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Number
of
initiatives
a
good
agenda
developed
over
the
last
several
months.
We
want
to
keep
that
moving,
trying
to
to
move
some
things
along
sooner
rather
than
later
so.
I
think
we're
going
to
be
asking
a
lot
of
Miss
Wills,
our
and
over
the
next
little
and
Lopez,
and
so
we're.
We
would
respectfully
request
that
you
designate
your
interim
so
that
we
can
reflect.
D
A
E
B
F
Good
afternoon
Ann
Lopez
interim
CRA
executive
director,
so
this
first
item
that
I
have
before
you.
Today's
agenda
is
really
just
providing
you
all
with
updates,
as
it
relates
to
both
of
our
cras,
both
the
north
Greenwood,
Sierra
and
downtown
for
North
Greenwood
CRA,
as
it
relates
to
our
our
grants,
and
we
have
the
there
are
a
total
of
25
of
those
and
staff
is
working
to
keep
those
moving.
F
F
F
C
Quick
item
on
the
The
Branding
part
we're
going
to
investigate
with
purchasing
whether
we
can
use
some
existing
contracts
to
do
some
of
that
work
right.
So
hopefully,
hopefully
that
might
kind
of
speed
that
process
part
of
it
along.
If
we
can't
we'll
revisit
with
you
what
process
we
want
to
go
through
with
that,
but
ideally
we
might
be
able
to
to
take
advantage
of
some
existing
contracts
that
we
have
so
any
event.
I
wanted
to
really
focus
with
you
for
a
couple
of
minutes
on
Carlton,
Street,
I.
C
C
A
couple
of
things
I
will
say
about
that
is
that
staff
have
been
taking
another
look
at
some
of
the
appraisals
I
think
there's
some
cops
that
we
think
should
have
been
included
in
the
appraisal
that
we're
not
and
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
update
those
appraisals.
I
think
that
may
impact
is
probably
in
a
range
of
twenty
five
thousand
dollars.
We've
ever
taken
some
of
the
higher
appraised
values
of
the
property.
What
it's
worth
I
think
we
met
on
site
looked
at
the
property.
C
We
would
like
to
try
to
find
a
way
to
have
an
early
success
here.
There
are
second
floor:
rooming
houses
over
the
ground
level,
retail
and
there's
as
you're
aware
an
older
home
on
the
back
of
the
property.
Frankly,
the
older
home
is
probably
the
biggest
concern
I
have
because
of
the
downstream
liability
costs
of
renovating
that
there's
been
discussion
about
renovating
it
for
an
office.
C
So
in
that
scenario,
what
we
might
do
is
to
is
to
see
about
rehabbing
the
Upper
Floor,
where
we've
got
three
really
boarding
house
rooms
there
now,
with
a
common
kitchen
and
bathroom,
maybe
creating
two
modern,
affordable
rental
units
on
top
that
have
full
bathrooms
their
own
kitchen.
That
sort
of
thing
and
see
if
we
can't
I
mean
right
now,
the
property's,
not
air,
conditioned
it's
it's
it's
I
think
we
can
I
think
we
can
make
some
good
things
happen,
in
other
words,
on
this
corner.
C
So
with
your
latitude
I'll
work
with
the
CRA,
the
economic
development
and
housing
folks
to
see
what
we
can
bring
to
the
table,
it
might
be
where
we
we
could
either
purchase
a
property
outright.
It
might
be
better
than
a
better
way
to
Fashion
a
deal
might
be.
We
loan
money
to
another
organization
who
can
take
on
the
rehabilitation
and
the
sort
of
thing
so
there's
some
pros
and
cons
for
each
of
those
I.
C
I
C
It's
you
know
it's
partially
in
the
state
of
rehab
right
now.
Somebody
has
gone
in
there
and
is
putting
money
in
private
sector
money
in
there
to
reopen
it
as
a
restaurant.
So
it's
got
some
of
the
basic
components.
If
you
will
of
having
a
restaurant
space,
I'd
love
to
see
a
restaurants
face
return
that
with
some
some
decent
apartments.
On
top
absolutely
I,
don't
know
I
just
I
feel
like
we
can
have
a
kind
of
an
early
success
of
sorts
here,
it'd
be
a
little
heavy.
C
A
F
The
next
item
is
a
status
update
on
items
pertaining
to
the
downtown
Sierra
area,
the
first
one
being
our
business
assistance
grants.
We
have
a
total
of
we've
received
a
total
of
17
Grant
applications
that
are
currently
in
the
review
process
with
staff
and
our
legal
team
and
in
a
future
meeting
we'll
come
forward.
F
B
This
is
a
sort
of
along
the
lines
of
that
I
just
wanted
to
understand
the
sequence
of
events.
So
when
you
talked
earlier
about
the
total
of
25
arpa
grants
for
North
Greenwood,
and
then
we
have
17
grand
applications
for
the
downtown
cra
when
they're
in
legal,
so
they
get
the
application
you
get
the
applications
in
and
then
they
go
to
Legal.
Is
it
just
like
Michael
fuino?
Who
does
both
or
is
it
and
then
once
it
goes
to
Legal?
B
F
So
we
res
for
downtown,
we
receive
an
application
for
Grant
staff
reviews.
It
we
make
recommendations
on
what
we
feel
would
be
the
best
and
then
once
we've
approved
their
application.
We'll
work
with
legal
I
usually
just
send
an
email
to
Mr
Mal
girlis,
and
he
lets
me
know
which
attorney
I'll
work
with
and
then
we'll
work
on,
drafting
a
grant
agreement
specific
for
that
applicant
and
then
I
will
work
with
them
or
Michael.
F
C
F
F
The
front
facade
will
be
complete
by
the
end
of
August
and
the
exterior
deck
is
on
track
for
completion
in
October
the
build
out
vendor
stalls
are
required
for
completion,
a
built
out
of
vendor
stalls
are
required
for
completion,
and
the
permit
has
been
submitted,
the
general
once
they
receive
their
permit.
The
general
contractor
is
expecting
work
to
take
about
eight
weeks
and
then
for
the
cafe
space.
Their
estimated
work
is
they're
estimated
about
10
weeks
and
then
from
there.
F
The
other
update
that
I
have
for
you
is,
as
it
relates
to
the
Mercado,
so
we
again
have
surveyed
our
community
and
found
that
a
weekday
they
felt
was
not
ideal
for
grand
opening
of
the
Mercado.
So
cra
staff,
Parks
and
Rec
the
office
of
diversity
and
Equity
services
and
public
Communications
went
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
they've
tentatively
scheduled
for
October
15th,
which
is
a
Sunday
which
just
happens
to
be
the
last
the
day
after
salsa
in
The
District
in
downtown.
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A
K
Hi
good
afternoon
very
wet
Denise
Sanderson,
it's
pouring
out
there,
so
on
September,
1
2022
city
council
approved
an
allocation
of
250
000
in
arpa,
local
fiscal
recovery,
funds
for
the
establishment
of
a
business
incubator
and
on
July
7th
Amplified
Clearwater
submitted
a
detailed
business
plan
for
the
establishment
of
the
same,
and
this
is
focused
on
cultivating
and
strengthening
the
area's
tourism
ecosystem,
specifically
focused
on
Innovation
and
sustainability.
Within
the
tourism
industry
sector.
K
The
business
plan
is
attached
to
the
agenda
and
rather
than
reviewing
the
business
plan,
it
is
46
pages
in
length
I'd
like
to
share
with
you
some
thoughts
on
business
incubators
generally.
So,
according
to
the
National
Business
incubation,
Association
statistics
show
that
incubators
or
incubated
businesses
rather
have
an
87
percent
survival
rate
after
five
years
compared
to
non-incubated
businesses
that
that
rate
Falls
to
44
percent.
K
There
are
numerous
types
of
business
incubators,
but
they
should
not
be
confused
with
co-working
spaces
or
accelerators
incubators
are
for
startups
and
provide
mentorship
and
coaching
access
to
Capital,
shared
resources
and
structured
training
programs,
the
co-working
spaces
and
accelerators
are
different
than
an
incubator.
It
doesn't
mean
that
these
elements
are
important
to
an
overall
ecosystem
and
May
in
fact
become
a
part
of
amplify's
offering
over
time,
but
they
are
considered
separate.
K
Excuse
me:
incubators
are
typically
framed
around
one
of
two
Financial
models:
there's
an
equity
State
model
out
there
and
it's
typical
for
for-profit
incubators.
