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A
We
asked
when
we
started
the
committee.
We
asked
John
Redman
our
city
auditor,
to
participate
with
us
to
keep
us
in
line
and
keep
us
also
educated
on
different
routes.
You
can
take
as
far
as
numbers
and
he
wooed
to
be
invaluable.
The
first
meeting
we
pulled
together,
we
invited
drail
short
to
come
in
and
present
and
talk
about
the
fleet
management,
so
this
good
understanding
of
that
operation
and
how
it
intertwines,
with
all
the
departments
that
have
the
use
of
beach
city
vehicles.
A
We
met
with
each
city
agency
and
department
head
who,
who
had
the
use
of
city
vehicles,
and/or
a
car
allowance
to
gather
information
on
how
they
use
the
vehicles
and
to
what
extent
the
focus
of
the
committee
was
to
develop
a
policy
which
best
serves
the
city
regarding
our
budget
in
our
financial
situation,
the
policy
will
be
reviewed
at
least
annually
by
the
committee
or
at
any
period.
Anyone
has
a
question
or
a
concern
about
the
process.
The
directions
going
or
want
to
have
a
discussion
about
possible
changes.
A
We
will
be
glad
to
meet
at
any
time.
What
I'd
like
to
do
now
is
just
walk
through
the
11
items
that
you
have
in
front
of
you
and
basically
summarize
items.
1
&
2
create
a
new
policy
to
allow
Public,
Safety
and
certain
governmental
employees
to
drive
the
ACD
vehicle
to
their
residence,
not
only
in
Muskogee
but
Harris
Talbot
and
Chattahoochee
counties.
This.
If
you
recall
this
was
probably
the
initial.
What
got
us
to
this
point
of
callin
for
a
committee
was
several
requests
came
to
council
to
discuss
this
item.
A
3
prohibits
the
driving
of
city
vehicles
to
a
residence
across
the
Alabama
border.
Alabama
does
not
recognize
our
sovereign
immunity
and
we
will
talk
more
about
this
in
just
a
minute
items.
4
&
5
clarify
the
conditions
under
which
a
public
safety
vehicle
may
cross
the
Alabama
border
and
that
basically
involves
in
the
protective
pursuit
of
Public
Safety
item
6
&
7
clarifies
it
is
the
responsibility
of
the
employee
for
the
maintenance
and
pre
operational
checklist
of
the
assigned
vehicle,
along
with
it
talks
about
disciplinary
action.
A
If
there
is
neglect
item
8
allows
the
flexibility
in
the
policy
to
address
any
changes
for
an
employee
if
they
are
required
to
travel
in
the
normal
course
of
their
job.
That
opens
the
door
for
an
employee
or
supervisor
to
bring
to
our
attention
the
need
to
have
a
car
for
this
particular
employee
and
their
daily
operation
or
some
type
of
allowance.
It
allows
that
discussion.
A
Item
9
gives
direction
that
all
written
notifications
regarding
this
policy
will
be
sent
to
the
city
manager
and
item
10
clarifies
when
an
employee
shall
participate
in
the
required
training
courses
of
the
city
as
needed.
Item
11
clarifies
the
approval
process
for
those
employees
who
are
on
duty
for
a
specific
period
of
time.
It
allows
the
option
of
a
car
allowance
or
payment
of
mileage
and
describes
the
approval
process
in
going
back
to
item
3
the
Alabama
border
issue,
we
met
with
the
mayor
and
the
city
attorney
regarding
our
sovereign
immunity
issue.
A
The
mayor
has
had
discussions
with
Attorney
General
Chris
Carr,
and
we've
also
had
conversations
with
the
city
attorney
on
how
best
to
address
this
in
our
policy.
And
that's
why
you
see?
According
to
the
legal
legal
community,
we
need
to
prohibit
cars
from
going
across.
Alabama
just
opens
up
litigation,
and
we
do
not
want
to
go
down
that
road.
A
The
I
guess
the
goal
in
in
this
outreach
to
the
Attorney
General
is
to
allow
us
to
have
the
ability
to
work
with
our
neighboring
communities,
both
in
Alabama
and
Colombia
and
Georgia.
If
there's
a
situation
such
as
Beauregard,
for
example,
we
had
we
have
the
technology
to
go,
find
folks
who
have
been
caught
in
a
crumbled
house
or
under
debris.
We
could
not
send
that
technology
over
there
and
help
them
because
of
the
sovereign
immunity
laws.
A
So
we
are
asking
the
Attorney
General
to
look
at
this
and
not
just
for
Columbus
but
for
all
border
communities
with
Alabama.
So
we
suggest
that
council
consider
and
I
have
asked
the
city
attorney
to
address
the
committee's
ask
the
city
attorney
to
a
draft,
a
resolution
to
accompany
the
mayor's
letter
to
the
Attorney
General,
to
put
this
in
front
of
him
as
a
request
from
Columbus.
A
So
we
will
bring
that
up
in
just
a
little
while
the
next
item
we
wanted
to
talk
to
you
about
is
items
1,
&
2,
in
opening
this
up
to
allow
vehicles
to
be
taken
to
the
adjacent
counties
when
they
drive
home.
Our
our
budget
analysis
and
cost
of
that
we
feel
like
it
would
be
somewhere
in
the
fifty
to
sixty
thousand
dollar
range
I'm
gonna
ask
counselor
house
if
he
would
give
you
more
specifics
on
that
at
this
time.
