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From YouTube: Cupertino City Council Meeting - July 18, 2023 (Part 2)

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Coverage of the Tuesday, July 18, 2023 Cupertino City Council Meeting.
Part 2 of 2.

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I'd like to welcome everyone. I know we all have passions you're here, because you have your passion.

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And apple, I like to put some ground rules. We are a community, nothing is going to divide our community.

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That's the premise we are here and, and I'm sorry no clapping either.

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So um the council meeting is a place where you can speak up. You can really express your opinions. The.

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Councils are listening and you know residents are listening to and everybody's listening, but I would.

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Like remember, one of the public comments on our communications, luis sadari, says: let's be cordial.

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And let's be respectful, so I know everybody has signs. Could you keep your signs like this.

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And, instead of raising it too high, it's because we see your science no matter. You know whether.

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It's high or low, and also no clapping. We want to respect everybody's speech because everybody is.

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Valued everybody's opinion is respected. We are here as a community whether you live in cupertino.

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Or not, we are part of a bigger community and I really want to say I'm a very proud.

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Asian american public official- and you are all no clapping- and you are all part of the.

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Community and we want to be together, it doesn't matter. We have different opinions.

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Different passions, let's listen to each other and be part of the community, no clapping be.

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Respectful and no raising hands too high. We see your signs and I do have to share.

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um I don't see the clerk, how many cards do we have yes mayor? We have 98 blue speaker cards for.

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Community hall, and could you ask the zoom zoomers, we call them zoomers we're the rumors they're, the.

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Zoomers to raise your hands in the next minute, so I can know how many there too. So anyone wishing.

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To speak on zoom right now, please use the raised hand feature in the next minute to soak by 8 25.

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I like to count how many we are public comments, usually it's for an hour, but I'm going to extend.

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To an hour and 90 minutes, but everyone gets one minute, but when the one, our 90 minutes up, whoever.

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Doesn't get to speak doesn't get to speak. So if you feel your speech, your passion is the same as.

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The person behind you be above you, you can just say I I I I I agree with that person. That was.

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Save a lot of minutes for other people to speak. So I'm hoping that we're in the spirit of we're.

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Here together and then we are really going to work this out. We are here to listen everybody's here to.

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Listen, let us not be divided. That is really our premise. uh Do we have zoomers? How many are there.

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And I want to say all the council members has received over 300 emails and I tried to read.

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Every one of them, some of them asking really fast and I understand everyone's position. You know.

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Everybody's passion and everybody's reasons to for being here so, but it's always good to listen.

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To you again face to face a mayor, we have about 47 on zoom 47, so 98 here 47. So one and a half min.

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Hours so I'm going to put one hour here in in the room and then 40 uh 30 minutes in for the.

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Zoomers, and so everyone has one minute please and if you agree with the person before you just say,.

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I agree with that person or, if you can just stand up behind it, we and not come up again. So everybody.

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Can have a chance for that one minute. That would be good when one hour is up we're gonna cut it.

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And if you don't get to speak, I apologize ahead of time. So, let's start with the first speaker.

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Yes, so the first speaker is mayor further for the record. I don't think we actually introduced.

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The item, so I am so sorry, I thought. Okay, we are thank you senior, tony, for keeping in line we're.

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So passionate about this, I thought everybody knows it, so we are going to enter number 13.

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Consider taking a position to ink support or in opposition or otherwise, regarding in.

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Response to senate bill 403 amending the early civic rights act to clarify the existing state.

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Law prohibitions on discrimination based on ancestry, prohibited discrimination based on.

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Caste or other inherited status, so we are here to actually do we have a staff presentation.

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We don't have a presentation I I can. I can. I can briefly summarize the staff report and then you.

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Know give the public the opportunity to to to to to provide their comments. um So you know, as.

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The mayor said the the item before council is to consider taking a position on senate bill.

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403, uh which amends the unrest civil rights act, which the state law that prescription prohibits.

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Discrimination in public accommodations and housing um uh based on ancestry, um sb 403, seeks.

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To clarify existing state law prohibitions on discrimination based on ancestry, to make it clear.

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That those discriminations include discrimination based on cast or other inherited status.

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uh Based on the assembly judiciary committee bill summary, no city has taken an official position on.

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The legislation uh there are both supporters and opponents of the bill. The supporters have focused.

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On the prevalence of cash discrimination within the state's south asian community and the need.

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To clarify anti-discrimination laws to protect against it, the opponents have characterized the.

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Bill as unfairly maligning targeting and racially profiling, people of south asian.

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Ancestry, uh although there have been amendments to the bill that have mitigated those objections.

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Somewhat. But, but certainly not to the extent that that many opponents would be satisfied with.

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um And there's a full list of organizations supporting opposing the bill in uh provided.

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As attachment b to your staff report um and so council, ken by majority, vote, um support or oppose.

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The the the the the the bill and provide direction to staff as as to as to how to to implement.

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That position or um alternatively, no action, is required if council elects not to take a position.

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Thank you. Thank you, uh cj. Turning, thank you really for the good explanation and I'm open.

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For council questions first, you have questions before public comment for our siege attorney.

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If not, I oh council, member ciao, please.

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What's the status of the bill right now,.

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I believe it's pending in the assembly judiciary committee.

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Appropriation say, thank you. Thank you. We have very knowledge, knowledgeable uh audiences here.

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Thank you, okay. So if there's no further questions from council, I'd like to open up a public comment.

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Remember we called you, be respectful and try to save time, so everybody have a minute to speak and.

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um I I'm here we're here to listen to you and we're so glad to provide this opportunity to get.

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To know you two, I got to know quite a few of um of you. Guys um of um you know just having coffee.

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So it every opportunity is opportunity for us to make friends and be part of the community. So thank.

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You for coming so mayor, they each speaker has up to one minute and then you will cut it off.

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It at 66 60 minutes in community hall; yes, okay, so perfect: nine o'clock- oh 9, 30, 9, 30; yes, so karthik.

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Please uh and line up the city color will call maybe three people so lining.

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Up quickly, so we can save some time followed by ajinkya, followed by prasanna.

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Welcome karthik.

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Hello, thank you city, council members. I would like request you to support sb403. This whole issue.

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Opened up followed by the cisco cast discrimination case, which is reported.

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In 2020 the case was the person working in cisco phase discrimination since 2017 and followed by.

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That many companies included cast in the protected category, including apple, which is headquartered.

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Here and the cisco case, discrimination why it went to the court is the hachar did not.

