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Description
This summit, co-hosted by the City of Cupertino, is a "how-to" event for activists and local government agencies for developing policies that aim at preventing plastics from entering the environment. In this fifth installment, Allison Chan of Save the Bay outlines reasons to ban polystyrene followed by a panel discussion on how successfully implement a ban. Recorded February 23, 2011. (75 min.)
A
A
Want
to
introduce
our
the
other
san
jose
city,
council
member,
who
has
been
integral
to
this
effort
in
our
in
our
community.
Oh
by
the
way,
my
name
is
paul
ledesma,
I'm
the
trash
reduction
coordinator
for
the
stormwater
permitted,
the
city
of
San
Jose
in
the
Environmental
Services
Department
and
I
want
to
introduce
Sam
liccardo
councilmember
Sam
liccardo
was
elected
to
the
city
of
san
jose
city
council
in
november,
two
thousand
six
prior
to
his
election.
He
served
as
a
prosecutor
at
the
Santa
Clara
County
District
Attorney's,
Office,
councilmember.
A
Lakardos
commitment
to
the
environment
includes
his
advocacy
for
alternative
transportation
and
mass
transit,
as
well
as
his
work
banning
sound
Aziz,
purchase
of
plastic
water
bottles.
His
leadership
with
that
of
council
member
to
to
pass
a
single-use
bag
ordinance.
Last
December
made
San
Jose,
the
largest
city
in
the
United
States.
To
do
so.
A
Councilmember
lekar
dough
is
the
chair
of
the
city's
transportation
and
environment
committee.
He
often
rides
his
bike
to
work
and
he
relies
on
solar
panels
to
power.
His
home
Sam
liccardo
has
a
bachelor's
degree
in
government
and
economics
from
Georgetown
University,
a
law
degree
from
Harvard
and
a
master's
degree
in
public
policy
from
the
Kennedy
School
of
Government.
Please
welcome
councilmember
Sam
liccardo.
B
C
You
Paul
and
thank
you
all
for
being
here
today.
I
know
that
I'm
catching
you
probably
just
before
the
onset
of
food
coma,
so
I'll
try
to
make
it
fairly
brief.
Usually
politicians
like
me,
don't
have
much
useful
to
do,
but
today
I
think
I
am
your
segway
segue
from
plastic
bags
to
polystyrene
and
I
appreciate
the
very
generous
introduction.
As
many
of
you
all
know,
in
San
Jose
we
pushed
hard
on
an
effort.
C
We
were
successful
to
be
able
to
ban
a
single
use,
bags,
plastic
and
paper
with
the
help
of
a
lot
of
partners.
I
know
I
saw
Felicia
Madsen
just
a
moment
ago
from
save
the
bay
a
lot
of
folks
helped
in
this
effort
and
I
think
you
all
know,
because
many
of
you
have
been
working
on
these
problems
much
longer
than
I
have
that
this
only
happens
with
partnership.
That's
a
lot
of
folks
involving
a
lot
of
interest
groups.
C
Environmental
groups
on
the
outside
that
need
to
push,
and
certainly
a
very
dedicated
team
city
staff
in
our
case,
was
led
by
Emma
Mendoza,
who
I
think
was
here
a
minute
ago.
Yes
he's
around
somewhere
anyway.
Folks,
who
were
pushing
hard
in
City
Hall,
and
obviously
we
do
this
in
a
regional
effort.
We
knew
that
Palo
Alto
had
already
taken
the
leap
and
that
certainly
made
it
easier
for
us
and
we
hope
that
our
leap
is
making
it
easier
for
other
communities.
C
Nearby
I
certainly
wanted
to
thank
the
city
cupertino
for
hosting
us
in
this
event,
and
all
the
community
partners
have
been
a
part
of
this
I
think
certainly
city
Palo
Alto
as
well.
Wmi,
clean
water
action,
the
water
district,
all
the
folks
who
have
been
partnering
with
us
on
these
efforts.
Of
course,
polystyrene
is
now
the
the
next
frontier
and
several
cities
already
again
made
that
push
in
San
Jose.
We
are
embarking
on
that
effort.
C
Now
we
are
going
to
be
coming
back
to
transportation,
Environment
Committee
in
a
few
months
with
a
trash
reduction
plan
that
I'm
hopeful
we'll
include
a
ban
on
polystyrene
used
for
food
containers,
certainly
we're
already
feeling
the
heat
of
opposition,
as
we
were,
with
a
plastic
bag
single-use
bag
effort.
I
know
that
the
lobbyists
are
out
there
they're
working
hard.
C
I
know
that
many
of
us
are
going
to
continue
working
on
this
together
and
I'm
sure
our
paths
work,
rot
will
cross,
but
don't
hesitate
to
contact
our
office
if
we
can
help
direct
you
to
the
very
smart
people
in
the
city
of
San
Jose,
they
are
leading
our
effort.
Millie
tovar
I
know
is
here
and
others
as
well.
C
We
of
course,
no
nothing,
but
I'm
happy
to
direct
you
to
people
who
know
something,
and
hopefully
we
can
all
accomplished
great
things
together.
So
with
that,
thank
you
for
being
here
and
your
commitment
and
your
time
and
energy
is
certainly
something
that
gives
me
great
hope
for
our
regional
efforts
here
in
the
Bay
Area.
Thank.
A
Okay
on
to
our
first
speaker,
actually
it's
a
panel.
No
it's
free
speaker.
Excuse
me
yeah
I
mine,
on
top
of
it
all
right,
I'm,
going
to
introduce
a
couple
of
folks
who
are
going
to
come
up
here
and
and
and
give
their
presentations
clay,
regal,
oversees
the
city
of
palo
alto,
zero
waste
efforts
and
is
responsible
for
overall
coordination
with
the
city's
zero
waste
programs
and
activities,
including
key
elements
of
the
city,
zero
waste
operational
plan.
A
He
has
been
involved
in
the
waste
and
recycling
field
for
for
15
years,
working
for
both
public
and
private
sector,
especially
specializes
in
public
education,
and
outreach,
waste
reduction
and
recycling
and
technical
assistance,
program,
management
and
business
to
business
sales.
Also
presenting
his
Allison
Chan
from
save
the
bay
Alison
brings
save
the
bay
a
background
in
marine
and
coastal
policy
and
economics
prior
to
joining.
Save
the
bay
Allison
worked
for
the
coastal
ocean
value
center
at
the
ocean
foundation,
studying
economic
indicators
in
ecosystem
health
in
three
California
estuaries.
A
She
has
also
worked
for
in
the
Channel
Islands
National
Marine
Sanctuary,
helping
to
conduct
a
survey
of
recreational
boaters.
Allison
now
works
on
save
the
bays
clean
bay
project,
helping
Bay
Area
cities
pass
ordinances
that
will
prevent
plastics,
prevent
pollution
in
our
creeks
and
waterways.
She
also
quote
works
closely
with
state
of
the
based
communication
staff
on
the
annual
trash
hotspots
campaign,
Allison
earned
a
bachelor's
degree
in
environmental
studies
and
a
minor
in
international
relations
from
USC
and
has
a
master's
degree
from
UC
Santa
Barbara
in
environmental
science
and
management.
