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From YouTube: Cupertino City Council Meeting - July 18, 2023 (Part 1)

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Coverage of the Tuesday, July 18, 2023 Cupertino City Council Meeting.
Part 1 of 2.

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Welcome to the cooper king city council, regular meeting today is tuesday night progress 2023. I'm.

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Going to open the meeting at 6, 47 pm and if you're able please stand for the pledge of allegiance.

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Allegiance to the flag of the united states.

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Indivisible with liberty and justice for all, thank you please be seated. um Please, council, member ciao.

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Here, councilmember frewin here councilmember moore here vice mayor mohan, here mayor way.

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Here, thank you and um I like to see the attorney jensen to report on a closed.

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Session, please there's nothing to report mayor. Thank you attorney jensen. I want to say happy.

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Birthday chris today is a city attorney jensen's birthday. Now his wife is first I'm so sorry, your.

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Vice versa, happy birthday, chris's, wife and he's spending your time with us. So thank you.

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I thought it was your birthday, foreign, okay, so um postponement and order of.

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The day there's no ceremony items so any postponement or other day today.

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No mayor all right, thank you and let's go to oral communications. This portion of the meeting.

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Is for persons who wish into address the city council on any matters within the juris edition.

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Of the city, but not on the agenda for discussion, including information items, do we have any cars.

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Madam city clerk or hence waste on zoom. So I have a number of cards in front of me, but I need to go.

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Through them, so I, if, with your permission, I'd like to start with zoom sure, okay, thank you so.

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We have one hand raise aram james anyone wishing to speak under oral communications. Please have a.

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Speaker card submitted in the next nine minutes or you're hand raised on zoom, welcome, aram.

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Good, thank you. um You know. We've had a lot of. I normally speak because I'm a palo alto resident in.

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Palo alto, but we've had a lot of people, including at least one gentleman from cupertino who's spoke.

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Consistently uh at least twice an opposition to senate bill 403. Now I can't understand why anyone.

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Yes, sir, yes, I'm sorry so this is uh this is oral communications reserved for items that are not.

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On the agenda? Okay, the item that you're wishing to speak on is item 13, so it will be discussed.

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Later on, okay, well, then I I will wait for that time, but I would like to speak generally then.

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um I I wanted to bring your attention to a bill that did not pass this year, and that was a b.

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742 and I was extremely active in that field and I didn't get to speak in front of your council about.

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It but assembly bill or I'm sorry 742 is sponsored by assemblyman, dr corey jackson, out of riverside.

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County and the bill would have prohibited and didn't pass, but it was the first time in the.

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History of the united states that such a bill was even proposed and we're hoping that it'll come.

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Back next year, but this bill would have prevented police canines and by the way police canines are.

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The most likely use of police force to send you to the hospital in this country, and that was.

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Documented in a pulitzer prize, 13-part series by the marshall project called mold and it documented.

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How vile and how much we've looked, the other way on police forces using canines, and I understand in.

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Your city, it's the sheriff's department and uh I you know, talked during the debates for sheriff and.

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I know that uh bob johnson at one point said that they didn't want to have canines in the sheriff's.

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Department, but they do, they have vile police canines uh that attack human beings. They bite.

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The groin, the head, the face and a former member of the sheriff's department, who also ran for sheriff.

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Sean allen, the first black african-american person to run for sheriff in this county spent 24 years.

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In the jail- and he saw over 200 dog bites during the years 24 years that he spent in the jail and.

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These fights were always disproportionately black and brown people. Some of the bites resembled shark.

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Bites, etc, so I don't want to bring to your attention the possibility that best police.

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Practices and for our sheriff would be no police canines, except the search for human beings or for.

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For the bomb detection, but not to bite human beings, I hope you'll, listen and pay attention.

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To this argument, thank you, sir. That is your time and next we have lisa warren welcome, lisa.

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Thank you. um I just want to mention and remind that there are big issues with the current cities.

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Current ordinance for bulk residential balconies and uh privacy screening.

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And this has been not brought up for years. A previous planning commission.

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Who included david fong, stephen sharff and others? Some that are still on commission.

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Decided that, yes, it was a good time and should have been previously done to reevaluate.

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Those ordinances because residents often appeal projects because of those.

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Things and the ordinances aren't not good they're poorly written. They don't include.

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um Some simple information that they should include and they have bad tree species.

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Etc, etc, and actually, mayor way and council member moore, I met with you two years ago,.

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In october, it'll be two years ago and had this discussion- and I I know that council, member moore.

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Was agreeing with a lot of what was brought up by me and and many other residents in these.

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City council and planning commission meetings over years and mayor way, you seem to think.

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It was nothing to worry about and I'm clear, not clear to this day why that is.

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I'm concerned because I believe it's officially on work program. It may not be a funded item, but.

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I think it finally got on the work program and I just think it needs to be bumped up in importance.

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Especially with all the housing bills and the increase in density, that's expected these things.

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Become more and more important and they're not being addressed and there's absolutely zero reason.

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They shouldn't be, and I'm concerned that city council meetings are taking the place or for some.

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Reason so many planning, commission meetings have been re, have been canceled and planning. Commission.

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Should really be talking about this first in order for it to come to you, but if they don't have.

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Meetings- and they don't have it on their agendas which they have in the past said it should be.

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It's not going to happen, and it really really needs to happen, and I I feel, like other things,.

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Are being heard over this- and this is not just me- I just happen to be one of the more vocal voices.

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But it's it's a problem that needs to be addressed and I'm really disappointed that.

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It hasn't been yet. Thank you, lisa mayor. We have two speakers in community hall.

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uh Versus jennifer griffin second is brooke. Is it welcome jennifer.

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Thank you, hello, hello, uh hi, good evening city council, I'm jennifer griffin and I wanted to talk.

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For a minute about um senate bill 423, sb 423: this is the bill that extends sp 35.

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Involves the labor unions and somehow is involving the coastal commission.

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um I'm very very concerned that this bill, which just went through the natural resources committee.

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Last week and has gone into appropriations that it is unconstitutional in the state, it is.

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Trying to take out the coastal commission, the coastal commission was brought about in 1974-75.

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By a citizen-led initiative which we voted on and that established the coastal commission in.

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1976., I remember this because my parents and neighbors were quite involved in this.

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What I am concerned about is that we have several um elected legislators and some other groups that.

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Have decided that the sovereignty of the coastal commission needs to be overridden.

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And I see that as illegal if you're going to take down the coastal commission, it requires a vote of.

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The people of california, who put it in there, I spoke to one of the people representative, who.

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Is on the uh the governance? Sorry, the um the resources committee that this bill just went.

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Through and she said, we don't know if it's illegal or not, it has to be fought out in court. Now to me.

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What is to prevent we, we don't know why the legislators decided to back this. We don't know.

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What groups decided to do this? None of them are trained in sequa. They do not have background in.

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Environmental training, they do not understand what happens in the coast, we don't know who.

