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From YouTube: City Council Sub-Committee of 11-30-20
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City of Chelsea
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A
A
A
Many
of
you
know
that
this
subject
matter
in
particular,
values
of
multi-families
and
commercial,
have
been
something
that
closely
scrutinized.
Over
the
last
couple
of
years,
I
had
been
looking
forward
to
seeing
an
improvement
from
what
I
saw
last
year,
and
I
stated
my
concerns
about
it
meeting
privately
with
the
city
manager
and
the
interim
assessor.
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A
I
will
only
I
don't
want
to
take
up
any
time
only
that
I
could
was
going
to
go
on
and
privately
talk
about
the
values
that
I
saw.
I
will
share
with
anyone
counselor
any
counselor
who
wants
to
privately
look
at
what
my
spreadsheet
states
or
how
I
came
to
my
opinion,
wants
to
I'm
more
than
happy
to
go
over
that
with
you.
I
will
not
do
that
here
tonight.
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A
At
what
point
between
now
and
next
year,
would
you
say,
is
it
possible
to
have
these
numbers
come
to
the
attention
of
the
city
council
so
that
we
can
review
them
before
it
becomes
too
late?
Because
I'm
frustrated
that
november
of
both
years,
when
I'm
reviewing
these
numbers
and
are
not
satisfied
with
the
valuations
that
I'm
told
it's
too
late,
and
these
are
the
numbers.
A
When
would
a
concerned
council
like
myself,
be
able
to
have
a
look
at
those
numbers
and
say
it's
not
an,
I
don't
agree
with
them
and
I
think
something
needs
to
be
done,
because
I
I
don't
want
to
be
back
here
next
november
and
being
told
that
it's
too
late
again.
So
is
it
a
fair
question
for
me
to
ask:
when
is
it
possible
for
us
to
see
those
numbers
and
state
that
it's
not
too
late.
B
B
The
legal
purview
of
a
council
is
twofold:
it
sets
tax
policy
in
terms
of
voting
on
exemptions,
and
it
sets
tax
policy
in
terms
of
determining
what
what
portion
of
the
total
tax
levy
is
born
by
different
classes
of
property,
and
it
does
that
by
either
adopting
or
not
adopting
a
split
tax
rate
and
setting
the
percentage
of
the
tax
shift.
That's
the
only
statutory
authority
you
have,
and
I
have.
B
B
As
you
know,
my
goal
is
to
hire
a
chief
of
assessing
I'm
hopeful
that
that
will
happen
soon
and
my
my
commitment
to
this
council
is
that
a
top
priority
of
that
new
person
will
be
to
take
a
close
look
at
both
large
apartment
buildings
and
commercial
industrial
parcels,
because
I
do
feel
that
that
is
where
our
values
are
not
quite
as
good
as
other
values
in
the
city,
and
so
that
will
be
the
directive.
But
I
will
not
be
able
to
have
that
assessor.
C
B
B
For
tonight,
I
am
recommending
that
you
make
those
policies
policy
decisions
to
the
maximum
extent
allowed
by
law
to
favor
owner
occupied
residential
parcels.
I'm
going
to
recommend
that
you
adopt
a
175
shift,
actually
you're
adopting
a
minimum
residential
factor
that
will
bring
you
to
the
175
shift,
that's
the
maximum
allowed
by
law,
and
I
am
recommending
that
you
adopt
a
35
residential
exemption.
That's
the
maximum
allowed
by
law.
It
will
be
the
first
time
that
we
are
at
that.
B
D
For
you,
so
if
decide
that
we
don't
want
to
vote
for
this
budget,
does
the
budget
still
go
in
effect
by
the
state
or
the
budget
gets
all
caught
up?
I
understand
you
said
that
if
we
voted
the
residential
exemption
goes
away.
You
already
have
done
the
maximum
shift.
So
even
if
we
vote
your
budget
down
right,
what
is
the
outcome?
B
So
you
already
voted
the
budget.
That
vote
has
been
approved.
What
you're
being
asked
tonight
is
vote
tax
policy.
If
you
take
no
vote,
it
simply
means
that
there's
no
residential
exemption
and
there's
no
ability
for
the
city
to
set
a
tax
rate.
Frankly,
I
don't
know
what
the
department
of
revenue
would
do,
because
I'm
not
aware
of
any
city
in
town
in
my
30
years
in
this
business
that
has
refused
to
set
a
tax
rate.
B
All
I
know
is
you
will
not
be
able
to
send
out
a
tax
bill
until
that
happens,
and
that
will
put
the
city
in
significant
financial
jeopardy.
So
I
know
it's
discouraging
not
to
have
control
over
values.