D
Well,
thanks
very
much
I'm
really
happy
to
be
here
today,
I'm,
so
excited
to
save
the
bay
was
able
to
participate
in
this
event
and
it's
amazing
to
see
such
a
huge
group
of
people
that
are
interested
in
learning
more
about
this
together.
So
before
you
hear
from
the
panel,
that's
coming
up
next
about
bans.
Polystyrene
bands
around
the
bay
that
are
currently
being
implemented
or
on
the
road
to
implementation
I
want
to
give
you
a
short
background
on
the
issues
that
some
of
you
may
be
very
familiar
with,
and
others
of
you.
D
D
So
I
know
that
when
we
think
of
plastic
bags,
you
can
really
you
know.
Everyone
knows
what
a
plastic
bag
looks
like,
but
but
polystyrene
is
a
bit
of
a
different
material
and
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
out
there
about
what
exactly
polystyrene
really
is
and
I
certainly
didn't
know
until
I
started
diving
into
it
myself.
So
polystyrene
comes
in
a
lot
of
different
forms.
D
That's
a
lot
of
your
clam
shells
in
terms
of
food
service
where,
but
then
there's
there's
a
lot
of
other
types
and
those
are
all
generally
dependent
upon
how
they
were
produced.
So,
as
you
can
see
from
my
graphic
here,
you
know
it
comes
in
a
lot
of
different
forms
and
a
lot
of
different
products.
I
mean
things
that
I
didn't
know
we're
made
out
of
polystyrene
CD
cases
and
utensils
and
agricultural
materials
as
well
so
I.
That
just
gives
you
an
idea
of
how
vast
the
universe
of
polystyrene
really
is
and
save.
D
So
we've
heard
a
lot
today
already
about
the
impacts
of
plastics
on
the
environment,
so
I
won't
go
too
much
into
it,
but
polystyrene
particularly
polystyrene
foam.
It
is
really
a
threat
to
our
creeks
in
the
bay
and
everyone
knows
it's
an
eyesore,
but
it
really
does
have
serious
impacts
and
even
when
it's
properly
disposed
of,
you
know
you
put
it
in
the
trash.
D
Can
it's
taken
to
the
landfill
it's
very
easily
transported
into
our
creeks
and
the
bay
and
as
a
result,
polystyrene
foam
is
actually
the
second
most
abundant
form
of
beach
debris
in
California,
and
it's
also
a
consistent
item
picked
up
by
volunteers
on
coastal
cleanup
day
and
other
volunteer
clean
of
events
throughout
the
year.
So
it's
something
we
see
all
the
time
and
once
it
reaches
our
waterways,
it
really
becomes
a
threat
to
our
wetlands
and
Wildlife.
D
You
saw
a
lot
of
the
impacts
to
marine
life
already
from
Miriam
Gordon's
presentation,
but
it
also
really
impacts
our
wetlands
are
our
fragile
wetland.
Ecosystems
really
can't
perform
the
ecosystem
functions
that
they
are
meant
to
do
when
they're
being
suffocated
by
litter,
particularly
polystyrene
foam,
because
it
does
not
biodegrade
ever.
D
And,
in
addition
to
the
need
to
address
the
environmental
impacts
of
polystyrene
it,
it
really
is
a
litter
item
that
has
serious
economic
impacts
as
well.
As
you
all
know,
city
spend
millions
of
dollars
every
year,
cleaning
up
litter.
A
lot
of
that
is
plastic
pollution,
and
you
know
that
they're
constantly
engaging
in
activities,
costly
activities
such
as
street
sweeping
and
maintaining
storm
water,
conveyance
systems
and
Creek
cleanups
and,
of
course,
Creek
cleanups,
are
now
part
of
what's
being
expected
of
cities
under
the
the
regional
stormwater
permit.
D
But
despite
all
of
these
costly
investments
in
time
and
effort
to
keep
our
waterways
clean
and
our
shorelines
are
still
littered
with
these
products
and
and
this
really
decreases
their
appeal
to
recreational
users
throughout
the
Bay
Area,
which,
as
we
know,
are,
there
are
tons
of
them
as
well
as
tourists
and
that
ultimately
impacts
the
local
economy.
So
this
really
is
a
local
economic
issue
as
well
as
an
environmental
one.
D
So
why
save
the
bay
focused
on
polystyrene
food
where
well?
The
reason
is
because
recycling
is
simply
not
an
option
and,
of
course,
due
to
the
environmental
impacts
as
well.
According
to
Cal
recycle,
there
is
no
meaningful
food
service,
polystyrene
recycling
in
the
United
States,
and
that
obviously
goes
for
the
state
of
California
as
well,
and
companies
that
claim
to
recycle.
D
This
material
will
only
accept
polystyrene
foam
for
recycling
if
it's
clean
and
free
of
food,
residue
and
I'm
not
sure
the
last
time
you
saw
a
polystyrene
food
container
that
was
clean,
but
I,
don't
think
I've
ever
seen.
One
and
virtually
are
virtually
no
recycling
programs
in
the
Bay
Area
that
except
polystyrene
foam
in
there
curbside
in
a
curbside
collections.
D
So
in
order
for
any
polystyrene
recycling
program
to
actually
work
what
we,
what
we
would
need
a
residents
to
do
is
to
clean
their
takeout
containers
and
stockpile
them
until
they've
amassed
enough
that
they
feel
like
getting
in
the
car
dumping
it
in
their
trunk
and
driving
it
to
the
nearest
facility.
That
will
accept
it.
Clearly,
that
is
not
a
reasonable
solution
for
residents
and
due
to
the
the
week
market
for
the
recycled
material.
It's
not
a
sustainable
solution
either.
So.
D
That
just
is
one
example
of
how
there
really
is
a
growing
demand
for
green
businesses,
and
this
also
goes
for
businesses
that
eliminate
plastic
bag
use
as
well,
and
another
single
use
materials
so
and
the
options
on
the
market
are
really
expanding
and
in
terms
of
the
variety
of
products
that
are
available,
as
well
as
the
quality.
One
of
the
concerns
that
a
lot
of
restaurants
have
had
in
the
past
is
that
these
alternative
products
don't
do
well
when
it
comes
to
hot
items
or
liquid.
D
This
was
discussed
a
little
earlier
on
the
panel
this
morning,
but
some
the
options
are
becoming
more
affordable,
as
time
goes
on
and
actually
the
the
city
excuse
me,
the
county
of
san
mateo
in
their
study,
leading
up
to
their
band
conducted
research
that
came
up
with
the
fact
that
complying
with
a
polystyrene
ban
in
the
city
would
cost
businesses
as
little
as
one
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
a
year
and
and
those
were
businesses
that
were
primarily
using
disposable
food.
We're.
D
So
I
hope
everyone
in
here
is
considering
working
on
a
polystyrene
food.
Where
ban-
and
you
know
we've-
we
here
at
save
the
bay-
have
learned
a
lot
from
the
cities
that
we
have
worked
with
that
have
moved
forward
with
this,
and
so
I
tried
to
distill
down
a
few
things
that
are
important
to
consider
for
those
of
you
who
are
going
to
move
forward
with
this.
D
D
You'll
also
want
to
think
obviously
about
what
materials
you'd
want
to
cover
in
an
ordinance,
as
I
explained
earlier
food.
Where
will
be
both
foam
products,
as
well
as
the
rigid
or
clear
polystyrene
you're,
going
to
hear
from
the
city
of
millbrae
on
the
panel
coming
up
next,
that
their
ordinance
does
address
both
types
of
food
where
the
county,
san
mateo
ordinance,
also
addresses
both
types.