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These people are, when you have groups like this and legislators, they could say something like.

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Children aren't allowed to go to school anymore now. Would we accept that in california I don't? I.

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Don't think that would go down well, so why are we allowing unknown groups to tell us that we.

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Need to override the coastal commission, that's not! That is illogical. This bill is illegal. It.

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Is against the law, and we need to start speaking up and saying that if they're going to take down.

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The coastal commission, the state, gets to vote on it. Now I haven't heard no one say that I.

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Understand the coastal commission is fighting this. It also sets the governor up for problems.

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Because he appoints the coastal commission, if he signs this bill, then he is in the wrong. Thank you.

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uh Thank you jennifer, and we have louise sadati.

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And that is our final speaker, mayor.

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Hello good evening, it's a beautiful day in cupertino. I think um there are a lot of residents that.

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Want to speak tonight, so I will be short, um I'm uh responding to a comment that was made last meeting.

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I uh and uh something was said uh during an item that I thought was rather disrespectful and rude.

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And I mentioned it when I spoke about the item and- uh and it was just a small item about changing a.

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Time of a next council meeting and something that normally would just take five ten minutes dragged.

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On for half an hour and uh anyhow so I made a comment about the need to be cordial and civil.

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And um and then uh another person a resident that spoke then complained that I spoke about this.

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During the item- and uh so I am now talking during oral communications about cordiality and uh why I.

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Think it's very important if any residents notice any disrespect or um uh untruth uh they that they.

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Can speak during that item when that untruths or disrespect occurred, because in october there will.

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Be a meeting regarding the grand jury findings and the um private investigator independent private.

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Investigator findings regarding disrespect and it will have consequences for the two.

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Council members that were cited in the grand jury, communication, sightings and private investigators.

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uh Investigation which the city has to respond to so in fairness to those two council members.

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That were cited, and we know all know who they are if any communication occurs, which is considered.

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Disrespectful or whatever the grand jury cited, it really would behoove the truth for people to say.

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Hey as a resident, I feel that you know that came across as very disrespectful and I think then, when.

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The october meeting happens, people aren't sitting there going well what you know what why you know.

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Whereas if you, if you are written up at your company for something and then you're giving.

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No feedback and then suddenly, six months later, you're, whatever a continued feedback, is good.

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And so I will continue to speak up when I notice any disrespect. And if somebody calls me out for.

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Speaking that an item was spoken about in a disrespectful manner, but I only spoke about.

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It for a sentence or two or three, then it will force me to go at length during oral.

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Communications so there thank you. Thank you. I'm very sorry mayor. I neglected to call on.

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Brooke as it I announced her earlier, but I forgot to call on her so brooke. I apologize.

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Good evening, I'm here to discuss two items: money and settlements.

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I'm really have. I really have a problem with the fact that the city council sees fit to spend forty.

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Three thousand dollars on an investigation when the council has gutted the teen programs.

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I think a much better use of city funds would be to fund teen programs. Secondly, the city council.

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The city has spent forty five thousand dollars defending itself against league of women. Voters.

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Lawsuit, which I view as being frivolous, that forty five thousand dollars should have been.

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Returned to the city to fund the teen programs and finally, settlements on may 9th after council.

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Member smore and chao recused themselves and act to sit at the diocese two two hours, 45 minutes and.

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35 seconds council member fruen stated one thing I would like to share with you vice mayor warren.

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On this topic, because this activity is happening here, I would think that it is reasonable to expect.

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It is happening at those bodies. Now I'm not a legal scholar, but that sounds to me remarkably.

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Like these people are guilty before they are able to prove themselves innocent and, furthermore,.

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Council fruen goes on to a pine and I would direct you to the results of a settlement of the cities.

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Association between that agency and its executive director, which involved an eight thousand dollar.

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Payout because of liang chow's behavior, now I went back and I googled.

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And I did a records request and I found that that particular legal kerfuffle did not was.

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Not a result of liang chao's behavior, it was the result of a dispute between the executive director.

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And her employer about health coverage and also about whether that organization should be a jpa.

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Or re, or continue to be a non-profit when I went and I looked through the settlements, what I found.

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Is that the city of san jose, which I believe is mr fruen's current employer, paid out 9570.

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For that settlement and the city of cupertino spent eight thousand dollars as a result of.

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That settlement, miss jordan's attorney, put in a demand letter requesting 441 thousand dollars.

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And settled for a hundred and eighty thousand dollars, of which eight thousand dollars was.

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City of cupertino's responsibility. I hope that people will realize that settlements are not.

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A conviction they're not an acknowledgment of guilt. What they are is people wanting to.

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Settle their differences and move on because they don't have the resources either mentally.

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Or financially, to deal with some of this legal nonsense. Thank you. Thank you, brooke mayor, that.

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Was our final speaker? Thank you, mada city clerk, I'm going to close the public comments.

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Session and I wanted our communication session, I want to thank all the people who come and make.

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Comments they care about our city affairs. That's why they're here so thank you for making any oral.

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Communications now I'm going to move on to, let's see the consent calendar, which is items two to.

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Nine, do we have any consecutions being pulled um no matter way? Okay, if not, I would like to open up.

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For public comments on consent, calendar number two to nine: do we have cards or hands raised.

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Yes mayor, we have one request to speak in community hall from jennifer griffin.

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Jennifer, would you like to speak on number nine foreign.

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Jennifer, I believe you also want to speak on number four foreign. Okay, all right. Do you want me.

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To start with, four, it's up to you or the crystal right: um okay, four and nine is what you have.

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Okay, I'll start with nine, since I um this one, I'm really glad my husband and I go up to the cemetery.

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On cristo ray all the time because his father is buried there in the veterans section and we go at.

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Least, uh two to three times a month: it's a lovely area. I have noticed that many people are riding.

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Their bikes along the narrow road and there are no bike lanes. We have wondered for many many years.

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Why there were no bike lanes going up to um the circle and to rancho san antonio park and to the.

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um Forum back there, I think this is a good use of the money. um I'm not sure how this affects.

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The parking in the area, because you do have a lot of homes in there um and I just was wondering if.

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You all could talk about the roundabout. Now, I'm I know, roundabouts are used in europe. A lot I'm.

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Still getting used to them, they kind of scare me, but how do you handle the bike lanes when.

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You get to the roundabout, because that is a very busy roundabout. It looks like the sign.

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Looks like a turtle to me whenever we come up there and one of the other things that's.

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Sort of dangerous is that one of the walking trails from rancho san antonio comes down and.

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It's right at the entrance to the gate of heaven: cemetery where the gate is, and we always have to.

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Look to the right to make sure that we don't uh hit a pedestrian or I don't know if you can ride.

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A bike in there, but if, if you all, are going to be using money to kind of rework that area you.

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Might want to think about looking at that traffic circle, because I think it's too small to handle.

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The amount of traffic there plus when people are walking they get confused about how to actually.