A
B
Councillor
house
Thank,
You,
mayor
and
council
Alan.
We
thank
the
city
manager
in
the
finance
department
for
the
analysis
that
they
did,
which
which
used
the
standard,
Gao
or
IRS
mileage
rate
I
mean
that
number
came
up
with
about
$200,000
as
far
as
what
it
would
cost
us
in
the
budget.
We
felt
the
gas
alone
was
probably
a
better
way
to
look
at
it,
because
that
GAO
number
includes
maintenance
costs,
as
well
as
a
different
gas
cost
that
the
city
faces,
and
so
we
took
a
look
at
using
the
chart
that
was
compiled.
B
The
the
highest
average
miles
per
day
was
22
miles
per
day.
If
you
divide
that
by
15
miles
per
gallon,
then
each
car
uses
about
one
and
a
half
gallon
four
gallons
per
day.
If
it's
driven
outside
the
county,
where
I
use
the
cost
of
$2
per
gallon
for
the
price
of
gas,
even
though
the
day
that
I
did
the
analysis,
Columbus
was
paying
a
dollar
and
79
cents
per
gallon.
B
But
if
you
multiply
that
1.5
gallons
times
$2,
because
that's
$3
per
day
per
car,
it's
going
to
cost
I
was
not
sure
of
the
number
of
days
that
we
should
use
for
for
law
enforcement
officers.
Public
Safety,
so
I
decided
to
use
the
marshal
ship
because
I
work
Monday
to
Friday
and
so
assuming
two
weeks
of
vacation,
no
signal
holidays.
That
means
an
officer
works
about
50
weeks
in
a
year
or
250.
B
Workdays
I
think
this
is
probably
overestimating
the
number
of
days
that
they
work,
but
still
using
n,
so
250
days
times,
3
dollars
per
day
times
the
66
cars
that
would
be
going
outside.
They
came
up
with
49,500.
Still,
you
know,
there's
probably
we
won't
know
for
sure.
Until
we
actually,
you
know,
have
people
drive
but
we're
estimating
around
$50,000
it's
what
we
think
it
would
be.
The
budgetary
impact
on
allowing
the
cars
to
go
into
the
additional
counties
in
Georgia.
A
Mayor
excuse
me
mayor
if
I
could
just
give
me
about
another
two
minutes
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
for
questions
and
discussions,
as
I
mentioned
in
earlier
comments,
we
we
saw
that
the
environments
change
so
we
we
asked
IT
to
come
in
and
talk
to
us
about
any
technologies
that
may
help
us
in
getting
a
handle
on
take-home
cars
of
car
allowances,
mileage
driven
in
the
daily
function
of
the
employees,
and
we
they
called
in
one
of
our
vendors,
Verizon
and
Verizon.
Has
a
system
called
Verizon
connect
and
basically
it
is
a
device.
A
They
have
a
device
that
you
hook
hook
into
the
city
car
and
it
tracks
just
about
everything
that
you
need
on
that
car
it
it
has
a
maintenance
schedule.
It
sends
an
email
to
the
employee
or
the
supervisor
to
remind
them
when
the
car
needs
change.
Since,
to
both
you
can
set
it
up
any
way.
You
want
to
department
head
supervisor
that
kind
of
thing
there's
pretty
much
unlimited
use
in
that
realm,
but
it
also
tracks
routes
that
they
drive
the
speed.
A
If
the
car
is
in
an
accident,
it
sends
a
notice
to
get
the
emergency
vehicles
there
on
the
scene.
It
also
if
they
run
into
a
problem.
It
alerts
for
roadside
assistance
and
also
it
tracks
the
mileage,
the
it's
unlimited
users.
So
you
can
cancel
at
any
time
as
a
lifetime
warranty
on
the
only
hardware
they
put
in
the
put
in
the
in
the
cars
and
trucks,
and
it
also
interfaces
interfaces
with
our
GIS
system.
A
So
it's
it's
a
seamless
operation.
The
cost
of
that
is
to
buy
the
harness,
which
is
a
small
device
that
goes
into
the
into
the
installed
into
the
car,
can
be
installed
by
our
staff.
Drill
quickly
told
us
that
we
have
the
capability
of
doing
that
ourselves,
so
we'll
save
any
of
that.
All
that
cost
the
harness
itself
is
$30
and
then
there's
a
$19
a
month
fee
associated
with
the
tracking
and
the
connect
of
each
of
those
in
the
in
the
cars
and
vehicles.
A
I,
don't
want
to
speak
for
drill,
but
some
of
her
comments
were
that
she
was
very
impressed
with
this
system
and
thought
that
it
would
enhance
our
ability
to
extend
the
life
of
the
vehicles
that
we
have
currently
and
she
thought
it
would.
The
the
initial
fee
of
the
harness
and
the
monthly
fee
is
would
certainly
save
the
city
money
over
the
over
the
years.
A
We
proposed
that
tracking
the
mileage
for
several
months
and
then
those
reports
being
sent
to
the
city
auditor
for
reporting
back
to
the
committee
and
us
to
deliver
to
you.
The
harnesses
can
be
installed
like
I,
said
bars,
shot
and
the
those
employees
who
have
a
car
allowance.
The
IT
department
introduced
us
to
a
couple
of
applications
that
can
be
downloaded
on
their
city
cell
phones.
