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A
B
Horner
Thank
You,
mayor
council,
mr.
Dell
and
Jay
Ravens
will
go
over
the
expense
forecast.
Imagine
Clearwater
nepo
theater.
That
is
what
the
focus
on
this
work
session
is
all
about
and
I
think
to
express
an
overall
outcome
that
we'd
like
to
to
to
have
at
the
end
of
this
is
some
real,
clear
direction
and
focus
a
clear
expression
of
what
you
all
are
expecting
as
a
result
of
the
information
that
we
discuss.
C
Yes,
mayor
council,
michael
dell
assistant
city
manager,
just
want
to
kind
of
set
the
the
stage
here
with
why
we're
having
this
discussion
with
you
and
as
bill
suggested
kind
of
what
the
outcome
we
want
to
try
to
achieve
with
you
today
is
just
so.
You
know
we're
one
of
the
reasons
we're
here
primarily
is
we're
getting
very
quickly
towards
construction,
so
once
we
get,
that
started
will
be
will
be
all
in.
C
We
continue
to
design
every
phase
of
the
park
and
the
amphitheater
venue
per
your
direction
from
April
February,
12th
skanska
will
be
meeting
with
us
internally
and
we'll
have
our
first
iteration
of
starting
to
really
focus
or
narrow
down
on
the
construction
costs.
So
today
our
discussion
is
not
intended
to
focus
on
construction
cost
as
much
as
the
operational
impact
of
the
amphitheater,
but
you
know
there's
some
of
those
that
are
obviously
there
there
they
cross
over
impact
one
another.
We've
got
a
eh
RNA,
which
is
finishing
up.
C
The
request
for
qualification
work
talked
about
that
in
December,
that'll
be
happening
in
February,
so
will
be,
will
have
a
request
for
qualifications
on
the
street
and
then
over.
The
next
several
months
towards
the
summer
will
have
to
work
on
finalizing
some
of
the
referendum
language
that
we'll
need
for
this
fall's
referendum.
So
what
we
provided
to
you
is
some
initial
construction
costs,
analysis
or
operational
cost
analysis.
This
is
an
operational
kind
of
impact
discussion.
We've
got
some
options
today
that
I'd
like
to
you
know
throw
out
there
that
are
you
know
at
your
discretion.
C
As
you
have
directed
from
April,
you
can
defer
any
modification
or
consider
the
consideration
of
this.
Obviously
to
the
next
legislative
body.
I,
don't
need
to
tell
you,
we've
got
you
limited
opportunity
for
you
to
weigh
in
so
we've
got
February
meetings
beyond
that.
So
this
gives
us
an
opportunity
if
you've
got
any
direction
that
you
want
to
have
brought
back
to
you
for
those
February
meetings.
We
can
still
have
time
to
do
that
or,
if
you'd
any
of
these
decisions,
you
want
to
defer
you
could.
Theoretically,
you
could
do
that
as
well.
C
We're
not
going
to
make
that
choice.
However,
for
you,
so
we
can
look
for
some
modification
to
the
plan
either
in
terms
of
the
coverage
seating
at
the
back
of
house.
I
know:
you've,
you've,
gotten
input
from
potential
users
who
tell
you
what's
important
to
the
that
infrastructure
long
term.
So
you
will
no
doubt
way
that
or
we
can
modify
the
park
in
the
bandshell
back
towards
the
original
plan,
with
any
further
development
back
a
house
or
covered
seating
or
so
on
being
later
phases
down
the
road.
C
So
that's
kind
of
the
that's
the
other
extreme
from
you
know,
stay
the
course
completely
or
you
know,
go
back
to
the
original
plan,
but
we're
not
assuming
that.
That's
your
your
choice.
So
there
are
some
opportunities
for
modifications.
If
you
so
choose
it's
not.
My
only
point
of
that
is
it's
not
too
late
to
make
changes
if
they're
ones
that
you
want
to
make,
but
as
we
get
towards
permitting,
then
we're
we're
clearly
going
to
be
all
in
for
what
we
construct
and
built.
C
So
with
that
I'm
gonna,
ask
we've
tried
to
take
a
lot
of
these.
These
estimates
of
operational
impacts
FTEs
for
the
extent
of
the
venue
use,
that's
been
presented
to
you,
although
there
are
no
guarantees
for
that.
Obviously,
so
those
are
estimates
subject
to
others,
but
with
that
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Jay
who's,
going
to
come
up
and
kind
of
walk
us
through
the
summary
financial.
D
As
you
are
aware,
web
management
built
a
revenue
and
expense
model
for
proposed
amphitheater
operations
in
detail
by
individual
event,
in
collaboration
with
city
staff.
They
prepared
the
model
for
three
different
activity
level
scenarios
minimal
utilization,
which
is
similar
to
the
current
programming
level
for
coachmen
Park
conservative
utilization,
which
includes
a
higher
degree
of
programming
and
aggressive
utilization
for
comparison.