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Understand how the cast operates among the south asians, particularly and indians, and.

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He mentioned cash discrimination is not unlawful, and that is what many people here here, bringing.

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The boat says: sb 403 is unlawful, sb 403 has been introduced to make the cash discrimination is as.

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A product category followed by that apple added product category in their policy and also cisco.

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Added, so I would like to request you to support sb403 to save minority among these unscrupulous.

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Majority here the majority should not kill the law protection for the minorities. Thank you.

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Followed by persona hello, council members, so I'd like to start firstly by mentioning.

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That cast is a human rights issue and should not be just contingent on numbers cast is a.

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2000 year old, menace of graded inequality with origins in southeast asia, it has surprisingly.

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Survived in spite of scientific and many social revolutions and also capitalism, it.

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Has not only survived but also flourished and internationalized itself here in usa, which is.

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Evident from the cisco case and the baps temple issue and numerous other incidents, so I heard.

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City of cupertino to stand strongly in support of sb403 to uproot cast-based discrimination.

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In housing and unemployment in california, the only progressive position to take here is to.

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Strongly support and abstaining or waiting or diluting the bill will only help the retaining.

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Of this caste-based discrimination structures around the world, thank you. Thank you. Next.

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Week, welcome prasanna good evening, council members. Thank you for taking time and listening to us. I am.

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Here in support of sb 403, today's agenda item is for you to consider taking a position, as my friend.

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Suggested please take a position whether it is in support or in a position. Historically speaking,.

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People stand with the oppressed communities. There has been a lot of opposition whether it has to be.

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Racism or the transgender rights, I would like you to consider being on the right side of the history.

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Take a position in support of the bill and help the caste operas communities by giving them the.

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Legal safeguards, uh historically speaking, we have seen that during the 1964 rumford, fair housing.

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Act: uh white california's went to the extent of passing prop 14 referendum to declare that civil.

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Rights legislation legislation was null and void, so this kind of opposition always comes in. Please.

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Consider taking in support thank you. Next, we have tim mozi, followed by sunita, followed by.

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Ranganathan good evening, everybody- um I am just here to ask the city of cupertino to.

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Consider what they are doing with their vote today be being able to support sb 403 is to.

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Stand with hundreds of thousands of vulnerable californians who do not have the privilege to be.

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Able to come out of the closet, like those of us who have braved this audience to do so today, to.

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Vote against sb403 is to vote against every major asian legal organization in the state.

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Including the south asian bar of association of north america, the california asian pacific.

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Bar association of america and the asian law caucus, it is completely lawful to add, cast as.

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A protected category, but it is unlawful to allow even one act of discrimination. Think about where.

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You are going to stand in the realm of history. Are you there with those of us who are braving.

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Violence to speak our truth, or are you standing with the bigots who will be remembered for their.

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Heinous acts standing against the civil rights for californians. We ask you to stand with us now.

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Yes, on sb403 next we have sunita singh, followed by ranganathan srinivasan and banu natarajan.

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Good evening, council, member city attorney and city manager, thank you for providing this opportunity.

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For us to speak, so I am a big supporter of sb 403 and I urge you to stand with us and support.

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The bill completely, as is in print, you will be making history standing with the positive side.

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We are trying to make every single person in california equal sb 403 is not against any one.

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Person, religion or community, it will benefit every single one of you me and us. Everyone.

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So if any one of us ever got discriminated, they would have the legal way to go about it. So please.

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Please support sv403 and be the first city in california to stand with yes vote. Thank you. Thank.

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You next we have raganathan, followed by ravi uh uh welcome raganathan good evening. I don't want.

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To take up too much time, I just want to start off by saying that I am against sb 403 as many others.

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In this room, I am a person who was brought up in california, and I have no information on cast and.

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Even on my own cast- and I don't get why this cast has to be brought up right now and as I.

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Mentioned before I stand against sp 403. Thank you. Thank you. Next we have panu nadarajan, followed by.

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Ravi adamus adu sumili, followed by ajiti dasari, is banu okay, so I'm gonna bypass banyu. How about ravi.

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No okay and you are, are you uh ajit ajiti.

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Hello, so what is your name ajit? Actually, I want to yield my time to sandeep.

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Who is also in line for speaker, okay,.

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I'm really uh it's the same, I'm trying to yield it. Thank you for the time too. Okay.

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I'll start thanks so much honorable city, council, members and honorable vice mayor and mayor.

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I represent apna db, the largest california c3, of the marginalized people, and we are the very.

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Underprivileged minority that senator wahab and her supporters claim to represent, but they do.

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Not we strongly oppose sb 403. This bill is a weapon to divide our local communities, kill.

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The social justice and butcher our cultural existence, this bill is not sick versus dalits.

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It's not hindus versus not buddhist versus, it is everybody, including that it's over says. Those are.

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Anti-Dalis and those who are being misled by the anti-thelets, this bill becomes law.

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It will essentially uh essentially put the peace in this county and this is in jeopardy. We request.

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You not only to pass the resolution against this bill, but we also write to the kelly also, please.

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Write to the california assembly and governor to stop the hatred and divide our communities here.

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The anarchist plot did not work in the local level, so they have gone top to bar top top.

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From to bottom and city must stop this particular anarchy from happening. So now I'm going to give.

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The top reasons why we must oppose this particular disaster number one: the bill essentially border.

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Well, I don't think we established. Are you allowing people to consolidate time? Okay, I don't think that.

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Was established, I I I I I think that I I think you should consider whether that's fair to other.

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People that want to speak okay, um so uh do you have two people, so we had two people, seating.

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His time, so that would be three minutes total. So I'll give you julie, we asked the people to.

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Extend the council will discuss it: okay as people to stand behind him, so it's clear who yield time.

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Okay, so I'm not gonna, add more minutes just one one minute per person how's. That is that.

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Good for them it's up to you, mayor, okay, so everyone has one minute um to speak.

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Please you're going to have to keep the order here mayor. Yes, so the council do get to decide.

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um How to proceed with this? So um if you have three minutes, is our councils.

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um Do the council members want to give everyone one minute and, and one person can speak for the.

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Other person is that how we want to proceed, or we just want to limit one minute per person. It's.

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Your discretion, uh please, um please, speak, please be respectful, please only speak when.

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You're recognized yeah. Thank you, I'm sorry. We I really want to. I didn't respect this so.

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um We uh the councils- I want to counsel my council fellow members, to give me some your.

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Opinions: okay, it's okay mayor! um So I think in the past the mayor is short, have allowed.