That
would
also
basically
track
their
mileage.
It's
a
very
simple
application
to
utilize.
We
could.
A
We
could
perform
this
over
several
months
so
that
we
can
have
data
that
provides
the
council
with
the
numbers
that
would
show
where,
where
they're
driving
and
how
much
they're
utilized-
and
we
even
thought
about
developing
a
car
allowance
range.
If
you
drive
certain
miles
in
a
year
and
your
car
allowance
is
X,
if
you
drive
more
than
that,
then
it
goes
up
a
little
bit
and
if
you
drive
over
a
certain
amount
and
that
can
be
set
by
Council,
we
talked
about
a
range
there.
So
we
did
a
survey.
A
We
asked
the
city
auditor
to
survey
some
similar
sized
cities
on
car
allowances
and
it
just
just
to
kind
of
walk
through
real,
quick
Chatham
County.
Their
car
allowance
is
253
and
$50
and
they
pay
58
cents
per
mile
on
personal
personal
use.
Augusta
Richmond
is
$600
to
the
city
manager
and
then
they
only
pay
40
cents
a
mile
for
for
their
personal
use.
They
are
phasing
out
take-home
vehicles,
no
take
home
vehicles
allowed
out
of
the
county
and
no
mileage
for
out-of-town
trips.
A
Athens-Clarke
is
500
to
executives
and
some
department
heads
they
pay
58
cents,
Albany
Georgia
$250
to
$750,
which
is
paid
to
the
city
manager,
deputy
city
manager,
city
attorney
and
some
department
heads
and
they
also
utilize.
The
58
cent
mileage
reimbursement.
Savannah
pays
from
400
to
500
dollars
to
city
executives
and
some
department
heads
and
again
they
several
options.
Several
ways
we
can
go
in
this.
A
We
could
choose
to
do
now,
I
think
leave
it
as
it
is,
or
we
could
track
the
mileage
for
a
year
or
several
months
and
can't
try
to
get
a
handle
on
who's
driving,
how
far
they're
driving
and
what
the
car
is
being
used
for
and
mayor
I'd
like
to
open
it
up
to
questions
and
the
discussion
at
this
time.
Okay,.
D
E
E
They
provided
me
with
an
estimated
cost
of
approximately
two
thousand
nine
hundred
dollars
per
vehicle
per
year
for
additional
fuel
and
maintenance
cost.
We
can't
just
consider
fuel
we've
got
to
consider
maintenance,
because
maintenance
will
increase
as
you,
your
mouths
go
up
and
it's
going
to
have
wear
and
tear
and
depreciation
on
the
car
you're
not
going
to
get
the
same
number
of
years.
E
If
you
add
this
additional
knowledge,
and
so
what
the
budget
office
prepared
and
shared
with
me
is
that
this
could
add
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
to
the
city's
annual
budget
and
they
did
an
immediate
projection
based
on
the
current
forty-one
public
safety
personnel
driving
vehicles
out
of
county.
Their
immediate
projection
is
two
hundred
and
three
thousand
two
hundred
and
fifty
four
dollars
and
twenty
seven
cents
and
I
did
provide
a
chart
and
when
they
looked
at
this
immediate
projections,
other
things
that
has
to
be
considered
or
was
not
clear
is
not
clear.
E
Is
that
if
officers
are
allowed
to
use
the
vehicles
for
part-time
employment
and
they
are,
will
they
be
able
to
drive
the
to
part-time
employment?
You
know
the
counties
and,
and
then
the
example
would
be.
For
example,
I
know
a
deputy
sheriff
I
saw
the
sheriff
here
and
I
know.
One
person
lives
in
comfort
down
in
Chattahoochee
County,
and
so
the
question
that's
unclear
is
if
they
live
in
Chattahoochee
County,
where
the
typically
drive
their
vehicle
home.
E
Will
that
person
they'll
course
bill
out
obviously
to
drive
the
vehicle
home
on
their
off
day
on,
but
when
they
all
vacation,
they
drive
the
vehicle
back
to
Columbus
to
do
their
part-time
work
at
the
movie
theater
and
so
obviously
there's
additional
fuel
cost
that
hasn't
been
considered.
If
you
are
considering
the
marshal's
office
as
a
model
Monday
through
Friday,
the
question
is:
will
that
person
be
able
to
drive
to
say
well,
I've
got
a
vehicle
now
I
can
do
Harris
and
Tarbert
and
Chattahoochee
County.
E
Will
they
now
be
able
to
drive
to
take
a
job
in
table
10
County
Talbot
County?
Can
they
drive
from
Chattahoochee
County
over
the
table,
County
to
their
part-time
employment
or
from
Chattahoochee
canada,
Harris
County,
because
now
I've
got
the
vehicle
and
there's
no
gas
issue?
For
me,
that's
not
calculated
in
this,
and
the
question
is:
can
an
officer
now
in
Columbus
now
drive
and
take
a
part-time
job
in
Chattahoochee
County
table
accountant
or
Harris
County,
because
I
can
drive
my
public
safety
vehicle
to
Chattahoochee
County
table
County
or
Harris
County
for
my
part-time
employment?
E
E
E
Will
some
officers
public
safety
folks
say
well,
there's
a
value
to
that
that
I
don't
receive
and
I
live
in
Muscovy
County,
there's
a
vague
and
give
me
something
equivalent
to
that
value
things
honestly,
don't
pop
up
until
they
get
going
good
and
then
you
see
something
else
that
you
didn't
see
coming,
and
so
that
would
be
a
concern
and
and
and
and
I.
