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A
And
welcome
to
the
august
31st
city
council
meeting.
Typically,
this
meeting
is
a
work
session
and
it
will
be
a
work
session,
but
we
had
some
business
that
we
needed
to
take
care
of
before
the
end
of
the
month.
So
we
will
also
call
it
to
order
as
a
regular
meeting
and
have
a
have
a
short
agenda,
hopefully
and
then
we'll
get
into
some
of
the
presentations
for
the
work
session.
A
B
B
B
B
B
B
A
I
know
the
meeting
started
about
how
difficult
this
is
pandemic
has
been
on
churches,
the
central,
the
focus
of
community
and
throughout
this
larger
community,
and
I
don't
think
the
pastors
and
the
preachers
and
the
reverends
and
the
priests
and
the
imams
have
gotten
enough
credit
for
the
extra
work
that
you
have
gone
through
to
hold
your
congregation
together,
try
to
keep
hope
going
and,
at
the
same
time,
trying
to
keep
your
flock
safe.
A
We
thank
you
as
a
representative
of
all
those
that
lead
lead
congregations
to
our
community.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
all
right.
Next,
if
you
would
please
stand
and
join
me
in
a
pledge
to
our
flag.
A
All
right,
hopefully
counselors,
you
have
had
an
opportunity
to
review
the
minutes.
If
you
motion
motion
approved
from
mayor
pro
tem
second
for
council
tucker,
any
edits
or
any
questions
or
discussion
hearing
none
all
in
favor,
please
say:
oh
I'm,
sorry,
counselor
thomas.
C
Though
you
had
miss
huff
going
off
the
board
of
water
commissioners
and
it
won
miss
huff,
it
was
mr
griffin.
A
D
Morning,
councillor
thomas
yes,
that
correction
was
made
and
the
revised
minutes
were
uploaded.
Okay.
Thank
you.
You're
welcome.
A
All
right
good,
thank
you
any
other
comments
or
edits
hearing
none
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
all
right.
The
minutes
are
approved
quickly.
An
update
on
covid
we've
been
picking
up
the
pace.
I
think
on
what
we're
trying
to
do
in
terms
of
notifying
the
public
and
trying
to
hit
hit
a
little
bit
of
an
update
every
every
week.
You
know
the
numbers
continue
to
go
up.
A
A
A
Anecdotally
I'll
tell
you
that
people
I
talk
to
whether
it's
for
whether
it's
first
responders
or
nurses,
or
or
or
just
loved
ones
of
people
in
this
hospital,
the
age
is
going
down.
The
age
is
getting
they're
getting
younger
and
their
symptoms.
More
severe
you're,
seeing
younger
folks
on
ventilators
there
is.
A
There
is
a
not
so
much
a
crunch
right
now
for
our
hospitals
on
room
availability,
but
there
is
on
people.
You
probably
saw
the
governor.
He
just
called
up
some
more
of
the
national
guard
and
we
have
our
hospitals
have
requested
more
personnel
to
be
able
to
stand
up
more
beds,
because
the
challenge
is
not
just
as
we've
mentioned.
A
We
urge
you
to
use
a
mass
that
will
keep
you
safe
and
the
other
and
others
around
you.
The
same
rules
still
apply.
You
know
we're
still
asking
people
to
socially
distance,
we're
still
asking
people
to
be
aware
of
their
hygiene,
wash
their
hands
multiple
times
a
day
and
we're
we're
certainly
strongly
urging
people
to
wear
masks
indoors.
Masks
are
still
required
inside
government
buildings.
A
A
We
actually
had
a
pop-up
vaccination
site
at
st
francis
hospital
out
in
their
parking
lot
and
they
were
vaccinating,
probably
a
hundred
folks,
a
a
day
out
there
over
about
a
three-day
period,
and
it's
a
it's
a
great
opportunity
for
those
that
are
visiting
loved
ones
who
might
be
hospitalized
with
kovid
now
that
they
realize
that
that
this
can
strike
anybody.
A
Some
of
those
folks
have
have
elected
to
go
and
get
vaccinated.
So
so
I
urge
you
check
with
your
doctor
and
and
prayerfully
consider
whether
or
not
the
vaccine
is
right
for
you.
A
All
right
and
we'll
move
to
the
city
attorney's
agenda.
A
E
All
right,
thank
you.
Mayor
morning
we
have
a
fairly
short
business
agenda
to
get
through,
but
the
first
item
up
was
the
ordinance
amending
the
unified
development
ordinance
for
transfer
station,
various
fines
and
penalties.
I
think
the
mayor
pro
tem
wants
to
substitute
two
ordinances
for
the
one
ordinance
that's
on
the
table.
E
A
All
right
there's
a
motion
to
delay,
for
I
guess
two
weeks,
yes,
two
weeks
by
councillor
tucker,
and
it
was
second
and
who'd.
I
hear
a
second
councillor
woodson
any
discussion
mayor
pro
chem.
G
G
With
that
in
mind,
fellow
counselors,
the
the
request
from
city
manager
deals
with
one
two
and
three,
so
we
could
go
ahead
and
approve
four
and
five,
which
are
solid
soil
erosion
and
I
believe,
fees,
fees
and
fines.
Regarding
I'm
sorry,
soil
erosion
and.
E
Erosion
penalties
and
the
catch
all
zoning
of
sfr2.
A
All
right,
so
so
the
emotion
from
counselor
tucker
seconded
by
council
woodson
was
to
delay
simply
the
special
exception
request
in
lmi
as
well
as
hmi.
Is
that
right?
Okay?
So
we
can
go
ahead
and
deal
with
that
specific
delay
now,
which
would
which
would
just
affect
that
one
change
in
the
udl
correct
councillor,
davis,
yes,.
I
Mr
mayor,
I
think
what
I
just
heard
you
say
is
the
the
two
items
we're
talking
about.
One
two
three
is
a
totally
separate
issue
from
four
and
five,
and
you
know-
and
I
think
the
last
meeting
was
a
little
confusing-
that
they
were
brought
together,
but
in
the
the
fact
of
it
is
they
are
separate
issues
that
we're
dealing
with,
and
my
I'm
right
on
that.
A
All
right,
so
is
there
any
any
more
discussion
as
to
delaying
that
one
specific
item,
all
right,
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye.
E
E
A
E
A
E
A
A
E
A
E
A
All
right,
I
missed
who
the
motion
made
the
motion.
Councilor
thomas,
did
you
make
that
over
there
this
plexiglass
is
killing
my
deaf
ears.
All
right
motion
approved
from
counselor
tucker
ii
from
councillor
woodson,
any
discussion
all
right
hearing,
none
we'll
cue!
It
please
enter
your
vote.
A
A
E
K
L
This
ordinance
for
carver
park
being
close,
sorry
resolution
for
carver
park
to
be
closed,
is
from
is
on
saturday
and
sundays,
and
it's
just
for
30
days
and
to
allow
us
to
study
public
safety
concerns
in
the
park
and
also
we're
going
to
work
with
the
city
attorney
to
put
an
ordinance
together
to
allow
the
city
manager
to
work
with
the
public
safety
director
on
an
ordinance
that
will
give
the
city
manager
the
flexibility
to
make
these
these
changes
when,
when
need
be,
and
not
just
for
carver
park
but
for
all
parks.
L
L
And
here
again,
two
weeks
ago,
a
44
year
old
was
murdered
in
the
park
and
a
three-year-old
was
shot
in
the
park
in
his
constant
shootings
in
the
park
on
a
daily
basis.
Almost
so,
we
have
to
address
the
concerns.
The
public
safety
concerns
not
for
just
the
city
of
columbus,
but
definitely
for
those
those
house
home
owners
that
live
on
the
outskirts
of
that
property.
It's
very
unsafe.
We
need
to
ensure
the
cameras
are
working.
L
One
of
the
things
that
the
community
has
asked
me
to
do
is
to
to
make
that
just
a
one-way
end,
one
way
out
to
close
the
back
entrance
of
that
park
because,
what's
happening
when
law
enforcement
comes
out
and
they're
trying
to
you,
know,
apprehend
suspects
they're
going
into
the
neighborhoods
and
it's
dangerous
it's
dangerous.
So
I
just
hope
that
you
all
will
support
these
changes
for
the
public
safety
of
our
our
citizens.
In
that
district.
N
M
N
O
M
L
L
N
L
The
weekend
hours
it
elite,
hopefully
they
can
go
at
least
two
or
three
times
just
to
check,
because
I
do
know
that
people
go
around
that
gate
because
they're
using
the
atvs,
but
the
gates
will
be
locked.
We
I'm.
I
appreciate
you
all
voting
on
that
to
put
the
gates
up,
so
we
now
have
a
gated
entrance
and
on
the
opposite
side,.
L
A
And
I
think
I
think
it's
a
good,
measured
response,
because
it
this
is
simply
to
give
us
time
to
bring
an
amendment
to
an
ordinance
that
would
allow
the
city
manager
to
take
a
look
at
all
that
information
and
and
because
we
don't
want
to
close
public
parks
so
and
but
for
30
days.
Until
we
get
this
ordinance
amended.
A
Given
the
authority
to
work
with
the
public
safety
director
with
council
and
with
the
law
enforcement
agencies,
then
maybe
the
modification
based
on
certain
circumstances.
So
I
think
that'll
be
that'll,
be
fine.
Counselor,
thomas.
C
Are
there
gates
there
now
physically
there
and
who
would
be
responsible
for
locking
those
gates
and
unlocking
those
gates?
The
next
day.
C
P
Good
morning,
mr
mayor
city,
manager
and
council
members
regarding
carver
park,
currently
I've
been
working
with
holly
brother,
our
partisan
director
and
since
beginning
of
this
year
and
we've
been
locking
the
gate
at
the
gates
at
carver
park,
and
we
would
continue
to
do
so
and,
of
course,
her
staff.
Someone,
someone
from
her
staff
is
unlocking
the
gate
in
the
morning
time,
and
so
this
would
not
present
a
problem
for
us
because
we
are
currently
taking
care
of
that.
Now.
C
To
think
that
this
will
assist
in
some
of
the
activities
in
the
park,
that
may
not
be
what
we
want.
P
Of
course,
that's
the
intention
as
far
as
locking
the
gates,
we'll
continue
to
assess
our
reports
of
incidents
over
the
past
years
and
be
able
to
review
that
and
to
determine,
of
course,
the
best
option
to
take
going
forward
from
there.
But
as
far
as
the
immediate
time
that
would
be
the
best
route
to
take.
At
this
time.
L
I
will
say
that
the
parks
were
and
all
of
our
parks
are
open
from
5am
to
11
p.m,
and
when
we
did
close,
amend
those
hours
for
carver
park
for
7
a.m,
to
7
p.m.
The
complaints
you
know
the
calls
were
decreased.
I
will
say
that,
and
a
lot
of
the
residents
called
me
that
lived
around
carver
park
and
said
it
did
help
with
the
time
being.
L
You
know
changed
to
closing
at
7
p.m,
but
I
do
want
to
request
something
more
permanent
to
you
know.
Do
that
one
way
in
just
that
one
entrance,
so
we
can
actually
close
that
back
gate,
because
that's
where
the
16
year
old
that
was
murdered
was
on
the
back
gate.
It
was
another
teenager
that
was
shot.
It
was
on
that
back
gate.
Most
of
the
stuff
happened
on
that
back
gate.
A
L
And
it
was
one
more
thing
in
reference
to
the
cameras
myself
and
counselor
house,
I'm
trying
to
see
if
it
was
in
february
john,
when
we
did
that
that
walk
through
it
was
mentioned
by
command
sergeant,
grant
that
the
cameras
could
be
hooked
up
to
the
the
precinct
on
bueno
vista
road.
But
it
was
a
software
that
needed
to
be
purchased,
and
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
what
the
price
and
I
forgot
to
add
that
in
that
email
that
I
sent
on
monday,
what
the
price
is
for
that
software
feature.
Well,.
F
F
We
are
looking
at
a
comprehensive
camera
system,
as
I
read
the
email
to
you,
the
report
out
from
deputy
city
manager,
goodwin's
initial
meeting
with
all
parties
and
and
we've
got
police
and
all
the
public
safety
in
on
that,
and
so
whoever
you
talk
to,
if
they
would
make
sure
that
the
chief
knows
and
when
and
whoever
is
on
the
committee
from
police,
we
want
it
to
be
comprehensive
to
include.
I
mean
if
there's
software,
we
look,
we've
got
it
involved
and
and
we're
gonna
fund
it
and
so
we're.
L
P
Right
so
we
have
one
of
our
assistant
chiefs
assistant
chief
of
administration,
deborah
kennedy
she's
on
that
committee
with
deputy
deputy
chief.
Excuse
me:
democracy,
the
manager
goodwin
excuse
me
go
ahead
and
she's
part
of
that
committee
for
representing
our
police
department,
and
so,
as
the
city
manager
stated,
she'll
be
working
to
help
contribute
ideas
and
thoughts
as
well.
That
would
benefit
our
police
department
towards
that
comprehensive
plan.
F
We
will
engage,
adapt
us
all
inc,
the
vendor
that
is
currently
on
contract,
to
meet
with
us
and
advise
us
on
what
we
will
need
to
get
to
5g
small
cell
deployment,
ensuring
we
don't
have
any
wi-fi
blind
spots,
ability
for
all
cameras
to
integrate
old
and
new,
and
there
may
be
some
cameras
that
will
not
need
to
be
replaced,
just
infrastructure
needed
to
navigate
the
integration,
and
so
what
the
committee
really
want
to
see.
It's
360
degree
cameras
tag.
F
We
need
to
have
one
vendor
and
one
same
software
for
all
vpn
access
to
be
able
to
view
on
cell
phones,
ipads,
and
so
this
is
just
kind
of
highlights
of
what
we
are
working
toward
and
you
can
see
that
it's
public
safety,
it's
it's
public,
transit!
It's
it's!
It's
sheriff!
It's
when
I
say
public
safety,
it's
it's!
F
It's
it's
a
360.,
and-
and
so
you
can
see
that
this
is
not
going
to
just
happen
overnight,
but
but
we're
working
on
it
and
and
we're
going
to
fund
it
we're
going
to
get
there,
but
and
so,
but
but
that
is
not
to
say
that
for
the
criminals
who
are
listening
yeah,
that
is
not
to
say
that
we
will
not
have
portable
cameras
that
may
be
in
carver
park
in
other
parks
and
other
places,
because
the
one
thing
that
we
will
not
do
is
let
criminals
shut
down.
Our
parks.
F
L
And
what
I
would
ask
for
is
a
timeline
for
the
cameras.
Well,.
F
N
F
F
L
I
I
know
you
I
honestly
know
you
are.
We
just
want
to
want
to
see
that
way.
When
I
have
people
calling
me
asking
me
well,
what
are
we
doing?
I
want
to
be
able
to
say
this
is
what
we're
working
on
we're
working
on
a
project,
we're
doing
cameras,
because
I
just
got
off
the
phone
with
somebody
that
lived
over
here
off
ill,
just
road,
that's
complaining
about
dumping
and
crying.
I
want
to
be
able
to
tell
a
constituent
or
a
citizen.
A
Let's,
let's
come
back
with
a
general
timeline:
let's
come
back
because
I
know
we
see
the
same
thing.
I
know
when
I
talk
and
we'll
hear
from
our
fire
chief.
When
we
talk
about
ordering
some
of
these
things.
The
window
has
gotten
much
broader,
but
we
can
give
that
broad
window
and
then,
as
the
as
things
start,
the
swelling
starts
to
go
down
in
some
of
the
procurement
situations,
we'll
modify
it,
but
we'll
give
a
a
worse
case.
A
All
right,
we'll
we'll
we'll
get
a
very
broad,
general
timeline,
but
just
so
that
we
have
something
that
we
can
tell
people,
because
we
we
should
be
able
to
communicate
something
to
them.
Council,
woodson.
M
Yes,
I
understand
my
colleague's
concern
about
a
deadline,
but
I
also
been
here
long
enough
to
understand
what
isaiah
says
and
for
those
that
have
been
here
longer.
You
know
when
we
say
it's
an
estimated.
The
constituent
makes
it
it's
reality,
but
I
what
I
would
what
I
would
suggest
is
that
why
don't
you
periodically
update
us
on
on
where
we
are?
Are
we
getting
closer
to
that
time
frame?
M
How
much
more
estimated
time
you
think
it
will
be
before
we
we
complete
it,
for
instance,
let's
say
by
then
by
january
possibility.
That's
it
no
exact
dates,
no,
because
the
constituents
believe
me
will
stick
to
that.
They
won't
remember
that
it
was
an
estimated
time
you
said
so.
If
we
can
just
give
updates
periodically
or
give
us
a
general
time
frame.
You
know
february
january,
you
know
december
november
something
yeah
something
that
we
can
can
be
able
to
explain
to
our
constituents.
That's
coming.
M
This
is
not
only
carver
park,
it's
all
the
parks,
all
the
neighborhoods,
all
the
community,
and
we
don't
want
to
continue
to
split
up
our
community
by
saying.
Well,
you
we're
doing
this,
but
we're
not
doing
this
for
the
southern
community,
so
just
a
quarterly
update
or
something
so
that
we
know
where
we're
at.
F
I
I
I
know
that
the
sheriff's
office
controls
are
supposed
to
provide
security
and
coverage
and
and
oversight
of
all
government
facilities
and
I'm
assuming
that
the
parks
and
other
matters
are
involved
in
that
too,
I
know
cpd
has
their
responsibilities,
they
got
patrols
out
and
certainly
they
probably
work
together,
but
you
know,
as
far
as
whose
responsibility
is
that
could
could
you
answer
that
to
me
sure.
F
For
me,
of
course,
we
all
know
that
police
respond
to
9-1-1
calls,
and
I
want
to
say
that
this
sheriff
sheriff
great
countryman
understands
his
responsibility
for
government
buildings
and
facilities
and
and
he
came
into
office,
and
he
took
that
on
in
a
way
that
I've
never
seen
a
sheriff
take
it
on
before,
and
so
he
knows
that
he
has
a
responsibility
for
parks
and
facilities.