Minimum
utilization
assumes
69
use
days
per
year,
including
prep
days,
conservative
119
use
days
and
aggressive
200
East
days.
D
We
have
attempted
to
include
all
cost
to
the
city,
including
public
safety
costs,
to
support
events,
debt
service
costs
for
bonds
to
finance
the
amphitheater
and
an
annual
set-aside
for
capital,
repairs
and
renovations
per
the
summary
that's
displayed
on
the
screen.
The
estimated
annual
net
cost
to
the
city
for
the
amphitheater
operations
per
the
model
totals
approximately
2.4
million
under
the
minimal
utilization,
2.3
million
for
the
conservative
utilization
and
2.1
million
for
the
aggressive
utilization.
E
D
E
Question
here,
I've
got
to
base
year
pro
forma
operating
budgets.
I've
got
one
that
was
given
to
me
by
Michael
Delk.
That
I
made
notes
on
and
then
I
have
one
that
I
downloaded
and
printed
out
this
morning,
and
the
figures
are
different
and
I
just
want
to
know
what
was
changed
because
we
have
the
total
concert
days
on
the
aggressive
is
81.
However,
the
conservative
use
elation
went
from
43
to
45
and
then
middle
uses
a
she
went
from
24
to
27,
and
the
total
deficits
have
all
changed.
D
E
C
D
That
was
remember
all
Britons
of
the
45
days
that
you
mentioned
for
conservative
is
on
the
current
draft.
That's
displayed
for
the
concert
days.
If
you
look
at
the
concert
dated
row
up
at
the
top
you'll
see
the
45
for
conservative
and
you'll
see
the
27
for
minimal.
Is
that
what
you
had
said
you
were
expecting.
E
D
The
issue
may
have
been:
there
are
two
attachments
to
the
agenda:
there's
one
attachment
that
has
all
the
detail
that
is
very
difficult
to
read,
if
not
impossible,
to
read
that
has
a
that
was
that
was
a
version
at
an
earlier
date.
The
summary
page
you
have,
there
is
probably
with
that
PDF,
which
was
a
previous
version.
Then
the
one
sheet
stand
alone
was
the
current,
updated
version.
D
D
E
A
C
Know
what
it's
nearly
impossible
to
go
through
large
Excel
spreadsheets,
so
we
gave
you
a
summation
document
in
order
to
afford
us
the
opportunity
to
have
a
discussion
about
that
without
those
large
Excel
spreadsheets.
If
you've
got
questions
about
what
is
behind
some
of
the
numbers,
we
can
certainly
try
to
articulate
that
for
you,
but
we
intentionally
gave
a
little
distilled
the
spreadsheets
down
to
something
that's
manageable
for
us
for
a
public
meeting.
So
you
know
if
you've
got
questions
about
those
costs
or
expenses
behind
that
we'll
be
happy
to
try
to
answer
them
here.
D
D
C
You
know
we
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
to
kind
of
avoid
a
replication
of
our
number
of
inches
between
seatback
discussion
from
last
April.
I.
Think
that's
not
necessarily
very
productive
for
us
I
think
you
know
what
I,
what
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
all
are
aware
of
is
I,
think
you
know,
there's
been
some
not
we've
not
been
unanimous
in
our
approach
as
to
what
the
amphitheater
should
bring
to
us
from
a
financial
standpoint.
C
I
think
I
think
there's
been
some
discussion
that
we
should
recover
capital
costs
that
we,
you
know,
can
maintain
certain
levels
of
activity
in
the
park
with
an
amphitheater
that
may
not
be
sustainable
legally
and
otherwise.
So
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
to
to
create
a
more
realistic
picture
of
you
of
what
it
will
take
to
sustain.
You
know
keeping
in
mind
that
this
is
not
an
enclosed
building
like
Ruth
Eckerd
Hall,
but
it's
actually
a
larger
venue
than
Ruth
Eckerd
Hall.
C
C
A
F
Was
painful,
I
don't
want
to
rehash
seatback
size,
but
since
you
brought
that
up,
I
think
it
is
a
good
point,
because
when
you
and
I
know
we
hire
experts
in
the
field,
the
consultant
that's
supposed
to
have
access
and
utilize
all
data
available
to
get
to
these
numbers.
But
the
fact
that
he
didn't
present
to
us
options
in
seatback
size.
F
It
limits
it.
Since
it's
about
the
data-
and
it's
about
this
study,
the
analysis
that
web
management
service
gave
us
and
that's
why
it's
important
that
that
we
have
this
and
see
this,
because
what
I
didn't
see
anywhere
in
this
was
when
I
looked
at
it.
Did
he
reach
out
to
our
local
partners,
AEG
Ruth
Eckerd
Hall,
to
see
exactly
what
the
X,
what
the
true
real
expenses
are
in
our
market,
so
that
we
could
assimilate
that
data
to
this
I?
F
Don't
I
don't
think
we're
getting
the
benefit
of
all
the
information
and
data
necessary
and
available
like
how
can
you
guesstimate
the
expenses
when
you
and
I've
reached
out
the
reh
and
AEG
they?