D
So
it's
something
you'll
want
to
consider
and
you'll
also
want
to
think
about
other
types
of
food
where,
aside
from
the
clam
shells
and
things
like
that,
a
lot
of
ordinances
don't
address
things
like
coffee
cup,
lids
or
utensils,
and
but
those
are
still
definitely
a
major
part
of
the
litter
stream
and
waste
stream.
So
you'll
want
to
consider
that
as
well.
D
D
Have
we
made
sure
that
they're,
aware
of
what's
going
on
you'll
also
want
to
think
about
your
demographic,
the
city
of
San,
Jose,
I,
believe
translated
their
materials
into
two
or
three
different
for
their
plastic
bag.
Ordinance
I
think
that
was
really
helpful,
especially
to
certain
areas
of
their
community.
D
What
is
we're
primarily
at
ethnic
businesses,
and
you
may
want
to
even
want
to
consider
conducting
some
public
meetings
in
another
language
as
well,
and
that
what
makes
you
help
to
make
sure
that
you
reach
every
aspect
of
your
community
and
then
another
really
important
thing
to
do
is
to
communicate
with
your
recycler,
not
all
compostable
food.
Where
is
made
equal.
D
Some
composting
facilities
only
accept
specific
types
of
compostable
food
where,
and
so
it's
a
conversation
that
you'll
definitely
want
to
engage
in
early
on
with
your
composting
facility
to
make
sure
you
understand
what
they're
going
to
accept
so
that
you
don't
have
your
residents
using
compostable
materials
that
actually
end
up
into
the
landfill
and
also
the
same
goes
for
your
recyclable
materials.
Just
make
sure
you're
you're,
aware
of
all
those
things
and
another
option
that
that
is
great
to
let
your
businesses
know
about
our
purchasing
co-ops.
D
We
have
green
town
los
altos
here
today
we
always
sing
their
praises
everywhere
we
go
and
if
you
join
their
co-op,
which
is
free,
you
automatically
receive
a
discount
on
compostable
food,
we're
from
the
company
they
work
with
worldcentric.
So
that's
just
one
option
of
many
for
helping
businesses
to
comply
with
this
ordinance
and
decrease
the
impact
on
them.
D
So
that
really
just
scratches
the
surface
on
the
types
of
issue
that
we
often
run
into
when
we're
working
with
cities
and
what
I
think
is
going
to
be
really
helpful
for
you
now
is
to
hear
this
panel
is
coming
up
of
cities
who
have
actually
implemented
these
ordinances,
so
I'm
going
to
pass
it
on
to
them.
So
thanks
very
much.
A
Okay,
I
made
it
an
oversight,
is
dawn
eggleston
here,
sir,
thank
you.
This
is
dawn
eggleston.
He
is
the
head
of
the
Sunnyvale
Chamber
of
Commerce.
We
have
business
in
the
house
as
well,
and
I
really
want
to
underscore.
They
are
one
of
our
partners
and
we
need
to
work
with
them
and
I.
Think.
Oh,
that's
a
recurring
theme
that
you're
going
to
hear
through
all
these
presentations
and
so
welcome.
Sir
okay
clay,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
clear
eagle.
F
Thanks,
Paul,
okay,
so
next
we're
going
to
have
a
panel
of
representatives
from
cities
that
have
actually
successfully
implemented
bands
on
expanded,
polystyrene
food
service
products.
So
you
know
we
have
a
wealth
of
information
here
in
the
room
and
we
wanted
to
get
some
people
here
that
can
share
some
of
the
best
practices.
Lessons
learned
on
their
experience
and
what
worked
so.
Those
folks
that
are
looking
at
perhaps
implementing
bands
on
EPS
foodservice
could
can
learn
from
them.
So
I
think
we
have
the
three
of
the
panelists
here,
four
panelists!
Thank
you.
F
We
have
Phil
Bobo,
who
we
heard
speak
earlier.
He's
the
environmental
compliance
manager
and
acting
assistant
director
of
public
works
for
Palo
Alto
come
on,
come
on
up
when
I
through
Jan
named
Shelly
rider,
who
is
the
environmental
programs
manager
for
the
city
of
millbrae?
We
have
a
Ken
P,
Annan
who's,
the
solid
waste
manager
from
the
city
of
Fremont,
and
we
have
Jennifer
Lee
who's,
the
sustainability
associate
in
the
city
of
Richmond.
F
F
Them
now,
so
this
is
good
I
get
to
ask
questions
and
not
answer
them
for
once.
So
in
the
interest
of
time,
if
you
can
keep
your
responses
to
three
or
four
minutes,
but
I
have
basically
questions
or
just
to
generate
some
discussion
points
for
the
experience
that
each
of
the
cities
here
had
in
implementing
their
bands.
F
So
the
first
question
is:
if
you
could
discuss
how
you
built
a
factual
business
case
for
pursuing
a
polystyrene
ordinance.
If
you
could
talk,
if
you
could
about
what
products
you
chose
to
focus
on
how
you
dealt
with
the
c-clip
lick
ability
issue
and
what
resources
you
used
that
provided
you
with
reliable,
factual
information
that
you
could
use
to
present
your
case
for
a
ban.
So
if
we
could
start
with
Ken.
G
Sure,
good
afternoon,
everyone
in
the
city
of
fremont,
I'm
not
sure
if
we've
successfully
implemented
a
polystyrene
ban,
we've
implemented
one
that's
been
in
effect
for
about
six
weeks,
but
it
looks
like
there's
a
strong
acceptance
by
the
community,
and
this
was
an
issue
we
looked
at
in
2008
and
revisited.
Last
year
we
had
a
very,
very
well
well-meaning
council
member
that
was
looking
to
perhaps
leave
a
legacy
as
he
was
moving
on
to
higher
political
office.
So
it
made
it
very
easy
for
this
issue
to
come
before
the
community.
G
The
the
band
that
we've
implemented
in
Fremont
is
on
expanded
polystyrene
products
only
we
did
that
because
our
processor
in
Fremont
is
successfully
recycling
the
rigid
containers
and
we
felt
that
the
foamed
products
were
the
most
problematic
from
the
solid
waste
perspective
and
the
difficulty
recycling,
as
well
as
a
litter
problem.
As
far
as
stormwater
pollution,
we
were
also
trying
to
be
as
we
develop
this
ordinance.
We
were
looking
to
be
fairly
consistent
with
what
was
already
being
developed
by
the
other
communities.
G
So
fortunately,
we
were
able
to
draw
upon
several
existing
ordinances
kind
of
pick
and
choose
what
what
was
going
to
be
most
effective
in
our
community.
There
were
some
good
definitions.
There
were
some
good
enforcement
guidelines
and
we
looked
around
at
what
was
out
there,
so
I
would
recommend
that,
of
course,
your
restrictions
contemplating
this
to
the
same
thing.
As
far
as
the
environmental
siswi,
we
had
our
own
planning
department
developed
in-house
the
negative
declaration
and
that
pretty
much
took
care
of
our
secret
requirements.
G
B
H
B
B
B
Specify
a
product,
or
at
least
a
type
of
product,
namely
compostable,
should
we
say
that
the
alternative
product
to
be
used
would
have
to
be
compostable.
