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City of Charleston Committee on Ways and Means 8/15/23
B
A
Any
discussion
I
just
had
one
question,
and
that
was
how
economically
disadvantaged
communities
to
find
looked
like.
You
were
waiting
for
that
one
man,
oh
okay,.
D
E
Thank
you
Mr
chairman.
We
spoke
at
about
this
proposed
project
Atlanta
and
councilman
Memorial
Public
Works
committee
meeting
yesterday,
but
I
would
just
point
out
that
what
particularly
appealed
to
me
when
I
first
saw
the
notice
that
such
a
grant
program
was
being
put
out
by
the
U.S
Army
Corps
was,
unlike
the
other
participation
agreements
we've
had
with
them.
This
is
a
hundred
percent
would
be
funded.
E
100
percent
by
by
the
U.S
Army
Corps,
there
was
no
local
match
required
so
that
that
was
very
attractive
to
us,
and
particularly
since
the
other,
the
other
drainage
basin,
that
that
would
naturally
qualify,
we've
already
applied
for
other
grants
through
mitigation
on
on
the
Upper
East
Side.
E
That
was
through
I
think
a
HUD
mitigation
Grant.
So
so
we
look
West
Ashley
specifically
to
see
if
there
was
somewhere.
That
made
a
lot
of
sense,
and
this
was
just
this
did
meet
those
requirements,
and
it's
just
perfectly.
It
will
just
be
blessed
by
by
no
end.
If
we're
successful
getting
the
green
okay.
A
D
So
Mr
chairman,
there
were
a
number
of
areas.
We've
looked
at
for
Army
Corps
funding.
Previously
the
Public
Works
utilities
committee
and
Council
on
the
DuPont
wapu
project
was
one
of
the
areas
we
had
recommended
as
a
council
for
advocacy
with
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
for
different
funding
pots
that
they
potentially
have
available
it
is
this
program
is
capped
at
around
10
million
dollars,
so
a
certain
Peninsula
areas
would
likely
not
fall
within
that
cap
for
their
Project
work.
D
The
areas
that
would,
as
the
mayor
mentioned,
are,
are
similar
in
Impact
from
a
project
cost
scale
to
DuPont
wapu,
but
we'd
have
other
potential
funding
sources
that
this
program
is
so
interesting
that
it
it
is
the
Army
Corps.
The
reasons
palette
project
is
the
Army
Corps.
Looking
at
funding
projects
without
a
traditional
cost
benefit
assessment,
so
the
core
normally
requires
cost
benefit
assessment,
that's
obviously
very
disadvantageous
to
communities
with
lower
incomes
generally
at
the
properties.
D
Don't
have
the
same
valuation,
so
you
don't
tend
to
compete
with
scores
that
we
would
see
on
the
peninsula
for
major
road
impacts
or
for
higher
value
institutional
impacts.
So
this
was
kind
of
a
unique
opportunity
to
bring
in
a
more
Suburban
oriented
West
Ashley
project
into
that
potential
funding
round
that
we
wouldn't
normally
be
able
to
do.
A
A
Moved
in
property,
second,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
the
eyes
have
it
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
come
on
the
eyes.
Have
it.
F
A
A
G
You
Mr
chairman,
so
128
the
match
of
approximately
ninety
one
thousand
dollars.
What
what
funds
are
those
going
to
be?
What
are
they,
what
are
they
going
to
come
from.
E
Apparently,
we're
able
to
qualify
our
match
with
existing
salaries,
so
we're
not
coming
up
with
any
new
cash.
Okay
expenditure
to
meet
our
match.
Isn't
that
right:
Miss,
Johnson,
okay,
okay,
no.
A
B
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
I
appreciate
that
we
deferred
this
last
time,
I
appreciate
it
very
much
and
that
we've
we've
looked
at
this
closer
and
since
that
time
we
do
have
some
other
options
for
affordable
housing,
which
is,
which
is
great
if
I
were
personally
buying
a
piece
of
land
to
put
my
home
on,
had
five
million
dollars
to
do
it.
B
I
would
not
choose
this
location,
knowing
that
neighbors
have
had
bad
issues
with
odor
and
trash
in
their
yards,
Wastewater,
runoff
and
other
issues,
and
so
I'd
just
like
to
ask
that
you
think
about
this
yourself.
Would
you
buy
this
piece
of
property,
knowing
that
your
neighbors
have
had
issues
with
trash
with
odor
with
water
runoff
from
a
landfill
if
I
did
buy
it?
Shame
on
me:
if
I
complained
about
it,
I
know
I'd
be
buying
a
piece
of
property
next
to
a
landfill.
B
So
shame
on
me:
if,
if
I
did,
if
I
bought
it
and
complained
about
it,
the
and
I
just
wonder
why
we
as
a
city
would
buy
this
property.
