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A
Today's
meeting
of
the
neighborhood
and
affordable
housing
advisory
board
is
called
to
order
on
august
9th
2022
welcome
everyone
agenda
for
today's
meeting
is
on
the
wall
of
the
entrance
of
chambers.
Please
remember
to
turn
off
your
cell
phones
to
ensure
complete
record
of
the
board's
action.
We
ask
that
each
individual
wishing
to
speak
clearly
state
your
name
and
spell
your
last
name
for
the
clerk.
I
will
ask
the
board
members
present
to
introduce
themselves
and
identify
the
fields
they
each
represent.
We'll
start
with
you.
A
A
A
Okay,
see
no
one
come
forward,
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item:
item
4.1
presentation
by
linda
fisher,
ford,
pinellas
regarding
transportation
as
it
relates
to
affordable
housing.
I
would
like
to
thank
mr
chennal
for
helping
to
arrange
for
ms
fisher
to
join
us
today
and
miss
fisher
on
behalf
of
the
port
board.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
taking
time
out
of
your
busy
day
to
be
here.
A
Transportation
and
housing
pose
some
of
the
biggest
challenges
our
communities
face.
Hearing
from
an
expert
as
to
how
these
two
things
relate
and
intersect
will
be
very
helpful
for
the
board.
So
for
the
benefit
of
our
board
members,
I
will
read
your
bio.
Real,
quick,
linda
fischer,
is
a
principal
planner
with
ford
pinellas,
focusing
on
land
use,
planning,
gis
analysis
and
local
government
technical
assistance.
A
She
co-authored
the
country
county-wide
plan
for
pinellas
county,
which
coordinates
future
land
use
planning
for
all
25
local
governments.
In
the
county
and
has
assisted
many
local
governments
with
comprehensive
plan
updates,
mapping
and
other
planning
projects,
mrs
fisher
is
a
certified
planner,
with
a
masters
in
urban
and
regional
planning
from
florida
state
university
and
a
bachelor's
in
psychology
in
sociology
from
ursinus
college
in
pennsylvania,
she
has
nearly
24
years
of
public
sector
experience,
planning
experience
with
fort
pinellas
and
the
pinellas
planning
council
welcome
ms
fisher.
Thank
you.
G
Pat,
can
we
get
the
powerpoint
on
this
one?
I
don't
think
the
board
can
see
it
if
not
yeah.
Okay,
sorry
thank.
F
You
very
much
okay
and
how
how
planning
for
affordable
housing
fits
into
our
county-wide
planning
for
transportation
and
jobs.
F
Before
I
start,
I
wanted
to
say
that,
while
I'm
here
to
talk
about
longer
term
planning
for
anyone
who
is
having
a
housing
emergency
today,
there
are
resources
that
the
county
has
that
may
help
online.
You
can
go
to
rent.pinellas.gov
and
click
help
with
housing.
You
can
call
211
or
you
can
text
your
zip
code
to
898-211.
F
We
wear
a
few
different
hats,
we're
the
planning
council
for
pinellas
county
coordinating
land
use
for
all
the
the
different
communities,
we're
also
the
metropolitan
planning
organization.
So
we
coordinate
transportation,
planning
county
wide
and
we've
also
partnered
with
pinellas
county
government
on
a
county-wide,
affordable,
housing
effort.
We
have
what
we're
calling
a
housing
compact.
You
may
be
familiar
with
it,
but
I'll
talk
more
about
it.
In
this
presentation.
F
F
The
estimate
is
that
it
would
cost
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
a
month
in
mortgage
payments.
That's
an
ideal
case
in
terms
of
financing
and
that
doesn't
include
property
taxes
or
homeowners.
Insurance,
townhomes
and
condominiums
are
a
little
less
expensive
at
about
300
000
median
sales
price,
but
the
cost
of
all
types
of
homes
has,
of
course
been
rising.
It's
been
about
24
over
the
last
year
and
that's
on
top
of
other
year-over-year
increases.
F
Rents
are
also
very
expensive.
Median
rent
for
a
one
bedroom
apartment
in
clearwater
is
about
fifteen
hundred
dollars
a
month
currently
and
that's
actually
pretty
good
for
pinellas
county.
That's
only
a
10
increase
from
this
month
last
year,
but
again
that's
on
top
of
year
over
year,
very
steep
increases.
F
So
when
we
use
the
term
affordable
housing,
we're
really
talking
about
a
broader
concept
of
housing,
affordability,
we
need
to
make
housing
more
affordable
in
general.
We
all
know
there's
no
silver
bullet
for
this.
There
aren't
any
easier,
quick
solutions,
but
there
are
long-term
planning
strategies
that
communities
can
consider
to
create
more
units,
more
diverse
types
of
units
for
people
of
all
income
levels.
F
Our
best
current
estimate
is
that
at
least
one
out
of
every
three
households
in
pinellas
county
is
cost
burdened
with
housing,
transportation
or
both,
but
in
pinellas
there
aren't
really
any
good
alternatives
for
transportation
without
good
transit.
It's
difficult
to
get
from
home
to
anywhere
without
a
car.
F
F
F
F
It
calls
for
concentrating
redevelopment
on
our
major
corridors
with
density
and
design
that
supports
transit.
Those
corridors
have
a
lot
of
vacant
and
underutilized
commercial
property.
So
why
not
use
that
land
to
create
higher
density,
mixed-use
hubs
with
housing
and
jobs
and
then
use
them
as
a
framework
for
building
a
high
quality
transit
system?
F
F
F
F
F
We
conducted
a
county-wide
analysis
that
looked
at
factors
like
percentage
of
zero
car
households,
population
density,
job
density,
cost
of
housing,
redevelopment
potential
and
equity
in
how
we've
made
public
investments.