Clearly,
we
kind
of
wanted
to
move
in
that
direction.
The
problem
that
we
had
in
Palo
Alto
were
not
as
advanced
in
that
area
of
some
other
places.
We
don't
actually
have
a
pick
up,
curbside
pickup
of
compostable
zat
residential.
At
that
time
we
didn't
even
have
it
for
commercial.
B
So
that
to
me
was
pretty
good
logic:
I
don't
want
to
call
it
science,
but
it
was
pretty
good
logic
for
stopping
where
we
did
and
just
choosing
the
expanded
and
not
specified.
We
did
specify
I
think
we
specified
it
has
to
be
recyclable.
We
went
back
and
forth
on
that,
but
you
know
because
we're
now
in
our
blue
containers,
as
with
most
communities,
we're
taking
all
types
of
plastic
in
that
blue
container,
everything
is
recyclable
right
well,
is
it
really
I,
you
know?
Is
it
really
getting
recycled?
H
Right,
hello,
everyone,
the
city
of
millbrae,
sustainable
food
service
where
ordinance
went
into
effect
in
January
of
2008,
and
we
started
the
planning
a
good
year
prior
to
that
and
what
our
ordinance
does
is
prohibit
the
use
of
polystyrene
food
where
and
requires
the
use
of
compostable,
reusable
and
recyclable
food
where
it
includes
utensils.
It
includes
both
types
of
polystyrene
and
I
have
lots
of
good
arguments.
Why
you.
I
H
Look
at
both
when
you're
doing
the
ordinance,
and
so
how
we
devised
ours
is
that
we
worked
with
our
hall
or
the
South
San
Francisco
scavenger
company
in
developing
this,
because
it
made
a
most
amount
of
sense
to
look
at
what
they
said
they
could
collect
as
recycling.
So
we
sat
down
its
table
and
talked
about
every
type
of
plastic.
H
What
they
realistically
would
pull
from
the
line,
and
so
our
ordinance
does
allow
certain
types
of
plastic
primarily
for
the
food,
where
it
will
be
in
a
number
one
type
of
plastic
or
number
five,
and
that
opens
a
big
window
for
for
the
restaurants
and
food
vendors,
and
so
it
was
really
clear
that
they
would
not
sort
any
type
of
utensils.
Most
of
the
utensils
are
polystyrene,
so
it
requires
that
the
utensils
are
compostable.
H
However,
that's
probably
the
sticky
appointment,
not
the
sticky,
pointing
in
our
ordinance.
It's
probably
the
one.
That's
most
overlooked,
whether
it's
intentional
or
not
intentional,
but
you'll
go
to
the
restaurants,
and
you
will
see
some
polystyrene
utensils
next
to
never
any
styrofoam.
But
we'll
hear
about
it
here
and
there,
but
very
rarely
at
this
point,
and
so
at
this
point
we
still
do
exempt
the
hot
cup
lids,
because
at
the
time
when
we
were
developing
our
ordinance,
we
did
not
feel
that
there
was
a
suitable
hot
lid
cup
and
we
tried
them.
H
We
wanted
to
be
fair
to
our
businesses,
and
so
it
does
include
the
cold
cups,
but
we
still
to
this
day
and
maybe
when
the
vendors
out
here
will
find
it
will
have
an
adequate
one,
but
we
didn't
feel
there
was
one
and
that
we
could
realistically
require
that
of
our
food
vendors.
This
ordinance
does
apply
to
all
food
service
where
vendors,
which
is
cafes,
coffee
shops,
even
safeway.
Anyone
that
prepares
and
serves
food
on-site
or
for
take-out
and
it
applies
to
city
facilities
and
for
events
as
well.
H
C
K
K
But
when
we
went
out-
and
we
started
to
do
a
lot
of
the
outreach
and
now
sort
of
the
enforcement-
we
took
a
more
soft
line
and
we
saw
that
about.
You
know
upwards
of
eighty
percent
of
our
restaurants,
we're
using
on
styrofoam
and
to
get
them
to
switch
over
even
if
they're,
using
the
rigid
type.
We're
still
pretty
happy
with
that,
because
we
think
that
for
now
that's
a
good
step
in
the
right
direction
and
for
us
we
were
trying
to
build
the
more
nurturing
relationship
with
our
businesses.
K
So
bottom
line
is
we
have
an
ordinance
that
is
written,
one
way
that
we
can
adjust
and
do
other
phases
of
outreach
to
incorporate
different
things.
But
in
the
initial
phases
we
were
just
looking
at
styrofoam
and
implementation
and
as
far
as
let's
see
sequel
goes,
we
just
did
an
exemption.
We
didn't
see
any
problem
with
that
here
and
never
work
on
single
use
bags,
which
is
a
different
story.
One
other
thing
that
we
addressed
as
far
as
the
factual
case.
So
our
council
members
are
really
concerned
about
the
impact
on
businesses
in
our
city.
K
We
had
community
meetings
and
we
went
out
and
we
did
our
own
and
price
comparison.
So,
in
our
first
staff
report
we
did
kind
of
general
online
looked
at
a
few
stores,
and
then
we
went
back
in
the
next
few
rounds
and
looked
at
where
our
businesses
were
going
for
their
products
and
kind
of
looking
at
percentage
increase
in
what
it
would
cost
them
to
switch
over
and
and
creating
some
hypotheticals
that
we
could
take
back
to
council
and
I
think
seeing
that
those
prices
were
going
down
over
time
really
made
the
case
for
us.
F
G
In
the
city
of
Fremont,
when
we
we
first
brought
this
issue
up
in
2008,
we
had
prepared
to
do
a
couple
of
very
interesting
workshops
where
we
had
set
up
30
laptops
and
in
a
public
meeting
room,
and
it
would
be
able
to
answer
questions
and
respond.
It
would
be
anonymous
and
the
the
trends
would
populate
up
on
the
screen
and
we
had
done
14
plastic
bags
and
had
limited
turnout.
G
We
had
no
rsvps
from
restaurants
for
the
styrofoam
and
we
sent
the
consultant
home
and
nobody
showed
up
for
the
meeting
so
that
that
was
a
very
difficult
start,
because
we
were
trying
to
solicit
the
input
from
businesses
and
they
weren't
interested
in
sharing
it.
Apparently.
So
we
we
began
working
with
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
and
that
that
was
something
that
was
I,
think
really
beneficial
in
her
process,
because
once
we
had
their
buy-in
I
think
council
was
much
more
comfortable
moving
forward.
G
We
knew
we
had
some
additional
out
outlets
for
outreach
in
and
contacts,
but
for
the
most
part
we,
you
know,
we
started
to
I
think
a
primary
piece
was
sending
out
a
mailer.
That
said,
you
know,
you
know
the
ordinance
will
be
going
into
effect.
There
was
a
lot
of
press
coverage
when
it
was
first
discussed,
two
readings
of
a
public
ordinance
and
again
nobody
really
came
to
speak
in
opposition
to
it.
The
direct
face-to-face
contacts
that
that
I
had
and
our
staff
had
tended
to
reveal
that
businesses
were
ready
for
this.
B
So
he'll
also
not
much
to
add
I,
think
I
mentioned
or
car
and
did
earlier
that
we
as
far
as
outreach
once
adopted,
we
went
to
eighty
percent.