Knowing
that
there's
been
issues
that
DHEC
had
to
come
in
and
fix
for
Neighbors
of
this
property,
but
if
we
choose
this
property
for
someone
else
to
live
in
those
of
us
that
vote
to
do
so,
I
mean
I.
Think
when
those
calls
start
coming
in,
we
should
be
taking
those
calls
we're
the
people
that
bought
it.
B
We
should
give
them
our
mobile
phone
numbers,
those
of
us
that
vote
that
would
vote
Yes
on
this,
because
we're
responsible
for
buying
a
piece
of
property
that
we
know
there
is
a
risk
on,
but
purchasing
that
property
for
the
residents.
The
future
residents
is
it's
not
only
unfair
because
of
the
environmental
issues
on
their
back
doorstep.
It's
unfair
because
on
their
front
doorstep
they
got
the
worst
traffic
in
the
City
of
Charleston
that
they're
going
to
be
sitting
in
if
they're
commuting
to
work.
B
B
If
they
don't
go,
Glenn
McConnell
they're
going
to
sit
at
Main,
Road
and
Savannah
highway,
which
we
all
know
is
a
disaster
if
you've
paid
attention
at
all
to
what's
going
on
with
the
county,
and
it's
not
fair
to
the
people
who
live
along
Church
Creek,
who
are
counting
on
the
City
of
Charleston
to
live
up
to
the
promise
that
this
that
the
City
of
Charleston
voted
on
when
we
said
we're
going
to
use
that
piece
of
property
to
bring
in
tax
dollars
that
are
going
to
help
solve
your
flooding
issues
in
church
Creek.
B
B
to
fix
the
problems
that
came
up
with
the
church,
Creek
flooding
issues,
the
Pud,
that's
in
place
on
that
property
now
and
what
it's
used
for.
If
we
don't
buy
this
property
and
don't
do
anything
with
it,
it
has
businesses
that'll
support
the
people
who
live
west
of
bees,
Ferry
Road.
B
The
reason
why
that
putt
is
there
is
because
the
property
owner
when
he
put
that
Putt
in
knew
that
those
businesses
would
support
that
new
community.
That's
going
on
out
there
29414
zip
code
is
the
most
populated
I.
Looked
this
up.
It's
the
most
populated
zip
code
in
the
City
of
Charleston.
Okay,
now
they're,
not
all
City
of
Charleston
residents.
Some
of
them
belong
to
the
center.
B
A
good
portion
of
them
belong
to
San,
Andreas
PSD,
but
the
problem
with
29414
is:
we
continue
to
build
Residential
Properties
and
we
don't
have
businesses
going
at
the
same
rate
to
support
them
and
when
these
hundreds
I
should
say
thousands
of
homes
that
are
in
the
process
of
being
built
or
are
on
the
plans
to
be
built
and
long
Savannah's
built.
We
need
businesses
to
support
that
area,
but
anyway,
we've
got
a
much
better
option
for
our
5.1
million
dollars.
B
I
sent
that
email
that
Charleston
County
Schools
is
open
to
conversations
about
partnering
with
us
on
affordable
housing
projects.
You
know
that
where
we
don't
have
to
purchase
the
land,
not
only
do
we
not
have
to
purchase
the
land
but
councilman
Bowden.
It's
not
going
to
take
away
from
your
constituents
that
live
along
Church
Creek
because
we're
not
paying
into
property
taxes
there.
It's
not
taking
away
those
property
taxes
that
are
going
to
improve
Church
Creek,
because
it's
already
a
government
property.
So
we're
not
taking
away
any
tax
dollars
from
anybody.
B
So
I
ask
that
you
not
vote
tonight
to
spend
this
5.1
million
if
nothing
else,
let's
have
the
conversation
with
Charleston
County
Schools,
but
it's
a
much
wiser
decision
for
a
lot
of
different
reasons.
All
of
the
points
that
I
that
I've
said,
but
we've
got
an
option
now
and
we
need
to
look
at
that
before
we
spend
this
five
point:
one
million
dollars.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
H
I
appreciate
all
that
and
I
have
had
many
of
the
same
concerns
that
you
did
when
I
first
heard
about
this
and
I've
thought
about
it.
A
lot
of
you
know.
We
talked
a
lot
about
bees.
The
park
at
bees,
Landing
Rec
Center
the
other
day
since
then,
I've
I've,
taken
my
kid
there,
like
four
times
I,
haven't
seen
a
single
vulture
is
what
we're
concerned
about
I.
H
Think
but
I
mean
I'm,
not
saying
they're,
not
there,
I'm
I'm,
saying
that
to
the
extended
as
a
problem,
I
I
think
it
was
given
a
little
too
much
weight
at
the
last
meeting,
including
in
my
own
mind,
there
are,
as
you
rightly
pointed
out,
there
are
thousands
of
homes
going
in
off
of
Bear
Swamp
Road
in
in
Long
Savannah
they're.