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Cross it, so I think maybe we need to either make eliminate the traffic circle, make it bigger or.

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Try to have better instructions about how to deal with it. I even one time we stopped, because there.

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Were pedestrians that walked by and a wild turkey followed them across the crosswalk, which I thought.

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Was really cute but anyway, if you all could take a look at that, I would appreciate it. Thank you.

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Jennifer, did you want to speak on four, oh well, actually, that your time is uh video did she have.

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I am so old, okay, sorry, she had a minute left. Video! Okay did I um yeah. I wasn't sure how that worked.

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So this was the lobbying one. um I'm you know, there's there's constant lobbying stuff going.

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On and I think we need to be really clear about what the definition of lobbying is, because we.

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Hear it in the news all the time, and I think that once we okay, so we we made the lobbying ordinance.

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Two years ago I was there, then we're already changing it, so I suspect that the nomenclature and.

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Definition of what a lobbyist is, who registered etc, is going to change constantly in cupertino.

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This is not the last iteration of it we're going to have we need to be. We need to realize that this.

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Is something that will be constantly modified? So if it comes up again, don't be surprised, lobbying.

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Is a very, very important thing, but we need to monitor it. Thank you. Thank you. Jennifer.

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Mayor that is, uh uh oh, I do see a hand raised on zoom now by peggy griffin, welcome peggy.

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Thank you good evening, council staff. um I want to speak to the second reading of the uh lobbying.

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Ordinance uh there was a lot of discussion about what the state you know conforming to the state.

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Whether we were yada yada um when I glanced uh at the state law, it looked to me like the five.

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Thousand dollars included travel expenses um and also there was it looked like a difference between.

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The 5 000 and then there was a contract lobbyist. That was a two thousand dollar limit, but anyway I.

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Just want to put that out there that revisit this one day, that I really think that the.

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Expenses should be included in the limit, because the limit is so high that you've set and five.

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Thousand dollars every quarter is a lot of money. It ought to include the travel expenses. Thank you.

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Thank you peggy, and we now have lisa warren with their hand raised. So I will call on lisa welcome.

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Lisa, thank you. So I wasn't able to attend the last meeting here in zoom or person, but when this.

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Lobbying ordinance came up and there was a big discussion with the league of women's voters and.

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I just am very curious, because I have not seen or heard of any other city that are original.

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Ordinance that is was being challenged was taken from other cities surrounding cities.

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I've seen no indication that league of women borders has taken the same step to sue the city.

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The other cities and I'm very curious about that and if I'm wrong it didn't make the news.

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Like we did, and I'm wondering why, I also um with respect to the people who are lobbyists and are.

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Actually doing the right thing and registering, I would like to thank, I can't recall all the names.

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Right now, there's so few, but I do know amy chan has registered repeatedly because she.

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Should and she does and the same with jim kanina and his company, so I am grateful for that. I just.

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Wish there weren't so many people afraid to let people know that they were lobbyists. It shines a.

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Very strange light, especially if our city was the only one targeted with the same basic ordinance, so.

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Thanks, thank you lisa and mayor. That is our final speaker. Thank.

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You madison crook. I am going to close the public comment for consent. Calendar.

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To tonight and I'm open up for a council discussion, if not a motion in a second.

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Okay, um does anybody want to make a motion yeah I moved yeah. I moved that we approved.

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The consent calendar items two through nine may. I have a second please. Second,.

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So it's being made uh motion and seconded any further discussions, if not, let's vote by light.

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Here is unanimously thank you, mother city, crook. Now we're moving into.

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The next section, which is public hearing, we have two public hearings, we're moving.

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To enter number 10 first, I'm gonna open the public hearing for item number 10.

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Hearing to consider approval of lean assessment and collection of fees on private parcels.

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Resulting from abatement of public news, nuisance, weeds and or bush for the annual wheat and.

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Brush abatement programs and accompanying budget appropriation request may have staff report. Please.

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See clear will give a short presentation. Yes, I am just going to pull up my slides.

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Actually, just one moment it, uh my presentation, crashed.

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Sorry I have to go into my folder.

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Okay, I will just show my screen.

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And are you seeing my screen? Yes,.

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Okay, uh so it will not go into presentation mode.

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Okay, so I'm going to leave it in this um view, because it's not going into presentation mode.

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um So, okay, the uh just a quick overview: the lean assessment.

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And collection process includes both the weed and brush abatement programs.

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Only properties that have failed to meet the requirements are assessed. Tonight's hearing.

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Request consideration of a resolution confirming assessments on properties for unpaid abatement.

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Services, if approved, the total charges are included on the property owner tax bill.

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Owners may request council remove their property from the assessment.

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List any waived fees will be billed to the city.

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Charges include any work performed by a county contractor as well as county administrative fees.

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These are the county fees for the 2023 season. Every property in the program receives an initial.

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Inspection to determine if the property has abated this, the inspection be this year is 92 dollars per.

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The current city process, the owner, is only charged if a property fails, the initial inspection, the.

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City covers the cost for any parcels that have passed inspections. The administrative fee of 519.

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Dollars is charged for properties that fail the initial inspection and must be reinspected an.

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Administrative fee of 891 dollars is charged if weed and or brush of removal is completed by the.

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County's contractor this fee is, in addition to the cost, to remove the weeds and brush and the.

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County contractor work, abatement work prices vary depending on the type of work that is completed.

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Just a bit on the supplemental process for past inspections, where the city pays the fee.

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For properties that pass the initial inspection, this applies to the we debatement program. Only.

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It was adopted by council on it was approved by a council on november, 2nd 2020. as well.

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As a budget appropriation of eight thousand eight hundred and eighty six dollars, which.

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Is authorized to fund these costs, the city will pay the initial inspection costs if the property.

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Passes the initial inspection by the april 30 deadline on december 13 2022, the city mailed, a.

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Letter outlining these um this process to all of the property owners that are on the program list.

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So, on july, 6th, the county filed the assessment report of all costs associated with abatement on.

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July 7th that report was mailed to every property owner. That's was on the list as.

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Well, as tonight's hearing notice, there are 36 parcels on the assessment list. This hearing will.

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Only consider approval of lien assessment and collection of fees on those properties that did.

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Not pass the initial inspection and incurred costs for the county to abate the nuisance.

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This year, 81 properties were found to be compliant as listed in the past inspection.

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Report in the staff report, the inspection costs will be paid by the city and those properties are.

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Not included for consideration at this hearing, I just want to mention a typo that is on the agenda.

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For the payment to be for the city, payment is actually seven thousand two hundred and fifty.

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Two dollars, as listed here, not seven thousand two hundred and fifty four dollars as listed in.

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The as contained in the agenda, so it's a two dollar difference, but I wanted to mention it.

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And so the auction before you is to conduct the hearing to consider objections from property.

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Owners that are listed on the assessment report and if council wishes to adopt resolution number.