F
This
sheriff
has
people
riding
buses,
yeah
deputy
sheriffs
in
all
the
buildings
when
you
enter
so
he
knows
that
parts
are
his
responsibility
and-
and
I
I
think
he
has
people
patrolling
parks
and
going
through
parks.
F
I
I
guess
due
to
budgetary
constraints
over
the
years
it
kind
of
we've
had
to
make
some
readjustments
or
the
city's
had
to
make
some
readjustments.
But
maybe
I
don't-
I
don't
know
if
we're
there
at
that
point,
but
maybe
that's
a
conversation.
We
already
have
again
about
having
specific
patrols,
or
maybe
some
kind
of
a
unit
that
that
you
know
not
cover
every
part
but
maybe
being
able
to
get
out
there
and
just
put
eyes
on
the
eyes
on
the
ground.
I
know
cameras
and
all
that
is
good.
I
It's
a
it's
important,
but
a
presence
is
important
as
well.
So
I
don't
know
I'm
just
throwing.
A
That
I
agree,
but
I
think
what
you're
gonna,
what
you're
gonna
find
is
that
I
mean
if
we
could
hire
park
rangers,
I'm
okay
with
hiring
them.
The
challenge
is:
we've
got
a
lot
of
holes
to
fill
in
the
police
department
and
we
cannot
hire
people
it's
you
know
it's
a
combination
of
the
rigors
of
the
job
and
and
some
of
the
challenges
that
we've
seen
occur
around
the
country
over
the
last
two
years.
A
Not
many
people
want
to
be
in
law
enforcement
and
and
it's
getting
tougher
and
tougher
every
day,
so
yeah
I
mean
we.
If
we
could,
we
can
find
them,
they
want
a
job.
I
With
them
yeah
and
look,
I
concur.
We
in
full
agreement
there.
I
don't
maybe
there's
some
folks
that
might
want
to
come
back
to
work
retire.
They
want
something
to
do.
They
need
some
some
way
to
to
spend
their
time.
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is,
but
we.
I
As
as
patrol
officers
with
with
cpd,
but.
A
E
All
right,
it's
approved.
Okay,
that
passes
mayor
the
last
item
of
business.
We
would
ask
for
a
short
executive
session
on
acquisition
and
disposal
real
estate
and
discussion
of
potential
litigation
and.
Q
A
All
right,
thank
you
and
before
we
get
out
of
here,
I
wanted
to
make
a
comment.
We
misread
one
of
the
numbers
and
that's
why
I
was
a
little
bit
surprised.
Our
our
number
per
100
000
has
actually
gone
down.
It's
it's
649,
not
812.
That
was
actually
the
number
for
for
the
state.
So
we
we
are
still
plateaued
we're
not
going
up
as
much
as
we
thought
in
coven,
but
just
wanted
to
correct
that
number.
A
Public
agenda
first
up
is
mr
jerome
lawson,
mr
lawson.
Here.
A
Okay,
well
next,
is
you,
mr
jeremy
hobbs
representing
colgate
pride
regarding
the
nondiscrimination
ordinance
welcome,
and
what
we'll
do
is
you
get
five
minutes
and
we'll
start
the
timer
after
you
give
your
name
and
an
address
and
then,
if
you
are
unable
to
finish,
you
can
come
back
at
the
end
of
the
work
session
for
three
more
minutes.
K
K
You
know,
there's
12
city,
12,
other
cities
in
the
state
of
georgia
and
have
already
passed
this
columbus.
Georgia
is
the
third
largest
city
in
georgia
used
to
be
second.
Well,
though,
we
are.
Second,
we
keep
hearing
the
second
or
third
or
whichever,
but
a
lot
of
people
in
atlanta
want
to
say
third,
but
if
we're
second
that's
great,
but
to
be
the
second
largest
city,
we
should
have
already
passed
this
a
long
time
ago.
K
K
All
three
of
those
at
one
time
discriminated
against
me
two
were
because
I
was
lgbt
okay
and
one
was
because
I
had
aids
discrimination
exists
today
everywhere
they
say.
Oh,
we
already
have.
Policy
policy
does
not
protect
people,
it's
just
a
piece.
It's
a
piece
of
paper:
it's
words
law.
Does
we
have
fines
that
punish
people
for
these
acts?
K
K
K
K
K
K
These
are
the
teachings
of
my
lord
savior,
and
I
you
know
I
just
can't
understand
how
people
of
faith
continue
to
berate.
A
group
of
people,
especially
the
lgbtq
community,
we've
been
called
monsters.
We've
been
called
deviants
we've
been
called
monstrosities,
we've
been
called
pedophiles,
we've
been
called
all
kinds
of
names
throughout
history,
and
yet
we
turn
the
other
cheek
and
stand
up
and
speak
out,
and
today
I
want
to
encourage
you
to
hold
public
agendas
to
undo
what
the
damage
that
has
been
done.
K
I
hope
that
you
will
create
a
set
of
public
public
meetings
across
our
city
to
speak
truth
about
what
these
non-discrimination
ordinance
does
for
people,
not
let
all
the
lies
and
myths
and
everything
else
cloud
people's
judgments,
because
this
non-discrimination
ordinance
is
what
is
needed.
We
have
an
emmy.
I
score
right
now
of
61..
K
A
All
right
next
is
miss
it's
royce
j
morris
regarding
a
request
for
the
city
of
columbus,
to
increase
tourism
by
creating
a
blues
museum
and
music
hall
downtown
to
capitalize
on
being
the
hometown
of
mulraney.
A
I
don't
see
royce
morris.
Okay,
all
right,
mr
city
manager,.
F
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Yes,
it's
my
agenda.
Yes,
yes,
sir,
okay,
I've
got
just
a
couple
of
things.
This
is
a
work
session
agenda,
as
we
all
know,
but
I've
got
one
document
with
the
housing
authority
requesting
a
release
of
funding.
R
A
Notion
made
by
mayor
pro
tem
seconded
by
councillor
tucker
any
discussion,
questions
hearing,
none
all
in
favor,
please
say
I'm
sorry
register
your
votes
on
screen
still
not
used
to
that
being
back.
F
That's
what
that's
about
and
it's
approved,
and
so
with
that
we
we
do,
have
a
work
session
agenda
and
got
five
topics
that
we
will
be
discussing
today.
I've
got
columbus
public
transit
survey,
update
kirsten
barker
program
manager
for
better
work,
columbus.
O
Good
morning,
mayor
city
manager,
council
members,
thank
you
for
inviting
me
to
share
this
information
today
and
I
believe
the
public
works
department
as
well,
and
I
am
the
pro
the
program
manager
for
better
work,
columbus
and
our
program
is
focused
on
helping
people
who
have
been
unemployed
or
underemployed
to
find
a
path
to
meaningful
work,
that
a
lot
will
allow
them
to
earn
a
living
wage.
So
that
ultimate
goal
is,
is
living
wage
and
we
do
care
a
lot
and
and
look
at
a
lot,
the
barriers
that
people
face
during
that
process.
O
I
am
also
the
vice
chair
for
the
mayor's
commission
on
re-entry,
and
I
thank
some
of
our
members
who
have
come
today
to
kind
of
support
sharing
this
information.
But
the
way
this
came
about
is
during
one
of
our
recent
commission
meetings.
The
topic
of
transportation
came
up
and
we
were
discussing
how
people
will
turn
down
job
opportunities
because
they
don't
have
that
transportation
to
be
able
to
get
there,
and
the
question
was
raised
following
that
meeting.
Do
we
have
any
data
on
that
and
in
short,
I
found
the
answer
was
no.
O
I
reached
out
to
the
non-profit
partners
that
we
work
with
and
I
have,
and
they
all
have
anecdotal
stories
that
they
share,
but
we
didn't
have
any
any
data
really
to
be
able
to
share,
and
so
this
survey
was
an
attempt
to
begin
collecting
some
data
that
will
help
us
understand
how
having
limited
transportation
options
in
columbus
may
be
impacting
employment
in
our
community.
O
O
O
I've
had
that
one
employer
said
I've
had
several
employers
that
rely
heavily
on
the
bus
and
they're
perpetually
laid
resulting
in
disciplinary
action.
That's
outlined
in
their
attendance
policy
and,
of
course,
shifts
are
important.
People
are
not
able
sometimes
to
accept
shift
work
because
the
bus
doesn't
run
early
enough
or
late
enough
for
them
to
be
able
to
work.
O
Here
is
a
comment
related
to
that
one.
Employer
said
you
know:
I've
got
employees
whose
shifts
start
at
1
00
pm
but
end
all
throughout
the
night
and
there's
not
a
bus
available,
and
they
don't
have
family
who
can
pick
them
up
because
they're
home
sleeping,
so
they
end
up
having
to
turn
down
positions
or
lose
positions.
Because
of
that.
So
those
are
just
some
of
the
comments
that
I
have
heard
or
types
of
comments
that
I've
heard
from
employers.
But
it
was
comments
like
these
that
initially
prompted
us
to
ask
that
question.
O
O
We
asked
what
their
primary
mode
of
transportation
is,
and
we
found
that
about
49
of
the
people
that
we
surveyed
either
used
metra
so
use
the
bus
system
or
alone,
or
some
combination
of
metra
and
walking
or
biking
or
hitching
a
ride
with
a
friend.
So
those
those
types
of
percentages
are
what
you
see
here.
O
For
for
those
who
have
used
metra
as
their
primary
mode
of
transportation,
we
found
that
a
majority
of
them
generally
take
buses,
ten,
nine,
five
or
three.
I
think
those
combined
to
be
about
75
percent
of
the
responses,
and
you
know
looking
at
those
routes.
I
believe-
and
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong-
those
are
buses
that
go
to
areas
like
airport,
throughway,
bradley
park,
peachtree
mall
and
I
think,
like
st
mary's
and
buena
vista
road.
It
would
be
interesting
to
me
to
see
if
that
information
coincides
with
what
you
see.
O
How
far
do
they
have
to
walk
from
home
to
get
to
the
nearest
bus?
Stop,
and
I
did
some
research
and
found
that
about
a
quarter
of
a
mile,
so
0.25
miles
is
generally
used
as
an
acceptable
walking
distance
in
u.s
research
studies
to
get
to
bus
stops.
So
it's
worth
noting
here
that
about
17
percent
of
the
people
responded
that
they
had
to
walk
further
than
that
to
get
to
a
bus.
Stop.
O
And
then
we
asked
during
bad
weather,
have
you
ever
called
out
from
work
or
missed
appointments
to
avoid
taking
the
bus
and
43
percent
of
the
people
said?
Yes,
that
has
happened
to
them
as
a
follow-up
to
this
question.
We
asked
why?
Because
we
wanted
to
understand,
why
have
they,
you
know
called
out
of
work
or
missed
appointments,
so
you
know
because
they
didn't
want
to
have
to
take
the
bus
and
of
the
responses.
O
So
what
is
this
doing?.
O
So
so
most
of
their
responses
were
related
to
that
to
weather,
not
having
shelter
those
types
of
things
we
also
ask:
have
they
ever
been
in
a
position
that
they've
had
to
depend
on
the
city
bus
to
travel,
to
work,
so
not
just
public
transportation
in
general,
although
in
columbus,
that's
what
we
have
but
having
to
be
to
depend
on
the
bus
specifically,
and
we
had
66
percent
of
the
people
who
said
yes,
they've
been
in
situations
where
they've
had
to
depend
on
the
city
bus
for
that
having
good
and
reliable
public
transportation
is
so
important
when
it's
your
only
option
to
get
where
you
need
to
be
so
having
66
percent
of
the
144
people
that
we
talk
to
say,
they've
been
in
that
situation
is
important
and
what
I
would
do
is
stop
here
to
just
say.
O
I
hope
we
all
can
consider
you
know
what,
if
what,
if
we
had
to
rely
on
a
bus
to
get
in
everywhere,
all
the
time,
but
even
more
important
than
getting
to
the
store
or
getting
to
an
appointment,
what?
O
We
ask:
have
you
ever
turned
down
a
job
or
not
applied
for
one,
because
the
bus
did
not
have
a
route
to
that
location
and
51
of
those
people
said
yes,
that
they
have
turned
down
a
job
or
not
applied
to
one?
And
that
doesn't
surprise
me
at
all,
because
I
talked
to
those
people.
I
have
picked
up
the
phone
and
called
someone
before
and
said:
hey
this
company
is
looking
for
someone
you're
a
good
fit
for
this
position
and
they've
said
I
can't
apply
for
that.
I
can't
get
there.
O
So
what
I
want
to
say
here
is
we
can't
assume
it's
easy,
sometimes
to
assume,
but
we
can't
assume
that
the
bus
doesn't
need
to
stop
somewhere
like
the
technology
park,
because
everyone
who
works
there
has
a
car,
because
when
we
look
at
it
that
way
we're
limiting
the
opportunity
for
people
who
need
it.
The
most.
O
The
next
question
we
asked
is:
have
you
ever
quit
or
been
terminated
from
a
job,
because
the
bus
was
not
able
to
get
you
to
your
job
at
the
scheduled
time
and
about
the
same
number
of
people,
50
percent
said
they
have
quit
or
been
terminated
from
a
job
because
of
this.
So
it's
no
wonder
the
employers
that
I
talk
to
are
making
the
comments
like
they
make.
O
You
know
in
a
similar
way
that
you
have
to
deal
with
the
budget
issues.
They
have
to
deal
with
those
types
of
issues
as
well,
and
so
many
of
them
have
spent
their
own
time
valuable
time,
trying
to
figure
out
a
solution,
and
I'm
not
saying
by
any
means
that
public
transport
transportation
is
the
only
answer,
but
it
does
play
an
important
role.
O
As
a
follow-up,
we
wanted
to
understand
how
reduced
or
no
or
not
having
that
transportation
service
affects
their
daily
activities.
So
when
we
get
in
a
situation
as
a
city
and
it's
so
important
and
difficult,
it's
not
easy.
We've
got
budget
issues,
we
cut
back
right
because
less
people
are
using
the
service,
but
I
wanted
to
understand
how
that
impacts,
the
people
that
don't
have
any
other
option,
and
so
we
asked
them
this
question
to
be
able
to
understand
that
and
what
we
found
out
was.
O
We
also
heard
it
slow,
slows
plans,
business
plans,
so
people
who
are
trying
to
better
themselves
who
are
trying
to
go
to
school,
who
are
trying
to
do
those
things
missing,
appointments
not
being
able
to
get
a
driver's
license.
That's
a
real
problem
for
people,
so
all
of
these
things
make
it
more
difficult
and
there's
a
tendency
to
think
that
when
bus
ridership
is
low,
people
don't
need
it.
O
O
O
So,
in
summary,
about
50
53
of
the
people
we
surveyed
did
not
have
access
to
a
car.
66
of
those
people
had
to
rely
on
the
city.
Bus
for
transportation,
about
17
had
to
walk
farther
than
what
is
considered
the
the
maximum
range
to
have
to
walk
to
get
to
a
bus.
Stop
43
percent
have
missed
work
for
our
appointments
due
to
bad
weather
and
not
having
adequate
shelter
is
a
concern
and
then,
more
importantly,
of
the
66
percent,
who
have
had
to
depend
on
the
city
bus
for
work
to
travel,
to
work.
O
O
A
Kristin,
thank
you
for
what
you
do
on
the
on
the
reentry
commission,
but
your
your
career
once
you've
done
and
trying
to
trying
to
help.
Folks
and
I'll
say
one
quick
thing.
A
You
know
we
look
at
this
and
we
have
a
tendency
to
look
at
it
as
a
like
you'd
watch,
a
movie
like,
oh
man,
that's
unfortunate
years
ago,
open
door
did
a
a
program
where
you
were
assigned
a
to
be
a
person,
and
they
gave
you
different
circumstances
that
lived
in
poverty,
and
I'm
telling
you
when
your
your
task
is
to
figure
out
how
to
get
to
work,
how
to
cover
when
a
child
needs
to
go
to
a
doctor's
appointment.
A
A
S
Thank
you
mayor.
I
want
to
thank
kristen
for
for
doing
this
work
it.
This
evolved
out
of
discussions.
We
were
having
on
the
re-entry
commission
and
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
stories,
but
as
we
talked
it
was
clear
you
know
stories
and
stories.
We
need
something.
You
know
some
facts
to
try
to
sit
down
and
okay
understand
what
the
problem
is.
So
this
is
not
a
definitive
answer
for
anything
to
go.
S
S
So
I
mean
that's
the
intent
just
to
give
us
an
idea.
These
are
some
facts
of
you
know
people
and
employers
that
have
been
surveyed.
I
mean
it.
Does
you
know
kind
of
give
us?
You
know
a
start
point
for
discussion
as
to
what
we
can
do,
because
in
some
cases
we
can't
solve
it,
but
at
least
we
understand
a
little
bit
better.
What
the
problem
is
and
as
we
look
for
solutions,
maybe
we
can
solve
some
of
it.
Thank
you.
Well,.
C
C
F
Yes,
ma'am
and
you
are-
and
let
me
just
say
to
ms
barker
that
thank
you
for
what
you've
done
and
what
you've
brought
before
this
council
today
and
the
metro
representatives
are
not
here,
because
I
don't
think
we
communicated
to
them
that
you
were
doing
it
today.
Otherwise
they
would
have
been
here,
but
this
is
great
information
and
council.
Thomas
is
absolutely
correct.
F
That
was
some
time
ago,
but-
and
I
know
that
this
was
a
limited
sample-
I
believe
you
said
people,
but
we've
had
a
unique
situation.
Everything
that
you've
said
you
know,
I
think,
is
right
on
point.
