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Description
Coverage of the February 7, 2023 Cupertino City Council Meeting.
Regular Meeting segment. Part 2 of 2.
A
B
Mary,
thank
you
for
the
five
minute
break.
I
will
summarize
some
of
the
questions
that
were
delivered
before
the
break,
while
John
is
frantically
trying
to
post
on
technology
stun
to
help
us
getting
through
this
section,
so
I
kind
of
want
to
bring
Council
back
to
the
subject
before
you.
So
there
are
three
signs
that
are
being
proposed
by
the
developer.
One
is
facing,
one
is
not
facing
Freeway
and
there
are
two
facing
free
weight
per
coat.
B
Those
two
signs
one
is
one
of
them
is
allowed.
However,
it
has
to
be
allowed
through
an
approval
by
the
Planning
Commission,
the
Planning
Commission
denied
that
request,
and
therefore
you're,
looking
at
the
sign
tonight,
I'm
asking
John
to
bring
up
an
elevation,
so
we
could
be
sure
to
understand
which
of
the
signs
that
you
should
be.
Considering.
B
C
B
C
B
B
B
Councils
have
to
approve
the
sign
if
the
findings
are
met.
So
if
the
findings
are
met,
you
cannot
deny
the
sign.
I
do
want
to
emphasize
that,
and
we
will
walk
you
through
so
John.
If
we
can
show
perfect
so
sign,
2
and
sign
3
are
what
the
developers
are
proposing
to
install
per
code.
One
of
them
is
allowed
subject
to
approval
by
the
Planning
Commission
in
this
case
city
council.
So
one
of
the
two
will
be
allowed
and
I
think
we
heard
from
the
developer.
B
You
John
and
finding
C
the
sinus
conformance
with
the
design
criteria
in
section
19.104.220
we're
more
than
happy
to
take
you,
but
Steph
has
done
a
careful
job
analysis
to
make
sure
that
the
sign
is
in
conformance
with
the
design
criteria.
So
the
basis
for
Council
to
approve
one
of
the
sign
is,
if
all
of
the
findings
are
met.
B
Council's
decision
should
include
approval
of
the
sign,
so
that
is
one
conclusion
from
before
and
for
council
member
Charles
question
in
regard
to
the
dark
sky:
birth,
safe
or
none.
This
is
a
project
that
is
not
under
that
ordinance
and
I
would
hate
myself
to
speak
anything
incorrectly,
speculating
what
if
this
project
would
have
been
under
that
ordinance-
and
this
is
not
the
subject
for
tonight
so
I
would
not
comment
on
that.
F
Please,
okay,
so
I
think
yes,
I,
understand
that
this
complies
with
the
code.
We
should
approve
it.
However,
I
think
it's
also
common
when
we
approve
something
we
might
add
some
conditions
of
approval
to
address
Community
concerns,
and
one
of
the
concern
is
the
illumination,
so
I
want
to
check
that.
Is
it
in
the
code
that
the
light
will
be
off
11
o'clock
or
it
right
now.
It's
just
an
overall
promise.
D
F
G
H
C
A
Any
other
council
members
one
may
comment
when
councilman
Morris
doing
some
research,
so
I
I
will
make
a
comment.
I
would
love
to
you
know,
protect
the
birds,
and
this
is
how
I
see
this
thing.
We
already
have
a
coping
your
hotel
signed
there,
and
this
is
in
compliance
with
what
we're
looking
at
are
municipal
codes
and
I
do
believe
that
I
personally
have
not
noticed
computer
ink
science
or
I,
just
maybe
I,
just
drive
very
concentrated.
A
Okay,
so
I
have
I'll
be
hesitant
to
deny
this,
even
though
I
do
understand.
You
know
that
we
want
the
birds
to
be
safe,
but
it
is
within
given
is
with.
If,
if
this
is
under
the
birth
safety
and
dark
sky,
it
is
in
compliance
with
that
ordinance,
right,
yeah,
correct,
okay,
so
I
would
hate
to
make
two
just
make
a
decision.
A
G
So
so
again,
I
think
that
that
you
know,
as
as
John
and
Pamela
pointed
out,
you
know
that
there
there
has
to
be
both
substantial
evidence
to
deny
it
and
it
has
to.
It
has
to
be
based
on
an
inability
to
make
one
of
the
findings
for
approval
that
that
are
PR
are
listed
in
the
municipal
code.
So
so
so
it
it.
It
has
to
be
related
to
those
findings.
A
H
That
I
take
issue
with
so
it
does
say.
Although
the
aesthetic
appearance
of
science
is
subjective,
the
city
recognizes
that
certain
basic
design
guidelines
are
needed
in
order
to
maintain
the
city's
high
quality
appearance.
The
following
criteria
shall
be
incorporated
into
the
design
of
signs
C
there's
a
b
c
through
G.
All
signs
shall
be
architecturally
compatible
and
in
harmony
with
the
building
in
which
it
is
principally
associated
by
incorporating
its
colors
materials
shapes
and
its
shape
and
design.
The
sign
shall
also
be
compatible
with
the
aesthetic
character
of
the
surrounding
developments
and
neighborhood.
H
H
It's
right
so
I'm
I
I'm
also
a
little
concerned
that,
if
you
put
this
sign
on
the
side
facing
the
freeway
that
it's
also
going
to
cause
what
the
lighting
caused
for
me,
which
is
for
me
to
turn
my
head
and
stare
at
the
building
when
I'm
driving
in
the
dark
on
the
280
and
I,
think
that
that's
a
really
great
thing
to
have
happen.
But
I
think
really.
It
hinges
on
this.
H
B
So
mayor
way,
so
these
are
our
findings
and
they
are
subjective
and
I
hear
council
member
Morris
concern
in
terms
of
compatible
surrounding
development.
It
is
a
subjective
call
in
terms
of
finding
G
the
signs,
color
and
illumination
shall
not
produce
destruction
to
motorists
and
I.
Believe
John
earlier
has
stated
that
the
design
and
illumination
is
in
consideration
and
in
compliance
with
the
with
the
city
code.
A
H
I
Sure
so,
I'm
I'm,
broadly
in
agreement
with
mayor
way,
I
think
that
our
code
should
mean
something
I
think
I
think
that
it
should
be
clear
enough
that,
when
an
applicant
wants
to
be
able
to
do
something
and
invest
in
the
city
of
Cupertino,
they
can
figure
out
what
those
things
are
that
they
need
to
do.
If
there
are
issues
that
we
have
with
science
in
general,
then
we
should
be
revisiting
the
sign
ordinance.
I
If
there
are
issues
that
we
have
with
the
degree
of
luminosity
and
the
dark
sky
ordinance,
then
we
should
be
revisiting
the
dark
sky
ordinance,
that's
not
what's
before
us
today.
The
question
before
us
today
is
whether
or
not
this
complies
with
the
code.
I
think
that
it
does-
and
you
know
I
would
be
open
to
re-examining
these
ordinances
at
a
later
date.
But
that
is
not
the
discussion
before
us
today.
J
F
C
F
H
H
I
A
J
I
A
G
We
we
do
not
mayor,
so
we
did
consider
this
on
the
17th
and
we
had
a
a
special
meeting
on
on
January
25th.
The
results
of
the
council
straw
poll
are
reflected
in
the
agenda
packet.
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
I
supplement
zinto
memo
was
provided
to
council
earlier
today.
It
just
has
two
very
minor
revisions
to
section
88.3
and
8.9,
and
those
are
Incorporated
in
the
current
staff
recommendation
and
you
know
I'll
I'll.
A
K
Yes,
mayor,
we
have
so
far.
We
have
five
blue
speaker
cards
for
Community
Hall
and
a
number
of
people
on
Zoom.
So
please
have
your
hands
raised
in
the
next
five
minutes.
Our
blue
speaker
cards
submitted
before
the
cutoff.
The
first
speaker
is
Connie
Cunningham,
followed
by
Jennifer
Griffin,
followed
by
Bill
Wilson,
welcome,
Connie.
E
L
Way
vice
mayor
Moen
and
council
members
and
city
manager
and
City
attorney
as
well
on
this
particular
one.
This
Cupertino
city
council
procedures
manual
will
allow
our
City
Council
meetings
to
be
efficient,
transparent
and
facilitate
City
progress.
This
manual
follows
the
Civil
grand
jury
recommendations.
I
enthusiastically
support
this
reform
package.
I
have
attended
many
Council
meetings
over
the
years.
As
I
read
the
reforms,
it
is
clear
how
they
will
one
reduce
staff
workload
that
will
allow
more
work
to
move
forward
on
resident
services.
L
L
L
This
is
a
consent
item
that
has
been
discussed
at
two
meetings:
January
17th
and
January
25th
I
urge
you
to
approve
the
draft
resolution.
Adopting
the
Cupertino
city
council
procedures
manual.
Having
this
consent
item
pulled
for
discussion
is
an
illustration
of
the
reasonableness
of
the
rule
for
pulled
consent
items
to
be
discussed
after
regular
order
of
business.
L
There
are
regular
or
there
were
regular
order
agenda
items
tonight,
and
anybody
involved
with
them
deserved
the
courtesy
of
being
heard
at
that
meeting,
for
which
it
was
scheduled
at
the
approximate
time.
It
was
scheduled
so
I'm
glad
that
that
happened
tonight
by
moving
it
forward,
and
thank
you
for
this
time
to
comment.
Good.
K
M
This
I
understand
people
wanted
to
write
this
booklet
up,
but
it
is
absolutely
completely
unacceptable.
You're
dumping
the
DRC
you're
dumping,
the
ERC.
You
tried
to
prevent
the
public
from
having
any
oral
communication
I'm.
Assuming
that
we're
doing
the
city
council
handbook,
but
I
could
be
wrong
anyway.
I
sent
you
an
email
this
morning.
The
city
council
handbook
is
not
allowing
the
public
to
pull
items
from
the
consent.
Calendar
should
not
be
adopted
tonight,
Tuesday,
February,
7
2023,
under
any
circumstances.
M
If
this
handbook
is
okayed,
anything
could
be
listed
in
the
consent
calendar
and
then
voted
to
be
approved
by
a
vote
of
the
city
council.
Without
the
public
being
able
to
say
anything
approved,
ten
thousand
housing
units
at
velco
could
be
put
into
the
consent,
calendar
and
the
city
council,
or
any
future
council
could
just
approve
the
project
with
no
input
from
the
public.
This
is
not
efficiency
of
proceeding
things.
M
This
is
streamlining
ministerial,
buy,
right
approval
and
building,
as
dictated
by
the
high
density,
housing
laws,
a
la
SB,
35,
SB,
330,
sb9,
sb10
and
sb50.
That
was
never
passed
because
it
was
fought
down
by
the
people
of
California
doing
their
due
diligence.
I
spent
one
year
fighting
sb50
and
we
broke
it.
So
the
consent
calendar
could
approve
ten
thousand
housing
units
at
velco,
with
no
input
from
the
public.
M
No
one
can
say
anything
about
trees,
cut
down
public
roads,
clogged
with
dust
and
dirt,
and
mud
construction,
noise
going
24
7
for
10
years,
Etc,
something
as
innocent
as
you
can't
pull
items
from
the
consent.
Calendar
anymore
becomes.
Let's
approve
anything
by
way
of
the
consent
calendar
we
see
where
some
things
that
is
so
small
become
something
so
big.
The
consents
calendar
is
no
place
to
be
fighting
SB,
35,
sb9,
sb10
and
330
out.
M
We
thought
that
battle
was
being
carried
out
at
the
state
level,
but
never
in
a
million
years
did
I
think
it
would
go
so
far
as
to
be
fought
out
on
the
agenda
level
in
our
own
City.
The
fight
for
local
control
is
indeed
bound
up
in
our
City's
consent
calendar
and
that
right
should
not
be
conceded
tonight
in
our
city
council
chamber
meeting
under
no
circumstances.
Thank
you.
K
N
You
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
and
thank
you
for
your
service.
Just
listening
to
your
committee
assignments
and
activities,
it's
obvious
how
much
work
you're
doing
for
our
city,
so
I
just
wanted
to
talk
on
this
item
tonight,
because
I've
had
some
experiences
in
my
16
years
on
the
school
board.
