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City of Charleston Committee on Ways and Means 6/20/23
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So
the
way
I
understand
this
particular
project.
It's
more
of
a
design
build
project
rather
than
a
design
bid
build.
So
our
initial
contract
with
Ruby
Collins
Inc,
was
just
for
the
initial
design.
The
whole
project
is
going
to
probably
likely
be
10
million
dollars
or
more.
This
portion
of
the
project
is
just
to
order
the
pumps
and
the
equipment
that
we
know
we
are
going
to
need
for
the
project.
The
lead
times
are
quite
long,
so
they
they
want
to
go
ahead
and
get
those
on
order.
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Back
in
the
summer
when
we
were
having
mechanical
measuring
challenges
with
getting
the
infinity
control
at
that
certain
level,
we
actually
had
a
task
force
of
the
contractor.
The
design
team
myself
in
the
museum
who
basically
diagnosing
the
problem
and
these
fee
amendments
are
kind
of
consecutive,
so
they
basically
gave
us
a
not
to
exceed
of
I.
Don't
remember
the
first
one,
fifty
thousand
eight
hundred
twenty
dollars.
It
was
a
not
to
exceed
so
they
were
utilizing
that
fee
until
there
was
no
more
and
then
they
would
go
and
request
another
one.
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With
this
group
that
came
in,
they
said,
wouldn't
it
be
nice
if
we
could
bring
in
artifacts,
so
we
had
to
kind
of
change
on
the
Fly
and
create
a
more
complicated
humidification
system
and
there's
challenges
with
doing
that.
So
we
did
extend
the
warranty
specifically
after
we've
ironed
out
those
problems.
Yeah.
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I
want
to
point
out
the
support
that
the
city
is
given
by
extending
that
warranty
another
six
months,
because
until
you
actually
get
in
the
building
and
get
operative,
you
really
don't
know
how
that
system
is
going
to
react.
It's
reacting
pretty
well
so
far
and
we
hope
will
continue
to
do
the
same,
but
we're
all
in
this
together,
so
that
support
from
the
city
I
just
wanted
to
reinforce,
goes
beyond
the
contract
was
wanting
to.
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First
item
up
was
the
approval
of
a
Fourth
Amendment
to
a
management
agreement
between
the
City
of
Charleston
and
the
Charleston
digital
Corridor
foundation
for
space
over
in
West
Edge,
and
this
is
space
that
the
city
sub
leases
out
to
an
entity
called
The
Low
Country
Center
for
veterans,
research,
they're
engaged
in
some
pretty
interesting
brain
research,
that's
geared
towards
supporting
our
military
veterans
and
the
terms
of
this
Arrangement
between
the
city
and
this
entity
are
that
the
the
non-profit
essentially
covers
the
rent.
This
is
not
a
huge
you
know.
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This
was
a
request
or
a
third
amendment
to
that
commercial
lease
for
another
three-year
term
and
an
option
to
renew
all
terms
being
the
same.
That
item
was
approved
unanimously.
The
next
item
had
to
do
with
the
Charleston
Children's
Museum
of
the
Lowcountry,
which
is
located
between
John
and
Ann
Street
downtown
and,
if
you
haven't
been
there
before,
I've
had
really
no
reason
to
go
there
until
I
had
a
child.
It's
a
pretty
awesome
place
and
they've
got
plans
to
take
that
organization
to
the
next
level.
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We've
had
several
rounds
of
discussions
around
this
table
and
in
committee
about
the
various
means
to
go
about
that.
There
have
been
various
proposals
that
have
been
thrown
out,
that
that
have
been
sent
back
to
the
drawing
board.
But
the
organization
has
a
new
executive
director
now
and
they've
come
forward
with
a
proposal
that
it
wouldn't
that
would
entail
and
extend,
and
at
least
term
till
2040,
with
a
10-year
option.
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You
know
moving
forward
and
I
think
the
committee
received
this
well
I
think
the
executive
director
did
a
great
job
presenting
to
the
committee,
and
this
item
was
approved
unanimously
as
well.
The
next
item
up
had
to
do
with
nothing
other
than
the
weight
room
at
the
Stony
at
Stony
field,
and
this
item
was
approved
unanimously.
We
had
a
very
good
discussion,
councilman,
Waring
and
I
about
how
part
of
weightlifting
necessarily
involves
weights
hitting
the
floor.