F
F
They
had
public
meetings
and
they
went
and
and
identified
every
single
bus
stop
and
they
monitored
who's
riding
at
that
bus,
stop
or
people
riding
at
that
bus
stop,
and
I
mean
this
comprehensive
review
was
comprehensive,
and
so
they
came
back
before
this
council
and
they
presented
an
expansion
of
bus
service
based
on
I
mean
we
went
out,
and
I
cannot
tell
you
how
many
I
don't
know
the
exact
number
of
new
buses
that
we
bought.
F
F
In
now,
the
last
bus
was
coming
in
after
midnight
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
and
so
we
had
additional
bus
operators,
new
buses,
additional
buses
and
an
expansion
of
service
from
4
30
a.m
in
the
morning
until
midnight
monday
through
saturday,
and
thinking
that
after
those
hearings
and
identifying
where
people
are
and
creating
the
new
routes
and
some
express
routes,
we'd
get
more
people,
and
so
after
the
service
started,
we
said
you
know.
F
F
I
can't
I
don't
have
the
details
of
it,
but
that's
what
happened,
and
so
we
were
not
getting
the
ridership.
So
initially
we
cut
the
service
back,
we
expanded
it
and
because
of
no
ridership
late
at
night,
we
then
cut
it
back
to
10
o'clock
and
so
and
we
were
trying
to
drum
up
the
ridership
support
and-
and
so
just
in
recent
time,
we've
cut
it
back
to
when
the
last
bus,
I
believe,
is
in
at
8
30
p.m.
F
So
I
want
you
to
know,
I
don't
know
how
much
if
you've
talked
to
metra
but
but
but
we
had
and
still
have
money
that
we're
spending
22.4
million
dollars.
We
created
three
park
and
ride
sites
right
here
in
columbus
that
people
could
drive
in
and
park
and
ride.
That
was
part
of
what
we
used
the
money
for,
and
so
so
we've
gone
from
this
limited
service
to
this
expanded
service
that
we've
cut
back
because
no
ridership
and
then
the
pandemic.
F
O
Yeah
yeah,
I
do
have
one
question
related
question
and
I
I
appreciate
all
of
that.
It's
a
lot
to
try
to
manage
and
work
through
and
you
know,
get
the
feedback
and
figure
out.
I
I
do
wonder
how
long
if
it
was
long
enough.
You
know
that
that's
it
that
was
in
place
and
then
I
do
wonder
because
shift
work
is
a
part
of
that
and
I
don't
know
that
the
shifts
actually
get
off
until
like
3
or
3
30..
F
O
But
that's
actually
not
what
I
wanted
to
ask.
I
had
one
of
the
employers
that
I
work
with
recently
tell
me
she
had
been
to
metra
and
talked
to
them
about
adding
a
shelter.
T
O
F
Stop
where
there
is
a
rider
and
there's
a
computer
printout
that
will
show
the
bus
stop
they're
riding
in,
and
so
some
employer
is
not
saying
this
one
right,
we'll
want
a
nice
bus,
stop
shelter
in
front
of
their
place,
but
metro
they've
captured
all
the
data
and
they
know
that
no
one's
riding
at
that
bus
stop,
and
so
they
want
to
spend
the
money
put
the
bus
shelters
where
people
are
riding,
and
so
what
I
want
to
do
is
connect
you,
because
I
think
you
can
help
us
with
all
that
you've
done,
and
I
think
you
need
to
be
an
advisor
to
us,
and
so
I
want
to
have
she's
not
here
today,
but
deputy
city
manager,
lisa,
goodwin,
tiasha
johnson
is
going
to
make
sure
we've
got
all
your
contact
information
and
we're
going
to
follow
up
with
you,
and
we
want
to
put
you
at
the
table
with
the
metro
people.
F
We
want
them
to
see
this.
We
want
to
discuss
it
and
we
want
to
see
what
we
can
do
different
to
make
transportation
better,
but
and
so
deputy
city
manager,
lisa
goodwin,
is
going
to
follow
up
with
you
and
pull
all
the
parties
together,
because
I
mean
that's
great,
a
great
survey
information-
and
I
can,
I
know,
you're
passionate
about
it
and
we
want
your
passion,
and
so
this
is
not
the
last
conversation
we're
going
to
have.
F
O
C
I
know
that,
for
example,
st
luke's
school
was
giving
scholarships
to
kids
who
lived
in
north
highland
to
come
to
saint
luke's
school.
They
couldn't
get
there,
they
didn't
have
transportation,
they
couldn't
get
to
the
school,
so
we
had
to
do
something
else
same
thing
with
saint
ann's
and
calvary
christian.
C
If
we
can
just
figure
out
how
to
do
that
exactly-
and
I
believe
that
there
are
some
folks
sitting
around
this
table
that
could
figure
out
how
to
do
that,
because
it's
it's
as
the
mayor
said:
if
you've
never
had
to
depend
on
public
transportation
to
go,
get
your
medicine,
you
don't
have
a
clue
what
it
what
it
takes
to
do
that
to
get
there,
and
so
I'm
I'm
always
encouraged
with
our
metra
staff,
who
are
willing
to
give
it
a
try.
Let's
see
what
we
can
do,
and
I
I
commend
them
for
that.
J
J
Instead
of
these
large,
you
know
more
more
vehicles,
but
the
smaller
vehicles-
and
I
think
I'd
like
us
to
address
that
one
more
time,
because,
especially
now,
where
we
are
low
in
cdl
drivers,
we
don't
they
don't
need
to
have
that
type
of
a
license
to
be
driving
a
van
or
something
like
that,
and
then
also
maybe
some
public-private
partnerships
with
these
with
these
companies.
You
know
we
don't
put
up
the
shelter.
The
company
puts
up
the
shelter.
You
know
the
companies
that
want
to
be
a
part
of
this
program.
J
They
work
with
us,
they
provide
the
shelters
they
broke
and
then
they
work
with
us
so
that
they
have
a
specific
route
that
that
a
comp
you
know,
accomplishes
getting
their
employees
to
and
from
work.
During
that
those
different
shifts,
it
seems.
J
And
so
I'm
hoping
that
you
know,
maybe
we
can
get
around
the
bureaucracy
by
having
a
public
private
partnership,
and
so
I'd
like
us
to
look
into
that.
M
Yes,
counselor
crab
touched
on
it
a
little
bit.
I
was
in
a
gma
and
I
heard
conversation
going
that
some
jobs
are
desperate
for
employees,
so
they're
offering
different
incentives.
I
tend
to
agree
with
consular
craft,
is
talking
to
our
employers
to
see
what
are
they
willing
to
do
to
provide
for
their
employees?
M
Maybe
they'll
provide
the
pass
or
half
and
half
on
their
taxi
or
uber
or
whatever
they
take
to
get
to
work.
If
that's
something
you
guys
can
also
consider
as
you're
talking
with
metro
and
yourself
map
innovative
ways
different
ways.
Some
companies
have
been
giving
bonuses.
Some
companies
have
been
paying
for
babysitters.
Some
companies
been
doing
different,
innovative
we're
in
a
time
of
crisis
right
now
in
our
country,
and
we
can't
just
depend
just
on
government.
We
have
to
everybody
chip
in
and
help
and
do
a
little
bit.
M
There's
that
neighbor
going
the
same
way
drop
her
off.
You
give
her
a
couple
dollars
for
gas.
We
need
to
get
back
into
that
innovative
way
to
share
a
ride
and
possibly
the
employees
to
share
a
ride.
O
I
agree
and
some
of
the
solutions
that
I've
seen
that
that's
at
the
core
yeah.
A
Mr
barker
doesn't
appear
to
be
any
more
questions.
I
you
know
I,
this
is
all
part
of
the
bigger.
This
is
a
piece
that
goes
in
a
bigger
puzzle
and
that
puzzles
poverty
and
to
be
able
to
try
to
keep
people
employed
off
the
streets,
give
them
a
roof
over
their
head
and
try
to
get
people
who
are
starting
over
after
paying
a
debt
for
some
type
of
transgression.
A
It's
all
predicated
on
giving
them
access,
so
I
think
I
think
your
presentation
has
caught
the
attention
of
the
city
manager
absolutely,
and
I
would
imagine
we'll
try
to
pull
together
a
group
that,
if
nothing
else
just
furthers
the
conversation,
it
looks
for
more
innovative
ways
to
try
to
take
care
of
this.
One
piece
of
the
bigger
challenge.
Well,.
F
It
absolutely
got
my
attention
and
and-
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do
all-
that
we
can
to
have
the
best
public
transit
system
that
we
can
have,
especially
considering
we
got
this
22.4
million
dollars
in
and
and
we've
gotten
karazak
money
for
transit
we've
got
an
arp
money
for
transit,
and
so
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
taking
care
of
the
people
as
best
we
can.
F
The
only
challenge
that
we
have-
and
you
heard
council
crap
talk
about
the
buses
and
you
know
we
got
to
have
the
ridership
and
and
because,
if
we
don't,
we
hear
from
people
saying
that
you
know
why
you
have
that
big
bus.
You
know
and
two
people
on
it,
and
so
we
have,
I
mean
with
dollarad
and
some
and
and
even
on
a
fixed
route.
You
know
and
I've
since
we're
on
this
saturday
schedule.
F
F
These
electronic
fare
boxes,
they
can
survey,
they
can
tell
you
how
many
pennies
nickels
dimes
quarters
and
dollar
bills
and
whether
they
were
elderly
or
disabled,
because
they
got.
They
touch
a
key
to
tell
you
if
it's
an
elderly
or
disabled,
and
they
can
tell
you
what
bus
stop
and
that's
why
they
know
that.
You
know
if
someone's
not
riding
at
a
particular
bus.
Stop
or
here
are
the
bus
stops.
They
are
riding
at
because
they
they're
telling
and
they
print
this
print
out.
F
You
know
at
night
they
go
and
they
they
they
pull
the
fare
box
and
they
they
put
it
in.
They
use
something
and
to
retrieve
all
the
data
into
the
computer.
It
sends
it
to
the
administrative
offices
on
daily
and
they
can
pull
that
report
and
they
can
tell
you
all
about
what
happened
on
that
route.
Yes,
so
they
appreciate.
F
F
O
Q
T
You
for
your
presentation,
I'm
sorry.
I
had
to
step
out
and
take
a
call,
but
I
was
listening
a
little
in
the
back
and
I
just
want
to
assure
you
that
the
city
manager
has
worked
with
us
in
the
past
and
I'm
sure
he's
going
to
work
with
you
going
forward.
I'm
one
of
the
counselors
that's
been
in
his
ear
over
the
past
10
years
and
he's
tried
different
things
in
my
district
and
some
have
worked
some
we,
the
people.
T
Sometimes
we
need
you
and
others
to
kind
of
corral
them
together
to
make
sure
that
they
understand
that
the
numbers
have
to
be
up
and
he's
had
buses
to
come
into
areas
to
make
it
simple
and
then
the
ridership
decreased
and
we
had
to
remove
the
bus
from
that
particular
route,
so
figure
out
a
way.
The
presentation
was
great
but
figure
out
a
way.
O
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
yeah
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
and
I
I
guess
going
back
to
the
question.
It's
great
that
we're
looking
at
the
data.
I
guess
I
just
want
to
be
sure
we're
asking
the
right
questions.
G
F
That,
yes,
sir
next
I've
got
chief
scarpa,
columbus
fire
and
ems
services.
Fleet
status,
update,
welcome
chief
scarface.
V
V
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
visit
with
you
today
to
discuss
the
status
of
our
fleet
by
the
way
my
name
is
sal
skarp,
I'm
the
foreign
ems
chief
here
in
columbus,
as
well
as
the
ema
director
for
the
city.
I
want
to
share
with
you
and
apologize
to
you
in
advance,
unfortunately,
that
this
report
is
not
a
good
news
report.
V
It
is
a
culmination
of
about
a
year-long
investigation,
kind
of
a
deep
dive
look
into
or
the
status
of
our
fleet,
which
is,
unfortunately,
a
little
challenging,
but
I'll
start
with
the
pretext.
I
wish
I
was
here
to
to
give
you
some
information
on
some
of
the
great
programs
that
our
organization
is
engaged
in
and
to
talk
about
the
partnership
opportunity
we
have
with
the
school
system
where
we're
finally
employing
school
kids
as
firefighters,
here
in
our
community
or
they're.
V
The
great
save
rate
from
our
cardiac
arrest
saves
where
we're
not
only
giving
people
a
second
chance
of
life
by
giving
them
the
opportunity
to
walk
out
of
the
hospital
with
with
all
their
faculties
intact.
But
we're
not
here
to
talk
about
that.
Those
great
things
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
about
something,
a
little
more
challenging
so
to
give
you
a
little
pretext.
V
V
We
have
12
ambulances
on
a
good
day
that
are
provided
to
serve
our
community,
in
addition
to
a
variety
of
fire
apparatus
which
I'm
going
to
share
with
you
today
and
please
feel
free
to
ask
any
questions
you
have.
We
consider
ourselves
an
all
response
agency,
which
means
we
respond
to
any
kind
of
incident
within
our
response
district.
V
There
is
no
one
else
around
us
that
provides
the
resources
and
capabilities
that
we
have.
We
have
to
go
all
the
way
to
atlanta
to
get
to
the
resources
that
we
have.
There
are
other
fire
departments
around
us
that
are
smaller
volunteer
for
organizations
that
are
great
people,
but
they
simply
do
not
have
the
resource
capability
that
we
have,
because
we
serve
such
a
large
metropolitan
statistical
area.
V
V
V
In
addition
to
that,
our
organization
is
raided
by
the
insurance
services
organization,
that
entity
rates
40
000
entities
across
the
united
states
on
their
capacity
to
provide
fire
tech
fire
protection
to
the
community.
They
rate
those
agencies
on
a
scale
from
one
to
ten,
with
one
being
the
best
and
ten
being
the
worst.
Our
agency
is
a
class
one
city
of
those.
Forty
thousand.
V
There
are
about
a
thousand
of
those
that
are
class
one
if
you
put
all
that
together,
the
number
of
combined
agencies
that
are
both
accredited
and
and
the
class
one
each
class,
one
iso
class,
one
there's
less
than
a
hundred
in
the
united
states.
So
we
are
the
top
110
to
one
percent
of
all
fire
departments.
United
states
and
our
folks
are
very
proud
of
that.
V
So
that's
what
I
talk
about
with
them
when
I
say
we're
world
class,
that's
what
I'm
talking
about,
but
we
are
facing
a
critical
challenge
and
it
is
probably
our
most
significant
challenge.
I
spent
the
first
several
months
of
my
time
here,
beginning
in
august
of
last
year,
visiting
with
our
crews
and
our
members
and
trying
to
determine
what
our
needs
are,
what
our
challenges
were
and
what
we
do
well,
and
what
do
we
struggle
with-
and
I
heard
different
things
as
you
might
anticipate
pay-
is
a
struggle.
V
Some
of
our
facilities
are
challenged,
but
the
number
one
issue
facing
our
our
men
and
women
out
in
the
field
had
to
do
with
our
fleet.
So
I
want
to
give
you
a
kind
of
a
pretext
of
what
our
fleet
looks
like
our
fleet
is
made
up
of
a
variety
of
apparatus,
as
you
can
see
here
in
the
photo,
what
we
call
an
engine,
a
fire
engine,
which
is
the
ubiquitous
symbol
for
the
fire
service.
V
V
V
We
have
what
we
call
a
squad
inventory,
which
is
basically
our
heavy
rescue
equipment.
We
have
two
of
those
in
the
city.
The
one
pictured
here
is
our
squad
that
services
our
hazardous
materials
response
team,
the
other
one
is
the
other
one
looks
very
similar
to
that.
It
says
heavy
rescue
on
it
and
it
encompasses
all
of
our
tactical
specialties
that
our
fire
department
must
manage.
V
In
addition
to
that,
of
course,
we
have
a
fleet
of
ambulances.
Columbus
fire
department
has
six
ambulances
that
we
maintain
and
keep
ready
on
the
street
in
addition
to
foreign
reserve
again,
these
are
on
good
days.
We
partner
with
the
private
ambulance
service,
two-part
production
services.
Excuse
me
that
provide
an
additional
six
ambulances
again
on
good
days.
V
In
addition
to
that,
we
have
a
wide
variety
of
specialty
equipment
included.
Here,
you
can
see
a
photo
of
our
tractor
trailer
with
our
gsar
equipment.
G-Star
stands
for
georgia
search
and
rescue.
These
are
state-owned
assets
that
we
we
maintain
and
we
utilize
to
provide
services
to
our
community
in
our
region.
We
have
tractor
trailers,
we
have
boat
trailers,
swift,
water
trailers
within
our
department.
You
have
jet
skis
boats,
atvs
and
a
variety
of
support
trailers.
V
Again
we
have
to
manage
any
incident
within
our
region
because
help
is
quite
a
ways
away,
so
we
have
a
variety
of
equipment
that
we
must
maintain
and
train
on
and,
of
course,
we
have
a
fleet
of
support
vehicles.
These
include
everything
from
our
battalion
chiefs:
cars,
the
folks
that
are
out
in
the
field
today
managing
the
services
of
our
members,
our
fire
inspectors,
our
investigators,
our
training
division,
which
is
spread
out
all
over
the
city.
V
Our
challenges
within
our
fleet
are
kind
of
within
these
four
broad
categories
and
I'll
talk
about
them.
Briefly,
we
have
an
aging
stock
of
equipment.
Over
the
years
we,
the
city,
has
been
unable
to
replace
apparatus
as
quickly
as
perhaps
we
would
like,
and
that's
due
to
a
variety
of
reasons.
We
have
a
lack
of
preventable
maintenance.
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
I've
had
some
some
great
conversation
in
our
partnership
with
our
public
works
department.
V
We
have
significant
repair
challenges
and
replacement
hurdles
I'll
kind
of
take
each
one.
In
turn,
this
is
kind
of
a
snapshot
of
our
aged
fleet.
As
you
can
see,
we
have
our
front
line.
The
top
line
is
our
front
line
apparatus
our
reserve
status
again
on
a
good
day.
The
average
age
is
anywhere
from
eight
to
12
years
of
age.