The
incubator
takes
an
equity
stake
in
the
business,
usually
between
10
and
20
percent.
It
often
seems
to
center
around
10
percent.
The
structure
and
Equity
varies
and
can
be
really
creative,
but
the
bottom
line
is
that
the
more
successful
of
businesses,
the
greater
the
equity
return,
is
for
the
incubator.
K
The
other
model
is
a
fee
basis,
and
this
is
the
model
being
proposed
by
amplify
Clearwater
and
EIC
typical
non-profit
incubators.
These
are
funded
by
universities
or
County
or
Municipal
organizations
and
I
know.
One
of
the
most
well-known
and
successful
in
the
State
of
Florida
is
actually
actually
operated
by
University
of
Central
Florida.
K
It's
it's
actually
eight
incubators,
Over
a
Four
County
area
and
most
assume
that
UCS
program
is
funded
by
UCF
itself
through
allocations
out
of
UCF
and
in
fact,
what
UCF
University,
what
the
university
contributes
is.
Administrative
marketing
and
some
back
office
support
most
of
the
funding.
The
vast
majority
of
the
funding
is
coming
from
local
County
and
Municipal
governments
and
economic
development
organizations
and
organizations
like
the
Florida
high-tech
corridor.
K
I
share
this
because
it's
important
to
know
that
financial
support,
through
fundraising
and
other
means
is
generally
necessary
for
incubators
and
I've
reviewed
the
business
plan
and
find
it
to
be
based
on
salad,
research
and
understanding
of
incubation
practices
and
principles.
And
what
I
find
particularly
interesting
is
that
the
proposed
incubator
program
is
particularly
well
suited
for
local
and
Regional
assets.
That
is
tourism
and
seeks
to
elevate
the
city's
interests
in
pursuing
sustainability
initiatives.
K
It
seeks
to
leverage
our
community's
tourism
resources
and,
among
them,
the
tremendous
human
capital
we
have
here
that
are
capable
of
delivering
the
mentorship
and
networking
opportunities
that
are
so
essential
to
an
incubation
program
and
it
Endeavors
to
incubate
businesses
in
all
areas
of
Tourism
amplifies
partnership
with
economic
impact
Catalyst,
which
is
a
local
firm.
That
specializes
in
this
space
is
further
evidence
of
their
commitment
and
understanding.
So
staff
recommends
support
of
this
in
the
amount
of
250
thousand
dollars,
specifically
150
000
to
support
startup
costs.
K
Another
fifty
thousand
at
launch
of
the
first
cohort
honor
about
October,
2nd
and
50
000
upon
launch
of
the
cohort
2,
which
is
expected
to
be
launched
on
April
15,
2023.,
Amanda,
Payne
and
David
conrash
David
is
from
AIC
we'll
be
here
on
Thursday
night
I.
Believe
David
intends
to
make
a
verbal
presentation,
but
this
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions.
K
So
for
those
of
you
that
may
be
familiar
with
that
Clearwater
business
spark
is
an
initiative
that
we
founded
back
in
2015,
with
five
Partners
Amplified,
being
one
of
them,
formerly
known
as
the
Regional
Chamber.
So
the
Clearwater
business
spark
always
had
this
kind
of
hole
in
the
product
delivery
that
being
incubation,
but
we,
the
spark
members,
include
the
Small,
Business,
Development,
Center
score
and
and
numerous
others.
K
I
K
That
is,
50
am
I
and
Below.
Another
minimum
of
30
percent
is
on
low
income,
that
of
eighty
percent
below
a
minimum
of
twenty
percent
with
special
needs
75
on
construction.
Again,
these
are
minimums,
but
a
rehab
or
new
construction
and
a
minimum
of
65
percent
of
home
ownership.
So
you
add
all
that
up
it
while
it
exceeds
100.
Obviously
some
of
these
can
hit
multiple
buckets,
but
you
know
income
being
what
it
is.
You
take
60
percent
for
a
very
low,
extremely
low
and
low
income.
K
You
then
add
10
percent,
which
is
our
administrative
set
aside
to
help
offset
salaries.
That
leaves
a
maximum
of
30
percent
for
funding
that
can
be
used
for
over
80
percent
Ami.
So
this
is
the
only
funding
source
that
can
support
that
income
strata.
So
we're
very
constrained
there
and
we've
talked
about
that
in
the
past
because
of
those
constraints
to
meet
these
buckets
requirements,
we're
allowed
to
utilize
These
funds
over
a
three-year
period.
So
this
is
for
the
closeout
year
of
fiscal
year.
K
2021
we
operate
for
this
funding
source
on
the
state
fiscal
year
which
ended
June,
30th,
so
2021,
21,
22
and
22
23
is
when
we're
actually
allowed
to
use
the
funds
from
fiscal
year
2021..
This
happened
to
be
a
fiscal
year
in
which
the
governor
vetoed
all
allocations
of
ship
covid
was
upon
us,
not
knowing
where
the
state's
economy
would
go.
We
had
a
zero
percent
allocation,
but
you
will
see
433
thousand
dollars
in
in
change
in
program
income.
So
I'll
remind
you
program.
K
You
may
have
also
noticed
this
on
page
three
of
the
report.
I
believe
page
page
two
excuse
me
of
the
report:
an
amount
of
77,
959.86
and
negative
carryover,
and
so
we've
had
some
questions
about
what
is
negative,
carryover
negative
carryover
from
previous
years.
So
imagine,
if
you
will,
these
books
are
left
open
for
fiscal
year
2021
through
the
fiscal
year
we
just
ended.
We
can
use
those
funds
on
any
projects
and
in
conjunction
with
other,
your
funding
that
happens
to
be
open
at
that
time.
K
So
in
last
year's
report,
closeout
report
for
fiscal
year
1920,
which
again
gave
us
those
three
years
to
use
it,
we
utilized
about
seventy
eight
thousand
dollars
of
funds
for
that
we
received
for
fiscal
year
2021
in
program
income.
We
use
it
on
Project
reported
in
last
year's
report.
Hence
a
negative
carryover.
K
In
other
words,
it
was
pulled
back
into
another
year
to
support
a
project
that
was
allocated
to
that
year
can
only
report
a
project
one
time,
so
this
will
happen
quite
often,
but
in
short,
we
had
when
you
take
out
that
negative
carryover
that
433
000
now
drops
down
to
355,
000
and
change.
So
for
the
355
000
you'll
find
that
we
provided
forty
five
thousand
three
hundred
in
purchase
of
an
existing
home.
We
did
seven
single
family
units
that
were
rehabilitated
for
a
total
spend
of
about
182
500..
K
We
contributed
funds
for
construction
of
one
single-family
home
at
a
total
cost
of
103
314.86.
Total
expenditures
in
these
categories
was
three
hundred
and
thirty.
One
thousand
dollars
in
change,
then
you
take
the
ten
percent
admin
on
that
net
that
pulls
another
thirty
three
thousand
one
hundred
total
spend
for
that
year
then
comes
up
to
362.,
yet
we
had
available
355..
What
that
really
means
is
we
will
have
a
negative
carry
forward
into
next
year's
report
of
6972.49.
K
B
K
K
E
Not
a
question
but
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
what
I
read
on
on
page
seven
here,
because
this
impressed
me
Mr
Michael
Taylor,
a
special
needs.
Homeowner
was
in
financial
assistance.
He
had
Roofing
Electrical
Plumbing
air
conditioning
cabinets
were
falling
off
his
walls,
he
needed
repairs,
but
there
were
some
problems
with
his
title
so
rather
than
the
staff
saying
sorry,
you
don't
qualify,
they
reached
out
to
his
financial
institutions
and
went
above
and
beyond
to
clean
that
up.
E
A
K
So
we
can
talk
through
this
if
you
wish
to
do
so,
I
understand
from
the
city
manager's
office.
Their
preference
is
to
push
us
until
the
next
meeting
to
continue
this
item.
Couple
of
reasons
for
that
one,
the
local
planning
agency,
which
is
our
community
development
board,
did
have
to
postpone
a
meeting
and
we'll
have
that
meeting
now
on
August
30th.
So
we
will
not
have
a
name
to
fill
into
that
slot
at
this
time.
Similarly,
the
neighborhood,
affordable
housing,
Advisory
board
has
a
vacancy
and
that
too
will
get
filled
on
September
7th.