Believe
me,
I
wish
we
had
that
statutory
authority,
but
we
do
not,
and
that
can't
cannot
and
should
not
influence
your
decision
to
take
the
two
votes
that
are
going
to
benefit
residential
owner
occupants
to
the
maximum
allowed
by
law.
So.
D
D
And
it
can
go
up
as
much
as
what
how
much
if
we
wrote
that-
and
you
said
you
already-
did
the
maximum
shift
right-
you
shifted
everything
around
right.
So
now
can
the
city
itself
turn
around
and
individually
say
to
the
single
family
home.
Now
we're
going
to
raise
yours,
50
percent.
Can
they
do
that?
D
B
No,
it
will
the
amount
of
specific
taxes
any
individual
owner
will
pay
will
depend
upon
the
specific
individual
value
of
that
property.
What's
going
to
be
determined
definitively.
Tonight
is
what
the
tax
rate
is.
So
if
you
vote
the
two
votes
that
I'm
recommending
the
maximum
support
possible
for
owner-occupied
residential
properties,
the
tax
rate
for
residential
homeowners
will
be
13.62
cents
per
thousand.
B
B
I
know
what
these
classes
of
property
will
go
up
or
go
down,
so
on
average
I
know
that
single
family
homes,
if
that
is
indeed
the
tax
rate,
will
rise
on
average
about
63
dollars
annually,
I
know
on
average
condominiums
will
drop.
Their
tax
bill
will
go
down
for
all
the
condominiums
in
the
city
on
average,
by
over
two
hundred
dollars.
D
Okay,
one
more
question,
then
I
want
to
ask
you
any
more
questions.
Now
we're
going
to
vote
on
35
right
from
the
figures
that
that
you
gave
me
that
you
gave
us
right.
Well,
35,
2,
3,
family
homeowners,
don't
get
a
benefit,
it
benefits
single
and
condos.
They
get.
What
is
it
a
con?
A
single,
a
condo
will
pay
minus
two
and
the
other
one
something,
but
it
benefits
both
of
them.
So
at
32,
there's
still
two
or
three
family
homeowner
still
gets
a
break
at
35.
D
B
No,
so
I
have
to
correct
you
that
is
not
true
everyone.
Every
every
owner
option
benefits
more
the
higher
the
residential
exemption
is
so
if
the
residential
exemption
were
to
stay
at
where
it
is
where
it
was
for
last
year,
31,
two
family
and
three
family
homeowners
would
pay
even
more
in
taxes,
but.
D
D
B
D
81,
the
2
and
3
still
get
a
break,
but
your
paper,
when
you
increase
it,
they
don't
get
no
break.
The
only
one
that
are
down
is
that
one
in
condos
they'll
be
down
it's
nothing
against
condos
or
anything.
It
has
to
do
with
a
lot
of
people
ranked
homes
they
rent
in
two
and
three
families.
So
if
you
shift
at
all
to
them,
these
people
are
going
to
pay
more.
D
The
landlords
are
going
to
charge
these
people
more
they're
going
to
so
the
tenants
as
the
ones
that
are
gonna
pay
the
difference,
because
a
landlord
really
doesn't
matter
to
him.
If
he
pays
600
or
500.,
like
you
say,
an
average
three
family
house
tax
here
will
go
what
seven
hundred
dollars
correct.
B
D
So
do
you
think
the
landlord
cares
he's
gonna
put
it
on
to
the
tenants,
so
the
tenants
are
the
ones
that
are
gonna
suffer
because
they
won't
be
able
to.
Then
it
depends
what
kind
of
landlord
you
have,
but
to
your
paper
right
from
what
I
see
on
your
statistics
here,
it
says
three
families
still
go
up.
There's
no
minus!
You
look
at
your
condos
in
single
family,
there's
a
minus,
so
minus
means
they're
not
paying
as
much
their
rate
went
down
instead
of
going
up.
So
why
does
a
203
went
up?
D
I
don't
understand
them,
mr
trump,
because
you've
got
single
family
homes
right
that
are
valued
at
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
or
seven
hundred
thousand.
Then
you've
got
three
family
homes
that
are
valuable,
six
hundred
thousand
seven
hundred
thousand.
So
how
is
it?
Can
it
be
that
a
single
family,
that's
valued
almost
as
much
as
a
three
ends
up
paying
a
lot
less
than
a
three
or
two,
an
average
two
family
in
this
city
sells
for
six
hundred
thousand
six
and
a
quarter.
You
can
ask
them.
D
An
average
condo
is
selling
for
600
000.
That's
a
condo!
So
now
you're
going
to
tell
me
that
a
condo
which
is
selling
for
600
is
gonna,
get
minus
four
and
a
three
family.
Homeowner
is
gonna
pay
twice
as
much
when
it's
only
maybe
a
hundred
thousand
dollar
difference
between
them,
because
they've
been
selling
I've
seen
them
roid.