They
were
not
called
once
management
on
any
of
this
information.
So
to
me,
that's
a
critical
missing
piece
of
all
this
data
I
mean,
for
instance,
I
did
come
around
to
the
point
where
okay
capital
cost
recovery
is
going
to
be.
This
is
going
to
be
a
public.
It's
a
public,
subsidised
Park.
F
A
G
F
So
recovering
capital
costs,
no
recovering
operating
costs
or
at
least
break
even
I.
Think
there's
going
to
be
a
public
subsidy
nobody's
gonna,
be
happy
with
this
number,
but
I,
don't
think.
That's
an
accurate
number
based
on
the
data
we've
given
based
on
conversations
I've
had
in
the
outside,
so
I
really
questioned
that
data.
What
is
an
acceptable
number
for
public
support?
And
let's
remember
that
this
is
the
spark
plug
to
get
private
investment
in
happen
downtown.
F
This
is
the
I
won't
say
it's
the
Silver
Bullet
there's
a
lot
of
other
things
going
on,
but
to
start
downsizing,
diminishing
picking
apart
this
project,
I'm
still
hearing
people
out
in
the
private
sector
saying
that
some
staff
is
going
around
still
trying
to
to
beat
up
and
bash
the
cover.
Listen,
we
got
a
pair.
This
whole
thing
apart.
You
don't
get
rid
of
the
world-class
stage
and
you
don't
get
rid
of
the
covered
seating
that
they're
not
gonna,
call
okay
and
you
got
to
have
permanent
restaurant
and
I.
F
Don't
I've
been
accused
of
being
in
bed
with
Ruth
Eckerd
Hall
to
the
good
old
boys
out
there.
This
is
so
far
from
the
truth:
Ruth
Eckerd
Hall
does
not
comp
anybody.
Any
tickets,
no
cheque
from
any
member
of
Ruth
Eckerd
Hall,
was
never
made
to
my
campaign.
This
is
about
my
experience
from
jazz
holiday.
Putting
on
special
events
and
council
needs
the
benefit
of
every
bit
of
relative
data,
not
just
from
web
consulting,
even
though
we
hired
them.
F
B
B
Number
one
if
you've
got
comments
about,
what's
there
has
been
saying
like
then
the
least
you
can
do
is
give
us
some
specifics
as
to
who's
doing
it,
instead
of
just
throwing
it
out
there,
because
it's
my
understanding.
Staff
is
on
board
with
what
you
all
have
told
us
to
do
so
I
mean
I'm,
not
I.
Have
no
idea
about
anybody
going
around
undermining
what
we're
talking
about
number
two.
We
have
had
discussions
with
rejected
Hall
we've
had
discussions
with
Live
Nation
we've
had
discussions
with.
Is
it
a
g8?
What
what's
the
each
agent?
B
What
agency
AEG
and
one
of
the
things
that
you
get
and
talking
to
all
of
them
who
are
expert
in
there
and
they're
in
there
in
their
business?
They
all
have
perspectives.
They
all
have
a
particular
point
of
view
about
what
we
should
do
and
what
is
needed.
One
of
the
things
that
we
needed
from
where
management
was
kind
of
an
objective
view
of
some
of
these
things.
So
you
telling
me
now
that,
because
we
didn't
call
them,
this
data
is
not
valid.
B
If
the
council
believes
that
they
want
these
operators
consulted
in
an
analysis,
they
will
certainly
go
ahead
and
do
that
but
I
don't
know
if
you've
had
the
same
kind
of
conversations
that
we
have
had
I
mean
we're
trying
to
be
objective
about
this,
both
in
terms
of
the
cost
both
in
terms
of
FTE.
It
doesn't
mean
that
we
completely
agree
with
with
web
management.
It
was
it
was.
It
was
just
an
opportunity
to
to
get
somebody
to
give
us
some
feedback
that
have
worked
with
those
other
partners
in
the
past.
B
F
F
I'm
not
convinced
I
can
make
a
decision,
which
is
probably
okay,
because
the
next
legislative
body
will
be
here
in
about
seven
weeks
so
but
I
think
they're
going
to
need
as
we
go
forward.
I'm
gonna
keep
pushing
to
get
more
accurate.
True
current
relative
data
to
make
decisions
on
and
they're
absolutely
gonna
need
it.
Thank.
A
H
Not
sure
how
to
form
all
this
in
a
question
either
but
being
work
session,
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
do
I
can't
I,
don't
disagree
with
some
of
the
things
that
council
member
bocalee
said.
However,
I
kind
of
I
chuckled
to
myself
when
I
look
at
some
of
this
stuff
and
they've
got
it,
you
know
the
numbers
are
right
down
to
the
50
since
as
a
projection.