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The people to yield their time and then, as a result, we get more on organize the thoughts on.

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The issue- that's very important, so I thought we should accept that. But then maybe, as the people.

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Who yield their time stand behind the speaker, so it's clear council member phone? What is your.

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Yeah, it's more a question for the attorney on uh procedure. Here we do have the council.

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Procedures manual- and I think it speaks to this question, uh so the council procedures manual.

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uh Does allow the mayor to modify the time limits when we have a large number of speakers, so we're.

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We're operating in that situation and does not speak specifically to that question when we are.

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Operating in that situation, um so it would be a procedural ruling that the mayor could make.

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um Subject to to um being overridden by three votes at the council, if, if council so chooses,.

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I like to allow everybody just one minute, but you are you, can give your woman to the.

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Other person- that's my preference, but um I need three votes to agree with that. um Do we have.

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um Do we need to vote on that? uh Let's uh that's my proposal through the merit, it sounds like it.

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Is reversed that you have the discretion to make that choice and we could override you if we so.

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Choose? Okay, so that's my choice. Anybody wants to any objections. If not please proceed, you have two.

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More minutes, because you have two percent so few reasons why we must oppose this bill and stop this.

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Disaster number one: these bills will force a state in self-contradition, essentially state.

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Itself has connected hinduism to the caste and it will put it in legal jeopardy. The supporters of.

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The bill like than mozi and her group also have connected the cash to hinduism, and it will be a.

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Disaster for the state they are pushing the state to disaster number two cast is the only word that.

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Is not universal in the in also the ancestry class, so this is going to put also very unfairly on our.

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Communities- and this is going to divide our communities number three- the bill appropriates.

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The identities of marginalized peoples like me, essentially it says the bill- proposes the cash.

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To be a perceived position now cast and jati is very specific, and you know you cannot just modify.

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The definition on the go city of wahab has already modified this definition thrice and you don't keep.

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On modifying a definition of something which has been very controversial, number one author.

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Next number, authors and the sponsors of the bill also agree: existing law protects it, so they are.

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Essentially, somehow want to push it with. You know, no matter what and just interesting fact you know.

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All the uh cisco case and all the equality lab survey and so on, they have been debunked. They.

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Have been silenced, but still essentially, they keep on bringing this outdated uh concept and.

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Essentially, keep on making circular references. Apple has been essentially put into uh put into.

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A misleading uh belief and that will be corrected. The bill is based on the fraudulent surveys and.

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Made up of stories in place of data, and this basically divides also our community, including.

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Our ravidasi brothers and sisters who have been misled in summary, they are behind unity amongst.

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Of all and it's very, very, very, very, very dangerous. They are trying to frantically.

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Divide us number two, we may hey- we may be here tomorrow or not, but our kids will be here so at.

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Least in their interest, please stand up for the local community here and please pass resolution.

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To oppose this bill, and please also write to the state policy makers. Thank you so much, sir, could.

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You remind me your name, please was it, my name is sandeep and I'm one of the many many volunteers.

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Of marginalized communities of an organization called it's a local california city. Thank you.

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Next, we have uh so ravi and a gt seated their time to send deep. Next, we have banu, followed by murali.

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Is a banu nataraj in here or murali molly, petty okay? uh How about shailendra, karate.

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Nurmalendu das, how are you shalendra, I'm shelindra? Okay, thank you. Thank you. City, council members,.

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And staff for giving us the opportunity to voice our opinion on this controversial sb403.

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So I was just going through all the agenda items and I see that they're all very progressive in.

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Nature, but when I looked at number 13 I saw that it is related to sb 403. So it clearly says that.

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As since number 13 is considered an unlucky number and is considered to be a misfortune, so how come.

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This sb 403 has become number 13., so this clearly shows that if this bill is passed, it's gonna.

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Bring misfortune to millions of californians and definitely to a half a million indian americans. So.

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I strongly urge you to vote no on this frivolous and divisive bill, and also I initially heard that.

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You read the pledge, and you said justice for all. This definitely is not justice for all.

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This is purely injustice for indian americans and particularly hindus. So I strongly urge.

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You to vote no on sb403. Thank you. Next, we have two followed by normally, please. No, no clapping.

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Please, thank you. Das powered by viraj robbed. Yes, yes, a dear council member. I strongly oppose sb.

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403, this can and will be used to divide my asian indian community. Existing u.s laws already provide.

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Protection against various forms of discrimination. By supporting this bill, you would knowingly or.

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Know, unknowingly be part to further an agenda of ill will and divisive politics. I request you to.

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Not support this bill. Thank you. Thank you. Next we have nurmalendi udas, followed by varaj murali.

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uh What is your name.

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uh Okay, what is your name, sir?.

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Okay, here's molly! I'm sorry with my turn. Can I speak yes, what was.

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Your name again: okay, okay, go ahead! Please thank you uh good evening.

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um Dear council, members and mayor, so I'm here to you know, request you to oppose in a california.

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Senate bill 403, and this actually promotes and plants harmful narrative within people's.

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Mind and divides the south asian community, specifically specifically the indian americans,.

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This is bringing in anti-discrimination law, for which is practically non-existent. You know issue.

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In california- and this is reinforces the false stereotypes, the bill is creating a discriminatory.

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Policy that single south south asians, primarily you know for something that does not exist.

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I can say from my personal experience that I'm living here working here for multi decades, I.

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Never encountered this thing ever ever in my life, and I don't want my kids and my next generation to.

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Basically, learn something that does not, you know, exist really in practically and basically you know.

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Poison their mind in school in their friends. Thank you. Morally. That is your time. Next we have barrage.

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You're, morally, I apologize. He was fine yeah. I don't remember my time to rishi kumar.

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Seating, your time to rishi kumar, rishi, kumar, mayor.

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Mayor, my name is rishi kumar also ram sripathi is yielding his time. Is that okay, wrong.

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Okay, thank you.

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uh Just one person morally is seating to rishi. Oh, what is your name.

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Okay, yes, I found you so three minutes. Okay, okay, please proceed! Thank you! Okay,.

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um Good evening my name is rishi kumar and I'm delighted to be here in the city of cupertino.

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I see some familiar friends on the dice and uh you guys are doing a great job and I presume you'll do.

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A great job again tonight- and uh you know, as the cupertino city council, to reject senate bill 403.

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And take a stance against it. It is frivolous it's much to do about nothing and it will just amplify.

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The asian hate crime that we have been seeing for so many years now, and uh this is not what we want.