The
concern
with
me
is
that
are
we
providing
an
incentive
for
officers
to
move
out
of
County
rather
than
provide
an
incentive
for
officers
to
move
into
the
county?
E
I
mean
if
that's
it
we
may
be,
it
may
be
an
unintended
consequence,
we're
incentivizing
them.
Now
you
can
move
the
Chattahoochee
and
Talbot
and
Harris
you
don't
have
to
live
in
Muscatine
County,
and
so
they
all
migrate
to
the
server
or
they
can
get
more
for
their
money.
And-
and
so
we
have
41
officers
today,
that
will
receive
this
incentive
and
I
just
don't
know,
and
we
need
to
think
about.
How
is
it
going
to
grow
and
how
fast
is
it
going
to
grow?
In
ten
years
we
may
have
a
hundred
officers.
E
And
so
you
know
that's
a
concern
and
then
so
you
know
what
has
been
provided
by
the
staff
they
the
way
they
calculated
it
cause.
If
you
live
in
the
41,
they
know
exactly
where
they
live
and
then
went
to
the
Fire
EMS
station,
that's
closest
to
traveling
to
that
County
and
they
calculated
the
mouths
from
the
fire
station
to
their
home
and
back,
and
they
did
it
for
the
number
of
work
days
and
they
came
up
with
a
number
and
things
that
we
don't
think
about.
E
That
I
want
to
make
sure
we
think
about
is
the
original
intent.
The
original
intent
for
the
Public
Safety
take-home
car
program
was
to
ensure
or
increase
citizen
taxpayer
benefit.
I
was
here
when
they
wanted
to
increase
the
police
presence
in
neighborhoods
and
around
apartment
complexes
to
make
people
feel
safe
in
and
make
them
safer,
and
so,
if
all
of
these
vehicles,
you
know
start
to
migrate
out
of
the
county,
you
have
to
ask
the
question:
are
we
diminishing
the
citizen?
Taxpayer
benefit
the
original
intent,
and
so
that
is
a
question
in
my
mind.
E
You
know
about
police
visibility
being
diminished
because
we
have
fewer
vehicles
in
the
county
and
blowout
in
the
county.
Now
in
the
county,
they're
gonna
feel
so
I
had
a
police
officer
next
dealt
with
the
car
is
sitting
out
there
and
and
and
from
a
fire
young
men
standpoint
I
even
thought
about
that.
I've
heard
the
chief
talk
about
when
they
go
on
a
fire
call,
they
leave
the
station.
E
You
know
it's
open
that
there's,
no
one
there
and
they've
had
people
actually
go
into
the
station
and
take
their
personal
belongings
because
they
know
everything's
running
hot
fire.
Trucks
gone,
emmalin's
gone
and
they
go
in
and
basically
robbed
the
station,
and
so
the
the
public
takes
a
vehicle
when
they
parked
them
at
the
station.
As
a
deterrent
says
to
them,
there's
two
police
cars
over
there
don't
go
over
there.
Those
the
fire
truck
is
gone
and
so
I
wanted
to
share
those
thoughts
and
concerns,
and
you
know
we
ought
to
do
whatever
it
is.
E
We're
trying
to
do,
but
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
things.
Perhaps
we've
not
thought
about
and
and
then,
when
it
comes
to
number
11
I
think
any.
You
know
we
offer
people
department
here
as
many
of
them
a
car
allowance
as
part
of
their
recruitment,
employment,
packet
and
and
I-
don't
disagree
with
what
has
been
what
appears
you're
trying
to
do,
but
I
think
it
should
probably
be
on
a
going-forward
forward
basis.
E
Yeah,
you
know
the
morale
of
department
here,
it's
just
not
where
I
would
like
it
to
be
when
it
comes
to
pay.
When
they
look
across
Phoenix
City
I
saw
this
morning
in
Phoenix,
it's
gonna
give
a
2%
raise
October
first
and
then
they
gonna
get
1%
April.
First
there,
the
fire,
the
fire
chief
over
there,
makes
more
than
a
fire
chief.
E
Where
they've
got
a
thirty
million
dollar
budget.
We've
got
285
million
out
of
budget;
we've
got
two
hundred
thousand
people,
they
got.
Thirty
thousand
the
city
manager
makes
more
than
the
city
manager
over
here
and
gets
car
loans,
and
all
that
the
engineering
director
makes
twenty
thirty
thousand
dollars
more
than
our
engineering
director.
And
so,
when
you
look
at
Savannah,
the
Savannah
city
manager
makes
two
hundred
thirty
eight
thousand
dollars.
Pay
me
two
hundred
thirty,
eight
now
now
that'll
take
a
two
hundred.
E
Fifty
dollar
car
allowance
or
$500,
the
city
manager
and
Augusta
makes
over
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year.
You
know
and
all
being
a
the
city
manager
makes
move
within,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
yeah.
So
when
it
comes
to
the
department
he
is
in,
the
car
allowance
is
or
was
basically
for
it,
the
inner
city,
a
trail
with
a
local
travel,
a
28
cents,
a
mile.
The
reduced
IRS
rate
is
for
when
you
go
beyond
50
miles,
and
so
when
I
ask
staff.