H
This
is
from
30,000
feet,
which
is
where
we
are
right
now
on
this
trying
to
put
everything
together
to
be
able
to
drill
it
down
to
you
know
the
dollar
and
the
50
senses
is,
you
know,
I'm,
not
sure
how
much
yeah
I
can't
put
on
percent
faith,
and
that
number
is
dead-on,
but
anybody
up
here
if
anybody
up
here
wants
to
raise
their
hand.
Raise
your
hand
if
you
thought
building
this
and
doing
this
was
gonna
make
up
profit
I.
A
H
A
H
You're
going
to
need
concessions
when
you're
having
an
event
in
the
park.
People
aren't
gonna,
walk
up,
sat
on
the
park
up.
So
that's
that's
a
given.
That's
that's!
That's
not
up
for
debate,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
you
know
these
numbers
are
I?
Don't
these
numbers
are
based
on
good
data
or
they
perfectly
accurate?
Absolutely
not,
but
75%
of
the
voters
in
Clearwater
said
we
want
the
park
redone.
What's
there
it's
not
adequate.
H
H
I've
got
you
know,
I
said
these
numbers
also
don't
include
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
other
revenue
naming
rights
being
probably
the
number
one
thing.
However,
you
know
if
we
built
this
this
venue
with
its
potential
to
bring
the
numbers
of
people
in
the
downtown
on
a
consistent
on
a
fairly
consistent
basis
and
our
expenses
double
from
what
it
is
to
what
they
are
today
for
what
how
many
people
today's
park
generates.
I
think
it's
money
well
spent.
H
So
if
this
is,
you
know,
these
are
not
doomsday
numbers
to
me.
You
know.
Sometimes
you
got
it.
You
know
the
old
baseball
saying
you
got
to
take
your
foot
off
the
first
base.
If
you
get
a
steal
second-
and
you
know,
I'm
not
going
to
live
in
fear
of
the
unknown
here,
I
have
faith
that
you
know
as
councilmember
Paul
Bley
said
nine
FTEs
for
this
facility.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
the
right
number,
but
we're
not
yeah
I
would
like
to
hear
from
and
put
it
out
to
it.
H
You
know
put
out
the
RFP
and
let
me
know
what
Ruth
Eckerd,
Hall
or
someone
else
says.
You
know.
Let
me
let
them
partner
with
the
city
on
the
operational
side
and
they
might
be
able
say
you
know
what
we
don't
need.
924
we're
gonna
have
four
people,
but
I,
don't
know
if
the
fours
the
right
number,
but
we
don't
know
till
we
ask-
and
you
know
we
are
not.
You
know
we're
nowhere
close
to
having
to
to
say
this.
Is
it
now
yeah
the
other
numbers
we
can
break
down?
H
One
by
one
I
mean
I'm,
not
sure,
as
as
someone
pointed
out
to
me,
we're
paying?
According
to
the
cost,
estimates
were
paying
almost
$600
a
seat
for
the
4,000
seats
under
cover,
what
the
heck
kind
of
cedar
we
buy.
It
I
mean
we've
been
putting
10,000
people
in
there
for
Jenna's
holiday
on
$5
folding
chairs
for
years,
so
I'm
not
sure
we
need
to
go
to
$600
seats,
but
that's
all
stuff.
H
A
C
A
I
Jim,
hey
Leo
assistant
city
manager,
mayor
I'll,
go
over
that
was
included
in
the
proform
that
was
sent
out
last
week
on
Tuesday
to
the
council.
I'll
go
over
kind
of
the
four
examples
that
we
have
mind
you.
These
are
very
difficult
things
to
obtain
because
it's
a
private
contract
between
third
party,
so
I'll
just
give
you
some
examples
of
there's
four
right
here:
st.
Joseph's,
Health
amphitheatre
in
Syracuse,
New
York,
that
is
a
17,500
seat.
Amphitheater
of
5,000
he's
covered
that
is
$300,000
a
year.
I
I
J
G
G
C
This
really
isn't
about
the
park
as
much
as
it's
about
the
amphitheater
operational
cost.
I
think
you
know,
there's
been
some
discussion,
I
think,
as
the
mayor
alluded
to
that
the
amphitheater
would
have
somehow
sustained
the
park.
That's
really
probably
not
where
we
are
from
a
you
know:
financial
planning
standpoint.
So
that's
where
we
want
to
make
sure
you
all
are
comfortable
understand.
Then.
If
we
are
then
we're
we're
right
on
track,
we're
exactly
where
we
need
to
be
so.
C
G
G
G
If
we
already
have
in
most
in
all
of
our
parks
the
city's
contribution,
we
contribute
a
lot
of
in-kind
services.
I
had
asked
the
other
day
about
what
we
had
contributed
on
Martin
Luther,
King,
Day
and
don't
have
the
totals,
but
but
it
was
probably
close
to
fifteen
thousand
dollars
just
for
that
day,
that
the
city
contributed
in
hours
and
facilities
and
fire
trucks
coming,
and
it
was
a
wonderful
wonderful
time,
but
it
was
the
city's
contribution
and
am
I
wrong
and
thinking
that
these
parks
are
city
parks
there
for
anybody
to
come
to
enjoy.