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But let me explain why I'm a california democrat, a former executive board member of the california.

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Democratic party has served multiple terms: the democratic party and twice elected to.

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The saratoga city council and running for u.s congress from silicon valley's district 16.

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And I'm firmly against california's gas bill senate bill 403.

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I strongly condemn hindu phobia that this bill will surely amplify senate bill. 403 seems to be.

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The misguided and utterly unnecessary bill: why are we proposing a law for specific micro communities.

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Based on their national, ethnic or ancestral origin, when existing laws in california and the united.

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States already prohibits cash discrimination. It's such a poorly planned and misguided policy and.

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This is what is contributing to california's current crisis and accelerating a decline.

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The bill from sacramento is just flawed on many counts, and sacramento should be.

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Committed to a getting things done, approach that addresses the underlying failures of a.

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Golden state, not this bill, our surplus of 10 billion is now a deficit of 22 billion. It's.

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Time to get to work, not this bill, what issues are we trying to rectify? There is no historic.

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Or legal precedent for cash discrimination in the united states, not I haven't seen that ever.

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The emphasis on cast seems absolutely pointless. It's as if we are hunting for a problem when.

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None exists. This will potentially amplify hate crimes against south asians. Sacramento must top.

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This action for the sake of action: let's talk about support for sacramento's proposition, 47.

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Which led to a surge in crime across california? When will we absorb the lessons from our mistakes.

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Consider also the recent assembly build 205 that proposes linking california's.

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Utility rates to our income and atrocious move, there is unparalleled worldwide. This.

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Is not right for the rest of my statement. Please visit rishikumar.com sb 403. Thank you.

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In advance, cupertino city council, I know you will be on the right side of history.

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Sir, that is your time. You're muted, thank you. Next, we have barrage followed by vishali.

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Followed by aruna welcome varaj hi there I have been a cupertino resident for 20 years.

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And as a voter, I my request is no on sb 403. You need to honor your voters request and that's an.

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Obligation you all have would have, and this bill divides people. It is full of hatred for a certain.

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Community which I belong, which is hinduism you should not allow this. You should not allow it in.

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The city, you should not allow it in the state, and that is my request to you. I would really.

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Appeal to you uh to you, know, take this bill and oppose it. Send that message to the state.

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Lawmakers it will impact our community, our kids future, as well as the state. Thank you thank you.

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Next, we have rushali, followed by aruna, followed by mahesh hello, good good evening, everyone. I am.

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A citizen of united states, as well as the residents of cupertino for 20 plus years.

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My kids grew up here. We never talk about cast in the house. We are very proud hindu, americans.

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We have followed our culture as a hindus as well as the americans. Now, if this cast bill.

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Comes in it's going to be a given a chance to the people who want to cause the trouble right.

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Who wants to create a violations against another? Human beings is just so you're giving a bat into.

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Them so please stop on sb 403. Please oppose this bill and please write a letter to all of our.

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Lawmakers to reject the bill. Thank you so much. Thank you vishali. Next we have aruna uh zaruna.

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Not here, okay, mahesh yeah can I get to 20 seconds that she missed out on. Thank you.

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Oh sorry, sorry thank you. Thank you, cupertino city, council, mayor and members. um Thank you for the.

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Opportunity, um my name is mahesh natarajan and I am from saratoga. I have lived here in the bay.

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Area for the last 26 years and both my daughters are proud. Alumnus of the amazing cupertino schools.

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uh Personally, we have never witnessed any existence of caste sentiments, let alone.

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Discrimination among the vibrant community members, I'm also a proud employee at cisco.

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Systems now that company name was talked about a couple of times here, I've been an employee.

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There for the last nine years, so this whole bill was concocted on the shaky foundation of.

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Alleged caste discrimination in our great company, where discrimination any form is not tolerated.

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The case was flawed from the get-go and has been thrown out by the courts earlier this year. What.

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This bill is doing is causing unnecessary division among the indian community. Next.

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We have sashi bigor, followed by sri s, followed by deborah deborah brata biswas welcome sashi.

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Thank you may and council for giving me this opportunity. I might want to move just over yeah.

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All right, thank you, mayor and council for giving me this opportunity to speak I'll. Try to make it.

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Really short, I'm not known to speak quickly or to speak short, but I'll. Try uh the point.

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Here of why I'm here is to oppose this bill, this bill is supposed to be something that is supposed.

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To work for the masses, but what it is doing is it's it's separating out the hindu americans and.

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Specifically targeting us, I can give you the the examples were given of. Why cast should be there.

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Is that it's based on last name, you can decide whose cast it is. My last name is the name of.

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The town I come from my maiden last name was the name of the town. My father's family came from so.

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What is my cast? The other thing that they said was based on food habits. You would have you can.

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Decide the person's cast. I have a daughter who, depending on the stars, how the stars are aligned.

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Will be a vegan or will eat everything? What is her cast? Is she going to change every day.

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So please, this is a ridiculous bill that needs to be opposed. Thank you, sashi. Next we have sri.

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S followed by deborah brata, followed by govind tadakari, welcome sri hi. I am a recent high school.

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Graduate and the first time I came upon the term cast was in my sixth grade middle school, social.

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Studies textbook under the chapter indians, it was the largest section in the textbook.

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And was the first time I came across the word, showing already how much of a foreign concept.

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It is many of us here if you can't already tell from the room, are indian and we are looking to.

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Heal and I don't understand how intro how the introduction of a caste system would help in.

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Healing I have no knowledge of my own caste and I don't see the point in introducing it as a bill.

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Additionally, I find it unlawful and discriminatory against indians, especially hindus. Having recently.

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Just gone through the public education system and now attending university, I.

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Know that the introduction of this build would only make the process much more difficult and.

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Would not provide any solution to healing in any way. Thank you. Thank you. Srinix. We.

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Have deborah brata, biswas, govan, tadakare and mohan hey honorable, my name is dave biswas a.

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Cupertino honorable city, council, members, mayor and staff, I oppose all forms of discrimination.

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um We know the proverb the road to hell is made with good intention, as we 403, I believe, is one.

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Such intentions, this bill makes us believe that hindus only discriminate sb 403 targets.

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Hindu americans, the same way, the german jews were targeted between 1933 and 45, ending in holocaust.

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Please ask your common sense and conscious and vote no to as before, with their place.

B

Thank you. Next, we have govind tarakari, followed by mohan, followed by satya prakash, malcolm gubbin,.

Y

Good evening mayor vice mayor and council members, city manager, city attorney and.