Within
a
few
weeks.
We
went
to
eighty
percent
of
the
restaurants
and
food
service
facilities
and
before
it
was
adopted,
we
made
one
kind
of
similar
attempt
to
have.
B
We
knew
what
to
expect
there,
because
from
time
to
time
we
try
to
get
our
restaurants
to
attend.
Meetings
is
very
hard.
We
did
have
half
a
dozen
or
so
and
no
serious
objections.
I
just
wanted
to
hear
what
we
were
up
to
so
I
would
say.
We
really
had
no
real
opposition,
except
what
I
mentioned
before,
which
was
in
the
motels,
and
some
other
strange
people
that
had
gotten
wind
of
this
were
worried
about
those
styrofoam
cups
which
it
does
apply
to
at
their
businesses
for
coffee.
B
So
with
that
exception,
there
really
wasn't
any
pushback
I
think
we
had
three
mailers
that
went
out
immediately
before
and
then
after
to
all
the
food
service
facilities
telling
them
about
it,
and
there
really
wasn't
much
pushback.
The
one
thing
I
wanted
to
add
that
I
didn't
from
your
first
question.
Mr.
regal
was
about
the
sequence
situation.
There
is
a
difference
there,
because
how
Alto
we
had
just
been
through
the
bag
thing,
and
that
was
a
lot
more
controversial,
and
so
the
decision
we
made
was
to
do
a
mitigated.
B
H
Tagging
on
to
fill
I
also
didn't
address
the
the
sequa
element
we
did
file
a
negative
declaration
based
on
no
significant
findings,
actually
found
a
copy
of
that
and
ran
that
down
to
the
county
office
the
next
day
literally,
and
then
just
counted
the
calendar
for
30
days
and
was
really
relieved
because
we
had
that.
You
know
window
of
time
where
the
city
could
be
sued.
H
So
we
we
did
the
same
with
a
negative
declaration
as
far
as
outreach
and
what
the
business
is
I
think
there
were
two
things
that
really
made
for
the
success
for
of
our
sustainable
food
service.
Where
ordinance
one
was
teaming
up
right
at
the
beginning,
with
our
with
the
executive
director
of
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
in
millbrae,
he
got
right
on
board
and
part
of
it.
It
might
have
been
I
mean
he
knew.
H
The
city
was
really
serious
about
it
and
it
could
be
the
attitude
better
to
join
them
than
beat
him
or
me
or
something
like
that,
but
they
were
really
wonderful
to
work
with
and
when
the
other
success
was
the
the
level
of
outreach
we
did
with
our
businesses.
If
you
know
millbrae,
it's
a
pretty
small
community,
it's
easy
to
be
hands-on
in
to
talk
with
the
businesses.
So
with
the
chamber.
The
first
thing
that
the
director
did
John
Ford
was
call
a
meeting.
He
thought.
H
H
We
talked
about
the
different
options
that
the
city
council
could
adopt
for
an
ordinance
because
there
are
various
options
and-
and
it
went
pretty
well
I
mean
there
was
some
hesitancy
and
then
talking
about
the
cost,
but
it
was
interesting
because
there
was
one
person
there
and
and
there's
this
woman
saying.
Oh
you
know
we
have
this
friend
who's,
going
to
open
a
coffee
shop
here
in
millbrae,
and
then
she
went
on
to
espouse
all
the
wonderful
virtues
of
polystyrene
and
especially
the
Styrofoam
cup
and
I
was
like
wow.
H
You
know
why
is
she
so
attached
to
it
and
if
I
dawned
on
me
later
that
it
probably
was
someone
from
the
American
Chemistry
Council,
so
that
was
interesting
and
so
from
there
we
actually
held.
Another
informational
meeting.
Did
a
lot
about
reach,
sent
postcards
I
even
went
door-to-door,
and
it's
just
like
what
Ken
said.
You
know
we
called
the
party
and
no
one
came
and
I
mean
we
had
someone
from
the
media
and
someone
from
the
hauling
company,
and
there
were
more
of
us,
but
no
businesses
and
millbrae
being
small.
H
It's
a
lot
of
mom-and-pop
shops
and
they're
running
their
business
and
one
thing
I
realized
because
I
even
went
around
and
handed
out
flyers
just
because
you
want
everyone
to
know.
This
is
a
big
thing
and
we
wanted
them
to
be
a
part
of
that
process
and
be
informed,
and
one
of
the
businesses
said
well
that
you
know
they
probably
want
to
attend
the
meeting.
But
just
let
us
know
when
it
passes
and
will
will
change
our
food
where
so
it
just
made
me
think
that
that
was
the
attitude
that
people
were
willing.
H
We
really
didn't
have
any
opposition,
and
the
one
good
thing
about
teaming
up
with
the
chamber
is
that
businesses
felt
comfortable
talking
with
them.
They
didn't
want
to
whine
to
the
city,
they,
which
was
surprising,
but
they
did
talk
more
with
the
chamber
and
it
gave
him
that
conduit
to
say
well
we're
worried
about
this
and
about
the
cost,
but
there
were
only
a
few
businesses
that
did
that
and
we
did
in
addition,
a
whole
lot
of
outreach.
We
realized
that
no
one
would
come
to
really
meeting
so
we
did
a
lot
of
mailings.
H
We
did
postcard
mailings.
This
is
what
the
city
is
thinking
about.
We
did
a
mailer
that
you
know
there's
going
to
be
this
meeting.
We
did
one.
This
ordinance
is
going
to
go
into
effect
and
I
brought
some
handouts
above
all
of
our
things,
and
all
of
this
is
on
our
website
as
well,
all
of
our
outreach
and
and
then
we
did
10
it
isn't
effect
and
then
a
reminder
ring
seriously.
You
just
couldn't
not
know
that
we
had
this
ordinance
in
place.
H
We
did
so
much
outreach,
but
I
felt
really
good
about
that,
because
everything
went
really
smoothly
and,
like
I
said
it
helped
to
have
the
chamber
and
help
to
do
the
level
of
outreach.
We
sent
everyone,
a
packet
of
materials,
things
to
emeryville.
We
had
adapted
their
fact
sheet.
I
know
some
of
us
being
recyclers
in
the
room.
We
hate
reinventing
the
wheel,
so
we
borrow
and
adapt
at
San
Francisco.
H
We
borrowed
the
food,
we're
distributors
list
and
updated
the
list
of
acceptable
products
and
then
a
letter
from
our
Director
of
Public
Works
that
clearly
outlined
what
the
ordinance
was,
what
it
included,
what
it
disallowed,
and
we
also
had
that
in
Chinese,
which
is
a
dominant
language
and
culture
with
within
our
community.
So
it
was
basically
we
did
as
much
as
I
think
we
possibly
could
and
it
did
go
smoothly.
There
was
a
couple
things
I
wanted
to
mention.
H
We
did
a
survey
after
the
like,
after
the
ordinance
was
in
effect
for
about
a
year
to
see
what
people
what
they
used
previously
and
what
they
were
currently
using.
Not
that
many
people
responded,
but
we
got
some
and
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
and
I
was
talking
with
Emmy
earlier
about.
That
is
that
we
also
work
with
new
business,
license
applicants,
and
if
you
don't,
if
you
don't
do
that,
it's
a
really
good
outreach
to
be
able
to
talk
with
them
firsthand
they
circulate
to
the
different
departments.
