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C
Thank
you
chuck
lane
economic
development
housing
department
at
the
october
18th
community
redevelopment
agency
meeting
cra
director
cra
director
amanda
thompson,
provided
an
update
for
you
regarding
the
proposed
tax
credit
housing
development
project
planned
for
610
franklin
street.
That,
of
course,
is
where
fire
station
45
was
previously
located.
C
I
recall
in
2019
the
cra
put
out
an
rfp
to
attract
tax
credit
developers
to
submit
proposals
for
housing
development
at
the
site,
blue
sky
communities.
Llc
was
a
successful
respondent
on
cra.
Excuse
me,
the
cra
entered
into
a
contract
to
sell
the
property
to
blue
sky
and
they
proceeded
to
submit
an
application
to
florida
housing
finance
corporation
under
their
nine
percent
tax
credit
program.
That's
their
most.
That's
florida,
housing's,
most
highly
funded
and
highly
competitive
program.
C
City
council
approved
this
loan
on
october
1
2020.,
so
ms
tom,
mrs
thompson's
presentation
last
month
explained
a
funding
gap
that
has
developed
and
it's
threatening
the
financial
feasibility
of
the
project.
Since
blue
sky
submitted
its
application
to
florida,
housing
total
development
costs
have
increased
about
5.4
million
dollars.
This
is
mostly
due
to
the
sharp
increases
in
construction
costs.
We've
seen
during
the
pandemic.
C
C
So
the
october
18th
cra
discussion,
you
asked
staff
to
recommend
a
funding
strategy
in
response
to
blue
sky's
request.
So
the
first
thing
we
did
is
we
asked
blue
sky
to
increase
the
percentage
of
its
developer
fee.
So
by
doing
so,
a
larger
portion
of
the
developer
fee
is
paid
for
future
cash
flows
rather
than
the
closing
table.
So
more
funding
is
available
for
the
upfront
capital
outlay.
This
will
provide
an
additional
380,
389
thousand
dollars
to
apply
directly
to
that
funding
gap.
C
Staff
is
proposing
an
additional
1.8
million,
using
funding
from
state
and
federal
sources.
We're
proposing
three
three
additional
loans:
a
150
000
loan
using
ship
funds,
state
housing
initiative,
partnership
program
funds,
an
additional
home
loan
in
the
amount
of
775
000.
As
you
know,
the
home
investment
partner
partnership
program
is
funded
by
hud.
C
C
C
This
is
very
typical
of
these
types
of
projects
and
typical
of
the
work
we
do
in
the
housing
division
so
just
to
briefly
touch
on
loan
terms.
The
initial
loan
for
610
thousand
dollars
is
approved
by
council
previously
will
have
a
four
percent
interest
rate.
The
staff
is
recommending
a
zero
percent
interest
rate
for
the
additional
loans.
C
All
loans
will
be
deferred
through
the
construction
period
and
will
be
paid
back
over
the
following
20
years,
if
approved
by
council
staff
will
need
to
prepare
a
substantial
amendment
to
our
consolidated
plan
to
budget
these
expenses
and
I'll
come
back
to
you
at
a
later
date
to
request
approval
of
that
amendment.
I'm
sean
wilson,
president
of
blue
sky,
is
here
today.
If
you
have
any
questions
of
him,
and
that
concludes
my
presentation
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
Before
we
go
to
questions,
I
am
associated
with
raymond
james
financial
services.
This
is
some
of
the
money
coming
through
from
tax
credits
and
raymond
james
bank,
which
is
a
different
entity,
but
it
is
all
under
raymond
james
financial
umbrella.
I
need
to
disclose
that
the
city
attorney
a
little
ambiguous
but
believes
that
I
can
vote
on
this.
I
do
not
need
to
recuse
myself,
but
I
need
to
disclose
the
fact
that
we
do
clear
through
raymond
james
any
questions
from
mr
lane.
D
Yeah,
I
have
I'm
excited
about
this
project
and
hope
it
goes
forward.
But
I
had
a
couple
of
questions
on
the
legislative
text
so
that
first
page
document-
and
I
think
you
answered
one
or
I
connected
the
dots,
so
it
states-
blue
pierce
or
yeah
blue
pierce,
also
agreed
to
increase
its
deferred
developer
fee,
which
will
reduce
the
portion
of
the
developer
fee
paid
at
closing
by
389.22,
which
would
directly
contribute
to
filling
that
gap.
So
developers
have
to
pay
a
fee
normally
at
closing,
just
to
be
developers
in
our
city.
C
It's
a
fee
paid
to
the
developer
through
the
project
through
the
project
revenue,
it's
paid
to
the
developer,
that's
incentive
to
develop
or
to
build
projects
like
this.
D
Okay
and
he's
gonna
they're
gonna
defer
it
until
okay,
that's
fine,
and
then
I
had
just
a
question.
The
last
sentence.
There
says
the
final
county
grant
amount
if
approved
will
be
based
on
the
property's
appraised
value.
Is
that
the
property
as
it
is
now
or
what
we
anticipate
the
value
after
it
gets
they're.
C
I
believe
2019,
if
I'm
not,
maybe
I'm
not
sure
it
was
19
or
12
19
19
and
it
was
appraised.
I
think
the
higher
of
the
appraised
values
was
2
million.
Okay,.
C
I
think
I
think
fairly
likely,
I
think
it's.
I
certainly
can't
speak
that
for
them,
but
I
think
this
project
fits
right
in
line
with
what
what
their
goals
are
of
that
program.
D
Okay
and
and
then
I
guess
the
the
background
paragraph,
my
notation
is,
do
you
have
any?
D
E
D
All
right-
and
then
I
guess
I'll
just
you
know,
make
make
the
point
that
you
know
the
staff
recommendation
and
then
the
nine
story,
81
unit,
housing,
development,
two
story,
81
parking
space
and
the
mix
of
ami-
is
exactly
what
our
pinellas
county
housing
compact
lays
out
that
we
need
to
be
doing,
and
so
I
think
I
think
it's
a
a
great
project
and
I
hope
it
goes
forward,
and
the
other
point
I
guess
I'd
make
is
that
if
these
cost
increases
are
due
to
building
materials
increase,
then
every
municipality
is
experiencing
these
kinds
of
things
that
have
affordable
housing
projects
queued
up
or
something
right,
so
we're
not
unique,
and
if
we
want
more
affordable
housing
in
our
community.
C
F
I'm
also
very
glad
that
you
found
a
way
to
make
this
possible
and
I
sure
hope
we
we
go
with
this.
If
the
county
doesn't
come
up
with
the
two
million
dollars,
is
our
commitment
based
on
their
decision.
C
I
I
don't
anticipate
that
we'll
increa,
what
will
increase
our
our
commitment
that
would
be
on
blue
sky
if
they
wanted
to
fill
the
remainder
of
the
gap
or
if
they
had
the
ability
to
do
so.
That
would
be
a
decision.
They'd
have
to
make
yeah
and
in
fact,
if
the
county,
if
the
county
commitment
comes
in
at
a
higher
amount,
we
anticipate
that
we
would
lower
our
amount
to
fill
only
the
gap.
Okay,
okay,.
G
Now
my
my
whole
thing
here
is
there's.
This
is
a
difficult
piece
of
property.
I
mean
it's
physical
location.
Is,
I
don't
think
very
attractive
for
a
lot
of
different
uses?
We're
only
talking
81
units
here,
it's
not
like
we're
building
250
or
some
of
that
nature,
but
these
numbers
are.
G
G
C
G
I
I
mean
I'm,
I'm
conflicted,
I
mean
it's,
it's
an
awful
lot
of
money
for
81
units,
but
it's
a
difficult
property
to
do
anything
else
with
you
know
somebody
said:
well,
we
could
get
a,
we
could
get
a
brewery
in
there.
I
don't
think
anybody
wants
to
put
a
brewery
right
next
to
the
police
station,
those
those
two
just
don't
those
are
not
symbiotic
partners.
G
H
I've
always
like
this
project:
that's
workforce,
housing,
downtown,
it's
a
great
spot,
location,
wise
to
transit,
and
we
just
don't
have
enough
of
this
in
clearwater.
So
this
is
a
great
start,
so
I've
been
the
only
hiccup
in
this
was
the
additional
cost.
H
After
the
you
know,
after
they
didn't
get
their
funding
the
first
time
around,
I
didn't
think
they
were
going
to
get
it
the
second
time
they
did,
and
I
can
tell
you
I've
been
involved
with
that
sort
of
of
funding
before
and
it's
it's
difficult,
as
with
all
kinds
of
you
know
funding,
so
I
was
happy
to
see
that
they
got
it
and
the
only
hiccup
was
the
difference.
H
Now
the
rising
costs-
and
I'm
glad
you-
I
think
you
know
these
different
loan
programs
to
fill
the
gap-
is
better
than
putting
it
on
the
cra.
So
I'm
for
that.
A
Well,
I
think
we're
making
a
terrible
mistake
by
funding
this
81
units
does
not
move
the
needle.
A
I
think
we
need
to
think
beyond
just
the
affordable
housing
component
here,
but
I
think
we
need
to
think
strategically
about
downtown
as
a
whole.
Psta
did
not
get
the
money
in
this
latest
round
of
funding
to
move
the
depot
over
to
court
and
myrtle,
and
we've
been
in
conversations
about
a
new
city
hall.
A
So
I
just
think
that
you
know
they
have
gotten
several
bites
of
the
apple.
I
think
the
city's
been
patient,
but
I
think
it
is
the
wrong
decision
and
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
this
more
strategically
than
just
a
single
project.
I
think
it's
a
nice
project.
I
think
the
developer
has
great
qualifications
and
has
done
good
work
around
the
tampa
bay
area.
It's
not
a
matter
of
that.
A
It's
all
about
thinking
beyond
just
a
single
project
and
thinking
about
the
entire
downtown
and
being
strategic
in
what
we
do
and
I
think
if
you
approve
this
you're
playing
checkers
and
we
need
to
be
playing
chess
and
I
just
think
it's
a
terrible
mistake.
I
won't
put
it
on
consent
because
I
will
be
voting
against
it
on
thursday
night,
whether
I'm.
E
A
F
F
I'm
not
sure.
If,
if
we
want
a,
you
know
a
nice
shiny,
new
scientology
property
at
that
prime
location
either,
I
would
rather
see
people
having
a
place
to
live
work
and
play
downtown
and
yeah.
It's
it
it's
costly,
but
I
I
think
it's
gonna
be
worth
it.
We
don't
have
any
other
developers
coming
up
to
our
chessboard,
so
maybe
a
game
of
checkers
is
okay
right
now,.
A
With
all
due
respect,
I
mean
the
information
you
just
asked
for
was
in
the
agenda
item,
but
it's
not
even
a
new
shiny
building,
potentially
for
them,
as
it
could
be
a
new
shiny
building
for
us
and
that
new
shiny
building
may
go
somewhere
where
you
really
don't
want
it
like
between
chestnut
and
the
court
or
right
on
fort
harrison
in
court.
D
D
Of
2019
and
we've
worked
with
blue
sky
and
they
didn't
get
their
funding
and
then
we
waited
and
they
re
resubmitted,
and
now
we've
have
you
know
some
challenges
with
covet.
D
D
I
want
to
open
it
up
for
a
potential
trade
or
someone
who
might
be
interested
in
in
that
property,
namely
the
church,
and
that's
why
I
asked
the
question:
what
was
the
background?
How
many
respondents
did
you
get?
I
mean
when
you
put
out
an
rfp
and
the
property's
there,
people
need
to
respond
and
then,
if
they
do
or
don't
we
make
our
decision
and
move
on.
But
this
I
don't
like
this
back
and
forth.
I
I
just
don't
think
it
sends
a
good
message.