That
I
think
were
germane
to
this
and
I'd
just
like
to
share
those
for
possible
information
on
the
importance
of
having
these
rules.
So
the
Fremont
Union
High
School
District,
had
a
has
a
culture
of
trust
and
collaboration.
N
That
I
think
is
one
of
its
most
important
assets
and
it's
made
it
possible
to
retain
people
our
superintendent
that
we
put
in
place
in
my
first
board
meeting
in
December
of
2006
retired
last
year
after
15
and
a
half
years
we
have
senior
staff
who've
come
up
through
the
ranks
having
been
with
the
district
for
a
long
time,
and
it's
really
helped
morale,
and
that
feels
like
something
that
was
always
there,
but
it
wasn't
always
there.
In
the
year,
I
was
elected
to
first
time
2006..
N
There
were
events
that
caused
divisions
among
the
school
board
members
and
there
were
five
great
people,
but
they
weren't
able
to
collaborate
because
of
that.
So
one
of
the
things
that
happened
as
soon
as
we
had
a
new
school
board
member.
There
were
several
things
that
we
did
to
build
trust
and
collaboration,
but
one
of
them
was
to
be
explicit
about
what
our
rules
would
be
and
we
got
those
down.
N
People
worked
with
them
before
long.
We
didn't
even
need
to
refer
to
them
because
they
became
part
of
the
culture
we
had
them
on
a
placemat
in
front
of
our
position
at
the
Mary.
We
remember
this
at
our
bias
and
I.
Think
that
really
helped
us
do
the
work
of
the
district,
so
I'm
glad
to
see
the
city
council
is
looking
at
this,
and
there
were
three
things
in
particular
that
stuck
out
to
me.
N
One
was
the
values,
the
importance
of
respecting
each
other
and
learning
from
each
other
over
the
years,
I
learned
so
much
from
my
fellow
school
board
members
and
we
came
up
with
better
Solutions
and
any
one
of
us
would
have
on
their
own
on
our
own.
The
other
was
the
role
of
the
city
council
city
council
to
set
Direction
Through
the
and
work
through
the
city
manager
and
let
the
staff
do
their
job
the
way
we
said
it
was
school
board.
N
Members
don't
run
the
schools,
they
make
sure
the
schools
are
run
well
and
as
part
of
that
in
creating
an
environment
for
the
staff
to
do
their
job.
I
think
it's
important,
as
we
heard
from
the
number
of
things
tonight
to
to
Really,
acknowledge
the
wonderful
job
the
staff
does.
They
work
really
hard
and
the
people
who
are
here
tonight
didn't
just
wake
up
in
the
middle
of
the
day
and
then
come
to
this
meeting.
N
They
had
a
work
day's
work
and
came
here
and
so
to
sort
of
paraphrase
in
a
crude
way
of
Robert
Frost,
who
said
good
fences
make
good
neighbors
I.
Think
good
rules
make
good
meetings
and
they
really
make
sure
that
everybody
gets
a
chance
to
be
heard
so
I
appreciate
your
taking
up
this
I
hope
you
approve
the
rules
that
you've
discussed
and
move
forward
with
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
O
Thank
you
so
much
good
evening
members,
it's
an
honor
to
be
here,
I've
been
a
resident
of
Cupertino
for
about
three
decades
and
I
just
wanted
to
share
my
comments
about
this
jury
recommendation.
So
the
recent
elections,
the
people
have
spoken
of
people
of
Cupertino
have
spoken
loud
and
clear.
The
newly
elected
officials
are
here
to
make
a
positive
change.
I
strongly
support
the
recent
jury
report
to
have
more
financial
transparency,
respect
to
Cupertino
city
staff
members
and
bring
back
a
strong
city
code
of
ethics
and
conduct
with
accountability
for
every
city.
Council
member.
P
I
want
to
thank
Bill
Wilson
for
his
description
of
things.
I
think
it
was
very
well
said
and
very
well
put
the
problem.
I
see,
is
this
Council
isn't
ready
to
do
that?
This
city,
in
fact,
may
not
be
ready
to
do
that
just
yet,
and
certainly
not
in
A
hurried
fashion,
where
people
are
pushed
into
not
having
enough
time
to
collaborate
and
things
getting
shoved
down
our
throats
I
think
you
heard
some
of
that
toward
the
end
of
your
workshop
last
week.
P
P
We
here
in
Cupertino
should
be
working
on,
emphasizing
the
importance
of
working
with
transparency
and
respect
and
Trust
with
our
own
Community,
our
own
City
Council
Members,
our
own
staff
and
fix
the
small
bubble
before
you
jump
out
and
start
sharing
with
the
big
bubble,
because
as
soon
as
you're
in
that
big
bubble,
the
top
of
your
org
chart,
which
is
at
your
residence,
has
no
chance
to
express
what
they
think.
They
have
no
chance
to
give
public
comment
when
you're,
in
behind
doors
with
other
politicians
deciding
what's
best
for
the
entire
area.
P
P
She
said:
she'd
work
on
it,
we'll
see
and
I
will
give
her
an
opportunity
at
some
point,
whenever
you're
ready
to
tell
me
if
there's
something
about
what
I
do
or
say
that
you
want
to
say
you
didn't
take
that
opportunity
today.
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
something
you
know
resident
focused
is
really
something
important:
John
Willy,
that's
what
he
was
known
for.
K
Thank
you,
Thank
you
Lisa,
and
that
is
those
are,
are
the
last
of
our
speakers
that
we
have
in
Community
Hall.
Now
we
moved
to
zoom.
There
are
nine
people
that
have
their
hand
raised
before
the
the
cut
off.
So
we'll
start
with
Rhoda
fry,
followed
by
Leslie
Crowell,
followed
by
Louise
sadati,
welcome,
Rhoda.
Q
The
other
thing
that
I
would
have
liked
to
seen-
and
maybe
we
can
see
that
moving
forward
I
know
that
we
can
make
changes
to
this
plan
moving
forward
is
that
there
are
responsibilities
on
staff
side,
and
one
of
those
things
are
is
that
requests
for
public
information
should
be
honored
and
should
be
timely.
I
was
really
concerned
about
a
line
about
going
around
the
council.
Members
should
not
go
around
the
city
manager
to
get
public
information.
Well.
Council
members
are,
are
people
too,
lest
I?
Look
so
I.
Q
Don't
think
that
a
council
member
should
feel
like
they
have
to
go
around
the
city
manager.
I,
think
the
city
manager
in
the
city
in
general
should
provide
the
same
level
or
even
greater
service
to
a
council
member
than
they
would
the
public
I'll
keep
it
short.
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
apologize
I
didn't
mean
to
raise
my
hand,
but
here
I
am
speaking
anyway
good
night.
K
R
K
R
And
then
one
of
our
board
president
suggested
that
we
take
almost
a
default
approach
to
the
consent
calendar
that
unless
the
item
had
significant
policy
implications
and
was
more
administrative
and
made
sure
it
would
default
for
the
consent
calendar.
And
then
any
board
member
could
remove
an
item
as
they
saw
fit
and
the
public
had
a
chance
to
comment
on
everything.
R
There
was
no
no
quashing
of
public
comment
by
any
means
and
I
think
that
this
made
it
much
easier
for
our
Board
of
Supervisors
to
spend
time
on
the
major
policy
matters
without
spending
hours
and
hours.
On
things
that
weren't
nearly
as
sort
of
in
the
80
20
percent
principle,
they
were
not
moving
the
needle
as
a
prior
speaker
said
they
they
make
the
organization
work
well,
but
they
don't
work
the
organization.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
entertaining
my
comment.
K
S
Hello,
I
am
Louise
sadati
a
resident
of
Cupertino
for
37
years.
I
would
I'm
speaking
to
ask
you
to
approve
item
15.
the
procedure
spent
manual
tonight.
This
prestigious
manual
has
been
discussed
at
length
already
over
2
minutes
or
10
items
item
for
10
hours,
item
by
item
with
straw
vote
taken
on
the
last
meeting
on
January
25th,
but
the
January
the
15th
was
the
first
study
session.
Videos
of
the
previous
long
meetings
have
been
available
for
any
interested
resident
to
study
at
their
Leisure
and
convenience.
S
We
do
not
need
to
repeat
everything
again
for
another
8
to
10
hours,
so
I'm
hoping
that
Council
will
quickly
approve
this
without
long-winded,
distracting
unnecessary
comment.
We
need
this
procedure,
Council
procedures
manual
approved,
which
will
facilitate
efficient
and
transparent
good
governance.
S
Endless
talking
off
point
distraction
and
theatrical
self-engrandizing
performances
ad
nauseam
are
not
transparent,
efficient,
nor
in
the
spirit
of
what
is
good
for
the
community
self-aggrandizing
about
hearing
performances
them
with
very
repetitive,
long-winded,
off-topic
speeches
with
missed
information
are
not
impressive.
Nor
helpful
to
the
casket
ad
council
meeting
should
be
run
similar
to
court
proceedings
with
rules
of
conduct.
Picking
limited
limited
to
the
topic
at
hand
and
long-winded
pediatrics
at
all
short
and
to
the
point,
comment,
facilitate
good
governance,
efficiency
and
transparently.
S
K
T
Okay,
my
name
is
Donna
Austin
I'm,
a
47
or
eight
year
resident
I've
lived
here
a
long
time
in
this
Valley
I
I
was
so
busy
laughing
at
our
last
speaker,
I
mean
it's
been
an
opera,
it's
been
a
sad
soap
opera
and
it's
too
bad
I
agree
so
much
with
Mr
Wilson.
When
he
said
good
fences
make
good,
neighbors
and
and
good
rules
will
help
us
be
transparent.
Respectful
it'll
give
more
opportunity
for
the
public
to
speak
and
not
hear
these
Arias
going
on
I
totally
approve
of
the
procedure.
Manual.
T
T
K
U
Good
evening,
council,
members
and
Madame
mayor,
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
speak
this
evening.
I,
like
Bill
Wilson,
have
spent
almost
two
decades
in
elected
and
appointed
service
at
various
levels
throughout
our
local
community
and
State
I'd
like
to
read
from
the
paper
discussion
paper
itself.
U
U
The
reason
why
I
point
that
out
is
because
I
think
this
particular
document.
The
procedures
manual,
will
help
align
and
Institute
best
practices
for
the
city,
the
city,
council,
the
city
staff
and
the
residents
to
follow
the
procedure
manual
combines
many
new,
but
not
very
different
procedures
and
in
to
be
put
in
place
that
other
organizations
already
follow.
U
I
remember
years
ago,
when
interim
a
city
manager,
Greg
Larson,
started
to
guide
the
city
council
at
that
time
in
a
particular
set
of
procedures
on
best
practices
and
how
to
run
meetings
and
operate
in
meetings
and
frankly,
operate
within
themselves.
You,
council
members,
will
those
council
members
in
in
life
is
better
when
everybody
feels
that
there
is
trust
in
a
working
relationship
between
the
council,
the
staff
and
the
residents
on
a
slightly
related
note,
because
I'm
I'm
going
to
get
off
the
zoom
in
a
moment.
U
I
think
this
passing
the
council
procedures
manual,
along
with
the
response
to
the
grand
jury
report
in
item
17,
will
instill
a
lot
of
confidence
in
our
residence
that
the
community,
the
Cupertino
Community,
is
truly
working
towards
becoming
an
operational
least
successful
City.
So
I
appreciate
your
time
this
evening
and
always
in
your
endeavors
and
I
hope
you
pass
the
procedures,
manual
and
item
17
the
response
to
the
grand
jury
report
this
evening.
Thank
you.
K
V
V
I'd
really
suggest
and
I've
I've
seen
models
of
this
that
are
great
and
models,
not
so
great
in
my
time,
not
with
any
of
you
necessarily
but
doing
your
homework
ahead
of
time.
So
reading
your
packet
when
it
comes
out
getting
your
answers
from
staff
in
advance,
if
you
have
questions
get
those
answers
in
advance,
it
allows
you
to
be
more
prepared
and
allows
staff
to
be
more
prepared.
Should
these
questions
come
up
in
public,
they
don't
think
of
everything.
Of
course,
right
so
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
questions
that
come
up.
V
That
really
could
have
been
answered
and
settled
in
advance.