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23-093 approving the lien assessment and collection of fees for weeds and brush to.

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Allow the county to recover the cost of abatement and, lastly, approve the budget.

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Appropriations of seven thousand four hundred and ninety two dollars in the general fund.

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Thank you, mada city clerk, I'm going to open for council question before public.

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Comments any questions from the council, if not I'll, open up for public comments.

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So I see one hand raised on zoom from pawan kumar welcome, pawan.

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You'll need to unmute yourself yeah. My name is from sacramento uh property council.

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I'm here to express my sport for sp, 403 and uh sir. Actually, this is for the item number 10, which is.

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Weed abatement lean assessment: the item that you wish to speak on is number 13, which will be heard.

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Later on in the agenda, oh all, right, all right! Sorry about that! Okay! Thank you so mayor. I do.

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Not have any cards or I do not see any requests to speak. um Okay. Thank you. I will close the.

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Public comments on this hearing and does council have any questions, if not I'll close the public.

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Comment: first before the motion rank city council, you you can close the public hearing down there.

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I'm gonna close the puppy hearing and come back to council for emotion and a second, please.

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uh Councilmember moore, I move the recommended action and council.

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Member second film seconded motion by council, member moore and seconded.

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By council member fruen, if there's no discussions, let's vote by light.

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The motion carries unanimously. Thank you, mada city clerk, I'm going to item number 11 and open.

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The public hearing for item number 11. fiscal year, 2023 2024 fee schedule update. Do we have a.

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Staff report: we do um we're getting ready for the presentation by director alfaro and our.

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Newest newest addition to the administrative services department: um are we ready to go.

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I think we just need it to put the presentation up on the screen.

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And then you put it in presentation mode and I will hand it promptly.

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Over to jonathan auto school, our finance manager to go over a brief presentation.

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Good evening, honorable mayor white and council members tonight we will be presenting the fiscal.

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Year 2324 proposed fee schedule update on the agenda. I will be providing some background.

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Including defining a fee fee schedules for city services and the methodology for increasing the.

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Fees followed by fee rates, the new fees, fiscal impact and staff recommendation.

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As defined by the city's 2016 fee study, a user fee is a fee or rate charged to an.

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Individual or group that receives a private benefit from services provided by the city.

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Has five fee schedules schedule a general fees includes fees not specific to a department or.

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Division that would require a dedicated schedule, such as code enforcement permits.

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False alarms, city clerk services and others schedule b engineering fees. This schedule.

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Covers fees necessary for the engineering division within the public works department.

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To review plans and applications for private developments, which includes design and inspections.

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Schedules, excuse me: excuse me, schedule c planning fees. This schedule is utilized by the planning.

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Division, which administers all requires, and review and evaluation processes for proposed land use.

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Projects and maintains the goals and objectives of the city's general plan and zoning ordinance.

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Schedule: d, building fees: this schedule is utilized by the planning. Sorry by.

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The building division of the community development department and covers general.

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Building construction construction plan check and building code enforcement and, lastly, the schedule.

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E parks and recreation fees, this schedule is utilized by the recreation services department.

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Which organizes markets and overseas recreation and leisure services in a variety of programs.

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The city's fees are set through a comprehensive fee study conducted approximately every seven.

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Years with the last completed study occurring in 2016., the city is currently in the process.

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Of another study, which will be presented to council later this year between the feast.

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Studies, the city updates the fees using either the bay area, consumer price index for all urban.

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Consumers or cpi construction cost index or cci or estimated budgeted labor costs.

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For fiscal year, 2324 the cpi increased by 5.3 percent, the cci increased by 7.1 percent and the.

D

Estimated labor costs increased by nine percent. I will note that the nine percent labor cost.

D

Increase reflects two years worth of labor changes. As last year, the city was in the process of labor.

D

Negotiations and the budget had not been finalized when the fee update was presented to council.

D

Included in the nine percent the fiscal year, 2223s, uh five percent cost of living adjustment.

D

Estimated payroll increases for calpers reports and approximately a one percent increase for.

D

Employees progressing into a higher salary step.

D

This slide provides historical changes in escalators by schedules, as you can.

D

See schedule a is adjusted by cpi schedule b is adjusted by cci and estimated labor cost schedule.

D

C is updated by cpi and estimated labor cost and schedule d is adjusted by estimated labor costs.

D

Schedule e is not included, as this schedule is market driven by similar.

D

Services offered by other providers and other governmental agencies.

D

We now move on to a new and noteworthy changes.

D

Schedule a would take effect july, 19th and staff proposes to include a com.

D

Commemorative bench fee at five thousand dollars.

D

Schedules b and c have an effective date of september 17th to confirm with.

D

Minimum state law requirements, whereas schedule d, would take effect july 19th.

D

And all three schedules do not have any new fees or no worthy changes.

D

Schedule e would take effect july 19th and the staff is proposing to the removal of the teen.

D

Center from the schedule, due to the permanent closure and updating the security staffing rate.

D

To 43 percent to align with the pass-through costs, with contracted rate increases for the fiscal year.

D

On to the fiscal impact of the proposed fee, schedule updates, based on a three-year.

D

Historical average, the general fund revenues are estimated to increase by approximately 550.

D

000., while the enterprise funds will increase by approximately three hundred dollars.

D

The table shows shown separates the estimated increases by schedule and funds.

D

At this time, staff is recommending the adoption of resolution approving fiscal year 2324 fiscal fee.

D

Schedules: a d and e effective july 19 2023 and schedules b and c effective september 17 2023.

D

This ends my presentation and I am available for questions. Thank you, finance manager or.

A

Roscoe, did I say it correctly? Yes, thank you and I'm opening up for uh council questions.

A

Council, member or councilmember, oh, I don't have lights on either. One of you.

A

No questions council, member, more okay, um just a quick kind of a scheduling, question.

L

So we've got this report. That's going to come to council sometime in the fall.

L

Regarding the fees that we have, um when would we anticipate making adjustments to this schedule.

L

um Once we've gotten that information.

M

um Student mayor, I I could take that question for director alfaro so council, member moore. If.

M

I understand you you're talking about the second potential fee schedule update that will be brought.

M

To council, um we don't have that clarity from the consultant right now, so we're hoping that the.

M

Study will finish before the end of a year, so if it's earlier, we can bring it back to council for.

M

Adoption sooner right now, the anticipated schedule is either december, if not january of next year,.

M

Okay and then so we're going to this will be for the following year. This adjustment.

L

That we're making right now this will be for the for the full year. We're not.

L

Going to readjust it halfway through no no you're, absolutely right. Okay! Thank you.

P

Yeah, so with respect to that same fee study, are we planning to harmonize that.

P

With our housing element, analysis in terms of uh constraints on development.

M

um Through to cheer, um yes, we are, and I double check with the community development.

M

Department and there isn't any potential constraint on the housing production.

A

Give any more questions before I open the public comment. Vice mayor, mohan.