E
Well,
how
much
did
we
pay
in
the
28
cents,
a
mile
outside
of
50
miles
and
in
fiscal
year
16
units
973
dollars
in
fiscal
year?
17?
It's
two
thousand
fifty
six
dollars
and
two
thousand
eight,
fifty
or
eighteen,
it's
two
thousand
nine
hundred
dollars
and
in
fiscal
year
nineteen
is
$3,600
so
for
underpaid
department.
He
hits
and
the
car
allowance
being
a
part
of
their
salary
packet.
E
We
I
just
don't
know
if
the
juice
is
worth
the
squeeze
on
a
going-forward
basis.
It's
an
understanding
coming
in
but
to
go
and
take
away
something
that
employees
have
been
accustomed
to.
I
can
tell
you
from
personal
experience.
It
is
going
to
cost
them
to
travel.
If
you
take
the
28
cents,
a
mile
away.
I
know
because
I've
been
on
both
sides
with
a
car
and
with
the
28
cents
a
mile.
E
E
Five
hours
fact
I
can
drive
up,
didn't
come
back
the
same
day,
but
if
it's
going
to
cost
me
to
do
the
taxpayers
business
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
Columbus
Airport
and
I'm
gonna
fly
to
Nashville
and
I'm,
going
to
get
a
taxi
to
the
hotel
and
back
to
the
airport
and
fly
back
to
Columbus.
So
it
won't
cost
me
to
do
tax
payer
business
and
so
I
just
caution
moving
too
swiftly
on.
E
Thus,
without
considering
the
commitment
made
to
the
Portman
hits
when
they
were
hired
and
taken
the
$3,600
away
from
all
Department,
he
has
come
back
in
my
mind.
The
juice
is
not
worth
the
squeeze
to
damage
the
morale
of
your
underpaid
department.
He
is,
and
for
public
safety.
I
know
you,
you
you're
willing
to
a
at
that
expense,
but
consider
the
unintended
consequences
and
consider
the
position
it's
going
to
leave
future
elected
officials,
the
mayor
and
city
council.
E
A
I,
just
just
real
quickly.
We
we
appreciate
the,
as
I
said
we
met
with
the
city
manager
twice
and
the
mayor
twice
on
this
and
talk
through
the
issues.
We
appreciate
the
city
manager's
comments
and
we
called
a
special
meeting
to
discuss
the
the
comments
that
he
provided
and
we
did
take
action
made
some
changes
and
some
of
the
to
some
of
them,
the
the
numbers
as
John
Council
House,
called
out
earlier,
the
the
numbers
that
were
crunched
by
the
by
the
staff
utilized
52
weeks
of
working
a
year.
A
We
know
no
employee
works
52
weeks
a
year,
so
we're
already
paying
for
depreciation
and
maintenance
on
the
car.
So
we
took
that
factor
out.
We
just
tried
to
look
at
the
use
of
fuel.
One
of
the
department
heads
in
public
safety
said
they
could
they
could
cover
the
cost
of
the
additional
fuel
in
their
current
budget
and
again,
I
want
to
remind
everyone.
This
is
a
fluid
document.
This
is
something
we
can
revisit
and
make
changes
at
any
time.
A
A
It
is
a
good
point
that
you
brought
up
about
the
part-time
work
and
other
and
other
adjacent
areas
and
I
think
we
ought
to
address
that
in
this
document
that
we
ought
to
prohibit
that
if
they
want
to
go
work
on
their
own
time,
then
they
can
do
it.
They
can't
utilize
the
city
vehicle
in
that
job.
I
agree
with
that.
A
The
police
presence
or
take-home
vehicle
I
also
agree
with
you
on
that
and
I
think
it
can
still
be
utilized
for
those
officers
that
live
and
live
in
Columbus.
The
the
one
thing
that
I
pointed
out
earlier
in
the
presentation
is,
you
know
we
saw
the
92
policy
in
this
2019
policy
there,
the
environments
change,
so
we've
got
to
do
something
different
here
to
to
try
to
not
only
give
the
Columbus
Police
Department
the
ability
to
recruit,
and
they
said
that
this
will
help
them.
So
we're
going
to
try
to.
A
A
So
we
just
looked
at
the
allowance
and
we
note
that,
for
example,
the
Civic
Center
director
had
a
car
allowance
and
all
he
does
is
drive
or
that
person
at
that
time.
All
that
person
did
was
drive
from
home
to
the
Civic,
Center
and
I.
Just
didn't
see
a
need
for
him
to
have
a
car
allowance
ID,
but-
and
there
are
some
other
employees
within
the
city
that
have
a
car
allowance
and
I
thought
that
I
think
the
committee
as
well
thought
that
there
may
be
some
some
things
that
we
can
look
at
there.
A
If
he's
going
to
get
a
car,
maybe
it
should
be
less
than
six
hundred
and
forty
eight
dollars
a
month
and
thats
what
we
came
up
thinking
about
talking
through
the
range
you
know,
how
much
does
it
utilize?
How
much
is
the
card
used
that
kind
of
thing,
so
that
that's
that's
where
we,
where
we
headed
down
that
road
and
the
second
part
of
your
number
eleven
talking
about
the
additional
twenty
eight
cents,
a
mile
when
they
travel
in
our
survey
in
talking
with
the
other
communities
of
similar
size?
A
We
found
no
other
community
that
offered
that,
and
we
even
found
no
other
business
that
offered
that
type
of
additional
compensation
for
driving.