Reiterating
some
of
that
for
the
public
is
something
that
staff
can
do
as
they're
presenting,
and
you
can
also
do
but
doing
it
succinctly
and
having
that
those
conversations
Advance
will
really
facilitate
your
meetings
and
I.
You
know
I
understand,
I've,
been
in
situations
where
I
disagree
with
the
consensus.
That's
forming
it
doesn't.
Do
you
any
good
to
spend
half
an
hour
brow
beating
your
colleagues
to
try
to
convince
them.
You
can
simply
take
five
minutes.
V
Express
Yourself
succinctly,
vote
no
on
the
motion
and-
and
you
know,
go
on
to
live
another
day
and
finally,
I
would
suggest
to
you
in
in
just
observing
things
that
you
can
get
a
lot
more
done.
If
you
think
about
the
form
of
government
that
we
have
here,
which
is
a
council
that
is
primarily
a
policy
setting
body
if
you're
up
at
the
level
of
policy,
you
have
a
lot
more
leverage,
let
the
staff.
Do
the
execution
worry
about
the
details
and
so
forth.
V
K
W
It's
clear
that
the
previous
procedures
were
not
working
to
these
desired
ends.
Previous
Council
meetings
lasted
until
early
hours
of
the
night.
I
was
there
for
many
of
them,
which
discouraged
the
public
from
speaking
by
waiting
until
after
the
council
member
spoke
and
speaking,
the
having
the
council
member
speak
sometimes
at
excess
of
length.
W
I
was
personally
in
these
meetings
and
I
saw
this,
including
watching
residents
give
up
trying
to
speak
after
waiting
for
hours
because
they
had
to
put
their
kids
to
bed
or
they
had
to
get
up
for
work.
In
the
morning
on
January
25th
I
watched
six
of
the
eight
hour
study
session
on
the
city
council
procedures,
which
was
a
line
by
line
review
of
all
of
these.
W
W
There
are
other
things
that
I'm
concerned
about,
which
is
that
I've
heard
that
the
mayor
can
halt
discussion.
Instead,
when
I
looked
at
the
procedures,
it
is
that
three-fifths
of
the
council
can
call
a
question
to
a
vote
when
it
appears
that
a
council
member
is
filibustering
to
extend
a
meeting
or
discussion
is
clearly
not
progressing.
W
We're
not
all
we're
going
to
agree
on
every
portion
of
the
new
procedures
and
I
I
think
that
Rod
sync
said
that
pretty
well,
but
I
urge
you
tonight
to
approve
these
procedures
without
another
long
debate.
City
democracy
is
not
in
danger
from
these
new
procedures.
Instead,
it's
likely
to
improve
for
all
the
residents.
X
X
X
Calendar
I'm
tired
of
too
many
special
meeting
due
to
lack
of
time
management
by
council
members
and
I'm,
tired
of
a
lot
of
the
negative
press
about
the
behavior
of
Cupertino
city
council
members,
who
don't
seem
to
understand
any
ordinance
or
a
city.
Governance
I
urge
you
to
approve
this
procedure's
manual
tonight.
Yes,
it
may
need
to
be
tweaked
in
the
future,
but
Council
processes
need
to
be
streamlined
immediately
starting
tomorrow.
Y
Hi
there,
dear
mayor
wave
vice
mayor,
Mohan
and
council
members,
I'm
speaking
here
only
as
an
individual
resident
of
the
city
I
support
the
proposed
Council
reforms,
because
they're
just
common
sense
for
us
to
have
an
efficiently
run
city
government.
They
lay
out
clear
rules
that
make
it
easier
for
residents
to
participate
in
the
city
meetings
and
to
voice
their
perspectives,
the
expense
it
is
an
access
to
the
working
of
our
city
government
by
limiting
the
ability
of
council
members
and
other
residents
to
extend
Council
meetings
into
long
late
night
meetings.
Y
I've
sat
through
many
many
of
those
that
went
well
into
very
late
night
and
I've
seen
firsthand
how
this
discourages
participation
from
ordinary
residents.
I've
seen
people
wait
in
the
council
chamber
for
two
three
four
hours
and
then
finally
give
up
and
go
home.
That
is
not
good
participation
and
it's
not
respectful
of
the
time
of
our
residents.
Y
These
new
rules
put
checks
and
balances
on
Council
Members
ability
to
have
undue
influence
on
City
matters
and
City
staff,
while
on
Council
and
after
they
stepped
down
from
Council
as
well,
and
that's
a
very
good
thing
too.
Our
city
staff
has
been
demoralized
and
demotivated
over
the
past
few
years.
They
don't
feel
supported
and
many
have
left
the
city
we
have
tons
of
openings
and
we
have
a
reputation,
makes
it
hard
for
us
to
recruit
good
people.
Y
These
reforms
would
protect
our
hard-working
City
staff
and
allow
them
to
do
their
jobs
without
fear
of
recrimination
or
reprisals,
and
that
also
is
a
good
thing.
I
urge
you
to
adopt
the
corporation
Cupertino
city
council
procedures
manual
and
also
approve
the
city's
response
to
the
2022
civil
grand
jury
report
entitled
A
House
Divided.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
thank
you
for
your
service
to
the
city.
A
Thank
you,
madasini
clerk
that
I'm
going
to
bring
this
back
to
the
council.
I
would
like
to
have
permission
from
my
council
members
to
speak.
First
I
want
to
say
actually
the
I
still
have
to
get
used
to
people
calling
me
mayor
way
and
mayor
actually
had
presiding
over
the
meeting.
Has
a
lot
of
I
won't
say
power,
but
ability
to
move
the
agendas
around
already.
For
example,
we
I
just
proposed
that
we
moved
consent.
A
Agendas
have
been
pulled
out
to
the
end
of
the
meeting
and
put
number
15
right
after
the
public
comment
after
the
items,
16
I
already
have
the
ability
to
do
that.
Why
do
I
want
to,
or
we
want
to
pass
this
because
we
all
need
something
to
follow
and
actually
I
consider
that
more
of
a
limiting
of
the
mayor's
power
or
discretion,
because
now
we
have
a
set
of
rules
to
follow
so
first
I
want
to
make
it
clear.
A
Eventually,
this
is
the
first
step,
because
if
we
all
like
my
colleague
at
Fremont,
Union
High,
School
District,
Bill
Wilson,
said,
if
we
have
a
set
of
rules
to
follow,
then
we
understand
each
other,
then
we
can
work
under
a
framework
to
move
forward
together.
That
doesn't
mean
six
months
later,
when
we
have
hey
this
doesn't
work.
We
can
always
bring
it
back
for
reconsideration.
So
I
really
want
everybody
to
know
that
we're
doing
this
so
that
we
can
be
on
the
same
page.
A
We
can
unite
and
move
forward
in
the
same
direction
and
you
know
adjust
each
other
and
become
a
government
team
that
really
works.
Another
point
I
want
to
make
that,
yes,
we
are
elected
to
govern,
but
we
have
to
follow
laws.
We
have
federal
law,
we
have
state
law,
we
have
Public
Utilities
Commission
laws.
We
have
our
own
Municipal
codes
that
we
need
to
follow.
We
don't
make
laws,
we
make
ordinances
resolutions,
we
make
directions
for
the
city,
but
we
have
to
follow
our
own
Municipal
codes.
A
Our
own
musical
code
says
we
are
a
city
manager,
city
council,
form
of
governance.
That's
what
we
need
to
follow
so
I
want
I
hope.
People
realize
that
this
is
a
first
step
to
so
everybody
has
a
framework
to
work
on,
so
we
can
unite
and
move
forward
together,
but
we
can
adjust.
Nothing
is
fixed
so
now
I'm
going
to
open
up
to
console
input
who
would
like
to.
D
A
J
I
cannot
even
imagine
work
being
an
effective
council
member
if
I
didn't
have
a
set
of
procedures
and
policies
that
I
follow.
So
this
is
something
that
is
going
to
help
every
in
me.
Everyone
in
the
future,
including
me,
to
follow
some
guidelines
and
be
more
effective
at
the
job
we've
been
elected
to
to
do
other
than
that
I
think
we've
discussed
this
for
hours
and
hours,
so
I
would
actually
like
to
just
move
forward
and
adopt
the
city,
Council
procedures
manual,.
A
H
G
I
G
And,
and
so
that
was
just
a
a
a
a
a
a
a
transcription
error
and
then
an
8.9,
the
last
sentence
reads:
all
meetings
shall
be
a
joint
adjourned
at
11
30
PM
unless
by
a
majority
vote
of
the
city
council
in
this
Rural
and
Council,
which
is
the
addition
both
affirmatively.
They
extend
the
meeting
past
11
30
PM,
that's
actually
the
second
to
last
sentence
of
section
8.9
and
that
just
that
Council
has
added,
because
without
it
it's
not
really
a
grammatically
correct
sentence.
G
G
H
H
Treaties
this
Treatise
on
Modern
parliamentary
procedure
is
built
on
a
foundation
supported
by
the
following
four
pillars
and
I'll
just
move
to
item.
Four
rules
should
enforce
the
will
of
the
majority,
while
protecting
the
rights
of
the
minority,
and
the
ultimate
purpose
of
rules
of
procedure
is
to
encourage
discussion
and
to
facilitate
decision
making
by
the
body.
There's
also
a
couple
other
pillars
that
I
think
the
public
might
appreciate.
H
Rules
should
be
clear:
Simple
Rules,
lead
to
wider
understanding
and
participation.
Complex
rules
create
two
classes,
those
who
understand
and
participate
and
those
who
do
not
fully
understand
and
do
not
fully
participate
and
rules
should
be
user
friendly.
That
is
the
rules
must
be
simple
enough
that
the
public
is
invited
into
the
body
and
feels
that
it
has
participated
in
the
process
and
we've
heard
from
a
number
of
people
who
feel
that
they
are
being
excluded
by
this
process
and
and
I
agree.
H
I
agree
with
what
they're
saying
so
at
issue
with
8.3
is
that
currently
the
deliberations
would
continue
unless
somebody
calls
the
question
and
calling
the
question
means
that
the
motion
that
was
made
the
deliberations
are
going
to
stop
you're,
going
to
immediately
take
a
vote
and
you
need
to
have
a
super
majority
in
this
case.
That
would
be
four
people
a
four
out
of
five
voting
to
end
the
deliberations
and
the
motion
will
be
called
for
a
vote
now.
What
this
proposes
is
that
the
mayor
becomes
four
votes.
One
person
is
worth
four
votes.
H
The
mayor
may
allow
additional
time
for
deliberations
where
appropriate,
this
rule
shall
displace
any
conflicting
rule
in
the
city's
adopted
rules
of
procedure
which
are
rosenberg's
rules.
So,
instead
of
having
the
required
four
vote
to
end
deliberations,
this
one
rule
here
says
one
person
and
our
our
mayor
is
not
directly
elected.
Our
mayor
is
elected
by
this
Council,
not
by
the
city.
G
Don't
think
so,
so
so
so
so
so
the
the
the
the
rules
as
proposed
that
the
the
mayor
would
would
have
the
authority
to
set
time
limits
for
a
debate
if,
if
there
was
an
objection
to
those
time
limits
there,
you
know
that
any
you
know
any
council
member
could
object
to
the
time
limits
and
the
mayor's
ruling
could
be
overruled
by
three
council
members.
It
is
different.
G
You
know
to
to
accounts
a
member
Moore's
point
of
the
default
in
in
rosenberg's
Rules
of
Order,
which
would
require
four
votes
to
to
call
the
question
and
end
debate.
You
know
that
said:
Council
adopted
rosenberg's
Rules
of
Order
it
it
has
the
ability
to
modify
them.
It's
not
unusual
for
jurisdictions
to
adopt
rules
of
procedure,
standard
rules
of
procedure
with
some
minor
modifications,
and
so
it
is
ultimately
up
to
council
to
to
balance
the
the
the
interests
at
stake
here.
F
D
F
H
Through
the
mayor-
okay-
yes,
this
this
is
not
described
in
this
Council
questions
and
deliberations
and
going
back
to
the
four
pillars.
Rules
should
be
clear:
rules
should
be
user,
friendly
rules
should
enforce
the
will
of
the
majority
while
protecting
the
rights
of
the
minority
and
I.