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You
want
to
do
it
in
a
controlled
manner,
of
course,
but
we're
making
proper
accommodations
to
make
sure
that
correct
weightlifting
can
take
place
as
part
of
this
authorization
and
that
approved
unanimously
as
well.
Next
item
had
to
do
with
a
multi-family
project.
This
is
located
over
on
cunnington
Avenue.
This
is
next
to
the
New
Hope
Center,
and
it's
calling
for
98
units.
This
is
a
ground
lease
Arrangement,
a
City
put
out
an
RFP
for
this
project.
A
group
called
Conifer
developers,
Inc
responded.
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It
doesn't
convert
because
we
own
the
property
throughout
the
whole
60
years
that
we're
just
leasing
the
property
to
the
developer.
It's
a
ground
lease,
so
we
never
are
divested
of
fee
simple
title
of
the
property
to
the
units
as
well.
Oh
yeah,
and
we
get
all
the
improvements,
I'm,
not
sure
what
they're
going
to
look
like
in
60
years,
I,
don't
think
yeah.
Probably
none
of
us
will
be
around
to
see
it,
but
hopefully
hopefully
they
maintain
itself.
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I
mean
I,
I,
eat
my
vegetables
and
try
to
exercise
a
little
bit,
but
that's
that's
pretty
old.
Okay,
so
that
was
approved
unanimously
and
next
item
up
item
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was
an
affordability
project
as
well.
This
is
the
low
line
affordable
housing
site.
This
was
just
a
in
in
a
one-year
extension
to
to
the
lease
and
they've
actually
gone
through
the
bar
process.
We
can't
blame
this
one
on
the
difficulties
of
getting
bar
approval.
This
this
again
has
to
do
with
monitoring
Colombia
for
these
state
tax
credits.
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Yeah,
there's
a
motion
on
the
floor
to
defer
item
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until
we
have
a
full
discussion
at
Council.
I
would
ask
respectfully
that
we
grant
that
that
motion
to
vote
on
that
motion,
and
this
is
for
the
reasons
that
councilman
Bowden
is
pointing
out
we're
going
to
have
a
very
spirited
discussion.
I
would
suspect
on
on
item
age
and
it's
a
very
important
discussion
that
we
need
to
have
as
an
item.
That's
been
working
on
almost
six
years
more.
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Yeah,
let
me
just
finish
my
thoughts,
my
name
Mr
chairman
and
so
to
to
avoid
a
duplicate
discussion
and
so
that
everybody
here
is
the
same
discussion
at
one
time.
Just
out
of
our
abundance
of
fairness,
I
think
that's
a
white!
That's
a
right
move
to
take
and
then
I
think
the
expectation,
quite
frankly
from
the
public.
Is
that
they're
not
to
understand
the
nuances
about
procedure,
but
this
is
coming
through
real
estate.
We
use
it
Ways
and
Means,
and
then
we
do
have
the
option
to
address
it
at
full.
Council.
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That
sounds
good
Mr
chairman,
but
the
reality
is.
We
have
a
different
presiding
officer
at
at
city
council.
The
ability
for
council
members
to
speak
on
the
issue
can
very
well
be
limited
at
city
council
meeting
you'll
be
gaveled
to
a
close
I
suspect
that
will
happen
today
at
ways
and
means
we're
subject
to
have
more
latitude.
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This
isn't
any
different
than
any
other
subject:
that's
funded
through
the
city.
It
comes
through
Ways
and
Means.
If
the
public
disagrees
with
the
vote,
Ways
and
Means,
then
they
do
have
the
public
comment
period
at
city
council.
That's
what
it's
for
when
this
issue
comes
up.
All
of
these
people
here
and
online
will
be
heard.
The
idea
about
not
having
full
discussions
on
40,
potentially
45
million
dollars
of
taxpayers
dollars
after
having
been
caught
up
frankly
in
the
mayor's
office
for
the
better
part
of
six
years.
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Respectfully,
I
I
would
support
the
deferral
so
that
we
can
have
one
kind
of
together
conversation
about
this
topic.
It
is
about
five
o'clock,
so
city
council
is
time
wise,
ready
to
begin
already.
There's
certainly
folks
here
for
other
parts
of
the
meeting,
and
if
we
want
to
discuss
it
twice,
I
think
it
that
would
take
a
considerable
time
of
ways
and
means.
As
as
Council
knows,
the
final
approval
of
any
matter
on
Ways
and
Means
actually
occurred
during
city
council.