The
council
president
can
attest
to
it.
They
soak
on
those
on
central
lab
for
500
and
600
000
in
each
one.
That's
one
condo!
D
B
D
You
go
on
the
average,
you
say
the
average.
You
don't
particularly
pick
one
house,
you
average
them
out.
So
if
one
house
is
worth
600
and
the
other
condo's
selling
and
100
are
selling
for
three,
then
you're
going
to
get
the
10
condos
that
are
selling
for
three,
because
you're
not
going
one
specific
one
and
you're
doing
the
same
thing
with
truth:
families
right
you're,
not
just
taking
what
the
thing
is
selling
around
that
area.
D
B
B
D
D
I
understand
you
and
something
for
each,
but
that's
not
that's
the
way
you
charge
for
what
it
is
right,
but
that's
not
the
rate
of
the
value
of
the
home
right.
You
determine
what
your
house
tax
is
going
to
be
by
the
value
of
your
home
right,
correct.
That's
what
I
want
the
people
to
understand.
They
don't
determine
that
13
whatever
it
is.
It's
the
value
of
your
home
that
determines
how
much
your
house
is
worth
and
how
much
time
you're
going
to
pay
it
down.
So
it
can
vary
from
place
to
place.
B
D
In
other
words,
I
understand
what
you're
saying
it's
simple:
you
pay
the
same
rate
for
the
landlord.
It
stands
on
your
tax
rate,
but
it's
not
the
same
rate
in
your
tax
rate,
because
they're
going
to
go
by
what
your
house
is
worth
is
that's
the
bottom
line
right.
Isn't
that
what
it
is?
Because
you
say
you
charge
13
in
something
right
for
every
whatever
it
is
right.
D
D
D
D
Value
is
the
one
that
changes
among
the
area
of
our
city
right
and
that
determines
how
much
you're
going
to
pay
right
correct.
That's
all.
I
was
asking
just
that
what
it
is
and
another
question
before
I'm
going
to
go.
Let's
say
next
year:
the
houses
collapse
and
the
houses
are
worth
a
lot
less.
Do
we
pay
less
taxes
or
taxes
stay
the
same.
B
D
A
So
that's
not
correct
counselor.
That
is
not
correct.
The
tax
drops
during
the
recession,
tax
values
did
did,
and
I
remember
specifically
as
an
owner
of
three
family
during
the
worst
parts
of
the
2009.
The
amount
of
taxes
that
I
paid
on
the
three
family
had
gone
down
because
the
value
had
gone
down.
Okay,
so
that
does
happen.
It
does
happen.
Does
that
happen?
D
B
You'd
be
paying
taxes
based
on
the
400
000,
but
I
don't
know
whether
your
actual
bill
would
go
up
or
down,
because
that
would
depend
upon
how
other
values
and
different
classes
are
impacted.
So
I
don't
remember
when
we're
here
we're
going
to
be
going
through
the
same
thing
a
year
from
now
a
year
from
now,
values
are
going
to
be
based
on
sales
that
happened
this
year
in
2020
during
colby.
I
know.
B
E
E
And
my
other
point
is
that
we
we
have
some
non-profits,
that
own
property
and
whether
or
not
that
we're
recruiting
the
kind
of
value
we
should
be
recouping
from
them.
I
know
that
in
the
past
I've
had
this
conversation
with
mary
lou
about,
and
I
know
it's
a
tough
thing,
because
we
might
have
to
go
to
court
to
challenge
what
their
pain
paying
our
supposed
to
what
we
think
they
should
be
paying.
B
E
B
Was
a
case
that
got
issued
in
may
from
the
appellate
tax
board
that
really
hammered
this
home
to
municipalities
and
a
lot
of
values
have
been
adjusted
based
on
that
case.
So
the
bottom
line
is
properties
that
are
subject
to
tax
credits,
low-income
tax
credits
because
they're,
affordable
housing.
They
are
valued
differently
and
must
be
valued
differently,
as
required
by
massachusetts.
E
G
Can
I
speak
yeah
go
ahead?
Okay!
Thank
you,
naomi.
Thank
you,
mr
president.
So
I
just
have
I'm
not
a
tax
expert,
but
I
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
I
do
know,
and
so
I
just
kind
of
want
to.
I
just
want
to
re-emphasize
this,
and
I
want
to
make
a
comment
and
I
want
to
hear
a
commitment
from
the
city
manager.
So
what
I
do
know
is
that
council
laboratory
brought
us
some
information
last
year,
last
year's
city
council
about
the
way
that
properties
are
assessed,
particularly
commercial
properties.
G
And
so
I
hear
you
city
manager,
when
you
are
asking
us
to
shift
the
175
over
to
commercial
and
now
you're,
asking
us
to
go
to
35
for
the
residential
tax
exemption
and
that's
fine
as
counselors.