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City clerk, it's a privilege to come and speak to you on this uh at this about this bill. I think.

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This bill is flawed from the start. He doesn't understand. First of all, in cupertino one-third.

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Of us are from indian american background and we know exactly what this bill is trying to do.

Y

Cast is a typically uh colonial world. You can go and reference. I can give you. I have already.

Y

Sent you some references about it and I think that's where the issue is so I just want. I may.

Y

Ask is that please oppose this bill. I have put all my details in the email. Please go.

Y

Through the email- and you will understand that this is a very pernicious, very divisive bill.

Y

It has it, there are no numbers to support what exactly it tries to address. Thank you.

B

Thank you govern. Next, we have mohan, followed by satya prakash, followed by nitin kumar.

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Hello: everyone I'm going to be accompanied by the two fabulous ladies, who are going to.

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Be yield their time to me. Is that all right with the console? Thank you very much. What could just.

B

For the notes, you don't have to provide your name, but it would be helpful for the minutes.

I

Z

Namaste honorable city, council members, honorable vice mayor and mayor, my name is mohan gomalam. I'm.

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A spokesperson for china mission san jose- I am completely against all forms of discrimination.

Z

This bill has been 403, however, is discriminatory converse to what it actually purports to do.

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It's based on faulty conducted survey for a by a for-profit organization, equality labs that will.

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Make great monetary gains with the passage of this bill, but chose to hide behind the mask of equality.

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The bill also references a case that was tossed out by the court as a frivolous lawsuit. There.

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Have been no cases of discrimination in california based on caste? Ever there was a mention of caste.

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Discrimination that was happened in a temple that also was thrown out recently on on sunday.

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This bill constructed today is completely discriminatory and not facially neutral. At.

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All, unlike every other discriminatory bills that are there in that's there in the constitution,.

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There have been further studies done by carnegie institute and pew research.

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That debunked, the caste discrimination claims that has been made by equality, labs.

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I request the council to pass the resolution against sb 403.

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Say no to the usage of the word cast: stop reverse discrimination. Let's get more scientific.

Z

When we are trying to decide on passing laws, let's do scientific surveys, not biased service. Thank you.

B

Thank you. Next, we have satya prakash, followed by nitin kumar, followed by pranav kaushik.

S

Okay will be speaking for me and um are you satya yeah.

B

Thank you, hello. Dear members of the city council, I am here to oppose the bill uh b b. S403.

AA

Oh, it's: okay,.

A

It's okay: if it becomes a law, it could result in unfair treatment and stereotypes based on.

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Factors like last names, dietary choices and religious symbols, which we shouldn't.

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Have to face this could lead to assumptions of guilt and discrimination against indian.

AA

American denying us the equal protection and fair treatment we deserve under california,.

AA

Law, it's important to remember that existing laws already protect us against.

AA

Discrimination based on our background and heritage, I strongly oppose fb403.

B

Thank you next. So nitin kumar are you here. I do not see you. Okay, toby.

B

uh Pragna shri bangkok, srinivasan.

B

Hire you oh okay. Yes, welcome. Toby I'll give my one minute to morning: okay, okay, so uh I'm.

AB

Good to need some more volunteers, so I'll call their names out so venkat, ranganathan and psy. So.

AB

So yeah yeah, so I need about four minutes, so there are four of them that volunteered. So I.

AB

Have including my time, it's five minutes: okay, what were their names? Pardon sorry, sci, okay,.

B

Thank you, and, and yes in your audio yeah, okay, okay, thank you so uh good evening, mayor vice mayor and.

AB

The city council, uh thank you for giving me this opportunity to speak. um I'm muni madhipatla, I'm a.

AB

Long time resident of cupertino, I'm representing my family here and uh I came prepared to speak.

AB

With my own speech, but a friend of mine that was born and raised here, sent me what she wanted to.

AB

Speak but she couldn't be here so I'm going to read out her speech, because this is so compelling.

AB

And that's what I'm afraid of okay I'll read our speech. I was born in united in the united states.

AB

And I feel compelled to speak today because this is really personal to me as an american, my family.

AB

Is from singapore we have been part of the indian diaspora for generations, and caste is irrelevant.

AB

To us, but because I look indian, I'm subjected to assumptions about caste, I'm a physician about 10.

AB

Years ago I walked into the clinic, and my nurse looked at me. Strangely, she says: hey doc. My son is.

AB

In school and he's learning about the caste system- and I can see her frowning, we have worked together.

AB

For years we have examined patients together and so socialize together. But now her son has learned.

AB

This awful stereotype about indians, the fact that I am a second generation american is irrelevant.

AB

I look indian, my name is indian and I'm expected to have an answer for this. Similarly, other friends.

AB

Family is from fiji. She is. She descended from indian indentured servants, slaves that british.

AB

Brought in in the 1800s from india to fiji, she remarks to me. My white co-worker is asking me.

AB

About caste, my friend has my friend has never been to india and doesn't know anything about.

AB

Caste, so I asked her: what did you say she replies whatever we learned in the seventh grade in social.

AB

Studies, that's all I know about about it. My friend was asked that question because in the dominant.

AB

Perspective caste is associated with anyone who looks south asian. My friend and I are in our.

AB

40S- and that was an awful feeling for us think about how this feels for a brown kid when I was.

AB

A student california passed proposition 187. Anyone who was suspected of being illegal immigrant could.

AB

Be questioned by a citizen unreported there was a huge outcry from the hispanic and asian.

AB

Communities they said no, this bill. This will lead to profiling. You aren't going to question the.

AB

European looking person you're going to question the brown person that proposition was ultimately.

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Deemed to be illegal, when I was at uc berkeley in the 1990s, the student newspaper would report on.

AB

Crime offenders, with a vague description of the perpetrator as six foot tall african-american.

AB

Male, the people complained to the newspaper that they were not helping to apprehend the suspects.

AB

With those vague descriptions, instead, they were causing harassment and fear, and division and.

AB

That's how I feel about sb 403 as an american. I have never felt so bothered by a legislation.

AB

So we know discrimination is covered by existing laws. Why do my third generation, american kids.

AB

Need to have the state stereotype them. I've been a doctor for over 20 years. The amazing.

AB

Thing about healthcare teams is our camaraderie. Every medical team I've served with has had at.

AB

Least two south asians discrimination has never come up. I can't find a good reason for labeling.

AB

A minority immigrant community in this way, I'm convinced that those people who think.

AB

This is right, have not thought it through the same way prop 187 was not thought through from.