K
So
when
we
bring
this
forward,
September
7th
all
names
will
be
added.
If
you
wish
to
discuss
today,
your
desire
for
the
local
elected
official
I,
suppose
that
would
be
okay,
but
we'll
have
that
conversation
on
sept
in
September
5th.
Excuse
me
when
we
meet
for
our
work
session,
then.
Finally,
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
does
start
on
September
12th,
so
having
this
discussion
that
first
week
in
September
is
not
inappropriate
to
staff
that
committee.
At
that
time,.
L
Good
afternoon,
mayor
council
members
assistant
city
manager,
City
attorney
Robert,
kasmer,
Public,
Works
engineering,
real
estate
coordinator,
in
summary,
today
of
Clearwater
by
a
letter
requested
the
public
works
department
to
rename
the
adjoining
rear.
Street
wistful
Vista
Drive
to
tobad
drive
upon
receipt
when
that
was
given
to
me,
I
made
it
a
priority
and
supported
this
request.
Rabbi
Levy
presented
a
Pinellas
County
911
Department
approval
lender,
dated
June
6th
and
due
diligence.
L
L
L
No
sir,
best
of
all
Rabbi
has
reached
out
to
me
wanting
myself
to
present
the
physical
name
street
sign
at
a
presentation
they're
having
on
August
27th
at
3
o'clock,
which
I
honorably,
accepted
and
I've
also
asked
our
current
director
Marcus
Williamson,
to
also
attend.
So
the
city
will
be
well
represented
all
right,
great.
L
L
G
M
Good
afternoon
Dylan
Prince
plan
development.
This
voluntary
annexation
petition
involves
a
0.456
acre
property
consisting
of
one
parcel
of
vacant
land.
The
property
is
located
on
the
north
side
of
Tanglewood
Drive,
approximately
675
feet
west
of
Oak
Creek,
Drive
East,
the
applicant
is
requesting
annexation
in
order
to
receive
sanitary,
sewer
and
Solid
Waste
Service
from
the
city.
The
applicant
has
indicated
a
desire
to
construct
a
detached
dwelling
on
the
property,
but
no
plans
have
been
submitted
at
this
time.
M
The
property
is
contiguous
to
existing
City
boundaries
to
the
north
and
east.
It
is
proposed
that
the
property
be
assigned
future
land
use,
map,
designations
of
residential
estate
and
drainage,
feature
overlay
and
Zoning
house
designation
on
low
density
residential.
The
property
currently
receives
water
service
from
Pinellas
County.
The
closest
sanitary
sewer
line
is
located
in
the
Oak
Creek
Drive
North
right
away
to
the
north
of
the
subject,
property,
which
the
property
owner
plans
to
extend
the
private
line.
The
applicant
is
aware
of
the
city's
sewer
impact
fee.
M
G
M
M
The
property
is
located
on
the
west
side
of
McCauley
Road
approximately
790
feet,
southeast
of
Sunset
Point
Road,
the
application
the
applicant
is
requesting
annexation
in
our
order
to
receive
sanitary,
sewer
and
Solid
Waste
Service
from
the
city.
The
property
is
not
contiguous
to
existing
City
Limits.
However,
it
is
an
enclave
surrounded
by
city
property
on
all
sides
and
is
eligible
for
annexation.
Pursuant
to
the
interlocal
service
boundary
agreement
with
Pinellas
County
is
proposed
that
the
property
be
assigned
to
feature
land
use,
map,
designations
of
residential
estate
and
water
and
Zoning
designation.
M
Zoning
analysis,
nation
of
low
density
residential.
The
property
currently
receives
water
service
from
Pinellas
County.
The
closest
sanitary
sewer
line
is
located
in
the
adjacent
McCauley
Road
right
of
way.
The
applicant
is
aware
that
the
city's
sewer
impact
fee
and
assessment
fees
must
be
paid
in
full
prior
to
connection
and
have
additional
cost
to
expand
cities.
N
Bear
Council,
Dan,
Mayer
I.T
director
we're
at
the
end
of
a
three-year
term
with
Spectrum.
This
provides
miscellaneous
Services.
These
do
not
connect
to
our
Network
they're
for
public
Wi-Fi
and
parks
at
Rec,
Center,
teen
rooms,
some
of
the
libraries
and
then
at
the
marina.
So
we
do
have
formal
service
with
Spectrum
for
our
Network
for
ISP
service
out
of
Channel
services,
we're
working
with
purchasing
to
bring
all
of
these
under
one
umbrella
and
one
purchase
order
as
opposed
to
multiple
purchase,
orders.
O
P
Good
afternoon
Jeremy
Brown
engineering
manager
for
public
utilities.
The
purpose
of
this
project
is
to
repair
and
replace
some
of
the
control
gates
at
the
Marshall
Street
Water
Reclamation
facility.
The
control
gates
are
what
allow
plant
operators
to
balance
the
flow
rates
into
the
various
aeration
tanks.
They
also
allow
operations
to
isolate
tanks
for
maintenance
and
then
drain
the
tank
due
to
a
longer
process
to
approve
and
obtain
the
replacement
Gates.
The
contractor
requests
the
contract
duration
be
extended
to
April,
8th
2024.
I'll.
P
Note,
that's
actually
280
days,
not
the
270,
that's
indicated
in
the
agenda
item
and
then
because
we
extended
the
contractor,
we're
looking
to
extend
the
contract
duration.
We
also
need
to
increase
the
budget
for
the
engineer
of
record
who's
overseeing
subcontractor.
So
that's
the
supplemental
work
order,
three
in
your
in
rodents
and
then
lastly,
we'd
like
to
use
this
opportunity
to
to
replenish
our
available
contingency
and
that's
the
change
order
to
that's
in
your
agenda.
There's
with
that
I'm
happy
to
respond
to
questions
and
I
have
some
visuals
too.
A
P
So
again,
I
have
visuals
if,
if
it
helps-
and
so
once
we
drain
the
tank
I
know,
some
of
you
have
seen
seen
some
of
these
in
your
on
your
field
trips.
That
way,
then
you
can
then
inspect
it
right.
You
can't
see
it.
You
can't
see,
and
so
part
of
the
project
was,
since
we
have
to
replace
these
control
Gates
well.
In
order
to
do
that,
we
have
to
drain
the
tank.
Well,
while
we're
in
there,
let's
see
what
else
needs
to
be
fixed.
P
That
was
all
reapproved
for
those
efforts
and
now,
while
they're
doing
that,
we're
asking
to
replenish
that
amount
just
in
case
something
else
comes
up
in
the
future,
we're
not
authorizing
to
use
it,
you're
just
authorizing
us
to
have
it,
and
then
we
will
authorize
the
use
of
it.
If
we
feel
it's
appropriate,
so
is
this
something.
D
The
legal
team
has
signed
off
on
this
with
a
little
bit
of
reluctance.
I
mean
I
am
comfortable
that
it
is
legally
permissible
for
the
council
to
replenish
contingency
funds
in
this
manner.
If
you
choose
to
do
so
so
we
have
approved
this
for
the
council
agenda.
However,
my
concern
with
something
like
replenishing
contingency,
particularly
when
you
run
into
complex
Fields
like
this
one,
is
that
vendors
will
find
a
way
to
spend
it.
D
So
I
can
almost
bet
dollars
to
Donuts
that
when
you
replenish
a
contingency
in
any
context-
and
this
is
not
Mr
Brown's
poll-
it's
not
specific
to
the
city
of
Clearwater-
it's
not
specific
Public
Utilities,
but
if
they
know
that
that
money
is
out
there,
they
will
find
reasons
to
spend
it,
and
so
that
is
the
only
concern
that
I
would
have.
But
it
is
not
a
pure
legal
concern.
That
is
a
policy
decision
for
the
council.
P
P
Though
that
we,
we
are
the
ones
that
authorize
use
of
it
myself,
the
director
to
my
left,
we
don't
yes,
they
may
point
something
out
because
they're
there
and
they
say:
hey
this
other
thing's,
broken
that
you
guys
didn't
notice.
Do
you
want
to
fix
it
and
they'll
give
us
a
cost
score?
We
evaluate
it.
We
determine
whether
we
think
it's
in
the
city's
best
interest.
Sometimes
we
don't
in
the
letter.
That's
on
your
attachment,
there's
a
reference
to
a
duck.
Bank
work.
P
We
decided
not
to
do
that
work
because
we
didn't
think
it
was
appropriate
at
this
time,
but
I'm
sorry
I
made
one
more
thing
too.