This
is
what
we're
supposed
to
do
and
use
the
tools
that
we
have
in
our
toolkit
and
employ
them
to
to
counter
these
adverse
effects
on
our
residents.
But
I
feel
like
we're
running
out
of
tools
right
once
we
get
to
35
percent.
G
We
have
nowhere
else
to
go,
and
so
I'm
concerned
that
yeah
we're
talking
about
residential
folks
playing
1362,
but
when
we
really
look
at
the
math
of
some
of
these
commercial
properties
that
they're
paying
very
close
to
that
as
well-
and
that's
a
little
concerning
to
me.
So
I
guess
my
fear
is
we're
in
the
middle
of
a
pandemic.
We
know
people
have
lost
jobs.
G
People
are
struggling
and
I'm
extremely
concerned
that
this
has
not
been
a
priority,
and
so
I
want
to
hear
something
a
little
stronger
than
yeah
we're
going
to
hire
someone
to
look
into
these
properties.
I
want
to
hear
that
we're
actually
going
to
do
something
about
it,
because
I
am
really
tired
of
the
little
man
and
small
business
small
homeowners
bearing
the
burden
of
the
economy
and
carrying
the
world
on
our
backs.
G
While
these
big
businesses
and
big
people
with
the
with
the
capacity
to
be
able
to
pay
more
getting
getting
these
breaks-
and
so
I
want
to
hear
something
a
little
bit
more
aggressive,
then
yeah
I'm
looking
to
hire
someone.
I
want
to
know
that
we're
going
to
aggressively
get
on
top
of
this,
because
this
is
not
something
that
we're
just
learning
about,
and
we
know
that
the
effects
of
covid
we're
going
to
see
them
in
the
future.
B
So
it
is
my
I
want
to
take
a
very
close
look
at
both
large
apartment
buildings
and
commercial
industrial
properties,
and
that
was
our
goal
a
year
ago,
but
we
were
stymied
by
unforeseen
circumstances.
We
were
hit
by
covet
and
we
lost
a
chief
assessor,
so
it
made
it
very
difficult
for
us
to
make
a
whole
lot
of
progress
in
this
assessing
area.
B
Our
goal
was
to
hire
an
expert
to
help
us
specifically
on
commercial
industrial
properties.
You
couldn't
get
an
expert
during
covert
to
come
out
here
and
do
that
kind
of
work.
So
it
is
my
intention
to
hire
a
chief
assessor
and
make
this
a
top
priority,
including
hiring
the
expert
if
we
need
outside
expertise,
is
to
hire
that
person
to
assist
the
assessor
to
better
value.
These
larger
parcels,
including
both
multi,
both
large-scale
apartment,
buildings
and
commercial
industrial
costs.
B
Now
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
raise
those
values
by
40
next
year
that
the
department
of
is
not
going
to
allow
you
to
have
that
kind
of
extraordinary
increase
in
any
one
class
of
property.
But
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
take
a
careful
look
and
if
some
of
these
possibles
are
undervalued,
which
I
have
no
doubt
some
are
I
mean
it
would
be
crazy
for
me
to
stand
up
here
and
pretend
that
our
values
are
perfect.
B
They
are
far
from,
but
I
do
expect
that
we'll
be
able
to
make
progress
each
year
in
making
these
values
closer
to
their
actual
real
assessed
value,
and
it's
those
two
areas
that
I
have
the
most
concern
about.
I
feel
that
we
pretty
accurately
assess
singles
twos,
threes
and
fours,
because
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
that
at
the
specific
direction
of
the
department
of
revenue.
B
Remember
as
mary
who
pointed
out
when
she
first
arrived
here,
she
was
under
a
director
from
dor
to
carefully
look
at
all
values
and
she
had
to
start
with
the
properties
that
had
the
highest
numbers
in
the
city
and
those
are
singles
condos,
twos
and
threes.
So
doi
required
her
to
focus
there
first,
I
think
we're
pretty
good
on
those
values.
Now
we
need
to
focus
on
these
areas
where
there
may
be
some
concern.
B
G
B
I
do
I
do
want
to
the
one
thing,
and
I
agree
with
you:
this
is
the
last
year
we
can
use
this
particular
tool
of
the
residential
exemption
increase.
I
think
we've
been
pretty
circumspect
in
slowly
using
that
when
you
know
five
years
ago,
when
I
first
arrived,
we
were
at
20
percent.
We
slowly
ratcheted
up
that
residential
exemption
each
year
to
allow
ourselves
some
room
remember.
Last
year
we
only
raised
it
by
one
percent.