V
I
will
tell
you:
I
haven't
worked
with
fire
departments
across
the
united
states.
That's
on
the
older
side.
Our
average
mileage
is
fairly
significant,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
our
ambulances,
and
this
doesn't
even
begin
to
address
the
challenges
associated
with
our
our
regular
other
vehicles,
kind
of
a
breakdown,
here's
all
of
our
engines.
V
You
can
see
the
ones
that
have
an
asterisk,
a
single
asterisk.
Next
to
it.
The
third
one
there
from
the
top
is
slated
for
replacement
with
the
piece
of
equipment
that
was
ordered
earlier
this
year
and
that
one
down
there
at
the
bottom
engine
10
will
then
move
into
reserve
status.
Now
you
can
see
the
age
ranges
from
anywhere
from
four
years.
All
the
way
up
to
19
years
of
age,
which
is
a
really
really
long
time
for
fire
regime.
V
V
Interestingly
enough
ladder,
1,
which
is
downtown
at
our
downtown
station,
relatively
close
to
the
government
center,
has
a
very
few
miles
on
it,
but
that
is
probably
one
of
our
busiest
ladders
in
this
city
has
very
few
miles
because
it
doesn't
run
very
far.
It
covers
our
downtown
area
and
it
moves
a
lot,
but
it
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
miles
on
it.
V
V
We
have
this
slide
is
in
terms
of
the
mileage
is
about
a
month
and
a
half
old,
so
the
mileage
has
increased
a
little
bit
over
that
time.
F
F
Line,
well,
I
shouldn't
say
average
age,
but
the
useful
life
expected.
V
V
Most
agencies
have
a
standard
schedule,
some
of
it's
based
on
years,
some
of
it's
based
on
a
formula
some
of
it's
based
on
just
what
works
for
that
particular
agency
in
the
city
of
columbus.
We
have
a
replacement
schedule
that
looks
like
this
ten
years
hundred
thousand
miles
for
for
an
engine,
five
years
hundred
thousand
miles
for
an
ambulance
and
ten
years
hundred
twenty
thousand
miles
for
a
staff
vehicle,
and
so
I
asked
us
where
does
that
come
from?
Does
anybody?
V
Can
anybody
tell
me
where
that
those
numbers
originate
from,
and
I
wasn't
able
to
get
a
clear
response
other
than
that's
what
we've
typically
done
for
over
the
years?
I
said:
okay,
that's
that's
fine!
That's
that's
what
we've
done
so
if
we
take
our
apparatus
and
apply
that
model,
this
is
kind
of
what
that
breakdown
looks
like
you
can
see.
Obviously,
red
is
is
bad
and
green
is
is
current.
We
have
a
large
contingent
of
our
fleet
is
in
in
bad
shape
and
overdue
for
replacement.
V
Our
repair
challenges
are
significant.
We
work
hand-in-hand
with
our
public
works
department
who
have
done
a
tremendous
job,
and
I
want
to
say
that
again
they
have
done
a
tremendous
job
in
supporting
us
as
best
they
can.
They
are
faced
with
their
own
challenges
and
challenges,
as
it
pertains
to
supporting
us
in
returns
every
player.
V
As
a
result,
our
fleet
maintenance
costs
have
doubled
in
three
years
and
they
are
projected
to
rise
significantly
again
this
year.
That
is
why
I
was
I
was
here
before
council
a
couple
weeks
ago,
because
our
we
went
over
budget
in
our
fleet
repair
challenges
that
is
likely
to
continue
until
we
were
able
to
get
a
hold
of
this
or
out
of
service
time.
When
trucks
go
down
for
service,
our
goal
is
to
get
them
back
in
service
we
want
to.
V
On
average,
our
ambulances
are
out
of
service
about
45
days
a
year,
an
engine
about
40
days
a
year
and
a
ladder
truck
about
35
days
out
of
the
year.
That
is
pretty
significant
and
makes
quite
a
significant
challenge
for
our
operations,
folks,
who
are
trying
to
keep
apparatus
in
service
and
on
the
road.
V
So
is
this
really
a
challenge?
Why
has
this
not
become
an
issue
for
you
and,
quite
honestly,
it's
because
of
the
partnership
we
have
with
our
folks
at
public
works
and
the
men
who
are
sitting
behind
here
behind
me
here
today
and
someone
who
could
not
be
here.
They
have
band-aided
bailing
wire,
duct
taped
and
done
everything
that
we
can
to
do
to
keep
our
trucks
and
our
equipment
on
the
road.
V
I'm
here
to
tell
you
today,
I'm
here
today
to
tell
you
we
are
out
of
band-aids.
We
have
a
significant
challenge
in
terms
of
our
fleet.
V
We
look
at
data
to
make
decisions
and
we
we
look
at
things
like
how
long
is
it
going
to
take
me
to
replace
some
of
our
equipment
if
I
were
to
order
it
today,
and
these
numbers
are
bc
so
before
covert
and
specifically
before
this
most
recent
wave
recovered,
we
were
looking
at
an
engine
replacement
of
about
12
to
14
months,
a
lot
of
replacement
about
18
months
and
then
it's
about
9
to
10
months
and
then
some
of
our
specialty
vehicles
upwards
of
18
months
again
that
was
bc.
F
V
F
V
That
looks
like
so
today,
so,
for
example,
we
ordered
council
approved
an
emergency
purchase
for
us
earlier
this
year
for
an
engine
a
ladder
and
a
couple
ambulances.
We
ordered
those
in
january
february
this
year
we
are
anticipating
the
ambulances
november
december
time
frame
so
about
a
year
the
engine
we're
not
anticipating
until
april
of
next
year,
so
about
what
is
that
16
months
and
then
the
ladder
truck
in
july
of
next
year,
which
is
about
18
months.
V
We
anticipate
that
those
numbers
will
probably
be
stretched
out
as
the
supply
chain
around
the
world
has
been
significantly
disrupted
right.
We
are
hearing
from
our
manufacturers
and
our
dealers
that
those
those
numbers
are
likely
to
continue
to
push.
So
again
to
your
point,
mr
city
manager,
you're,
absolutely
right.
You
can't
buy
this
stuff
off
the
lot.
They
don't
exist
anymore.
There
was
a
time
early
in
my
career.
When
you
can,
you
can
buy
something
off
the
lot.
If
you
will,
that
doesn't
really
happen
anymore
off
the
shelf
off
the
shelf.
V
So
I
want
to
share
with
you
what
status
0
means
we
use
this
term
a
lot
in
our
fire
department.
Unfortunately,
status
zero
means
we
are
in
a
position
where
there
are
no
reserve
engines
or
ladders
in
the
city.
Today
we
are
at
status
zero.
We
are
at
status
zero,
a
lot.
So
if
a
engine
goes
down
for
repair
out
of
service
or
a
ladder
goes
on
another
surface,
we
do
not
have
anything
to
replace
it
with
a
company
is
then
taken
out
of
service
and
we
have
a
deficit
in
our
fleet.
V
I
will
tell
you
that
we
are
seeing
that
with
significantly
increased
frequency
over
the
last
six
months
that
I've
been
here,
and
that
is
why
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
share
this
with
you.
The
result
of
that
is,
we
have
decreased
reliability.
Reliability
means
I
have
an
engine
that
serves
this
part
of
the
community.
V
Well,
if
this
engine
over
here
goes
down,
I
have
to
pull
an
engine
from
somewhere
else
to
to
respond
to
that,
so
the
reliability
of
that
engine
serving
its
first
new
territory
goes
down,
and
then
we
have
that
multiplied
across
the
system
and
the
challenge
is,
it
becomes
very
real.
Increased
response
times.
Is
that
what
what
that
translates
to
increased,
wear
and
tear
on
our
apparatus?
And
we
are
what
I
call
stressing
the
system
our
system
is
very
stressed.
V
The
impact
for
our
community
is
significant
when
I
first
came
up
in
the
fire
service
many
years
ago,
30
years
ago
now,
when
we
were
fighting
fires,
we
were
fighting
fires
in
homes
where
everything
was
made
out
of
wood.
That
is
no
longer
the
case.
V
We
are
fighting
fires
in
homes
where
everything
is
now
made
out
of
plastic,
and
so
the
rate
of
fire
growth
in
these
homes
today
is
much
faster
than
it
was
when
I
started
as
a
young
man
in
the
fire
service,
and
so
it's
important
for
us
to
get
there
quickly
and
so
in
our
community
in
the
city
of
columbus,
a
building
fire
occurs
about
every
20.
These
are
five-year
averages
in
the
city
of
columbus.
Only
building
fire
occurs
in
our
community
about
every
25
hours.
V
A
building
fire
can
be
something
as
significant
as
what
you
see
here,
or
something
a
little
less
significant,
like
that's
handled
with
with
a
couple
of
a
couple
of
companies,
a
residential
fire
which
is
one
or
two
family
dwelling,
occurs
about
every
two
days
in
our
community.
Sometimes
it's
something
as
small
as
food
on
the
stove.
Sometimes
it's
much
more
significant
and
we
were
displacing
families.
V
An
apartment
building
fire
occurs
on
average
every
five
days
in
our
community.
Again,
sometimes
they
are
smaller
and
we
have
you
know
they
don't
make
the
news.
Sometimes
there
are
significant
events
we
have
had.
I've
had
more
than
my
fair
share
of
significant
fire
events
and
apartment
complexes.
Since
I've
been
here,
the
average
annual
loss
for
to
do
the
fire
in
our
community
is
about
8
million
a
year.
V
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of
that
number,
because
that
number
fluctuates
quite
a
bit
if
we
lose
one
mill
or
one
significant
structure,
that
number
can
can
vary
wildly
and
to
date
in
the
city
of
columbus.
We
have
had
fire
fire
fatalities
in
2021.
V
We
are
also
challenged
with
the
fact
that
we
are
routinely
at
status
zero
when
it
comes
to
our
ambulances-
and
this
is
probably
our
most
significant
challenge
right
now,
with
the
most
recent
wave
of
covet
status
0
for
us,
as
a
result
of
the
fact
that
we
are
unable
to
maintain
our
fleet,
we
have
apparatus
down
times
that
are
significantly
longer
than
they
should
be.
The
incapacity
of
our
private
contractor
support
team
private
partners
to
be
able
to
staff
their
ambulances
routinely.
V
They
are
struggling
getting
paramedics,
just
as
we
are,
and
so
there
are
times
when
we
have
we're
supposed
to
have
12
ambulances
on
the
street.
There
are
days
when
that
does
not
happen
when
that,
when
that
those
days
happen
that
stresses
the
system
and
we
have
ambulances
that
leave
the
fire
station
and
do
not
come
back.
V
V
I
don't
want
to
say
in
the
middle
of
the
night,
but
over
a
seven
day
time
period,
leaving
us
with
two
private
ambulance
services.
So
I
went
to
those
ambulance
service
and
asked
him.
Can
you
please
pick
up
the
other
ambulance
at
this?
Other
service
was
was
no
longer
able
to
do
and
they
tried
to
do
that
for
a
while.
They
simply
cannot
sustain
that,
and
so
we're
stressing
the
system
and
our
capacity
as
a
fire
department
to
react
when
we
don't
have
control
over.
V
This
is
before
this
last
wave
of
kobe's
staying
at
the
hospital
45
minutes
waiting
for
bed,
so
I
transport
a
patient
to
a
hospital.
They
wait
in
the
er
with
that
patient
that
hospital
ambulance
cannot
clear
the
hospital
for
45
minutes.
Meanwhile,
calls
are
coming
in
calls
are
coming
in,
so
the
amount
set
that
a
call
that
that
ambulator
was
supposed
to
take
is
having
to
be
handled
by
another
ambulance,
another
part
of
the
community
against
stressing
the
system.
V
I
will
tell
you
that,
with
this
recent
wave
recovered
that
wall
time
is
significantly
higher.
I
had
a
conversation
with
one
of
our
staff.
The
other
day
we
have
wall
times
upwards
of
three
hours.
We
are
waiting
on
a
bed
for
three
hours
that
takes
that
ambulance
out
of
service
out
of
the
system
for
three
hours,
our
fire
department
responds
to
40
000
calls
for
service
every
year.
That
number
does
not
go
down.
That
number
goes
up
every
year,
and
so
it
is
significantly
stressing
the
system.
V
It
is
my
opinion
that
a
city
this
size
we
need
two
additional
ambulances
on
the
street.
We
have,
in
addition
to
our
private
partners,
one
of
the
things
that
they
did
for
us.
They
used
to
do
in
our
as
part
of
our
contract
was
they
provided
a
peak
time
ambulance,
which
means
during
the
day
monday,
through
friday,
8-5
they
provided
an
additional
ambulance
to
help
service
our
community
that
quickly
went
away
shortly
after
I
got
here,
they
have
not
been
able
to,
and
I've
been
able
to
do
that
ever
since.
V
So
again,
we
went
from
having
14
ambulances
on
a
good
day
with
a
number
of
reserves.
Now
we
have
zero
reserves
and
typically
we're
we're
down
to
about
10
to
11
ambulances.
We
are
stressing
the
system
and
stressing
our
personnel.
So
again
the
consequences
decrease,
reliability,
increased
response
times,
increased,
wear
and
tear
on
our
apparatus.
V
The
burnout
on
our
personnel
is
significant.
We
are
holding
our
own
as
best
we
can.
I
don't
have
a
problem
hiring.
I
I
feel
for
our
police
chief
and
our
folks
and
our
law
enforcement
partners
are
struggling
higher.
We
don't
have
that
problem
hiring.
I
have
problems,
hiring
paramedics
across
the
country.
I
can't
hire
paramedics,
but
I
can
hire
firefighters,
but
I
don't
want
to
continue
to
do
that
because
our
folks
are
leaving
because
they're
stressing
out
and
burning
out
over
this
issue,
the
community
impact
of
course,
of
having
ambulances.
V
I
don't
need
to
explain
to
you-
is
significantly
important
getting
them
on
the
scene
quickly.
We
tell
everybody,
cardiac
arrest,
brain
death
occurs
and
sever
six
minutes
begins
to
occur
in
six
minutes.
If
you
don't,
if
you
don't
react
quickly
and
is
irreversible
after
10
minutes,
it
is
important
that
we
get
there
quickly
for
folks
who
have
stroke.
V
It
is
important
that
we
get
those
arteries
back
open
within
90
minutes
for
those
folks
to
be
able
to
walk
out
of
the
hospital
with
all
their
faculties.
So
again,
it's
important
for
us
to
get
there
quickly.
We
used
to
call
the
golden
hour
when
I
first
started
the
fire
service.
If
you
had
a
trauma
event,
you
were
in
a
car
crash
or
shot
or
stabbed
or
fell
down
a
flight
of
stairs.
You
know
a
significant
injury.
You
had
to
be
treated
in
the
hospital
within
within
an
hour
to
have
any
success.
V
To
have
a
significant
rate
of
success
so
that
hour
becomes
really
challenging
for
us
as
we're
waiting.
So
what's
in
jeopardy
again,
our
organization
organization,
morale
is
challenged,
we're
looking
at
personnel
born
out.
We
are
stressing
the
system
and
I'm
not.
I
know
I'm
not
alone
in
this.
I
know
our
our
partners
across
the
country
are
facing
the
same
challenge
with
associated
with
kobe,
but
I
cannot.
I
cannot
manage
a
turnover
challenge
on
top
of
this.
We
have
currently
so
far.
We've
we've
avoided
a
large
majority
of
that,
but
it's
coming.
V
Our
iso
rating
is
in
jeopardy
if
we
are
unable
to
sustain
and
maintain
what
we're
currently
doing,
our
iso
rating
by
the
way
is
impacts
your
insurance.
So
it
is
a
small
component
of
your
homeowners
insurance,
but
as
a
major
component
of
your
commercial
industrial
insurance.
So
as
your
iso
rating
goes
up,
so
does
your
insurance
insurance
premiums
and
that
detracts
from
people
wanting
to
relocate
to
columbus.
V
So
when
businesses
are
looking
to
come
to
columbus
oftentimes,
they
might
ask:
what's
your
iso
rating,
we
get
that
question
a
lot
iso
class,
one
they're
gonna
get
the
best
insurance
premiums.
They
can
possibly
get
that
iso
rating
gets
jeopardized
and
goes
up.
Insurance
premiums,
particularly
for
our
commercial
industrial
community,
goes
up.
Precipitously
accreditation
status
is
also
in
jeopardy.
If
we
are
unable
to
do
what
we
say
we're
doing
in
terms
of
maintaining
our
fleet,
we
have
the
potential
for
losing
our
accredited
status.
V
We
we
are
scheduled
for
an
accreditation
review
in
2023,
where
we
will
go
before
the
center
for
fire
accreditation
international
and
have
to
talk
about
what
we're
doing
everybody's
facing
challenges.
So
we
will
get
some
grace,
but
we
have
some
challenges
certainly
to
deal
with.
The
most
importantly
is
the
fact
that
we
have
an
unavailability
of
resources.
V
It
is
a
scary
scary,
thought
to
think
that
you
might
call
9-1-1
and
not
have
that
resource
be
able
to
respond
or
have
it
respond
significantly
later,
when
you're
standing
there
with
the
child
who's,
not
breathing
or
in
an
older
person,
who's
falling
down
the
stairs
and
they
have
to
wait.
30
40
50
minutes
for
an
ambulance.
That's
not
going
to
go
well
for
our
community.
V
I
want
to
thank
the
council
in
2021
earlier
this
year
of
january's
time
frame.
You
approved
an
emergency
purchase,
like
I
mentioned,
for
an
engine
a
ladder
and
a
couple
of
valences
at
that
time.
I
I
knew
enough
about
our
fleet
that
we
were.
We
were
in
a
bad
way,
and
I
approached
the
mayor
and
city
manager
about
doing
emergency
purchase,
and
I
appreciate
that
that
equipment
is
scheduled
to
arrive
again.
V
So
what
we've?
What
have
we
done
again?
I
mentioned
I've
been
doing
looking
at
this
kind
of
in
depth
for
about
a
year
we
haven't
just
sat
back
and
watched.