H
About
this
you
know,
with
regard
to
working
with
the
school
district.
I
would
love
to
do
that.
I
think
we
absolutely
should
do
that,
but
I
think
we
should
be
doing
both
I
think
our
affordable
housing
needs
are
such
that
we
just
can't
give
up
these
units
I.
Think
it's
a
fair
price
I
personally
live
on
bees,
Ferry,
Road
and
experience
the
traffic.
You
can
adjust
your
schedule
and
make
it
work.
Fine.
H
You
know,
I,
we've
got
a
lot
of
things
that
that
need
to
get
done
and
we're
not
helping
ourselves
by
not
addressing
one
of
them
in
in
the
process.
So
I'm
gonna
vote
for
this
because
of
the
gravity
of
our
affordable
housing
needs.
G
G
E
I
would
like
to
share
with
councilman
Parker
and
everyone
that
that
often
when
we
develop
affordable
product
like
we
did
at
James
Lewis,
even
though
the
cost
there
is
like
similar,
like
25
million
dollars,
what
we
do
is
we
put
out
a
request
for
proposals
from
developers.
We
didn't
put
25
million
dollars
in
Jane,
Lewis
I.
Think
we
put
about
three
or
four
million
dollars
into
it.
E
So
so
we
often
keep
ownership
of
the
land
and
then
partner
with
a
developer
to
actually
pay
that
construction
cost,
so
the
majority
of
it
or
Finance,
the
majority
of
it.
So
you
know
part
of
our
protocol
now
for
trying
to
develop
more
affordable.
E
Housing
is
to
partner
with
both
private
and
non-profit
developers,
who
then,
along
with
us,
make
make
those
additional
Investments
to
build,
and
if
you
don't
mind
while
I
have
the
floor,
I
did
I
did
want
to
address
and
thank
council
member
Sheely
for
for
reminding
us
about
the
property
the
school
district
has
over
at
C,
the
old
CE,
Williams
and
and
I
must
say,
with
the
need
that
we're
projecting
by
2030
we
need.
We
need
that
property.
We
need
this
property,
we
need
other
properties
that
there's
there's
there.
E
We
need
multiple
locations,
we
hope
to
to
partner
with
the
school
district
on
that
or
any
other
location
that
they
want
to
offer
and
develop.
I
I
met
with
the
new
superintendent
just
last
week
and
brought
that
property
up
along
with
another
one
that
they
had
identified
in
North
Charleston
near
Mary,
Ford
Elementary.
E
He
he
wasn't
really
aware
of
of
those
options
at
this
point,
but
we
discussed
them
in
my
office.
We
did
check
that
site
at
CE,
Williams
and
I
must
say
it's,
unfortunately,
pretty
low
line
over
there,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
much
density
we
would
be
recommending
for
that
particular
site.
E
It's
not
far
off
from
Long
Branch
drainage
basin,
so
that
that's
going
to
be
the
property
on
Beaver
Road,
believe
it
or
not
is
is
higher
elevation
than
the
school
district
one,
so
that
will
impact
the
density
that
gets
recommended
there
long-term
food.
But
in
my
view
we.
A
Need
it
all
right,
I
mean
there
are
numerous
opportunities
I,
for
instance,
math,
and
science,
on
King,
Street
right
behind
math
and
science
is
a
sizable
amount
of
land
which
would
be
a
great
opportunity,
I
think
again
to
partner
with
the
school
board
to
try
to
develop
housing
housing
for
their
people
in
particular.
A
So
I
I
agree
with
you
that
we
really
need
to
sort
of
be
pushing
the
envelope
as
it
relates
to
getting
the
Charleston
School
Board
involved
in
developing
housing,
like
other
schools
around
the
country,
are
already
doing
we're
sort
of
behind.
In
that
vein,
council
member
seeking.
F
I
Was
what
we
had
looked
at
initially,
we
don't
typically
dig
into
the
full
amount
of
units
that
could
be
constructed
at
the
very
beginning.
We
do
work
with
an
engineering
team.
We've
started
discussions
with
HLA
because
we
do
want
to
maximize
opportunities
when
they
present
themselves.
Typically,
when
we
are
presenting
the
purchase
and
sell
agreement,
it
is
to
get
council's
approval
and
then,
during
that
due
diligence
period,
we
look
at
density.
We
look
at
all
of
those
things-
storm
water,
titles
literally
any-
and
everything
that
could
impact
the
development.
J
You,
okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
I,
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
purchase,
this
property
and
it
appears
based
on
an
appraisal
that
that
we're
getting
fair
market
value.