B
My
recommendation
is
to
use
the
remaining
four
percent
this
year
we
don't
have
to,
but
given
the
hardships
created
by
covid,
I
feel
like
this
is
probably
the
year
to
use
that
remaining
piece
that
doesn't
mean
that
next
year,
there's
not
going
to
be
a
tax
increase
and
people
are
going
to
be
just
as
upset,
but
hopefully
they're
not
facing
outside
economic
hardships.
Over
and
above
a
property
tax
increase,
which
is
what
people
are
facing
this
year,.
G
We
we're
falling
short
and
it
falls
on
the
backs
of
the
people
that
actually
help
to
keep
residents
in
the
city,
the
people
that
are
fighting
against
gentrification,
the
people
that
have
been
here
through
the
good
through
the
bag,
and
we
continue
to
shaft
them,
and
we
just
need
to.
I
just
want
to
see
more
urgency.
I
feel
like
I'm
beating
a
dead
horse
I'll
stop.
Now.
I.
B
A
A
B
The
first
actual
tax
bill
is
mailed
on
january
1,
and
so
typically,
you
have
until
the
end
of
january,
to
file
for
an
abatement.
You
have
to
do
it
within
that
window.
The
statutory
rules
are
strict
if
you're
one
day
late.
You
are
out
of
luck.
You
have
to
file
within
that
30-day
window
so
to
be
on
the
safe
side
file
before
january
30th,
but
everyone
who
thinks
their
value
is
inaccurate,
whether
you're
a
commercial
industrial
owner
or
you're
a
residential
owner.
B
You
have
a
statutory
right
to
seek
an
abatement
and
we
give
lots
of
abatements
to
people,
people,
people
file
abatements,
all
the
time.
The
assessors
take
a
look.
They
go
inside
the
home.
They
may
find
something
that
they
didn't
know.
It
may
be
older
than
they
thought
they
may
have
the
wrong.
Some
specific
facts
about
the
house
may
be
inaccurate.
They
come
in
the
home.
They
assess
it
and
they
can
adjust
your
tax
bill.
So
that's
a
statutory
right,
but
again
it
can
only
be
exercised
within
30
days
of
that
first
bill.
A
Tom-
I
don't
see
alex
here,
but
okay,
so
we'll
come
back
to
that.
I
just
have
a
question.
You
state
that
it
would
be
very
difficult
for,
say,
properties
to
come
in
one
year,
be
one
value
and
then
another
to
rise,
a
value
of
40
percent,
that
there
will
be
some
objections
to
that
sort
of
dramatic
increase
from
dor.
But
I
asked
you
in
certain
instances.
A
A
That
obviously
was
way
above
the
40
percent.
Additionally,
in
our
private
meeting,
we
saw
by
mistake.
Evaluation
went
from
a
parking
lot.
That
was
a
five
million
dollars,
six
million
dollars
today
it's
41
million
dollars.
Obviously
that
was
a
much
higher
rate
than
four
percent,
then
40.
So
I'm
asking
you
if
there
are.
A
Methods
of
actually
going
out
and
properly
evaluating,
you
know
parcels
and
it's
above
the
40
percent.
Why
do
you
think
that
dor
would
object
if
somehow
we
were
able
to
show
that
they
were
very
much
undervalued
and
or
can
be
increased
by
that
over
40,
because
I've
seen
it
individually
on
parcels?
So
I'm
I'm
curious
to
ask.
Why
do
you
think
that
if
we
as
a
council,
send
the
marching
orders
to
the
assessor's
office
say
we
believe
that
there's
an
undevaluation
of
commercial
and
multi-families
in
our
in
in
our
city
that
somehow
dor
would
state?
B
Yeah,
I
just
there's
no
question
that
individual
parcels
can
go
up
more
than
40,
I'm
just
saying
if
the
dor
saw
that
your
entire
class
of
commercial
properties
went
up
by
40
or
your
entire
class
of
nine
plus
upon
units
went
up
by
forty
percent,
every
one
went
up
just
by
forty
percent.
I
think
that
would
raise
eyebrows
at
dor
now,
if
somehow
you
were
able
to
when
they
raised
eyebrows
and
came
back
to
the
assassin
and
said
this
doesn't
seem
right,
it's
not
possible
and
somehow
the
assessors
were
able
to
establish.
B
You
know
to
the
dor
satisfaction
that
no,
in
fact,
we've
done
this.
This
is
why
every
one
of
these
parcels
went
up
by
40.
Yes,
I
just
think
that's
unrealistic
to
think
in
one
year
you're
going
to
capture
that
level
of
value
so
just
trying
to
get
expectations
where
they
should
be.
I
I
do
think
that
our
goal
should
be
to
look
carefully
at
these
properties.
I
just
I
don't
want
the
expectation
to
think
next
year
that
I'll
be
up
by
50
percent
and
will
have
shifted
this
whole
amount
of
value
to
commercial
industrial
parcels.
