about
two
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollars.
Well,
there's
not
a
house
available
in
that
area
for
two
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollars,
as
we've
seen
from
the
median
price
of
homes
in
the
area,
so
even
a
worker
who
earns
what
we
consider
good
money
can't
qualify
for
a
house.
So
this
is
giving
them
the
opportunity
for
an
attached
single
or
attached
multi-family
in
a
townhouse.
R
They
can
get
a
start,
get
a
leg
up
and
then
be
able
to
move
on
into
some
of
the
other
neighborhoods
in
the
area
and
I
would
add,
with
the
commercial
Corridor,
the
county
has
plans
for
or
they're
developing
or
there's
a
development
going
in
overall
Hunt
Club
run
in
the
county
and
I
mentioned
it
during
real
estate.
There's
going
to
be
Medical,
Offices,
there's
going
to
be
a
kicking
chicken
going
in
there,
which
everyone
was
really
excited
about
when
that
got
announced
by
the
news.
R
But
those
folks
need
a
place
to
live
too
and
if
you
think
of
what
a
bartender
earns,
what
a
server
can
earn,
they
would
be
able
to
qualify
for
these
as
well.
So
the
benefit
that
you
get
was
what
I
was
telling.
This
constituent
is
that
you
get
some
Workforce
housing
and
a
growing
commercial
Corridor,
some
commercial
development
on
that
site,
rather
than
just
purely
residential,
and
also
you
reduce
the
amount
of
units
that
could
otherwise
be
built.
R
So,
in
my
mind,
it's
a
win-win
all
the
way
around
for
that
area
and
it's
putting
it
there's
a
car
to
stop
up
by
the
Walmart.
You
have
access
to
the
library.
You
have
the
multi-use
path
that
runs
down,
Beast
Ferry
as
Mr
Morgan
mentioned
so
the
actual
location.
Here,
as
you
can
see,
it's
close
to
a
lot
of
amenities,
which
is
where
we
would
want
affordable
housing.
R
We
don't
want
to
put
it
where
people
automatically
have
to
drive
5
10
15
miles
to
access
services
to
go
to
the
grocery
store
to
go
to
the
library
to
drop
a
kid
off
at
school.
It
makes
sense
that
in
this
area,
you
would
put
that
there
and
I
think
as
I
said,
dropping
the
number
of
units
compared
to
what
could
be
built
by
right
by
the
private
sector.
There
actually
will
reduce
the
burden,
especially
traffic,
wise
for
this
Corridor.
So
thank
you,
Mr
chairman
no.
A
Problem
any
other
discussions,
there's
a
motion
to
defer
on
the
boy.
Yes,
council,
member.
B
D
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
just
quickly,
so
we're
dropping
the
number
of
units.
I
mean
I
mean
that's
great,
but
why
I
mean
we're
purchasing
land
for
the
City
of
Charleston
to
make
Workforce
housing
and
we're
going
to
build
less
units
than
are
allowed
I'd
like
to
know
I
mean
if
it
makes
money,
it
makes
sense,
I,
don't
what
are
we
doing?
You.
P
Yeah
so
councilmember
Parker,
the
original,
the
initial
schematic
that
was
prepared
for
us
by
our
engineering
firm
indicated,
based
on
what
we
typically
do
in
affordable
housing
124
units.
We
may
find
that
there
is
more,
but
we
know
what
the
types
of
funding
that
is
typically
used
for
affordable
housing,
those
numbers
fit
with
that
scheme,
and
so
again
it
would
help
to
meet
that
need.
Although
it's
not
going
to
address
that
need
in
its
entirety,
it
does
get
us
a
little
bit
further
down
the
ball
field.
If
you
will.
P
Literally,
she
did
this
in
about
a
week's
time,
because
for
me
it
was
wanting
to
make
sure
in
presenting
this
to
you
all.
We
could
literally
validate
the
per
unit
cost
if
we
were
paying
5.1
million
dollars
and-
and
it
literally
validates
at
124.
as
we
study
this
more,
we
would
certainly
look
at
whether
we
could
increase
it,
but
we
limited
what
they
would
do
until
we
do.
P
We
were
going
to
buy
it
because
we
don't
want
to
spend
money
on
pre-development
costs
until
we
know
we're
actually
going
to
acquire
it
and
so
part
of
our
due
diligence.