J
I
do
have
a
question
about
the
process,
because
my
understanding
is,
we
have
an
agent,
that's
looking
for
these
properties
for
us,
and
you
know,
based
on
the
sales
history
that
was
in
the
pre
appraisal,
this
property
sold
for
2
million
eighty
seven
thousand
dollars
706
in
November
of
2022,
so
less
than
a
year
later,
we're
paying
more
than
three
million
dollars
more
for
the
same
piece
of
property.
And
so
my
question
is
the
agent
that's
looking
for
us
for
these.
J
A
K
K
I
mean
we
ought
to
at
least
get
another
appraisal
on
the
problem.
Don't
use
our
dollars
for
affordable
housing
just
too
hard
to
come
by
so
anyway,
at
the
very
least,
I
I
well
I'll
defer
to
you,
you
brought
it
up
and
I
think
it's
a
valid
point.
J
Yeah
again,
my
intention
isn't
to
imply
that
we're
paying
above
market
right
here.
My
my
request
is
that
we
review
this
process
or
whoever
is
trying
to
identify
these
properties.
Because
again
we
could
have.
We
could
have
gotten.
We
could
have
obtained
this
property
for
three
million
dollars
less
if
we
had
bought
it
in
November,
which
you
know
that'd
be
a
good
deal,
so
we're
paying
market
right
now
we
could
have
paid
far
below
market
rate
back
in
November.
K
K
What's,
that
is
that
150
in
less
than
12
months,
we
have
had
on
this
Council
problems
with
valuations
on
appraisals
on
other
properties,
and
the
first
one
I
would
bring
up,
would
be
the
contaminated
property
that
appraised
for
7
million
and
was
going
to
be
sold
to
the
city
for
six
million
and
the
county
had
it
assessed
it
virtually
zero
because
it
was
contaminated
because
there
had
been
others
I
think
we
had
a
at
least
get
a
second
appraisal
on
this
one
now
I'm
going
to
vote
against
this
and
I'll.
K
Tell
you
why
I
respect
your
opinion,
I
respect,
councilman
Brady
spoke
in
favor
of
it.
The
last
meeting.
I,
don't
think
you
have
a
bigger
fan
for
affordable
housing.
This
Council
than
myself
and
I'll
probably
yield
to
you
being
a
head
of
heart
for
30
years,
I've
used
my
own
money
without
government
intervention
to
create
affordable
housing.
That's
how
much
I
believe
in
it,
but
the
county
closed
and
incinerated,
because
you
didn't
want
to
have
that
type
pollution
if
you
will
in
close
proximity
to
economically
challenge
people.
K
That's
why
I'm
voting
against
this
one,
because
I
think
it
is
too
close
to
the
landfill,
so
people
who
are
economically
challenged
and,
frankly,
they're,
not
gonna.
Their
choice
is
in
finding
other
locations.
If
the
fumes
are
too
much
if
the
natural
bird
life
creates
a
problem,
they
stuck
and
we
create
in
that
situation
for
them.
So
I'm
going
to
vote
against
this
one
I
would
hope
that
I
would,
let's
see
how
this
works.
K
A
Second,
moved
in
properly
seconded
any
discussions
on
the
motion
to
the.
L
L
If
this
is
deferred
and
will
this
hurt
the
possibility
possibility
of
applying
the
property
or
doing
it,
it
be
deferred?
This
is
what
I'm
asking,
because
we
got
to
be
very
careful.
This
was
going
on
a
while
now
and
if
it's
going
to
hurt
by
doing
deferral,
I
don't
know
about
that
part
of
it,
because
you
know
when
you
come
to
housing
period,
you
know
how
my
affordable
housing,
because
we
do
not
have
affordable
housing
here
period
and
I'm.
You
know
I'm
adamant
about
that.
L
Wherever
it's
going
to
be,
you
know-
and
you
know,
I'm
not
going
to
change
my
view
from
that
either
because
I
worked
with
it
for
33
years
too
so
and
I
know
what's
happening
in
this
city
more
so
than
people
cannot
find
affordable,
housing
here
and
not
living
here
in
the
City
of
Charleston.
Even
my
own
family
can't
live
here
and
I
and
I'm
I'm
sick
of
it.
You
know
because
I've
seen
the
trend
and
we're
talking
about
but
diversity,
if
you
don't
have
it
anymore,
because
we
can't
afford
to
stay
here
anymore.
L
You
know
what
are
we
doing
here?
You
see
so
and
I
understand
what
everybody
is
saying:
I
understand
the
character,
but
it's
going
to
change
even
with
that
aspect
of
what,
with
the
these
fairies,
these
frame
might
even
be
moving
so
I,
don't
know
things
going
to
change.
Things
are
changing
every
day.
So
when
you
come
to
affordability
and
affordable
housing,
I'm
very
you
know,
stick
on
that,
like
I
cannot
vote
against
affordable
housing
period
wherever
it
comes
from
I.