I
think
this
is
a
great
project.
D
D
I
still
want
affordable
housing
in
my
community,
and
so
this
is
what
we
have
to
do
to
get
it.
So
that's
those
are,
you
know,
that's
my
thought.
Process.
A
A
B
Approve
the
term
sheet
to
modify
the
terms
of
an
existing
loan
between
the
city
of
clearwater
and
green
greenwood
apartments
llc,
and
to
facilitate
a
change
of
ownership.
Debt
repayment,
restructure
and
substantial
rehabilitation
of
palmetto
park
apartments
and
authorize
the
appropriate
officials
to
execute
instruments
required
to
the
effect
closing
of
the
transfer
of
the
property.
Mr
lien.
C
C
Of
the
apartment
complex,
mr
hess,
flew
in
from
massachusetts
last
night.
I
thank
him
for
being
here.
Mr
hess
has
initiated
and
led
the
transaction
I'm
about
to
describe
and
he's
he'll
he's
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
of
him.
Miss
icy
gully
is
also
with
us
today.
Ms
gulley
is
the
recently
recently
retired,
ceo
of
the
clearwater
neighborhood
housing
services
and
still
serves
as
a
consultant
for
them.
She
had
a
shorter
commute
this
morning.
C
Her
organization
has
financial
interest
in
palmetto
park
apartments
and
no
one
knows
better
than
miss
gully.
How
important
palmetto
park
apartments
is
to
the
north
greenwood
community.
So
palmetto
park,
apartments,
formerly
known
as
greenwood
apartments,
is
a
179
unit.
Rental
housing
community
that
sits
right
in
the
heart
of
the
north
greenwood
community.
This
complex
because
of
its
size
and
location,
is
critical
to
the
stability
of
the
north
greenwood
neighborhood.
C
One
of
our
main
priorities
in
the
housing
division,
as
you
all
know,
is
to
preserve
affordable
housing,
and
this
is
an
exciting
opportunity
to
do
just
that
complex
was
built
in
the
1950s
in
2001.
The
complex
was
in
was
very
much
showing
its
age.
I
think
that's
probably
an
understatement.
I
think
miss
gully
would
tell
you
that
it
was
in
deplorable
condition.
C
The
city
provided
a
700
000
loan
to
the
bank
of
america,
community
development
corporation
to
purchase
and
renovate
the
complex
in
2003.
The
city
contributed
an
additional
300
000
loan,
bringing
the
total
loan
amount
to
1
million
dollars.
C
C
I
would
say
that
this
combined
investment
helped
to
save
the
complex
from
deteriorating
to
a
point
where
rehabilitation
would
become
less
and
less
feasible
as
the
years
passed,
high
vacancy
rates
and
low
rental
rates.
I'm
sorry.
The
city's
loan
had
an
18-year
term
and
payments
to
the
city
were
subject
to
available
cash
flows.
C
High
vacancy
rates
and
low
rental
rates
restricted
cash
flow
to
the
point
where
the
city
didn't
receive
any
payments
until
well
after
the
loan
was
restructured
in
2012.,
so
in
2012
bank
of
america
cdc
paid
off
the
first,
the
first
mortgage
of
3.4
million
and
sold
the
property
to
greenwood
apartments,
llc
again
now,
currently
the
owner
of
the
property.
Still,
this
transaction
was
in
response
to
the
project
having
considerable
financial
struggles
at
the
time,
recognizing
that
the
city
agreed
to
modify
its
loan
terms
to
help
facilitate
the
transaction.
C
C
Currently,
the
loan
balance,
including
accrued
interest,
exceeds
the
city's
1
million
investment
by
about
300
000
so
fast
forward
to
today,
the
owner
of
the
property
is
planning
to
sell
the
apartment
complex
to
an
affiliated
company,
and
the
sale
will
allow
the
new
owner
to
gain
nearly
12
million
dollars
in
equity
through
the
sale
of
tax
credits.
C
As
a
result,
the
property
will
benefit
from
a
rehabilitation
of
about
10.5
million
dollars
to
make
to
help
make
this
a
reality.
The
property
owner
has
requested
the
city
and
the
county
hfa
to
resubordinate
our
loans.
The
county's
loan
is
structured
as
a
zero
interest
deferred
loan
deferred
through
2045.
C
It
wasn't
necessary
for
them
to
subordinate
to
make
this
deal
happen.
So
this
is
a
very
complex
transaction,
but
the
city's
role
is
relatively
simple.
Nonetheless,
we're
being
asked
to
defer
payment
of
the
loan
funded
with
public
funds,
so
it's
important
that
we
make
sure
every
aspect
of
this
deal
is
appropriate.
C
They
conducted
a
financial
analysis
of
the
proposal.
Prag
has
significant
experience
with
this
type
of
deal
structure,
which
is
very
common
throughout
the
state
of
florida.
Prague
found
that
the
proposal
found
the
proposal
to
be
appropriate
and
consistent
with
similar
transactions
throughout
the
state
of
florida.
So
with
with
prague's
determination,
staff
is
recommending
the
following:
allow
the
assignment
and
assumption
of
the
city's
loan
by
palmetto
park.
Preservation
ltd.
They
are
the
buyer.
C
Restate
will
restate
the
debt
and
modify
the
loan
terms
to
one
will
change
the
interest
rate
from
the
current
three
percent
to
the
applicable
federal
rate,
which
is
expected
to
be
1.9
percent.
On
the
day
of
closing,
the
maturity
date
will
be
45
years
from
closing
or
payoff
of
the
county
loan.
Whichever
occurs
first
and
a
minimum
of
a
minimum
of
89
percent
of
the
units
will
be
reserved
for
households
at
or
below
60
of
area
median
income
for
a
period
of
45
years.
C
From
the
day
of
closing
this
is
these
are
much
stronger
affordability,
restrictions
than
currently
exist.
The
city
will
subordinate
our
loan
with
a
new
lean
position
as
follows:
we'll
be
behind
the
construction
loan
of
about
20
million
dollars
through
project
stabilization
and
then
we'll
be
behind
permanent
financing
of
about
10.55
million
in
terms
of
receiving
payment
receiving
payments
from
cash
flow
payments
to
the
developer
fee
and
interest
on
the
seller.
Note
will
take
precedent
according
to
the
project
pro
forma.
The
city
is
not
expected
to
receive
a
payment
until
the
year.
C
Twenty
thousand
thirty
seven
important
to
note
that
the
one
million
dollar
city
loan
and
the
county
and
the
county
hfa
combined
loans
of
about
1.15
million,
were
funded
with
funds
dedicated
for
affordable
housing
programs.
C
This
investment
really
saved
the
property
in
2001.
The
modification
of
loan
terms
in
2012
helped
to
further
extend
the
useful
life
of
the
complex.
I
expect
this
transaction
to
buy
maybe
another
15
years
of
useful
life,
and
we
could
very
well
see
another
investment
15
years
down
the
road
similar
to
this.
That
may
be
incentivized
by
once
again
the
city
leaving
its
money
in
the
deal.
C
So,
from
my
perspective,
the
initial
investment
was
a
great
use
of
funds,
and
this
subordination
request
is
an
opportunity
to
leverage
that
investment.
We're
able
to
keep
this
important,
complex,
livable
in
a
decent
condition
for
quite
a
long
time
through
this
one
one-time
investment.
So
this
time
at
this
time,
I'll
take
any
questions
you
might
have
again.
Mr
hess
and
miss
belly
are
also
here
to
answer
questions.
G
Taking
our
keeping
our
same
position
basically
and
allowing
this
to
move
forward
is
the
right
thing
I
mean
I
go
back
a
long
ways
with
this
apartment
complex.
When
I
was
in
high
school,
I
would
take
teammates
from
the
basketball
team
home
after
practice
and
drop
them
off,
and
the
condition
of
the
apartments
in
those
days
is
miss.
Gully
knows
was
deplorable.
G
You
had
you
had
apartments
that
had
the
bathroom
was
upstairs
and
you
had
people
living
in
it
that
could
not
get
up
the
stairs,
so
they
had
to
make
other
arrangements
for
human
waste
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
you
know
the
first
renovation
to
it
back
in
2001
was
you
know
long
overdue,
and
I
think
you
know
a
10
million
dollar
renovation
at
this
point
in
time
it
given
that
we're
with
the
new
north
greenwood
cra,
coming
getting
ready
to
come
on
board
and
everything.
H
I
concur
exactly
with
councilman,
remember
hamilton,
it's
been
around
in
our
community
a
long
time.
I
remember
it
when
I
was
a
kid
and
I've
been
really
glad
to
see
that
it
was
updated
and
I
think
really
to
carry
it
on
in
that
tradition
is
a
good
thing.
F
C
I
don't
know
the
vacancy
right
now.
Mr
house
will
be
aware
of
vacancy
rates.
K
Thank
you.
All
mark
has
falcane
current
vacancy
rate.
We
have
about
12
vacant
units
and
we
are
not
being
super
aggressive
at
leasing
right
now,
because
in
order
to
accommodate
the
renovations,
you
need
some
swing
space
to
renovate,
and
but
the
demand
for
these
units
especially,
is
two
and
three
bedroom
larger
family
units,
which
are
really
in
short
supply
in
this
marketplace.
The
demand
is,
is
really
high
for
for
this
current
resource.
D
So
I
think
you
answered
it
when
you
said
in
mr
lane,
when
you
said
they're
going
to
sell
to
an
affiliated
company
to
get
12
million
in
tax
credits
correct
all
right.
So
that's
the
part
that
I
wasn't
on,
because
one
of
my
questions
was.
D
Let
me
see
where
my
thing
is
here.
One
of
my
questions
was
how
is
palmetto
preservation
ltd
planning
to
make
a
profit
like?
Why
would
they
want
to
come
in
and
purchase
this
right?
I
mean,
and
so,
if
it's
just
an
affiliated
com
company
in
there,
whatever
they're
doing
with
moving
ownership
and
all
that
stuff
to
apply
for
these
tax
credits
right
that
allows
them
to
rehab
it
right.
C
D
D
Okay,
and
then
is
this
a
locally
owned
conglomerate
company
right
now,
I
believe
they're
based
out
of
massachusetts,
okay,
where
he
came
from
okay,
so
greenwood
apartments
llc
had
ownership
for
20
years.
C
Think
they
do
when
they
took
ownership
of
the
property.
I
think
they
were
a
little
surprised
at
the
amount
of
investment
they
needed
to
make
to
bring
it.
You
know
into
decent
condition
at
that
time,
even
given
the
investment
was
made
in
20,
you
know
2000
on
one
two,
so
I
think
yeah.
I
think
they've
done
a
nice
job.
Okay,.
D
And
then
I
think
you
answered
this
too,
but
one
of
my
notes
was:
is
the
89
percent
of
units
at
or
below
60
ami
and
increase
or
decrease?
You
said
it's
an
increase.
Okay,
particular.
D
Great
and
then
what
type
of
improvements
are
we
talking
about
and
will
residents
be
able
to
stay
in
their
apartments?
I
mean
this
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
voting,
yes
or
no.
I
guess,
but
I
was
just
curious
like
what
kind
of
improvements,
because
I've
talked
to
a
number
of
res.
I
know
a
number
of
residents
who
live
there
and
there's
you
know
when
they
contact
you.
It's
usually
about
crabbing
about
something
you
know
it's
not
like.
C
K
Thank
you,
so
the
we
are
hiring
a
firm,
that's
going
to
help
with
the
management
of
the
residents,
because
it
is
sort
of
stressful
undertaking
not
just
for
the
residents
but
also
for
the
the
team.
That's
in
place
the
plan,
because
we
are
gutting
kitchens
and
bathrooms
and
doing
whole
new
hvac
systems,
actually
renovating
the
units
with
the
people
there
just
doesn't
make
sense
in
terms
of
protecting
the
residents
and
their
belongings.