B
C
What
is
my
concern
about
a
commercial
and
industrial
buildings
paying
less
than
a
family
homeowner
who
lives
and
tried
to
survive
at
chelsea,
and
I
see
that
I
can
understand
that,
and
also
if
we
give
the
35
percent
right,
how
can
we
help
homeowners
next
year
to
give
them
a
break
on
taxes?
How
can
can
we.
B
Help
them
we
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
give
taxpayers
any
further
break
next
year.
35
is
the
max
that,
what's
the
legislature
allows
for
a
higher
percentage,
which
is
very
unlikely,
we
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
give
more
of
a
break,
and
I
can
tell
you
it's
not
our
desire
to
under
tax
commercial
industrial
parcels.
I
can
tell
you
that
many
commercial
industrial
owners
think
they
are
overvalued.
B
B
B
Seven,
that's
an
average,
so
it
doesn't
mean
every
owner.
Every
owner,
occupant
of
a
three-family
home,
is
going
to
end
up
paying
another
767
dollars,
but
the
370
owner
occupied
three
family
owners
on
average
will
pay
that
some
will
pay
more.
Some
will
pay
less,
that's
just
an
average,
but
it's
the
only
way
we
can.
We
can
only
calculate
by
averages.
You'd
have
to
look
at
each
individual
owner's
value
to
determine
how
much
more
or
less
they're
going
to
be
paying
compared
to
last
year.
A
A
2800
properties
are
taken
advantage
of
owner
occupancy,
and
the
question
here
is
that
there's
some
concern
by
the
counselors
that
homeowners
will
not
be
able
the
owner
occupant
homeowners
will
not
be
able
to
benefit
from
this
extra
seven
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
if
it
wasn't
a
better
way
to
try
to
direct
the
750
to
owner
occupants
via
a
different
type
of
program
and
a
scale,
for
example,
for
every
condo
owner
for
every
single
family
owner.
They
get
150
and
every
two
family
250
dollars
credit
and
every
three
family
350..
A
B
I
would
say
anything's
possible,
but
what
you
propose,
I
would
not
recommend
I
doing
it
through
the
homeowners
stabilization
program
will
allow
for
us
to
help
those
people
who
are
really
facing
a
hardship
by
this
tax
increase.
You
know,
I
know
people
won't
like
his,
but
not
every
person
who
has
to
face
a
tax
increase
is
going
to
be
in
a
hardship
situation.
We
have
lots
of
people
who
aren't
necessarily
impacted
by
that
they
may
have
they
may
their
job
may
have
not
been
impacted
they
may
have.
B
You
know
they
may
be
in
a
much
better
financial
position.
We
can
help
those
who
need
the
help
most
by
having
a
program
that
simply
says
apply.
This
is
just
one
factor
we're
going
to
look
at
I.
What
I'm
concerned
about
is
currently
the
homeowner
stabilization
program.
The
program
that
we
have
to
help
homeowners
is
insufficiently
funded.
It's
only
funded
at
250
000
that
came
exclusively
from
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
board.
B
We
funded
the
rental
assistance
program
at
2.5
million
dollars,
so
I
want
to
give
at
least
a
million
dollars
towards
this
homeowner
fund
to
have
homeowners,
who
really
are
impacted.
Not
just
by
the
property
tax
potential
increase,
although
that
could
exacerbate
this
situation,
but
just
generally
impacted
by
colvin.
B
I
think
the
best
way
we
can
help
those
people
is
have
this
program
where,
if
they're
impacted,
whether
it's
far
because
a
renter's
not
paying
them
rent
they've
got
other
kinds
of
bills:
they've
lost
their
job
or
that
and
or
their
property
tax
just
went
up
and
it's
exacerbating
their
existing
situation.
They
can
apply
and
it's
a
our
applications
tend
to
be
quite
simple
and
based
on
self-certification.
B
B
Many
condo
owners
will
actually
pay
less
in
taxes
this
year,
so
they
might
not
need
this
assistance
now.
Some
who
are
paying
less
in
taxes
may
still
need
assistance.
They
would
benefit.
They
have
the
opportunity
at
least
to
benefit
from
this
program,
but
this
is
a
policy
decision,
I'm
giving
you
my
best
advice
as
to
the
best
policy
to
deal
with
this,
but
I'm
trying
to
be
fair
to
homeowners,
given
how
much
we've
contributed
to
the
rental
assistance
fund
seems
to
me.
B
B
B
H
Thank
you
tom,
so
I
don't
have
a
whole
lot
to
add.
I
I
do
want
to
echo
what
the
city
manager
was
saying
about
the
kind
of
regressive
nature
of
tax
increases
so
for
our
homeowner
stabilization
program
right
now,
we're
serving
a
low
and
moderate
income
population
that
low
and
moderate
income
population
will
be
extremely
burdened
by
any
increase
in
their
taxes,
including
this
increase
you're
discussing
higher
income.