If
there
is
no
contingency
and
something
does
come
up,
that
is
a
legit
concern
that
needs
to
happen
before
the
contractor
can
demobilize
and
finish
the
project
now
we're
at
risk,
because
now
they're
going
to
say
well,
you
got
to
pay
us.
We
it's
going
to
cost
us
extra
money
to
do
it.
If
we
don't
have
the
money
available,
then
we
have
to
come
back
to
you.
P
B
Kind
of
my
question
like
what
are
the
drawbacks
to
not
replace
replenishing
the
contingency,
although
I
would
say
if
they
get
down
there
and
they
see
something
that
needs
to
be
fixed
and
they
let
you
know
Jeremy
and
you're
like
yeah.
We
need
to
get
it
fixed.
Now
we
got
to
go
back
to
the
council.
If
it's
a
hundred
thousand
or
less
you
get
the
money
right
away,
because
the
city
manager
can
give
you
the
money
if,
if
need
be
right
up
to
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
without
coming
back
to
us,
yeah.
P
So
again,
that's
filled
with
Wastewater.
You
don't
see
it
until
you
drain
it.
You
look
down
in
there.
Those
are
the
diffusers
at
the
bottom.
So
when
we're
damaged,
we
had
to
replace
them.
You
don't
know
how
many
are
damaged
until
you
until
you
drain
and
looking
at
it
like
the
concrete
along
the
the
sides
of
the
perimeters
and
the
The
Crossings,
you
see
there,
you
don't
get
a
full
extent
because
you
might
be
able
to
see
the
sides
of
it.
P
Well,
it's
full
of
Wastewater,
you
can't
see
underneath
it,
and
so
let
me
show
you
this
other
one.
Real
quick
while
I
have
your
attention.
So
this
is
one
of
the
repairs
to
the
underside,
and
so
they
have
to
install
that
fresh
relearning.
They
have
to
form
it
that
pour
concrete
around
it
and
that
continues
to
concrete
continues
to
deteriorate
over
time,
particularly
in
this
corrosive
environmental,
Wastewater,
Plant
and
so
any
any,
and
so
it's
it's
kind
of
expected.
Then
it's
going
to
get
a
little
bit
worse
than
it
was
when
you
started.
P
Kind
of
basis,
these
particular
ones,
some
of
these,
the
the
the
gates
were
inoperable
and
they
wouldn't
hold
the
seal,
and
so
we
couldn't
really
drain
them
until
the
contractor
came
in
helped
to
set
up
bypass
equipment.
So
that
way
we
could
actually
try
to
plug
whatever
we
could
in
order
to
drain
it
to
then
inspect
it.
H
H
H
A
So
I
mean
I,
guess
the
concern
is
when
we
do
these
or
do
they
bid
on
just
something
else.
Then
contingencies
I
mean
I
equate
this
to
maybe-
and
maybe
it's
not
a
tote-
maybe
it's
just
not
apples
and
apples,
but
I
mean
I,
build
a
new
home
during
Coke,
a
brand
new
home
and
it
took
a
little
longer.
I
got
it
done
pretty
well,
but
he
was
complaining
to
me
and
my
fiance
every
day
about
how
much
more
it's
costing
me
not
making
any
money,
but
we
didn't
go
and
tear
up
the
contract.
A
I
didn't
put
another
250,
then
that's
good,
I.
Guess
guess
what
like
the
attorney
said,
he
would
have
used
it.
That's
my
concern
is
that
the
practice
that
we
do
is
that
we
with
contingencies
or
when
we're
bidding
on
a
job.
Are
they
bidding
on
the
complete
job
or
is
it
just?
Oh,
we
want
to
find
something
we
didn't
know
about.
It.
P
Contingency
contingency
is
a
line
item
that
you
all
approve
for
us,
rich
myself
to
authorize.
They
bid
line
items
I
think
we
talked
about
this
a
couple
weeks
ago.
That's
what
they're
locked
into
those
line
items
the
contingency
is
unplanned!
Think
of
it
as
unplanned
unforeseen
work,
I
mean
you're
going
to
install
a
door.
It's
pretty
cut
and
dry.
Okay,
you're
going
to
do
this
this,
and
this
right
well,
you're
going
to
you,
know,
address
and
approve
an
aeration
tank
there's
a
lot
of
unknowns,
particularly
in
this
industry.
P
When
I
think
when
this
the
concrete
the
materials
the
facilities
are
all
aged,
they're
so
aged
you
don't
always
know
we
try
to.
We
hire
the
engineers.
We
ask
them
to
go
out
and
try
to
do
whatever
blood
work
they
can
to
prevent
overruns.
We
don't
like
overruns
right,
but
sometimes
you've
already
got
it
opened
up.
Now
is
the
time
to
fix
it.
That's
that's
the
discretion
that
we
used
when
we
apply.
Q
Q
They
scrutinize
and
I,
have
had
the
opportunity
to
go
out
there
for
the
last
Friday
for
the
last
month
and
a
half
or
month,
and
look
at
the
condition
of
what
they're
trying
to
fix,
and
it
is
a
little
bit
of
of
a
science
in
the
sense
of
trying
to
figure
out
what
needs
to
be
done.
It
really
is
not
that
transparent
until
they
get
the
tanks
done
and
start
really
evaluating
it.
Q
P
S
I
mean
no,
no,
nothing
significant,
we're
working
through
some
issues.
Now,
delays
like
this
or
I'm,
sorry
again,
it's
not
attributed
directly
to
them.
Like
you
said
we
were
a
partner
in
this.
It
took
a
lot
of
time
working
through
the
submittal
process
and
then
getting
the
gates
ordered,
as
you
know,
with
a
supply
and
change
supply
chain
issues
that
are
out
there.
That's.
I
Well,
I
just
wanted
to
again
clarify
the
difference
between
contingency
to
a
contractor
when
you're
building
something
new
and
a
contingency
to
them.
Yeah
you,
you
guys,
are
kind
of
acting
as
the
contractor
and
you're
hiring
like
a
sub
to
do
specific
work
and
they
might
find
something.
That
is
not
that's
additional
to
the
work
and
you
would
be
the
one
that
would
use
the
contingency.
It's
not
like
putting
it
out
on
a
new
building
to
a
contractor
and
then
they'll.
S
I
Much
stuff
they
can
do
to
use
up
the
contingency,
so
I'm
comfortable
with
the
way.
This
is
because
you
guys
have
the
final
say
in
it.
It's
just
that.
It's
a
timing
thing!
If
you
need
to
come.
If
we
don't
give
you
the
money
and
you
need
to
come
back,
then
you're
delaying
the
process
on
a
process
that
shouldn't
have
delays
so.
D
A
few
minutes
ago
on
the
city
managers
changeover
Authority
just
to
kind
of
comment
on
that
a
little
bit
so
the
current
or
current
procurement
ordinance
authorizes
the
city
manager
to
approve
really
any
increase
up
to
10
percent
over
the
most
recent
award,
but
by
Council
that
could
be
for
any
number
of
reasons.
It
could
be
changing
contingency
or
it
could
be
things
that
have
nothing
to
do
with
construction.
You
know
so,
but
that
has
already
baked
into
our
ordinance.
P
E
O
Good
afternoon,
mayor
councilman,
director,
Public
Utilities,
the
item
before
you
today
is
for
the
authorization
of
a
purchase
order
for
ductile
iron
pipe
and
fittings
for
use
in
the
water
distribution
system.
These
private
fittings
are
stocked
in
the
public
utilities,
warehouse
and
used
in
the
construction
of
new
pipelines
in
the
repair
of
existing
ones,
whereby
allowing
us
to
efficiently
maintain
the
water
and
sewer
infrastructure.
O
There
were
three
bidders
for
this
contract
Ferguson
and
Florida
Line
Water
Works
were
the
low
bidders
for
their
selected
items
of
this
not
to
exceed
contract
in
the
annual
amount
of
360
thousand
per
year.
This
is
a
one-year
contract
with
the
option
for
two
one-year
renewals
for
the
term
of
August
18
2023
until
August
17,
2024
I'm,
asking
free
approval
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
G
R
Also,
due
to
delays
in
manufacturing,
the
fleet
department
is
requesting
to
begin
procurement
of
the
vehicles
and
equipment
on
the
fiscal
24
fiscal
year.