In
the
past,
we
identified
three
corridors
that
scored
most
highly
and
they
include
a
portion
of
us
19,
roosevelt
boulevard
into
east
bay
drive
and
the
south
half
of
alternate
19..
F
F
The
corridor
stretches
from
central
avenue
in
the
south
to
gulf
bay
boulevard
in
the
north.
It
passes
through
st
petersburg
seminole
largo
clearwater
and
the
unincorporated
county,
and
we
will
be
working
with
each
community
to
help
develop
a
transformative
redevelopment
plan
for
each
part
of
the
quarter.
F
F
F
F
A
G
Economic
development,
housing
department-
thank
you
for
being
here
today,
thanks
again
for
your
service
to
this
board.
This
is
an
interesting
agreement.
We've
worked.
We've
been
communicating
with
this
group
for
for
a
little
bit
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
could
go
about
helping
the
child
care
industry.
We
started
with
our
club.
We
had
some
some
difficulties
with
that
on
how
we
could
structure
something
that
was
equitable.
G
So
we
came
along
came
across
the
pinellas
county,
early
learning
coalition,
and
we
we
worked
into
this
and
it
seems
to
be
something
that
can
be
very
functional,
so
the
early
learning
coalition
of
pinellas
county
partners,
with
more
than
500
preschools
family
child
care
homes
and
school-aged
care
care
providers
to
deliver
education
and
enrichment
programs
that
set
a
lifelong
trajectory.
G
G
G
The
early
learning
coalition
school
readiness
program
provides
tuition,
assistance
to
working
families,
school
readiness,
funds
pay
for
a
portion
of
child
care
costs
based
on
the
family's
household
size,
annual
gross
inc
and
annual
gross
income.
It's
basically
a
sliding
scale,
while
this
program
serves
an
average
of
six
thousand
children
county
wide.
The
restrictive
eligibility
criteria
excludes
a
lot
of
families
leaves
a
lot
of
families
a
lot
of
low-income
families
that
aren't
getting
that
help.
G
So
this
agreement
between
us
and
the
elc
will
provide
tuition
assistance
to
low
to
moderate
income
families
who
don't
qualify
under
those
programs.
Now
those
other
programs
are
funded
by
the
department
of
education,
those
are
federal
funds,
of
course,
and
jwb
local
funds,
obviously
local
tax
dollars.
So
there
is
a
gap
among
local
families,
low-income
families
that
don't
qualify
for
either
either
of
those
funds
and
that's
what
our
funding
is
intended
to
do.
So,
our
funding.
G
What
we're
planning
to
do
is
use
the
same
criteria,
the
same
math
to
determine
what
the
benefit
is
to
the
family
as
those
other
two
funding
sources.
So
we're
not
creating
something
different
and
and
again
we'll
serve
that
gap
that
eligibility
gap
so
under
the
agreement,
elc
estimates
to
provide
tuition,
assistance
to
42
clearwater
households,
now
that's
very
difficult
to
predict
that
at
an
average
subsidy
of
145
dollars
per
week,
all
right
and
that's
over
12
months.
G
Additional
benefits
to
this
partnership
include
a
structured
learning
environment
for
children,
parents
returning
to
the
workforce
and
increased
enrollment
for
local
child
care
industry
at
145
dollars
per
month.
It
it
adds
up.
It's
it's
about
7
500
a
year,
so
you
know
what
the
way
they
get
that
is
they
average
out
and
it's
you
know
what
we
pay
on
average,
could
be
very
different
than
that,
because
infants
are
basically
they're
over
ten
thousand
dollars
per
on
the
subsidy.
G
G
So
it's
hard
to
say
exactly
how
many,
how
much
money
it
seems
like
a
heavy
subsidy,
but
it's
it's
again,
it's
exactly
what
is
being
funded
from
those
other
two
programs,
we're
not
recreating
the
wheel
on
it,
we're
just
you
know,
just
adding
to
the
eligibility
gap
so
in
the
cdbg
cv
funds,
which
of
course
is
federal
money
to
address
issues
raising
from
the
pandemic
and
the
child
care
industry.
Certainly
certainly
that
so
I
mentioned
our
club
earlier
one
of
the
things
we
did.
G
We
tried
to
do
this
kind
of
thing
with
our
club
and
we
tried
to
you
know
our
what
our
club
is
experiencing
is
and
our
global
benefit
from
this,
but
they're
experiencing
having
difficulty
getting
people
to
come
to
work
right.
So
we
talked
about
well
what
if
we
had
a
subsidy
and
raised
you
know
you
were
able
to
raise
your
wages
through
that
through
a
county-wide
program.
It
would
create
some
inequities
in
other
communities
where
they're
not
paying
that
that
amount
and
they're
paying
more
in
clearwater,
so
they
weren't
comfortable
going
that
route.
G
G
Per
week,
okay
per
week,
I
missed
that.
So
it's
about
the
average
we're
looking
at
75.49
per
week
for
the
subsidy
and
there's
an
additional
salary
support
component
on
top
of
that,
nine
percent
of
that
which
is
an
additional
679..
So
the
total
contract
for
the
12
months
is
345
593.
D
G
You
know
we
look
to
them
to
to
let
us
know,
you
know
what
you
know
who
who
they
could
help,
how
many
people
they
could
help.
We
didn't,
we
didn't
ask
them
to
restrict
the
funding.
Let
us
know
what
you
know,
what
it's
going
to
take
for
you
to
provide
as
much
help
as
we
can.
So
that's
what
they
predicted.