L
L
L
What
is
the
state
doing
you
know?
So
this
is
my
problem.
This
is
my
problem.
If
I
didn't
bought
my
house,
when
I
did
38
years
ago,
I
still
couldn't
buy
it
now
in
King
Street,
you
know
so
these
things
we
have
to
look
at
very
seriously.
We
had
to
look
at
the
others
that
who
can't
under
forward
things
right
now.
We
can't
look
at
it
ourselves
because
we've
been
here
and
we've
already
accomplished
some
of
our
goals
that
we
have
and
not
looking
at
self-indivism,
because
I
got
this.
I
got
this
degree.
L
A
You
I
think
with
shade
Van
Damme.
C
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
July
17th
seemed
like
100
years
ago
to
me
for
some
reason,
but
I
do
remember
that
councilman
Rappel
was
absent
and
I
had
to
Pitch
hit
for
him
to
chair
this
committee.
You
know
I
and
I.
Remember
when
the
presentation
was
made.
I
thought
this
was
a
wonderful
idea
and
was
praising
our
city
staff
for
locating
this
piece
of
property
and
then
councilmember
Sheely
was
not.
A
member
of
the
committee
spoke
up
very
eloquently
about
some
of
the
concerns
and
he
and
I
chatted
about
this.
C
Everything
that
councilmember
Mitchell
said
it's
a
hundred
percent
accurate
I
mean
I.
If
I
could
say
mega
didto
to
that
councilmember
Mitchell
I
went
because
our
inventory
on
affordable
housing
is
dismal,
I
mean
it
really
is,
and
we
have
a
crisis
with
that
and
if
anybody
paid
attention
to
I
think
the
news
article
in
today's
paper
about
housing
sales
have
dipped
to
one
of
the
slowest
levels.
It's
because
of
the
inventory
of
housing,
even
housing
that
people
can
afford
or
obtain
is
such
a
slow
volume
and
now
we've
got.
C
This
has
been
aggravated
because
folks,
who
want
to
live
at
either
low
income,
housing,
Workforce
housing,
whatever
label
you
want
to
put
on
it,
the
inventory
is
so
low
that
assist
is
getting
Out.
Of
Reach
and,
like
you,
councilmember
Mitchell,
my
daughter
had
to
leave
Charleston
to
go,
get
a
job
in
Spartanburg,
because
part
of
it
was
the
the
affordability
of
what
she
could
attain
up
there
and
the
housing
as
opposed
to
what
her
salary
would
allow
to
have
here
in
Charleston.
C
What's
going
on
in
the
market,
but
this
is
a
huge,
but
on
our
responsibility
we
have
a
very
limited
amount
of
resources
available
to
us
on
a
buying
and
acquiring
housing
that
we
need
to
be
responsible
for
to
obtain
and
council
member
wearing
your
point
and
I
remember
this:
when
I
was
on
the
stormwater
Task
Force
review
manual
and
we'll
be
upgrading
our
standards
for
stormwater
management,
and
someone
brought
up
the
point
that
maybe
we
shouldn't
have
these
standards
to
the
same
level
for
affordable
housing,
a
low-income
housing
and
I
probably
said:
wait
a
minute
wait
a
minute.
C
C
We
have
a
tendency
of
looking
at
folks
who
we
want
to
provide
for
affordable
or
attainable
housing
as
second-class
Citizens.
We
do
that.
It's
disgusting,
that
we
do
it
that
way,
and
we
think
that
okay,
you
know
out
of
sight
out
of
mind.
Perhaps
or
this
is
cheap
land,
perhaps
this
property
has
got
so
many
question
marks
in
my
mind
as
to
which
location
its
value,
the
points
that
councilman
bashili's
bringing
out
the
points
that
councilman
board
is
bringing
out
and
where
it
is
ringing
out.
Let's
I
hate
to
I
hate.
C
The
word
defer,
listen
if
somebody
can
come
up
if
we
lose
this
property
because
somebody
can
buy
it
for
more
than
twice
the
value
within
12
months,
God
bless
I
mean
amen,
go
to
it
today.
If
we're
that,
if
that
landed,
that's
on
on
the
peak
of
being
bought
for
that
much
money.
Okay,
maybe
to
get
a
better
price
for
it.
I
don't
know,
but
you
know
I
I
would
let
him
go
ahead
and
do
it,
but
I
think
we
we
are.
C
We
have
a
different
level
of
responsibility
to
our
citizens
than
private
investors
do,
and
that
is
to
make
sure
that
we're.
We
are
very
stingy
with
our
money
that
we're
very
large
with
our
money
and
we
had
to
be
good
stewards
of
what
we're
doing
with
this
thing,
I
can't
go
back
to
my
constituents
and
say:
oh
guess,
what
I
just
did
with
you.