G
G
C
D
You'll
recall
that
we
that
you
had
approved
not
to
exceed
30
million
dollars
worth
of
bonds
to
to
provide
financing
for
the
imagine
clear
water
project.
Our
current
estimate
is
approximately
25
million
of
bonds
that
would
be
issued
we're
assuming
that
the
amphitheater
costs
would
be
financed
with
the
bonds.
D
G
G
G
I
enjoy
going
to
the
concerts.
I
go
to
a
lot
of
them,
I'd
like
to
see
fewer
of
them
get
rained
out
and
by
covering
the
amphitheater
and
covering
part
of
the
audience.
We
could
have
more
concerts
that
don't
get
rained
out.
I
had
a
fellow
who
played
I
think
was
saxophone
he's
in
his
80s
now
in
the
old
Clearwater
auditorium
that
was
down
below
below
City
Hall,
some
of
you
I'm,
not
an
old-timer,
but
some
of
the
old-timers
may
remember
that
it
was
a
covered
covered
auditorium.
G
This,
then,
would
be
a
blend
between
the
to
cover
part
of
the
audience
for
a
smaller
concerts
and
protect
the
stage
from
this
old
fella
thought
he'd
get
electrocuted
when
they
moved
on
to
the
Johnson
who
built
the
villian.
Fortunately,
that
never
happened,
and
that
was
before
we
got
recommended.
These
were
my
ideas
before
Ruth
Eckerd
Hall
ever
came
with
their
ideas.
G
We
liked
the
pavilion
where
we
have
it
now,
but
it's
too
small
and
most
people
don't
know
that
we
have
to
rent
the
stage
that
we
actually
perform
and
when,
when
a
year
ago-
and
we
got,
we
got
the
first
view-
the
stage
was
exactly
the
same
size,
that's
the
old
stage
and
we
insisted
as
a
council
that
it
needs
to
be
large
enough.
So
we
don't
have
to
rent
stages.
Every
time
we
put
on
the
an
event
there.
K
A
J
Did
we
we
have
been
part
Cator
in
a
reports
of
migration
director
we've
been
very
fortunate
that
we
have
not
have
any
more
than
we
have
right
now
to
be
quite
honest
week
with
perhaps
maybe
have
one
or
two
a
year
that
may
get
rained
out,
but
I
can
only
recall,
I
mean
and
I
don't
have
Chris
here,
but
I
would
say
it.
We've
only
had
maybe
four
or
five
that
have
been
rained
out
in.
J
A
J
J
It's
not
just
this
amphitheater
that
you're
looking
at
today,
but
the
additional
maintenance
of
all
the
enhancements
that
you
are
doing
with
this
project,
including
the
library
when
we
have
to
count
the
cost
of
how
much
it's
going
to
take
to
maintain
those
now
most
of
those
things
are
basically
subsidised,
because
quite
truthfully
not
unless
there
is
money
made
from
the
amphitheater,
those
will
be
have
to
be
subsidized.
I
am
heading
up
a
committee
right
now
to
discuss
every
item.
J
That's
going
into
this
park
as
best
we
know
and
30%
drawing
60%
will
be
next
in
February
and
we're
going
to
identify
every
every.
You
know
blade
of
grass
that
needs
to
be
cut
and
every
Bush
that
needs
to
be
maintained
every
tree
that
have
to
be
trimmed
fertilize.
Those
types
of
things
to
come
back
to
you
to
present
to
you
what
it's
going
to
take
to
maintain
this
in
a
first-class
facility.
It's
not
just
the
amphitheater,
but
it's
the
entire
park
that
we're
looking
at
here,
much
like
beach
by
design.
J
J
Numbers
yeah
these
numbers
well
again,
I
think
you're,
just
focused
on
the
amphitheater.
Today
we
haven't
included,
for
example,
an
additional
five
FTEs
to
maintain
the
park.
They're,
not
included
additional
programming
to
maintain
the
Castillo
custodians
to
clean
the
restrooms
that
we're
going
to
build
in
the
park.
This
is
simply
I
believe
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
gentlemen.
A
But
but
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
keep
some
of
these
other
numbers
in
in
mind,
because
if
we're
looking
at
a
deficit
of
two
million
dollars,
you
know
that's
on
top
of
what
the
rest
of
the
park
is
is
is
gonna
cost
right,
and
you
know
again,
we
can't
lose
sight
of
the
five
that
what
we're
doing
is
not
just
building
an
amphitheater
we're
trying
to
do
a
part
we're
trying
to
revitalize
the
whole
park.
People
who
come
to
concerts
don't
necessarily
live
in
the
area.
A
What
should
we
do
or
how
much
the
amphitheater
is:
gonna
cost,
having
lost
sight
of
everything
else
that
that
we
tell
the
people.
This
was
what
imagine
Clearwater
was
all
about,
and
mr.,
don't
you
think
sister
Karen,
you
alluded
to
that.