24
vehicle
replacement
ahead
of
the
physical
24
budget
that
starts
in
October
I
would
also
say
in
these
tumultuous
times
that
we've
been
having
we've
been
doing
an
excellent
job
of
staying
with
our
alternative
fuel
plans
going
forward.
We
had
this
discussion
last
year
and
as
of
FY
22,
32
percent
of
the
eligible
Vehicles
were
shifted
to
alternative
fuels.
R
R
We
had
22
hybrids
listed
for
a
replacement
with
that
I'm,
not
replacement
four
hybrids,
and
we
have
already
been
told
now
we
can
only
get
18
and
that
may
change
going
forward.
The
order
banks
are
open
and
closed,
for
example,
police
vehicle
order,
Bank
opened
in
June
of
last
year
and
they're
not
open,
yet
the
Mavericks
were
opened
and
closed
already
responders,
open
and
closed
already.
So
we
wrote
letters
of
intent
and
now
the
Mavericks
and
responders
and
heavy
duty
vehicles
have
opened
again.
R
So,
as
you
can
see,
it's
a
very
different
time
for
all
of
us
in
Fleet
that
we're
looking
at
every
alternative
that
we
can
as
far
as
the
vehicles
that
we
stayed
with.
We
are
now
looking
at
other
sources.
We
went
from,
you
know
the
Mavericks.
We
went
to
Toyotas
and
then
the
Camrys
in
order
to
try
to
maintain
the
ability
to
have
hybrids
in
our
Fleet
I
still
believe
at
this
point.
R
In
time
that
hybrids
are
the
bridge
to
the
electrification
of
our
Fleet
I
think
that's
a
very
important
part
of
that
also
I'd
like
to
go
on
with
the
rest
of
it.
Authorization
is
requested
to
piggyback
off
the
following
contracts,
listed
below
authorization
to
add
additional
piggyback
contracts,
as
requested
as
needed
to
ensure
the
city
is
receiving
the
most
competitive
pricing
for
vehicles
and
Equipment,
which
will
be
monitored
by
the
procurement
division.
R
B
R
R
Smaller
smaller
and
they're,
not
the
same
timeline
and
and
some
open
up
again,
so
it
just
throws
off
and
for
the
interceptors
that
we
wanted
in
the
hybrids.
We're
now
told
that
there
will
be
a
very
limited
production
of
if
we
weren't
told
the
amount,
but
that
there's
going
to
be
very
limited
so
for
police,
that's
where
we
went
to
the
responders
and
they
don't
come
in
hybrid.
So
our
first
fulfillment
is
to
make
sure
the
police
have
their
vehicles
that
they
need.
B
B
So
we
have
hybrids
that
are
placed
replacing
many
gas
cars
police
are
getting
nine
Ford
interceptors
and
two
Camry
hybrids
fires
getting
two
Ford
interceptors
Public
Works
planning,
I.T
gas
company
utilities
getting
six
hybrids,
but
we
have
no
EV
or
hybrids
and
parks
and
solid
waste
tutora
EV
carts.
What
are
those
for.
R
R
That's
another
issue,
those
carts
where
you
see
all
those
trial
carts
that
have
been
changed.
Now
too,
we
were
supposed
to
receive
those
in
September.
Part
of
them
are
for
Imagine,
Clearwater,
part
of
them
for
parks
and
rec,
and
we
were
just
told
this
last
week
that
we
won't
be
receiving
those
till
next
year.
B
R
B
R
We
were
actually
ahead
of
schedule.
Are
we?
Yes,
we
are
the
green
Fleet
light
duty.
Vehicle
replacements
for
alternative
fuels
doesn't
start
until
2027.,
okay,
so,
and
we
started
I
believe
it
was
2019
having
a
discussion
on
what
that
picture
looks
like,
and
the
decision
was
made
to,
let's
start
with
hybrids
and
then
hybrids
being
the
bridge
to
electric
and
that's
been
pretty
successful
right
now.
Okay,.
B
R
B
R
R
R
R
R
G
Authorize
the
contract
to
Waste
Connections
of
Florida
for
a
period
of
one
year
for
the
processing
of
Municipal
single
streams,
recycling
commodity
as
a
contractor's
material
recovery
facilities
and
a
cumulative
not
to
exceed
amount
of
one
million
twenty
thousand
dollars
pursuant
invitation
to
negotiate
29-23.
good.
T
Afternoon,
mayor
council
member
Kevin
said
Amy
Paul
Lewis
director
today
before
you,
the
contract,
Force
industry,
recycling
on
October,
excuse
me
and
April
23
25th
23
evaluation
committee
met
to
evaluated
invitation
to
negotiate
on
number
25-22
for
Central
streaming.
Recycling
will
receive
two
bids
from
with
connection
and
waste
management,
the
community
met
and
to
evaluate
the
bids,
and
during
that
time
we
decided
to
be.
T
We
decided
to
offer
a
negotiation
between
two
both
vendors
because
of
the
return
cost
during
the
cashier
investment
initial
proposal
was
159
33
per
ton
to
the
Tampa
evolve
materials
facility
and
189
63
per
ton
to
the
Clearwater
transfer
station
with
100
Revenue
share.
After
the
second
meeting,
Waste
Management
proposal
was
lowered
to
154
per
ton
to
the
temple,
Eagle
location
and
183
per
ton
to
the
Clearwater
transfer
station,
with
with
100
Revenue
sharing
risk
management
declined
to
offer
a
cut
rate
of
insurance.
T
At
that
time,
additional
risk
connection
initial
proposal
was
140
per
ton,
with
no
Revenue
sharing
to
the
Temple
located
to
the
same
people
location
after
second
meetings.
The
purpose
The
Proposal
were
lowered
to
120
per
ton,
with
Revenue
sharing
with
a
sliding
scale
which
we
have
provided
a
new
package.
B
U
Good
afternoon
mayor
members
of
council,
Jeff
Cole
division,
controller,
Solid
Waste.
We
wanted
to
give
you
guys
an
update
this
afternoon.
I
know
the
interim
director
Mike
Maxwell,
had
met
in
front
of
council
I
want
to
say
January
of
this
year
once
we
were
in
the
midst
of
our
recycling
issues.
So
with
that
I'll
take
you
through
this.
U
U
There
was
that
period
in
time
between
July
of
2022
through
December,
where
there
was
no
recyclables
going
to
waste
management,
so
that
started
up
again.
Additionally,
we
worked
on
on
some
short
and
long-term
Solutions,
so
the
contract
that
was
in
place
on
the
short-term
basis
with
waste
management
was
150
a
ton.
So
you
compare
that
to
what
kervin
just
talked
about
and
just
those
initial
short-term
challenges
and
costs
is
much
greater
than
you
know
what
we
were
used
to.
The
other
big
component
of
that
is.
U
We
were
only
able
to
recycle
about
a
third
of
our
single
stream
material
that
was
coming
in
the
other
two-thirds
contamination,
Waste
Management,
as
the
processor,
was
having
issues
with
the
amount
of
material
they
could
accept
and
then
also
internally,
we
had
issues.
We
usually
operate
two
tractor-trailer
trucks
that
go
from
our
transfer
station
to
the
processor,
which
at
the
time
was
an
Ebor
and
one
of
those
two
was
down
so
that
limits
the
amount
of
ton
of.
U
So
in
mid-march
2023
we
started
taking
the
recyclables
to
Waste
Connections,
that
being
like
I
said,
we
were
getting
charged,
150
a
ton
for
Waste
Management,
and
we
were
at
125
a
ton
for
Waste
Connections
to
you
know,
obviously
cut
down
on
that
added
expense.
We've
continued
to
work
on
long-term
Solutions
and
the
key
aspect
is
100
of
single
stream.
Recycling
collected
is
being
sent
to
Waste.
Connections
is
no
diversion
of
that
material
whatsoever,
and
we've
been
averaging
four
to
five
loads
of
recycling
per
day
of
single
stream.
U
As
long
as
our
two
tractor
trailers
are
operational
and
then
even
on
some
days
when
we're
a
little
slower
on
our
Wednesdays,
where
we
don't
run
our
routes,
we're
able
to
have
an
extra
tractor
trailer
move
that
recycling
product,
so
it
doesn't
build
up
at
our
admin.
Complex
I
also
wanted
to
touch
on
our
dashboard.
That
was
created
to
enhance
transparency
with
our
citizens
and
kind
of,
as
you
can
see,
and
we'll
touch
on
in
a
little
bit
the
the
lack
of
materials
that
were
being
processed
in
July
through
December.