This
happen.
We've
taken
steps
to
address
as
best
we
can
we're
working
hand-in-hand
lockstep
with
our
public
works
department,
who
have
been
fantastic
in
working
with
us
to
help
get
our
trucks
just
get
our
trucks
on
the
road.
I'm
not
talking
about
doing
preventative
maintenance.
We
haven't
done
preventative
maintenance
for
a
long
time.
V
We
have
standardized
our
split
fleet
specifications
for
our
fleet
so
that
we
don't
have
to
go
into
a
long
process
of
what
it
takes
to
build.
The
truck
we've
standardized
that
so
we
have
specifications
for
when
we're
ready
to
buy
our
next
truck,
we
just
hand
the
manufacturer
specifications,
that's
what
we
want.
We
standardize
that
across
our
fleet,
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
we've
modified
our
ambulance
capability,
we've
gotten
away
from
diesel,
which
has
been
significantly
challenging,
particularly
on
the
ambulances
and
gone
to
gas.
V
That
will
help
with
the
maintenance
on
those
things
we've
implemented
what
we
call
a
cold
response,
which
means
we
respond
non
lights
and
sirens
to
those
low
acuity
calls.
When
you
call
9-1-1,
which
is
frustrating
people,
do
it,
people
call
9-1-1
say
I
have
a
rash.
I've
had
it
for
several
days.
I
need
to
go
to
the
emergency
room.
V
V
That
alone
is
the
only
reason
in
conjunction
with
our
public
works
partners
why
we
have
not
had
to
have
to
close
close
down
companies
for
long
periods
of
time.
That
is
a
significant
significant
deal
for
us.
So
what
are
we
doing
now?
We're
looking
at
long-term
fleet
maintenance
options,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
working
in
lockstep
with
our
public
works
partners
to
bring
a
bring
a
presentation
to
you
shortly,
an
emergency
services
contract
to
provide
full-time
maintenance
solution
at
our
public
works
garage.
V
There's
a
public
private
partnership
that
we're
looking
at
we're
developing
a
comprehensive
fleet
management
program
where
we
take
apparatus
and
move
them
around
the
city
as
they
age
out.
So
typically
in
the
past,
what
we've
done
is
we
buy
a
truck,
we
put
it
on
station
one
and
when
that
trucking
station
one
gets
old
enough,
we
replace
it
well
that
truck
at
station
one
gets
a
lot
of
hard
miles,
really
quick.
It
doesn't
get
a
lot
of
miles,
but
it
gets
a
lot
hard
hard
running
because
it
it's
one
of
our
busiest
stations.
V
What
we're
talking
about
now
is
taking
that
truck
as
it
gets
to
its
later
part
in
its
life
and
putting
it
out
to
our
one
of
our
stations,
where
perhaps
it
can
get
less
more
less
challenging
miles
and
extend
the
life
of
that
apparatus.
V
We're
evaluating
the
possibility
of
remounting
our
ambulances
on
aimless
boxes
on
new
chassis.
That's
something
we're
not
able
to
recommend
right
now,
but
hopefully
next
year,
perhaps
with
the
next
batch
of
ambulances
we
might
be
able,
instead
of
buying
an
entire
new
ambulance.
Just
take
the
box
off
keep
the
box,
which
is
the
box,
is
typically
good
and
put
a
new
chassis
under
which
would
save
the
city
a
tremendous
amount
of
money.
V
We're
looking
at
that
we're
evaluating
community
education
initiative
to
address
the
misabuse
and
abuse
of
the
9-1-1
system.
That
is
going
to
be
an
uphill
battle.
It
doesn't
just
affect
us.
It
affects
our
dispatchers.
It
affects
our
hospitals,
it
affects
our
public
health.
It
affects
our
mental
health
partners,
so
we're
looking
at
a
partnership
opportunity
where
we'll
bring
all
those
people
together
in
the
task
force
to
work
on
this
initiative.
We
can't
do
that
right
now,
because
the
system
is
so
stressed
with
gobid.
V
We
have
to
wait
till
the
code
goes
away
with
developing
a
solution
to
fleet
replacement
for
cars.
That
is
revenue
positive
for
the
city.
I
want
to
say
that
again
we
have
a
solution
that
is
revenue
positive
for
the
city
that
is
almost
unheard
of,
but
we
have
been
working
with
the
houston
fire
department.
V
Who's
been
doing
this
for
years
in
a
partnership
agreement
with
enterprise
car
rental,
we've
met
with
our
public
works
partners
and
we
met
with
enterprise,
we'll
be
bringing
forth
that
recommendation,
hopefully
shortly
probably
through
our
public
works
department
and
finally,
we're
developing
an
apparatus
contingency
plan
and
what
that
means
is.
We
are
planning
for
long-term
closures
of
apparatus
and
what
that?
What
does
that
look
like
when
we
don't
have
enough
apparatus
on
the
street?
We
have
to
take
that
piece
of
equipment
out
of
service
and
we
have
a
deficit
somewhere
in
our
system.
V
We've
done
a
condition
assessment
on
all
of
our
apparatus.
When
I
put
this
slide
together,
we
hadn't
completed
that
we
were
able
to
complete
that
for
this,
for
this
presentation.
I'll
share
that
with
you
briefly
again,
with
working
with
our
public
works
department
on
a
long-term
solution,
and
in
addition
to
that
we've
met
with
columbus
technical
college.
They
have
a
heavy
diesel
mechanic
program
that
they
just
started
this
fall.
V
V
V
As
you
can
see,
it's
a
little
bit
better
than
the
model
that
that
this,
the
that's
currently
being
used
in
terms
of
the
picture,
but
you
can
see
about
50
percent
of
our
engines-
are
in
dire
need
of
replacement
for
three
three
of
our
six
ladders
are
in
need
of
replacement
or
seven
ladders
are
needed
replacement
and
then
eighty
percent
of
our
ambulances
are
needed,
replacement,
yellow
means
they
qualify
for
replacement,
which
means
we
should
be
looking
at
buying
those
things
now
getting
the
order
in
because
it
takes
a
long
time
to
get
them
and
then
get
good
and
excellent.
V
V
We
have
three
cars
that
are
what
we
call
deadline,
in
other
words
they're,
so
bad
and
the
show
the
value
of
those
cars
is
essentially
zero,
but
we
don't
have
the
money
to
replace
them,
so
we
keep
preparing
them
to
keep
them
on
the
road
you
can
see
about.
60
percent
of
our
support
vehicles
are
in
the
immediate
consideration
range
and
about
almost
50
percent
of
our
equipment.
Equipment
is
trailers,
atvs
boats,
things
like
that.
V
V
We
are
at
a
crucial
tipping
point
with
the
status
of
our
fleet
today,
and
the
current
environment,
we're
wearing
with
logistics
and
repairing
equipment
and
trying
to
get
equipment
ordered
we're
at
a
tipping
point
where
we
are
in
a
need
we're
in
a
position
where
we
need
to
act.
I
know
over
the
years
it's
been
challenging
to
fund
some
of
these
things.
I
would
encourage
us
to
see
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
do
that
today.
V
V
V
We
need
to
enter
into
a
public
private
partnership
again.
Public
works
will
be
bringing
that
initiative
forward
to
you
hopefully
soon
within
the
next
30
to
60
days,
we've
identified
a
vendor
who
is
doing
this
currently
in
the
state
of
georgia
with
two
other
fire
agencies,
and
it
is
working
tremendously.
V
V
Unfortunately,
this
will
not
be
enough
to
stave
off
significant
significant
deficits
in
our
fleet,
so
the
fire
department
is
recommending
an
aggressive
fleet
replacement
schedule
and
I'm
talking
about
taking
all
those
things
that
are
in
red
and
replacing
them,
and
I
know
that
this
is
not
good
news.
I
know
it's
an
expensive
ask,
but
this
is
what
it
boils
down
to
six
ambulances.
I
know
already
because
already
being
considered
in
arp
money,
there's
about
2.2
million
dollars
worth
of
ambulances.
V
There,
eight
of
our
engines
and
three
of
our
ladders
accounts
to
about
9.7
million
dollars
to
replace
those
pieces
of
equipment.
Those
things
need
to
be
replaced.
What
we're
recommending
is
in
2022
fiscal
year
2223,
we
add
qrvs
to
our
model.
Qrbs
are
quick
response
vehicles,
they're
suvs,
staffed
with
a
couple
of
persons
that
can
quickly
respond
to
those
low
acuity
calls
and
take
the
wear
and
tear
off
of
our
heavy
apparatus.
V
V
A
Thank
you
chief,
and
we
wanted
to
want
a
council
to
see
this
presentation
because
chief's
been
talking
for
a
while
about
the
dire
need
for
some
of
these
apparatus
to
be
able
to
continue
to
provide
the
level
of
service
that
we
have
been
providing.
So
the
city
manager
and
I
are
going
to
be
bringing
a
recommendation
to
council
on
how
to
approach
the
recommendations
that
the
chiefs
talked
about
and
come
up
with.
Some
funding
alternatives
for
council
to
look
at
councilor
huff.
T
Chief
scarper,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
understand
the
dire
need
for
the
equipment
and
everything
but
explain
to
the
council
and
the
public
how
safe
for
your
people
right
now.
V
I
would
tell
you
that
the
men
and
women
of
columbus
foreign
ems
have
done
a
tremendous
job
of
trying
to
do
the
best
they
can
with
the
equipment
they
have.
We
are
at
a
point,
unfortunately,
where
they
are
losing
faith
in
their
equipment.
V
We
had
an
incident
here
recently
where
one
of
our
members
was
injured
because
of
a
failure
of
equipment.
We
cannot
continue
the
thing.
One
of
the
things
that
keeps
me
up
at
night
is
one
of
our
pieces
of
equipment.
Failing
failing
and
a
member
or
an
entire
company
or
a
number
of
companies
are
getting
hurt
or
killed
because
of
a
failure
of
equipment.
V
I
don't
I
don't
ever
want
to
make
that
I
don't
ever
want
to
be
the
fire
chief
that
has
to
make
that
have
that
conversation
with
with
the
family
member,
but
I
would
tell
you
that
we're
doing
the
best
we
can.
Our
public
works
is
doing
the
best
we
can,
but
it
is
a
challenge.
V
A
C
Chief
scarpa,
one
of
the
things
that
I
noticed
on
there
was
that
you
talked
about
the
lieutenant
being
replaced
by
someone
else.
Is
this:
is
this
a
position
that
you
already
have
someone
that
could
fill
that
position,
or
is
this
a
position
that
we
need
to
create
or
what.
V
V
We
attempted
to
create
a
position
to
fill
that
role.
We
did
not
do
that
correctly.
What
we
wound
up
doing
was
we
reclassified
a
position
which
means
we.
We
put
somebody
in
a
position
to
fill
that
role,
but
we
didn't
fill
that
last
meeting.
We
didn't,
we
didn't
create
a
new
position
for
him,
so
we're
we're
in
a
challenge
right
now,
where
we
have
somebody
to
fill
in
that
role,
who's
doing
that
job
and
will
continue
to
do
that
job.
C
Okay,
one
of
the
the
other
things
that
comes
to
my
mind
is.
It
seems
that
lately,
we've
had
an
awful
lot
of
apartment
fires,
and
I
can
I
just
imagine
that
that
creates
quite
a
challenge
when
you
have
that
many
would
you
speak
to
that?
For
yes,.
V
V
No,
it's
unusual
for
the
city
of
columbus
for
the
city
of
our
size.
I
would
say
it
is
not
unusual
to
have
three
major
apartment,
complex
fires
in
a
year
to
have
twice,
as
many
of
that
number,
however,
is
unusual.
Several
of
them
were
were
natural.
You
know
the
result
of
mother
nature,
one
of
the
one
or
two
of
them
were
suspicious,
and
we
we
chased
those
down
as
best
we
could
one
or
two
of
them
had
to
be
turned
out
to
be
electrical
in
nature.
V
I
honestly,
I
can't
give
you
a
number,
but
we
have
displaced
a
significant
number
of
people
in
our
community
over
the
past
12
months.
It
is
a
significant
drain
on
our
resources,
and
one
of
the
challenges
that
we
have
with
apartment
fires
in
our
community
is
a
lot
of
our
apartment
buildings.
Some
of
them
are
fairly
old.
We
have
some
of
ms
woodson's
ward
that
we
had
one
the
fire
hydrant
is
so
far
removed
from
where
the
fire
was
we
had
to
relay
pump.
V
We
had
to
put
a
pump
in
the
middle
to
relay
water
to
where
the
fire
was.
If
our
councilman
house
was
standing
next
to
me
when
that
piece
of
equipment
failed-
and
it
was
it's
a
tough,
it's
a
tough
situation.
But
to
answer
your
question:
yes,
we
do
have
a
lot
of
them
this
year.
Obviously
I
don't
know
I
don't
have
any
good
answers
to
why
that
is.
There's
nothing
specific.
V
We
were,
we
were
poised
and
ready
to
go.
We
had
got
over
the
weekend.
We
had
received
indication
from
the
state
of
louis
louisiana
that
they
needed
our
assistance.
We
had
a
team
mobilized,
ready
to
go
and
at
the
last
minute
the
state
of
louisiana
pulled
the
request
and
decided
that
they
did
not
need
us,
but
we
had
a
team
of
about
22
persons
mobilized
ready
to
go
using
some
of
our
gsar
assets
that
are
state
assets.
V
That
was
going
to
cause
a
strain
on
us
in
terms
of
staffing,
but
we
have
enough
people
that
we
can
manage
it
again.
I
don't
have
quite
the
staffing
challenges
that
pd
does,
but
we
did
have
a
team
ready
to
go
with
with
our
g
sar
assets.
Had
it
been
just
columbus
assets,
I
would
not
have
endeavoured
to
send
them
nearly
that
far.
C
V
N
C
With
that,
and
but
we
did
not
send
anyone
this.
V
We
did
not
send
anyone
this
time
they
just
they
decided.
They
did
not
need
our
assistance.
I
will
say
that,
particularly
in
our
water
rescue
side,
we
have
a
water
rescue
team.
That
is
one
of
the
only
teams
in
the
state
of
georgia.
That
has
the
capabilities
that
we
have
with
our
dive
rescue
component,
so
that
makes
that
a
very
attractive
asset
for
our
our
people,
who
need
that
kind
of
resource.
V
M
Yes,
mayor
just
curiosity:
do
you
have
a
more
or
less
time
frame
when
you're
going
to
bring
something
back
to
us?
M
Okay,
because
I'm
very
concerned
with
equipment
failure,
that's
my
biggest
thing
and
I
hate
for
someone
to
get
hurt
and
then
we
react
after
the
fact.
I
prefer
us
to
be
proactive.
Yes,.
V
Ma'am,
it's
it's
unfortunate.
I
was
very
thankful
that
the
firefighter
who
was
injured
he
received
second
degree
burns.
I
mean
nobody
wants
to
get
second
degree
burns,
we're
very
fortunate
that
we
didn't
not
lose
an
entire
company
that
day.
That
could
have
been
a
lot
worse.
I
Thank
you,
mayor
chief,
thank
you
for
coming
today
and
sharing
these
challenges
with
us
and
just
bringing
us
up
to
date.
I
want
to
thank
you
and
the
men
and
women
of
columbus
fire
and
ems
for
the
wonderful
outstanding
job
you
do
for
our
community
and
taking
care
of
our
citizens.
I
just
kind
of
looking
at
this
presentation
today
and
and
trying
to
digest
it
a
little
bit
and
I
keep
asking
myself
the
question
you
know
it's
kind
of
you
know.
I
We've
been
talking
a
lot
about
some
of
the
concerns
and
public
works
that
we
have
and
dealing
with
waste
and
yard
waste
and
bulk
waste
type
issues.
Some
of
the
same
reminds
me
of
some
of
the
same
problems.
I'm
hoping
that
with
a
lot
of
the,
I
guess
in
short,
the
rescue
money.
That's
coming
that
it's
going
to
take
care
of
these
problems.
I
You
know
it
looks
like
there's
some
money
in
the
budget,
that's
taking
care
of
few
of
them,
but
not
enough,
but
I
do
question
that
when
that
money
runs
out,
what
do
you
do
then?
But
with
what
the
presentation
that
you
showed
us
today,
I
mean
I'm
just
this:
it's
gonna
cost
a
lot
of
money
to
to
stay
on
that
schedule,
and
you
know
it's
kind
of
like
I
keep
thinking
about.
You
know.
Sometimes
we
get
in
trouble
when
we
shoot
at
things
with
a
shotgun.
I
You
know
we
need
to
be
more
of
a
rifled
approach
and
targeted,
and
what
exactly
we
need
to
deal
with
and
along
those
lines
we
talk
a
lot
about
restructuring
and
and
at
times
you
just
there's,
there's
no
other
choice.
You
have
no
other
choice.
You
just
can't
keep
going
down
that
path,
because
something's
going
to
give
like
you're
talking
about
here
and
then
one
of
these
days,
we're
going
to
be
confronted
with.
We
just
won't,
have
the
funds
to
to
deal
with
some
of
these
issues.
I
So
you
know
you
you've
got
to
take
a
more
direct
approach
at
some
of
these
things.
I
don't
you
know.
Whack-A-Mo
sometimes
comes
to
my
mind
when
I
hear
about
these
matters
that
we're
dealing
with
as
a
city.
You
know
you
just
keep
trying
to
you
know
deal
with
all
of
them
and
they
just
keep
popping
back
up.
You
know
and
somehow
somehow
you're
gonna
have
to
find
a
solution.
For
that
I
have
to
be
frank
with
you.
I
I
you
know
when
you're
talking
about
matters
like
this,
you
have
to
you,
have
to
ask
yourself
some
serious
questions
and
some
of
the
things
that
was
talked
about
in
the
presentation
today
leads
me
to
just
ask
the
the
straight-up
question:
why
are
we
still
in
the
ambulance
business?