K
The
the
plan,
wherever
possible,
is
to
renovate
units
that
are
similar
and
then
have
a
family
do
what
we
call
one-way
move
where
they
actually
move
into
a
different
unit.
That's
very
similar.
That's
already
been
instead
of
having
to
move
out
and
move
back
or
do
you
know
a
hotel
or
swing
unit
in
terms
of
logistics,
we
see
that
as
the
most
not
not
just
cost
efficient,
but
also
lowest
impact
and
stressful.
K
D
Because
we
have
major
renovation
going
on
at
like
1200
missouri
and
a
number
of
residents
have
reached
out
to
me
and
they're
and
it's
elderly
and
they're.
You
know
they're
upset
about
construction
workers
coming
in
and
out
and
not
giving
heads
up
and
all
that
kind
of
thing.
So
you're
thinking
like
if
you
had
eight
open
units,
you're
gonna
work
on
these
eight
get
people
out
of
their
apartments.
Put
them
in
the
eight
standard
ones.
Do
all
that
renovation
then
move
them
in
and
then
another
set
of
eight.
That's
how
it
something
like
that.
D
I
think
I
think
that
I
might
have
had
one
I
yeah
the.
I
just
had
a
note
in
part
of
the
background.
Chuckett
says:
high
vacancy
and
low
rental
rates
resulted
in
cash
flow,
insufficient
to
pay
the
loan
and-
and
I'm
thinking
you
know
this
was
like
po.
You
know
after
2003
yeah
on
march,
to
bring
its
loan
total,
but
why
weren't
people
so
2008
nine?
I
know
we
had
the
recession,
but
why
why?
D
K
Sure
so,
when
we
stepped
in
in
2012
in
florida,
although
their
recovery
was
happening,
it
was
still
not
a
heady
time
in
florida
in
terms
of
real
estate
and
development,
and
it
was
the
property
when
it
was
developed.
Originally,
they
had
over
projected
what
they
thought
they
could
support,
and
you
know
through
the
recession
that
didn't
help
anything
in
terms
of
the
property's
ability
to
support
the
debt
that
it
had
when
we
were
asked.
If
we
want
to
come
in
and
help
stabilize
the
property
and
part
of
what
we
bring
to
the
table.
K
Is
that
we're
not
just
developers
also
a
management
company?
So
we
we
have
people
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
people
that
solve
these
kind
of
problems
and
help
stabilize
communities
we
were
willing
to
take
it
on,
but
as
a
condition,
we
needed
bank
of
america
to
pay
off
some
of
the
debt
for
us
to
come
in
because
it
was
not
right
size
in
the
beginning.
K
It
did
take
us
longer
to
stabilize
it
was
a
challenging
property
when
we
came
in
through
the
transition
and
we
had
to
roll
a
lot
of
the
money.
That
was
generated
from
the
property
back
into
improvements
to
try
to
stabilize
the
structure
and
then,
when
things
started,
to
get
a
little
bit
better
and
more
stabilized
in
2018.
K
I
think
that's
the
first
time
we're
generating
cash
flow
and
starting
to
make
distributions,
and
then
we
roll
into
2019,
and
we
started
to
have
some
molded
moisture
issues
for
some
of
the
units
because
of
the
the
concrete
structure-
and
you
know
an
hvac
system
that
didn't
include
fresh
air
and
makeup
air
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
then
we
started
chasing
that
in
terms
of
having
to
roll
additional
money
into
the
units
to
address
those
issues,
and
we
decided
that
the
only
really
permanent
solution
is
to
do
a
substantial
renovation,
redo.
A
K
We
are
we're
based
in
norway,
massachusetts,
which
is
just
outside
of
boston.
I've
been
with
the
company
for
21
years
and
we
are
primarily
affordable,
housing
developers
and
property
managers.
I
would
say:
we're
a
property
management
company.
K
First,
we
have
about
9
000
units
under
management,
about
half
of
those
we
have
an
ownership
interest
of
some
sort
in
and
the
other
half
are
for
third
party
clients
and
and
as
we
recognize
opportunities
in
the
portfolio
to
refinance
and
redevelopment,
that's
what
we
have
I'm
part
of
a
small
group
that
looks
at
at
opportunities
like
in
palmetto,
where
we
have
to
figure
out
the
the
next
right
thing
to
do
for
the
property
most
of
our
properties.
A
I
mean
when
these
were
refurbished
and
I
think
we
cut
the
rivet
on
the
no
three
when
they
were
really
done,
but
icee
probably
knows
better,
they
were
gutted
and
then
redone
is.
E
K
Well,
I
mean
15,
you
know
family
housing,
it's
a
hard
life.
You
know
for
these
units,
it's
a
high
intensity
kind
of
use
for
these
typical
units,
so
I
wouldn't
say
that
it's
an
extraordinary
result
for
this
particular
property,
particularly
when
you're
trying
to
set
the
property
up,
so
that
will
last
another
15
years
right.
You
don't
want
to
kind
of
piecemeal
it.
K
Those
are
things
that
if
they
had
been
done
the
first
time
it
would
make
this
renovation
a
little
easier.
I
think
it
was
just
a
mistake.
I
don't
think
there
was.
Any
sort
of
you
know
pulled
pulling
the
wool
over
anyone's
eye
eyes.
I
thought
and
in
our
experience
we
came
in
and
we
actually
had
engineers
look
at
the
property.
We
said
well
this.
This
property
works,
we're
willing
to
step
in
and
take
it
over
in
2012.
K
We
didn't
see
a
lens
where
we
were
gonna
have
to
spend
ten
million
dollars
on
the
property
and
in
eight
years,
but
that's
where
we
are
and
we're
prepared
to.
A
K
Well,
one
of
the
advantages
of
this
property
is:
it
was
built
one
its
strength
in
its
weakness.
It
was
built
in
the
50s
and
it's
built
of
concrete,
which
makes
the
you
know
the
thermal
mass
and
the
ventilation
the
building
a
challenge
in
terms
of
being
careful
about
how
you
engineered
systems,
but
also
means
that
the
likelihood
that
these
buildings
are
going
to
go
anywhere
is
pretty
low.
K
It's
a
pretty
solid
structure,
and
it
will
be
something
in
my
experience
that
will
be
worth
renovating
again
in
you
know
in
the
next
15
17
years,
all
right.
B
You
approve
a
purchase
order,
an
agreement
with
accident
enterprises,
inc
of
scottsdale,
arizona
for
the
purchase
of
in-car,
video
equipment
and
digital
evidence,
storage
and
management
in
the
amount
of
187
200
for
a
five-year
term.
Ending
december
31st
2026
pursuant
to
the
city
code
of
ordinances,
section
2.1,
2.5631c,.
L
Good
morning,
chief
dan
slaughter
with
the
police
department,
this
is
an
item
that
is
going
to
replace
our
current
issued
mobile
and
mobile
car
camera
system.
You'll
recall
back
in
2019,
we
kind
of
started
making
the
migra
migration
to
the
axon
products,
which
was
the
digital
evidence
management
system.
L
The
camera
system
is
integrates
very
seamlessly
and
neatly
with
the
body
worn
camera
system,
the
digital
evidence,
management
system
and
all
the
other
products
that
we
already
have
with
axon
the
prior
vendor
that
we
utilized
for
this
product
used
more
of
a
dvd
system
to
share
the
data.
There
was
a
way
to
get
it
into
the
digital
edit
management
system,
but
it's
an
additional
burden
on
some
workflow
and
the
upload,
and
the
sharing
of
the
data
was
much
more
complicated.
This
will
make
that
much
more
efficient.
L
The
the
pricing
is
based
on
the
national
purchasing
partners,
contract
which
we
are
as
a
city
a
partner
with,
and
it
is
initial
three
thirty
seven
thousand
four
hundred
forty
dollars
per
year
for
five
years,
which
is
why
it
needs
to
come
to
the
council
because
of
the
five-year
agreement
being
187
thousand
two
hundred
dollars.
We
weren't
happy
to
answer
any
case.
We
did
anticipate
this
expense.
D
I
I
just
have
a
question
about
so
on
on
the
agenda.
There
are
attachments,
and
you
know
I
try.
I
try
to
read
everything
on
on
the
agenda
and
the
attachments,
but
there's
this
sixth
amendment
executed,
which
is
29
pages,
and
I
see
all
this
stuff
on
all
of
your
tasers
and
all
of
your
things
that
the
police
department
has.
D
L
Yes
and
the
challenge
with
axon
is
it's
kind
of
like
your
cable
company
dealing
with
a
bunch
of
bundles
okay,
so
it's
all
bundled
together
and
every
time
we
like
deal
with
an
item
like
this,
it
kind
of
adjusts
the
bundle.
Okay,
the.
L
News
is
we
don't
have
a
phone
that
you
don't
need
as
part
of
the
bundle,
but
everything
else
is
kind
of
that's
why
you
see
all
that
other
language?
It
gets
amended
and
it
gets
all
bundled
together
to
get
the
bundle
pricing.
D
B
Some
supplemental
one
work
order
to
cardigan
inc
of
clearwater
florida
to
complete
expanded
ground,
penetrating
radar
survey
at
the
st
matthews
baptist
church
cemetery
in
the
amount
two
of
48
twenty
three
dollars
increasing
the
work
order
from
eighty
seven,
eight,
eight
eight
to
one
hundred
and
thirty,
six,
one
one
one.
Pursuant
to
the
request
of
qualifications,
rfq
26-19,
engineer
of
record
consulting
services
and
authorize
the
appropriate
officials
to
execute
the
same
joe
decico.
M
D
I
have
a
few
questions,
so
I've
read,
you
know
the
saint
matthews
archaeological
thing:
it's
it's
pretty
extensive.
You
know,
I
don't
know
how
many
pages
it
is.
D
It's
a
bunch,
but
I
read
it
back
in
june
and
I
know
it's
attached
to
our
our
agenda,
but
I
had,
I
just
think
it's
important
for
me
to
understand
exactly
the
sequencing
and
who's
doing
what
and
who's
responsible
and
who
paid
for
what-
and
I
know
it's
probably
in
there-
but
I
just
I
think
it's
important
that
it
be
on
the
legislative
text
when
we
give
a
summary,
because
we've
got
a
summary
that
starts
according
to
records
from
the
time
the
city
of
clearwater
established,
a
new
african-american
burial
site
at
the
north,
greenwood
cemetery
and
all
burial
ceased
at
the
property.
D
Okay
and
then
the
property
was
sold
in
1955
by
saint
matthews
church
and
then
the
next
you
know
paragraph
starts
well,
then
we've
got
the
site
was
later
developed
to
its
current
state
by
crumb
properties.
With
the
recent
rediscovery
of
lost
african-american
cemeteries
throughout
the
region,
local
community
leaders
called
for
confirmation
that
the
burials
were
properly
relocated
prior
to
redevelopment.
There's
no
sentence
in
between
there.
D
That
says
you
know
who
was
relocating
and
why
so,
here
are
a
list
of
my
questions
that
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
have
on
a
legislative
text
to
connect
the
dots
when
we're
asking
for
money
to
further
investigate
the
boundaries
of
the
cemetery
which
I
have
no
problem
in
in
you
know
authorizing
money,
but
you
know
number
one.
The
question
is:
why
did
the
city
need
to
establish
a
new
african-american
cemetery
in
north
greenwood
and
needing
to
establish
a
new
cemetery?
Does
not
answer
the
question
of
why
this
one
would
be
disturbed?