K

Yeah I had one question in in schedule c: there's a nine percent labor cost. That's.

K

Been applied to all fees in schedule c, except for the housing mitigation in.

K

Luffy- and I wondered why that was not just that- I I didn't see an explanation for it.

D

Q

Would you like me to answer that question thanks uh yeah, so the so so the housing, the affordable.

Q

Housing mitigation fee is an impact fee. Its level is set by a separate nexus study um which.

Q

Is a different process than was used for this fee schedule, update, yeah and and when will that happen.

Q

um It's not uh not agendized. uh Now I mean it's something that council would would. I would.

Q

Recommend prioritizing through the work program, if you, if you would like staff to look at that.

Q

Thank you. Thank you. If there are no more questions, I'd like to open up a public.

A

Comment, please do you have any cards and hands raised? Yes mayor? I have one request to speak.

C

In community hall and I see two hands raised on zoom in community hall, we have don halsey.

C

Welcome don, thank you.

R

Good evening mayor honorable council persons, people in the staff etc, I'm here to talk about.

R

Of all things, the golf course but fees on the golf course that's today's topic.

R

The low-tech approach here- footprint avoider, I'm sorry appointment mayor. I would remind the.

Q

Audience that we have a speaker and and to give him via the floor, while he's speaking. Thank you.

A

um Just just so that we have a speaker attention, so, let's uh you know pay attention to this. Okay,.

A

Thank you continue, yes, okay! So that's what I'm going to talk about. Give you some fresh news.

R

Fees on the golf course as of this afternoon, I went right down there. There's a bunch of numbers.

R

Here I expect you to memorize them all, because there will be a test in about 10 seconds. Here's.

R

The test these are the fees proposed to a take effect tomorrow, that you're boating on right now.

R

Okay, so uh thanks for that over here in the yellow square, these are the fees that were there last.

R

Year and those of you with the photographic memory will say it's the same one, so: okay, fine, that jibes.

R

And these in white are what's proposed for tomorrow and if a sharp eye will discern that.

R

There is no difference, so no change proposed I'll. Just say hmm about that. We heard earlier that we.

R

Don't look at cpi because all this stuff is market driven. So I'm going to give you info on that. This.

R

Was actually presented back in september, here's blackberry farm, if I'm using the non-resident fee.

R

Of 18 dollars compared to a similar, non-resident fee at sunken gardens and those of you who don't.

R

Play golf may not be able to relate this, but these are very similar golf courses and you.

R

Might want to expect to pay about the same okay and but sunken gardens, which is publicly owned.

R

They charge 28 more and seem to make a go of it. You could say what about prune ridge, yeah.

R

Of course, you're right down in san jose another nine-hole golf course again, it's similar to what.

R

We've got at blackberry farm and they charge 22 percent more. I will not talk about deep, cliff.

R

40 plus percent more but they're, not public, we'll just go apples to apples here. So if we're going.

R

To be market driven, I would say, you've got a gap there. If you went and said, let's just go a little.

R

Short of the 28 and 20., let's just go with 20. You know if you did, that the the projections from the.

R

City showed overall, a 20 25 years, a 10 million dollar loss. If you boosted the fees by 20 percent.

R

We've got another 1.8 million and that would be 75 000 a year. So you could make a decision.

R

To say we're going to boost those fees looking at the market and I think that's an opportunity for.

R

The cupertino city council to say yes, this budget issue is serious, we're taking it seriously. Thank.

C

You don now we will move to zoom air. We have peggy griffin and lisa warren welcome peggy.

J

You've seen a council and uh staff, um I want to second what don halsey just said.

J

um I there is no excuse for not upping this fees for the blackberry farm golf course.

J

It has been repeatedly pointed out that the fees are too low.

J

So I encourage you to make an exception. Do your resolution but say that these fees need to go up.

J

um Also, I have two other issues in the staff report page four: six. It recommends that increases.

J

To parkland dedication and transportation impact fees be deferred to allow for further review.

J

When does the staff anticipate bringing this back council? My concern is twofold: projects are.

J

Continually being submitted and the longer the delay, the more our city will be impacted by the.

J

Inability to charge the adequate fees to cover the costs at a time when our finances are stretched.

J

Once this comes to council, it is approved, schedule, b fees. It takes 60 days after adoption.

J

That's an additional two-month delay from the time it comes to council and you pass it.

J

Please set a no later than date for bringing this back to council also prioritize this work, so that.

J

When it does return, it comes more quickly as soon as it can, delays will impact the city's finances.

J

um I question the statement in the staff report that there are no fiscal impacts, because this.

J

This proposed delay does impact the city second issue or third, if you count the blackberry farm.

J

Is one of the fees that shows up every year on our property tax bill? Is the parcel tax special.

J

Assessments area is storm water drain feed and maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. But I I can't.

J

Find it in schedule b- maybe it's not supposed to be there, but I'd like to know I'm trying to.

J

Find out if my taxes as of resident, are going to go up, even if I don't remodel or do anything.

J

Thank you. Thank you peggy. Next we have lisa warren welcome, lisa.

C

Okay, go ahead, lisa! Okay! Thank you. So, once again, thank you, peggy for all the good information and.

F

The research that goes behind it and as well as for don, I was like whom I was going to I.

F

Raised my hand to echo: what are you saying and add that on the open houses, where people.

F

Walked the course with staff um and potentially consultant too, I think maybe um I was at some.

F

Of these things- and there was always why don't we raise the price? Why don't we raise the price.

F

And that was coming mostly from people who golfed there on a regular basis. There's no reason not to.

F

um For all the reasons that don said and just knowing that your population who was interested.

F

In this school subject is not opposed to it at least the people I heard so please consider that.

F

I think that's it. I think. Thank you, lisa mayor. That's our final speaker. Thank you. Medicity clerk.

A

I'm gonna close the public comment area and then bring it back to council for discussion.

A

um Council member foong and followed by council member chao, and so if you could actually opine.

P

On the issue of the fees for the golf course that would be helpful. Is there a particular methodology.

P

Used to arrive at the no change or what else is driving that? Yes, so we met with the parks and.

O

Recreation department and discussed the ability to either raise the fees now or wait for the fee.

O

Study that should be comprehensive, looking at all their fees altogether at once, and we felt it would.

O

Be most prudent to wait for the fee study to come forward to look at everything holistically at once.

A

um Just to follow that question, so that would be looking at maybe a fee adjustment being.

A

About a year right, correct the with the recommendation coming to council, you know.

O

December january time frame and then that fee that fee could could go into effect.

O

Earlier, if council sold chose, if not, it could go into effect um in in july 1st. Okay, thank you.

A

Remember jack, so I remember last year already we were told that we are not increasing the golf.

B

Course, fee at the time, because we are going to do some study and now, a year later, with.

B

All the price increase everywhere, we are still not increasing the fees, so I'm just wondering.

B

If we decide, for example, that, because this is an issue that has been brought up many times so if.