I
I
I
just
you
know,
I'm
looking
at
that,
where
we've
been
over
the
course
of
time
and
what
we've
dealt
with
and
now
where
we're
at
it's
just
like
it
seems
like
we're
getting
right
back
into
that
situation.
Again,
I
have
to
ask
myself
that
question.
I
You
know
you
in
the
presentation.
You
brought
up
a
lot
of
points
that
I
don't
know
if
they're
fixable
you're
going
to
continue
to
whether
it's
morale,
whether
it's
the
cost,
whether
it's
the
challenges,
you're
dealing
with
on
that
side,
I
just
don't
think,
there's
going
to
be
an
easy
solution
to
that
anytime
soon.
I
I
I
think
your
staff's
capable
of
putting
expenditure
a
detailed
breakdown
of
the
expenditure
list
and
then
on
the
and
then
actually
on
the
revenue
side
versus
the
cost
of
what
we
have
to
put
in
to
run
the
system.
Some
people
will
call
that
an
impact
study
you
know
or
or
a
a
type
of
audit,
just
to
understand
a
little
bit
better.
But
I
keep
asking
myself
the
question.
You
know
we're
trying
to
keep
something
going
that
we're
struggling
with
at
what
cost
and
at
what
cost
to
the
future
at
what
cost
to
the
department.
I
Should
we
be
looking
at
other
areas
and
focusing
on
our
resources
in
that
area
and
maybe
coming
up
with
a
restructuring
and
how
we
could
better
meet
the
challenges,
not
only
today,
in
the
long
run,
because
sooner
or
later,
you're
going
to
get
hit
on
both
sides
you're
going
to
get
hit
on
both
sides,
the
the
the
inflation,
the
increasing
cost
of
equipment
not
being
able
to
find
the
the
necessary
means
to
maintain
the
equipment
and
you
get
caught
in
that
rut.
I
And
then,
on
the
other
side,
you
got
challenges
as
well
in
the
private
sector
that
you're
trying
to
deal
with
whether
it's
cost
related,
whether
it's
scheduling
or
so
forth.
I
thought
for
a
while
there
we
had
a
program
that
was
worked
out
on
a
scheduling
and
a
call
side.
I
don't
know
where
that
is
today,
but
I
just
I
keep
asking
that
question
at
what
cost
sure,
and
can
we
keep
doing
this
and
maintain
it
sure?
I.
I
V
I
thank
you
for
that.
I
know
you
and
I
have
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
in
the
past
and
I
can
assure
you
and
all
council
that
once
we're
able
to
address
this
fleet
issue,
I
will
be
turning
my
majority
of
my
attention
to
addressing
a
long-term
solution
for
ems
and
I'll
bring
the
council
some
options
that
you
can
consider.
V
It
is
a
significant
challenge.
It
is
different
here
in
this
community
than
it
is
in
most
other
places
in
the
united
states,
but
I
definitely
delve
into
that
impact
study.
As
you
call
it
put
a
bunch
of
you
put
a
bunch
of
information
together
I'll
work
with
our
our
finance
director.
Getting
some
of
that
cost
data
for
you
and
be
able
to
share
that
with
you.
V
I
I
hope
there's
a
way
that
we
can
maybe
work
on
that
aspect
of
it.
I
mean
when
I
looked
at
your
presentation.
It
looked
like
half
or
over
half
of
the
challenges
were
in
that
were
in
that
area.
Yes,
sir,
so
you
know,
as
a
council,
I'm
not
going
to
get
involved
in
micromanaging
departments
and
things
like
that.
I'm
just
not
going
to
do
that.
Sometimes
we
venture
over
in
the
area.
But
it's
really
not
our
responsibility,
we're
not
the
executive
management
or
the
management,
and
we
don't.
I
We
don't
do
that.
But
we
have
to
ask
ourselves
these
questions,
because
if
we
can't
provide
the
services
or
shortfall
in
the
services
or
shortfall
on
the
revenue
side
of
being
able
to
provide
not
only
for
one
department
but
the
city
as
a
whole,
you
know
that's
not
something
that
you
can
just
keep
pushing
off
and
pushing
off
and
pushing
off,
because
it's
eventually
it's
going
to
catch
up
with
you.
I
So
absolutely
I'm
concerned
as
a
council
member
for
the
you
know,
for
the
welfare
of
our
community,
that
we
try
to
stay
ahead
of
these
challenges
and
and
find
solutions,
and
sometimes
it's
making
the
tough
decisions.
But
I
think
you
know
you,
you
know
my
thoughts
when
it
comes
to
some
of
these.
Some
of
these
points
that
you
brought
up,
but
I
mean
I
don't,
I
know
our
city,
you
know
with
the
citizens
watching
I
mean
the
only
thing
I
see
in
this
this
pandemic
and
this
coveted
environment.
I
We
we're
in
has
kind
of
exasperated
the
problems
across
the
board,
but
you're
just
going
to
have
to
look
at
new
ways
of
of
getting
it
done
and
that
you
know
I.
V
V
F
May
I
come
in
to
the
question
about
why
we're
still
in
the
ambulance,
business
and
all
and-
and
I
think
it's
an
excellent
question-
and
it
has
been
asked
from
time
to
time-
and
I
don't
know
the
answer,
but
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
share
some
historical
knowledge
and-
and
it
goes
back
to-
and
this
question
has
been
asked
before
and
and
I
can
hear
red
mcdaniel
wanting
us
not
to
get
out
of
the
ambulance
business
because
of
his
concern
at
that
time-
about
the
quality
and
level
of
care
that
we
want
to
offer
to
the
citizens
of
columbus,
georgia
and-
and-
and
you
know,
many
communities
had
private
care
and
and
ambulance
care
was
referred
to
as
meat
wagons.
F
And
it
means
you
know
without
all
the
training
without
all
the
technology,
the
equipment,
the
meat
wagon
just
rushes
out
there.
And
if
there's
a
bad
accident,
throw
you
on
the
guard
in
and
and
drive
as
fast
as
they
can.
It
gets
to
the
hospital.
But
there
were
no
paramedics.
F
I
don't
know
if
they
were
even
emts
and
we've
got
some
surrounding
communities
where
they
were
referred
to,
and
some
of
your
people
know
as
meat
wagons
and
we
didn't
want
meat
wagons.
We
wanted
our
citizens
to
receive
the
highest
level
in
quality
of
care,
and
so
we
were
in
the
ambulance
business.
We
made
sure
that
we
had
paramedics.
We
made
sure
that
we
had
emergency
medical
technicians
on
the
equipment.
F
You
cannot
get
it
back
and
so
it's
kind
of
like
when
you
did
the
natatorium,
you
turn
it
over
to
private
sector
and
then,
if
it
doesn't
go
well,
you
can't
get
it
back.
You
can't
just
go
ask
for
it
back,
but
you
could
in
the
natatorium
and
so
all
of
that
just
to
his
history
of
it.
I
think
you
need
to
know
was
what
was
considered.
F
F
A
A
Keeping
just
the
history
keep
in
mind.
One
of
the
reasons
that
we
are
in
the
shape
we're
in
is
because
we
had
a
private
ambulance
company
that
we
had
an
agreement
with
that,
just
sort
of
left
and
and
then
the
others
decided
yeah.
We
were
doing
that,
but
now
we're
not
going
to
do
that
anymore
and-
and
while
I
I
I
embrace
the
idea
of
looking
at
privatization
for
just
about
everything
we
have
just
to
make
sure
that
we're
sharpening
our
pencils
and
doing
the
best
we
can
with
our
resources.
A
I
think
it's
important.
I
think
it's
important,
that
we
recognize
that
that
stuff
happens
when
you're
working
with
a
private
vendor
the
natatorium.
As
you
pointed
out
right,
there
was
a
lot
of
promise
and
under
under
deliver
yeah,
and
I
mean
you
can
sue
them.
But
what
what's
that
going
to
do?
You
still
have
that
issue,
and
now
you've
divested
yourself
of
all
of
your,
your
your
resources
and
your
capital
items
that
make
it
different.
So
I'm
not
saying
we
don't
look
at
it.
A
A
F
They
got
the
city
ambulance
and
they
went
down
a
particular
street
and
up
a
particular
street
and
over
particular
street
to
the
hospital,
and
they
received
a
bill
for
800
dollars
and
one
week
later
they
dialed
9-1-1
and
the
private
ambulance
rolls
up.
They
went
down
the
same
street
across
to
the
next
street
and
down
to
the
street
to
the
hospital
same
route.
F
F
It's
because
it's
I
mean
once
you
turn
it
over.
You
don't
control
what
the
private
sector
will
charge,
but
for
citizens
you
can
keep
the
rate
contained
because
you're
taking
care
of
your
citizens,
and
so
it's
a
matter
of
what
you
want
to
do
for
your
citizens
and
and
read
mcdaniel
just
was
steadfast
about
it
was,
was
not
movable,
and
so
I
just
wanted
you
to
know
the
history
council,
davis.
I
Mississippi
manager,
I
do
know
the
history
and
you
know
I
guess
we
can
agree
to
disagree,
but
I
mean
when
you
put
the
whole
facts
out.
There
is
another
side
of
the
story
and
when
you
look
at
the,
I
guess
the
industry
of
ems
is
it
well.
Let's
just
say.
I
Emergency
services
that
are
out
there,
whether
it's
private
or
whether
it's
public,
these
are
all
paramedics,
they're
all
trained.
They
have
to
have
paramedics
as
well.
A
lot
of
these
paramedics
are
our
paramedics
that
are
working
for
the
private
carrier,
so
that
needs
to
be
noted
as
well,
but
I
think
the
when
you,
when
you
talk
about
this
in
a
hole,
it's
not
that
we're
giving
up
a
service,
we're
just
restructuring
to
find
a
better
way
to
do
it.
We
have
talked
many
many
times
again
in
our
paramedics
on
the
trucks.
I
I
think
we
still
need
to
do
that.
I
think
our
paramedics
do
a
good
job
at
triaging
on
the
site.
Then
you
start
talking
about
a
matter
of
transportation,
transportation
and
transport
to
the
hospital
is
a
whole
another
issue.
That's
a
whole
other
issue,
who's
doing
it
in
the
field.
You
know
just
depending
on
who
they
are.
I
guess
you
can
weigh
their
level
of
expertise,
but
I
think
they're
all
trained.
I
think
they
all
get
their
paramedic
license
equally
and
they're
quite
capable
of
doing
the
job.
I
As
far
as
some
of
the
conversations
we
had
here
not
long
ago,
is
that
we
opened
up
our
fire
stations
to
the
private
carriers
and
we
dictated
the
terms-
and
I
still
think
that's
possible,
so
I
don't
know
what
these
the
you
know:
I've
I've
heard.
I
know
what
all
the
issues
are.
There
were
three
major
issues
over
the
years.
One
was
a
license.
One
was
a
cost
and
one
was
the
service
provided
that
we
didn't
have
any
carriers
that
were
here
nobody's
talking
about
giving
up
a
license.
I
I
think
that
I,
I
think
you
it's
just
a
matter
of
being
savvy
enough
to
figure
out
how
to
deal
with
cost
and
then
on
the
service
side
too.
It's
just
a
matter
of
making
it
all
blend
and
mesh.
But
my
point
is
that
when
you're
struggling,
you
can
keep
going
down
this
route.
You
keep
going
down
this
path,
but
one
day
it's
gonna
it
it's
gonna
blow
up
in
your
face.
I'm
just
telling
you
it's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
cost
and
I
don't
know
if
we've
got
the
resources
to
make
it
happen.
I
F
I
F
I
F
I
can
assure
you
to
do
their
business.
I
can
assure
you,
without
calling
cities
that
you
had
ambulance
services
that
were
taking
place
where
they
did
not
have
paramedics,
they
did
not
have
the
equipment
and-
and
some
of
them
were
the
ambulance
service.
Hearst
might
go,
get
you
for
ambulance
service
I
may
be,
but
not
in
columbus
joy.
That
may
be
true,
but.
V
W
I
think
I
can
bring
a
unique
perspective
of
this
because
I
think
c
major
and
I
we
actually
talked
a
while
back
about
privatization,
and
you
explain
the
reasons
why
and
I
mean
I've
had
the
unfortunate
experience
of
having
both
a
private
carrier
and
a
public
carry
and
our
city
ambulances
to
deal
with
in
the
past
two
years,
and
I've
also
met
with
chief
scarpa,
and
I
can
tell
you
I
mean
I
was
all
about
privatization
until
my
wife
had
had
we,
you
know
she,
she
had
a
scare
with
covid
and
had
to
be
taken
and
one
of
our
c
ambulances
came
and
they
insisted
on
taking
her.
W
I
mean
they.
You
know
her
blood
action
wasn't
horrible,
but
they
insisted
on
taking
her
took
great
care
of
her,
and
I
also
say
I
mean
the
ambulance.
Bill
was
very
reasonable
and
I'm
the
only
person
here
on
council
who
can
say
that
with
authority
that
I've
got
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
cases
every
year
as
a
personal
injury
attorney,
where
I
see
ambulance
bills
and
we're
talking
what
c
manager
talked
about
was
on
the
low
side.
W
I
see
from
1200
up
to
3
000
and
there's
also
collusion
on
the
private
side,
where
I
see
on
a
very,
very
regular
basis,
particularly
in
the
grange
area,
where
an
ambulance
could
make
it
to
piedmont
quicker.
They
are
life
like
life
lighting,
correct
people
when
they
shouldn't
be.
It's
not
necessarily
a
serious
injury,
but
I
have
serious
concerns
about
the
cost,
and
I
can
tell
you
the
ambulance
I
picked
up.
My
wife
was
fantastic
could
have
gone
through
an
intersection
taking
a
hit.
W
It
was
built
like
a
tank,
it
was
a
city
ambulance
and
then
the
the
private
ambulance
that
came
out
looked
like
an
amazon
delivery
truck.
It
looked
like
if
somebody
if
they
had
gone
through
an
intersection
and
they
had
been
knit
everybody
would
have
been
scattered,
they
would
have
been
injured
and
what
really
upset
me
was
about.
The
private
ambulance
service
was
that
one
actually
went
for
me
personally.
It
was
from
somebody
at
church
and
there
were
definite
signs
of
a
stroke.
I
mean
I
just
had
gone
through
one
myself.
W
So
I'd
seen
what
had
happened
and
they
let
him
basically
said
he
could
drive
home
columbus
fire
and
ems
insisted.
I
mean
with
my
wife.
They
said
we
need
to
make
sure
you're.
Okay,
we
make
sure
everything's
all
right.
I
mean
I'm
pretty
confident.
I
mean
they
took
the
guys
to
saint
francis
by
a
personal
car
les
wife
taken,
but
they
were
not
qualified
like
our
our
folks.
Are
they?
I
don't
know
what
their
qualifications
were,
but
they
took
his
pulse.
W
They
didn't
ask
him
the
questions
about
whether
or
not
you
know
that
would
qualify
a
stroke.
It
was
not
the
same
quality
of
care,
and
I
mean
I'm
saying
this
from
somebody.
I
was
all
about
privatization
if
it
could
save
the
city
money,
but
from
a
practical
standpoint,
it's
just
not
the
same
quality,
nine,
the
vehicles,
nine,
the
price,
nine,
the
service-
and
I
mean
you
all
know.
I
always
come
to
you
about
privatization
for
anything
and
chief
scarface.
W
Convinced
me
it
wasn't
a
good
idea,
and
so
I
mean
I
I
back
up
with
the
city
manager
says
I
mean
I've
got
the
evidence
from
my
own
cases.
As
far
as
the
pricing.
M
Yes,
sir,
not
to
be
redundant,
but
chief,
I
tend
to
agree
with
the
city
manager
and
with
with
walker,
because
I
had
the
same
incident
years
ago
and
I
was
in
shock.
You
know
the
price
of
the
private
versus
the
city
and
the
quality
was
much
better
for
the
city
than
it
was
in
the
private
sector.
M
Matter
of
fact,
when
that
first
came,
I
I
was
very
young
in
council.
I
even
brought
it
up.
I
said,
oh,
my
god
are
we
charging
people
this
much
money
and
that's
when
I
found
out
it
was
actually
a
private,
and
I
didn't
realize
that
when
you
call
you
never
know
if
you're
getting
a
city
ambulance
or
are
you
getting
a
private
ambulance
and
the
cost
is
different
on
both
on
both
entities.
M
H
M
M
I
might
be
biased
when
it
comes
to
you
guys,
but
please
bring
what
you
need
and
keep
keep
that
in
mind.
Sometimes
it's
okay
to
save
money,
but
are
you
gonna
sacrifice
the
quality
and
a
lot
of
our
citizens?
You
know
they're
barely
making
it.
You
know
they're
two
and
three
jobs.
V
V
The
credit
to
our
personnel-
I
I
say
we
have
world-class
service,
we
yeah
we're
accredited,
yes,
we're
iso
class,
one
we've
got
great
people,
we've
got
people
who
care
about
this
community
and
care
about
providing
the
best
service
that
we
possibly
can
with
the
resources
that
we
have-
and
I
can
I
can
attest
to
that-
and
the
folks
behind
me
are
just
a
tip
of
the
iceberg
of
that.
C
As
someone
who,
in
the
last
three
months,
I've
had
two
ambulance
rides
and,
quite
frankly,
I
didn't
care
who
was
coming
to
get
me
when
I
heard
that
siren,
I
knew
they
were
on
their
way
and
I
was
on
my
way
the
the
guys
from
station
14,
terrific,
the
private
care
ambulance,
folks,
terrific,
but
so
many
of
our
citizens
don't
understand
the
difference
between
our
city,
firefighters
and
the
private
ambulance,
and
they
don't
understand
that
there's
a
difference
in
the
in
the
price.
C
This
does
not
mean
to
me
that
we
don't
look
at
this,
that
we
don't
look
at
what
would
it
mean
to
be
to
have
to
turn
over
to
a
private
aim?
We
may
not.
That
may
not
be
what
we
want
to
do,
but
we
don't
cut
that
out.