Don't
think
this
rule
protects
the
rights
of
the
minority,
and
nor
do
we
have
a
situation
where
we've
had
as
council
member
fruen
invented
a
filibuster
problem.
We
do
not
have
a
filibuster
problem.
H
D
H
I
So
yeah
I
emphatically
disagree
with
with
councilmember
Moore's
description
of
the
situation.
This
set
of
rules
guarantees
the
minority
a
certain
amount
of
time
to
speak
right
now.
Under
our
rules
as
they
exist,
the
mayor
could
decide
exactly
how
much
time
we
all
get.
That's
how
it
is.
This
guarantees
you
actual
time,
five
minutes
for
questions
five
minutes
for
deliberations
after
that.
I
If
you
can't
make
your
case
in
five
minutes,
you
shouldn't
be
able
to
be
to
be
talking
unless
there
is
a
really
good
reason
to
move
forward,
and
the
mayor
can
allow
that
to
happen.
A
majority
of
council
could
allow
that
to
happen
so
that
you
can't
have
a
mayor
who
abuses
it
but
I'm.
Sorry,
we
have
had
plenty
of
meetings
where
people
have
talked
Ad
nauseam
that
should
have
been
wrapped
up
much
much
earlier.
This
forces
us
to
actually
be
concise.
So,
yes,
there
is
a
filibuster,
that's
occurring!
It's
just
slow
grinding.
F
So
I
have
some
question
for
staff.
One
member
of
the
public
brought
up
that
there
has
never
been
any
meeting
where
in
a
study
session
on
action
has
taken
place,
but
the
other
member
referred
to
a
coming
from
city
manager.
I
think
it
was
referring
to
the
August
29th
2022
housing
element,
I,
think
I
looked
up
that
specific
item.
It
was
not
a
study
session.
Could
we
clarify?
Has
there
ever
been?
Any
statistician
of
action
has
been
taken.
G
F
G
There
certainly
have
been
action
taken
at
study
sessions,
whether
what
you
know
how
you
characterize
that
action
is
very
subjective,
but
there's
been
many
instances
even
since
I've
been
here
that
Council
has
acted
at
a
study
session
anytime
staff
Council
provides
direction
to
staff.
That's
an
action
it.
You
know.
If.
F
No
January
17th
was
the
very
first
time
a
resolution
was
put
on
as
an
action
for
study
session,
but
that
has
never
happened
before
before
we
had
always
had
discussion
give
direction,
but
the
formal
section
would
action
would
always
come
later.
That's
the
stated
by
the
Berkeley
and
Palo
Alto
Council
procedures
and
I.
All
I'm
asking
is
that's
a
long-standing
practice
of
Cupertino.
Can
you
confirm
that
we.
G
Attorney,
okay,
so
emotion
is
also
an
action
by
Council,
which
is
is
routinely
done
in
study
sessions.
You
know
that
that
said,
I
think
you
know,
rather
than
sort
of
arguing
about
what
an
action
or
or
lack
of
action
is
I
mean
certainly
I
mean
this
would
be
the
opportunity
if,
if
Council
wishes,
to
prescribe
rules
around
what
a
study
session
is
and
isn't
to
to
do
that
because,
right
now
we
if
we
don't
have
rules
which
is,
is
of
course.
G
D
B
D
F
F
F
G
That's
incorrect.
This
is
the
chapter
chapter
2.17.043
regulates
how
the
city
manager
should
treat
requests
for
information
from
Council
it.
It
gives
the
city
manager
discretion
to
manage
those
requests,
be
you
know
to
to
both
be
respectful
of
Staff
time
and
that's
also
to
be
respectful
of
the
prerogative
of
the
full
Council.
G
A
F
A
H
Please,
and
thank
you
so
with
regards
to
item
3.1,
the
mayor
has
historically
taken
council
member
input
on
their
preferred
committees,
and
the
mayor
has
taken
that
into
consideration
along
with
their
the
individual's
knowledge
and
the
rotations,
and
we
did
not
see
that
this
time.
This
item
appears
to
expand
on
the
the
mayor's
power
to.
H
This
city
has
not
been
following
resolution
07-103,
which
is
regarding
the
the
mayor's
fund
and
I
I
I'm
concerned
about
this
being
kept
in
here
when
we're
not
following
it.
At
this
point,
do
staff
intend
to
have
us
go
back
to
following
this
resolution
in
order
to
remedy
the
situation,
because
it's
it's
what's
being
referred
to,
and
you
just
hold
that
question
and
then,
with
regards
to
item
6.6,
the
the
public
records
act
item
is
many
members
of
the
public
have
spoken
about
this
I
I
find
it
unacceptable.
H
A
Thank
you
so
I
really
want
to
say,
because
the
mayor's
then
continue
to
come
out.
This
is
actually
not
to
give
mayor
more
power.
You
know,
I
did
if
I
have
to
say.
I
did
took
your
first
priority
into
consideration
already
before
your
second
thing
reach
me.
So
let's
not
talk
about
that.
I'm.
Just
saying
that
these
are
procedures
to
follow,
I,
don't
think
the
Mayors
get
anymore
and
I'm
going
to
be
a
mayor
just
one
year.
So
it's
not
going
to
be
I'm
going
to
be
mayor
forever.
A
So
I'm
just
going
to
say
it.
We
have
gone
through
item
by
item,
I
have
two
minutes
already
and
it's
eight
and
a
half
hours
you
know
went
through
and
vice
mayor
council
member
ciao.
Thank
you
for
complimenting
me
for
really
listening
to
everybody
when
every
item
take
our
time
to
do
it,
even
though
you
know
we
I
think
we
should,
and
we
have
and
all
the
public
comments
on
each
item
and
we
talk
about
each
item.
A
This
is
something
we
all
follow,
whether
mayor
vice
mayor
council
members
next
mayor,
so
this
is
for
us
to
follow
and
I
do
think
it
doesn't
mean
we
don't
come
back
in
six
months
or
a
year
say:
hey
that
does
not
work,
let's
revisit
it
and
as
for
the
mayor's
fund,
I'm
the
one
who
want
to
follow
it.
So
if
the
previous
Mayors
did
not
follow
you,
we
can
start
to
follow
it.
So
I
have
no
problem
following
that
mayor's
fund
guidelines,
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear.
A
This
really
is
something
that
I
think.
If
we
all
could
do
it
for
a
while
make
sure
you
know
it
do
we
have
better
governance
after
we
follow
this.
This
is
something
that
we
all
can.
You
know
abide
to
and,
like
vice
mayor
Mohan
said
she
would
love
to
have
those
guidelines
for
us
to.
You
know
work
together
so
again,
I
want
to
emphasize.
This
is
something
we
want
to
work
together,
so
we
all
follow
the
same
guidelines.
Thank
you
go
ahead.
Yes,
please.
F
Thank
you
definitely
I
think
we
should
have
guidelines
to
follow.
No
problem,
no
question
about
that
and
definitely
I.
Think
with
council
member
Hong.
Wei
I
mean
mayor
how
we
have
you
are
very
collaborative.
The
problem
is
you:
we
only
have
you
for
one
year.
The
next
mayor
may
be
very
authoritative
and
they
may
utilize
a
lot
of
these
rules
and
not
utilizing
it
in
a
way
that
shuts
down
discussion
so
I'm.
This
is
not
really
against
you,
but
it's
when
we
make
rules.
F
I
So
I
think
one
of
the
issues
here
is
that
we
have
a
lot
of
long-standing
practices
that
don't
actually
work.
It
doesn't
work
that
we
have
two
people
who
can
set
everything
on
the
agenda
and
we
wind
up
with
six
pages
worth
of
of
items
that
are
to
be
addressed
at
some
future
date
and
time
that
actually
imbues
a
huge
amount
of
power
in
the
city
manager,
because
at
some
point
the
city
manager
is
going
to
have
to
make
a
decision.
I
What
do
I
put
on
this
this
agenda
and
the
mayor
is
going
to
have
to
concur
with
it
in
order
to
make
it
happen.
That's
not
a
good
way
of
governing
a
city,
it's
much
better
to
have
something
actually
written
down.
I
think
it's
also
clear
that,
under
our
current
practice,
since
we
don't
have
any
actual
rules,
that
a
majority
could
right
now
remove
everything
on
the
the
to
be
decided
calendar,
it
is
simply
just
not
been
our
practice.
We've
accumulated
a
huge
number
of
things
that
are
there
all
the
way
back
to
2019.
I
I,
don't
think
that's
a
good
way
of
running
a
city
like
I
said
there
are
some
things
that
are
not
working
right
now.
Having
too
much
discussion
that
is
unfocused
is
something
that
is
not
working
right
now.
This
set
of
rules
will
help
reduce
that
problem,
so
that
we
are
all
forced
to
ask
our
questions
in
advance
be
concise
because
we
have
to
be
economical
with
our
time.
Five
minutes
for
questions
five
minutes
for
discussion
individually
is
gobs
of
time
and
you're
guaranteed
it.
I
At
some
point,
we
have
to
find
a
balance
between
the
right
of
the
majority
to
move
its
will
and
the
right
of
the
minority
to
be
able
to
express
itself.
I
think
that
this
finds
that
balance
and
it
has
to
function
in
a
situation
where
people
sometimes
fundamentally
don't
trust
each
other
I
think
we
can
acknowledge
that.
That
is
a
problem
for
some
of
us
up
here.
I
A
H
With
regards
to
having
a
single
council
member,
be
able
to
a
continued
discussion,
I'd
like
to
bring
up
the
sb9
changes
and
that
we
made
for
for
the
final
ordinance
and
the
reason
I
bring,
that
up
is
because
I
was
a
loan
council
member
looking
at
the
cubic
yardage
that
could
be
moved
on
a
hillside
and
I
sat
here.
I
looked
at
something
which
hadn't
occurred
to
me.
It
was
about
2500
cubic
yards
could
be
moved
of
soil
and,
as
you
know,
in
my
background,
civil
engineering
I've
done
grading
plans.
H
A
So
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
I
think
everybody
has
one
minute.
What
I
would
like
to
say
is
I
want
to
Echo
councilmember
child.
You
said
a
couple
times:
we
actually
don't
do
it.
We
actually
don't
hold
up.
You
know
forever,
and
so
so
I
want
to
see
both
sides
right.
We
have
a
sort
of
guidelines
to
follow,
but
we
actually
maybe
don't
need
it
so
I
still
I.
My
inclination
is.
We
have
a
lot
of
discussion
on
this.
A
Let's
move
on
because
it's
10
30,
we
are
many
one
half
hours,
DeLay
So,
let's
move
on
and
test
it.
Try
it
see
if
the
public
feels
that
they
they
they
could
could
not
speak
see
if
we
feel
that
we're
being
you
know,
minimized
of
our
input
and
and
then
we
can
come
and
visit
six
months
later
and
really
review.
Are
these
guidelines
working
because
you
agree
that
we
need
to
have
a
guideline.
F
So
every
one
of
the
question
that
I
asked
earlier
are
not
only
long-standing
practice
in
Cupertino,
it's
long-standing
practice
in
almost
every
city.
So
this
Council.
If
you
approve
this
draft
Council
procedure
today,
you
will
go
down
on
record
as
the
first
city
in
medical
California
or
the
entire
state
to
adopt
a
practice.
That's
anti-democratic!
So
I
would
like
to
give
this
Council
a
chance
to
consider
proposal.
I
have
I
have
I'd
like
to
propose
a
substitute
motion
and
each
one
business.
E
F
Each
one
addressed
the
question
I
have
added
earlier.
So
here
is
my
motion:
I
redlined
the
proposed
agenda.
Edit
number
one
address
the
issue
where
the
mayor
has
I
think
the
mayor
should
make
a
recommendation
rather
than
a
point
and
then
Rectify,
so
that
addressed
that
issue.
The
mayor
should
make
a
recommendation
and
then
approved
by
the
council
as
our
long-standing
practice.
Second,
edit
remove
the
no
council
member
circumvent
I.
F
Think
the
proposed
language
earlier,
that's
written
by
the
City
attorney
is
clear:
when
there
is
information
that
really
need
the
staff
work,
significant
working
load
bring
it
to
the
council,
let
the
council
decide.