I
think
they
predicted
that
that's
the
amount
of
folks
that
in
clearwater,
that
are
that
are
low
income
below
80
ami,
that
don't
qualify
for
the
other
two
programs.
G
The
funding
is
available.
We
can
yeah
yeah
I'll,
be
I'll,
be
coming
to
the
board
within
the
next
month.
Maybe
six
weeks
with
an
amendment
to
our
cdbg
cv
plan.
Okay,
so
so
you'll
see
how
all
that's
laid
out.
This
will
be
within
that
budget.
So
you'll
get
a
better
kind
of
holistic
view
of
how
we're
how
we're
budgeting
those
funds
and
plan
to
spend
them
so
but
yeah,
if,
if,
if
they
exceed
their
funding
and
there's
funding
available
or
other
groups,
aren't
spending
the
funding
they
predicted
to
spend.
B
G
G
That's
a
really
good
question
we
can,
but
I
I'll
have
to
talk
with
the
earlier
coalition,
because
that's
not
really
the
intent,
it
would
be
eligible
under
the
source,
but
I
think
that's
a
great
point.
I
think
I
need
to
have
that
conversation
with
them
because
we'd
rather
these
funds
go
towards
the
clearwater
residents.
This.
D
G
Right
you're
right:
they
you
know
and
talking
through
this
with
them.
You
know
parents,
either.
You
know,
put
their
kids
in
childcare,
close
to
their
home
or
closer
to
work,
yeah,
one
of
the
other
yeah.
So
that's
a
really
good
point
too
folks,
living
and
working
in
clearwater.
You
know
that
would
be
a
reasonable.
G
G
I
think
I
have
to
talk
with
lindsey
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
catch-22
with
it,
some
of
the
one
of
the
programs
the
folks
aren't
eligible
if
they're
not
working,
so
you
know
we.
Those
are
folks
that
we,
you
know
that
we
could
catch
other
and
I
think
the
other,
the
other
funding
source
they
go
by
the
poverty
level,
so
they
have
a
different.
You
know
it's
a
different
cap,
it's
very
different
than
the
ami.
G
C
And
and
that's
the
point
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
so
you
don't
have
a
job,
but
if
you
get
this
program
you
can
get
a
job.
That's
7
500
a
year
you're
going
to
get
for
this
to
help
you
get
a
job.
If,
after
90
days
or
120
days
or
180
days,
you
don't
have
a
job.
Are
you
still
continuing
to
get
this
money?
That's
a
12-month
program.
G
D
C
We
have,
I
think
you
know.
Certainly
we
want
to
take
care
of
everyone.
We
always
want
to
do
that,
but
we
have
a
program
that
if
I
am
only
making
x
dollars
an
hour
using
your
scenario,
mom
and
dad
are
both
working
and
they
still
can't
afford
child
care.
Giving
them
this
subsidy
to
me
makes
absolutely
100
sense.
C
A
C
F
C
A
C
A
E
I'm
sorry,
oh
no,
I
get
what
you're
saying,
but
if
your
mother's
home,
in
that
scenario,
nobody's
forcing
her
to
put
her
child
in
care,
so
if
she's
making
this
stuff
to
put
her
child
or
he's
making
the
step
to
put
the
child
in
care,
there's
a
reason,
and
hopefully
the
goal
of
the
program
is
so
that
they
can
obtain
employment
and
they
have
a
year
to
do
so.
So
it's
not
going
to
be
a
continual
program.
If
not,
but
nobody's
saying
you
can't
stay
home
with
your
child.
A
Well-
and
it
may
be
something
that
we
don't
know
that
the
that
the
pinellas
county
early
learning
coalition
is
already
working
on
where
they
have
an
application
system.
That
includes
some
of
this
conversation
of.
Are
you
looking
for
a
job?
Are
you
actively
looking
for
a
job?
So
we
don't
have
that
information.
It's
probably
information
that
we
could
get
from
them.
D
E
D
Or
six
months
is
checking,
did
you
obtain
employees,
but
to
your
point
pete
I
mean
you
would
assume
that
every
parent
is
responsible
for
their
child
and
every
parent
has
the
best
interest
of
that
child
to
be
educated
and
all
that.
But
we
know
that
the
reality
is
not
like
that
and
when
you
get
to
that
point
you
know
the
child
may
not
be
receiving
anything
but
just
basic
needs.
So
no
I'm.
C
I'm
coming
at
it
from
this
perspective,
I
see
program
after
program
after
program
that
money
gets
pumped
into
and
I
don't
necessarily
see
the
benefits
on
the
back
end
of
the
program.
I'm
saying
that
if
you
have
a
program
like
this,
what
I
would
like
to
see
is
a
series
of
maybe
every
90
days
we
come
and
we
find
did
you
get
a
job
almost
like
unemployment?
Did
you
get
a
job?
Have
you
looked
for
a
job?
Have
you
gotten?
Well,
I
went
out
on
these
interviews.
I
still
haven't
gotten
there.
C
Okay,
you're
tempting
at
least,
but
to
just
from
the
way
I
hear
it
once
you're
on
this
program.
You
don't
really
even
have
to
look
for
a
job
and
so
you're
pumping
this
money
and
it's
not
getting
anybody
a
job
or
getting
somebody
off
of
being
unemployment.
I
don't
see
that
connecting.
I
just
don't
know
that.
D
Unreasonable
request,
no,
no,
I
agree
with
you.
That's
not
an
unreasonable
request,
that's
something
that
it
can
be
probably
added
to
the
program
right,
but
I
think
you
know
to
camille's
point.
I
think
the
benefit
of
having
a
kid
in
in
this
sort
of
child
care
early.
You
know
it's
for
the
for
the
child.