Homeowners
may
not
be,
or
they
may
be,
but
at
a
at
a
lesser
amount.
H
The
way
we
have
the
program
structured
right
now
is
to
really
take
into
consideration
those
low
and
moderate
income
homeowners
and
provide
the
relief
necessary
for
them.
One
option
to
consider,
though,
would
be
to
have
a
funding
award
set
at
the
amount
their
taxes
are
increased.
So
if
my
taxes
go
up
400
a
year,
we
could
set
a
policy
that
I
could
only
seek
400
a
year
through
this
expanded
program.
That
way,
you
know
we'll
be
able
to
serve
a
greater
number
of
those
2
800
owner
occupants.
H
We
have
about
75
applications.
We
fielded
thus
far
through
the
existing
program.
I
don't
expect
that
we'll
have
sufficient
funds
to
serve
all
of
those,
given
the
amount
of
funding
that
they've
all
requested
and
given
the
hardship
those
homeowners
have
experienced.
So
I
do
think
this
is
the
best
vehicle
in
order
to
mitigate
the
impact
of
this
tax
increase.
B
If
I'm
asking
to
come
out
of
general
stabilization,
we
don't
have
any
free
cash
available,
yet
free
cash
will
be
certified.
As
of
the
close
of
june
30th.
I
expect
that
certification
sometime
in
january,
and
I
do
think
we
will
have
some
free
cash
available
eve
despite
the
difficulties
in
fy
20,
but
it
won't
be
available
until
sometime
in
january
or.
B
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that.
I
expect
we
will.
It
depends
on
what
our
books
look
like
as
we
come
to
a
close
in
fy
20,
but
given
the
revenues
in
fy
20,
which
did
not
drop
off
as
precipitously
as
you
might
have
thought,
I
do
think
we're
going
to
end
that
year
with
some
decent
number
number
in
free
cash.
I
just
don't
know
what
that
will
be.
I
B
B
I
I
B
Yeah
I
mean
it
is
hard
to
say
what's
going
to
happen,
I
I
imagine
fy
22
is
going
to
be
an
equally
tough
fiscal
year,
but
the
hope
is
that
by
fy
23
things
are
much
different
and
that's
sort
of
anyone's
guess
depends
upon.
A
vaccine
depends
upon
a
lot
of
the
economy
coming
back
and
I
think
that's
way
beyond
anyone's
real
knowledge
as
to
what's
likely
to
happen,
I
would
expect
that
fy
22
is
going
to
be
an
equally
tough
year
and
we're
probably
going
to
have
to
use
the
same
level
of
reserves.
I
B
A
J
Thank
you,
as
we
had
mentioned
in
the
meeting
the
other
day
for
us
to
make
a
lot
of
these
adjustments.
We
have
to
have
a
valid
business
reason.
It's
not
saying
we
can't
go
up
40,
but
we
have
to
exhaust
reasonable
resources
in
order
to
do
so.
That's
why
I
mentioned
the
income
and
expense
forms
we're
not
getting
a
great
return
or
cooperation
from
the
business
building
owners.
J
We
can
institute
a
fine
if
they
don't
comply.
If
they
don't,
let
us
in
we'll
give
them
the
option,
there's
not
a
requirement
to.
They
don't
have
to
let
us
into
their
building
to
inspect
it.
We
give
them
that
option
now
that
we've
again,
we
gave
them
the
option.
If
they
say
no,
we
can
make
assumptions
and
from
there
once
we
get
all
our
ducks
in
a
row.
We
do
the
analysis.
J
We
have
to
gather
the
data,
then
we
analyze
it
through
co-star
and
we
look
at
all
the
other
ratios.
The
potential
gross
income
vacancy
rates
by
class,
because,
even
though
the
commercial
income
producing
properties-
and
they
may
be
in
a
appraisal,
class
of
112
submissions
to
9
or
greater
they'll-
be
different
classes
based
upon
the
quality
and
conditions.
So
there's
some
subjective
areas
that
we
can
look
into
and
we
can
make
those
assumptions
based
upon
building
permits
pulled
effective
year
built
if
it's
a
10
year
old
building.
J
It
feels
safe
to
call
it
a
10
year,
effective
age,
so
that
depreciation
number
will
be
different
and
again
as
long
as
we
can
back
up
all
of
our
data.
We
can
go
ahead
and
make
those
adjustments,
people
will
block
they'll
come
in
they'll
file,
abatements,
that's
fantastic!
Then
they
have
to
let
us
in
we
can
if
we
find
out
while
we're
way
off
in
our
assumptions,
we'll
grant
them
the
abatements.