Maybe
there
are
certain
information,
we
don't
know
and
we
need
that
information.
So
that's
not
a
lot.
Let's
not
go
on
the
record
to
allow
us
adopt
this
practice.
No
other
city
has
adopted
as
a
city
manager
attorney
mentioned.
F
83
is
remove
this
line
where
any
item
may
be
removed
for
future
agenda
by
a
majority
vote
of
the
council.
The
municipal
code
of
Cupertino
does
not
support
that.
The
current
Municipal
Code
allowed
to
remember
to
put
on
the
agenda
and
edit
four
remove
this
line.
Removing
the
item
from
allow
basically
allowing
the
public
member
to
pull
item-
that's
a
long-standing
practice
of
Cupertino
when
Rob
sticks
was
on
the
console.
F
When
Sandy
James
went
on
the
console
when
Gilbert
were
on
the
council,
all
the
people
who
supported
you
guys
and
the
next
edit
remove
these
last
few
lines
which
will
allow
the
mayor
to
shut
down
discussion.
I
have
confirmed
that
with
the
city
attorney
the
current
statement
as
written,
allow
one
the
mayor
when
we
have
a
very
mayor
not
as
collaborative
as
council
member
as
mayor
way,
if
that's
when
I'm
concerned,
so
I
would
like
to
remove
that
and
add
rosenberg's
rules.
F
As
adopted
English
solution,
number
2018
114
shall
be
followed
where
only
a
super
majority
vote
would
approve
call
to
the
for
the
question
or
to
the
question
to
shut
down
deliberation.
86
I'd
like
to
clarify
our
long-standing
practice
and
also
practiced
by
other
cities.
The
study
sessions
are
used
to
conduct
discussions
and
there
might
be
strong
vote
directions,
but
then
there
is
no
formal
procedure.
This
is
copied
from
Palo
Alto
city
council
procedure.
So
this
is
my
motion
with
the
six
edits
subsidy.
M
A
H
H
H
We
are
really
honoring
their
their
hard
work
that
they've
done
over
the
years.
We've
had
items
pulled
from
consent
and
had
presentations
presented
to
us
and
shown
information
that
we
were
unaware
of
and
we're
really
honoring
their
their
work
and
dedication
and
care
about
the
city
allowing
them
to
do
that.
The
example
given
for
the
county
is
they've
got
a
different
agenda.
H
I
would
also
remove
the
line
that
each
council
member
May
remove
one
item
from
the
consent
calendar
without
providing
notice
before
the
council
meeting
begins.
What
this
rule
will
result
in
can
result
in
is
that
you're
going
to
have
members
of
the
public,
and
it's
already
happening,
because
some
people
thought
this
rule
started
tonight.
You'll
have
members
of
the
public
contacting
the
council
member
saying:
can
you
pull
this
item
and
and
then
we've
got
to
get
these
items
pulled?
H
You
know
on
on
their
behalf,
or
will
simply
say
you
know,
I'm
going
to
pull
all
the
all
the
consent
items
for
for
the
next
meeting,
I'm
just
going
to
pull
them
all
and
then,
when
we
get
to
the
meeting,
I'll
we'll
put
put
them
back
and
that
way
I've
got
a
fail,
safe.
So
I
think
when,
when
you
have
rules
that
are
too
restrictive,
people
go
go
around
them.
It's
it's
a
human
nature.
F
F
Make
another
substantive
motion
so
I
think
the
way
we
have
worked
in
the
past
two
to
four
years
has
been.
We
make
compromises
so
that
we
can
get
more
support
for
the
item
on
the
agenda
rather
than
standing
our
ground
and
saying
no,
no,
no!
No!
No
so
I
would
like
to
suggest
on
a
subset
of
what
I
proposed
on
the
in
the
things
that
I
think
is
most
important.
F
That
should
not
change
actually
much
of
what
we
the
practice
we
have
in
mind,
but
it
would
clean
up
on
the
language
the
the
bad
perception
about
the
proposed
proposal.
So
one
is
added
two
where,
because
the
last
paragraph
really
doesn't
change
anything
about
the
process,
I'll
just
highlight
that
the
last
paragraph,
the
last
sentence,
doesn't
change
anything
about
the
process,
because
we
are
already
saying
that
any
such
requests
should
go
to
the
entire
Council.
So
why
add
it?
The
last
one
will
just
say
that
City
manage
your
Direction.
Regarding
request.
F
This
council
member
should
not
circumvent
city
managers
Direction
regarding
public
records
requests
through
stores
through
filing
a
public
records,
request,
I
think
if
there
is
a
need,
that's
let
the
city
manager
bring
it
to
the
council,
and
then
the
console
can
decide
if
that
public
records
request
will
be
necessary
or
more
information
is
needed.
So
this
last
sentence
really
creates
this
negative
relationship
between
Council
and
the
staff.
Someone
is
circumventing
another.
So
would
you
I
hope
that
I
get
support
for
that
and
the
next
one
is
I.
F
F
H
Yes,
I
will,
second,
that
and
I
appreciate
that
you
with
regards
to
6.6
you're
you're
working
to
ensure
the
the
rights
of
the
council
members
as
as
Citizens
to
to
exercise
their
their
right
with
the
public
records
act.
I
really
appreciate
that,
and
also
with
the
ensuring
the
that
the
rights
of
the
minority
are
respected
and
I.
Think
that's
really
important
and
I
sense.
I
think
it
sends
a
really
good
message.
H
H
D
F
B
H
I
A
F
My
fellow
council
members
were
not
even
compromise
on
something
that
really
is
just
making
this
procedure
menu
more
friendly,
rather
than
making
that
yeah,
I
and
and
I'm
very
disappointed
that
you
are
willing
to
go
down
on
record
on
approved.
Without
any
compromise
and
saying
that
you
are
collaborative
saying
that
you
compromised,
but
then
the
action
doesn't
support
the
words
I'm
very
disappointed.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
your
comment.
I
still
want
to
say,
we've
worked
on
this
for
eight
and
a
half
hours,
and
we
did
compromise
on
that
and
let's
try
this
out.
It
doesn't
mean
it
doesn't
work
that
we
don't
come
back
as
councilmember
Freon
said
to
readjust
it.
So
I
will
any
more
comments.
If
not
yes,
councilmember
Moore.
A
A
A
We
had
about
an
hour
to
go
through
two
items,
so
I
consulted
with
City
attorney
Jensen,
because
we've
passed
the
our
council
meeting
procedures.
We
can
follow
that
with
this
item
and
give
it
a
test,
and
so
we're
going
to
item
number
17,
consider
approval
of
response
to
2022
civil
grand
jury
of
Santa
Clara
County
report
entitled
A
house
divided.
G
G
So
we're
here
today
to
discuss
the
grand
jury
report
that
we
received
in
December.
That's
entitled,
A
house
divided
the
Cupertino
city,
council
and
City
staff.
It
was
released
by
the
Santa
Clara
County
Civil
grand
jury
on
December
17th
pursuant
to
the
California
state
law.
The
city
must
respond
to
the
findings
and
recommendations
in
the
report
within
90
days
and
we're
here
to
seek
council's
guidance
on
a
draft
response.
That's
provided
in
your
agenda
packet.
The
proposed
response
focuses
on
the
grand
jury's
findings
and
recommendations.
G
That
is
what
we
are
legally
required
to
respond
to
I.
Think
I
I
want
to
just
briefly
pause
here
to
note
that
that
doesn't
that
with
the
fact
that
we
are
not
responding
to
every
factual
conclusion
in
the
report
means
that
necessarily
all
those
conclusions
are
accurate
or
we
agree
agree
to
them
and
in
particular
you
know
there
was.
There
was
a
a
a
description
of
a
council
member
inquiry
into
staff
credit
card
usage,
which
is
inaccurate
in
material
respects
and
I.
G
Think
it's
important
to
acknowledge
that,
at
the
same
time
as
acknowledging
that
I
think
it's
important
to
to
to
to
to
to
to
to
to
take
some
of
the
things
in
this
report.
That
I
think
resonate
with
me
at
least,
and
to
use
it
as
an
opportunity
to
discuss
those.
You
know
here
amongst
ourselves
and
with
the
members
of
the
public
that
are
present.
G
So
I'm
just
going
to
briefly
go,
go
over
the
grand
jury's
findings
and
recommendations
and
basically
those
focused
on
consomatic
interference
and
mutual
distrust
between
Council
and
staff.
The
failure
to
provide
the
monthly
treasury
reports
to
council,
which
is
also
addressed
in
a
separate
report
that
addressed
cities
throughout
the
county
and
the
city,
has
already
responded
to
various
fiscal
and
risk
management
issues.
City
staff
turned
over
and
then
the
city's
ethics
policy.
G
So,
at
the
render
of
this
presentation
is
really
going
to
focus
focus
not
so
much
on
what
the
grand
jury
found,
but
on
this,
what
the
city's
response
has
been
to
date
and
then
what
potential
you
know
potential
and
planned
future
responses
are
to
the
Grand
jury's
findings
so
and
I'm
going
to
start
with
some
of
the
responses
in
the
areas
of
governance.
So
we
attended
the
city
council
Retreat,
focusing
on
government
issues
on
February
3rd.
G
So
you
know
so
all
of
you
have
that
experience
fresh
in
your
mind.
We've
also
undertaken
an
Enterprise
leadership
study,
part
of
our
internal
audit
plan
and
that
study
will
assess
the
effectiveness
of
the
city's
management
and
governance
phrase
work
and
provide
recommendation
to
improve
those
procedures.
And
it's
again
this
January
is
expected
to
be
completed
in
June
of
this
year
and
then
also.
G
G
City
response
has
also
had
responses
to
address
some
of
the
fiscal
risk
management
issues
that
were
identified
in
the
grand
jury's
report.
So
there's
been
a
new
Erp
software
purchased
by
the
city,
since
some
of
those
findings
were
were
some
of
those
concerns
were
raised
and
increased
segregation
of
financial
duties,
there's
been
increased,
stamping
Staffing
to
improve
Financial
controls.
Based
on
on
the
work
of
of
the
audit
committee,
the
city
did
begins
in
the
its
mission
of
monthly
treasury
reports
to
Council
in
2021.
G
It
also,
you
know
we,
its
Council,
has
approved
an
audit,
an
audit
work
plan
and
we'll
continue
to
implement
that
that
plan,
the
the
grand
jury
recommends
and
Council
may
consider
revisions
to
the
ethics
policy.
I
think
that's
an
area
where
it
would
be
helpful
to
get
direction
from
Council,
because
that
is
not
ongoing
work
at
this
time
and
then
there's
an
ongoing
Focus
among
the
city
management
team
on
governments
and
developing
clear
policies.
G
You
know
again,
we
we
just
finished
discussing
one
of
those
policies
that
I
think
is
important
to
have
and
and
based
on
your
vote,
we'll
be
revisiting
that
again
in
six
months
to
try
to
make
it
work
better.
So
so
so,
just
to
kind
of
summarize
that
that
a
lot
of
the
policy
and
process
responses
that
are
consistent
with
the
grand
jury's
recommendations
are
really.
You
know,
either
in
the
process
of
being
implemented
by
the
city
manager
or
or
implemented
in
response
to
policy
direction.
G
That
Council
has
provided
at
various
times
so
so
we
are
headed
in
the
right
direction.
You
know
that
said,
I
think
I
I
would
need
to
point
out
that
you
know
there
are
issues
of
council
culture
that
that
are
are
evident
in
some
of
the
grand
jury's
findings
that
you
know
we'll
need
to
address
and
that's
very
difficult
to
address
those
just
through
policy
changes
alone.
G
A
G
So
for
purposes
of
the
response
today,
I
I
would
it
would
be
if,
if
that's
a
direction
Council
wants
to
go
in
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
get
a
direction
from
from
Council
to
include
that
policy
initiative
in
the
response
with
a
you
know,
intention
for
for
for
for
for
staff
to
pursue
that
and
bring
it
back
to
council.
And
then
you
know
if,
if
I,
if
we
could
I
would
I,
would
recommend
allowing
allowing
me
to
work
with
the
city
manager
to
to
discuss
the
timing
of
that
response.
Offline.
D
G
F
D
F
F
H
Remember
more,
thank
you.