There's
a
checklist.
H
So
we
meet
with
them
and
talk
about
recycling
a
little
bit
about
water
conservation,
and
so
it
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
give
them
this
packet
point
them
to
our
site
as
well,
and
then,
like
Emmy,
had
mentioned.
It
was
good
to
hear
another
city.
Do
this.
We
call
it
our
sustainable
food
service
where
acknowledgement
form
and
she
called
it-
the
self
business
certification
for,
but
we
do
the
same
kind
of
thing
at
really
bullet
points.
H
We
took
it
from
our
debris,
box
or
debris
box,
yet
as
ordinance,
because
we
have
issues
with
that
exclusive
franchise.
But
that's
another
story,
so
we
took
that
form
and
we
adapted
it
to
acknowledgement
form
that
businesses
it
could
outline
what
the
ordinance
was
about
and
then
they
signed
it.
So
down
the
road
when
they
squeeze
in
any
type
of
polystyrene,
we
say,
but
when
you
sign
this,
that
you
knew
about
it
so
anyway,
that's
a
good
tool
to
be
able
to
talk
to
businesses
right
from
the
onset
as
well.
K
So
yeah
we
also
had
we
send
out
mailers
and
we
hosted
a
couple
of
informational
meetings,
not
a
lot
of
people
attended.
So
after
that
we
kind
of
changed
our
strategy
and
started
doing
door-to-door.
So
within
that
a
few
months
before
the
ordinance
went
into
effect,
we
visited
upwards
of
thirty
percent
of
businesses.
K
It
was
really
helpful
to
go
there
with
sample
containers,
just
bags
of
samples
that
we
could
show
them
what's
what
they
could
use
to
be
in
compliance
and
also
some
samples
that
they
could
just
keep
because
they
didn't
want
to
go
and
buy.
You
know
huge
package
of
product,
not
knowing
if
it
would
work
for
their
hot
products
or
not
and
yeah.
The
response
was
varied.
Some
businesses,
some
of
the
owners
you
walk
in
and
they're
like
what?
K
What
did
I
do
wrong
and
others
are
really
thankful
that
that
you
know
cities
are
making
the
effort
to
go
and
see
businesses
one
to
one
now,
working
on
plastic
bags
and
kind
of
comparing
the
outreach
strategies
and
I'm.
Seeing
that
suarez
community
engagement
goes
it's
a
lot
more
successful.
So
now
we
we
what
we
did
to
start.
K
If
I
have
a
survey,
if
I'm
asking
for
information
I,
just
bring
it
in
hand,
if
it's
online
I'll,
just
print
out
copies
and
take
it
and
have
them,
fill
it
out
on
the
spot,
which
is
a
lot
more
helpful,
I
think,
and
what
else
it
was
really
helpful
to
have
different
pieces
of
information
in
so
we
did
Spanish
and
Chinese
male
heirs
and
our
staff.
We
could
cover
those
languages
when
we
went
out
and
I
think
people
were
really
appreciative
of
that.
K
We
had
involved
the
chamber
at
first
we
had
some
meetings
with
Chamber
of
Commerce
members.
They
decided
not
to
take
a
position
on
the
on
the
styrofoam
ordinance,
but
we
got
access
to
a
lot
of
people
that
wouldn't
come
to
our
informational
meetings
and
this
time
around
with
plastic
bags,
they're
considering
it
as
maybe
a
business
opportunity
which
I
think
is
something
to
be
considered.
F
G
I
mentioned
earlier
that
the
idea
came
forward
for
the
city
of
Fremont
by
our
council
member
Bob
Wieckowski.
So
what,
as
staff
got
got
organized?
You
know
to
to
create
an
ordinance
that
these
are
a
few
things
that
our
council
was
sensitive
to.
They
wanted
to
make
sure
that
city
facilities
were
also
included
so
that
we
were,
you
know
essentially
walking.
The
talk
and
Fremont
has
a
very
robust
Parks
and
Recreation
Department,
with
some
teen
centers
and
community
centers,
a
Senior
Center
that
are
available
to
the
to
the
public
to
rent
and
use
these
facilities.
G
So
we
had
to
work
with
our
Parks
and
Rec
Department
to
make
sure
that
those
rental
agreements
were
very
clear
that
if
you
want
to
use
the
Teen
Center,
for
example,
that
you
complied
with
this
ordinance,
so
that
became
built-in
I
mentioned
earlier
about
allowing
businesses
a
chance
to
utilize
her
existing
stock.
So
they
were
sensitive
that
there
was
adequate
notice
and
Fremont's
case.
We
had
about
a
six
monthly
time
and
we
deem
that
that
was
adequate
to
use
up.
Existing
inventories.
G
It's
it's
not
something
we're
going
to
cave
in
very
lightly
on
as
staff
I
know
that
the
city
manager
has
the
authority,
but
he'll
likely
designate.
You
know
the
decision
and
take
the
lead
from
environmental
services
staff.
So
we
built
that
into
the
ordinance.
Although
we
know
that
there's
good
alternatives
for
just
about
everything
and
costs
really
won't
be.
A
huge
factor.
Cost
was
something
that
council
was
sensitive
to.
It
appeared,
but
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
very
good
information
about
specifically
what
transitioning
to
either
compostable
or
recyclable
alternatives
would
be.
G
You
know
the
higher
end.
Restaurants
didn't
mind
getting
something
that
really
looked
like
it
was
high
quality
and
durable,
so
they'd
spend
the
additional.
You
know,
25
cents
per
piece,
if
necessary,
but
most
businesses
for
a
very
simple
clam
shell
would
would
see
an
incremental
cost
of
a
few
cents
per
container,
maybe
five
or
ten
cents,
20
cents,
25
cents
per
meal.
Those
were
some
numbers
that
seemed
to
be
thrown
out
and
it
seemed
like
they
were
willing
to
go
with
that.
G
Let
consumers
pick
up
the
cost
and
over
time,
with
more
products
being
available,
those
costs
would
likely
come
down,
so
that
turned
out
not
to
be
as
big
a
factor
as
I
thought
as
staff.
Since
we
couldn't
really
get
our
arms
around
that
very
succinctly,
we
didn't
bring
forward
a
lot
of
detailed
analysis.
G
G
G
There
was
also
a
interested
having
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
support,
so
so
we
had
established
that
and
they
they
spoke
in
support
of
the
ordinance
at
our
council
meeting.
One
other
point
that
I
want
to
make.
There
were
some
other
other
groups
that
came
and
spoke
in
support,
but
as
as
city
staff,
people
that
will
be
bringing
forward
a
new
ordinance
in
your
communities,
I
think
it's
really
important
to
to
synchronize
with
the
people
that
are
there
supporting
your
your
particular
ordinance.
G
That
will
take
some
some
effort
up
front,
but
you
don't
want
to
be
in
a
position
where
you're
bringing
forward
something
it's
a
happy
day,
everyone's
ready
to
high-five
each
other
up
at
the
City
Council
benj.
But
you
have
you
have
a
speaker
that
gives
the
impression
that
your
ordinance
has
come
up
short.
Somehow
I
mentioned
fremont
head
band
only
foamed
polystyrene,
but
some
of
the
you
know
that
there's
a
philosophy
that
polystyrene
in
any
form
is
poison
and
that
you
shouldn't
be.