D
And
you
know
it's
that
responsibility
and
then
originally,
I
wanted
again
to
to
be
able
to
write
it
down
without
looking
through
all
this
did
the
city
partner
here
to
hire
archaeologist
cardinal
cardinal
to
help
determine
if
graves
were
present
under
the
crumb
property
so
who
paid
for
that
initial
work?
Was
it?
D
Was
it
the
city
exclusively
and
then,
if
we
paid
for,
if
we,
you
know,
partnered
and
paid
for
that
initial
work,
and
then
now
we're
asking
you're
asking
for
money
for
us
solely
to
pay
for
further
confirmation?
You
know
what
I
mean,
so
I
just
like
those
things
cleared
up.
That's
all.
A
A
Yes,
I
mean
after
we
sold
the
city.
Complex
was
amr
that
developed
it
back
in
2000
and
then
it
was
later
sold,
I
think,
to
crumb
in
the
late
2008
nine
and
it
was
during
the
great
recession.
A
A
But
they
were
the
original,
didn't
cgi,
buy
it
from
amr
and
satish.
I
can't
remember
his
last
name
anyway:
it
changed
hands
crumb
didn't
do
the
development
there.
So
that
really
isn't
completely
true,
and
I
think
some
of
the
history
is
that
things
were
treated
differently
back
in
the
40s
and
50s
and
that's
not
an
adequate
answer.
But
that's
what
happened
and
I
think
the
mcmullens
bought
the
property
as.
D
But,
but
could
we
have?
You
know
a
bulleted
point
sequence
of
who
owned
it?
When
who
you
know
who
said
they
were
responsible
for
finding
a
new
burial
site
in
north
greenwood?
Who
was
responsible?
D
Who
signed
on
the
dotted
line
that
says
I'm
going
to
move
these
bodies
who
paid
for
moving
of
the
bodies
who
confirmed
that
all
the
bodies
supposedly
confirmed
or
whatever
you
know
all
that
stuff
just
in
a
nice
easy
bulleted
way,
so
that
there's
a
real,
clear,
factual,
based
accounting
of
a
timeline
of
of
what
happened
when
and
who
was
responsible?
I
will
talk
to
the
archaeologists.
M
D
A
F
I
I'm
all
for
this
extra
funds
here,
although
we
really
do
need
to
at
some
point
decide
who
is
going
to
be
responsible
for
what
ultimately
happens
here.
How
much
is
the
city?
How
much
is
perhaps
crumb
kicking
in
or
other
parties,
but
that's
not
that's
not
what
we're
dealing
with
right.
F
Now
I,
when
I
was
reading
over
this
final
report,
I
found
myself
very
moved
by
reading
the
stories
some
of
the
people
who
may
be
buried
on
that
property,
and
I
I
was
also
struck
because
occasionally
I
I
read
what
was
given
to
us
was
also
struck
in
the
report
about
the
entries
from
newspaper
stories
back
in
1954
that
talk
about
how
we
made
decisions
to
as
an
inducement
to
confine
negro,
home,
building
and
purchasing
to
the
existing
area.
F
We
didn't
want
that
spreading
out,
so
I
mean
we
do
you
know
we
weren't
on
the
commission
at
that
time,
but
you
know
the
city
does
have
some
responsibility
in
dealing
with
this,
and
I
think
we
all
acknowledge
that
it's
just
a
matter
of
finding
out.
You
know
how.
Ultimately,
this
is
all
going
to
be
paid
for,
but
I'm
definitely
for
moving
ahead
with
this.
G
Vice
mayor
I
mean
the
the
history
and
the
sequence
of
events
on
this
property
is
very
difficult
to
to
follow.
G
Scientific
technological
reading
of
this
property
beyond
that.
G
I'm
not
sure
where,
where
the
city
is
going
to
go,
because
I
I
know
the
naacp
and
I
know
the
chrome
corporation
they're,
going
to
look
at
the
city
and
say
well,
if
we're
going
to
move,
if
we're
going
to
move
these,
if
they
ultimately
find-
and
you
know
we
have
to
they-
want
to
move
something
they're
going
to
expect
the
city
to
pay
for
it.
E
G
Are
we
better
off
just
leaving
it
and
recognizing
recognizing
the
cemetery
with
a
monument
of
some
sort
that
identifies
it?
But
I'm
not
sure
I'm
not
sure-
and
I
don't
mean
this
to
sound,
cold
and
callous,
but
I'm
not
sure
the
city
is
responsible
for
it
and
I'm
not
sure
we're
the
ones
that
should
you
should
be
paying
for
it.
G
Given
the
chronological
series
of
events,
I
just
don't
know
that
it's
it's
something
we
need
to
be
on
the
hook
for
there's
a
part
of
me
that
says
you
know
the
compassion
in
me
says
I
want
to
do
the
right
thing,
but
the
other
side
of
it
is
I'm
not
sure,
I'm
not
convinced
that
it
really
falls
on
our
shoulders.
G
H
Yeah
and
I
think
you're
you're
right-
this
goes
back
into
a
time
that
there
weren't
a
lot
of
records
on
these
things,
and
you
know
bill
horn.
Our
previous
city
manager
was
really
good
at
at
getting
this
moved
forward
like,
and
I
kind
of
asked
a
week
or
two
ago
where
we
were
with
us,
because
it
seemed
to
kind
of
drop
you
know
from
when
he
was
here,
but
I
I
agree.
We
need
to
find
the
boundaries
on
this.
H
H
We
need
to
find
out,
I
mean
I
think
some
of
these
maybe
even
goes
go
out
into
missouri,
because
you
know
underneath
the
roadway
that
was
a
dirt
road
back
then,
when
this
was
a
cemetery,
it
wasn't
a
defined
road.
So
I
think
if
we
find
the
boundaries
and
then
we
talk
about
what
we're
going
to
do
to
you
know
to
take
care
of
the
situation
having
scientific
boundaries
on.
That
would
be
the
first
step.
So
I'm
for
doing
this
and
then
I'm
for
you
know
future
talks
on
you
know
crum.
Some
of
the.
H
I
think
the
the
remains
were
found
under
their
parking
lot
and
I
don't
think
that
they
really
should
be
required
to
move
their
parking
lot
to
find
out
exactly
what
is
under
there
because
it
may
not
be
intact
graves.
They
may
be
just
bones
of
some
type
that
go
way
back,
so
I
think
we
need
to
find
the
boundaries
on
this,
and
then
we
need
to
talk
about
again.
H
A
All
right
we'll
have
to
talk
about
this
further
on
thursday,
I
will
have
to
recuse
myself
from
this
one.
You
have
another
question.
D
Can
I
have
clarification
like
who
paid
for
the
initial
ground,
truthing
and
and
investigation
that
we
have.
M
M
E
B
Mr
jennings,
thank
you
mayor
two
weeks
ago
I
had
a
conversation
with
matt
crum
concerning
this,
and
he,
the
two
of
us,
had
a
fairly
lengthy
discussion
about
the
history,
and
I
do
think
that
there
is
further
need
for
exploration
as
to
who
is
responsible
and,
ultimately,
the
long
term.
But
I
felt
as
though,
after
talking
with
mr
krom,
this
was
a
continuation
of
the
previous
study.
F
As
far
as
what
ultimately
we
do,
I
had
talked
to
bill
horn
in
one
of
our
weekly
meetings
about
reaching
out
to
find
if
there
are
other
organizations,
other
charities,
that
that
can
help
in
these
displaced
cemeteries,
because
this
is
not
unique
here
in
clearwater
I
mean
in
tampa
there's
plenty
of
stories
that
came
before
ours
and
the
same
company.
That's
doing
our
ground
proof
and
ground
truthing,
rather
was
hired
by
tulsa
to
to
investigate
the
tulsa
massacre
burial
sites.
F
I've
got
to
believe
there,
some
some
other
entities
out
there
who
are
are
interested
in
in
helping
make
some
of
these
things
go
right.
If,
ultimately,
we
decide
to
more
than
put
a
plaque
up
there
and
if
that's
what
the
community
decides,
they
want
to
do.
I'm
fine
with
that,
but
we
we
need
future
conversations
about
that.
B
One
of
said
jones,
subdivision
of
nicholson's
addition
to
clearwater
harbor
and
lying
east
of
the
east
boundary
of
a
portion
of
lot
b,
clovis
c
lutz
subdivision,
as
recorded
in
plot
book
35
page
76
of
the
public
records
of
pinellas
county
florida
and
pass
ordinance
951
6-2-1
on
first
reading.
Mr
benwell.
Thank
you.
Jim.
O
Benoit
engineering
department
in
2007,
the
city
vacated
the
majority
of
north
osceola
avenue
right
of
way
between
jones
street
and
georgia
avenue.
The
reconstructed
road
was
then
put
in
just
to
the
east
of
that.
This
vacation
is
for
the
remaining
portion
of
the
north
osceola
avenue
between
jones
and
georgia,
where
the
road
used
to
lie.
The
applicant
owns
all
the
budding
property
around
this
right-of-way.
D
So
you
said
the
property
all
abutting
properties
are
owned
by
the
same
entity
and
the
proposed
development
will
support
this
vacation.
If
vacated,
this
portion
will
be
used
as
a
private
drive
for
new
development.
Is
this
single
family
multi-family?
What
do
you
have
any
idea?
What
might
go
there?
I
believe
it's
multi-family
multi-family
housing,
okay,
like
a
apartment,
complex.
O
I
would
imagine
I'd
double
check
the
planning
department
on
the
actual
plans
for
it,
okay,
but
the
the
use
would
be
for
them
to
have
a
gated
private
entryway
for
their
for
their
development.
I
believe
there
are
some
residential
involved
in
there.
I
can
double
check.
B
Approve
the
request
from
the
city
of
clearwater
vacating
public
right-of-way,
described
as
that
certain
portion
of
state
street
of
budding
lot
11
and
lot
18
of
ea
marshall
subdivision
is
recorded
in
platt
book
3,
page
44
of
the
public
records
of
pinellas
county
florida
and
pass
ordinance
9517-21
on
first
reading.
Mr
pendleton.
O
This
portion
of
state
street
is
a
dead-end
right-of-way
that
bisects
state
street
park.
The
parks
and
rec
department
would
like
to
vacate
this
right-of-way
to
connect
the
two
parts
of
the
park
and
also
put
a
fence
up
to
prevent
some
illegal
dumping.
That
they've
been
having
some
issues
with
recently.
D
I'm
familiar
with
this
park,
I've
done
a
number
of
cleanups
and
that
you
know
I
know
exactly
what
dead
end
road.
So
my
question,
I
have
two
questions.
Do
we
have
encampments
here
as
well
back
there
in
that
woods
or
is
it
just
don't.
O
D
And
then
on
the
aerial
map
like
where
are
you
thinking
of
putting
the
fence
at
the
at
the
end
closest
to
north
betty
lane
or
in
the
middle
or.
O
I
would
imagine
it
would
be
in
that
red
patched
area
that
we're
going
to
be
vacating.
I
would
imagine
it'd
be
the
western
extent.
Okay
good,
as
close.
A
J
B
O
B
Accept
the
assignment
of
drainage
easement
from
pinellas
county,
a
political
subdivision
of
the
state
of
florida,
as
recorded
in
official
records
book
2780,
page
68
of
the
public
records
of
pinellas
county
florida
for
the
construction,
installation
and
maintenance
of
city
drainage
facilities
on
real
property
located
at
2701
via
cipriani,
and
adopt
resolution.
21-36.
O
The
stormwater
disease
is
currently
being
maintained
by
pinellas
county
with
the
adjacent
property
owners
and
the
majority
of
the
contributing
area
utilizing
this
ditch
and
also
paying
in
usa,
paying
the
associated
stormwater
fees
to
the
city
of
clearwater.
The
city
has
requested
the
transfer
of
this
easement
from
the
county
to
the
city
questions.