So
I
appreciate
the
city
attorney's
statement
to
of
clarification
regarding
the
the
incorrect
paragraph
they
had
in
the
report.
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
that
I
believe
was
about
me
and
I
did
provide
a
a
statement
in
the
written
Communications
I.
Don't
know
if
you've
seen
it
but
I'm
curious
about
the
penalties
for
making
false
statements.
Item.
G
H
Yeah
yeah
I'm
concerned
about
that
one
one,
a
couple
of
things
that
I
thought
were
were
somewhat
confusing,
perhaps
to
the
public
in
finding
three.
The
report
makes
it
sound
like
the
embezzlement
which
ended
around
September
of
2014
was
found
in
2014
I,
don't
know
if,
if
you
caught
that,
that
was
misleading,
the
city
doesn't
correct.
It
I,
don't
know
that
they
should
so
that
the
public
will
understand
that
the
embezzlement
was
found
in
2018
and
I've.
So
I
don't
know.
G
So
so
again,
the
general
approach
that
the
response
took
would
was
to
respond
to
the
findings
and
recommendations.
You
know
and
not
necessarily
to
every
factual
statement
in
the
report.
You
know
that
that
is
the
requirement
under
the
penal
code
and
and
I
think
that's
probably
actually
the
the
most
productive
thing
for
the
city.
As
far
as
framing
the
discussion
about
sort
of
you
know,
what's
in
there
that
we
agree
with,
and
what's
in
there,
that
we
disagree
with.
H
I
I
K
Yes,
mayor
I
have
three
blue
speaker
cards
for
the
people
that
are
in
Community,
Hall
and
I.
See
three
people
have
their
hands
raised
in
Zoom.
If
you
could
have
your
hands
raised,
anyone
wishing
to
speak
on
the
side-
and
please
have
your
answers-
raise
in
the
next
five
minutes,
as
well
as
in
Community
Hall.
So
we
have
Connie
Cunningham,
Jennifer,
Griffin
and
hema
kondagi
welcome
Connie.
L
I
do
I,
am
impressed
with
our
attorney's
Jensen
to
to
come
up
with
the
answers
and
to
show
where
we
have
already
done
some
things
to
get
better
and
that
we
take
when
we
take
exception
and
that
kind
of
thing
so
I
thought
it
was
very,
very
professionally
done
and
I
appreciate
it
and
I
hope
that
we
can
take
care
of
that
this
evening
and
put
it
behind
us.
Thank
you.
M
A
good
evening,
city,
council
I
just
witnessed
something
that
I
never
thought
that
I
would
see
in
23
years,
so
I
won't
go
down
that
road.
I
think
that
the
I've
used
the
term
dog
and
pony
show
before
for
the
housing
element.
The
arena
numbers
I
hate
to
say
this,
but
this
jury
report
really
I
won't
say
what
it
was,
but
it's
very
capricious
it's
very.
M
It
I
understand
that
the
grand
jury
you
know,
but
to
attack
two
of
our
sitting
city,
council
members
and
our
former
mayor.
Where
did
these
people
get
off?
You
know,
I,
don't
think
that
the
public
fully
understands
the
strain
that
elected
officials
go
through.
I
have
gone
through
many
many
things
with
Darcy
with
Kitty
and
with
Liang
and
I
would
tell
you
right
now.
If
we
were
starting
out
with
a
Revolutionary,
War
I
would
follow
these
people
to
the
end
of
the
Earth.
M
We
started
out
fighting
the
housing
element
in
San
Jose
and
that's
why
they're
sitting
in
office?
This
is
what
cities
do.
This
is
what
democracy
is
about.
This
is
why
I
had
family
members
die
in
North
Carolina.
In
1765,
five
people
from
one
family
and
then
we
they
took
up
the
brothers,
took
up
the
fight
with
George
Washington
and
Thomas
Jefferson.
Yes,
you
may
laugh
about
it,
but
it's
my
family,
history
and
I
see
every
evidence
that
we're
going
down
this
road
again.
M
M
I
have
great
respect
for
you.
Our
current
attorney
I
do
but
I
will
tell
you.
Mr
Killian
was
one
of
the
most
Noble
wonderful
attorneys
that
we
had
and
he
would
explain
things
to
us.
We
learned
and
Chris
I
believe
you
are
of
the
same.
Caliber
I
have
no
problem
with
what
you're
doing,
but
the
load
that
has
been
put
on
the
public
by
this
type
of
civil
grand
jury
report.
You
talk
about
dysfunction.
M
We
we
didn't
have
dysfunction
when
Darcy
was
mayor,
nothing,
but
what
I
witnessed
tonight
is
complete
dysfunction
in
one
month.
The
audacity
that
people
that
were
just
elected
are
telling
the
public
that
nothing
that
they
believe
in
is
worth
anything
after
23
years
and
five
years
on
the
Planning
Commission
I
mean
sorry.
The
Board
of
Supervisors
and
I
was
raised
in
the
county
under
the
Board
of
Supervisors.
Don't
tell
me
that
what
I
believe
is
wrong.
You
know
I'm,
sorry,
thank
you.
Jennifer.
K
S
Hello
fellow
night,
owls
I
would
like
to
speak
on
item
17.
The
grand
jury
findings.
Please,
the
grand
jury
made
some
recommendations
and
we
really
do
have
to
respect.
Are
our
justice
system
and
our
checks
and
measures
and
not
second-guess
them?
Civil
grand
juries
is
a
a
process
and
procedure
that
has
existed
to
protect
the
governance
of
all
cities
throughout
the
United
States
and
so
I
would
really
like
you
to
follow
the
recommendations
of
the
grand
jury.
Please
complete
the
processes
and
procedures
that
follow
the
grand
jury.
S
S
The
grand
jury
findings
were
very
critical
of
the
80
loss
of
high-level
staff
because
of
the
dysfunctional
treatment
by
certain
specific
council
member
and
prior
mayor
increase
of
Pras
public
risk
act,
requests
from
minimal
single
digit
requests
per
year
to
suddenly
over
20
era,
requests
from
a
single
single
council
member.
It's
very
very
startling,
to
say
the
least.
This
took
up
over
300
hours
of
City
staff,
fight
for
information,
Gardner
that
garnered
nothing
significant.
S
The
300
hours
could
have
been
used
instead
to
complete
projects
in
the
city
work
plan
when
our
staff
is
so
understaffed,
because
the
best
flight,
the
information
could
have
been
obtained
via
proper
normal
channels
through
the
city
manager,
rather
than
hijacking
the
city
staff's
time
and
availability
through
abusive
use
of
Pras
and
abusing
our
system
of
Civic
city
government.
So
going
around
processes
is
not
a
commendable
procedure.
It's
not
a
commendable
human
behavior,
so
I
would
recommend
that
all
the
council
people
every
one
of
them.
S
K
Z
Evening,
mayor
way,
vice
mayor,
Mohan,
council
members
and
City
attorney,
Jensen
I
would
like
to
thank
City
attorney
Jensen
for
clarifying
that
the
errors
in
the
report
are
not
being
addressed
that
you
are
focusing
on
the
response
required
by
law.
I
also
appreciate
that
you
specifically
clarified
that
the
statement
regarding
council
member
Moore
was
inaccurate.
Z
Z
Z
We
have
no
access
other
than
with
the
public
records
request
and
I.
Don't
think
that
if,
if
a
council
member
has
the
council
member
has
the
right
to
information
to
make
informed
decisions,
and
if
they
ask
for
that
information-
and
they
don't
get
any
response,
then
a
public
records
request
is
the
only
way
they
can
get
that
information,
because
they're
being
they're
not
getting
a
response
in
a
timely
manner.
If
that
can
be
fixed
and
a
response
can
be
handled,
then
that's
okay,
I
watched
the
workshop
I
know.
Z
I'm
short
I
think
that
it
was
a
good
idea,
but
the
last
hour
was
the
most
productive
and
I
think
you
should
have
it
every
six
months,
six
weeks,
but
only
that
last
half
hour,
part
where
people
can
talk
and
ask
questions
and
Express
their
frustrations
on
how
to
work
around
it.
That
was
very
productive,
so
every
six
weeks
I
think,
would
benefit
all
of
you.
Thank.
K
T
T
Adopting
this
procedures
manual
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
I
think
the
code
of
ethics
was
a
vital,
vital
component,
which
I
noticed
we've
adopted
again
I,
remember
asking
at
the
time
when
they
had
gotten
rid
of
it
and
I
I
asked
Darcy
Paul.
He
said.
Oh
it's
because
the
staff
was
insulin
and
I
said
what
does
the
staff
have
to
do
with
the
code
of
ethics,
but
he
was
gone.
I
never
got
that
answer,
but
an
80
loss
of
staff
is
is
the
answer
we
need
respect.
T
This
is
our
our
government
is
our
governing
is
by
City
Manager.
We
need
to
respect
our
staff
and
their
time
and
respect
each
other.
It
gives
the
public
more
time
to
be
able
to
put
their
input,
give
their
input
so
I
think
we
really
need
to
respond
and
address
and
correct
anything
that
was
incorrect
in
the
report.
K
V
Thank
you
very
much,
Council
I'm,
I'm
glad
that
the
grand
jury
chose
to
take
up
this
matter.
As
you
know,
our
grand
juries
look
at
problems
in
branches
of
local
government
and
agencies.
Vta
has
had
three
grand
jury
reports.
The
the
Water
Valley
Water
has
had
several
and
I
think
it's
important
to
take
this
seriously.
V
Now
you
in
in
this
draft
are
partially
disagreeing
with
findings
number
one,
two
three
I
guess
no
I'm,
sorry
findings.
One
and
two
are
the
ones
I
want
to
focus
on
it.
Had
they
spent
more
time
and
dug
deeper,
they
would
have
found
that
the
examples
that
they
cited
were
just
scratching
the
surface.
I
would
suggest
you
change
the
language
to
Simply.
Agree
you'll,
be
stronger
for
having
met
this
a
challenge
with
honesty
and
deliberation
rather
than
trying
to
to
say.
Well,
you
really
disagree
or
you
partially
disagree.
V
It's
just
not
I
mean
the
findings
of
one
and
two
and
my
experience
are
are
are,
are,
are
accurate
and,
and
you
present
a
weaker
response
by
denying
that
they're,
not
as
for
the
fiscal
finding.
It's
certainly
the
case
that
it's
most
important
to
note
that
when
we
finally
got
a
system
we
were
able
to
erect
refined
the
variances
and
issues
that
had
come
up.
So
thanks
to
that
it
system
that
was
put
in
place.
V
AA
AA
AA
So
many
discrepancies
and
reports
that
had
been
you
know
shoved
under
the
rug,
not
noted
professionals
brought
to
City
Council
meetings
and
it
just
it
was
quite
I
mean
it
was
amazing.
I
I,
I
firsthand
witnessed
several
of
them.
I
couldn't
believe
reading
some
of
the
statements
and
seeing
the
truth
at
the
time.
I'm
not
saying
about
this
Council
because
they've
just
arrived,
but
I
could
see
how
coming
in
would
disrupt
the
staff
that
was
used
to
that.
And
you
know
I.
AA
AA
I
think
that
there
have
been
forces
opposing
both
the
city
for
a
long
time
and
I
think
that
this
I
don't
know
who
reported
I,
don't
know
what
happened.
I
do
think
that
it
could
have
been
avoided.
We
had
this
Rift
not
been
there.
It
is
it
possible
that
there
was
outside
forces
influencing
it
possible.
I
have
no
evidence
I'm,
just
throwing
it
out
there
because
I
know
these
people
and
I
trust
them.
Thank
you.
Thank.
AB
It
appears
to
me
that
the
privacy
of
the
grand
jury
proceedings
really
serve
to
protect
whistleblowers
and
encourage
honest
feedback
and,
as
noted,
the
process
is
not
an
adversarial
legal
process.
So,
instead
of
trying
to
fight
a
needless
fight,
it
is
probably
more
important
to
listen
and
treat
the
very
existence
of
these
findings
as
telling
and
really
push
for
a
change
in
culture
and
relationships
within
the
city's
workplace,
rather
than
indulge
in
useless
legal
clarifications
and
conspiracy
theories,
but
yeah.