U
U
U
We
need
technology
to
be
able
to
do
that,
so
that
is
completely
lacking
and
we
will
be
upgrading
that
Kessler
provided
us
with
a
technology
memo
and
we're
looking
to
implement
that
shortly.
I
also
wanted
to
touch
on
at
the
county
level.
Pinellas
County
has
been
doing
public
forums
to
see
about
making
Recycling
and
unincorporated
mandatory
I
myself
live
in
unincorporated,
so
I'm
affected
by
that
as
well.
U
I
used
to
live
in
the
city
of
Clearwater,
so
it's
the
best
for
everybody,
municipalities
and
all
residents
within
Pinellas,
County,
I'm,
not
sure
if
council
is
aware,
but
they
have
said
that
by
2103
I
believe
it
is
that
our
landfill
will
be
completely
sold
and
we
will
have
to
transport
that
waste
outside
of
the
county
at
a
much
higher
rate
if
that
land
fulfills
early.
So
if
we
were
to
say
end
our
recycling
program
that
accelerates
that
timeline
by
about
25
years,
so
that
just
shows
the
importance
of
recycling
credits.
U
U
So
the
first
approach,
which
is
a
full
rate,
credit
as
if
the
recycling
was
not
even
picked
up,
would
run
the
city
based
on
single
family
20.28.
So
that's
six
months
at
3.38
cents
a
month
for
service,
so
I
know
that
seems
very
small,
but
recycling
is
about
10
of
your
monthly
bill
a
given
month
and
then
for
our
commercial
and
multi-family
customers,
because
they
vary
in
their
types
of
services.
Different
size
containers,
different
frequencies
of
pickups,
their
credit,
would
vary.
U
Additionally,
we
have
Municipal
Partners,
or
we
had
Municipal
Partners
in
the
town
of
Bel
Air
and
the
City
of
Safety
Harbor.
So
when
we
looked
at
there,
what
we
had
been
charging
them,
we
would
be
looking
at
a
refund
of
14,
120
and
42
cents
for
Bel,
Air
and
Safety
Harbor
would
be
looking
at
62
925.63.
U
That
would
have
only
netted
a
81
cents
per
month
for
each
single
family
times
that
six
months
or
4.86
additionally
same
scenario.
Commercial
and
multi-family
residences
would
vary
based
on
their
types
of
service.
So
that
estimated
credit
would
have
only
been
a
total
of
177
000
56.91
or
about
10
percent
of
what
the
full
credit
would
be,
and
we
do
not
recommend
taking
that
approach.
S
U
V
Ravens
Finance
director,
our
recommendation
to
council,
is
that
this
credit
be
applied
as
six
months
of
free
service
going
forward
for
ease
of
administration
that
vastly
simplifies
how
this
would
actually
be
administered.
We
would
just
simply
turn
off
the
recycling
charge
for
six
months
on
all
the
accounts.
The
only
back
the
only
downside
to
that
is.
We
will
have
some
one-offs
where
customers
no
longer
live
in
Clearwater
and
they're.
Saying
I
was
in
Clearwater
during
this
period
of
time.
V
B
And
then
I
had
a
question
about
during
part
of
your
presentation.
You
said,
100
of
the
recycling
collected
is
being
taken
by
Waste
Connections,
four
or
five
loads
a
day
as
long
as
two
trucks
are
operational.
How
often
might
there
be
only
one
truck
you
know,
I
mean.
Is
that
a
continuing
problem
for
us
to
get
enough
trucks
to
take
our
recycling
where
it
needs
to
go
sometimes.
B
U
To
start
on
a
given
day
where
we've
worked
with
our
partners
at
Fleet
to
get
those
trucks
back
up
and
running,
we
can
borrow
trucks
from
our
other
section.
So
we
have
the
same
kind
of
truck
running
at
the
transfer
staking
station,
taking
any
of
the
waste
directly
to
the
county.
So
we
might
swap
those
trucks
out
and
then
use
one
of
those
trucks.
So
that
way
we
don't
fall
behind
on
getting
our
single
stream
recycling
over
to.
B
B
U
Absolutely
yeah
because
there's
contamination,
there's
residue
I,
mean
there's
a
couple.
You
know
industry
words
that
they'll
use
that
they
may
not
be
able
to.
You
know
do
that
recycling
I
mean
I
work
within
the
solid
waste
department
and
I
even
find
it
interesting.
Domino's
is
sending
me
an
email,
saying:
hey,
recycle
your
pizza
box,
but
the
problem
is
we
can't
take
that
recycling
in
because
our
processor
will
not
accept
it.
U
B
V
V
People
as
far
as
Reserves
we're
best
we're
lucky
in
that
the
solidation
recycling
fund
currently
is
is,
is
solid,
has
a
good
level
of
reserves
in
excess
of
the
minimum.
We
will
be
also
doing
a
rate
study
this
next
year
so
that
we
can
incorporate
this
into
the
rate
study
and
make
any
adjustments
necessary.
But
it's
not
an
issue
currently
for
for
our
Reserves.
G
Point
to
Emily
Pano
to
the
sister
cities,
Advisory
board,
with
a
term
to
expire,
August,
17
2027..
Unfortunately,
the
individual
she
is
replacing
Miss
Allie
Parks
passed
away.
So
that's
the
reason
for
the
appointment
and
she
was
the
only
applicant
we
have
in
this
category,
so
she
will
be
representing
the
Clearwater
Arts
Alliance
representative.
G
Point
Jarvis
dealer
to
The
brownfields
Advisory
Board,
as
the
government
agency
representative
to
fill
an
unexpired
term
through
June
30
2025
council
members,
Mr
shealer
will
be
replacing
the
government
agency
abroad.
That
was
a
city
employee,
Julie
Phillips.
So
he
will
be
filling
that
role
and
again,
the
only
applicant
in
this.
G
Point
mahali
Marshall
to
The
brownfields
Advisory
Board
to
attempt
set
to
expire
August
17th
through
2027.
Mr
Hart
was
serving
on
this
board
for
a
long
time,
and
she
just
came
to
the
point
where
it
was
just
time
for
somebody
else.
So
we
were
able
to
find
another
residence
in
the
brownfields
area,
Haley
Marshall,
to
serve
in
this
capacity.
G
Appoint
Philip
ragari
to
the
Marine
Advisory
Board
to
fill
the
remainder
of
an
unexpired
term
through
March
31
2025.,
Miranda
Douglas
was
serving
on
this
board
and
unfortunately,
she
has
left
moved
outside
of
City
Limits.
That's
the
reason
why
we're
following
this
vacancy
and
he
was
the
only
applicant
we
had.
G
Point
Jonathan
Barnes
the
public,
Art
and
Design
board
as
a
Clearwater
Arts
Alliance
representative,
to
fill
the
remainder
of
an
unexpired
term
through
March
31
2026.
Mr
Barnes
is
filling
Miss,
Breanne
Roberts,
who
was
filling
in
that
same
category,
but
she
has
moved
outside
of
City
Limits.
So
that
is
the
reason
for
the
appointment.
Okay,.
G
0.9
points
an
individual
to
fight
to
fill
an
unexpired
term
through
April
30
2025
on
the
public,
Art
and
Design
board
and
the
resident
knowledge
in
fields
of
public
art,
education
or
Community
Affairs
category
through
April
30
2025,
with
Mr
Barnes
moving
into
the
other
category.
We
now
have
a
vacancy
and
in
your
agenda
packs
you
have
applications
for
Karen,
Cunningham,
Lisa
bills,
Matthew
Estes,
Rebecca,
Irvin,
Sharon,
Reed
Kane,
for
your
consideration.
D
D
I
was
originally
prepared
to
ask
Council
only
through
September,
because
I'm
pretty
confident,
we'll
bring
this
for
a
public
discussion
by
the
end
of
September.
However,
Ms
Cole
asks
for
the
end
of
October
so
that
it
gives
some
extra
time
in
case
there
are
either
last
minute
questions
or
things
that
we
need
to
clarify,
which
seems
reasonable
to
me
so
I'm
fully
in
support
of
this
okay
questions.
D
All
right
so
mayor,
this
is
a
decorum
discussion.