AB

The perspective of a brown kid so senate bill, yes, b403, is built on false narratives and questionable.

AB

Data from equality labs that survey gave a zip code for people that are taking the survey to.

AB

Use as a zip code that they are from right, so it's a fraud data. The survey data submitted by.

AB

The proponents of the bill was dismissed by the judge in cisco case and the cisco case.

AB

Itself uh against the plaintiffs was dismissed as well. This is a dangerous and discriminatory.

AB

Bill targeting law-abiding american citizens of indian origin, the word caste, is equivalent to n.

AB

Word in the american african-american community: please don't impose that on us. I would like our.

AB

City water vote on a resolution opposing sb 403, as per the city attorney statement in the staff.

AB

Report, a simple majority vote is good enough to oppose the bill on our residents behalf. Thank you.

B

Thank you mooney. Next, we have progna shri, followed by archana shinde, followed by ale and ready.

B

Welcome progna, hello, my name is pragnashri and I'm here to talk.

AC

um As a concerned middle school student, um I urge the city council to consider harmful.

AC

Consequences of sp 403 and address the issues of hindu phobia as it will lead to unfair treatment.

AC

And discrimination against indian american students denying us equal protection under a.

AC

California, law children at a school will have hard time with other children when they are stereotyped.

AC

Based on their last names and religious symbols, thank you. Thank you. Next, we have our chana.

AD

Hi, I am archana and I'm here to strongly oppose the bill. Sb 403. I strongly stand against all.

AD

Kinds of discriminations, and I think that the current state law is already strong enough to.

AD

Prohibit all kinds of discriminations passing this bill will not be good in terms of fighting.

AD

Against discrimination, rather, it will only create confusion and it will open the doors wide open.

AD

To the ill forces behind this bill to execute their because agenda of dividing the community.

AD

And spreading hatred they want to start from the cta level, then go to the state level and then.

AD

Nationally, so um I definitely, it is definitely very harmful to our city, where people from various.

AD

Backgrounds and cultures are living in harmony from last so many decades. So as a hindu, I strongly.

AD

Believe that the goal of this bill is to lead unfair treatment and discrimination against indian.

AD

Americans saudia council members. I strongly urge you to not just oppose this bill at your level, but.

AD

To use your authority and right to the state to the policy makers to reject this bill. Thank you.

AE

Thank you, sir. You have called me before with money. Oh okay, you didn't you didn't.

B

Seize your time for him, he was four people standing, so I just gave some space: okay, okay,.

B

Yes, okay, followed by uh al-n, followed by jaresh toby, followed by pushpita prasadena.

AE

Two minutes: two minutes: oh yes, sir. Okay, two minutes, okay, here, yes,.

AE

Can I yes, okay, so uh thanks for the time I oppose completely the sb 403. uh I belong to.

AE

A three-person minority in india, uh it's a it's a frivolous bill and this is a tool that was.

AE

Perpetrated in the british india by british to just to divide and conquer and of course there.

AE

Was two just that carried on after it? And india is yet to reel out of it even till today and 24.

AE

Years in india, in a city cosmopolitan city in chennai, I have never heard this word cast.

AE

It it it's almost like nobody in any of the cosmopolitan cities in india. Never ever. I.

AE

Have friends my I am a son of a teacher: every year hundreds of students pass out from tutoring from.

AE

My mother, never ever we spoke or even thought about caste in india and 26 years in years. Four.

AE

States I have stayed not a single moment. I have this, has crossed my mind until equality labs.

AE

Brought it- and this is this- is an infliction of pain on all of us. I have two kids in the cupertino.

AE

Educational system, they have no idea about caste and their kids are not going to have any idea.

AE

About caste- and we are just doing things if, if history is an indicator, we are just doing things.

AE

For a lucrative later benefits, this is just a tip of the iceberg if you don't control it now. This is.

AE

Going to have a very bad domino effect and I chose u.s because it's a merit-based society and the.

AE

First, casualty in a caste is a merit and you have enough proof points you can go once they start.

AE

Applying it's a toxic tiger tail, even if you leave the hands off the tail, it's going to kill you.

AE

It's going to be fatal, so I I urgely. I urge this council members. Thank you. That is your time. Please.

AE

Oppose this bill: next, we have jaresh, followed by pushpita, followed by satish chandra welcome, dress,.

AF

Expected community leaders, I strongly oppose this bill of public bill and the usage of the word cast.

AF

In this we elected you as our community leaders and we request you to respect and then listen to.

AF

Our pain and our kids they're going to go through and suffer. You cannot stay neutral as this bill.

AF

Is going to hunt us demonically and then you know the cupertino community that has to that has voted.

AF

Elected you, as their leaders is quoted over here, is dismissed by the superior court as it's based.

AF

On the false acquisition and the fabricated data by equality labs, the baps case quoted.

AF

Here is melind, the artisans were forced to testify falsely in the court, so I request an urge you to.

AF

Oppose this bill and cause a resolution. Thank you. Thank you. Josh. Next we have push pita prasad.

B

Followed by satish chandra, followed by dr ramesh chopra welcome pushpita. Thank you for allowing me.

AG

To speak today, I there's a lot of wonderful points. I just want to make one new one: the position of.

AG

Privilege we heard it a lot today, but where does the privilege lie with the folks who can.

AG

Command op-eds and announce their resignation in washington, post new york times npr or the folks.

AG

Who have struggled for the last several years to get their voices heard and have drawn a true.

AG

Grassroots campaign begging, emailing and showing up in meetings. uh You know, 400 of us showed up.

AG

In sacramento senators acknowledged it was the largest turnout they had seen yet not a single.

AG

Mainstream media carried it so please consider, where is the privilege? Is it with folks like.

AG

Us who come from india as immigrants and are struggling to understand a complex system and.

AG

We are up against privilege, articulate activists or where exactly does this privilege lie and the.

AG

Accusation that only those who want to be castis are against this law. I would remind everybody of.

AG

The patriot act, which was defended in exactly the same terms, that only those who wanted to be you.

AG

Know wrecked terror would be against your time. In retrospect, we know that please wait. Next. We have.

B

Satish, followed by dr ramesh chopra, followed by sandeep dadash, okay, respected council members. My.

AH

Name is satish, I'm uh santa clara resident, so I'm I'm against all the discriminations and especially.

AH

uh Sb403 is the way it's classified is totally uh it's on call. So the reason why is senator wahab.

AH

Has mentioned that enforcement of the cost bill would be done by crd, the civil rights department.