We
don't
cut
that
option
out,
but
I,
as
I
said
when
you
hear
when
you're
lying
on
the
floor
and
can't
move-
and
you
hear
the
ambulance
coming,
you
don't
care
who
they
are
as
long
as
they
get
there
and
get
there
quickly
and.
X
C
V
You
I
I
tell
our
folks
all
the
time
our
citizens
expect
three
basic
things.
When
you
call
9-1-1,
they
want
a
prompt
response.
They
want
a
professional
response.
You
have
to
be
able
to
handle
the
problem
and
they
want
you
to
have
just
a
little
bit
of
compassion.
That's
really
what
they
get,
they
don't
care.
What
name
is
on
the
side
of
the
ambulance?
V
If
you
can
provide
those
three
things-
and
I
and
I
teach
that
I
tell
that
to
our
folks-
and
I
think
we
live
that
and
you're
right,
our
citizens,
most
of
our
citizens,
don't
know
the
difference
between
the
two.
It's
again,
this
city
is
relatively
unique
across
the
country
and
having
this
kind
of
structure,
it's
challenging
for
our
community
to
understand
that,
I'm
always
glad
when
somebody
calls
to
complain-
and
I
find
out
the
ambulance
is
not
ours.
I
can
send
that
complaint
to
them.
V
A
Thank
you,
one
more
counselor
davis
thanks.
I
I
You
know
when
I
look
at
the
big
picture,
I'm
just
like
well
gosh
when
the
money
runs
out
when
washington
no
longer
is
there
to
help
out
and
they're
not
sending
money
out
to
the
city,
I
mean
we
got
to
keep
it
going
and
right
now
that's
a
concern.
I
have
if
we're
going
to
be
able
to
meet
that
challenge,
because
those
trucks
are
all
those
fire.
Trucks
are
all
well
over
a
million
dollars
right,
pretty
clean
and
you
just
made
the
point
that
you
know
we
got
to
keep
it
coming
and
they're.
I
You
know
hard
to
get
these
days
and
I
imagine
all
the
other
cities
as
well
are
looking
to
to
do
the
same
thing.
But
if
that's
the
case,
you
know
it's
just
it
it's.
You
have
to
ask
yourself
that
question
because
I
don't
know
if
it's
sustainable,
absolutely
that's
the
point.
I'm
making
can
we
sustain
this
and
it
may
be.
I
I
So
that's
all
I'm
saying
yes,
sir,
and
I
think
you
heard
me
you
you,
you
heard
what
I
what
I
asked
and
what
I'm
looking
for
and-
and
I
appreciate
that
again
as
I
started-
I
think
the
men
and
women
of
columbus
fire
and
ems.
I
think
that,
like
I
said,
I
think,
they're
outstanding
they
do
an
outstanding
job
and
people
know
that
our
our
citizens
love
them
and
just
keep
up
the
good
work.
I
I
know
it's
not
easy
for
you
and
your
command
staff
to
come
here
today
and
make
these
presentations.
It's
not
easy
for
us,
and
you
know
we
just
got
to
keep
trying
to
find
solutions
and
work
through
all
this
stuff
and
then
and
make
it
work.
So.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I.
V
P
We
respond
to
9-1-1
calls
that's
what
we
do
we're
the
first
responders
and
when
the
individuals
on
the
other
side
of
the
phone
request,
the
police
services
we're
going
to
respond
and
we're
there
to
protect
lives
and
and
property.
As
we
go
about
our
enforcement
duties
each
day,
and
we
will
definitely
proactively
patrol
our
assigned
areas
as
we
go
forth
on
the
job.
P
Our
job
involves
many
facets.
Some
of
those
are
regarding
conducting
preliminary
investigations
as
it
may
relate
to
a
criminal,
related,
offense
or
traffic
related
events
officers.
We
work
to
provide
the
best
possible
case
and
putting
the
case
together,
conducting
interviews,
interviews
and
making
the
necessary
arrests
as
it
applies
to
the
cases
we
are
assigned
to
as
we
prepare
for
court
presentation,
and
so
we
are
always
striving
to
do
the
very
best
job.
P
P
P
That's
not
to
say
that
the
use
of
force
incidents
have
decreased
significantly,
but
it
is
to
say
that
our
use
of
force
incidents
go
through
an
evaluation
process
where
each
supervisor,
along
the
way
within
that
chain
of
command.
For
the
officer
who
used
force,
we
reviewed
the
use
of
force
documentation
to
ensure
the
accuracy
of
the
particular
incident
has
taken
place.
So
there
is
not
a
decrease
thus
far
of
this
nature,
but
these
these
reports
are
continuing
through
the
process.
P
So,
as
they
continue
through
the
process,
we
will
be
able
to
see
our
numbers
reflect
that.
So,
if
I
were
to
give
a
presentation
once
those
reports
have
been
reviewed-
and
you
see
the
numbers
change,
it
doesn't
mean
that
all
of
a
sudden
there's
a
significant
increase
in
use
of
force
incidents.
It
just
means
that
the
the
reports
are
being
reviewed.
P
Also,
you
see,
in
addition
to
that,
you
see
the
number
of
arrests
associated
with
the
use
of
force
incidents.
So
you
see,
based
on
the
the
arrests
that
we're
making
not
too
often
with
officers,
have
to
result
in
using
force.
Sometimes
we
do,
but,
as
the
numbers
indicate
here,
it's
not
very
often
that
officers
have
to
use
force
in
relation
to
the
number
of
arrests
that
have
been
made,
and
especially
when
you
see
the
number
of
calls
that
our
officers
have
been
dispatched
to.
P
They
may
use
that
particular
option
as
being
the
taser
to
to
try
to
apprehend
the
particular
individual.
That's
resisting
arrest
and
we've
noticed
over
the
course
of
the
year
several
years
where
this
taser
force
option
is
the
one
that
has
been
utilized
more
so
than
the
other
options,
although
other
options
have
been
utilized
over
the
course
of
years
and,
of
course,
that
one
that's
showing
now
for
2021
was
a
taser
as
well.
P
So
we
talked
about
use
of
force.
We
talked
about
cause
for
service,
but
now
a
very
interesting
topic
to
consider
on
our
objectives
to
discuss
is
our
recruitment
and
retention
numbers,
as
you
see
on
this
particular
slide,
ranging
from
the
beginning
of
2020
to
the
entire
year
for
2020,
the
number
of
applications
that
have
been
submitted
to
the
police
department
have
decreased
and,
as
we
see
the
even
from
january
of
this
year,
through
through
july
of
2021,
the
number
of
applications
that
have
been
submitted
have
reduced
over
the
course
of
the
years.
P
As
far
as
the
number
of
applicants
that
we
receive
versus
the
hiring
percentage,
what
we
also
need
to
take
notice
of
is
and
we'll
see,
that
trending
on
another
slide,
that
I'll
show.
You
is
the
number
of
officers
that
have
actually
departed
from
our
department,
whether
it's
through
resignation,
retirement
or
determination.
P
P
P
Positions
are
vacant
now
of
those
156
positions
of
the
vacant.
24
of
those
positions
are
unfunded
and
they
were
they
have
been
unfunded
over
the
course
of
the
years
for
various
projects
that
the
police
department
has
engaged
in,
and
so
so
that
leaves
around
130
something
positions
that
that
we're
actually
actively
vacant.
Of
course,
that
number
is
fluid.
It
goes
up
and
down
depending
upon
what's
taking
place.
P
Here
this
slide
shows
a
little
bit
more
of
an
introspective
look
as
to
the
increase
in
percentage-wise
in
in
part
one
crimes.
So,
overall
we
are
seeing
about
a
71
increase
in
violent
crimes
that
have
taken
place
in
our
community
and
that's
from
comparing
january
2020
through
july
of
2020
to
january
2021,
to
july
of
2021.
P
R
R
Y
There
is
president
biden
addressing
the
epidemic
of
gun,
violence,
gripping
america
and
this
week,
abc
news
teamed
up
with
our
partner
stations
across
the
country
and
end
the
gun,
violence
archive
to
track
shootings.
Every
day
this
week,
our
chief
just
correspondent,
pierre
thomas,
has
been
tracking
what's
driving
the
surge
and
what
can
be
done
to
stop
it.
Z
Z
Z
AA
Z
All
together
an
unspeakable
toll,
more
than
39
dead,
94
wounded
under
age
18
and
of
the
deceased
six
children
under
12..
We
also
saw
mass
shootings
play
out
across
the
country
18
incidents
in
12
communities,
including
one
that
senselessly
took
the
life
of
corey,
saunders
and
wounded
four
others.
Mass
shootings
are
up
a
lot.
Z
S
Z
Z
Z
New
york
city
saw
a
73
percent
increase
in
shootings
in
may
2021,
compared
to
the
same
time.
Last
year,
on
tuesday,
commissioner
dermot
shea
told
us,
a
lethal
mix
of
factors
is
largely
driving.
The
surge
gang
violence,
budget
cuts
covet
shutting
down
the
courts,
leaving
a
backlog
of
more
than
5
thousand
gun
cases.
Taking
the.
Z
Q
Z
AB
Z
G
Z
And
now
there's
reports
of
shots
fired
at
another
end
of
the
city,
a
shooting
outside
this
restaurant
famous
for
its
cheese
sticks.
That's
a
shell
casing
right
on
the
ground
right
there
see
where
the
white
circles
drawn
around
it.
I
don't
know
what
it
is
you
get
closer
to
two
o'clock
stuff
starts
popping
as
we
waited
at
the
scene,
the
horrible
news,
so
he
he
was
the
dog
this
season.
The
person
here
died.
Z
AC
V
Z
P
N
H
Now,
on
wjcl
22
morning,
news,
a
mass
shooting
in
savannah
nine
shot
one
killed
children
among
the
injured,
a
neighborhood
shut
down,
and
we
are
going
to
look
live
right
now
at
the
scene.
This
morning
we
have
live
pictures
coming
in
at
this
hour,
we're
going
to
get
to
that
in
just
a
moment.
Here,
the
savannah
police
department
is
still
sifting
through
that
evidence
trying
to
find
out
who
was
responsible
for
this
shooting
thanks.
H
So
much
for
starting
your
day
with
us
right
here
on
wjcl
news,
I'm
emma
hamilton
officials
reacted
overnight
to
the
shooting
in
the
heart
of
the
city,
mayor
van
johnson
wrote
on
social
media.
Like
so
many
other
cities
in
the
nation,
savannah
has
been
victimized
by
a
mass
shooting.
He
also
asked
for
the
community's
help
with
tips
and
leads
using
the
hashtag
say
something
the
shooting
occurred
on
avery
street,
just
off
of
east
oglethorpe
avenue
you're.
Looking
at
a
map
right
now,
our
reporter
daniel
robinson
is
live
out
at
that
scene
right
now
daniel.
X
AD
We're
staying
on
top
of
breaking
news
another
busy
overnight
from
metro
atlanta
police
were
tracking
at
least
five
shootings,
four
of
them
turning
deadly
atlanta
police
searching
for
a
suspect
this
morning,
who
they
say,
traded
gunfire
with
an
off-duty
officer
in
a
busy
area
for
nightlife
in
northeast
atlanta,
christy
diaz
following
the
latest
for
us
from
apd
headquarters
christy.
How
did
this
all
start.
AE
It
started
as
a
fight
at
a
gas
station
and
then
spilled
out
into
the
street.
Let's
show
you
some
video
from
the
scene
we
shot
earlier
in
the
night.
It
was
at
this
exxon
gas
station
on
edgewood
avenue
around
11
30
at
night.
When
some
a
group
of
people
got
into
a
fight,
it
started
as
an
argument
and
then
eventually
escalated
into
physical
blows.
AE
It
moved
into
the
street
and
around
the
corner
where
an
apd
officer
was
working,
an
overtime
detail
and
he
was
watching
as
one
person
started
shooting
so
that
officer
fired
back
from
the
scene.
We
could
tell
at
least
nine
shots
were
fired,
so
it
really
is
incredible
that
nobody
was
shot.
Everybody
had
left
the
scene
by
the
time
more
officers
arrived
to
investigate
so
now,
they're,
looking
at
surveillance,
video
and
talking
to
witnesses
to
find
out
more
sheba
and
chrissy.
What.
N
N
P
N
C
P
P
Works
good
when
it
works.
I
was
actually
here
yesterday
and
went
through
the
entire
presentation
and
it
worked.
But
nonetheless,
the
point
I
want
to
make
is
that
crime
is
occurring
in
several
different
locations,
and
I
know
our
focus
is
columbus
and
we
will
maintain
a
laser
focus
on
what
takes
place
within
columbus
and
so
for
the
reasons
that
I've
identified
earlier
regarding
our
crime
numbers
that
have
taken
place.
Our
strategies
to
address
our
parliament
crimes
or
violent
criminal
activity.
That's
taken
place
is
to
implement
our
crime
suppression
unit.
P
So,
in
these
hot
spot
locations
some
would
be
locations
where
international's
cases
were
taking
place.
We've
noticed
a
lot
of
situations
where
individuals,
vehicles
are
broken
into
and
several
of
those
vehicles
are
left,
unlocked
and
firearms
are
stolen
from
these
vehicles
and
these
firearms
have
been
utilized
in
in
other
violent
criminal
activities.
P
And
as
we
look
at
that
first
month
and
a
half
in
which
I
was
referring
to
before
implementing
our
crime
suppression
efforts
compared
to
since
that
time,
when
we
implemented
our
crime
suppression
efforts,
we
were
averaging
like
about
six
murders
a
month
and
prior
to
implementing
the
crime
suppression
efforts
since
that
time
that
that
rate
the
average
has
slightly
decreased.
Of
course,
we
would
like
to
see
a
situation
where
that's
zero,
but
nonetheless
that
had
there
was
a
slight
decrease.
P
P
We
have
conducted
hiring
events
and
we
will
continue
to
work
with
our
partners
to
conduct
hiring
events.
We've
we've
partnered
with
goodwill,
we
have
a
continued
continued
visits
at
fort
benning
to
recruit
soldiers
from
fort
benning
who
are
transitioning
out
of
the
military,
even
without
consulting
the
government.
We've
had
hiring
events
that
we've
attended.
P
P
So
if
we
were
to
have
the
opportunity
to
recruit
individuals
anywhere
from
one
to
five
years
of
service
and
then
have
that
have
them
come
with
that
particular
salary,
then
that
would
put
us
in
a
position
where
we
have
the
opportunity
to
recruit,
experienced
officers
who
will
come
in
and
be
able
to
have
a
salary,
that's
commensurate
with
their
level
of
experience.
In
other
words,
we
want
to
recruit
experienced
officers
in
addition
to
the
brand
new
officers
that
we
are
currently
recruiting.
P
P
We
want
to
increase
that
by
20
positions
and
have
a
total
of
25
cadets
that
so
we
want
to
build
like
a
forum
system,
so
to
speak,
where
we
have
cadets,
we
bring
the
board
and
they'll
be
able
to
learn
the
culture
and
climate
of
our
department
and
they'll
be
able
to
move
through
the
steps
of
being
the
cadet,
then,
with
the
intention
of
them
graduating
to
be
in
police
officers.
So,
as
our
cadets
learn
their
internal
administrative
roles,
they
will
be
able
to
assist
in
our
quartermaster
unit.
P
But
the
external
component
is
what
we
want
to
expand
upon,
is
being
able
to
have
our
cadets
be
able
to
assist
on
the
riverwalk
area
and
where
they
would.
They
would
not
have
law
enforcement
authority,
but
they
will
be
visible.
They
will
be
able
to
assist
our
officers
by
calling
in
information
to
our
dispatcher
or
contacting
the
swarm
police
officer
to
address
a
particular,
a
particular
situation
that
they
may
they
may
be
made
aware
of
so,
but
they
would.
The
cadet
would
not
actively
engage
in
any
criminal
activity.
P
They
would
ride
atvs
along
the
riverwalk
and
be
visible
to
provide
assistance,
and
if
there
is
a
need
to
be
able
to
complete
any
minor
report
where
there
is
the
likelihood
of
no
immediate
arrest,
they
would
be
able
to
assist
in
that
area
as
well.
So
they
will
be
able
to
help
more
with
community
engagement.
P
In
addition
to
that,
they
will
be
able
to
assist
with
community
engagement
in
our
uptown
area,
where
they'll
be
able
to
help
with
security
checks
and
be
able
to
interact
with
the
owners
in
that
area
as
well,
and
just
be
able
to
provide
a
visual
presence
for
manpower
and
help
to
deter
any
criminal
activity
simply
by
their
presence
and
by
their
ability
to
be
able
to
contact
9-1-1
or
one
of
our
sworn
officers.
To
assist.
P
We've
had
discussion
regarding
our
parks.
These
cadets
will
be
able
to
be
assigned
to
the
parks
and
again,
their
presence
will
serve
as
the
deterrence
and
they'll
be
able
to
ride
atvs
and
walk
through
our
city
parks
and
be
able
to
report
any
criminal
activity
that
takes
place
in
those
particular
areas
and
they're,
of
course,
they'll
be
able
to
make
contact
with
our
citizens
and
and
provide
assistance
where
needed
and
that
that
would
allow
this
would
allow
our
cadets
to
be
able
to
go
to
each
park
within
the
city.
P
So,
as
I
stated
earlier,
as
far
as
trying
to
develop
that
pipeline
or
that
form
system.
So
to
speak
for
our
cadets,
we
want
to
our
cadets
start
out
with
a
pay
grade
10,
but
we
want
to
be
able
to
put
put
them
in
the
position
where
they're
able
to
advance
to
different
pay
grades
as
they
proceed
towards
becoming
the
police
officer.
P
So
they'll
start
at
pay
grade
10,
but
then
they
will
be
able
to
advance,
within
a
matter
of
six
months,
still
being
the
cadet
one,
but
being
able
to
move
to
a
pay
grade
11
and
then,
after
being
the
cadet
for
a
year.