C
A
I'm
saying
and-
and
I
will
say
that
my
argument
is
complete
opposite
of,
that
is
to
say
these
funds
came
from
for
for
recovery
after
the
pandemic
for
covin.
Let's
remember
that
we're
in
florida
and
then
most
companies
ask
the
employees
to
go
back
to
work
in
june
of
2020.,
not
in
june
of
2021,
not
this
year.
These
people
that
have
not
had
child
care
because
they
were
literally
not
able
to
leave
a
child
at
home
to
go
back
to
a
job
that
was
asking
them
to
go
back.
A
C
Can
that's,
I
didn't
say
that
what
I
said
was
if
it's
a
program,
that's
going
to
give
money
based
on
that
we're
trying
to
help
people
and
subsidize
people.
I
think
there
should
be
some
series
of
check
in
there
or
balance
that
says.
Wait.
A
second.
Are
you
even
trying?
Are
you
even
trying?
It
sounds
like
a
pro.
It
doesn't
seem.
E
To
me
to
be
unreasonable,
it's
not
unreasonable
a
position,
so
the
pinellas
county,
early
learning
coalition,
their
job
is
child
care
things
like
that.
That's
what
they're
focused
on
so
now
you're
creating
another
checks
and
balances
program,
which
is
another
person
you
have
to
pay
so
out
of
the
334
000,
with
the
goal
of
trying
to
get
people
back
to
work,
you're
going
to
have
to
create
a
position
and
create
some
way
that
somebody's
monitoring
that
and.
A
Again,
we
don't
know
that
they
don't
already
have
that.
We
don't
know
that
they
don't
already
have
that
and
if
you
think
about
it,
if
this
subsidy
helps
keep
the
child
care
workers
at
work
because
we're
able
to
get
more
kids
inside
of
those
buildings
that
are
already
there
anyways,
then
that's
also
a
positive
we're,
not
just
talking
about
the
kids
that
are
able
to
get
care.
E
I
think
I
look
at
it
with
this.
You
have
a
year,
then,
if
there
is
it's,
not
a
you're
in
this
program
and
you're
in
it
for
life,
you
have
a
year
and
the
child
might.
If,
if
it's
about
you
know
people
abusing
the
program,
the
child's
not
abusing
the
program,
the
child's
in
the
program
getting
that
development
stimulation
and
things
that
the
programs
are
going
to
do
for
early
learning,
that
they
might
not
be
getting
from
home.
G
I
can
definitely
have
the
conversation
we
they're,
obviously
going
to
have
to
report
monthly
their
accomplishments,
but
on
on
pt
you're
concerned,
I
can
certainly
you
know,
communicate
with
them.
I
I
don't
know
that
a
restriction
is
necessary
at
this
time
I
mean
maybe
some
unintended
consequences,
but
I
think
it's
something
to
keep
our
eye
on.
You
know
understand
how
it's
affecting
those
folks
and
the
parents
decisions
go
back
to
work.
You
know
early
learning,
you
know
the
structured
environment
of
teaching.
G
These
kids
is
there's
a
lot
of
value
in
that
you
know,
and
that's
what
where
they
like
to
say,
it
sets
them
on
a
trajectory,
that's
much
more
positive
than
if
they
weren't
taking
this.
They
weren't
in
this
program.
These
programs.
B
Chuck
just
just
a
clarification
here.
I
did
text
one
of
my
employees.
They
do
an
annual
recertification,
but
if
they
change
child
cares
or
make
any
changes
at
all
in
their
request
for
assistance
or
anything
like
that,
they
do
re-evaluate
at
that
time.
Also
they
do
not
have
a
like
a
90-day
re-evaluation
at
this
point
so
that
that
is
what
they're
doing
right
now
for
for
that.
But
I
also
want
to
congratulate
you
and
the
staff
for
looking
forward
to
trying
to
make
a
difference.
D
No,
I
think
definitely
the
the
the
positive
outweighs
what
could
be
the
negatives,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
the
child
is
benefiting
from
that
early
learning,
and
I
don't,
I
don't
believe,
there's
a
program
that
will
solve
any
problem
by
itself
or
be
perfect.
So
I
think
this
is
like.
Like
kevin
said.
This
is
this:
I
think
it's
a
great
program
and
I
I
support
it.
I
mean
I,
I
think
it's
going
to
allow
more
families
to
be
able
to
get
the
children
in
in
child
care
and
education.
D
G
A
lot
of
money
been
flown,
as
you
all
know,
from
this
pandemic
and
one
of
the
things
that
always
comes
with
the
programs
you
put
together,
it
seems
as
unintended
consequences.
You
try
to
learn
from
them.
You
try
to
defend
against
them
with
the
next,
the
next
round
of
things,
but
yeah.
If
we're.
If
the
goods
outweigh
and
the
bad
these
decisions
we
have
to
make.
A
Make
a
sec
who
do
I
have
a
second
okay,
all
in
favor
aye
opposed
one
question
carries.
Thank
you.
Pete
item.
Five
is
old
business
items.
Do
any
board
members
have
anything
additional
to
report.
A
G
The
only
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
at
this
time
is
the
the
upcoming
affordable
housing
advisory
committee.
So
I
think
we're
probably
gonna.
Our
next
meeting
is
probably
gonna
be
convened
as
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee.
So
we'll
have,
I
believe,
we'll
have
three
meetings
very
similar
to
what
we
did
last
year.
If
we
have
to.
G
If
we
have
to
convene
a
nehab
meeting,
we'll
just
do
it
at
the
same
time
we'll
convene
the
naha
meeting
and
and
conduct
that
business
if
it's
needed
and
then
we'll
adjourn
and
we'll
transition
right
into
the
the
a
hack
and
we'll
have
that
meeting,
but
we'll
try
to
have
the
meetings
second,
tuesday
of
the
month.