AH

So hindu and indian americans, especially in the city of copenho cupertino, has zero faith in crd.

AH

In the past three years, the crd has openly colluded with anti-hindu and anti-semitic.

AH

Organization calling out indian americans has committing physical assault on rapes and thousands.

AH

Of dalit americans, without any any evidence or data, the the the the covers of co-workers of the.

AH

Cisco system, including residents of cupertino, were assigned cast by the crd day in the violation of.

AH

First, amendment rights and accused of importing the caste system without any you're muted, sir.

B

Next we have ramesh. I would like to give my thank you. Okay,.

B

Thank you go ahead! Three minutes! Yes, yes right! Yes, honorable mayor esteemed council, members staff, my.

AI

Fellow citizens, my name is ramesh jabra. I serve as the chairman of the federation of indo-americans.

AI

Of northern california, we have about 40 organizations as under the umbrella, and we totally.

AI

Oppose sb 403, and I would request you and strongly urge you to pass this resolution this evening.

AI

To condemn sb 403, because this is unnecessary. It's unjust and it's been thrusted upon us as.

AI

Hindu americans, south asian americans, as indian americans as asian americans, and it's totally.

AI

Profiling, us isolating us as well as targeting us and labeling us, as, as you heard earlier, as bigots.

AI

Racists, fascists and all kind of names, and we as a you know, we we never call ourselves targets out.

AI

There but unfortunately that's what they're making us do that and you heard our children here who are.

AI

Going to be affected the most- it's not only just us this bill, this word cast should not be even.

AI

There anymore, because this was trusted upon us, as you heard from the british colonists on in india.

AI

Just to divide and rule- and the same is being brought over here in america, which was never.

AI

Ruled by fortunately by those colonists- and we do not want this rule over here- this word over here.

AI

The cast, because this is going to hurt us it's going to hurt our children, our our grandchildren,.

AI

And everybody else out there in the schools in the universities and where they work. You heard from a.

AI

Doctor earlier- and I happen to be a cardiologist who I can definitely tell you- that it's going to.

AI

Affect our children, their mental health, as well as their physical health, they're going to be looking.

AI

For changing their last names, they're going to be looking at doing some something different. This is.

AI

Absolutely unacceptable, and I would definitely urge you to do that. You know this thing happened.

AI

In the senate we have talked to many senators assembly, men out there and the understanding.

AI

They say well you're, coming a little bit too late, but let's start from the grassroots right here. I.

AI

Think uh and the city level uh you're representing citizens over here, the residents over here you.

AI

Heard from a lot of residents who definitely oppose it, and especially in the in the schools.

AI

Over here, where they're teaching this caste system, which is absolutely unacceptable- that we should.

AI

Not have this kind of these kind of words, and these kind of teachings being done over here and.

AI

In cisco absolutely was thrown out recently last week, babs and I happened to be part of one of the.

AI

Temples also, there also they're trying to say: okay, the some of the brahmanas, the mistreated some of.

AI

Those labors over there, which was totally totally wrong. Please help us out and condemn it. Thank you.

B

Followed by jennifer griffin.

B

It's uh kendall sing and jennifer griffin, okay,.

B

AJ

You're gonna take one minute from him: okay, did you have a card submitted, but.

AH

Yeah, I'm sorry what was that? Okay! Thank you. Thank you. Honorable council members, mayor.

AJ

And attorney andy staff. I'm really thankful to give us a time over here to express our.

AJ

Sport I expressed my sport for sb 403. Why am supporting this bill.

AJ

Because my daughter and my son, born raised here, they've been discriminated based on the cost.

AJ

On the top of it in the senator, they passed this bill with the boating 34 1., and then they.

AJ

Went to the judicial committee of the assembly, they pass eleven to zero. Now it's going to be.

AJ

Appropriate committee, and after that they will, there will be voting on the assembly members in.

AJ

The same second floor, this bill. I urge you guys, please all the american civil liberation cities.

AJ

California, labor federation and other other civil rights organization, please I urge you.

AJ

To listen to them, engage with them first before you pass this bill.

AJ

This bill is the remedy is a panacea for the ills of thousand californian who.

AJ

Suffer from cost basis who suffer from the cost discrimination. If that woman, asha bahub is muslim.

AJ

Eliminating any senator has the right to introduce the bill if the bill is right.

AJ

To my understanding, the bill is right because it has been passed to senator.

AJ

It has been passed to the judicial committee of the assembly and is going through and all.

AJ

The organization or organization unions, labor federations, sir, thank you very much.

B

Next, we have sandeep dadaj uh sandy pair no okay, jennifer griffin, followed by mahal tube.

B

Followed by aditya dead, followed by gargi dead.

C

Kirsten, I believe, uh miss griffin indicated that she does not know. I wish to speak. Thank you so.

B

Hi there, what is your name? Aditya? Okay, thank you, aditya no test b403, and I want uh peace for all.

AK

B

Hey, what is your name? Okay? um I say no to sb403.

AL

Please make this bill not pass.

B

Okay, thank you so tube.

B

Okay, archana shinde.

B

You already spoke, you, you see, okay, so our okay, uh pankuri merotra.

B

AL

Welcome hi, my name isra and I and as a high school student, it's concerning to watch the.

AL

Harmful consequences of sb 403 and the issues of hindu phobia, this will lead to unfair treatment.

AL

And discrimination against indian american teenagers denying us equal protection under.

AL

California law: I urge the city council to reject sb 403. I feel anyone who is here in this country.

AL

On merit will not meet this bill. Thank you. Thank you. Next, I believe vidya said the ramen already.

B

Seated time or yes, okay, welcome, followed by yagni, followed by san giovanni, oh yeah,.

AM

Oh, you see the time. Okay, yes, okay, okay,.

B

Followed by san giovanni, followed by milan.

AN

Gandhi, yagni yeah yeah. Yes, you have one minute. Thank you one minute. Yes, yes, okay! Thank you.

AN

Good evening, everyone, council members so um gandhi living in cupertino for the last 23 years.

AN

For last 23 years, I'm living in cupertino, my kids graduated from cooperton high school. I work in.

AN

Cisco systems for last 23 years- I am completing 23 years next month and I worked in different views.

AN

Of the cisco, so someone brought up that bill is posted in judiciary and senate is all based on.

AN

The false data and service, with no knowledge of this data to senators, why there is a need to keep.

AN

Modifying the bill it almost modified four or five times. That means this bill is no eyes. No clarity.

AN

And position so because of that, I request all of you to use your knowledge and common sense and.