We're
working
on
other
things
and
construction
is
ready
to
get
started,
but
I
I
would
like
you
to
clarify
what
you
meant
by
that
are
we?
Are
we
getting
ready
to
do
something
with
the
estuary
or
the
kids
area?
You
know,
where
are
those
plans
in
all.
C
Of
this
or
think
it's
kind
of
hard
to
separate,
but
we
we
almost
have
to
separate
the
park
from
the
the
venue,
the
amphitheater
we're
we're
moving
quickly
towards
being
ready
to
construct
the
park,
the
parks
in
in
pretty
good
shape.
You
know,
and
if
we
didn't
build
the
amphitheater
at
all,
we're
still
gonna
build
the
park
around
it.
I
mean
we've
got
a
park
plan,
so
we're
implementing
it.
C
So
I
think
the
question
and
why
we're
here
today
is
because
of
the
you
know:
we
need
to
set
up
and
establish
basically
another
program,
budget
budgetary
program
for
the
the
coachmen
Park
amphitheater.
So
we
can't
lease
it
out
to
Ruth
Eckerd
Hall,
as
we
do
them
the
hall
on
McMullen
booth,
so
we're
have
to
manage
the
facility,
so
we're
really
looking
at
making
sure
that
you're
comfortable
with
the
the
amphitheater
program
and
what
that
means
for
us
to
cost
start
incorporating
that
into
our
future
budgets,
starting
in
May
of
this
year.
C
So
if
we're
comfortable
with
that,
then
we
don't
need
to
do
anything
today.
We
just
keep
marching
down
the
road.
If
we're
not
comfortable
with
that,
then
you
know,
then
we
need
to
bring
you
some
modification
of
that
in
order
to
to
reduce
the
cost
of
that
program.
A
couple
of
quick
questions
that
I'll
answer
that
came
up
is
that
in
the
the
aggressive
the
payroll
is
about
10
percent
of
the
the
impact
on
the
budget
in
the.
C
Conservative,
it's
15
percent
and
then
the
minimal
usage
it's
about.
25
percent
is
what
the
the
payroll
costs
of
that
percentage
breakdown
and
1/2
an
earlier.
Did
we
vet
this
with
Ruth
Eckerd
Hall?
No,
we
did
not
and
that's
intentional
we're
building
the
park
for
the
community,
so
we
didn't
vet
that
with
Ruth
Eckerd
Hall
per
se,
but
I
think
woods
consulting
or
Duncan
rather
did
consult
them
in
the
beginning
prior
to
the
April
numbers.
So
Duncan
had
done
that.
C
But
if
you
want
this
consulted
with
somebody
else
other
than
our
professional
consulting
team
which
we
can
do,
then
you
can
direct
us
to
do
that,
but
otherwise
we're
relying
on
our
consultant
teams,
all
of
which
have
been
frankly
pretty
consistent
in
what
they're
telling
us.
So
we
have
a
fair
amount
of
confidence
in
that.
But
you
know
all
the
numbers.
Are
estimates
there's
nothing
certain,
obviously,
because
it's
not
a
built
facility,
so.
A
K
A
B
Arguments
yes,
because
it's
still
not
clear
to
me,
you
know
what
your
what
your
your
your
perspective
is
on
the
three
different
profiles.
What
are
you
leaning
toward?
Because
if
you
recall
some
of
our
past
conversations,
it
wasn't
clear
on
just
how
active
you
wanted
the
park
to
be
so.
The
concert
days
is
one
measure
you
know
the
intensity
of
that.
So
can
you
just
talk
about
what
you're
kind
of
what
your
preference
or
you
are
you
more
in
line
to
go
with
aggressive,
conservative
or
mental?
B
F
Is
your
price
thank
you
Mary
and
my
woman
ones.
I
was
more
comfortable
with
getting
community
downtown
residential
stakeholders
getting
them
by
in
showing
them
that
we're
going
to
do
this
right
and
then
have
everybody's
considerations
and
concerns
in
mind
going
forward.
So
the
conservative
utilization
world
is
where
I
was
at
the
minimal,
not
the
max,
but
before
I
move
on.
So
that
answers
your
question.
I'd
like
to
lobby
my
colleagues
one
more
time.
Mr.
F
Delk,
you
said
that
it
was
intentional
to
not
reach
out,
have
Dunkin
services
reach
out
to
our
local
promoter
experts
in
the
area,
because
it's
a
People's,
Park
I,
get
it
and
we
use
consultants
for
every
thing
else.
The
the
walkways,
the
trails,
the
splash,
but
all
of
that
stuff
is
the
People's
Park
and
ultimately
the
amphitheater
and
what
it
brings
for
downtown
for
the
citizens
of
Clearwater
is
theirs
too.
But
if
we're
gonna
have
a
pro
forma
and
we're
going
they're
going
to
be,
let's
say
are
the
three
biggest
rental
users.