W
W
Here's
some
of
my
personal
experiences,
which
I've
had
I've,
often
seen
Council
meetings,
which
included
unpleasant
and
disrespectful
questioning
and
comments
towards
staff.
I
personally,
would
not
have
wanted
to
consider
applying
for
a
position
with
the
city.
If
I
watch
Council
meetings,
I
could
not
find
a
published
ethics
code
when
I
looked
it
up
last
year
after
being
threatened
on
Nextdoor
by
a
sitting.
Commissioner
I
am
friends
with
the
previous
city
manager,
who
told
me
she
left
because
of
dysfunctional
counsel
actions,
specifically
by
our
former
mayor.
W
W
Name,
calling
like
quote
not
being
resident
friendly,
is
an
excuse
and
it's
unfortunately,
not
even
true,
as
the
city's
response
says,
quote:
distrust
between
staff
and
council
members
has
been
pervasive
and
mutual.
We
need
to
fix
this,
but
I
am
optimistic.
I
can
already
tell
that
the
new
council
is
working
on
this
through
new
Council
procedures
and
more
appropriate
communication
to
staff.
W
I.
Do,
however,
disagree
which
I
think
Rod
sinks
mentioned
about
some
of
the
responses,
in
my
case,
specifically
to
recommendation
4B
the
state
that
the
only
way
council
members
are
police
for
ethical
violations
is
by
answering
to
voters
is
unacceptable.
We
residents
should
not
have
to
wait
for
four
years,
as
our
only
vote
on
whether
a
council
member
is
acting
ethically,
we
may
not
or
need,
may
not
need
or
want
an
Ethics
Committee,
but
some
procedures
should
be
in
place
to
recommend
action
on
ethics
issues
for
Council
Members
I.
W
I
Five
minutes
please
yeah
I've,
actually
given
where
we
are
in
the
evening
and
how
many
things
are
on
consent
still
left
to
be
addressed.
We
have
a
lot
of
Staff
who
are
here
who
have
stuck
around
to
be
able
to
address
those
issues.
I,
don't
think
that
we're
likely
to
get
to
them.
So
I'd
like
to
table
this
discussion
for
the
moment
so
that
we
can
continue
the
matters
that
are
on
the
consent.
Calendar.
H
G
A
A
A
G
F
G
G
G
B
A
B
X
A
B
Thank
you,
mayor
white,
so
we
do
have
the
administrative
service
director
Christina
Alfaro
here
to
answer
any
question
to
kind
of
give
a
little
background.
This
is
a
future
agenda
item
that
was
requested
by
council
member
Moore,
second
by
council
member
Chao.
So
we
have
a
very
brief
staff
report
before
Council.
E
So
please,
good
evening,
mayor
city,
council,
Christine
Alfaro,
director
of
administrative
services,
with
a
very
brief
oral
report
for
you
this
evening
on
January
17,
2023
Council
directed
staff
to
follow
up
on
information
regarding
placing
a
future
vacancy
tax
ballot
measure
at
the
upcoming
election.
Before
proceeding
further
with
the
research
on
the
ballot
measure,
City's
role,
potential
tax,
Collections
and
costs,
and
identifying
possible
Consultants
who
can
assist
with
this
effort
staff
request
confirmation
from
city
council
to
determine
if
the
work
should
commence
so.
B
A
H
H
H
Investors
can
leave
properties
vacant
and
have
historically
still
had
gains
on
their
Investments
that
the
state
and
federal
government
do
very
little
to
prevent
or
tax
Global
investing
into
our
real
estate
market
and
consequently,
we
have
residents,
writing
and
telling
us
that
they
know
a
vacant
homes
in
Cupertino.
We
also
have
a
growing
homeless
and
RV
problem
where
the
prior
city
council,
particularly
particularly
council,
member
John,
Willy,
championed
the
homeless
work
program
which
is
in
its
second
year
and
could
be
benefited
by
this
tax.
H
The
vacancy
tax
in
itself
can
be
a
deterrent
to
encourage
owners
to
rent
or
lease
their
property
and
help
the
housing
shortage,
and
should
it
not
be,
then
the
revenue
will
be
a
benefit
to
help
the
homeless,
build,
affordable
housing
and
preserve,
affordable
housing
based
off
of
the
Oakland
measure
W.
This
is
the
city
attorney's
summary
of
measure
W.
The
proposed
measure
would
establish
a
new
tax
on
real
real
property
that
is
vacant
for
50
or
more
days
in
a
calendar
year.
This
would
be
a
special
tax
that
the
city
can
use
the
res.
H
The
city
can
use
the
revenue
only
for
purposes
specified
in
the
measure.
The
tax
rate
would
be
6
000
annually
for
vacant,
residential
non-residential
and
undeveloped
properties,
three
thousand
dollars
annually
for
vacant
condominium,
townhouse
and
duplex
units
and
3
000
annually
for
ground
floor
commercial
space
Parcels
in
use
less
than
50
days
in
a
calendar
year,
I
want
to
bring
theirs
up,
because
not
all
cities
are
taxing
the
commercial
part.
That
would
be
something
you
would
need
to
decide
about.
H
The
city
can
use
the
tax
revenue
only
for
the
following
purposes
to
support
a
variety
of
identified
services
and
programs
for
homeless
people
to
preserve
existing,
affordable
housing
and
produce
new,
affordable
housing
to
provide
code
enforcement
and
cleanup
of
blighted
properties
and
remedy
illegal
dumping
and
to
pay
the
city's
cost
of
administering
the
tax.
Thank.
A
If
not,
I
would
like
to
make
a
comment.
I
did
do
some
research
for
a
size
of
Cupertino
I.
It
turns
out
that
the
tax
is
coming
from
the
vacancy
tax
is
very
minimal
and,
to
put
it
on
the
ballot,
that's
going
to
cost
a
lot
of
money
to
implement.
It
is
going
to
cost
staff
time
and
money
to
implement
it.
I,
don't
think
it
will
work
and
not
not
that
it
won't
pass
that
the
benefit
to
Cupertino
doesn't
match,
doesn't
justify.
Having
do
even
do
an
extensive
research
on
this
issue.
A
J
At
the
at
the
recent
just
a
comment:
I
had
the
recent
League
of
California
cities
in
Sacramento.
There
was
some
discussion
of
the
topic
amongst
other
jurisdictions
and
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
city
manager,
but
the
cost
of
putting
this
for
forward
as
a
referendum
was
in
the
range
of
about
50
to
70
million
and
I
I
I'm.
Not
this
is
just
a
number
that
was
thrown
out
so
I
just
wanted
a
clarification
or
a
correction.
J
B
To
proceed
to
the
next
step,
I
believe
this
was
a
quote
provided
by
Christine
Christina
Turner
Morgan,
Hill,
City
manager.
She
did
not
specify
whether
or
not
this
is
a
local
Bella
measure
or
state
one,
but
she
did
mention
it's
anywhere
in
between
50
million
to
75
million
dollars
and
she
just
quoted
a
Balor
measure.
F
52-70
million,
definitely
it's
for
a
state
major
for
the
city.
Major,
usually
I
think
it
is
to
to.
It
depends
on
if
it's
your
it's
a
general
election
and
the
cost
is
not
high,
but
there
is
due
cost
and
I
do
have
concerns
about
it's
a
complication
of
vacancy
text.
But
then
I
have
spoken
to
a
city
manager
that
a
potential
I
would
like
to
explore.
Is
we
want
to
incentivize
people
to
rent
their
home
out,
so
how
about
vacancy
registration?
F
That's
municipal
code
and
people
are
required
to
register,
and
if
people
find
your
neighbors
have
a
vacant
home,
you
can
report
to
the
city
and
have
them
register
this
way.
We
will
also
know
how
many
vacant
homes
are
there
and
likely
encourage
those
people
to
rent
them
out
so
that
we
can
increase
our
housing
Supply.
Okay,.
I
I
That
said,
you
know.
One
of
the
things
that
that
does
concern
me
here
is
whether
we
would
be
able
to
get
past
the
two-thirds
threshold
on
a
that
you
would
need
in
order
to
pass
such
a
tax.
We've
not
seen
many
taxes
do
particularly
well
at
The
Ballot
Box.
Here
you
know.
If
there
are
people
who
would
really
like
to
see
this
move
forward,
it's
a
little
easier
to
do
as
a
member
of
the
public.
A
H
G
A
A
K
M
At
least
it
isn't
two
Griffins
anyway
hi
yeah
I
boy.
That's
a
new
one!
I've,
never
seen
anybody
vote
before
the
public
spoke,
but
I
we're
just
we're
in
a
whole
new
dimension.
Here
you
know
I.
We
have
to
do
something
to
reverse
this
brain
dead,
trickle-down
housing
thing
that
has
been
babbled
out
of
Sacramento
for
the
last
well
since
2017,
when
Jerry
Brown
voted
on
the
first
bills.
M
Black
Rock
right
now
is
a
very,
very
aggressive,
Real
Estate
Group
that
is
buying
up
swaths
of
housing,
Southern
California
and
up
here
and
in
other
parts
of
the
country-
and
there
are
a
lot
of
vacant
homes
in
Cupertino.
I
know
that
I
have
friends
who
say:
there's
a
lot
of
big
vacant
homes
in
Mountain,
View,
there's
a
lot
of
vacant
homes
all
over
the
Bay
Area
and
they
just
sit.
They
sit,
and
maybe
they
have
a
gardener.
M
Maybe
a
car
is
stored
there,
but
because
the
Redevelopment
agencies
were
stripped
from
us
by
Jerry
Brown
in
2011
we
have
no
recourse.
Trickle-Down
housing
does
not
work.
You
can
hear
people
debate
it,
but
it
does
not
work.
So,
let's
do
this
I!
You
know
I'm
not
exactly
sure
how
we
do
it,
but
to
me
it's
like
we
have
spent
so
much
money
on
the
housing
element,
so
much
harassment
from
the
state
on
the
housing
element.
All
I
hear
is
you
have
to
build
housing,
housing,
housing,
housing.
M
M
I
have
lost
all
respect
for
Jerry
Brown,
who
my
parents
just
adored
and
his
parents,
because
he
got
rid
of
Redevelopment
agencies
and
I,
don't
see
any
other
way
to
crawl.
Our
way
out
of
this
big
fiscal
hole
that
the
state
has
dumped
on
us
with
the
arena
and
the
housing
element
and
we've
spent
a
million
dollars
on
consultants
and
then
hcd
is
still
harassing
us.
M
Let's
do
it
our
way.
Let's
spend
the
money.
I'm
willing,
I
have
no
problem
with
it.
I
could
I
won't
go
there,
but
all
you
have
to
do
is
drive
around
Cupertino
Atherton
Saratoga,
let's
go
after
the
rich
people
and
make
them
pay
dearly
because
trickle-down
housing
works
so
well
anyway.
I
have
24
seconds
so
yeah.
We
need
to
start
looking
at
groups
like
Blackstone
I.
Don't
want
to
call
them
BlackRock,
because
that
was
a
contract,
a
military
contractor,
but
sometimes
I
think
Blackstone
operates
like
a
military
contractor.
K
P
P
P
That's
really
needed
to
be
needs
to
be
done.
It
needs
to
be
done
for
several
reason:
housing
element
having
that
information,
it
would
have
helped
with
housing
element
decisions.
You
know
it.
It
needs
to
be
done.
This
is
a
good
platform
to
launch
that
and
make
it
happen,
and
it
will
only
benefit
any
councils
in
the
future
to
have
that
information
and
to
keep
it
updated.
P
I
can
tell
you
that,
there's
among
the
good
looking
you
may
not
realize
that
they're
vacant
homes
there's
also
red
tagged
properties
that
sit
sit,
sit,
they're,
red
tagged
because
they're
they're
danger
and
yet
they're
left
to
sit
and
fall
apart
longer.
There
is
one
I
walk
by
often
that
has
been
red
tagged
at
least
four
years.
P
I
I,
don't
even
know
what
the
rules
are,
but
I
know
that
can't
be
okay
and
there
are
others
and
others
that
people
know
about
that.
I,
probably
don't
know
about
really
really
need
to
address
it,
who
who
needs
a
red
tag,
property
with
an
out
of
country
or
out
of
state
or
out
of
area
or
no
longer
living
owner
to
just
sit
there
when
it
could
be
used,
as
someone's
home
I
mean.