So
we
we
tried
to
take
all
the
information
we
could
and
put
it
into
this
document
for
councils
consideration.
We
can.
This
is
a
suggestion.
This
is
our
report.
We
can
massage
it
and
take
it
in
small
bites.
So
we
can.
We
can
pick
certain
departments
and
put
the
harness
in
and
test
it
and
see
if
it
works
they
how
it
works.
A
E
And
I
want
to
say
me:
I,
don't
disagree
with
you
about
certain
Department.
He
is
like
Civic
Center.
That's
a
great
example.
I
absolutely
agree
with
your
approach
and
we
are
going
to
be
recruiting
a
new
Civic
Center
director
and
if
it's
on
a
going-forward
basis,
we
should
apply
that
but
I
just
yeah
I
just
have
concerns
with
going
and
taken
away
what's
there
and
it
because
I
think
there
could
be
some
legal
concerns
in
that.
E
A
I
agree
with
it:
well,
we
pulled
together
a
lot
of
information
from
the
1995
policy
and
I
think
back
then.
In
those
days
there
was
to
some
degree
a
range
in
salary,
I
mean
take
home
on
Carl,
Elinor,
Carlisle
and
so
forth,
and
in
looking
back
at
that,
the
car
allowance
at
that
time
ranged
from
$50
up
to
two
hundred
and
ten
dollars
a
month.
So
you
know
there
was
a
range
at
that
time
how
we
got
away
from
that
I.
A
Don't
know,
there's
also
a
part
of
the
code
that
addresses
car
allowance
and
that
that
car
allowance
is
supposed
to
be
brought
to
the
council
for
approval
and
if
a
person
vacates
a
position
for
whatever
reason,
then
that
car
allowance
goes
away
and
you
have
to
start
all
over
it.
It's
not
something
that
we
are
supposed
to
be
utilizing
to
enhance
people
who
come
to
Columbus.
F
F
A
No,
no
item
item
six
and
seven
was
at
the
request
of
drill
short.
She
informed
us
that
there
were
times
when
employees
had
neglected
the
proper
maintenance
of
a
car.
For
example,
they
didn't
change
the
oil
when
it
needed
and
they
just
kept
driving
it
and
the
engine
locked
up,
and
you
know
you
gotta,
buy
a
new
engine
and
she
said:
that's
happened
more
than
one
occasion
so.
E
D
E
D
E
E
G
G
G
This
is
the
city
on
vehicles
may
not
be
driven
to
any
residences
in
Alabama,
except
for
these
conditions,
and
it's
our
understanding
in
talking
with
department
heads
throughout
the
city
that
the
only
the
only
department
that
this
affects
that
that
the
state
or
federal
agency
oversees
the
local
agency
is
the
Muscogee
County
prison
and
the
two
deputy
wardens
currently
live
in
Alabama
and
because
of
the
state
or
federal
requirement
of
their
response
time.
In
case
something
happens
either
at
the
prison
or
dealing
with
the
prison
that
they
can
drive
their
cars,
their
city
vehicles
home.
G
They
would
be
the
only
the
only
employees,
as
we
have
been
told
and
understand
that
fit
this
description,
that
there
is
a
state
or
federal
requirement
that
you
respond
in
a
given
amount
of
time.
So
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that
we
discussed
over
and
over
and
over
again
was
trying
to
work
out
some
kind
of
an
agreement
with
Alabama
about
the
sovereign
immunity
piece,
and
we
do
think
that
attorney
general
car
is
going
to
be
very
helpful
to
us
in
that.
In
that
situation
and.
G
Hopefully,
it
won't
take
us
another,
however
many
years
to
get
that
done,
so
that
our
officers
who
live
in
contiguous
counties
and
that's
why
we
said
era
starboard
and
Chattahoochee,
they're
contiguous
to
Muskogee,
contiguous
Alabama
counties-
would
also
be
able
to
take
there
farts
home.
This
is
a
really
important
I
think
deal
to
the
committee
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
those
kinds
of
things
are
taken.
Care
of.
We
also
talked
about
some
of
the
well
one
of
the
examples
that
the
city
manager
gave
was
the
police
car
being
parked
at
the
fire
station.
G
G
G
What
can
we
take
away,
but
it
was
if
we
have
someone
who
is
working
for
the
city,
we
want
them
to
be
able
to
have
the
optimum
conditions
to
do
that,
and
so
we
were
not
looking
to
take
anything
away
and
in
item
number
11,
it
says
that
at
the
time
of
employment
or
at
the
request
of
the
employee
of
the
suit
or
the
supervisor,
this
is
when
the
determination
would
be
made.
We
talked
a
good
bit
about.
Is
this
retroactive
and
I
think
we
didn't
take
a
formal
vote?
G
I
think
this
language
helps
with
that
that
at
the
time
of
employment
or
if
the
supervisor
requests,
then
we'll
take
a
look
at
whether
or
not
the
car
allowance
and
how
much
and
and
that
sort
of
thing
we
did
say
that
this
would
be
looked
at
periodically,
but
at
least
annually
and
councillor
Allen
and
I
had
a
conversation
about
if
there
is
a
concern
by
a
department
head
once
this
gets
into
place
or
by
the
city
manager
or
whatever.
Please
bring
that
to
our
attention.