D
So
the
language
says
for
the
construction,
installation
and
maintenance
of
city
drainage
facilities.
What
I
thought
it
was
just
a
ditch
based
on
you
know
what
it
was.
Are
you
going
to
construct
something
more
than
just
the
ditch?
That's
there
I
don't.
O
O
Flows
does
it
go
into
the
bay
correct,
so
right
now
the
way
the
storm
water
flows.
It
goes
from
east
to
west
out
to
the
bay
the
ditch
wasn't
being
maintained.
I
needed
to
be
trimmed
to
some
trash,
just
just
normal
maintenance
for
the
ditch
and
now
it'll
be
our
responsibility,
so
we'll
be
able
to
go
out
and
take
care
of
that.
D
P
We
can
explore
that
there
is
an
opportunity
on
that.
We
just
have
to
make
sure
anything
we
put
across
the
ditch
doesn't
restrict
flows
when
it
gets
clogged
up.
So
yes,
we
can
take
a
look.
It
would
be
a
lot
more
helpful
if
people
would
keep
their
trash
out
of
the
ditch.
That
makes
things
a
whole
lot
easier.
P
This
is
an
interesting,
ditch
too
it's
very
flat.
The
subdivision
on
the
north
side
was
dredged
material
back
in,
I
don't
know
40s
50s,
so
there's
really
only
a
foot
foot
and
a
half
of
fall
on
this
ditch
from
us
19
out
to
the
bay,
so
the
tide
backs
up
in
the
ditch
and
then
the
storm
water
pushes
it
out
and
the
water
comes
back
and
forth
and
there
really
isn't
a
constant
flow
to
the
east.
P
P
P
D
P
I
believe
it
is
the
the
grand
bellagio
if
memory
serves
me
owns
to
their
property,
which
is
on
the
south
side
and
they
own
all
the
way
to
the
north
bank,
but
the
what's
the
what's
the
park
on
the
north
side
called
aristocrat
bay,
aristocrat
their
buildings
all
back
up
to
the
top
of
bank
on
the
ditch,
so
whether
they
legally
have
a
right
to
go
down
the
ditch,
I'm
not
sure,
but
I'm
I
think
if
they
were
going
to
pick
up
debris
out
the
game,
we
would
give
them
hard.
Is
it
safe?
P
O
This
is
entirely
on
graham
bellagio's
property
if
they
ever
cried.
Q
Good
morning,
mayor
council,
sky
dollars,
fire
chief
clearwater
fire
and
rescue
this
item
before
you
is
to
request
the
approval
to
keep
reserve
engine
g2611
previously
authorized
for
surplus.
Approximately
a
year
ago,
with
the
approval
of
the
purchase
of
two
new
engines,
the
request
had
us
turning
into
reserves.
Once
they
were
delivered
for
surplus,
we
normally
maintain
a
reserve
status
of
five
engines
to
facilitate
maintenance
for
our
front
line
apparatus
over
the
past
several
months.
Q
The
supply
chain
issues
affecting
the
country
has
delayed
many
of
our
units
being
out
of
service
for
months
in
which
depleted
our
available
engines
are
reserved
to
one.
Some
examples
are
that
we've
had
units
out
of
service
for
four
or
five
months
waiting
on
parts.
Nothing.
You
know
it's
just
really,
basically,
for
the
supply
chain
issues,
for
example.
Also,
we
have
a
currently
have
a
ladder,
a
reserve
ladder,
that's
been
out
for
several
months
due
to
a
wiring
harness
and
a
front
line
rescue
that's
been
out
for
over
four
months,
waiting
on
sensors
from
ford.
Q
This
request
is
to
keep
reserved
jeep
2611
for
the
time
being,
as
we
work
through
the
supply
and
hitting
issues
allowing
manufacturers
time
to
catch
up
on
the
demands,
the
other
reserve
engine,
which
was
a
g2610
or
has
already
been
turned
in
for
surplus.
With
that,
I'm
happy
to
answer
a
question.
Questions.
D
Yeah
I
just
I
had
a
question
you
might
have
answered
it,
but
why
do
we
have
an
increase
in
out-of-service
hours
for
our
front-line
newer
fire
trucks,
and
are
you
saying
that
it's
just
kind
of
glitchy
things
like
a
fuse
or
something
that
and
a
supply
chain?
It's
not
that
I
mean
because
if
they're
newer,
they
shouldn't
be
having
problems.
Q
Yes,
ma'am,
but
just
like
a
regular
vehicle
has
got
to
go
back
because
of
some
small
electronic
sensor
that
everything
is
computerized
anymore
and
then
that's
the
supply
chain
issue
on
those
aspects.
Q
Q
This
item
before
use,
request
approval
for
the
purchase
of
personal
protective
equipment
for
our
personnel,
which
includes
coats
and
pants.
This
is
really
what
that
is
focused
on,
not
the
other
garden.
The
previous
company,
providing
these
items
has
not
been
able
to
meet
the
standards
of
our
department.
We
were
with
one
manufacturer
and
we
it
wasn't
meeting
a
lot
of
the
standards
that
we
needed,
so
we
we
needed
to
switch.
Q
This
dial-up
figure
will
provide
needed
funds
until
june
30th
of
2022,
when
a
new
rfq
will
be
presented
for
companies
to
bid
on
funds
are
available
in
this
side.
For
this
item
in
the
cip
budget
315-91261
and
additionally,
pinellas
county
provides
approximately
11.3
11.36
percent,
which
is
the
amount
of
reimbursement
for
that
which
is
about
the
percentage
of
the
unincorporated
county
that
we
cover
for
them.
With
that,
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions,
questions.
D
So
I
just
wanted
to
understand
you
there.
The
gear
has
a
10-year
shelf
life
and
currently
clearwater
fire
and
rescue
issues,
one
set
of
gear
and
then
a
second
set
five
years
later.
D
So
I
had
a
cup:
does
it
mean
shelf
life
like
they
wear
that
one
set
of
gear
for
five
years
and
then
they
dispose
of
it
and
get
their
new
or
does
something
sit
on
a
shelf
and
it'll?
Only
last
because
of.
Q
Now
the
way
we've
been
replacing,
it
is
say
that
that
gear
is
for
five
years
and
then
at
that
five
year
mark
they
get
a
new
set
of
gear
that
gear
that
they
had
goes
on
the
shelf
for
the
remaining
five
years
and
then
once
it's
reached
its
ten-year
shelf
life
we
have
to,
you,
know,
keep
up
with
the
standard
and
move
to
a
new
gear.
So
it's
just
a
rotating
new
set
of
gear
online
in
the
five-year
increments.
Q
No,
they
they
use
that
second,
the
second
set
of
gear
is
so
when
they
come
back
from
an
incident
and
they
have
all
them
those
carcinogens
on
that
gear.
It
has
to
be
washed
and
cleaned
which
we
have
the
facility
to
do
that,
but
they
need
that
gear
on
the
shelf
to
be
able
to
get
back
in
service.
Okay,.
D
G
G
Isn't
something
you
can
walk
into
a
department
store
and
check
out?
This
is
highly
specialized,
highly
highly
specialized
gear,
so
consent.
B
Authorize
a
purchase
order
for
210
dash,
8
fire
and
equipment,
inc
of
bradenton
florida
for
one
osage,
warrior
type;
1
rescue,
2022
ford,
extended
cab
chassis
in
the
amount
of
two
hundred
and
nineteen
thousand
eight
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
pursuant
to
clearwater
code
of
ordinances.
Section
two
point:
five:
six:
three
piggyback
in
section
two
point:
five
three
non-competitive
purchase
authorized
the
surplus
of
g3869,
a
2010
ford
f-650
pursuant
to
this
clearwater
code
of
ordinances,
section
2.623,
public
auction
or
trade-in
when
what?
Q
Q
This
repo,
this
provides
replacement
for
one
reserve,
als
transport
vehicle
vehicle
3869,
which
has
met
its
useful
life
and
service
because
of
our
als
contract
with
pinellas
county.
The
vehicle
is
fully
reimbursed
by
county
dollars.
As
a
reminder,
we
maintain
a
fleet
of
three
als
transport
vehicles
and
frontline
services.
Q
This
has
proven
worthwhile
for
those
two
units.
However,
we
maintain
we
maintain
those
other
transport
vehicles
in
areas
which
need
the
capability
for
time.
Sunstar
is
delayed
to
facilitate
facilitate
the
best
for
the
patient.
Additionally,
earlier
this
year,
our
transport
units
became
very
critical
as
we
saw
crisis
and
ambulance
delays
at
the
hospitals.
Q
The
the
we
always
you're
talking
about
the
electric
vehicle,
actually,
we
the
the
chassis
that
we
were
using
just
like
our
larger
trucks,
they're
just
not
available
for
them.
Yet
we
always
continue
to
look
at
that,
but
on
these
vehicles
we
just
have
not
the
ford
or
chevy.
Gm
is
just
starting
into
that
process
from
our
state.
F
F
P
B
Confirmed
purchase
orders
to
garland
dbs,
inc
of
cleveland,
ohio
for
roof
replacement
at
fire
station
49
and
the
gymnasium
roof
at
the
countryside.
Recreation
center
in
the
cumulative
amount
of
784
328,
which
includes
a
five
percent
contingency
to
include
fixed
points
for
solar,
ready
installation
and
any
other
unforeseen
site
conditions
contin
pursuant
to
clearwater
code
of
ordinances,
two
five,
six
three
piggyback
and
authorize
the
appropriate
officials
to
execute
the
same.
Mr.
R
Johnson
good
morning,
brian
johnson
assistant,
director
of
solid
waste
general
services,
mr
mayor
council,
the
item
before
you
provides
for
the
replacement
of
the
roof
on
fire
station
49
and
the
gym
at
countryside
rec
center
both
have
reached
the
end
of
their
useful
lives
and
are
consuming
considerable
resources
to
maintain
in
a
losing
battle
against
the
elements.
Both
projects
are
important
to
mitigate
safety
concerns
and
to
protect
the
integrity
of
the
buildings.
R
It
also
avoids
the
full
impact
of
supply
chain
delays
which
could
push
our
project
start
date
out
to
june
or
july.
Instead
of
december
27th
available
for
questions,
questions.
D
I
appreciate
you
having
solar,
ready
construction
on
these
two
new
roofs.
Why
not
go
one
more
step
and
have
solar
configured
in
the
price
as
we
go
forward
and
plan
for
it
now?
Is
that
just
a
decision
we
need
to
make
later
or.
D
That's
right
because
we
haven't
got
the
ten
buildings
that
are
most
conducive
to
okay.
So
that's
what
we're
waiting
for!
So
that's
what
we're
waiting
for
and
the
buildings
will
be
ready
and
configured
when
we
have
that
information
available.
Do
you
know
when
we're
like
a
projected
time
to
get
that
study
information
on
the
test?
I
do
not,
but
we
can
get
that
and
I'll
defer
to
sheridan
on
that
one:
okay!
D
R
It's
primarily
the
installation
points,
so
I'm
sure
you've
heard
concerns
about
penetrating
existing
roofs
to
add
solar.
So
when
you
make
it
solar
ready,
you
put
those
connection
points
on
as
a
part
of
the
construction.
So
you
don't
have
that
later
concern
of
penetrating
the
roof
and
potentially
violating
a
warranty.
Okay,.
E
A
A
What
is
49
built
to
as
far
as
hurricane
standards,
and
will
this
potentially
undermine
it?.
R
A
D
E
S
It
appears
that
it's
around
2396
is
what
what
it
shows
in
the
agenda
item
on
one
of
the
invoices:
okay,
yeah.
H
Council,
member
albright
yeah,
I
did
read
the
description
of
it
and
they
were
adding
two
by
fours
underneath
for
support
and
some
other
things.