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I
mean
thanks
for
reminding
me
that
it's
five
o'clock,
because
if
it's
five
o'clock,
that
means
that
everybody
that's
coming
to
council
meeting
to
hear
what's
going
on
is
already
here
and
you
know,
I
I
still
I
still
think
that
this
is
a
discussion
that
should
be
had
if
ways
and
means
it's
45
million
dollars.
Yes,
council,
member.
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Yes,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
I
would
just
note
that
for
people
to
come
and
sit
and
then
watch
a
discussion
when
at
five
o'clock
they're
taking
time
out
of
their
lives
to
come
to
have
an
audience
before
Council
to
express
their
opinion.
To
then
have
us
sit
here
and
pontificate
and
blow
V8,
and
do
it
twice
while
making
them
sit
there
to
me
is
inherently
unfair
that
they've
come
out.
We
already
have
it
scheduled
to
have
the
discussion.
It's
been
noticed
as
such
on
the
city
council
meeting
agenda.
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If
I
may,
I
totally
disagree
with
you
on
that
and
and
the
reason
why
I
disagree
is
that
it
won't
be
discussed
twice
with
counsel.
Let
counsel
have
its
discussions
now
and
take
action
now
and
when
it
goes
to
the
full
Council,
we
will
have
a
have
an
opportunity
at
that
point,
to
hear
the
Public's
concerns
and
issues
and
recommendations.
Okay
and
sure
we
could
have
further
discussion,
but
why.
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And
and
I
appreciate
that
you've
decided
that
I
get
more
than
that.
I
do
have
a
little
bit
of
a
problem
with
the
the
reason
that
we're
doing
this,
which
is
expressly
Forum
Shopping.
If
I,
walked
into
a
courtroom
and
said
no
judge,
I
don't
want
to
go
in
front
of
you.
I
would
like
to
go
in
front
of
this
judge.
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Just
cannot
emphasize
enough
that
this
is
what
people
hate
about
government
that
we
are
avoiding
having
this
discussion
in
the
light
of
day
with
as
many
people
here
as
could
possibly
take
the
time
to
make
it
here
today
to
weigh
in
on
this
issue,
and-
and
here
we
are
having
one
portion
of
it
as
when,
when
we
have
a
full
opportunity,
with
the
exact
same
rules
to
debate
it
later
to
say
that
we're
not
going
to
debate
spending.
45
million
dollars
is
patently
absurd.
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Then
we
can
hear
from
the
public
and
then
we
can
have
a
full.
What
up?
What
will
be?
None
other
than
a
full-blown
knockdown
drag
out
discussion
and
debate
about
whether
we
spend
45
million
dollars
or
any
other
dollars
on
this.
So
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
this
motion
to
deny
well
I
mean
I,
would
I
would
submit
that.
What's
you
know,
the
report
that
I'm
giving
is
is
is
is
just
that.
That
is
what
the
committee
did.
K
The
ways
it
means
committee
is
disregarding
what
happened
at
the
real
estate
committee
meeting
by
bifurcating
sort
of
a
discussion
here
and
then
a
vote
there.
I
just
think
the
most
natural
efficient
way
to
proceed
tonight
is
we
get
the
report
we
hear
from
the
public,
and
then
we
have
the
discussion,
so
we
don't
have
to
do
it
twice.
As
council
member
Bowden
pointed
out,
this
project
is
not
suffering
from
a
lack
of
analysis,
discussion
and
debate.
K
Okay,
there's
been
plenty
of
it
and
we're
going
to
have
more
of
it
today
say
I,
just
don't
think
we
need
to
slice
and
dice
this
up
and
and
play
procedural
games.
Frankly,
I
mean
I
think
that
this
is
what
people
are
frustrated
with
and
I
think
we
just
ought
to
go
about
it
in
a
more
logical
way.
So
that's
why
I
voted.
Yes,.
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He
had
not
finished
his
report
and
I
would
suspect
at
some
point
in
time
he
was
going
to
ask
that
his
report
be
adopted.
Part
of
that
report
included
that
the
item
h
be
deferred
to
the
full
Council,
so
we
kind
of
jumped
the
gun
a
little
bit
on
procedural
wise
before
he
refinish
his
report.
You,
you
interjected
and
said,
let's
take
up
H
noun,
so
I'm
asking
a
parliamentarian,
because
we
have
not
finished
a
report
and
this
recommendation
would
have
been
to
go.
The
full
Council
then
shouldn't
his
report
be
adopted
or
debated.