F
C
They
know
we
updated
it
on
4,000
of
covered
seats.
That's
really
pretty
much
all
we
did.
You
have
a
baseline
from
web
and
what
you
know
I
think
the
the
baseline
was
that
under
certain
certain
scenarios,
it
could
generate
that's
where
we
got
the
$20,000
after
five
years.
That
was
at
twenty
five
hundred
seats,
their
recommendation
because
of
the
from
an
economic
standpoint.
What
was
sustainable?
F
Well,
how
about
from
a
different
point
for
for
comfort
for
counsel,
not
necessary,
validating
the
current
updated
data
with
4,000
seats,
but
to
see?
If
is
this?
Is
this
a
pretty
accurate,
true
statement
and-
and
we
don't
have
the
benefit
of
knowing
if
they
are
the
ticket
sales
right
is
the
is
the
rental
fee
for
the
facility
right?
Is
there
the
way
this
is
currently
structured?
F
Is
there
an
opportunity
or
a
strategy
for
I
know
we
can't
lease,
but
for
operational
agreements,
because
that
would
bring
down,
for
instance,
FTEs
contract
employees
because
they
have
they
all
have
their
own
sound
companies,
and
so
I'm,
just
I'm,
just
I
would
be
more
comfortable.
Knowing
that
this
is
I
mean
we're
not
gonna,
be
using
promoters
from
outside
of
the
state
of
Florida
I
mean
I,
though
I
know
they're
nationally
eg
and
Live
Nation's
national
record
halls
local,
but
I
mean
just
to
kind
of
validate.
The
data
is.
C
A
But
let
me
answer
that
from
what
what
I
would
consider
you
know.
Ruth
Eckerd
Hall
is
already
getting
criticized,
because
the
community
feels
that
we
are
doing
what
Ruth
Eckerd
Hall
wants.
So
if
I
were
Ruth,
Eckerd
Hall
I
would
say
I
don't
want
to
touch
your
date
on,
because
then
that
strengthens
what
the
community
or
people
in
the
community
are
saying.
Is
the
council
is
just
being
driven
by
Ruth
Eckerd
Hall,
so
I'm
gonna
count
her.
You
know
what
your
question
was.
F
As
long
as
the
outside
expert
is
current
and
I
had
no
expectation
of
winning
your
support,
it
was
the
rest
of
the
council
members
who
actually
engage
and
listen
to
the
business
community
and
what
it's
going
to
take
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
taken
every
opportunity,
with
a
sixty
four
million
dollar
project,
to
get
every
bit
of
revenue,
not
missing
a
dime
and
put
it
this
way.
If
we
don't
do
this,
they
don't
win.
A
G
H
I
mean
I'm
I'm,
a
glass-half-full
guy
I'm,
not
a
glass,
half-empty,
guy
and
I
mean
I.
Look
at
this
and
I
and
I
appreciate
all
the
numbers
and
and
I
know
you
know.
The
numbers
are
put
together
based
on
a
lot
of
assumptions,
but
I'm
telling
you
I
have
full
faith
that
if
you
build
the
venue
we're
talking
about
building,
you
know
right
now.
You
know
some
of
these
events
that
we
already
do.
H
Every
year,
you're
gonna
see
double
the
attendance
that
you're
seeing
now,
just
because
it's
a
better
venue
being
Park
as
a
whole
as
a
much
more
enticing
environment.
I.
Just
it's.
You
know
I
hate
to
overgeneralize
it
you
know,
but
it's
the
old
built.
If
you
build
it,
they
will
come
and
I
do
believe
with
this
venue.
H
This
is
this.
Is
this?
Is
a
I'm
willing
to
take
my
feet
off
of
first
base
because
I'm
ready
to
steal?
Second,
with
it,
because
I
think
it's
you
know,
I
think
you're
gonna
get
a
bad
throw
to
second
and
maybe
be
able
to
go
all
the
way
home
with
the
bad,
throw
so
I'm
a
optimist
and
and
I've
got
great
faith
in
this
project.
I
think
it's
desperately
needed
for
our
city.
I
think
it
can
can
generate
revenues
so
far
out.
H
H
What
we're
time
in
the
conservative
right
now
and
and
as
we
and
and
again
cheap
I'm
always
willing
to
change
plans,
I'm
also
willing
to
admit
if
I'm
wrong,
but
once
I'm
proven
wrong,
but
you
know
I'm
one
of
those
people
with
the
conservative
number,
but
we
show
that
we
have
a
system
in
the
ability
to
you
know
secure
the
park
for
the
events
and
break
it
down
in
a
reasonable
fashion,
so
that
it's
not
fenced
off
for
weeks
on
end,
and
we
can
do
it
more.
You
know
we
do
it
efficiently.
H
E
E
E
New
cuz
I
said
this
before
I
didn't
really
agree
with
the
figures
that
he
gave
us
back
last
February,
because
I
think
he
was
using
venues
that
really
didn't
wouldn't
be
the
same
as
ours
and
going
through
these
numbers
here,
but
I
think
there's
things
that
I
think
we
can
cut
back
on.