Beyond
council's
approval
would
be
to
further
study
the
site.
Get
the
putt
Amendment
started
to
look
at
a
Geotech
to
also
pull
a
phase
one,
because
if
those
items
don't
pan
out,
we
would
literally
have
to
move
away
from
this
site
anyway.
But
this
is
one
of
the
first
steps
that
we
take
to
facilitate
acquisition.
P
Sir,
so,
typically
with
your
rental
now
you're
looking
at
up
to
80
percent,
because
the
state
Housing,
Finance
and
development
organization
who
administers
tax
credits,
allows
you
to
do
income
averaging,
which
means
you
have
a
mixed,
50,
60
70,
80
percent
thresholds
in
the
rental
development
in
the
for
sale.
We
would
go
to
persons
of
the
120
Ami
range
for
those
first-time
homebuyer
opportunities
and.
A
Isn't
there
a
Tipping
Point
in
terms
of
affordable
units
versus
market
rate
units
that,
if
you
have
a
certain
number
of
affordable
units
that
can
affect
the
marketability
of
the
market
rate,
our
home
ownership
units.
A
Give
an
example
I
think
generally,
if
a
complex
exceeds
let's
say:
40
percent
lower
income-
that's
oftentimes
considered
the
Tipping
Point,
which
would
then
affect
the
other
units
that
might
be
marked.
P
F
Mayor,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
I
I.
Do
want
to
just
note
that
part
of
the
discussion
here
belies
the
fact
that
the
availability
of
properties
for
affordable
housing
development-
it's
pretty
Limited
in
the
city.
This
is
a
property
we
brought
to
you.
A
bridge
commercial
has
been
working
for
us
for
how
long
a
year,
they've
they've
been
a
lot
of
properties.
F
We
haven't
brought
to
you
because
I
think
you
all
know
the
real
estate
market
well
enough
to
know
that
there's
not
an
abundance
of
available
properties
out
there
that
make
sense
for
this
style
of
development.
I
I
believe
this
is
one
of
them.
F
I
hear
councilmember
Sheely
loud
and
clear
and
I
would
like,
during
our
due
diligence
period,
to
to
drill
down
a
little
further
about
the
birds
and
the
wildlife
and
the
area
I've
seen
the
vultures
out
at
the
park
out
there,
they're
they're,
real
I,
walked
the
property
and
drove
all
around
it
myself,
there's
a
single
family
residential
being
developed,
literally
right,
all
behind
it
that
whole
line
behind
it
and
where
you
see
that
red
dotted
line
so
so
I
I
didn't
notice
anything
out
of
the
ordinary
when
when
I
was
over
there,
we
could
certainly
study
that
further
during
the
due
diligence
about
the
density.
F
You
know
we
do
want
to
have
that
mixture
of
for
sale
product
in
addition
to
rental.
So
you
can
get
more
density
if
you
pack
three
or
four
story
apartment
buildings
as
opposed
to
having
townhouses
that
you're
selling
for
home
ownership,
so
that
that
does
have
a
little
impact
on
the
amount
of
product
that
you
could
develop
on
it
and
I
I
did
want
to
point
out
to
everyone
that
for
what
it's
worth
there,
there
is
like
a
little
buffer
between
bees,
Ferry
Road
and
the
residential
portion
of
the
property.
F
There's
the
the
bike
sidewalk
facility,
as
Mr
Morgan
mentioned,
and
then
there
is
a
power
easement
that
kind
of
runs
parallel
to
bees,
Ferry
Road.
F
Have
a
buffer
from
bees,
Ferry
Road
to
where
the
units
would
be,
and
then,
as
I
mentioned,
you
can
see
just
kind
of
lightly
drawn
in
here.
They're
single
family
lots
built
all
along
the
back
of
the
property,
so
it
it.
Certainly
that
is
in
keeping
with
the
the
neighboring
property
and
I
do
think.
F
It's
important,
as
I
mentioned
yesterday
at
the
meeting
that
some
commercial
development
of
occur
on
verdier
Drive,
particularly
this
parcel
right
up
close
to
the
light
at
verdier
and
and
bees
Ferry,
which,
right
across
from
there
is
where
Sanders
Road
is
so
I
would
respectfully
I
know
the
question
on
the
floor.