They
will
be
able
to
graduate
to
be
in
the
cadet
two
position
when
pay
grade
12,
and
this
will
put
them
in
the
position
where
they
would
be
either
19
or
20
years
of
age,
because
they
would
start
out
at
age
18.
P
P
Some
of
the
associated
costs.
Expanding
our
cadet
program
will
include
uniform
costs
and
the
various
items
that
they
would
need
to
accompany
them
with
their
uniform.
In
addition
to
that,
we
would
need
equipment
for
our
cadets,
and
you
notice
on
this
particular
slide
the
equipment
that
they
would
have.
But
then
you
notice
that
it's
budget
neutral
and
the
reason
why
it's
budget
neutral
is
because
I
would
request
the
counselor
to
to
consider
to
reclassify
20
police
officer
positions
to
allow
this
expansion
of
the
cadet
program
to
take
place.
P
This
is
what
our
officers
are
currently
receiving,
but,
in
addition
to
our
retention
strategies,
we
want
to
look
at
ways
to
improve
morale,
because
we
notice
on
exit
interviews.
Our
officers
have
stated
that
pay
is
a
concern,
is
the
reason
why
some
officers
have
decided
to
leave
our
department
in
addition
to
that
they've
communicated
work
hours.
P
So,
on
the
21st
of
this
month,
we
went
to
a
new
shift
schedule
for
our
patrol
division
to
allow
officers
to
have
less
time
less
physical
time
actually
at
work,
but
being
able
to
provide
the
same
quality
service
while
they
are
at
work.
So,
in
other
words,
our
officers
now
will
work
a
10
hour
shift
and
we
are
assessing
this
for
about
a
three
or
four
month
period
to
see
with
this
be
able
to
improve
morale
within
our
department,
as
several
officers
who
have
left
stated
work
hours
as
being
a
concern.
P
Previously,
prior
to
this
particular
schedule,
officers
were
required
to
work
six
consecutive
days
and
they
communicated
that
this
was
taxing
on
them,
and
so
now
they
are
work
four
consecutive
days
with
before
they
receive
an
off
day.
So
working
this
10
hour
shift
for
four
consecutive
days
is
something
that
we
hope
that
would
be
able
to
address
some
of
the
morale
concerns.
P
P
P
We
will
provide
responsive
law
enforcement
and
we're
committed
to
our
core
values,
and
we
will
remain
committed
to
our
core
values
and,
as
we
work
towards
being
able
to
answer
our
911
calls
and
work
towards
enforcing
laws
to
reduce
part
one
crimes
or
violent
crimes.
From
incurring
as
we
work
towards
recruiting
our
officers,
we
will
always
stay
true
to
our
mission,
which
is
to
provide
the
best
possible
service
to
our
community.
A
Any
questions
for
the
chief-
I
I
want
to
say
chief
blackman,
that
and
and
for
your
your
chiefs
out
in
the
audience
as
well.
It's
been
a
it's
been
a
trying
time
for
everybody,
but
for
I
think
for
your
organization
and
for
organizations,
your
industry,
it's
been
especially
challenging,
and
I
just
I've
got
to
take
an
opportunity
to
say
that
you
have
the
gratitude.
A
You
all
have
the
gratitude
of
the
people
in
this
community.
Many
of
us
understand
short
staffed
working,
going
from
call
to
call
to
call
working
in
an
environment
right
now
where
the
entire
country
seems
to
lost.
It,
have
lost
its
sense
of
decency
and
humanity
and
we're
seeing
innocence
killed
by
people
that
have
that
have
no
regard
for
what
happens
after
a
bullet
leaves
a
gun
that
have
an
inability
to
settle
differences.
A
It
sickens
me
it
sickens
everybody
that
has
to
watch
this
stuff
and-
and
we
know
what
a
what
a
tremendous
effort
it
takes
on
your
people's
part,
especially
the
patrol
officers
and
the
investigators
as
they're
out
there
putting
the
pieces
together
to
try
to
catch
these
folks.
I
just
would
implore
and
beg
anybody
in
the
community
that
has
any
information
if
they
see
something
say
something
I
mean
this,
that's
the
only
way
this
will
stop
is
if
we
hold
the
people
that
are
doing
this
stuff,
accountable
block
them
away
for
as
long
as
the
law.
I
You
mayor
iac
of
the
same
sentiments
and
same
comments,
mayor
just
just
stated,
but
I
just
want
to
just
like,
I
think,
the
fire
and
ems
department.
I
want
to
thank
the
men
and
women
of
cpd
and
I
won't
even
throw
the
sheriff's
office
in
there.
I
don't
want
to
don't
want
to
miss
anybody,
but
just
really
appreciate
everything
that
the
men
and
women
do
for
our
community
and
and
it's
not
an
easy
job,
just
not
an
easy
job.
It's
a
tough
job
and
just
keep
up
the
good
fight.
You
know.
I
That's
all
you
can
do
is
just
keep
fighting
the
good
fight
and
and
know
that
we
appreciate
you
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
carry
that
back
with
you
and
let
all
the
officers
know
that
that
that
we
really
appreciate
them
under
circumstances
and
where
they're
at
today-
and
I
I
personally
what
I
wanted
mayor,
I
think
it
was
under
retention
strategies.
I
You
know
I'm
an
advocate
and
a
fan
of
some
of
these
extra
duties
that
our
men
and
women
in
public
safety
do,
and
I'm
an
advocate
for
for
rewarding
them
in
that
that
area,
and
I
I
would
be
in
full
support
of
that.
I
hope
that
we
look
into
that
and
maybe
soon
that
we
can
do
something
in
that
area.
A
S
A
You
will
because
we've
we've,
our
chief
and
I've,
talked
about
about
the
cadet
program
and
the
fact
that
you
know
if
a
lot
of
the
positions
that
have
not
been
filled,
these
actually
fill
positions,
because
those
cadets
will
stay,
ideally
until
they're
able
to
go,
become
post-certified.
So
it's
it's
really
spending
money
on
those
officers.
So,
yes,
you
will
you'll
get
a
an
official
request.
I'm
sure.
C
P
Our
officers
well
so
our
officers
they
expressed
their
interest
to
share
in
those
particular
areas,
for
example
like
field
training
officers,
they
would
go
to
a
particular
school
to
be
certified
to
become
a
field
training
officer
they
put
in
for
that
training
and
as
they
become
certified,
no
one
particularly
directs
them
to
go
there.
That's
that
officer's
desire
to
volunteer
to
go
to
that
training
to
to
train
other
officers
in
our
department.
P
Swat
team
individuals-
they
they
try
out
five
swat
teams
and,
as
they
volunteer
to
try
out
to
meet
the
seek
and
they
meet
the
standards
and
requirements
and
as
they
meet
the
standards
and
requirements,
then
they
may
give
the
opportunity
to
be
placed
on
our
swat
team,
for
example.
Q
U
AF
Let's
get
started,
this
is
an
update.
My
last
update
was
in
october
of
20.
and
just
kind
of
to
bring
you
up.
When
I
did
my
update
on
october
9
of
2020,
we
had
received
up
to
80
requests
and
they
come
in
a
lot
of
different
forms.
Requests
for
speed
tables,
just
requests
involving
speeding,
requests
for
four-way
stops
for
some
reason,
people
think
a
four-way
stock
will
slow
cars
down
when
it
really
doesn't
or
a
reduction
in
a
speed
limit,
and
today,
since
october
of
2020,
we
have
received
100
additional
requests.
AF
So
you
can
see.
This
is
a
very
common
request.
What
we
find
out
in
that-
and
this
is
common-
and
this
is
based
on
the
historical
information
that
we've
had
for
10
plus
years-
is
generally
there's
really
not
a
big
speeding
problem.
A
lot
of
it
is
a
perception
where
a
resident
may
be
in
their
yard
and
a
car
goes
by
at
the
speed
limit
or
maybe
a
little
above,
and
they
think
the
cars
are
speeding.
It
just
feels
fast
when
you're
standing
there
close
by.
AF
We
recently
had
a
traffic
study
done
on
8th
street
13th
street
and
17th
avenue.
These
are
corridor
studies
that
we
have
underway
right
now
and
just
for
an
example,
the
results
of
those
studies
were
85th.
Percentile
was
going
on.
8Th
street
was
going
30
miles
an
hour
which
it
was
the
speed
limit.
They
were
going
so
that
means
85
percent
of
the
cars
were
going
30
or
lower.
AF
So
there's
really
not
a
speeding
problem.
There
may
be
one
or
maybe
less
than
a
handful
of
cars
that
may
have
been
exceeding
that
on
13th
street,
which
is
a
major
city
corridor,
85th
percentile,
depending
on
the
direction,
was
going
40
or
37..
AF
So
the
speed
limit
there
is
35,
so
they
were
going
just
a
little
bit
over
the
speed
limit
on
17th
avenue,
the
85th
percentile,
the
posted
speed
was
30
and
in
one
direction
they
were
going
35
in
the
other
direction.
They
were
going
33.
So
again,
a
large
majority
of
the
traffic
is
going
the
speed
limit,
or
maybe
just
a
few
miles
an
hour
over.
So
that's
why
we're
not
rushing
out
putting
up
speed
tables
that
we
get
requests
for?
AF
They
think
that's
the
magic
answer,
and
I
just
want
to
mention,
because
we
do
have
the
corridor
studies
for
8th,
13th
and
17th
out
for
public
comment
right
now,
so
I
just
wanted
to
have
that
included.
So
anybody
watching
this
can
go
out
and
comment
on
these
quarters.
We
do
have
road
safety
audits,
that's
where
the
consulting
engineers,
engineering,
the
city,
engineering
staff
representatives
from
the
community
stakeholders.
AF
AF
Acquisition
of
tools
we
do
have
in
our
budget
to
be
able
to
get
some
additional
counters
and
software,
and
so
we're
in
that
process,
and
just
so
you
know,
we've
talked
about
the
radar
signs.
We've
done
some
presentations
on
those
we
have
ordered
15.
they've,
been
on
order
for
over
three
months
now,
and
we've
only
received
three.
AF
So
again,
it's
a
common
thread
that
you've
heard
today,
where
you
order
equipment
order
some
of
these
tools,
but
there's
a
delay
in
delivery,
and
just
so
you
know,
we've
with
the
purchase
orders,
that's
46
000
right
at
47
000,
so
it
is
costly.
The
plan
is
to
take
these
signs,
they're
different
type
signs
and
we'll
move
them
around.
AF
One
thing
that
it
does
allow
us
to
do
is
collect
speed
data
so
we'll
be
able
to
capture
the
actual
speeds
and
on
these
streets
when
we
finally
get
them
and
get
them
installed,
and
then,
of
course,
signing
and
marking.
We
make
sure
their
speed
limit
signs
in
the
appropriate
places
make
sure
their
appropriate
marking.
Striping
is
clear.
That's
one
thing
we've
been
focused
on
my
new
assistant
director
was
with
me
earlier.
AF
So
the
recommendations
that
we
have
is
to
complete
our
purchasing,
like
we've,
been
working
on
and
to
move
forward
with
these
current
studies,
the
completion
of
hiring
and
training
of
staffing,
and
we
are
working
on
that
as
well
and
then
in
the
corridor
studies
part
of
the
recommendations
the
engineers
will
make
will
be
based
on
the
results
of
the
studies,
the
things
that
we
see
they'll
make
recommendations
on.
AF
AF
Is
your
it's
not
intended
for
expressways
arterials
and
collectors,
those
are
designed
to
carry
traffic
and
move
traffic.
Those
are
designed
for
public
safety.
Those
are
the
routes
they
use
to
respond
to
calls
be
it
the
fire
department,
police
department,
sheriff's
department.
They
need
to
get
there
as
fast
as
they
can,
so
they
don't
need
a
bunch
of
obstructions
in
the
way
local
residential
streets
less
than
750
foot.
If
it's
a
shorter
street,
it's
really
not
productive
to
go
out
and
put
a
bunch
of
restrictions
out
there
lower
volume
streets.
AF
To
to
implement
a
full
traffic
calming
program
like
we
had
previously,
this
is
what
additional
staffing
we
would
need.
It's
really
a
full-time
job.
If
you
look
at
the
the
number
that
we
received
and
there
would
be
no
way
to
do
all
of
those
in
a
year's
time,
but
this
is
the
number
of
people
that
would
be
involved
in
that
process.
So
this
would
be
additional
staffing
from
what
we
have
today
and
then,
of
course,
we
always
want
to
get
the
community
involved.
AF
And
so
this
is
just
a
picture
of
some
of
the
traffic
common
measures:
roundabouts
for
traffic
calming
measures
narrowing
in
the
intersection,
so
one
that's
safety
for
pedestrians
and
two.
It
slows
the
cars
down
at
the
intersections
and
then,
of
course,
the
different
types
of
radar
signs
that
you
see.
A
Yes,
the
mayor
pro
tem
has
one.
G
Thank
you
mayor
the
the
the
the
questions
that
come
to
us
from
the
constituents
wanting
traffic
calming
device.
The
procedure
is,
we
we
notify
you
and
then
you
perform
the
test
that
you
just
went
over
on
that
street
to
see.
If
it
meets
the
standard
correct
that
is
right.
Okay,
then
you
have
to
have
a
survey.
AF
The
petition
was
involved
when
we
were
doing
speed
tables,
because
what
we
found
when
we
were
doing
the
speed
tables
is,
it
would
only
be
a
handful
of
the
residents
that
actually
wanted
the
speed
tables
and
they
were
speaking
for
the
rest
of
the
neighborhoods.
But
when
you
did
a
petition
a
lot
of
times,
you
found
out
that
a
majority
of
the
neighborhood
really
didn't
want
them.
AF
It
was
just
generally,
some
of
the
residents
may
be
somewhere
in
the
middle
where
the
cars
are
going
the
fastest
or
the
most
impacted,
where
everybody
comes
by
their
house,
where
people
that
live
further
into
the
subdivision,
that
weren't
really
impacted
they
weren't
interested
or
they
didn't
want
to
drive
across
them
every
day
going
and
coming
or
anytime,
they
left.
So
that's
what
that
petition
process
was
for
was
making
sure
that
it
was
truly
wanted
by
a
majority
of
the
neighborhood.
AF
AG
AG
I
get
a
lot
of
questions
several
times
about
what
exactly
is
columbus
311?
What
does
it
involve
by
downloading
the
columbus
311
app
citizens
are
able
to
submit
a
service
request,
get
access
to
the
civic
ready
system,
which
is
our
emergency
notification
system.
They
can
view
the
council
agenda,
live
stream.
The
council
agenda
view
the
upcoming
career
opportunities
and
also
the
upcoming
civic
center
events.
AG
One
of
the
main
features
that
I
particularly
like
of
this
system
is:
it
gives
several
different
types
of
reporting,
so
there
are
all
kind
of
custom
reports
that
was
already
implemented
with
the
system,
but
if
anyone
would
like
to
have
a
certain
type
of
report
for
their
district,
they're
always
able
to
contact
myself
as
well
as
I.t,
and
we
can
generate
that
report
on
this
particular
report.
If
you
look
down
at
the
bottom
of
this,
the
screen
lists
all
the
open
requests
for
q
alert.
AG
As
you
can
see,
it
compares
the
year
from
2020
from
when
we
started
to
current
2021.
So
let's
take
a
look
at
the
month
of
april.
For
for
the
month
of
april,
in
2020
we
submitted
3480
service
requests
in
the
system.
This
april
2021
we
submitted
6950
service
requests,
so
we
almost
doubled
our
service
request.
Within
a
year
may
2020
we
did
3586
service
requests.
This
may
2021,
we
inputted
8406
service
requests.
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
Why
would
we
wait?
Is
there
any
questions
on
the
columbus
311
app
how
to
download
the
app
or
any
general
information
you
may
need?
Yes,
you
have
it.
Okay.
I
also
left
a
flyer
on
your
desk
and
on
the
flyer
is
a
qr
code
that
you
could
just
select
on
the
qr
code
will
be
able
to
download
the
app
as
well.
AG
So,
basically,
with
the
app
one
of
the
best
features
of
the
app
is,
of
course,
is
submitting
a
service
request.
So
when.
AG
Request
they
need
to
make
sure
they
put
the
location
or
wherever
the
location
is
exactly
put
what's
taking
place
in
the
comments
and
if
they
choose
to
take
a
picture
they're
able
to
take
a
picture
and
upload
that
into
the
system
once
you
hit
submit,
it
goes
directly
to
the
department.
It
does
not
come
to
3-1-1.
AG
It
goes
directly
to
the
department
who
handles
that
request
in
the
event
that
a
citizen
may
hit
other,
then
that
other
request
will
come
to
3-1-1
and
we'll
see
exactly
what's
going
on
and
what
department
needs
to
handle
that
request.
So
just
make
sure
you
have
your
information,
your
contact
information.
What
is
the
concern?
Your
your
comments?
You
may
want
to
input
and
hit
submit
and
it
goes
directly
to
that
department
for
handling
any
questions.
J
Thank
you.
I
love
the
app.
I
use
it
all
the
time.
Thank
you.
One
thing
that
I've
noticed
about
it
it
it
might
be
not
as
user
friendly
for
people
that
don't
understand
the
departments-
and
you
know
you
have
it-
has
that
really
long
list
that
you
have
to
go
through,
and
so,
if
we
could
kind
of
clean
that
up
maybe
do
icons
or
something
else.
I
don't
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
I'm.
AC
AG
Go,
we
will
look
into
that,
but
a
lot
of
times
when
citizens
are
not
sure
exactly
who
handled
the
request
majority
of
the
time
they
are
either
put
in
the
field,
general
questions
or
other,
and
then
it's
directly
directly
that
is
directed
to
three
one
one
and
we're
able
to
pull
the
request
and
directly
to
wherever
department
needs
to
go
to.
But
we'll
look
at
icons-
and
I
know
it's
a
long
list
because
we
handle
a
lot
of
things.
Yes,.
A
A
AH
Want
me
to
make
reference
to
each
one
or
just
bring
these
items
back
for
the
september
14th.