So
I
think
that's
all.
Basically
what
it
is.
It's
just
getting
it
strengthened.
B
Approve
a
purchase
order
to
communications
international
at
vero
beach
florida
in
the
amount
of
2
million
five
hundred
and
sixty
four
thousand
nine
hundred
and
forty
four
dollars
and
thirty
five
cents
for
the
purchase
of
two
eight
three
xl
dash
one:
eight
five
p
50
xl-2,
zero,
zero
p,
portable
radios
and
260
265
xl-185
m
mobile
radio
radios
for
the
clearwater
police
department,
replacing
the
current
7300s
and
the
p
7
7300s
radios
pursuant
to
the
clearwater
code
of
ordinances,
section
2.563.
B
Single
source
authorized
lease
purchase
under
the
city's
master
lease
purchase
agreement
of
internal
financing
via
the
interfund
loan
from
the
capital
improvement
fund,
whichever
is
deemed
to
be
in
the
city's
best
interest,
authorized
the
surplus
of
l
three
harris
p;
seven:
three
hundred
and
m
seven:
three
hundred
radios
pursuant
to
the
clearwater
code
of
ordinances,
section
two
point:
six:
two:
three
in
and
authorize
the
appropriate
officials
to
execute
the
same.
Mr
gloucester.
J
Good
morning,
earl
gloucester
director
solid
waste
general
services.
This
item
is,
is
to
replace
roughly
600
police
radios
that
have
been
in
use
since
the
2008-2009
time
frame
there.
We
stepped
out
and
leaned
forward
and
got
these
radios
early
for
the
police
department
to
be
able
to
support
the
2012
republican
national
convention
in
tampa
and
they've,
been
in
service.
Like
I
said
roughly
since
2008
2009,
they
were
p25
ready
when
we
purchased
them.
So
we
were
leaning
forward
to
get
these
radios
to
be
able
to
communicate
with
everybody
in
the
bay
area.
J
During
that
time.
For
that
event,
they've
gone
actually
gone
past
their
useful
life.
It's
really
tough
trying
to
source
parts
for
these
radios
at
this
point,
so
the
original
plan
was
to
phase
it
in
over
a
three
year
period.
We're
now
asking
to
do
that
all
at
once
and
if
we
realize
substantial
savings,
as
you
can
see
at
the
bottom
of
the
summary
and
doing
that
on
us
installation
parts
the
whole
night.
So
questions.
H
Okay,
under
the
I
was
just
curious
to
see
if
the
old
radios,
so
if
you
got
333
trade-ins
they're,
giving
you
500
for
those
radios
and
then
I
guess
the
265
was
the
trade-in
or
those
are
the
end.
Those
are
the
ones
that
are
actually
mounted
in
the
police,
cars
or
whatever
yeah
and
they're
also
500.
I
tried
to
find,
because
I
know
sometimes
you
can
get
on
the
the
market
you
know,
selling
to
like
third
world
cup
countries.
H
J
We
didn't
explore
going
out
to
the
market
ourselves
with
these.
We
have
a
relationship,
computer
communications,
international.
It
just
was
a
benefit
to
us
in
efficiency,
just
to
be
able
to
trade
them
in
get
the
installation
get
the
discount.
H
Okay,
and
are
these
radios,
they
have
more
functionality
than
the
old
ones.
Newer
radios.
J
Yes,
sir,
they
do
a
lot
more
functionality,
police,
they
field
tested
them
over
a
year
ago.
I
think
now
they
field
test
them.
They
really
like
this.
A
G
Smirk
and
these
radios
are
compatible
with
neighboring
law
enforcement.
D
I
just
thank
you
so
much
for
the
paragraph
that
outlines
all
the
savings
if
we
go
ahead
and
do
this
so
that
was
nice
to
have
that
spelled
out,
and
then
I
was
just
wondering
why
wasn't
this
under
the
police
department
agenda?
Well,.
J
H
Yeah
just
one
other
question
under
some
under
the
assumptions
that
there's
a
note
here
says:
if
the
replacement
antenna
is
required,
the
city
will
perform
and
replace
services.
H
J
Avenue
the
south
end
of
the
city
and
then
one
at
the
up
on
the
north
end
of
the
city
at
the
northeast
plain
on
that.
H
J
A
J
B
Approve
the
proposed
second
amendment
to
an
existing
development
agreement
between
the
city
of
clearwater
and
4-1-1
e-s-l-l-c,
which
provides
for
certain
changes
to
the
conceptual
site
plan
and
elevations
increases.
The
overall
number
of
hotel
units
and
height
proposed
for
the
subject
site,
adopt
resolution
21-26
and
authorize
the
appropriate
officials
to
execute
the
same.
I
Good
morning,
gina
clayton
planning
and
development
department.
This
is
the
second
amendment
to
an
existing
hotel
agreement,
and
it
was
on
your
agenda
last
time
because
you're
required
by
state
to
have
two
public
hearings
on
development
agreements.
No
changes
have
been
brought
forward
since
the
time
of
your
last
hearing.
Just
to
give
you
a
quick
recap,
if
you
notice
on
the
screen
there's
the
site,
it
is
over.
One
acre
and
arian
expands.
I
Both
sides
of
east
shore
drive
it's
in
the
marina
district
beach
by
design.
There
are
essentially
four
changes
in
this
development
agreement.
First,
it
would
increase
the
number
of
hotel
units
from
74
to
91
through
the
tdr
process
at
the
community
development
board,
and
it
would
increase
the
height
from
65
feet
to
80.
beach
by
design
provides
for
height
bonuses.
I
I
T
D
I
know
we
normally
reappoint,
and
this
is
a
little
difficult
because
I
I
do
know
carmen
and
she's
a
very
nice
person.
However,
she
has
had
three
absences
in
the
last
year
and
I
will
tell
you
when
I
attend
the
meetings.
D
She's
not
she's,
not
commenting
a
lot,
and
so
I
think
we
should
consider
one
of
the
other
applicants
in
looking
at
them.
I
know
melissa
coley.
I
know
that
she
is
very
engaged
in
the
community.
She
lives
in
north
greenwood.
She
runs
a
daycare.
She
deals
with.
D
You
know:
parents
who
are
unlimited
incomes,
and
I
know
that
she's.
She
leads
the
youth
council
with
naacp
and
she
speaks
up.
I
mean
she
uses
her
voice,
and
so
I
think
she
would
be
a
good
addition,
but
it's
it
is
tough
when
somebody
wants
to
be
reappointed.
But
you
know
there
is
an
attendance
and
you
know
at
the
meetings
that
I
I
do
attend.
There
hasn't
been
a
lot
of
participation.
F
G
My
question
is:
have
we
spoke
with
carmen
about
her
attendance.
T
G
Way,
it's
not
been
an
issue,
I
would.
I
would
lean
towards
reappointing
carmen
with
the
understanding
that
you
know
if
she's
not
able
to
attend.
If,
if
she
is
not
able
to
attend
or
her
attendances
comes
into
question,
we
can
we
have
the
ability
to
ask
her
to
step
down
correct.
T
H
That's
remember
all
britain
yeah,
I
I
kind
of
agree
if
it
was
something
that's
not
as
of
late.
It
started
out
with
her
being
missing
some
meetings,
but
she
hadn't
lately.
You
know.
D
I
think
part
of
our
understanding
is
when
I
attend
advisory
boards
again
I'll
I'll.
Let
you
know.
First
of
all,
this
is
a
difficult
one,
because
it's
at
9am
and
a
lot
of
work
and
carmen
works.
Melissa
coley
runs
a
daycare
she's
working.
She
has
people
that
full-time
employees
that
are
there,
I'm
assuming
what
would
take
over.
But
you
know
it's
tough
to
get
here.
D
I
I
get
that,
but
when
you're
here
you
need
to
be
actively
engaged
and
and
and
a
number
of
the
advisory
boards
that
I
am
sitting
out
there.
People
are
on
this
diocese
and
they
don't
open
their
mouth.
D
G
G
Interaction
amongst
the
board
because
they
are
here
to
advise
us
as
a
council
and
your
physical
presence
in
the
audience
can
act
as
an
inhibiting
factor
towards
that
interaction
and-
and
I
believe
that
I
would
know
you
don't
believe
that
and
that's
why
you
come
to
him.
But
I
do
believe
that
when
there's
a
council
member
sitting
in
the
audience
during
that,
I
think
it
inhibits
participation
from
the
diocese
on
to
cert
to
certain
people.
And
you
know
that's
a
discussion
for
another
day.
But
that's
my
that's
my
opinion.
T
This
call
council,
what
I
can
do
is
I'll
reach
out
to
ms
santiago
and
confirm
that
the
timing
of
the
meeting
is
not
an
issue
that
she
does
is
able
to
commit
to
it.
Even
though
applicants
are
aware
of
the
meeting
schedule
beforehand
and
then
if
she
is
unable
to
report
that
back
so
how
about
we
not
put
this
on
consent
and
bring
it
back.
T
Appoint
one
member
to
the
environmental
advisory
board
to
fill
the
remainder
of
an
unexpired
term
through
september
30,
2022
council
members
in
your
agenda,
pacquiao
had
applications
for
erica
scamia,
dina
stanley,
sheila
sullivan,
nicholas
west
and
dagmar
ortiz,
mr
wright
had
to
resign
from
the
board,
and
that
was
because
of
his
work
commitments.
He
was
unable
to
make
the
meeting
no
longer
be
able
to
make
the
meeting
time.
A
Hearing
don
anything
else
from
mr
jennings
at
this
time.
B
Thank
you
mayor.
I
just
wanted
to
remind
the
council,
you
and
the
council
and
the
public
that
tomorrow
evening,
at
6
pm
at
station
square,
we
will
have
the
tree
lighting
and
the
parks
and
recreation
department
has
put
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
into
this,
and
we
hope
that
many
people
will
come
out
for
tomorrow
evening.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
F
F
I
am
working
on
three
hours
of
sleep
and
in
scientology
terms,
that
would
mean
I'm
unsessionable.
I
would
not
be
able
to
hold
on
to
the
e-meter
cans
and
be
audited,
but
I'm
going
to
work
through
that
and
get
this
get
this
growing
here.
F
Since
our
last
meeting,
tracy
mcmanus
broke
another
huge
story
in
the
tampa
bay
times
since
july,
19
2019,
rather
eight
limited
liabilities,
companies
managed
or
operated
by
members
of
scientology
have
bought
45
properties
in
north
marina,
11.8
million
dollars
in
cash
was
used
to
buy
these
properties
again
and
no
signs
of
developments
for
any
of
the
properties.
F
Just
as
what
happened
with
the
properties
purchased
downtown
in
the
article
mayor
said
he
was
concerned,
and
I'm
sure
we
all
are
because
this
is
not
a
normal
way
of
doing
business,
but
when
it
comes
to
scientology
there
is
not
really
a
normal.
F
The
whole
agonized
future
of
this
planet,
every
man,
woman
and
child
on
it
and
your
own
destiny
for
the
next
endless
trillions
of
years
depend
on
what
you
do
here
and
now
with
and
in
scientology,
and
this
by
the
way
you
study
this
at
the
beginning
of
of
every
course
you
pay
for
from
the
forty
dollar
communication
entry
course
all
the
way
up
to
ot8,
where
you
learn
how
to
control
matter
energy,
space
and
time.
F
So
this
this
is
a
serious
business,
and
why
do
I
bring
it
up?
Well,
it's
it's
to
explain
how
things
that
that
don't
seem
rational
to
us
may
seem
a
little
bit
different
to
a
hardcore
scientologist.
F
F
F
In
in
scientology,
I
mean,
aren't,
they
is
scientology
behind
all
the
purchases
here
since
2017
after
miss
cabbage
cut
all
communications
with
the
city.