Right
now
is
defer
and
if
we
do
defer,
then
then
we
can
drill
down
on
all
this
information
a
little
more
and
bring
it
back
to
you.
F
If,
if
we
were
to
move
forward,
it
is
just
a
matter
of
going
into
due
diligence
at
this
point
and
I'd
be
happy
to
offer
to
council
that
we'd.
If
y'all
would
like
to
are
willing
to
proceed,
that
we
do
our
due
diligence
and
come
back
to
you
one
more
time
to
ask
for
before.
We
actually
have
a
closing
on
the
property
and
go
hard
on
the
contract.
Okay,.
A
M
Just
just
really
quick,
especially
if
it's
going
to
come
back
in
front
of
us
I,
want
to
I,
want
to
make
sure
I'm
getting
some
questions
answered,
so
we
can
potentially
add
some
residential
units.
That's
great.
What
about?
M
If
we,
you
know,
build
this
out,
and
it's
going
even
better
than
we.
We
hoped
we've
got
a
little
extra
room
out
there.
Could
we
add
commercial
space,
but
could
we
sell
a
portion
of
this
and
ADD
commercial
space.
Q
If
I
could
add
so
the
Pod
Amendment
would
be
coming
to
you
also
assuming.
If,
if
this
is
approved
tonight,
it
would
be
going
to
our
Planning
Commission
in
August.
It
would
be
coming
to
you
in
September,
where
all
those
kind
of
details
will
be
worked
out.
The
one
thing
about
you
know
when
you
do
put
in
commercial.
Of
course
it
requires
a
good
bit
of
parking,
and
things
like
that,
so
you
know
there
has
to
be
a
balance,
but
you
know
that's
certainly
something
we
could
look
at
during
that
photo
amendment
process.
M
Okay
and
then
the
only
other
thing
is
I'd
be
interested
to
know
when
when
we
come
back
kind
of
like
that's,
what's
going
to
happen
here,
if
you
know
we,
if
we
go
through
with
the
the
zoning
rewrite
that
we've
talked
about,
what
will
this
area
be
in
the
future?
M
Is
this
going
to
be
because
I've
heard
the
flooding
concerns?
Obviously
that's
you
know
anytime.
We
mention
something,
not
our
West
Ashley,
that's
going
to
be
my
chief
concern
so
just
like,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
information
about
that
sure
and.
Q
And
so
because
of
the
elevation,
that's
on
this
site
it!
Actually
it's
it's
as
Miss
Johnson
was
saying
it
is
in
the
X
zone
and
it's
not
in
our
comprehensive
plans,
low
impact
and
conserved
areas.
There
are
lots
of
areas
in
these
fairy.
There
are
lots
of
them,
but
this
area
is
not,
and
so
it
is
in
what
we
call
our
neighborhood
Edge,
which
allows
for
up
to
20
units.
An
acre
what's
being
proposed
here
is
about
nine
unit
sneaker.
That
kind
of
thing.
K
I
I've
voted
against
this
and
planning
for
for
a
number
of
reasons
and
we're
going
to
defer
it.
So
I
won't
go
into
all
those
reasons.
I'm
gonna
support
the
deferral,
but
what
I
would
ask
for
councilman
Brady
brought
up
a
good
point.
You
know:
School
teachers
I
saw
a
list
of
properties
that
realtors
association
had
that's
owned
by
Charleston
County
School
District,
five,
six
acre
tracks
that
would
be
good
for
affordable
housing.
I
I
think
we
should
look
into
partnering
with
the
Charleston
County
School
District
on
lands,
that's
already
owned
by
taxpayers,
called
possible,
affordable
housing.
They
have
a
number
of
locations
around,
in
particular
Charleston
County,
City
of
Charleston,
so
I'm
in
some
out
and
as
far
as
properties
being
out.
Does
anybody
know
where
the
the
largest
affordable
housing
development
is
in
the
town
of
Mount
Pleasant.
E
I
Owned
it
about
40
years
on
Bank
Street
on
Bank,
Street,
okay,
so
in
the
town
of
Mount,
Pleasant
off
of
Coleman
Boulevard,
very
nice
complex,
so
the
City
of
Charleston
Housing
Authority
has
led
affordable
housing
for
decades
in
Mount
Pleasant,
so
that
complex
actually
isn't
in
the
city
of
Charleston.