If,
if
they
don't
like
that,
we
don't
grant
them
the
board
of
assassins,
I
should
say:
doesn't:
grant
them
the
abatement.
J
They
have
the
right
to
go
the
appellate
tax
board
and
that's
right.
Now.
We
have
about
150
cases
this
year
that
people
are
disagree
with
our
values,
but
as
long
as
we
have
a
valid
business
reason
for
going
in
and
when
we
get
somebody
else
on
board,
that'll
free
up
some
of
the
office
most
likely
myself
that
can
go
out
and
do
that
now.
J
You
know
I
came
to
this
office
two
years
ago
we
had
a
batting
order
start
with
the
condos,
go
all
the
way
down,
because
that
75
of
all
properties
are
residential
and
those
values.
I'm
I'm
content
with.
I
think
they're
good
for
the
condos
one
twos
and
threes.
That's
the
greatest
relief
to
the
taxpayer
by
taking
those
first,
even
though
the
values
of
the
commercial
properties
are
larger,
there's
fewer
of
them,
so
the
weighted
average
of
the
value
is
much
lower.
J
So
we
can
go
after
those,
but
by
going
in
the
order,
condos
to
ones
to
twos
to
threes
it
had
a
it
best
had
a
greater
impact
to
the
residents
of
the
city
and,
like
I
said
I
will
give
you
my
word
is
going
out
there
and
hitting
the
hitting
the
pavement.
It's
just
a
matter
of
getting
somebody
else
in
here
to
take
over
the
office.
I
I've
been
appraising
for
30
years.
G
Thank
you.
I
just
just
just
a
question.
I
know
it's
not
really
related
to
that.
Actually,
it
is.
I
just
does
assessors
have
the
capacity
to
undergo
this
project,
because
I
know
we
had
mary
lou
before
we
still
had
the
issue
now
we're
down
mary
lou
we're
in
a
pandemic,
we're
looking
for
a
chief,
but
is
that
enough
to
be
able
to
undergo
this
task
at
hand.
J
We
will
we
will
augment
this
with
the
consultant
that
will
we'll
bring
in,
but
the
amount
of
properties.
Again
we've
gone
through
the
6500,
so
we've
inspected
over
four
thousand
properties
in
the
past
couple
years.
So
now
it
frees
us
up
for
the
the
112's
and
nine
nine
units
and
greater,
I
think,
there's
only
338
properties.
J
J
E
G
J
So
again,
it's
just
if
somebody
could
relieve
me
get
me
out
of
the
office
get
back
on
the
road,
it's
very
difficult,
even
with
covid.
Nobody
wants
to
let
us
in
they
don't
have
to
let
us
in,
but
we
can
start
doing
some
things,
re-measuring
getting
basically
gathering
our
data,
it's
tech.
The
technology,
has
changed
tremendously
with
some
of
the
things
we
have
available,
that
we've
never
had
in
the
past,
which
will
increase
the
productivity
yeah.
Thank.
D
A
simple
question:
if
people
come
back
and
when
I
get
their
house,
they
say
they
their
value.
Their
value
is
too
much
right.
They
come
to
you
right.
You
go
and
check
them
out
right.
Then
you
go
inside
their
house
and
you
check
everything
right
in
your
experience.
Is
it
worth
it
to
them
to
get
it
or
it's
not
because
from
what
I
understand
a
lot
of
times
when
people
come
and
tell
them
that
they
want
to
revalue
their
house,
it
ends
up
costing
him
more
money.
J
J
That's
it
is
what
it
is.
If
that's
what
they
did
to
their
property,
they
should
pull
the
permit
number
one.
We
would
have
seen
it.
We
would
have
been
getting
that
tap
on
the
shoulder.
That
does
work
going
with
you,
but
we
do
lower
people
as
well.
I've
gone
into
a
number
last
year
because
there
were
card
corrections.
There
was
an
error
in
the
data
from
from
a
long
time
ago,
we
re-measured
we
walked
around.
We
looked
at
everything
and
said
this
isn't
correct.
J
I
changed
the
measurements,
take
a
few
feet
off
whatever
it
may
be,
and
the
values
do
get
lowered.
Most
of
the
time
people
will
come
down
and
complain
about
the
tax
bill.
We
don't
control
the
tax
bill.
We
can.
We
give
them
the
valuation
if
they
have
an
issue
with
it
with
the
amount
of
money
they
pay.
J
I
can't
give
an
opinion
either
way,
it's
their
right
to
do
so,
and
if
they
don't
agree
with
the
voter
who
says
if
they
were
to
get
denied,
they
can
go
to
the
tax
board.
So
there's
two
levels
of
recourse,
above
and
beyond
our
opinion,
because
an
evaluation
is
just
an
opinion
about
an
appraisal
is
just
an
opinion
evaluation.