Typically
how
we
do
it.
You
know,
so
we're
all
on
the
same
schedule,
but
you
know,
as
we
get
closer
to
the
holidays,
that
gets
more
and
more
difficult.
G
People
are
on
vacation
and
schedules
get
really
tight,
so
so
we'll
just
play
it
by
ear.
You
know
there's
going
to
be
11
folks
on
the
on
the
committee,
so
it
means
six
is
a
quorum,
so
we'll
just
we'll
just
stay
really
tight
on
it
and
I'll
communicate
with
you
all.
As
best
I
can
to
make
sure
we're.
You
know,
you
know
we
can
all
make
the
meetings,
or
at
least
more
than
half
of
us
can
make
the
meetings.
So
I'm
thinking
the
next
meeting
will
be
will
be
that
okay,
okay.
C
A
C
C
I
just
I'm
sorry,
I'm
gonna
walk
on
a
rant
there.
I
apologize
long.
I
guess
after
so
many
years,
I'm
getting
to
the
point
where
it's
frustrating
the
heck
out
of
me
that
I
see
funding
after
funding
after
funding
in
program
after
program
after
program.
That's
designed
to
do
good
stuff
and
everybody
involved
wants
to
do
good
stuff,
but
the
end
result
what's
coming
out
of
the
widget
machine
on
the
back
end,
not.
C
Results:
it's
like
we're
just
a
lot
of
it
is
just
moving
it
along
moving
it
along,
but
nothing's
really
getting
done
to
solve
the
problem.
It's
like
we're
applying
a
bunch
of
little
band-aids,
here's
a
program.
We
can
do
this
program
over
here
and
this
will
help
here's
a
little
bit
here.
Here's
a
little
bit
there
but
in
the
end
result
we're
not.
C
We
don't
seem
to
be
making
the
impact
that
I
would
like
to
see
to
really
solve
some
of
these
problems.
I
I
don't
I'm
dealing
I'm
talking
about
homeless.
I
don't
want
to
warehouse
people.
I
want
to
try
to
reduce
homelessness.
To
me,
that
should
be
the
goal
and
and
if
that's
not
the
goal
and
everybody's
not
focused
on
that
goal,
then
everything
that's
being
done.
C
It's
not
really
and
that's
my
frustrations
right
now,
so
I
please.
I
applaud
everybody
on
this
board
and
chuck
and
gabe
and
everybody
who's
we're
all
working
to
try
to
get
the
same.
I
just
am
frustrated
that
we
can't
seem
to
to
get
it
to
a
point
where
we're
really
starting
to
see
some
some
progress,
that
that's
my
frustration
and
so
I'm
starting
to
take
the
position
of
saying
wait
a
second.
What
are
we
doing
here.
F
A
And
say:
hey:
this
is
not.
This
is
not
up
to
par
with
what
we
were
expecting.
I
think
we
need
to
be
a
little
bit
more
strict
when
it
comes
to
are
we
satisfied
with
the
results
and
that's
one
of
the
answers.
The
second
answer
is
to
talk
about
homelessness,
homelessness.
In
particular,
if
we
want
less
people
to
be
homeless,
we
have
to
work
on
prevention.
We
can't
just
wait
until
people
are
homeless
to
do
anything
about
it.
A
I
agree
with
you
and
so,
and
so
programs
and
just
programs
like
the
one
we
just
talked
about
you
never
know.
If
there's
a
family,
that's
can
the
parent
can
barely
go
to
work
because
they
don't
have
child
care
because
they
don't
technically
fall
under
whatever
eligibility
is
currently
there.
That
may
be
the
thing
that
saves
them.
That
may
be
the
thing
that
allows
them
to
continue
going
to
work.
C
In
these
issues,
I
disagree,
I
think
I
think
they're
equal,
I
think,
they're
absolutely
equal.
I
think
you
want
to
have
preventative
measures,
but
you
also
want
to
have
accountability
yeah
and
if
you
don't
have
the
accountability,
if
you
don't
have
the
accountability,
this
this
doesn't
mean
anything.
D
C
I
think
it's
it's
becoming
a
point
where
it's
time
to
really
start
having
the
accountability
factored
into
this
when
we
sit
when
we
meet
when
we
have
a
prevention
program
and
it's
going
to
cost
this
much
money,
okay,
fine,
how
do
we
judge
it?
How
do
we
hold
it?
And
and
what's
the
accountability
in
one
time
in
12
months?
Okay,
fine!
We
want
to
see
the
results
in
12
months
and
if
the
results
aren't
there
in
12
months,
we
want
to
eliminate
the
program
right
or
find
different
funding
for
that
program.
C
D
I
I
mean
I
I
agree
with
your
point:
there
has
to
be
more
accountability
at
the
same
time.
You
know
camille
mentioned
you
know
you
mentioned
at
the
end
of
the
year,
we'll
you
know
review
the
program,
but
what
you're
reviewing
is
it's?
Actually
if
the
parents
went
back
to
work
or
not,
but
we
don't
have
a
measure
for.
D
Is
that
kid
now
better
prepared
to
go
into
kindergarten,
and
you
will
not
be
able
to
do
that
because
a
kid
that
maybe
stayed
home
and
again
if
it
was
my
kid
that
kid
would
be
ready
to
you
know,
reading,
and
you
know
writing
already
by
the
time
he
goes
to
kindergarten,
but
we're
not
talking
about
that
situation.
So.
C
We
are
no,
no,
we
are
because
this
is
exactly
right.