So
why
not
partner
with
Charleston
County
school
districts,
not
only
on
one
side,
but
a
number
of
sites,
5
million
instead
of
going
towards
the
land,
could
go
towards
construction
and
development.
A
second
entity
that
owns
a
number
of
parcels
is
Charleston.
I
County
Charleston
County
owns
a
number
of
Apostles,
that's
available
with
agreement,
of
course,
with
partnership.
Doing
all
these
things
in
silos
makes
it
more
difficult
to
be
able
to
do
it.
Land
costs
is
somewhere
between
15
and
20
percent
in
any
development
depending
on
location.
The
male
knows
that
he's
a
commercial
real
Chad
Hart.
If
we
can
eliminate
some
of
the
most
successful,
affordable
housing
developments
that
we
have
in
this
city,
Williams
Terrace
Canterbury
house,
the
land
cost
was
free.
I
We
have
this
process
where
we
had
one
realtor
that
was
looking
for
land
for
us,
so
we
left
that
Realtor
and
now
we
would
Bridge
commercial
I
mean
I.
Just
think
we
ought
to
open
that
up
to
thousands
of
Realtors
if
they
knew
we
were
looking
for
affordable
housing.
Why
don't?
We
have
an
RFQ?
Let's
involve
the
the
Realtor
Association.
This
I
understand
the
cost
of
land,
but
we
are
not
casting
our
net
wide
enough
to
secure
Properties.
By
the
time
we
paid
5.1
a
million
for
this
property.
I
You
know
our
piggy
bank
is
going
to
be
severely
depleted.
We
also
have
a
few
million
left,
but
not
a
whole
bunch,
so
I
think.
If
we're
going
to
defer
this,
let's
also
get
some
other
suggestions
in
the
mix
we
got.
We
meet
once
a
month,
so
we
got
30
D's
to
get
some
other
suggestions
in
the
mix
from
County
Council
as
far
as
lands
owned
by
them
from
the
school
district
as
far
as
lands
owned
by
them.
So
that's
my
comments
but
I'm
going
to
support
the
deferral
right.
A
I
think
on
the
ladder
I
think
we
had
already
discussed,
trying
to
identify
land
that
the
school
owns
and
to
try
to
get
them
like
other
cities
are
doing
to
also
get
into
affordable
housing,
business
for
teachers,
etc,
etc.
So,
I
agree
with
you,
I
think,
that's
something
that
we
need
to
really
mayor
start
talking
a
little
more
directly
with
the
school
board
to
see
whether
or
not
they
would
sort
of
mimic
ideas
that
are
going
on
all
across
the
country.
A
K
Counseling,
thank
you.
Mr,
chairman
yeah.
Look
I
I
have
a
great
concern
about
locating
this
development
as
close
as
it
as
it
is
to
a
landfill.
Just
because
there's
another
development
going
very
close
to
the
Charleston
County
landfill
doesn't
make.
It
doesn't
mean
that
we
should
also
do
the
same
thing.
K
I
I,
work
on
landfills
for
a
living
and
they're,
not
nice
places
and
that
landfill
is
is
councilman.
Sheely
mentioned
is
a
really
bad.
One.
I
just
have
great
concern
that
that
you
know
putting
affordable
housing.
There
is
going
to
result
in
a
lot
of
unhappy
residents
and
I.
Think
we
can
do
do
better
for
those
that
that
need
the
supportable
housing.
A
P
Gianna
sure
thank
you
and
so
councilmember
wearing.
We
do
not
work
in
silos.
We
I
have
a
direct
line
to
Jeff
barowe,
who
is
the
CEO
at
the
school
district.
We've
had
many
conversations
more
recently
about
properties
that
they
own,
as
well
as
with
Christine
Durant,
who
is
the
Deputy
County
Manager
regarding
properties
they
own.
In
fact,
I
sat
on
their
Review
Committee
for
their
arpa
funds
and
they
are
looking
at
strategies
right
now.
They
have
18
sites
that
me
and
my
team
visited
a
few
weeks
ago.