C
G
A
G
Just
had
a
follow-up
as
I
think:
do
you
unless
you
have
a
question
or
answer
okay?
So
obviously
we
don't
have
unlimited
dollars
here,
but
we
have
an
opportunity
with
the
school
district
that's
been
presented
that,
hopefully,
will
come
to
us
shortly
if
we
use
this
5
million
on
that
it
takes
away
5
million
that
we
could
possibly
use
on
whatever
whatever
could
be
coming
forward.
Correct
second
I
asked
what
it
would
cost
the
city
to
build.
We
said:
30
million
Mr
Mayor.
You
said
that
now
that's
a
it's
a
different
number.
G
Asked
what
the
cost
to
the
city
would
be
if
we
purchased
this
land
and
built
those
units.
It
was
about
300
000,
a
unit
free
330
million.
But
you
said
that's
not
the
case
if
we
use
the
utilize,
the
private
sector,
so
then
what
would
be
the
cost
to
the
city
to
build
those
units
on
that
site?
Approximately
I
know
you
don't
have
a
crystal
ball,
but.
E
I
mean
if
it's
consistent
with
other
contracts,
we've
had
I
mentioned
the
one
that
James
Lewis
apartments.
E
You
know
we
put
in
what
four
million
dollars
five
million
on
a
25
27
million
dollar
deal
so
I
would
each
deal
can
be
a
little
different,
but
I
would
imagine
that
we
would
invest
some
equity
in
in
the
in
the
project
and.
I
That
is
64
units,
councilmember
Parker,
and
so
what
the
mayor
commented
on
is
we
traditionally
have
done
a
request
for
proposals,
so
we
secure
Partners,
who
are
in
this
business
to
actually
build
on
our
behalf.
We
enter
into
options
to
lease
and
ground
leases
that
enables
them
to
move
forward
with
building
managing
reaping
the
benefits
of
the
rents
for
a
said
period
of
time.
In
many
cases
it's
been
60
years
at
the
end
of
that
60
years.
I
E
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
there
is
absolutely
no
way
we
would
buy
this
property,
the
less
for
more
than
an
appraised
appraisal
or
appraised
value
of
the
property.
What
we
would
take
action
upon
tonight
is
to
enter
a
contract
which
gives
us
a
due
diligence
period.
And
I
will
commit
to
ordering
a
second
appraisal
on
the
property
council
member
Waring
and
if
you
want
to
recommend
an
appraiser
for
us
to
use
that
can
get
it
done
during
that
due
diligence
period.
E
That
would
be
terrific
and
we'll
we'll
we'll
verify
if,
if
it
doesn't,
if
it
doesn't
meet
we'll
go
back
to
the
buyer,
if
he
won't
sell
it
to
us
at
an
appraised
value,
that's
legitimate,
we'll
walk
from
the
deal.
We
don't
need
to
buy
any
property
above
what
it's
prayed
for.
I
I
can't
speak
as
to
what
the
market
was
two
and
five
years
ago
and
opportunities
lost.
E
You
know,
but,
but
today
is
today
and
we
we
will
order
another
appraisal
upon
y'all's
recommendation
to
make
sure
that
we
wouldn't
pay
more
than
the
appraised
value
for
the
property.
Thank
you.
J
And
to
clarify
I'd
like
to
thank
our
excellent
City
attorney
and
staff
back
there.
They
they
provided
me
some
additional
context.
While
this
discussion
was
taking
place,
so
apparently's
property
was
never
actually
for
sale.
J
So
now
I
appreciate
the
additional
context
that
this
property
was
never
on
the
actual
Market
and
so
in
our
new
real
estate
director
was
not
working
here
at
the
time,
so
there
was
no
way
for
us
to
identify
this
property,
hopefully
in
the
future,
with
the
new
real
estate
director
working
we'll
be
able
to
jump
on
some
better
deals
again,
I
want
to
make
sure
everybody
at
this
table
hears
me.
I
was
not
implying
that
we
are
at
all
paying
above
market
rate.
The
appraisal
makes
it
pretty
clear.
J
A
M
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I'd,
just
like
to
hear
from
Michelle
Johnson
about
what
would
happen
if
we
deferred
and
addressed
councilman
Mitchell's
point
is
that
going
to
cause
this
deal
to
fall
through
okay,
so,
let's
make
sure
we're.
In
fact,
that
was
a
great
point
that
Councilman
Mitchell
made.
K
Are
we
going
to
get?
We
don't
have
to
defer
to
get
a
second
appraisal,
Mr
Bill,
but
the
part
about
losing
the
deal?
Whether
because
if
that
appraisal
doesn't
come
back
at
5.1,
then
we
have
another
issue
to
deal
with
and
we'll
deal
with
that
at
that
time,
but
because
of
the
precious
dollars
that
we
have,
we
have
to
spend
them
wisely.