I,
think
our
income
might
be
low
or
expenses
might
be
high,
but
I
really
think
that
this
is
a
good
thing
for
clear
water.
I
think
we
can
work
on
these
numbers
and
we
can
get
the
expenses
down
as
the
project
moves
forward.
E
E
Michael
and
I
have
talked
about
this
with
the
number
of
days
that
we'd
be
down
for
so
many
events,
I,
don't
think
we
need
a
day
before,
in
a
day
after
to
set
up
and
tear
down
after
the
event,
I
think
smaller
events,
we
can
do
it
in
a
day,
so
I
think
those
are
things
that
we
will
become
clear
to
us
as
we
move
forward.
I
want
to
be
physical,
fiscally
responsible,
but
at
the
same
time
I
have
a
vision
that
this
is
going
to
be
very
good
for
clear
water.
A
If
we
can
get
them
tighter,
I'm,
also
on
the
conservative
range
I
have
to
keep
reminding
myself
counsel
that
you
know,
like
all
of
us,
were
frustrated
that
we
haven't
made
coachman
part
everybody's
second
favorite
neighborhood.
Today,
yeah,
yep
and
I
have
to
keep
reminding
ourselves
because
we
keep
hearing
it
well,
you
know:
Tampa's
got
Riverwalk
and
I
remind
ourselves
that
I
remind
the
community
that
it
took
Tampa,
eight
mares
and
forty
years
to
get
Riverwalk
done,
we're
still
on
our
first
mare,
although
it's
in
gonna
be
our
second
mayor.
A
So,
unfortunately,
the
longer
we
spend
talking
about
the
amphitheater,
the
longer
it's
taking
us
to
get
everything
else
done
and
I
think
we
need
to
not
lose
sight
of
that,
so
that
we
can
get
the
community
buy-in
to
get
them
to
want
to
come
to
downtown,
to
want
them
to
come
to
the
part
to
want
them
to
patronize
the
amphitheater,
and
that's
why
you
know
I
said
in
the
paper
and
it's
some
of
y'all,
but
it
may
be.
This
is
where
you
were
coming
from
mr.
Pugliese.
You
know.
A
Maybe
we
ought
to
look
again
at
phasing
in
the
amphitheater.
You
know
to
get
everything
else
done
first,
but
I
am
satisfied
that
what
we're
doing,
but
we
played
out
is,
is
going
to
be
good
for
the
community,
be
good
for
the
residents
be
good
for
all
of
us.
The
numbers
are
scary
because
we
weren't
anticipating
that
but
I
think
with
proper
management
with
some
marketing.
We
will
be
able
to
overcome
that
so
that
it
won't
have
the
impact
on
the
budget.
A
You
know
that
then
I
I
don't
want
I,
don't
think
any
of
us
want
to
pass
on
to
future
councils
in
to
the
citizens.
So
as
long
as
we
keep
those
things
in
mind,
I
think
we
can
get
this
done
and
in
staff
y'all
been
working
really
hard
on
this.
We
appreciate
it
very
much
on
behalf
of
all
of
us,
so
thank
y'all
for
continuing
to
give
us
not
only
the
numbers
but
the
details,
and
you
know
they
will
change.
You
know
it
is
we
gone
and
we
just
have
to
keep
mindful
of
that.
B
B
So
when
we
say
well
I
think
we
can
do
this,
we
can
cut
back
here.
We
can
cut
back
here
the
way
that
kind
of
impacts
us
is
okay.
How
do
we
know
for
sure
if
they
really
understand
what
they're
talking
about
and
what
I
mean?
Is
you
know
we?
We
are
the
implementers.
We
are
the
administrators.
We
are
the
people
that
actually
do
the
do
all
those
things
you
want
us
to
do.
Sometimes
things
do
cost
a
little
bit
more.
B
Sometimes
we
do
need
more
FTEs
based
on
our
actual
experience,
so
because
you
really
want
to
do
it.
Sometimes
the
the
commentary
makes
it
look
like
you
know
it's
not
as
that's
much
of
a
requirement
as
we're
making
it
out
to
be,
because
you
want
more
information
because
I
know
councilmember
Albritton
truly
has
always
been
much
more
focused
in
the
details.
So,
as
we
bring
those
details
forward,
you
will
have
an
opportunity.
B
That
may
not
necessarily
fall
in
your
and
your
myth
in
your
in
your
you
understand
what
I'm
trying
to
say:
I'm,
not
trying
to
I'm
not
trying
to
challenge
your
your
skepticism
in
some
areas,
I'm
just
saying
just
keep
it
in
the
back
of
your
minds
and
I
will
tell
you
up
front.
We
it's
always
been
a
question
in
our
mind.
What
does
it
take
to
really
manage
the
entertainment
venue
that
you
all
want?
What
does
it
really
take
and
and
we're
gonna
try
to
end
on
that?