Well,
we
don't
know
that,
but
it
sure
fits
a
pattern
on
how
scientology
behaves
and
how
it's
routinely
behaved
when
miscavige
wants
to
accomplish
something
in
1993
after
years
of
fighting
the
irs
and
what
miscavige
declared
a
war.
F
F
So
you
know
chance.
It's
coordinated
and
a
few
years
later,
miss
cabbage
used
the
same
tactics
to
destroy
the
cult
awareness
network,
which
was
a
a
small
organization.
I
think,
based
in
chicago
where
parents
who
were
concerned
about
their
kids
becoming
part
of
a
of
what
could
be
called
the
destructive
organization
would
call
for
help
and
scientology
set
out
to
destroy
that
they
had
one
of
their
scientology
attorneys
kendrick
moxen,
who,
by
the
way,
was
an
unindicted
co-conspirator
in
the
crimes
that
sent
all
these
11
scientologists
to
prison.
F
So
kendrick
boxen
found
a
member
of
a
christian-based
cult
and
said:
hey
I'll
I'll.
Do
your
case
for
you
for
free,
it's
on
me
and
he
he
took
down
the
cult
awareness
network
with
that
and
it
helped
that
at
the
same
time,
hundreds
of
scientologists
all
together
launched
individual
lawsuits
against
the
cult
awareness
network,
forcing
them
into
bankruptcy
and
once
can
was
in
bankruptcy.
F
Now,
when
parents
who
call
the
the
cult
awareness
network,
they
get
a
scientology,
a
scientologist
who
answers
the
phone
ksw
tell
there's
a
a
pattern
here.
F
No
scientologists
think
that
they're
doing
anything
wrong
because
ksw
is
the
most
ethical
thing
you
can
do
by
scientology's
twisted
definition
of
ethics
and
to
show
you
what
a
small
world
that
is,
that
scientologist,
who
bought
up
the
cult
awareness
network
and
turned
it
over
to
scientology
he's
listed
as
one
of
the
seven
one
of
mana,
one
manager
of
seven
of
the
llc's
used
to
secretly
buy
all
these
north
arena
properties.
F
His
name
is
stephen
hayes
and
I'm
not
saying
that
he's
done
anything
illegal,
I'm
just
noting
a
pattern
that
may
be
of
importance
and
speaking
of
unindicted
co-conspirators.
In
the
case
of
mary
sue
hubbard,
the
u.s
versus
mary
sue
hubbard,
there
was
a
person
from
scientology's
guardians
office
who
that
was
the
turkey
tricks
department
in
scientology,
who
tried
to
stop
a
key
figure
in
those
crimes.
Michael
meisner,
from
talking
to
the
feds,
this
unindicted
co-conspirator
went
to
meisner's
apartment
and
brought
along
a
couple
of
goons
who
stood
guard.
F
Meisner
did
manage
to
escape
after
that
and
went
straight
to
the
feds
and
that's
what
brought
down
scientology's
leadership
at
the
time
and
led
to
the
the
the
raids
on
scientology
headquarters
that
exposed
all
the
the
criminal
activities
that
they
had
been
involved
with,
including
here
in
clearwater.
F
E
F
I'm
not
suggesting
that
unindicted
co-conspirator
brian
andrus
did
anything
illegal
or
improper.
In
fact,
he's
done
the
right
thing
by
actually
developing
the
high
and
condo
complex,
marina
bay
880
in
that
area
and
if
scientologists
buy
property
and
put
it
to
use.
That's
great.
I
can
support
that.
There
are
businesses,
successful
businesses,
downtown
that
are
owned
in
buildings
that
are
owned
by
scientologists
and
they
lease
out
space
to
folks
who
aren't
and
that's
the
way
it
should
be.
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
F
Although
a
few
days
ago,
I
stopped
at
the
downtown
pizza-
and
I
did
run
into
a
couple
of
guys
who
told
me
that
they
tried
to
open
up
a
business
on
the
500
block
of
cleveland
and
the
scientologist
owner
of
that
building
would
not
give
them
a
long-term
lease.
He
wanted
month-to-month
only
and
these
these
folks
said
I'm
supposed
to
sink
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
into
fixing
up
the
joint,
and
I
don't
have
any
guarantee
that
I
I'm
gonna
be
able
to
stay
here
for
a
while.
F
So
in
that
way
we
have
to
ask
more
of
these
owners.
We
have
to
ask
what
their
plans
are
and
we
have
to
ask
them
to
be
better
stewards
of
the
properties
that
they
own.
I
don't
think
that's
asking
too
much.
F
You
know
by
the
way
I
mentioned
marina
bay,
880
scientology
880
is
a
book
by
l,
ron,
hubbard
and
I'd
be
happy
to
to
loan
you
a
copy
if
you'd
like
to
read
it,
but
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
turn
to
people
like
brian
andrus
and
stu
schauerman,
one
of
his
close
friends.
I
I
heard
him
talking
about
their
time
together
on
a
podcast
the
other
day.
F
I
hope
we
can
urge
these
people
to
be
open
and
honest
about
their
plans,
because
we
really
do
need
to
understand
what
the
hell
is
going
on
here.
We
also
have
an
elected
official
sitting
on
the
downtown
development
board,
who
was
the
real
estate
broker
in
38
of
these
north
marina
properties
that
list
her
husband
as
the
llc
manager?
And
surely
we
should
expect
terry
novitskiy
to
have
clearwater's
best
interests
in
mind
and
help
us
understand
what
the
hell
is
going
on.
F
You
know
we
need
to
keep
clearwater
working
and
I
hope
that
we
with
our
new
city
manager
and
our
new
city
attorney,
I
I
hope
we
continue
seriously
thinking
about
ways
we
can
deal
with
this
unorthodox
situation
and
I
I
will
rest
my
case.
G
A
G
F
You
know
our
our
team
here
in
clearwater
to
be
reaching
out
to
the
state
attorney
and
the
federal
government
and
see
if
maybe
there
could
be
a
a
grand
jury
started
to
investigate
some
of
these
things,
if
not
the
purchasing
of
property
than
any
of
the
other
number
of
illegal
things
that
that
scientology
conducts
here
constantly
you
know
all
the
sea
org
members,
a
lot
of
them
are
brought
over
here
on
overseas
work,
visas
and
they're
they're
visas
have
been
historically
taken
from
them
and
held
by
scientology,
making
it
a
little
difficult
for
them
to
leave
if
they
want
to,
and
that's
just
one
of
the
controlling
issues
that
scientology
uses,
I
mean,
if
you
want
to
invest
human
trafficking.
F
Oh
there's
a
there's,
a
place
to
start
or
elder
abuse
attorney.
Graham
berry
has
been
successfully
taking
clients
to
to
court
who
have
been
as
elders
abused
by
scientology's
sales
tactics
where,
where
they
use
these
high
pressure
tactics
that
a
a
scientologist
will
come
to
their
home
and
say:
oh
well,
I'll
help
you
open
up
credit
cards
and
build
that
on
the
phone.
With
the
credit
card,
companies
open
up
an
account
and
then
say
hey:
we
need
to
boost
this,
this
amount.
F
We
need
to
put
more
on
that
and
they
get
the
approval
and
then
immediately
the
scientologist
charges
all
their
scientology
programs
to
to
these
folks
cards
and
they
you
know
they
have
an
income
of
like
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
year.
The
scientologist
was
saying
it's
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
income,
so
this
is
fraudulent
credit
card
use
that
is
routine
and,
and
it
really
should
be
looked
at
so
I
I
I
think
we
we
should
consider
this
not
as
it's
a
church
in
the
area.
F
Many
people
considered
organized
crime
and
I
don't
think
that's
a
stretch.
If
the
mob
said
you
know
we're
a
religion
and
guns
are
religious
artifacts.
They
probably
wouldn't
get
away
with
it
for
too
long,
but
if
you
can
convince
a
court
as
l
ron,
hubbard
put
it
back
in
1953
when
he
asked
how's
the
religion
angle
coming
if
we
can
get
it
approved,
I
I
know
I
can
make
it
stick.
G
E
G
G
F
F
I'm
sure
it's
gonna
be
like
last
time
it
will
be
four
against
one
or
three
against
one
sort.
So
I'm
not
sure
that
that's
effective,
but
I
wanted
to
open
up
a
conversation,
so
we
can
have
more
input
if
people
want
to
come
on
thursday
and
talk
about
this.
That's
fine
scientologists
want
to
come
and
talk
about
this
I'd
be
happy
to
to
to
have
that
happen,
but
for
us
to
just
sit
back
and
go
well,
it
bought
more
property
and
nothing
we
can
do
about
it.
It's
not
illegal.
F
Myself
I
mean
I
haven't,
launched
the
website
yet,
but
I
I
bought
a
website
domain
tax
scientology
now
and
I'll,
be
putting
up
a
site
urging
people
to
contact
their
representatives
and
and
seek
some
hearings
because
the
the
public
education
on
scientology,
the
awareness
now
is
so
high
after
going
clear
and
leah
remini
scientology
in
the
aftermath
and
the
dozens
of
books
that
have
been
written
by
pulitzer
prize-winning
journalists
and
former
members,
there's
lots
of
information
that
people
on
the
street
know.
F
F
H
You
know
mark
we
get
criticized
up
here
by
you
and
other
ex-scientologists
that
we're
scared
of
scientology.
We
don't
want
to
ask
any
questions
or
do
anything
and
that's
just
not
true.
H
I'm
not
scared
at
all
of
scientology,
but
I
have
to
have
something
in
my
hand
to
say:
yes,
they've
actually
done
something
illegal
to
act
on
it.
I
can't
I
all
your
stories.
You've
said
I've
heard
a
million
times
before,
but
nobody's
given
me
a
list
saying
okay
here
it
is
right
here:
here's
where
they've
broken
the
law.
There's
10
things
right
here.
If
I
had
that
that'd
be
the
first
thing.
H
H
H
Try
to
think
how
legally
we
can
make
downtown
vibrant,
even
with
their
properties
owned
now.
Brian
anders
is
a
good
example
he's
a
developer
as
with
some
other
developers
that
have
made
some
really
nice
things
when
they
buy
properties,
but
I
realize
that
a
lot
of
people
have
overpaid
for
properties
and
they've
bought
them
and
they're
sitting
on
them
doing
nothing,
because
that's
what
they've
been
told
to
do.
I
I
know
that
because
nobody
buys
a
property
overpays
for
it
and
doesn't
get
a
return
on
the
somehow
right
away.
H
So
if
you
could
tell
me
that
you've
been
on
council
now
for
two
years,
you
know
come
to
us
and
say
here's
proof
right
here
what
they're
doing
that's
illegal,
besides
just
all
the
stuff
that
we
hear
about
that
they
we
don't
like,
but
they're
doing
it,
because
it's
legal,
I
don't
think
we
have
anything
any
leg
to
stand
on
now.
We've
talked
to
pam
aiken
about
it.
H
H
H
H
What
I
can
do
is
figure
out
how
I
can
work
around
them
to
get
downtown
vibrant,
maybe
there's
some
things
we
can
do,
and
I've
talked
to
john
and
I've
talked
to
david
about
it.
I
think
we
can
maybe
change
some
codes
and
bring
things
in
that
bring
people
downtown
in
front
of
their
buildings
that
are
empty
and
that's
something
I'd
like
to
to
you
know,
keep
looking
into
and
see.
If
there's
we
can
do
that,
but
there's
nothing
we
can
do
to
get
around
the
law
on
this.
H
H
F
Yeah-
and
I
I
don't
think
we'll
see
any
help
from
scientology
in
the
future,
but
yeah
things
things
may
change
after
45
some
years,
but
at
any
rate
in
some
of
the
videos
that
I
I've
done
with
aaron
smith
levin,
who
is
running
before
a
seat
here,
I
I
do
say
no
one's
afraid
of
scientology
sitting
up
here.