P
We
keep
hearing
people
wanting
to
fill
this
housing
Gap,
but
not
every
step
that
can
be
taken
is
being
taken
and
I
can
tell
you
because
I
work
in
the
residential
real
estate
world,
even
in
commercial,
you
should
see
the
ads
and
the
way
the
agents
promote
properties.
It
is
sickening.
This
would
be
a
great
investment
property
trust
me
and
you
wouldn't
even
have
to
rent
it.
I
have
seen
those
words
on
MLS
shouldn't
be
legal,
but
somehow
they
get
away
with
it
and
it's
being
done.
L
Good
evening
mayor
vice
mayor
and
council
members,
I
continue
to
be
distressed
by
the
kind
of
noise
that
is
made
by
some
of
the
people
who
address
the
council
in
such
harsh
tones
screeching
about
how
the
state
is
such
an
abominable
entity.
It
is
the
state,
in
fact
which
has
set
up
goals
for
the
past
four
decades
for
cities
to
meet,
and
it
has
been
a
state
who
has
not
done
anything
when
those
cities
did
not
meet
any
of
those
goals.
So
that's
four
decades.
L
L
When
I
hear
the
screeching
that
goes
on
and
the
raising
of
voices
from
people
who,
in
fact
apparently
don't
have
an
answer
or
they
wouldn't
have
to
holler,
that
is
my
opinion,
because
it's
just
not
useful
I
have
and
I'll
go
back
to
the
set
item.
17.
I
guess
I
was
a
little
remiss
and
not
saying
I
too
have
heard
the
city
council
be
rate
staff
from
lawyers
to
managers
to
division
heads
down
to
whoever
is
presenting.
L
It
was
horrible,
and
I
should
have
mentioned
that
last
time,
but
just
for
this
period
this
time
the
book
apparently
is
stopping
here
and
I.
Think
it's
a
good
time
for
us
all
to
reconsider
how
much
we
Screech
and
holler
about
answers
that
we
really
don't
understand
to
people
who
are
trying
to
work
through
those
issues,
including
our
staff
and
our
and
our
attorneys,
and
our
council
members
and
the
state.
L
G
A
A
J
A
G
K
Z
Evening
their
way
vice
mayor,
Moen,
council
members
and
staff
Lisa
Warren
mentioned
the
housing
stock
inventory.
Yes,
knowing
where
we're
at
helps
us
to
know
where
we
need
to
go
so
put
that
on
the
back
burner.
I
am
in
support
of
having
a
study
session
to
look
into
this
vacancy
tax
for
Cupertino.
If
one
is
considered,
I
would
hope
it
would
apply
both
to
residential
all
types
and
Commercial
and
not
have
very
many
exemptions
but
review
what
works.
And
why?
Because,
maybe
that's
not
a
reasonable
thing
to
ask?
Z
At
least
one
house
on
our
block
is
vacant
and
it's
been
vacant
since
it
was
sold,
there's
weeds,
they
occasionally
get
cleared,
but
somebody
could
live
there.
It's
close
to
Apple,
it's
close
to
schools
at
least
looking
into
this
and
seeing
what
works
and
what
doesn't
work
or
whether
it
would
benefit
the
city
or
not,
I
think
would
be
helpful
and
the
money
could
go
towards
homeless
or
subsidizing,
affordable
housing.
T
T
If
there
is
an
investment
and
they're
leaving
it
fallow,
but
then
that
should
be
at
the
maybe
at
the
purchase
time.
Are
you
going
to
be
living
in
this
house
and
if
you're
not,
then
we're
taxing
you,
but
people
that
own
a
home
now
for
you,
because
it's
intrusive
for
the
Privacy,
if
they
happen
to
be
gone
on,
a
medical
leave
or
something
is
happening,
why
they
would
pay
a
tax
and
what
would
that
attack
be
used
for?
T
We
don't
have
enough
houses
for
people
to
afford
to
buy,
they
can't
buy
houses
in
in
our
area
because
they
can't
afford
to
because
they're
so
expensive
and
so
adding
attack
to
people
who
already
own
a
home,
seems
like
it's
gonna,
create
more
problems,
I
know
in
Santa
Cruz
they
had
they
wanted
to.
They
wanted
to
actually
use,
they
had
to
make
them
house
use
the
beach
houses,
all
those
beach
houses
where
people
own
them
and
they
come
on
the
weekends.
T
You
know
your
your
neighbors
are
going
to
report
it
here
or
you
know,
what's
going
to
happen
so
I'm
concerned
about
privacy,
I
I
do
think
if
they're
the
tax
that
should
be
done
at
the
purchase
when
they
purchase,
are
you
living
there
and
they
have
to
sign
an
affidavit
or
something
that
they
are
going
to
live
there.
Otherwise,
then
they
could,
you
could
do
the
tax,
but
to
go
around
buying
on
how
many
houses
are
empty
is
a
little
scary
for
me.
I
I,
worry
about
that
and
I
I
think.
AB
AB
I'm
not
opposed
to
vacancy
tax
amongst
a
myriad
of
other
stronger
housing
policies
such
as
rezoning,
reconsideration
of
height
limits,
removable
parking,
minimums,
other
Chilean,
Municipal
policies.
There
are
just
so
many
more
I
support
the
mayor's
position.
The
cost
benefit
just
really
isn't
here
and
I.
Don't
know
that
the
city
is
the
right
actor
to
bring
such
a
measure.
Anyways,
as
alluded
to
by
a
councilman,
would
like
to
comment
that
trickle-down
housing
is
really
just
a
made-up
misapplied
term
when
the
car
market
is
short.
AB
No
one
suggests
that
the
first
thing
we
do
is
restrict
the
production
of
cars
or
pursue
a
tax
on
underutilized
cars.
I
would
also
know
that
Blackstone
and
other
Financial
firms
have
literally
pointed
out
in
their
reports
that
they
benefit
from
the
supply
constrained.
Market
I,
don't
love
their
investment
activity,
but
their
ownership
truly
does
represent
a
minuscule
percentage
of
the
housing
stock
and
they
actively
benefit
from
low
housing.
AB
Supply
I
urge
the
council
to
review
the
copious
amount
of
research
on
stronger
policies
in
response
to
the
housing
crisis,
rather
than
direct
our
limited
staff
resources
on
the
feasibility
of
putting
out
vacancy
tax
in
the
ballot.
If
we
really
want
to
pursue
our
resources
on
taking
inventory
of
housing
stock
I
would
strongly
suggest
coordinating
with
a
regional
effort
and
support
for
rental
registry,
which
does
a
lot
more
to
help
our
nearly
40
of
renters
in
in
the
city,
which
I
think
are
a
pretty
underappreciated
section
of
the
city
right
now.
AA
AA
I
know
some
people
that
I
have
in
San
Jose,
30
plus
properties
vacant.
They
just
use
them
as
collateral,
and
you
know
I'm
just
really
surprised
that
people
that
are
really
talking
about
and
so
concerned
about
the
homeless
and
the
housing
issue
and
are
against
something
that
a
lot
of
cities
are
doing
now
and
could
really
benefit
the
homeless.
AA
The
last
time
there
was
I
I
was
at
a
meeting
where
I
was
in
a
meeting.
A
zoom
meeting
for
sb9,
one
of
the
Senators
had
mentioned.
17
percent
of
California
was
invest
around
non-owned
or
occupied,
not
just
not
just
your
mom
and
papa
I
know
my
clients
have
investment
properties,
there's
nothing
wrong
with
that.
Blackrock
been
big
investment
companies.
They
are
a
significant
number.
AA
I've
had
people
say
that
you
know
they
own
several
properties
and
just
have
them
in
in
in
somebody
else's
name
their
children's
names
to
hide
that
it's
investment
property,
because
it
was
in
a
city
that
taxed
them
so
I.
This
is
a
very
Progressive.
If
you,
this
council
is
supportive
and
really
interested
I
think
this
is
a
great
opportunity,
Find
Out
minimally,
how
much
and
how
it
could
be
done.
Thank
you.
A
F
F
F
A
H
The
city
I
believe,
should
follow
the
Oakland
plan
and
use
the
tax
revenue
to
support
the
homeless
in
Cupertino,
which
is,
as
we've
noticed,
a
growing
problem
and
it
it's.
It
would
be
excellent
if
we
could
also
use
it
for
the
homeless
work
program
which
council,
member
Willie
began,
preserve
existing,
affordable
housing
and
produce
new,
affordable
housing.
H
A
J
Mary
I
do
have
spoken
to
some
people
in
the
real
estate
business
and
the
message
I'm
getting
is
that
this
is
not
the
climate
is
not
conducive
to
any
for
any
kind
of
attacks
at
this
time.
My
other
concern
is
that
we
have
some
pretty
huge
issues
that
we
need
to
be
deliberating
on
and
to
be
focusing
on
for
the
next
several
months
and
I'd,
rather
that
we
and
the
staff
focus
on
that,
rather
than
take
on
something
entirely
new
and
entirely
different.
F
Actually,
I
would
like
to
propose
a
substitute
motion
that
could
I
think
one.
Member
of
the
public
here
mentioned
a
rental
registry
and
I
would
like
to
see
a
vacancy
registry
also,
so
that
way
take
some
stock
of
the
landscape,
and
then
we
have
more
information
on
whether
it's
even
worthwhile
to
pursue
this.
So
I
would
like
to
motion
that
we,
the
staff,
can
bring
a
study
session
on
potential
registry,
either
rental
or
just
focus
on
vacancy.
Is
that.
A
F
Yeah
I
mean
I
secreted
that
to
have
a
discussion,
but
I
do
have
I
looked
into
various
vacancy
texts
already
and
they
are
complicated,
but
many
of
them
have
exemptions
like
vacationing
just
out
of
Hospital
renovating
house.
There
are
always
exemptions
for
those
situations,
so
that's
not
a
concern,
but
in
terms
of
the
cost
that's
and
whether
it's
a
worthwhile
for
Cupertino.
F
That's
my
concern
so
I
think
the
first
step
would
be:
let's
find
out
how
many
American
homes
are
there
maybe
do
a
vacant
home
registration
and
then
the
intention
is
to
incentivize
people
to
think
about
renting.
So
maybe
just
by
the
requirement
of
registration
would
incentivize
them
to
think
about
renting.
A
H
Well,
through
the
mayor,
I
prefer
that
that
was
done
as
council
member
Chow.
If
that
was
done
as
a
friendly
Amendment
to
have
that
data
be
provided
because
I
I
feel
that
we're
basically
we're
making
a
decision
without
actual
data
here
and
there,
and
there
are
loud
voices
who
don't
want
to
have
attacks
on
their
empty.
A
G
A
I
Yeah
and
just
Echo
the
the
Prudential
concerns
about
whether
you
know
something
would
pass
I
just
don't
think
that
the
climate
is
right
for
it.
I
think
that
the
threshold
is
very
high,
I'd
be
happy
to
work
with
somebody
else
to
Champion
a
you
know,
an
initiative
that
is
generated
by
the
people.
That
way
it
only
has
to
pass
at
50
percent
it'd
also
be
open
in
future
to
some
sort
of
study
of
what
our
housing
stock
is,
but
I
think
we
should
handle
that
through
a
regular
agenda.
Setting.
A
So
I
like
to
make
a
subject
emotion,
to
not
have
a
study
session
on
this
on
a
vacancy
test.
It
it's
as
Shang.
One
of
the
speakers
said
we
have
a
lot
of
other
things.
We
need
to
do
to
increase
our
housing
stock
and
vice
mayor
Mohan
says
we
have
housing
elements.
A
lot
of
things
to
do.
I
do
think
at
this
time
to
have
staff
staff
put
time
into
study
this
vacancy
tax,
which
I
I
really
don't
think
it's
going
to
generate
enough
money
to
build.
A
Even
you
know,
affordable
housing
and
in
ours
in
our
in
our
atmosphere.
As
council
member
from
says,
it's
going
to
be
very
hard,
so
I
am
making
a
subtle
motion
to
not
go
ahead
with
the
study
session.
Do
we
have
a
second
I'll?
Second
it?
So
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
subject,
motion
discussions
or.