D
G
Have
we
have
one
who
had
a
legal
address
somewhere
else,
but
that
person
does
not
live
there?
They
that's
not
their
usual
resident,
so
we're
looking
at
the
contiguous
counties
and
we're
trying
our
best
to
get
Alabama
to
come
to
their
senses
and
give
us
the
sovereign
immunity
that
that
we
need.
We
did
talk
to.
G
G
H
Want
to
thank
the
committee
for
all
the
hard
work
you
have
done
on
this
and
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
to
us.
The
same
Andrew
did
raise
some
very
good
points
and
hope-
and
y'all
may
have
already
addressed
this,
but
if
there
was
a
way
that
we
could
I
don't
want
to
tie
the
police
police
hands
as
far
as
allowing
people
take
a
mattock
County,
but
there
are
added
cost
with
maintenance,
they're,
adding
cost
with
mileage
of
somebody's
driving
I
County.
We
lose
the
visibility
of
having
a
police
car
here.
H
So
if
there's
a
way
that
we
could
incentivize
them
to
stay
in
Muskogee
allow
the
take
home
course
at
a
county
but
find
some
sort
of
way,
there's
just
some
sort
of
perk
because
we
also
lose
you
know.
Tax
dollars
to
I
mean
it's
a
myriad
of
things
that
I'd
like
to
keep
them
in
Muskogee.
If
we
can,
but
I
don't
want
to
penalize
sunlight
for
living
out
there,
but
there's
a
way
we
can
create
some
sort
of
incentive
to
keep
them
in
Misco.
H
Yeah
I
think
that's
a
big
part
of
this
program,
at
least
on
the
police
side.
I
mean
I
got
one
car,
that's
parked
at
church.
In
my
district
and
every
time
I
see
it.
I
know
it's
empty,
but
I
still
slow
down
Alessia.
So
I.
Do
you
think
anything?
We
can
do
to
get
that
aspect
back
in
Lascaux.
You
would
be
great,
but
I
do
want
to
give
them
the
tools
to
recruit
too.
So
thank.
A
You,
sir
I,
think
that
mayor,
if
I
cured
that
sure
and
the
police
chief
mentioned
in
his
back
in
the
budget
process,
he
mentioned
several
ideas
to
help
incentivize,
recruiting
and
I
think
we
ought
to
as
the
next
part
of
the
budget
process.
We
ought
to
begin
to
look
at
a
lot
of
those
things
to
incentivize,
as
you
said,
to
live
in
Columbus
I.
Think
that
was
part
of
city
manager's
concern
as
part
of
ours
too.
A
When
people
we
met
with
them,
but
they
say
that
there
are
those
that
live
outside
that
would
come
work
here
if
they
could
take
their
car
home.
So
it
would
be
an
incentive.
So,
as
you
know,
we're
short
manpower
there
and
lady
power
and
we
sure
need
we
sure
need
to
do
what
we
can
to
try
to
incentivize
them
to
come
to
Columbus
just
Lords.
I
One
who
sees
an
immense
benefit
or
the
police
office
I
feel
safe
when
I
see
police
cause,
I'm
asking
excuse
and
I
think
that
that's
one
of
the
ways
incentive
ways
that
we
can
get
the
key
I
was
shocked
in
there
that
we're
down
90
officers
and
at
once
and
I'd
like
to
say
I
know
we
have
a
committee
for
everything
outside
issues.
I
think
that's
good
for
us
to
do.
I
Have
some
committee
members
that
this
committee
here
and
the
recorders
court
that
can
look
at
all
the
issues
take
the
time,
because
we
are
part
time,
as
far
as
to
peruse
areas
that
need
to
be
for
certain
departments
talking
about
the
police
shortage.
This
is
this
issues.
I'm
here
I've
walked
the
streets
every
day,
either
what
I'm
hearing
I'm
hearing
the
fact
that
we
need
to
have
more
blue
and
wines,
and
it's
not
the
cheeseball,
always
here
that
the
chief
police
needs
to
have
it's,
not
the
chief.
I
What
we
as
a
council,
meeting,
jump
on
this
issue
and
do
something
about
this
here
and
I'd
like
to
request
to
have
a
committee
that
we
can
look
at
this
I
know
that
Mike
Baker
must
and
myself
were
one
that
we
warned
the
other
committee
and
we
did-
and
we
put
some
of
the
officers
on
the
street
in
as
well
as
the
chief
and
his
command
staff
to
address
this
problem.
We
have
been
problem
very
that
we
need
to
address
and
I
think
that
under
full
control
we
had
a
committee
looking
at
that.
I
Speaking
about
this
issue,
the
city
manager
brought
up
a
lot
of
valid
reasons
why
we
need
to
slow
this
up
and
look
at
these
issues
either,
and
it
also
gives
time
for
our
the
citizens
that
we
represent
the
ones
that
we're
supposed
to
verbalizing
their
concerns
about
issues.
Allow
the
community
the
chance
to
masticate
this
issue
it
and
then
get
back
to
us
on
concerns
that
they
may
have
and
suggestions,
and
so
on,
I
like
to
have
a
copy
of
all
your
concern
under
you.
I
What
are
some
valid
points
that
we
need
to
look
at
that
deal
fiscally,
and
so
we
really
need
to
slow
the
train
a
little
bit
on
this
issue
and
I'd
like
to
also
see
a
committee.