I
may
have
said
that
earlier,
but
now
I
say
no
one
is
paid
off
by
scientology
nobody's
in
scientology's
pocket.
It's
it's!
None
of
that
stuff.
It's
a
matter
of
you
know.
F
F
To
look
into
this
because
I
mean,
after
all,
it
wasn't
until
meisner
escaped
from
his
captivity
and
went
to
the
feds
that
they
had
enough
to
to
raid
the
scientology's
headquarters
and
found
all
of
the
crimes
that
had
been
going
on
back
in
the
70s
and
there's
plenty
of
abuses
and
crimes
being
going
on.
Now.
F
I
don't
have
a
meisner
that
we
can
turn
to,
but
if
we
can
convince
somebody
that
there's
sure
a
pattern
here
worth
investigating,
maybe
and
and
I've
talked
to
david
about
this-
and
I
may
be
well
off
base
on
this.
But
maybe
somebody
can
launch
a
grand
jury
to
to
be
probing
subpoenaing
and
digging
for
documents
that
would
uncover
some
of
the
situations
that
have
been
going
on.
Maybe
there
is
some
information
about
collusion
in
all
the
purchase
of
the
properties.
F
Maybe
there's
just
tax.
F
Problems
that
you
know
scientology
used
for
decades,
this
building
that
we
we
gave
the
these
developers
half
a
million
dollars
to
restore
and
scientology,
have
been
using
that
for
storage,
they've
been
using
it
to
train
auditors,
they
they
actually
did
the
ot3
course
in
that
building
for
decades,
did
they
pay
any
taxes
on
that
building,
or
was
that
just
unclaimed?
F
I
mean
it
wasn't
owned
by
scientology.
Where
were
they
renting
space
to
do
all
of
this?
Maybe
they
weren't.
Maybe
if
you
look
into
some
of
this
stuff
and
you
find
out-
oh
yeah,
there's
there's
all
sorts
of
crazy,
hidden
stuff
here
through
their
labyrinth
of
organizations,
and
there
are
things
that
that
can
that
are
actionable.
F
We
can't
we
can't
find
that
out,
but
somebody
with
more
power
who
might
be
able
to
start
an
investigation
probably
would-
and
you
know,
there's
there's
a
world
of
people
out
there
now
who
aren't
afraid
to
speak
up
and
in
in
the
latest
article
about
mr
jennings,
starting
here,
tracy
big
man
has
talked
about
how
you
and
mr
jennings
and
mr
margolis
are
going
to
sit
down
to
meet
with
david
miscavige.
F
F
F
Vibrant
downtown,
I
mean
that
to
me
would
be
a
proactive
step
that
we
could
take.
That
would
make
the
city
people
in
the
city
who
who
are
concerned
about
the
council
say:
oh,
they
do
have
some
balls.
Okay,
they
are
trying
to
do
something
they
are
taking.
Some
action,
maybe
won't
strip
them
of
the
tax
exempt
status.
F
Maybe
we
won't
convince
any
of
those
property
owners
to
actually
do
anything
with
the
properties
they
purchased
at
exorbitant
prices.
Maybe
but
at
least
the
people
in
clearwater
and
around
the
world
frankly
would
be
happy
to
see
that
we're
trying
to
do
something
and
sitting
down
with
mike
rinder
is
not
that
hard
of
an
ask.
So
can.
A
F
Right,
so
all
right,
so
you
don't
need
to
be
in
this
meeting.
A
F
A
F
Well,
you
know
it's
not
so
much
that
he
hasn't
said
well.
The
mayor
won't
talk
to
me
because
I
haven't
talked
about
that.
I've
talked
to
him
about
speaking
with
the
city
manager
and
the
city
attorney.
Okay,
you
know
scientology
you,
you
lived
here,
I
I
know
pretty
much
your
stance
on
scientology
and
you're,
not
in
anyone's
pocket.
F
Well,
thanks,
but
but
again,
just
just
for
the
sake
of
the
public,
saying
oh
they're,
not
just
sitting
back
and
going
nothing
we
could
do.
Maybe
we
could
try
something
even
if
it's
just
to
sit
down
and
educate
our
our
newest
leaders
about
what
what
happens
here
in
the
city
council.
D
Yeah,
well
I
respect
your
passion
mark
and
I
and
I'm
glad
you
shared
what
your
concerns
are.
I
would
well
just
since
we're
going
on
the
record,
I'm
not
afraid
of
scientology
whatever
that
means
I'll
meet
with
anyone,
and
you
know
I'm
willing
to
learn.
I
would
swing
this
over
to
our
city
attorney
and
ask
him
what
are
our
options
here.
N
I
would
be
reluctant
to
comment
too
much
at
a
public
meeting.
I
mean
there's
a
couple
different,
there's
a
lot
of
things
to
dissect
here
right,
I
mean
one
aspect
of
this:
to
dissect
is
whether
or
not
there's
any
illegal
activity
taking
place,
that's
kind
of
one
set
of
issues
and
then,
as
a
totally
separate
set
of
issues
there's
in
the
absence
of
any
illegal
activity
or
even
in
the
presence
of
illegal
activity.
N
What
is
a
council's
role,
and
what
can
this
city
do
if
anything,
to
navigate
that
that
process?
So
I
mean
those
are
kind
of
two
big
issues
to
unpack
the
way
I
see
it
as
someone
who's
brand
new
to
the
city
and
who
does
not
come
in.
N
You
know
with
the
background
with
the
decades
of
history
that
many
of
you
have
there's
really
three
big
picture:
philosophical
approaches
that
the
council
can
take
when
it
comes
to
interacting
with
scientology
one
philosophical
approach
is
to
partner
with
them
and
to
find
a
way
to
move
forward
that
advances
both
of
our
interests.
The
second
philosophical
approach
is
to
build
around
them
to
effectively
ignore
them,
don't
talk
to
them.
N
Those
are
what
I
see
as
kind
of
the
three
big
picture:
philosophical
approaches
of
how
to
approach
this
topic,
which
of
those
three
philosophies
to
pursue,
is
really
a
decision
for
council.
I
feel
that
mr
jennings
and
I
probably
are
going
to
take
our
lead
from
the
majority
of
council
as
to
what
direction
you
guys
want
to
go
once
a
philosophical
approach
has
been
outlined
to
us,
which
I
would
recommend
during
one-on-ones
or
mr
jennings,
and
I
can
meet
with
each
of
you
individually
to
get
a
sense
of
that
that
kind
of
guides
everything
else.
N
We
can
certainly
ask
if
that's
what
council
would
like
us
to
do.
D
G
I
would
you
take
somebody
like
the
irs,
the
federal
government,
and
you
give
somebody
a
tax
exemption
on
something.
I
think
the
irs
pays
pretty
close
attention.
Hey
these
people
have
a
tax
exemption,
and
it's
based
on
this.
We
need
to
make
sure
they
still
have
that.
I
would
think
it
would
be
good
business
and
standard
good
standard
and
business
practice
to
periodically
verify
that
they
still
whatever
entity
it
is,
is
entitled
to
whatever
tax
exemption.
It
is
they've
been
granted
that
to
me
that
just
makes
common
sense.
G
Now,
whether
or
not
they've
done
that-
I
don't
know-
I
don't
know
but
yeah
like
I've
said
many
many
times
I
was
born
here
before
scion.
I
was
here
before
scientology
ever
got
here.
I've
been
here
the
whole
time
they've
been
here,
am.
N
G
G
Verifiable
actionable
crime
by
scientology
you
bring
forward
a
verifiable
actionable
crime
of
scientology.
I
guarantee
you,
the
clark
police
department
will
jump
all
over
it.
They'll
they'll
investigate
it,
just
like
they
do
everything
else,
but
you
gotta,
br,
you've
got
to
have
that
and,
to
my
knowledge,
just
hasn't
come
forward.
So
you
know
it's.
F
Scientologists
have
a
policy
that
you
don't
go
to
the
police.
F
That's
why
we
cover
up
scientology
covers
up
a
lot
of
the
crimes,
because
they're
told
that
as
a
scientologist,
if
you
report
some
crime
to
the
police,
well
you're
going
to
be
disconnected,
you'll,
be
tossed
out
and
you
won't
see
your
family
anymore,
and
you
know
the
the
police
and
lawyers.
That's
all
part
of
a
log
world
which
we
are
part
of.
We
are
lowly
logs
who
don't
have
hubbard's
tech.
These
are
the
terms
that
that
they
use
so
scientologists
are
trained
not
to
trust
authority.
F
Only
listen
to
what
scientology
says
so
it
is.
It
is
hard
to
get
people
to
come
forward.
It'd
be
great
if
we
had
an
atmosphere
where
people
really
felt
safe
coming
to
us,
but
then
we
have
all
the
sunshine
laws
here
where
we
couldn't
keep
anyone
secret
if
they
did
reach
out
to
us.
A
F
F
F
And
we
should
be
coming
up
with
some
some
new
tactics
to
tackle
this
problem
and-
and
I
believe,
that's
something
that
is
already
being
considered
so.
A
That's
all
well,
I
think
everybody
is
concerned.
I
certainly.
A
Stunted
growth
and
you
know
the
things
that
have
been
done
over
the
years.
I
think,
have
improved
things,
but
we
should
be
much
further
along
than
we
are
and
that's
extraordinarily
disappointing
and,
as
I've
said,
I
don't
find
the
behavior
to
be
rational.
A
A
I
think
everybody's
made
clear
nobody's
scared
that
really
isn't
the
issue.
A
A
D
Okay,
so
some
ideas
for
items
for
the
future,
maybe
reports
from
our
economic
development
and
cra
directors
to
see
how
green
print
and
our
stated
goals
are
what
happened
to
that
new
business?
Okay,
oh,
can
our
fleet
manager
perry,
cos
and
present
to
the
council
our
plans
for
transitioning
our
fleet
to
evs
what
that
means
what
it
looks
like
in
the
timeline
and
budget?
D
So
you
know
there
was
some
information
that
targeted,
mailers
or
outreach
to
voters
would
go
to
hot
voters,
and
so
when
I
look
at
voters,
you
know
we,
I
classify
them
as
hot,
warm
or
cold
based
on
their
how
many
elections
they
vote
in
and
then
we
have
new
voters
and
I
would
think
that
it
might
be
better
to
target
warm
and
new
voters,
rather
than
hot
hot
voters
tend
to
turn
up.
Regardless
of
a
bunch
of
mailings,
but
anyway
that's
just
conversation,
maybe
in
the
future.
B
Yeah
I
just
I
just
I
did
want
to
respond
to
councilmember
beckman
as
we
discussed
last
week.
Mrs
call,
and
I
will
we'll
talk
today
or
whenever
she
has
time
and
then
the
other
items
you
had
mentioned.
I
just
need
to
talk
with
the
directors
to
see
whether,
where
we
are
with
each
one
of
those
before
they
get
scheduled.
D
Well
and
I'm
thinking
that
you
know
with
the
county
adopting
their
renewable
energy
goals,
those
ready
for
100
targeted
goals
relates
to
sustainability
and
the
environment
that
you
know.
That
means
a
whole
county
is
kind
of
on
board
here
heading
in
that
direction,
and
how
does
that
impact
our
reaching
out
to
developers
and
businesses.
A
So
I
know
the
moratorium
concept
is
frightening
to
some.
We've
only
talked
about
twice,
I
think
in
my
20-year
history
and
we
back
down
on
both
of
them,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
lost
opportunity
that
we're
going
to
look
back
and
regret.
So
all
right
with
that
we're
adjourned,
we'll
see
everybody
thursday.