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Right,
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Councilmember
Parker
I
appreciate
that
we
also
considered
12
annexations,
which
I
think
was
a
record,
certainly
since
I've
been
on
Council
and
those
were
all
unanimously
approved
and
sailed
through
and
with
all
that
being
said,
I
would
like
to
offer
the
full
report
from
the
real
estate
committee.
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What
we're
supposed
to
do
and
all
I'm
doing
is
doing
what
the
chairman
of
this
body
is
responsible
to
do.
This
is
an
anomaly
for
me:
I've
never
seen
it
happen
quite
this
way,
and
all
of
the
adjectives
that
I've
heard
it's
unbelievable,
what
we're
getting
ready
to
get
into
guys.
Let's,
let's
just
take
a
chill
pill.
Okay,
before
we
really
really
take
this
to
a
place.
That
would
be
very
embarrassing
for
this
body.
Yes,
councilmember
Parker.
Thank.
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You
Mr
chairman,
just
one
final
thing:
if
things
are
you
know,
I
would
hope
that
this
body.
That
is
why
I
changed
my
butt
that
this
body
will
conduct
itself
in
a
way
that
the
residing
officer,
you
know
the
the
presiding
officer
will
hold
themselves.
You
know
to
a
place
and
let
everyone
speak
thoroughly.
You
know.
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If
I
recall
correctly,
that
had
been
a
major
pivotal
change
with
the
election
and
a
lot
of
credit
the
councilman
were
wearing,
because
we
had
this
discussion
about
selling
or
leasing
it,
and
it
was
a
revision
clause
in
there
and
I
think
this
body
is
pretty
much
adverse
to
these
Clauses
that
give
revision
back
to
the
city
in
case
it's
not
being
used,
so
the
Children's,
Museum
and
I
remember
councilman,
Sheila
and
I.
In
you
know,
pouring
down
rain
went
over
there
and
took
a
a
tour
of
the
museum.
G
For
those
of
us
who
have
raised
children
and
are
my
young
colleagues
who
are
having
children
raising
them
down,
having
things
to
do
in
the
summer
in
the
City
of
Charleston
is
different,
and
particularly
if
you
live
on
the
peninsula,
those
opportunities
seem
even
scarcely
so.
The
children
museum
is
success.
Is
a
city's
success
and
I
think
we
were
all
just
delightfully
appreciative
of
the
pivot
that
they
made
in
coming
up
with
this
option
on
which
we
approve
the
mind
I'm,
not
a
c
and
I.
G
F
I
want
to
follow
up
on
councilman.
She
just
said
the
new
director
is
a
breath
of
fresh
air.
Frankly,
the
previous
director
was
had
a
Line
in
the
Sand
us
against
them,
meaning
the
museum
against
the
city
rumor,
had
it
possibly
even
legal
actions
being
taken
this
lady,
this
CEO
is
a
person
that
realizes
we
strongly
working
together.
I
mean
I,
look
forward
to
and
I
think
everybody
else
does
look
forward
to
working
with
this
lady
and
she
certainly
has
a
a
can-do
attitude
of
getting
things
done.
D
D
We
discussed
briefly
the
difference
in
funding
funds
on
that
change
order,
but
the
important
point
is
that
we
are
proceeding
with
the
Concord
Pump
Station
refit
and
renovation,
which
is
now
25
years
old
and
a
major
component
of
our
stormwater
system
for
the
Upper
East
Peninsula
or
mid
up
mid
East
Peninsula
down
Meeting
Street
and
Calhoun
Street
over
to
the
pump
station,
so,
secondly,
the
moving
ahead
with
the
second
phase
of
the
West
Ashley
Bikeway
resurfacing,
I
think
that's
mostly
in
council
member
waring's
district.
It
goes
through
Ardmore.
D
We
had
done
the
first
phase
of
it
a
year
or
so
ago,
and
in
conjunction
with
that,
the
county
is,
will
soon
be
proceeding
with
a
better
connection
from
the
Bikeway
over
to
wapu
road
for
the
down
wapu
road
to
connect
with
the
refurbished
Greenway.
So
this
is
a
step
forward,
y'all
in
our
better
connectivity,
West
Ashley.
D
And
so
we'll
really
have
a
holistic
combination
of
wraparound
services
for
those
in
need,
plus
housing
right
next
door
to
it.
Mr
chairman
in
the
30
to
80
percent
Ami
range.
So
so
that's
going
to
be
long-term.
A
very
powerful
combination
for
helping
those
who
are
unhoused
or
at
risk
of
becoming
unhappy.