B

We decide, maybe we increase the resident fee by 10 percent non-resident fee by 20 percent.

B

Is it possible that to make that decision today.

B

Or do we need a require? Do we need more study for before the council make that decision? I believe.

O

We can do that to davis, want to double check with city attorney because of noticing, if that's still.

O

Allowable to increase the rates for blackberry farm, we would have to re-notice the item. Yes, so.

B

um We would need to come if we have to do it in the next meeting.

Q

Yeah, I would recommend that I mean I could take a look at it, but I I don't want to look.

Q

I won't be able to give you an answer on the noticing requirements. Now. Can we adopt the.

B

Virgin today and then revise the golf course fee in another meeting that could always come back.

Q

As a separate agenda item- yes, okay, great and then another question brought up by the public.

B

uh Also, the state the staff report reads: public works department continues to evaluate parkland.

B

Dedication, transportation impact fees for fiscal year, 2020 324. It is recommended that increases.

B

To parkland dedication and transportation impact fees be deferred to allow for further review of.

B

Potential fee increases, so I'm curious: what's the reason that further review is required on and then.

B

Yeah I like was mentioned. When do I expect that to come back because, as we know, parkland dedication.

B

Transportation impact fees could make him a million dollar diff difference for a large project.

Q

Yeah, you know the the reasons for the two feeds are a little bit different with respect to the.

Q

Parkland feeds um uh it there. You know we don't really have solid uh basis for increasing them.

Q

At this point, with respect to the transportation impact fee, we really need to to to to do further.

Q

Study based on some changes since that that that fee was last set before increasing the fee, so.

Q

um So those those are are, are there different reasons, but at this point I I would not recommend.

Q

Increasing either of those fees for a number of reasons, so my understanding is for these two fees.

B

We would need to do a nexus study to understand the impact of the development project on popular.

B

Land or traffic and then we set the fee. So when was the last nexus study done well, so they're a.

Q

Little bit different processes for the two thieves for the so for the the the transportation impact.

Q

Fee, I believe the last nexus study was done in around 2017 and that you do need to do an.

Q

Exit study to to to to to to to to make sure that those fees are set correctly. The parkland.

Q

Dedication is a bit different, it's done via appraisal and I believe that's done annually.

Q

um Our our public works director can jump in and correct me. If that's that's not true.

B

So then, do those fees also automatically have an annual increase, or are they just not changed since.

B

2017., no, there have been pasted. There have been increases in those fees since 2017., so there is an.

B

Automatic annual increase by cpi, so the parkland dedication fee is tied to the cost of land in.

Q

The city, uh the the the the the the the the the transportation impact fee, I believe it's tied to.

Q

Construction cost index rather than cpi and okay, so construction cost. I has increased dramatically.

B

Since 2017. that's correct yeah, so do we plan to do a nexus study soon.

Q

uh It's it's it's something that we we are discussing at the staff level. um You know.

Q

If it's council could certainly prioritize that by by putting it on the work program,.

O

But it's um it's something that independent of that we are discussing fee is done annually.

B

Because we're getting a new assessment report from the county, uh no, we we we, we do an appraisal.

Q

um The public works department does an annual appraisal to to to evaluate that fee. Is that.

B

uh A requirement by and even this book called to do, an annual appraisal. It's a requirement.

Q

Of the quimby act, the state law that authorizes the fee that that the fees be you know, have you.

Q

Know bear a reasonable relationship to the cost of acquiring properties for parks. That's really good.

B

To know so, those are the reasons that they are not updated together with this fees, so it might be. It.

B

Will be nice if this is made clear in the staff report, so the public understand the reasons of.

B

Not updating those thank you for the explanation, of course. Okay, thank you, council, member, uh more.

L

Yes, I'm kind of wondering looking at the schedule, e blackberry farm golf course if we are to pull.

L

Out the the golf fees um is that something that we could see uh in on the 25th or are we going.

L

To have to wait later on that and then there's a number of fees associated with it beyond just the.

L

16 and the 18 that we were looking at there was a whole other table. um So what what is the request.

L

That we would be making, because we would, if we are going to approve all of the fees we're just.

L

Going to say you know, our motion is going to be to approve the recommended action. Less all of the.

L

Golf fees and then you can look at the the tables and see if there's something that we can simply.

L

Add to because council member chow's suggestion is to do the 10 increase on the residential.

L

And the 20 on non-residential. So if you have some suggestions on how we can do that mayor.

M

um I think I don't know it's going to be feasible to bring it back next tuesday, and considering that.

M

Council is dark. In august we may be able to find a time to bring it back in september october time.

M

Frame, however, we would definitely need to talk to depart director director and also to figure.

M

Out if this is feasible and have a determination, so maybe even the september time frame might be.

M

A little late I hate to commit to something that I would not may not be able to deliver.

A

So the question is we: we can approve this, but we can bring back the item if we want to right.

A

That is correct. Okay, thank you. My other question is if the council would like to prioritize the.

A

Traffic nexus study, we can do that as a work plan, but we do have to work. Look at the work.

A

Plan and some something comes, something has to go. That is correct. Okay, thank you.

A

So remember to tell you that you don't have minutes. Let's have councilman, I am ready to make a.

B

Motion: okay, I'm going to ask a quick question: yes, vice please um yeah! This is for uh staff. The staff.

K

Report says: there's uh additional revenues of 550 000 that uh that we will get as a result of these.

K

Fee increases so has that already been budgeted or is that is this like an unexpected windfall.

D

Be the ladder it's not included? Yes, yes, okay. Thank you. Vice mayor mohan, to make.

O

That I just wanted to add their estimates um so they're not guaranteed. It depends.

O

Who comes to pull uh what what fees they come to pay for, which items that would drive that.

A

Are you ready to make a motion uh should I close the.

A

Public hearing, yes, you may, if nobody else has I'm gonna close the public hearing and uh go.

A

For a motion, please, okay, I move for the staff recommendation to adopt resolution number 23-094.

B

And as stated, and in addition uh in, we will bring the golf course fee increase back with.

B

The potentially 10 increase for residential and twenty percent for around non-residential.

B

Of course, staff can recommend whatever is unreasonable and also. I would like that way.

B

Prioritize the next study for the traffic impact fee, given that the construction cost has increased.

B

Quite a lot since 2017.. Thank you so I like to make a friendly amendment to just approve, as.

A

Recommended but the fee increase on golf course and the traffic study be the future agenda items.

J

um Yeah, that's future agenda item right, but not incorporate into the motion uh we will put on.

A

Future agenda items um you can propose that I approve it and I think that's a cleaner. I think.

A

For hearing I'm going to ask you- and usually we just include all this- this is a public hearing, so.

A

I'm going to ask see attorney's opinion on this yeah. I think that would be more consistent with.

Q

What's agendized but but certainly you know um what what I'm hearing is that that the uh that.