P
Most
of
those
are
in
the
county,
only
one
or
two
were
in
the
city,
but
we
are
consistently
in
addition
to
looking
for
larger
tracks
of
land
are
also
doing
infill
opportunities,
we're
working
with
Charleston
Habitat
to
build
three
units
on
Harriet.
We
are
working
with
the
Charleston
Redevelopment
Corporation
as
well
to
build
two
more
Eastside,
two
more
West
Side,
so
we're
actually
facilitating
that
and
I
can
bring
to
counsel.
P
If
you
desire
the
the
list
of
properties
that
the
bridge
commercial
team
has
brought
forward
over
the
last
year
and
a
half
easily
20
or
more-
and
it
is
to
the
mayor's
earlier
Point
very
expensive
one
side
in
fact,
I
reached
out
to
Matt
frolick
and
members
of
our
team
to
see
if
we
could
jointly
buy
a
site
because
the
cost
was
eight
million
dollars.
P
But
literally
we
are
not
seeing
prices
much
lower
than
what
we're
presenting
to
you
this
evening
when
we
purchase,
if
you
recall
the
Fenwick
site
on
John's
Island,
we
closed
on
that
in
2018.
That
was
about
3.5
million
and
so
to
say
this
one
and
that
was
12
acres,
10
high.
This
is
5.1
million
several
years
later,
that
is
a
larger,
attractive
land
and
the
price
is
just
slightly
higher
than
what
we
pay
for
then.
So
we've
been
quite
diligent
about
our
efforts
to
you
know,
bring
forth
property.
P
Hence
this
one
tonight
we
honestly
thought
that
this
was
one
that
we
could
look
at
and
and
seriously
consider
and
I
would
add
to
the
earlier
deferral
that
we
are
having
copies
made
for
you
of
the
appraisal.
Thank
you.
Thank.
I
You
Mr
chairman,
let
me
respond
I
appreciate
the
conversations
that
you
have
in
Michelle
Johnson
when
you
come
forward
with
the
list
from
Bridgepoint.
Could
you
come
forward
with
the
list
of
properties
that
the
school
district
owns
and
if
you
could
inquire
with
the
county,
to
see
what
properties
that
they
have
then
possibly
the
City
of
Charleston
and
the
county
could
elaborate
collaborate
on
Florida
Powers?
If
you
can
come
back
with
those
lists
of
properties,
then
I
think
we
have
some
good
choices
to
review.
Thank
you.
Miss
Jean.
E
N
A
A
The
eyes
have
it
and
before
we
adjourn
just
bear
with
me
for
a
second,
there
are
a
couple
of
things.
The
first
is,
we
have
three
board
members
from
the
I
am
and
I
think
we
need
to
applaud
councilman
a
pal
councilman
wearing,
and
the
chairman
count
pardon
and
the
chairman,
of
course,
Wilbur
and
and
the
mayor
I'm.
Sorry,
because
you
did
a
good
job
on
the
onward
I.
Just
think
that
you
know
they
did
such
an
exceptional
job
of
pulling
together.
A
What
I
think
was
a
worldwide
opening
for
worldwide
Museum
and
I.
Think
we
need
to
sometimes
thank
our
own.
A
Yeah
and
finally,
we
are
about
to
do
the
ground
breaking
for
the
Emmanuel
nine
Memorial.
Some
of
you
did
receive
an
email,
but
just
in
case
you
haven't
opened
it
I've
seen
it
that
groundbreaking
is
on
this
Saturday
at
12
o'clock
in
front
of
the
church.
We
have
a
mock-up
of
how
the
benches
for
the
memorial
will
look.
It's
unbelievable
and
you'll
get
a
sense
of
the
enormity
of
the
task
to
memorialize
the
Emmanuel
nine.
A
So
please,
if
you
get
a
chance
on
on
Saturday,
come
out,
we
also
have
a
service
at
10,
where
we'll
also
be
celebrating
the
return
of
our
100
year
old
organ
at
the
church,
we've.
Finally
gotten
that
completed
as
well,
so
you're
all
invited
okay.
Thank
you.
If
there's
nothing
else
to
come
before
this
committee,
this
meeting's
adjourned
and
we're
going
to
be
here
a
while
tonight,
I
can
tell.