I
just
want
to
verify
that
that
this
property
is
indeed
worth
5.1
million
dollars.
L
Let's
be
pretty
quick
I'm
looking
at
it
very
seriously,
like
I
said
in
housing
posting.
If
you
look
at
it
and
don't
defer
right
now,
but
just
let's
go
through
and
then
we
see
that
the
market
value
is
different,
then
we
can
come
back
and
make
some
changes
because
be
mindful
even
the
public
housing
in
the
City
of
Charleston
people
they're
moving
people
out
of
it
as
we
look
as
we
speak
right
now.
L
That
looks
like
me
too,
and
others
because
they're
both
living
on
public
housing,
because
that's
the
only
thing
you
can
afford
working
in
these
restaurants
and
hotels,
you
see
so
I'm
looking
at
those
people
who
are
in
need
also
their
neop
housing,
but
they're
not
going
to
be
here
anymore,
because
they're
going
to
be
tearing
those
down
so
they're
moving
them
out,
even
if
you're
going
to
school
right
now,
the
school
population
is
dropping
because
why
they're
moving
these
people
out,
Sanders
Clyde
is
dropping
birth
is
dropping.
Simmons
Pinckney
is
dropping
in
population.
L
They
have
150
kids
right
now
and
some
is
picnic
middle
school
because
the
parents
has
to
move
out
of
the
public
housing
into
somewhere
else,
because
they're
going
to
tear
it
down
because
they're
going
to
rent
a
bed.
So
how
long
is
that
going
to
take?
We
don't
know
so
they're
not
going
to
be
in
the
city
of
Charleston.
L
A
Together
so
we're
back
to
our
original
motion
with
first
and
seconded
and
we've
had
discussion
all
in
favor.
Yes
come
from
about.
H
With
the
amendment
of
a
second
president,.
A
I
H
A
F
A
The
eyes
have
it:
I
will
now
call
on
chairman
Appel.
M
All
right,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman,
the
City
of
Charleston
real
estate
committee,
met
yesterday
afternoon.
First
item
up
was
a
lease
agreement
that
we
approved
over
at
the
Charleston
digital
Corridor
Charleston
digital
tech
center.
This
is
for
the
ground
retail
space
in
the
parking
garage
and
it
will
be
leased
for
the
purposes
of
a
learning
lab
where
classes
will
be
taught
on
all
kinds
of
tech,
stem
and
various
other
types
of
matters.
Part
of
the
goal
here
is
to
help
activate
that
space.
It's
been
vacant
for
a
long
time.
M
There's
been
some
vandalism
issues.
We
heard
some
testimony
about
yesterday
and
this
is
all
being
spearheaded
by
Ernest
Andrade
and
those
guys
over
at
Charleston
digital
Corridor
Foundation,
who
are
doing
a
great
job
to
bring
Tech
entrepreneurs
to
the
peninsula,
and
this
will
help
you
know,
have
a
resource
for
our
youth
in
these
important
Fields,
very
similar
to
what
we're
doing
over
at
the
Boeing
learning
lab
over
on
the
Harbor
that
we're
so
excited
about.
So
it'll
be
coding.
M
Coding
I
mean
you
want
coding,
we
got
you,
you
want
to
learn
about
turtles,
we
got
you
I
mean
the
City
of
Charleston
Knows
No
Limits,
when
it
comes
to
educating
and
learning
and
and
our
youth,
and
not
just
for
kids
in
Charleston,
but
hopefully
kids
from
the
entire
region
that
can
make
use
of
these
spaces
and
really
help
activate
these
areas
that
was
approved
unanimously.
M
The
next
item
up
was
a
lease
agreement
with
none
other
than
the
United
States
Coast
Guard.
For
some,
what
do
they
call?
It
range
lights
on
top
of
the
aquarium
garage
and
the
Charleston
Maritime
Center.
This
is
to
help
ships
navigate
the
harbor
and
this
passed
unanimously.
Of
course,
we
want
to
make
sure
everybody's
safe
on
the
water.
The
next
item
up
was
a
very
exciting
project
for
West
Ashley.
This
is
something
as
council.
Member
shade
pointed
out
is
a
project
taken
straight
from
the
pages
of
the
West
Ashley
revitalization
plan.
M
This
is
long
anticipated
improvements
over
the
corner
of
wapu,
Road
and
Savannah
highway.
The
Limehouse
property
I.
Think.
A
comment
was
made
at
committee
yesterday
that
the
ugliest
building
in
the
City
of
Charleston
is
currently
at
that
corner
yeah,
those
those
that
building's
days
are
numbered
and
what's
really
exciting
as
part
of
this
land
swap
that
we
approved
is
the
Bikeway
is
now
going
to
be
reoriented
to
safely
connect
with
the
greenway.