You
shouldn't
be
allowing
that
to
be
used
in
your
community.
G
Since
you
know
we
only
ban
foamed
polystyrene,
when
I
heard
a
supporters
going
on
about
all
polystyrene,
it
seemed
to
be
undermine
the
efforts
that
we
had.
We
had
done.
We
also
allowed
compostable
materials,
and
there
was
some
concern
by
a
supporter
that
this
could
contaminate
the
plastic
stream
and
there
was
was
a
little
bit
convoluted
in
my
opinion
about
it.
You
know:
are
they
really
supporting,
or
are
they
there
with
some
degree
of
criticism
and
that's
not
what
we
were
really
striving
for?
G
So
I
would
encourage
everybody
work
up
front
get
on
the
same
page.
We
needed
the
support.
We
appreciated
having
speakers
speaking
in
support
of
our
ordinance,
I
think
that
could
have
gone
and
float
a
little
bit
better
in
this
public
forum.
So
I
would
encourage
everybody
to
get
that
sorted
out
in
advance.
B
Palo
alto,
our
council,
I
think
it
was.
Is
there
a
problem?
Yes
show
the
pictures
of
styrofoam
in
the
creek.
Can
it
be
recycled?
No,
is
there
our
bit?
Are
there
good
alternatives?
Yes,
forty
percent
of
our
people
have
already
switched
whole
foods
was
our
spiritual
leader.
There
is
no
problem
with
the
alternatives.
B
H
Okay
and
in
millbrae,
the
idea
first
came
about
from
a
former
council
member
mark
hirschmann
and
he
was
really
supportive
of
us
moving
forward
with
an
ordinance,
and
we
also
had
the
support
of
the
city
manager
at
that
time.
So
it
really
gave
us
a
lot
of
energy
to
go
out
there
and
I
want
to
recognize
I'm
Krista
kunika
raised
her
hand
Krista,
because
she
helped
she
works
with
me
in
millbrae
and
she
helped
to
craft
the
ordinates
looking
at
the
ones
out.
H
South
san
francisco,
san
bruno
and
san
mateo
county
was
mentioned
earlier,
first
for
their
facilities
and
now
for
the
unincorporated,
and
so
with
this
council
support,
we
basically
pulled
together
a
whole
variety
of
options
that
the
city
council
could
look
at,
and
so
we
did
to
informational
reports,
one
in
june
of
that
year
and
then
in
September,
really
outlining
all
the
options.
It's
basically,
we
told
them
everything
you
ever
wanted
to
know
about.
H
Polystyrene
food
service,
where
containers
and
left
no
stone
unturned,
and
we
had
the
report-
included
everything
from
the
types
of
polystyrene,
the
difficulty
in
recycling
at
the
types
of
alternative
containers
out
there,
the
costs,
business,
outreach
timeline,
just
basically
every
facet
and
quite
honestly,
what
we
really
expected
at
any
of
those
meetings
and
when
we
finally
went
to
the
council
and
it
was
adopted
and
that
I
think
it
was
october-
was
what
our
colleague
derek
experienced
in
vallejo.
We
just
thought
we
were
going
to
get.
H
I,
though,
these
questions
are
we
going
to
have
all
these
groups
and
nothing
it
was.
It
was
really
pretty
amazing
and
part
of
it
is
because
we
did
our
homework
and
we
spent
a
good
year
gathering
all
the
information,
the
findings
and
we
didn't
rush
it
and
so
I
think
that
really
worked
in
our
favor
by
putting
everything
together
and
having
what
I
think
is
a
really
solid
ordinance
and
it
seems
like
I
guess.
Millbrae
is
only
one
on
this
panel
that
that
prohibits
both
types
of
polystyrene.
H
So
it's
really
comprehensive,
and
in
that
sense
so,
and
also
one
thing
that
came
from
that
and
which
was
amazing
during
this
process,
because
we
did
work
with
the
businesses
and
showed
the
alternative
food.
Where
did
show-and-tell
at
the
council
meeting,
but
it
was
really
surprising,
like
we
would
get
knocks
on
the
door
just
about
every
other
day
from
all
the
entrepreneurs
that
were
emerging
in
alternative
food,
whereas
is
really
amazing,
they're.
Just
it's
now
so
much
more
is
on
the
market
now
and
that's
been
tested
in
a
lot
of
our
businesses.
H
We
can
see
them
switching
and
trying
different
types
of
containers
and
encourage
them
to
work
with
each
other.
We
have
a
lot
of
Chinese.
Restaurants
were
like
well
talk
to
so
and
so
and
see
what
works
for
them.
So
that
was
interesting,
all
the
different
things
that
came
out
of
developing
and
crafting
this
ordinance,
but
as
far
as
with
our
City
Council
they're,
just
everyone
was
on
board.
It
was
just
it
was
a
miracle.
K
Yeah
for
us
not
everybody
was
in
boron
board
to
begin
with.
We
had
at
least
three
of
our
council
members
that
kind
of
reprimanded
us
a
little
bit
at
first
for
coming
with
just
the
technical
piece
and
not
having
done
a
lot
of
the
community
engagement.
So
we
went
back
in
and
talked
to
a
lot
of
people
for
that,
and
they
were
interested
in
the
cost
factor
for
businesses
and
also
how
much
time
we
were
giving
to
businesses
to
comply
and
to
use
up
their
stock.
K
So
we
really
pushed
that
out
and
did
the
time
to
do
on
the
education
and
even
with
the
effective
date
we
built
in
a
lot
of
things
so
that
the
very
very
last
resort
would
be
any
type
of
fine.
So
we
had
a
documentation
of
intent
to
comply
and
we
really
worked
closely
with
our
code
enforcement
division
to
see
what
processes
they
have
for
administrative
citation.
K
So
there
was
a
60
90
day,
intent
to
comply,
and
until
now
we
haven't
written
out
any
citations,
because
if
people,
if
we
see
people
still
using
styrofoam,
we'll
still,
you
know
kind
of
work
them
through
that
and
we're
going
to
start
enforcing
soon.
But
we
really
took
that
into
consideration
that
council
wanted
us
to
really
work
with
community
members.
Another
thing
that
they
were
really
interested
in
was
seeing
that
this
was
consistent
with
other
environmental
initiatives
that
were
coming
out
of
our
division.
K
So
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
was
on
what
are
we
doing
with
these
new
and
compostable
containers?
And
do
we
have
a
solid
waste
program
for
that?
And
we
really
jumped
on
that
opportunity
and
attached
to
one
of
our
second
or
third
and
staff
reports
to
a
resolution
supporting
food
waste
composting
that
happened
to
coincide
really
well,
because
our
green
waste
contract
was
up.
So
we
implemented
residential
food
scrap
composting
about
the
same
time
that
the
food
by
ordinance
went
into
effect.
F
J
J
G
Know,
I
think
that
the
staff
time
to
develop
the
environmental
document
was
a
fairly
small
cost.
Our
outreach
effort,
you
know
consisted
of
mailing.
The
450
piece
is
where
Fremont
will
see.
Its
biggest
cost
is
in
the
in
in
the
contract
that
we
have,
with
our
the
Union
sanitary
district
and
they're
responsible
for
doing
restaurant
inspections.
B
Yeah
we
never
did
an
estimate
of
the
staff
time
it
was
just
halftime.