Let's
take
for
a
minute,
because
what
we're
saying
here
is
that
we
want
the
child
to
have
that
that
chance.
So,
let's
assume
that
out
of
the
42
families,
84
children
were
able
to
be
taken
care
of
two
child
and
two
children
in
each
family.
We
can
judge,
I
would
think,
at
the
end
of
12
months,
42
families,
the
parents
were
able
to
work,
the
kids
were
able
to
go
to
school.
This
is
a
successful
program.
C
A
But
gabby's
question
is:
what
is
our
definition
of
took
advantage
of
it
because
is
taking
advantage
putting
a
child
in
a
better
child
care
situation,
while
the
parent
tries
to
look
for
a
job
and
does
not
get
a
job
at
the
end
or
cannot
keep
a
job
like
how
how
we're
going
to
define
what
success
is.
Is
that
is
that
what
you're,
bringing
yeah
yeah.
C
F
E
Okay,
I
think
the
overall
thing
with
working
in
these
fields
and
solving
we
all-
have
passion
for
what
we're
doing.
Affordable
housing
homelessness.
All
of
these
things
and
the
problem
is
like
the
band-aid
programs-
are
things
like
that.
It
probably
always
is
going
to
be
a
band-aid.
You
know,
unfortunately,
us
sitting
here
and
us
doing
this,
and
every
program
that
we
put
forward
is
not
going
to
solve
homelessness.
E
It's
not
going
to
solve
affordable
housing.
I
mean
even
the
person
that
came
here:
transportation,
affordable
housing.
It
sounds
like
an
expert
in
that
field.
There's
no
there's
not
a
solution,
so
there
is
little
solutions
that
we
can
do
to
help
ease
it.
We're
taking
some
of
that
pressure
off
we're
helping
some
there's,
there's,
not
a
solution,
there's
not
a
there's,
not
a
magical
band-aid
that
can
make
it
better
yeah.
I
know
that
it's
frustrating
it's.
C
F
C
C
E
E
Do
you
get
the
bad
mixed
in
with
the
good,
but
when
you
see
the
good
and
you
see
the
impact
that
that
good
has
done,
it
makes
you
re-evaluate
what
you're
doing
your
time,
your
effort,
the
programs,
everything
because,
yes,
you
can
have
one
situation
that
it
really
burns
you
and
you
feel
like
it.
You
know,
makes
you
look
at
the
whole
program
and
go
it's
not
a
success,
but
let's
go
out.
E
G
Is
usually
really
light,
weather's
a
little
bit
better?
G
One
thing
I
do
want
to
say
on
on
this
is
a
great
discussion.
This
is
this
is
dialogue
that
wouldn't
have
happened
at
this
board.
When,
when
I
first
started
working
in
this
position,
it's
the
board
has
become
much
more
engaged,
much
more
focused
on
on
really
what
you
need
to
focus
on.
It's
terrific.
I
really
appreciate
the
dialogue,
but
you
know
with
this
one
thing
I
just
want
to
say
and
denise
texted
me,
because
she
and
I
have
learned
a
lot
about
the
child
care
industry.
G
In
these
discussions
we've
had
and-
and
she
makes
a
great
great
point-
that
early
learning
is
the
greatest
predictor
of
long-term
success
of
a
child.
So
there's
a
benefit
in
here,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
someone's
you
know
for
lack
of
a
better
term
taking
advantage,
there's
still
a
benefit
to
that
child,
you
know
and
in
it,
and
we
will
verify
that
it
is
a
low-income
family.
But
again
I
really
appreciate
the
discussion
I
think
is
terrific.
D
D
We
see
it
15
years
later,
when
we
see
that
same
family-
and
we
have
those
success
stories
that
we
see
that
mom
and
dad
or
that
mom
was
able
to
send
the
kids
to
college.
She
was
able
to
obtain
a
dedicated
and
education,
because
now
she
has
an
affordable
house
to
live,
so
the
kids
were
able
to
create
a
sense
of
community.
You
know
they
stay
in
their
own.
You
know
their
school,
you
know
they
make
friends,
you
know
so
so
they
progress
in
life
because
of
that
one
opportunity.
D
Just
having
an
affordable
home,
so
it's
really
hard
for
us
to
say
we
know.
Well,
you
know
I
I'm
gonna
measure
my
success
based
on
the
amount
of
houses
that
we
build
this
year,
so
it's
80
80
homes
right.
So
it's
hard
because
we
really
impact
so
much
more.
You
know
we
impact
that
neighborhood.
You
know
once
we
have
a
family,
not
only
the
the
community,
it's
impacted
because
that
family
is
now
paying
taxes.
You
know,
but
you
know
they
own
that
home,
so
they
you
hope
that
they
actually
are
taking
care
of
that
home.
D
But
you
know
if
they
have
two
or
three
kids
or
or
not
I
mean
that
family
is
definitely
benefiting
and
growing.
So,
yes,
you
will
have
those
people
that
take
advantage
of
it.
You
know
we
have
a
set
of
rules
and
you
know
we
check.
You
know
yeah,
you
can
get
into
the
program
or
not.
You
will
have
those
people
that
abuse
the
program
like
in
any
program.
I
mean
you're
talking
about
a
kitchen
right,
I
mean
free
food.
You
know
I
can
walk
in
nobody's.
Probably
gonna.
D
Ask
me
if
I
have
an
income
to
pay
for
my
food
or
not,
but
you
would
hope
that
you
know
at
least
those
the
majority
of
the
people
that
are
taking
advantage
of
that
program
are
really
benefiting
from.
You
know:
they're
not
going
home.