So,
as
the
council
knows,
we've
had
a
recent
conversation
about
how
the
guest
group
household
meetings
more
efficiently
and
decorum
is
a
big
part
of
that,
because
the
purpose
of
any
government
meeting
or
any
private
meeting
for
that
matter
is
to
get
through
the
agenda
to
get
through
the
purpose
for
which
the
body
the
council
has
directed
me
to
explore
different
decorum
options.
D
So
that
can
help
us
do
that
and
of
course,
there's
always
a
balance
because
on
one
hand
we
need
to
get
through
the
agenda
and
to
do
it
in
a
manner
that's
respectful
of
each
other,
respectful
of
our
citizens,
respectful
of
staff
and
then
at
the
same
time,
that
we
are
also
respectful
of
the
First
Amendment
and
that
we
do
it
in
the
mail.
That's
consistent
with
the
Constitution
So.
To
that
end,
as
I
started.
Looking
at
this
I
found
several
different
options,
and
some
of
these
are
best
practices.
D
D
So
I
picture
this
item
as
a
menu
of
options
now
website
coming
to
a
nice
restaurant,
you
can
order
something
off
the
menu
you
can
order,
something
on
the
menu
you
can
order,
one
of
everything,
and
so
it
is
entirely
the
council's
decision
as
to
which
of
these
items
or
all
of
them
that
you
would
like
to
adopt.
It's
also
your
discretion
to
adopt
none
of
them,
as
well
as
other
items
that
are
not
on
the
menu
but
I've
presented
these.
For
a
couple
reasons.
D
Number
one
I
feel
confident
that
each
of
the
items
listed
here
have
survived.
First
Amendment
challenges,
so
that's
number
one.
You
know,
there's
always
going
to
be
someone
who's
going
to
sue
for
something.
That's
just
the
society
we
live
in
nowadays.
That
I
do
feel
confident
constitutionally
speaking
that
any
or
all
of
these
Will
Survive,
you
know
the
inevitable
First
Amendment
challenge,
so
that's
part
of
it.
D
The
second
part
of
it
is
that
these
are
all
things
that
I
have
seen
other
government
entities
adopt
in
various
capacities,
so
there
is
some
of
that
best
practice
aspect
to
it
as
well.
So
no
particular
work
they're,
not
you
know,
don't
read
anything
into
that.
They
were
just
the
stream
of
Consciousness
as
I
was
documenting
it.
D
So,
with
that
said,
I'm
happy
to
answer
our
questions
as
to
any
of
any
one
of
these
or
all
of
them,
as
the
case
may
be,
but
what
I'd
like
to
get
from
Council
is
to
go
one
by
one
and
to
see
if
there
is
consensus
among
Council
for
each
of
these,
for
all
of
them
for
none
of
them,
and
so
that
way,
I
know
from
a
drafting
standpoint
on
what
to
actually
draft,
and
so,
with
council's
permission,
that's
what
I
would
ask.
Okay.
A
A
Chief
and
it's
completely
false
completely
nowhere
near
true,
amongst
other
things,
so
you
know
this
is
not
about
me.
This
is
not
about
me
saying
I,
don't
want
this
I'm
doing
this
for
anybody
up
here
who
has
to
sit
through
any
of
this
for
the
next
X
amount
of
years
on
the
staff.
If
you
don't
want
to
do
it,
fine
I'll
tell
the
attorney.
Leave
you
know,
put
it
back
in
his
pocket.
Take
it
home
with
him,
but
so
I
want
to
hear
what
everybody
else
has
to
say.
I
You
move
it
to
the
end
of
the
meeting
they're
not
going
to
have
an
audience.
Maybe
two
or
three
people
left
in
here
I
think
that'd.
Take
care
of
of
it.
I
also
think
that
we
had
some
issues
before
with
campaign
materials
during
the
we're
in
the
campaign
season
again.
I
think
that
that
should
be
left
out,
because
everybody
seems
to
sit
in
that
one
seat
there
with
their
sign
and
get
I.
Think
unfair.
I
I
mean
I'm
up
for
listening
to
other
things
too,
but
you
know
the
guy
that
was
in
here
in
the
background,
with
the
middle
finger,
salute
the
whole
time
that
we
were
swearing
in
our
new
chief
I
didn't
think
that
was
that
was
very
tasteless
for
everybody
that
was
looking
but
I.
Think
you
I
don't
know
I
mean
he
could
make
a
probably
a
case
to
say
and
that's
my
comment
or
the
situation
instead
of
a
boo.
But
you
know
it's
just
it's
tasteless
in
here.
I
B
So
I
appreciate
this
as
a
starting
point:
I
agree
with
councilmember
Albritton,
so
the
first
one
move
agenda
items
to
an
earlier
phase
in
the
agenda.
So,
as
you
said,
the
point
of
the
meeting
is
to
get
through
the
agenda
and
conduct
a
meeting,
so
people
that
are
here
at
six
o'clock
to
comment
on
items
on
the
agenda
certainly
comment
on
items
on
the
agenda.
Those
that
are
here
for
items
not
on
the
agenda
will
wait
until
the
end
of
the
meeting
and
then
comment.
That
seems
fine
to
me.
B
The
second
one
city
staff
declining
to
publicly
broadcast
citizens
produced
materials
displayed
on
the
overhead
projector
to
ensure
that
the
city
does
not
participate
in
broadcasting,
vulgar
racist
or
other
inappropriate
material,
I'm
cautious
about
this
one,
because
I
haven't
seen
big
instances
of
anything.
That's
vulgar
or
disrespectful
on
that
overhead
and
I
really
feel
there's
a
lot
of
power
in
visual
images.
You
know
I,
think
of
Kathy
Flaherty
and
her
iPad
movies
of
trash
overflowing
in
dumpsters
and
things
like
that.
B
I
mean
there
is
an
impact
to
have
a
visual,
so
I'd
be
a
little
more
cautious
of
that.
Certainly
we
can
have
rules
and
I
I
would
think
we
probably
do
that.
You
can't
broadcast
vulgar
racist
or
other
inappropriate
material,
but
to
prevent
everyone
from
showing
a
visual
I.
Don't
think
we
need
that
just
yet.
B
The
fourth
one
says
clarifying
that
disruptive
activities
include
the
middle
finger
and
similar
obscene
gestures
and
are
therefore
prohibited
from
then
the
languages
from
the
audience.
While
another
person
is
speaking
at
the
podium
I
would
think
they're
prohibited
from
the
audience
period.
So
people
aren't
flashing
around
the
middle
finger
out
in
the
audience,
and
not
only
when
somebody's
speaking
like
that
man
did
during
the
swearing-in
right.
So
I
don't
know
the
distinction
Mr
Margolis
about
only
when
somebody's
speaking,
you
can't
flash.
You
know,
obscenities.
D
You
know,
as
I
said,
I
mean
this
is
a
this
is
a
menu.
You
know
that
can
be
modified.
You
know,
I
would
say
that
the
rules
should
be
as
narrowly
tailored
to
accomplish
our
purpose
as
possible,
and
so
restricting
someone
who's
not
at
the
podium
from
doing
that
has
a
pretty
legitimate
purpose,
because
we
all
know
that
was
incredibly
distracting
from
the
activity
that
was
actually
legitimately
taking
place
at
the
podium
and
it
would
have
just
as
disrespectful
if
it
had
been
another
citizen.
D
D
But
that's
something
I'd
want
to
look
at
a
little
bit
more
carefully,
just
because
then
you're
talking
about
the
someone
who's
actually
talking
at
the
podium,
whereas
when
you're
talking
about
somebody's,
not
at
the
podium,
it's
not
that
they
don't
have
the
full
Mark
right.
It's
not
their
time
to
be
heard
in
the
first
place,
whereas
the
person
at
the
podium
has
a
little
bit
more
leeway
in
most
cases
because
they're
actually
at
the
podium.
D
So
if
that
is
something
the
council
would
like
to
expand
to
cover
a
person
say
at
the
podium,
then
we
could
do
that,
but
or
if
you're
like
looking
to
expand
it
just
to
say
at
any
time.
You
know
during
the
meeting
that
there's
a
no
gesture
of
that
kind
of
allowed.
That's
something
we
can
look
at,
but
I
want
to
look
at
that
a
little
bit
more
closely
to
see
if
that
would
sufficiently
narrow
to
survive.
First
Amendment
challenge,
okay,
because.
D
I
have
to
massage
a
little
bit.
So
if
it's
something
that
the
council
is
interested
in
moving
forward
with,
as
far
as
some
prohibition
on
I've
seen
gestures,
then
that's
something
we'll
probably
refine
a
little
bit.