Q

Council member chow is making a request for those future agenda items that the mayor is supporting.

Q

Those as as being added to the future agenda items list. So if, if that's acceptable to you.

Q

Then I would recommend going with uh mayor way's um uh friendly amendment sold. I think I would like.

B

To still include that, as part of the motion but clarify that those two items are future agenda, it.

B

Feature agenda items this has been, I think, the practice of cupertino council that we.

B

Do in include interactions for two staff right, but I'm recommending that that you not do that.

Q

Because it because of it's, not consistent with what's agendized under the brown act,.

A

um Okay, so the motion is to approve as as proposed, and I second that motion we accept.

A

My friendly amendment right so I will need to bring the future agenda item up again when the.

B

Item comes up at the end of the meeting. Well, I think yeah. I think we I think we can acknowledge.

Q

The future agenda items without going through it. I don't need to bring that out yeah. I think I think.

Q

um I I think that this, the city manager heard both of you request those as future agenda.

B

Items so the meeting record would reflect that I've noticed that direction include the future.

B

Agenda item through the mayor, if I made I I've, noted the future agenda item to bring both the.

M

Golf course fee and also the impact fees for um as a future agenda item. Okay, great, thank you so.

B

The motion is only the staff recommendation. Just yes and I second that any discussions.

L

More sure, um just really quick there. I just want to point out that there.

L

Are three pages on the on the blackberry farm golf course? Fees, um pdf 376 through.

L

um Three, um it looks like 379, actually, um no 378., um so there are a number of fees in here.

L

um That would need to get looked at, so I hope that those are all going to come back to us.

L

And I want to thank don halsey for bringing this up. Thank you. Thank you. Councilman more.

A

And I like to add that don actually is the avid golfer so appreciate your um you know, giving us.

A

Recommendations, so we have a motion in a second. If there's no discussions, let's vote by light.

C

The motion here is unanimously. Thank you, mana city clerk. Now we are moving into action item.

A

Which is ember 9.? Does the council need a break or we can deny and have a little.

A

Break because I think we're expecting 10 to go a little longer. [music] Yes,.

A

Are we going to let's do finish, item 12 first, okay, so item 12 is consider scheduling a council.

A

Agenda item to update the fiscal year, 2325 ct work program to include an item relating to the noise.

A

Ordinance, this item we're just looking at whether we want to proceed with the the noise ordiness or.

A

Not it's not really a recommendation of work plan so do we have a staff report sure mary.

M

um We don't have a presentation, but we do have a staff report included in the packet for today's.

M

Meeting very quickly to provide a background. You'll remember several meetings ago there was.

M

A resident who resides on a residential property of budding a commercial property along de anza.

M

Boulevard so he's come to council meeting during our communication express interest in amending.

M

The city ordinance to further mitigate his problem staff has subsequently met with the.

M

Resident a number of times both and myself, and a community development director staff.

M

And also, I believe, this mayor way and also a number of council members have met with this.

M

Resident so as mayor way suggested, um this is to bring the item before council to decide if.

M

This is an item that will qualify as a city work program for the next two fiscal year. We.

M

Have not done any evaluation to see how much and how long this work item would occur. If council.

M

Decides to put it on the city work program. We can subsequently come back with that further analysis.

M

And that concludes my presentation. Thank you, mary. Thank you, city manager. Do we have.

A

Questions for city manager, if not I'll, open up a public comment, do we have any public comments.

C

Mayor, I see no hands raised on zoom, nor do I see any speaker requests to speak.

C

In community hall, I will close the public comments. Come back for council discussion.

A

um I did bring this up because I did notice that our noise ordinance haven't been really looked.

A

At for a long time- and this is um what I call my concern- is for the business- that's really close.

A

To the resident residential area, do we want to really do we want to have a little different.

A

Noise level of ordinance for this to be studied. But I don't know how long it's going to take.

A

To study and how much it's going to cost, so I'm asking my colleagues: do we really want to study.

A

This, if we do, then our staff will come back with how much it's going to cost. How long it's going.

A

To cost as a a city a work program, then we can decide whether we want to put it on a workman or.

A

Not today what I'm asking is, do we really want to take a look at this right and then another point.

M

Of clarification fairway, if I may, we would like to keep the consistency of the city work program so.

M

So, as council makes a decision on adding this item to the work program, we will come back to.

M

Recommending the council to drop an item from the current work program as well understood and what.

A

I would like to know is first how much and how long it's going to take before. I even consider.

A

Whether that's going to be a work current to be prioritized or not so any uh council discussions.

A

Remember more, please, um I just took a question for the city manager. um Did we get a balcony.

L

And screening onto the work plan, I don't think we did and then the other question is.

L

um On that same note, did we get the sign ordinance on there as well? I don't think either of them made.

M

It um through to may I don't believe the screening or balcony regulation is made it to the city award.

M

Program, I do believe the design ordinance is on, but it's on the lower priority list.

A

Any other questions here. Yes, I apologize. I missed four hands raised on zoom, okay,.

A

So, let's reopen the public comments. Okay, great! You have four hands raised: aram james.

C

Serenity, bella mundo and peggy griffin and lisa warren welcome aram, my apologies. I was waiting.

E

To speak on item number 13 uh to you know to talk about thanks. Sorry! Yes, thank you! So serendi.

C

uh uh You'll need to unmute it's very needy.

N

Hi did you wish to speak on this item? Okay, so they muted themselves again. So.

C

uh We'll go to peggy griffin, welcome peggy good evening council members and staff.

J

um There are many many items that were proposed and discussed as part of the 2023-25 city work.

J

Program the items that were decided where and are the highest priority to both the.

J

Residents and the council and the staff- and there are several of the city's ordinances.

J

That need to be addressed and reviewed, which the public has expressed. Frustration with.

J

Multiple times during city meetings, such as balconies and decks, privacy, screening.

J

um Signage and lighting on signs lighting, indoor and out. I believe that adding this possible work.

J

Item on a future agenda to possibly bump a place, one of our 15 currently funded work plan items is.

J

Not the best use of staff and council priorities in time just deciding to consider it at a future.

J

Council meeting will take valuable staff time and resources away from existing projects at.

J

A time when only 15 items were funded, this also prioritizes one ordinance over several.

J

That I've already mentioned that people have multiply mentioned in many different meetings.

J

If you consider this item, then you should also be considering the following items: that many.

J

Residents have expressed concerns over in the past balconies privacy, screening lighting, signage.

J

I would suggest adding this noise ordinance review to the list of items to be considered.

J

Next year, along with the other potential work plan, items and prioritize them all together for.

J

Making this decision please vote no on this and add it to the list to be considered when.

J

You update the entire work. Thank you. Thank you peggy. Next we have lisa warren, followed by vena.

C

Penis sanker, I'm an iranian welcome lisa. Thank you. Thank you. Peggy for bringing up all those other.

F

Reasons- and I was at the meeting um when, when juan the resident gave a very detailed presentation.