The
citizens
that
I
see
every
day
are
concerned,
and
that's
on
us
not
to
please,
chief
and
and
I
have
individuals
who
are
related
to
me
who
work
for
CPD
and
they're,
telling
me
and
they're
supportive
or
they're
cheap,
but
we're
there
to
take
some
kind
of
relief
on
these
offices.
I
C
D
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
be
on
the
committee.
This
is
my
first
one
in
all
the
years
that
I've
been
here,
we
just
started
building
committees
and
it's
very
beneficial
to
us
as
a
city
council
member,
because
we
are
part-time
and
we
rely
on
staff
and
we
rely
on
other
people
to
make
our
decisions
and
a
little
bit
of
research
that
we
do.
There's
a
lot
of
questions.
Those
a
lot
of
comments
made
about
the
officers
there
where
they
lived.
I,
don't
have
my
book
here
and
I.
D
D
So
why
we're
talking
about
it?
We
need
to
to
be
careful,
yeah,
okay,
Oh,
opposite
majority
of
them
do
feel
them
do
not
live,
but
because
of
our
real
estate
in
Columbus,
people
tend
to
move
to
Phoenix
City
in
other
areas
to
live,
because
they
can
get
more
property
for
their
tax
dollars.
So
there
are
other
things
that
we
need
to
consider
when
we
compare
ourselves
with
other
kin.
Unity's
other
communities
have
other
things
that
we
don't.
We
have
caps
on
our
our
tech
space.
D
D
That's
what
a
committee
is
for
its
for
people
to
voice
their
opinions
to
find
a
happy
medium
for
what's
best
for
our
city
and
for
our
taxpayers,
I
think
it's
healthy
to
disagree
as
long
as
we
respect
each
other,
then
we
find
that
common
ground
for
the
better
good
of
the
citizens,
not
us
as
elected
official
or
those
who
serve
the
citizens,
so
I'm
happy
to
go
back
to
the
table
and
continue
the
discussion.
We
have
not
been
in
no
hurry.
D
If
you
heard
council
Alan
mentioned,
we've
been
at
it
since
November
2018
and
we
are
you
in
july,
2019
I,
don't
think
we
are
in
a
quick
process
where
we're
just
trying
to
to
find
the
right
solution.
This
isn't
a
done
deal
either
we
can
come
back
and
massage
it
and
fix
it.
So
I'm
very
excited
and
anybody
else
who
has
more
comments
and
concerns
that
they
can
bring
to
our
attention.
It's
important
and
you're
right.
It's
important
for
our
officers
and
I'm.
D
D
When
you
have
a
police
officer
in
the
community,
there's
some
issues
we
have
to
work
on
that
it
and
councilmember
Barnes
I,
agree
with
you
I
think
we
need
to
put
a
committee
together
to
address
those
like
we
have
in
the
past
and
not
only
address
them,
but
try
to
implement
something
so
that
our
officers
are
more
visible.
But
at
the
same
time
we
got
to
get
our
community
to
embrace
our
officers,
because
sometimes
officers
are
afraid.
You
know
during
the
dirt
doing
their
job,
but
they
get
they're
afraid
when
they
go
home.
D
You
know
when
they
leave,
they
don't
know
if
they're
going
to
be
back
tonight.
So
it's
a
little
bit
of
both
that
we
have
to
look
at
it's
a
bigger
picture
and
it
takes
time
and
we're
not
going
to
have
to
write
answers
and
we're
not
going
to
satisfy
everybody's
needs,
but
I
think
if
we
work
together
and
try
to
do
the
right
thing
for
our
community,
we
would
continue
to
be
a
great
community
that
we
are
today
and
thank
you
for
the
feedback.
I
I
C
A
A
D
D
J
A
G
Our
officers
cannot
now
have
a
part-time
job
in
a
contiguous
County
representing
themselves
as
a
Columbus
police
officer.
They
cannot
wear
their
uniform
they
don't
they
don't
do
any
of
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
I
would
think
that
they
that
the
chief
would
have
in
his
rigs
that
you
cannot
drive
this
car
to
a
part-time
job.
They
can't
take
a
part-time
job
in
another
County
representing
themselves
as
an
officer
of
Columbus,
Police
Department.
So
just
wanted
to
clear
that
piece
of
it
up.
Thank.
C
C
In
fact,
what
I
did
was
open
the
door
for
communicating
and
investigating
a
couple
of
the
other
items
that
were
brought
out
so
good
work
by
everybody,
and
you
know
I
think
I
think
it
is
important
that
we
kind
of
look
at
this
stuff
on
a
regular
basis,
because
our
is
councillor
Alan,
pointed
out.
Our
environment
has
changed
and
is
changing
by
the
minute.
So
so
we're
going
to
continue
to
look
at
it
and
and
I
know
that
they'll
bring
back
any
hard
recommendations
that
they
think
ought
to
be
considered
by
council.
I
C
All
we
had
listed
today,
Meyer,
okay,
we've
will
move
into
the
public
agenda
and
I
want
to
remind
the
folks
that
are
peering
on
the
agenda
that
the
they'll
have
five
minutes
in
which
to
to
talk
and
address
council.
If
there's
an
issue
that
you're
asking
councils
action
on,
then
you
will
not
be
able
to
comment
past
five
minutes,
but
if
they
have
a
direct
question
to
ask,
you
you'll
be
allowed
to
respond
and
then,
if
you
don't
get
a
chance
to
finish.