Keep
in
mind
that
whatever
the
council
gives
a
sent
to
today,
we'll
have
to
come
back
before
the
council
after
it's
been
drafted,
and
so
then
you'll
have
more
opportunity
to
kind
of
craft
that
a
little
bit
more
but
before
I
even
start
drafting.
B
You
know
I
had
mentioned
to
you
that
we've
had
candidate
forums
here
where
people
sit
in
the
audience
with
their
candidates,
t-shirt
or
people
wear
t-shirts
of
candidates
that
are
running
for
County
or
state
or
national
office.
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
a
problem
with
campaign.
Well,
I
think
you
shouldn't
be
Distributing,
probably
flyers
in
here
or
having
signs.
But
if
you
have
a
t-shirt
on,
that's
not
again
doesn't
have
profanity
or
something
on
it
and
has
somebody's
name
I,
don't
I
think
that's
a
freedom
of
expression.
A
Running
for
or
whatever
so
I
just
don't
think
it
never
did
when
I
was
here
and
that's
what
just
I
mean
I
sent
a
text
message
during
that
one
time
it
was
like
well
tell
so
and
so
to
bring
their
sign
out
I'm
like
well,
that's
not
the
point.
What's
the
sign
doing
there
in
the
first
place,
you
know
it's
like
you
know.
This
is
not
supposed
to
be
a
political
rally.
It's
supposed
to
be
an
event
that
that's
my
opinion.
That's
a
good
point.
That's
fine!
So,
anyway,
anything
else.
E
Well,
I'm
in
a
minority
here,
but
I
I
believe
the
the
little
guy
has
the
chance
to
take
a
shot
at
us
that
you
know
we
should
be
good
enough
to
not
let
it
bother
us
I
I,
remember
back
in
when
I
was
asking
to
be
put
on
the
Downtown
Development
board,
April
16
2020
right
there
at
that
Podium,
wealthy
and
Powerful
scientologists,
many
of
them
Titans
in
the
community,
came
to
address
us
on
that
subject
and
one
after
another.
They
were
calling
me
names.
They
were
saying
outrageous
things
about
me.
E
Ray
Cassano
tried
to
play
a
video
that
he
said
would
show
me
cursing
and
vehemently
getting
in
the
way
of
scientologists.
He
called
it
quite
ugly
and
reprehensible,
but
he
wasn't
able
to
get
the
video
to
play.
Well,
since
he's
an
elected
official
I
did
a
records
request
and
I
got
a
copy
of
that.
Video
and
I
put
it
on
my
YouTube
channel.
So
everybody
could
see
this
this.
You
know
one
one
after
another.
E
You
know
I.
Also,
don't
remember
anybody
else.
Speaking
up
from
the
day
of
saying.
Oh
perhaps
that
was
you
know
uncalled
for,
but
that's
okay,
I
understand,
I'm
a
little
more
tolerant
of
of
this
type
of
behavior
than
most,
but
having
watched,
YouTube
videos
of
the
sheer
Insanity
that
happens
at
some
Council
meetings
across
the
country,
I
think
we're
getting
off
lucky
I
agree.
E
The
armed
fisherman
with
his
finger
was
terribly
inappropriate
if
we
tried
to
escort
the
model
here,
though
he
would
have
created
as
big
a
scene
as
he
did
when
he
came
here
the
first
time
and
was
shouting
and
screaming.
So
he
could
get
videos
himself
with
the
police,
hauling
him
out
of
here,
but
again,
I'm
Illuminati.
B
I
have
one
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
when
you
know
when
people
come
and
speak
before
us
for
items
on
the
agenda.
Certainly
we
take
that
into
consideration
when
we
vote
or
as
we
discuss,
but
when
they
come
and
speak
to
us
for
items
not
on
the
agenda
and
sometimes
someone
will
say
we'll
have
staff
get
back
to
you
or
something
like
that.
I
think
it's
important
to
have.
You
know
some
sort
of
confirmation
that
that's
actually
happened,
and
you
know
if
we
can
think
about
that.
B
I
don't
know
if
it
would
be
attached
to
the
minutes.
You
know
an
email,
confirmation
or
communication
with
whatever
resident.
We
said
that
to
or
if
it
would
just
be
shared
with
us,
but
I
think
that's
an
important
step
to
make
sure
that
people
who
speak
on
items
not
on
the
agenda
are
actually
heard,
and
you
know
if,
if
there
is
something
we
can
do,
sometimes
they
just.
A
D
D
Those
are
the
two
at
least
that
I'm
hearing
seem
to
have
majority
support
right
now,
so
I
could
certainly
act
upon
those
two.
If
there
is,
if
I've
heard
that
correctly
or
if
the
council
would
like,
then
that
entire
conversation
can
be
deferred.
But
given
that
this
is
staff
Direction
and
not
being
voted
on
at
this
time,
I
would
prefer
to
have
those
types
of
conversations
at
work
session.
There
will
be
a
time
for
the
council
to
actually
vote
on
whatever
comes
before
you
and,
of
course
time
for
citizens
to
comment
before
on
it.
A
B
D
Thing
just
to
clarify
on
that
point:
I
would
necessarily
suggest
getting
rid
of
visuals
as
well
cleared
out.
There
are
a
lot
of
legitimate
and
powerful
visuals
I
think
that
can
be
helpful.
What
I
would
suggest
is
Council,
considering
whether
all
of
those
visuals
should
be
broadcast
to
the
public
is
a
different
question
from
whether
people
can
display
them.
That's
a
very
different
question:
it
is
not
easy.
I
will
tell
you
to
draft
a
rule
that
just
says
we
will
broadcast
something
that
we
think
is
appropriate
versus.
D
We
will
not
broadcast
something
that's
inappropriate,
certainly
for
Joelle
and
her
staff.
It's
a
lot
easier
to
have
it
as
a
binary
system.
Either
we
broadcast
or
we
don't
broadcast
we
currently
do,
and
certainly
by
all
means
we
can
keep
that
as
the
practice.
However,
we
are
not
well
set
up
for
a
situation
in
which
someone
does,
for
example,
put
photography
or
something
like
that
on
the
overhead,
projector
or
curveballs.
Don't
account
for
that
very
well,
that's
it!
D
We
don't
have
to
do
any
of
these,
let
alone
all
of
these,
and
so
to
the
point
about
salt,
a
world
problems.
One
option
is
to
Simply,
allow
the
current
practice
to
remain
in
place
and
then,
if
it
becomes
a
problem
to
address
it
at
a
later
time,
so
these
are
always
flexible
rules.
That's
nice
thing
about
the
main
Council
rules
is
they
can
change
as
Council
changes
as
well
as
a
lot
of
our
needs
change
as
well.
So,
as
I
said
just.
D
D
Is
as
to
the
third
one,
which
is
a
directing
comments
toward
the
chair
and
refraining
from
personal
insults
unless
discussing
a
vote
that
was
cast
or
statement
made
by
that
individual
council
member
I,
think
I
heard
the
mayor
and
council
member
Beckman
indicate
their
support
for
that
particular
proposal.
I'm
not
sure
and
I
am
hearing
from
the
vice
mayor.
There's
really
none
of
these
that
may
be
of
interest
to
him,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
understand
correctly,
because
we
don't
get
to
vote
on
anything
today.
D
No
that'll
that'll
be
the
plan,
so
just
to
put
the
the
Apple
all
on
that,
so
I'll
start
working
on
a
drafting
of
that
I
will
likely
bring
that
back
at
the
next
work
session
or
at
the
latest
the
work
session
after
that
and
then
you'll
get
to
see
drafts
of
it.
Obviously
the
public
will
get
to
see
it.
Public
will
get
to
combat
well
before
anyone
votes
on
it,
Etc
chafing
it
if
council
member
teshado
when
she
returns
indicates
that
she
would
like
to
participate
in
that
conversation.
D
B
You
know
next
meeting
or
anything
because
it's
a
bigger
discussion,
I
think
county-wide.
It's
been
brought
up
at
the
board
of
County
Commissioners
as
well,
and
maybe
with
Ford
Pinellas
about
what
kind
of
approach
would
we
have
on
the
trails
and
or
sidewalks
with
people
with
these
electric
bicycles
now
so
there's
some
some
big
concerns
about
safety
and
increased
use
and
all
that
stuff.
So
just
hopefully
that's
on
the
radar.
Okay.