M
So
you're
really
talking
about
stitching
two
halves
of
West
Ashley
together
and
then
one
day
being
able
to
make
it
across
the
Ashley
River
Bridge,
that's
a
whole
other
story,
but
it's
about
connectivity
and
it's
about
stitching
our
city
together
and
that
was
approved,
and
that
was
done
in
conjunction
with
the
Limehouse
family.
M
That's
worked
very
closely
with
the
mayor's
team
and
our
staff,
and
also
with
great
feedback
and
input
from
all
of
us
to
get
it
over
the
line,
and
it's
really
great
to
see
how
much
this
concept
tracks
from
the
plans
that
were
put
together
many
many
years
ago,
and
it
shows
that
sometimes
plans
are
not
just
pretty
documents
on
a
shelf
or
in
a
PDF.
M
K
Got
a
question:
Mr
chairman
we
had
the
drawing
at
city
council
meeting.
Would
that
be
a
full
display,
Mr
Bean.
M
Councilman
Shane's
got
copies.
It's
pretty
nice
plan
to
look
at
this.
A
M
So
let's
see.
A
C
I
could
comment
about
that
sure.
So,
if
you,
the
front
of
the
page,
came
directly
out
of
plan
West
Ashley
and
if
you
look
at
under
the
key
ideas,
Illustrated
number
c
and
I
pointed
this
out
yesterday
at
our
real
estate
meeting.
This
is
this
is
amazing.
A
land
swap
with
a
property
owner
here
can
ensure
the
connection
to
Savannah
highway
is
completed.
Cyclists
would
continue
along
a
trail
on
the
north
side
of
Savannah
highway
and
cross
at
the
intersection.
This
is
exactly
what
plan
was
actually
recommended.
C
This
is
exactly
what
came
before
the
real
estate
committee
yesterday.
This
is
what's
before
this
Council
today
in
this
little
book,
and
if
y'all
don't
have
a
copy
of
this
anybody
who
represents
across
the
West
Ashley
this.
This
should
be
by
your
bad
side.
This
should
be
your
second
Bible
honestly,
and
here
it
is,
and
it
shows
the
illustrations
on
the
second,
on
the
other
side
of
this
page.
Here's
what
you
just
said
a
few
minutes
ago,
Mr
chairman,
we
pay
for
this
plan
we
get
in
the
money's
worth.
M
You
Mr
chairman,
and
it
goes
to
show
you
you
know.
Sometimes
things
in
West,
Ashley
Can
can
happen
in
a
very
positive
way,
a
very
collaborative
way-
and
this
is
a
certain
example
of
that
and
I'm
very
excited
to
see
that-
and
it
was
approved
unanimously
more
to
come
on
that
the
next
item
up
had
to
do
with
the
relocation
of
the
fire
station
over
on
Cain
Hoy.
This
is
fire
station.
20.
I've
never
been
out
there,
but
I'm
told
it's
a
pretty
tough
situation.
M
This
is
an
agreement.
That's
going
to
help
us
facilitate
a
a
new
station
up
there
and
that
was
approved
unanimously
and
I.
Think
there
was
even
some
comment
committee
to
do
whatever
we
need
to
do
to
move
this
along,
because
it's
important
to
get
our
firefighters
in
a
in
a
better
facility
up
there.
M
We
rounded
it
out
with
an
approval
for
James
Island
Charter
High
School,
to
use
the
pool
at
the
James
Island
rec
center
after
hours-
and
this
is
so
the
High
School
swim
team
can
stay
on
James
Island,
as
opposed
to
have
to
travel
off
the
island,
which
is
I'm
sure
great
for
them
and
their
families.
And
we
were
able
to
do
it
at
a
bit
of
a
discount
too
and
they're
going
to
supply
their
own
lifeguards.
M
We
were
told
which
is
great,
and
then
we
unanimously
approved
five
more
annexations
into
the
City
of.
A
Charleston,
yes,
sir,
before
we
move
forward
on
any
they're
already
using
it
right,
they
started
using
it.
Obviously,
so
this
is
sort
of
an
aperture
fact
approval.
M
That
I'm
not
positive
about
but
either.
M
It's
official
now,
okay,
we're
blessing
it,
which
is
always
good,
and
then
we
approved
the
five
annexations
like
I
mentioned
and
looks
like
District
9
got
one
two
in
District
10
and
then
two
in
District
Seven,
and
that's
it
that's
what
we
did
I'll.
That
concludes
my
report
and
I'll
move
for
it
to
be
accepted
by
Council.
K
Jim,
yes,
Madam
clerk
back
on
item
30.
I
was
a
nay
on
that
good.
K
A
A
Okay,
he
wasn't
okay,
not
a
problem
and
we've
already
voted
on
your
and
approved
it.
Is
there
anything
else
to
come
before
this
committee?
If
not,
this
meeting's
adjourned.