You
know
we
didn't
hire
consultants
to
do
things.
So
you
know.
Maybe
we've
spent
a
half
a
person
here
on
this
over
a
period
of
a
couple
of
years.
I
would
say
we
spent
nowhere
near
the
amount
of
time
on
this
that
we
spent
on
the
bag
thing.
If
you
want
a
plane
to
Paris.
You
know
that
we
spent
a
ton
of
time
on,
but
this
was
much
smaller.
H
You
know
don't
think
we
have
an
exact
cost,
I
mean
it
was
the
staff
time
up
front,
maybe
quarter
time,
but
we
were
able
to
work
on.
You
know
other
projects
at
that
same
time,
I,
don't
know
the
city
attorney
costs.
We
drafted
the
ordinance,
but
then
our
city
attorney,
of
course,
reworked
it
and
put
in
all
the
legal
eagle
talk
and
so
I,
don't
know
what
that
cost
was
and
our
mailing
was
pretty
minimal.
We
pretty
much
do
things
in
the
house,
so
I
wouldn't
say
what
was
a
whole
lot.
H
K
In
staff
time
I
would
say
over
the
course
of
a
year
and
a
half,
maybe
and
like
15,
to
50
percent
one
full-time
staff
person
with
I'm
50
more
during
the
time
of
just
a
lot
of
outreach
and
going
out
to
the
businesses
I
think
the
mailing
was
pretty
minimal.
Also,
it
was
about
three
yeah,
two
postcard
mailers
and
one
envelope
mailer
that
went
out
to
about
300
businesses.
I
Hi.
Thank
you.
Two
quick
questions.
Several
of
you
mentioned
that
you
had
your
chambers
of
commerce
in
support
of
your
guys's
band.
I
was
wondering
for
my
usage,
the
specific
names
that
way
I
can
hopefully
get
them
in
support
of
our
state
band,
more
looking
at
contacting
them,
and
then
the
second
question
was
the
price
comparison.
I
think
Jennifer
you'd
mentioned
that
you
looked
online
and
found
it.
K
Yeah
to
adjust
the
cost
question,
so
the
first
one
I
think
was
a
little
bit
less
accurate.
We
looked
for
online
prices
and
I
think
those
we
just
found
out
we're
really
inflated
compared
to
what
was
locally
available,
and
that
was
really
specific.
I
mean
I
went
to
the
three
stores
that
all
of
our
food
providers
go
to.
So
I
didn't
share
that
information
with
you
and
later
we
saw
that
it
was
a
little
bit
bigger
in
the
box
category
and
like
the
cup
category,
it
was
pretty
small,
so
we
can
talk
after
I.
Think.
H
It's
really
tricky
with
the
cost
and
that's
why
we
didn't
like
to
put
out
a
lot
of
numbers,
but
everyone
wants
to
know
that.
So
we
could
say
you
know
pennies
more
per
container
because
it
really
depends
on
the
product
and
the
quantities
being
ordered.
So
it's
really
tricky
to
put
those
prices
and
I
think
it
can
scare
some
people
and
businesses.
E
E
We
were
really
after
sick
is
that
we
didn't
want-
and
it
came
in
very
handy
to
say
that,
because
at
Fisherman's,
Wharf,
I
hope
no
one's
here
from
Fisherman's
Wharf,
but
they
were
giving
out
these
little
chowder
cups
that
wind
up
in
the
ocean-
and
it
just
drives
us
stark
raving
mad
so
because
we've
and
the
six
there
they
have
to
start
going
to
a
compostable,
cuz
I
think
the
one
through
fives
were
a
bit
expensive.
So
it
came
in
handy
for
that
regard.
E
So
if
people
are
considering
it,
seven
is
a
little
bit
strange
because
there's
some
compostable
that
are
seven
so
I
won't
even
get
into
that
part.
But
the
other
thing
about
the
biodegradable
or
compostable
issue
is
that,
even
if
you
don't
have
a
composting
product
I
mean
process
in
your
cities
at
least
consider
it,
because
the
way
we
addressed
it,
as
we
said,
we
didn't
want
it
to
remain
in
our
landfills
anymore.
E
H
L
L
H
G
Events
were
also
included
in
fremont
and
luckily
the
largest
event
we
have
is
sponsored
by
the
Chamber
of
Commerce,
so
as
I
said,
they're
already
on
board
and
and
they
kind
of
control
and
dictate
how
their
food
vendors
who
they
are
and
how
they
participate.
And
it's
worth
mentioning
that
in
fremont
we
do
have
a
fairly
strong
residential
organics
waste
collection
program
that
includes
food
waste
and
food
soiled
paper
along
with
yard
trimmings.
G
You
know
to
a
large
degree,
half
the
community
that
didn't
have
access
to
this
residential
program
and
one
of
the
changes
that
occurred
was
free
months.
Garbage
started
going
to
the
altamont
landfill,
as
as
our
fremont
landfill
is
closed
and
they
have
the
largest
methane
recovery
system
in
the
world
right
now.
So
there
you
know
if
something
wound
up
in
the
landfill,
we
felt
less
shameful
about
that,
because
we
were
going
to
have
some
net
benefit
from
from
that
that
material
winding
up
in
in
such
a
landfill
in.
B
H
For
events,
the
biggest
one
is
art
and
wine
festival.
Med
also
is
chamber,
lead
and
so
I
think
they
do
a
pretty
good
job
and
we
did
put
a
clause
within
the
recreation
departments
contract
for
facility.
Rentals
I
can't
tell
you
exactly
what's
going
on,
there's
events
all
the
time.
We're
not
there
I'm
sure
it's
not
a
perfect
world
and.
K
We're
working
on
this
as
well.
We
have
some
events
that
happen
in
the
community
that
kind
of
slips
the
city
radar
so
yeah
once
in
a
while
in
the
in
the
past
few
weeks,
I've
gone
out
to
events
and
it's
sponsored
by
a
nonprofit
organization
that
wouldn't
have
otherwise
received
the
mailing,
usually
they're
pretty
unsympathetic,
and
you
know
we'll
be
understanding
of
that
and
make
sure
that
for
the
next
time
that
they'll
be
in
compliance,
I
also.
G
Want
to
add
that
in
fremont
or
school
district
was
impacted
and
they
they
had
a
very
specific
requirement
for
a
five
compartment
tray
and
it
was
very
difficult
to
find
a
compostable
alternative
and
certainly
one
that
was
about
or
slightly
more
was
hard
to
come
across.
But
the
district
made
a
commitment.
They
went
to
a
compostable
tray,
found
a
vendor
and
just
a
slightly
increased
the
cost
of
of
their
lunches
through
their
lunch
program,
and
they
made
it
work,
so
they
were
impacted
by
it.
They
stepped
up
and
came
through.
H
G
To
be
part
of
it,
so
yeah
we,
you
know,
the
assumption
was.
This
was
a
change
that
we
wanted
throughout
the
community
and
if
the
city,
if
our
division
would
have
been
approached
to
bridge
the
gap
in
cost,
we
might
have
looked
for
grants.
We
might
have
found
a
way
to
do
that
because
there
you
know
one
of
our
largest
waste
generators.
They
make
up
about
two
percent
of
our
our
total
waste
stream
and
we
would
have
helped
them
put
this
in
place
if
they
hadn't
done
so
voluntarily.