F

About the issue and- and he also attended the next day, um this was june 6 meeting and on.

F

June 7th, the mayor had her chat at panera in the afternoon and he was there to, and the mayor said.

F

She would talk to him offline. I believe so. uh I'm not sympathy, I'm it's not that I'm not sympathetic.

F

To the issue that juan and emily and and others may have with this specific area, I am, however,.

F

I feel, like you know two years ago, I was not heard by the mayor when she was then city council. I this.

F

Planning commissioners in the past have heard and want to fix the balconies in the privacy screening.

F

I set up a meeting to talk to director, fu and luke connolly. Unfortunately, director food did not show.

F

Up at the meeting, but I did speak to luke connolly at length and gave him reasons, and I you know.

F

It just isn't a good. It's, not a good visual to have this come up at this time.

F

And unfortunately, for for one and I'm sorry one, I don't know your last name, um he did a great.

F

Job, I am sympathetic to the problem, but this once again feels like this council and this staff is a.

F

Little out of whack with what the residents have been asking for repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly.

F

And and get nowhere and it's important and it's more and more important as housing laws.

F

And our past and people take it well, people submit projects that match those bills and.

F

And it will be worse for noise pollution as well. It should be on that list, but it.

F

Shouldn't be treated differently than the others and to me it is.

F

So I would ask that you really reconsider why this was on the agenda and any staff time was.

F

Used to get it there, when the excuse is always we don't have staff time to do what we need to do.

F

Are all we need to do, which I understand, but it's a little.

C

Sideways. Thank you. Thank you, lisa mayor. That was our final speaker. Thank you very much. I'm gonna.

A

Go close to public comments and thank for all the speakers, so I bring back for council discussion.

M

I was corrected council member moore show. The sign ordinance did not make it onto the work program.

A

So actually, because I brought this up so I am willing to say um if I don't have support from.

A

The council, we will wait until next year when we redo our work plans and propose.

A

um Again and see if it will make a to the work plan, so I this is not to say yes or no. Just we.

A

Need a direction, uh give direction to staff to proceed or not to proceed with analysis.

A

So if there is no motion to proceed, then go ahead. Council member ciao.

B

Yeah, I think we have quite a list of quality of life.

B

Issues affecting quality of life on and requiring us to strengthen our code to.

B

Either clarify or enhancing the existing code, like the many mentioned here.

B

um I wonder if we can add this to the 2bd list and then I I think the.

B

The city manager last time brought the to be list, build to be dealers to the council so that we.

B

Have can see all the list and then and then we decide so that this is not forgotten.

B

And then that's one possibility. I wonder if that's possible, then another question is, I understand.

B

There there is sometimes an ordinance, you can change a lot or maybe you it's just changing.

B

Very minimal if we make a very minimal change to just on the threshold, how much work would that be.

B

Today is the um for council direction, whether you want a staff to do that analysis or not? I.

B

Would like some feedback on how much work if we are maybe lowering the threshold by.

B

10 percent say how what kind of work will be involved through the mayor? If I may.

M

um The honest answer is, I don't know, I really don't know how much work it will involve without.

M

Giving into a solid analysis so may I ask the question if we do ask you to do analysis, um how.

A

Long would that take the staff time? Oh, I know it's it's a tough question too, but it will if, if we say.

A

We would like to know proceed with the necessary analysis and how how much would stop time take.

A

To do any work plan, how how long would that take? um I would ask for more direction from council in.

M

Terms of what would you like to see being amended in a current noise ordinance? Is it to lower the.

M

Threshold, or is it to have a buffer, or is it to have more mitigation imposed by the commercial.

M

Property, there's a maybe a variety of different alternative that we can look into and potentially.

M

Looking into other neighboring cities ordinance and then potentially, the county noise ordinance.

M

As well, keep in mind that, as as I mentioned, this is a common occurrence when you have a.

M

Residential property, a bus, a budding against a commercial property on the busy commercial.

M

Corridor so again an honest answer to that is I I don't know. This looks like a real work plan.

A

For me now, okay, council, member, more and followed by vice mayor mohan, please, okay, thank you. I think.

L

It would be my preference if we could put this as a future agenda item and then we could have some.

L

Discussion regarding also the sign ordinance we're seeing some new varieties of signs showing up.

L

um And the the balconies, as someone mentioned from the public, that's true back when I was on planning.

L

Commission we were looking at the balconies and wanting to have that get onto the council agenda.

L

We're still wanting to see it, so if we could do that, I think it might be a solution for this.

K

The city work program was arrived at after a lot of discussion and negotiation, so I'd hate.

K

For that to be changed, so I realized the value of the amending the noise ordinance.

K

But I'm wondering if we could just leave the city work program exactly as it is and then we look at.

K

You know future options to to study the the noise ordinance. I had asked.

K

The staff a question earlier and I did get a response I said, is this something that the.

K

Businesses could negotiate with the with the owner um and I think the answer from staff.

K

Was that they had tried various options and nothing was feasible. That is correct.

A

So I think my um conclusion, at least from my point of view, is we're not going to look at this right.

A

Now, but maybe next year, when we look at our work programs, we can propose the balcony the noise.

A

Ordinance and other things and see and prioritize it at that time is that, can I get a strong vote.

A

um Is that, okay, with council member moore.

A

Then there's not going to be emotion or anything just within a I'm correct. Okay, uh vice mayor mohan,.

A

Yes, okay, um I just I I just want to be to to have a bad assurance that the future agenda item list.

B

To be considered, the next year will include this noise ordinance balcony regulations.

B

Sign ordinance, including lighty designs and lighting, and privacy, screening and screening.

B

I was proposing to be a work plan and we can decide on privacy. So can we it's not gonna.

A

Give us a second to add this to the future agenda item, so at least we are sure it's.

B

On the list to be considered not that it will be scheduled, so that way, don't forget.

B

Them because people keep bringing them up, and if so, this is not on the list, they feel frustrated.

B

So, are we going to put a future agenda item or on a work plan, not a work program future.

B

Agenda item is so that we don't forget them when we reconsider work program next year.

A

Yeah, I guess my only question or concern here is: what would we hope to accomplish at the future.

P

Meeting where we would discuss these items that are on the tbd list, so we will prioritize at that.

B

Time for next year's work program and and then decide so I'd like to bring back the staff made.

B

And provide estimations there. I like to bring me just to this item that are we going to do.

A

This or not, I, I think, the others we can do future agent items in the end, because this item is, are we.

A

Going to proceed or not proceed with the necessary analysis regarding noise ordinance, what I'm trying.

A

To stop all this, we're not going to proceed until the next year's work plan and if that server is.

A

Okay with everybody, then this item is uh closed. So thank you for our discussion, so we I'm. Thank you.

A

So much for waiting, we are going to item number 13, but the council has been matching six o'clock.

A

We're going to take a five minutes break and we will come back. So thank you for your patience.