You
know
hungry
that
night,
you
know,
so
it's
really
hard
for
us
to
determine
you
know
in
a
short
period
of
time.
You
know
that
was
that
program
successful,
so
we
can
put
measures.
D
You
know,
like
you
said
you
know
to
have
certain
accountability,
but
we
cannot
get
to
the
point
that
it
becomes
impossible
for
that
family
to
apply
for
that
program.
Because
again
you
know,
do
they
have
access
to
the
internet
and
and
go
and
look
for
a
job
they
may
have
to
go
to
the
public
library.
So
it's
there's
so
many
things
that
you
say.
D
Well,
you
know
we
have
so
many
programs
and
and
you're
right
and
that's
why
this
country
is
such
a
great
country,
because
we
have
those
programs
that
allow
for
the
people
to
access,
maybe
better
their
lives.
You
know
you
know,
we
have
many
other
countries
that
that's
not
even
possible.
So
if
you're
born
you
know
and
your
family
has
access
to
finances,
then
you
can
succeed
in
life,
otherwise
you're
determined
to
be
who
you
are
and
not,
and
you
don't
have
any
opportunity.
So
that's
what
this
country
is
different
from
from
many
others.
D
You
know
we
have
those
opportunities
and
you
know-
and
yes,
we
can
create.
You
know
a
little
bit
more
of
you
know
accountability,
but
we
cannot
make
it
impossible.
So.
C
I
I
don't
want
to
see
it
made
impossible.
I
agree
with
everything
you
just
said,
but
you
know
what
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
program
works
when,
when
people
get
a
house
with
your
program,
is
that
they
have
some
skin
in
the
game,
don't
they
yeah
yeah
they
do
and
and
that
you
know,
I'm
not
gonna
go
way
off
here,
but
and
that
comes
back
to
scripture.
The
very
first
poverty
program
that
was
designed
was
designed.
When
moses
told
you
don't
do
not
harvest
all
your
field
leave
the
corners
of
your
field.
C
This
is
what
god
said
to
him:
leave
the
corners
of
your
field,
so
that
the
poor
could
help
themselves
the
poor,
the
widows,
the
orphans
they
could
go
into
this
field
and
they
can
get
grain.
They
could
take
that
that
was
theirs.
That
was
left
for
them,
which
meant
they
had
a
little
a
little
skin
in
the
game.
They
had
to
go,
get
it
a
little
bit.
C
It's
not
the
occasional
scammer,
look
at
the
programs
and
look
at
the
dollars
there's
more
than
an
occasional
scammer.
That's
why
I'm
saying
can't
we
start
looking
at
this
a
little
bit
closer.
Can't
we
start
making
this
accountability
be
a
little
bit
more,
don't
don't
make
it
difficult
to
get
in
the
program
make
it
easy
to
get
in
the
program.
I
want
to
help
as
many
people
as
we
can,
but
once
you're
in
the
program
now
you've
got
a
little
skin
in
the
game.
Now
you've
got
to
work
a
little
bit.
C
You
got
to
contribute
and
if
you're
contributing
god
bless
you
we
want
you
to
take
the
next
level.
We
want
to
give
you
even
more
to
help
you
out
because
you're
right
these,
these
programs
can't
be
measured
in
a
day
or
a
year
if
you
can
get
a
child
into
into
daycare
and
if
he
can
get
an
education
and
if
he
completes
the
education,
because,
let's
let's
take
this
one
more
step,
what's
the
dropout
rate
in
public
schools
in
florida
right
now
does
anybody
know
the
high
school
dropout
rate
is
something
around
40
percent.
D
C
So
if
the
very
first
thing
you
give
somebody
for
free
is
a
public
education
and
they
don't
take
advantage
of
that,
and
we
all
agree
from
what
denise
said,
and
we
all
know
this,
because
we
see
the
people
that
are
that
are
most
require
most
need.
Don't
don't
have
that
education
that
they
should
have
gotten.
But
if
you
drop
out
of
high
school
boy
you're
just
on
a
downward
trend,
then
aren't
you.
C
Maybe
at
that
point
we
should
say
wait
a
second
you.
We
just
gave
you
something
to
help
you
which
everybody
gets
every
taxpayer.
Everybody
in
america
gets
a
free
public
education.
If
you
can't
take
advantage
of
that,
this
is
looking
out
15
years.
Maybe
you
can't
be
on
other
programs,
then
I
don't
know,
I'm
not
I'm
just
saying
that
at
some
point
we
have
to
have
this
hard
conversation.
That
says,
when
does
it
end?
C
A
At
our
level,
with
the
nahab
and
even
the
a
hack
when,
when
when
that
group
meets
we're,
we're
working
mainly
with
other
entities
than
the
city
right,
the
city
is
the
entity
that
receives
the
funds
from
the
state
and
the
federal
government,
and
then
we
are,
through
this
board,
able
to
distribute
these
funds
or
help
distribute
these
funds
to
organizations
that
have
accountability.
I
mean
they
are
signed,
I'm
going
to
use
the
word
signing,
but
they're
signing
those
contracts
and
saying
this
is
how
we're
going
to
use
these
funds.
A
We're
using,
I
mean,
there's
an
accountability
system
in
place
there.
It's
it's
our
decision.
If
we
wanted
to
change
that,
we
could
look
at
every
time.
They
come
in
front
of
us
and
they
say
this
is
how
much
we're
asking
for
this
is
what
we're
going
to
use
it
for
we
could
look
and
introduce
and
say
what
about
this
and
this,
and
that
can
we
add
this
measurable?
A
Can
we
add
you
know
this
qualifiable
whatever
it
may
be,
that
we're
that
we
think
would
be
a
better
way
to
measure
it,
but
I
think
the
accountability
is
already
there.
I
think
the
accountability
the
problem
is
like
lindsay
said.
A
It's
it's
little
pieces
of
the
puzzle
that
that
keep
making
it
better
and
I
think,
as
long
as
we
decide
at
the
board
level,
to
continue
asking
for
all
of
our
partners
to
be
accountable
to.
You
know
the
dollars
that
they're
given
and
the
and
the
the
promises
that
they
make.
If
you
will
we're
doing
that,
we're
doing
that
part
we're
making
that
effort.
C
And
I'm
not
disagreeing
with
camille,
I
guess
everything
that
I
just
said
should
be
taken
in
the
abstract.
I
I'm
not
trying
to
speak
specifically
about
the
people
that
are
on
this
committee
and
and
the
people
we
see
I'm
talking
about
in
general
it
that's
I'm
saying
I
would
like
somewhere
to
see
the
conversation
start
to
shift
to
to
start
looking
at
the
pro
you've
got
to
think
the
paradigm
has
to
shift
a
little
bit.
You
just
can't.
What's
the
definition
of
insanity,
you
just
keep
doing
the
same
thing
over
to
expect
different
results.
C
G
So
my
staff
typically
watched
these
meetings
told
the
graduation
rate
is
90.1
percent.
Oh,
that
I
don't
know
what
sort
of
depends
on
how
you
look
at
it.
B
E
Running
used
to
be
on
chuck's
side
and
running
these
programs
and
accountability,
and
things
like
that,
the
there
is
accountability
for
these
programs.
I
want
to
say
the
amount
of
paperwork,
the
overseeing
the
things
that
we
have
to
turn
in.
E
There's,
accountability,
there's
documentation
and
things
like
that.
Yes,
I
feel
a
few
can
get
through.
I
I
kind
of
feel
in
just
hearing
you,
I
think
we're
abstract
or
anything,
but
we're.
I
think
it's
a
little
focused
on
the
negative
of
some
that
have
taken
advantage.
I
don't
think
the
majority
has.
E
E
Yes,
the
long-term
successes,
yes,
are
hard
to
predict,
but
even
when
you
go
down
to
the
cdbg
ship
or
any
of
the
funding,
if
you
look
at
the
dollar
spent
on
some
of
the
programs,
a
down
payment
assistance
program,
it's
not
just
touching
that
one
person,
it's
not
just
touching
the
person
that
gets
the
loan
for
the
down
payment
assistance.
E
There
are
so
many
hands
and
not
and
boosts
you.
Our
economy
moves
to
neighborhoods,
because
that
that
that
one
single
case
affects
so,
I
think,
accountability
in
in
it's
there.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
accountability.
There's
a
lot
of
paperwork.
I
know
your
staff
has
to
go
through
because
I
used
to
do
it.
A
lot
of
monitoring
it's
stressful
every
case
file
is
ridiculous.
With
the
amount
of
paperwork
maybe
follow
up
and
follow
through
has
left
in
the
past
once
we've
gotten
that
case
through.
I
I
think
it's
there.
E
I
I
I'm
not
seeing
it
not
be
there,
I'm
not
seeing
the
pinellas
county
early
coalition
learning
coalition,
I'm
sure
they
have
a
lot
of
paperwork,
and
now
that
they're
getting
cdvg
funds,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
that
they
have
to
do
in
order
to
have
these
cases
come
through.
So
that's
just
where
I
stand
with
it.
I
think
focusing
a
little
bit
back
to.
We
can't
fix
it
all.
It's
frustrating!
E
B
D
So
maybe
yeah
in
those
eligibility
steps
so
say
you
know
I'm
going
to
apply
for
a
habit
at
home.
You
know,
do
you
all
know
what
the
families
have
to
go
through?
You
know,
so
maybe
that's
that
serves
as
an
education
like
for
all.
The
programs
like
like
kevin,
said
that
we
support
in
the
city.
You
know.
Maybe
we
will
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
that,
and
maybe
we
can.
We
can
always
make
a
comment
about
it.
D
You
know
like
what,
if
you
know
you
add,
you
know
this
other
step
or
you
know
I.
I
think
that
would
be
beneficial
because
we
will
be
better
at
at
least
I
will
be
better
educated
about
what
the
other
programs
do
and
how
they
do
it.
You
know
like
they
come
and
you
know
I'm
gonna
go
and
ask
for
child
care,
and
I
just
have
to
sign
my
name
and
you
know,
and
I
get
the
free
voucher
or
is
it
more
you
know,
so
I
think
that's
that
would
be
and.
B
G
It
seems
every
year
where
you
know
our
applications
for
funding,
we're
always
tweaking
them.
You
know
we're
always
trying
to
improve
them
from
the
year
before
you
know.
Maybe
that's
something
I
need
to
bring
to
the
board
and
get
you
get
your
feedback
on
it
just
bring
up.
You
know
a
sample
application.
You
know
we
have
several
of
them
because
there's
several
programs,
but
for
you
to
see
that
and
provide
feedback
on
that.
That's
probably
a
good
exercise
for
the
beginning
of
the
year,
those
applications.
G
D
C
B
Only
thing
I
would
say
is
is
is
let's
be
aware
of
the
of
the
tone
and
the
language
we
use
that
this
is
a
public
meeting
saying
people
are
scamming
the
system.
We
may
say
that
privately,
but
that's
not
always
the
best
term.
For
that
we
could
use
in
a
public
meeting
that
we
can
get
the
same
mindset
across
to
each
other
without
making
it
sound
to
somebody
who's
watching.
The
meeting
feel
like
we're
downplaying
them.