AN

Say no to this bill. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next is sanjivani dead. Here I was young me yogini.

AO

And sanjeevi okay, so he was not okay, so okay, so you're, yagni, yeah, okay and yes, please go ahead.

AP

As a concerned, high schooler, I asked the council to put their thinking caps on and realize the.

AP

Havoc in hindu phobia, sp 403 will inevitably lead to. It will unleash unfair treatment and.

AP

Discrimination in the name of equal protection, which is already guaranteed under the law. Thank.

AP

You thank you and I'm sorry. What was your name uh you're behind you accidentally? Okay, yes, go ahead.

AQ

um I'm a sophomore, and I want the city council to think about the harmful consequences of sb403.

AQ

This bill will not only lead to discrimination and hinthophobia, but.

AQ

It will also on create unnecessary and negative tension in society. I.

AQ

Request you to please oppose and pass the resolution to oppose sp.

AQ

403 and write to the state policymakers to reject sb403. Thank you. Thank you and.

AQ

I see the remaining time to melanie.

B

uh That is at the mayor's discretion, and- and she is not allowing that everybody.

A

Go on one minute or if you don't use the time you don't use it. Sorry, that's fine.

AO

Hello, my name is milind. So, uh okay, yes, sorry, my name is milind. I am a.

AO

Cupertino school district taxpayer- I am from the marginalized community and I am a proud hindu.

AO

So whoever is claiming here to represent us but ignoring hindus are talking about us without us.

AO

So what I would like to say is looks can be deceiving.

AO

Just like having a disco ball on a monday morning,.

AO

When, if you look at the proposed resolution, sb 403 and if you peel off the shiny exterior what.

AO

You will find inside is a costume party of hidden racial discrimination and hindu phobia for asian.

AO

Indians, I urge the city council to vote no on sb, 403 and dance our way to fairness. Thank you. Thank.

B

You next, we have persona followed by ballet ball. Gender singh, followed by maren murphy.

AH

Myself, so there are people that want to see their time to me because.

H

We were found out about we found out about the rules order. Please.

H

For the sake of time, okay- let's I so so this is unfair because you're, basically I haven't said.

A

Anything yet I am going to allow that so um please do uh speak up and let's I am going to allow that.

A

So, whose turn is that now.

B

uh Prasanna, so excuse me, people who, in who interrupt speakers, are going to be asked to leave.

A

So I am going to allow that if you want to speak and somebody.

A

Want to see time to you, I would I will allow that.

B

And so who are the I'm sorry? What was your name.

B

Thank you, okay and, and I don't know your name, my name is fenori, um sounder rajan. So the whole.

H

Premise of this meeting was supposed to start off with respect, but you set up a dynamic where.

H

Oppressed people that are braving bigotry and violence are being forced to speak about the truth.

H

Of cast discrimination and face hours of denial of caste, there have been many people who have.

H

Targeted equality, labs, the dullet civil rights organization, my organization, I just want to share.

H

With you, the data that is being denied one in four people who are cast oppressed are facing physical.

H

And verbal assault, one in three educational discrimination and two out of three workplace.

H

Discrimination as I speak, people are hissing behind me. They are making fun of dullets that.

H

Are speaking out about this issue think about what you would do if you had a queer person in front.

H

Of you and you had homophobes laughing and saying that homophobia did not exist. Think about what you.

H

Would do when you had young black girls going to school for the first time in facing white families.

H

Who would not allow them to go into school? This is the fault line of civil rights. You are at as.

H

A city of cupertino, you can't suppressed people, want a remedy for description. Thank you. You've.

B

Been muted, you've been muted. Thank you, mayor, mayor um acoustic might have been saying the same thing.

C

I think we've reached an hour. I would recommend adding uh maybe five minutes because of some of.

C

The procedural things I was just going to say that so so, maybe another how many cars do we have left.

B

uh A lot what much more okay, so we have five more minutes and we're gonna run.

A

um As as long as um the minute, so until 9 30 7. all right, so let's continue. Okay, so is persona.

B

Available persona martha rada, marthy, hello, everybody- this is prasanna and a very proud.

AR

Ex cupertino citizen for many many years my kids graduated from cupertino schools.

AR

uh And I stand here to to request you to oppose sb 403 a lot of fear-mongering and an attempt.

AR

To spread the hatred amongst the community is happening here, and I urge you to do the right.

AR

Thing and reject sb 403. Thank you. Thank you. Next we have, I think it's mar maraju murthy.

B

Followed by radamarthy, followed by mahesh, pakala yeah, um hello, all the council members, I'm here.

AS

To strongly oppose uh sb 403, this bill is a racist, discriminatory and divisive uh bill. It.

AS

Unfairly maligns targets and racially profiles, the hindu american community. It is actually an.

AS

Unconstitutional blatantly discriminatory bill that singles out and racially profiles, people this.

AS

Bill will divide the hindus exactly the way the colonial role did. The word already comes from the.

AS

Portuguese word costa, so it's not even an indian or origin word. It propagates, harmful and false.

AS

Narratives that cash discrimination is inherent in hindu teachings, which is so false and offensive.

AS

Characterization see this discrimination. Cash discrimination was uh outlawed in india, 70 years.

AS

Ago it comes from all hindu americans here, come from all backgrounds, ethnicities and social strata.

AS

This bill will promote dangerous stereotyping and scrutinize an entire community. Thank you. That is.

B

Your time next we have radha murthy, followed by mahesh pakala, followed by vinad kumar.

B

Welcome good evening, I'm here to oppose california's senate bill 403, which would unfairly.

AT

Target and discriminate against hindu americans in california. It has taken centuries and sacrifices.

AT

From people to remove caste discrimination instead of moving forwards, we should not go backwards.

AT

Defeating the whole purpose and intention of those people sacrifices of those people to go in vain.

AT

Please spare our children the future to make this world more beautiful, with love and not make it.

AT

Ugly with hate and discrimination, this bill goes against the very values of exclusion and.

AT

Religious freedom, freedom that california strives, for so say no to 403. Thank you. Thank you. Next, we.

B

Have mahesh followed by vinod kumar, followed by and she is giving me her. What was your name.

AU

Thank you city, council members. I had a long speech but I'll try to cut it short again.

AU

So the evolution of slavery in the 19th century was a hard-fought victory against.

AU

Her inherently unjust system that deprived millions of people of their basic human.

AU

Rights and dignity, it took tremendous effort and activism over decades to finally enshine.

AU

Into law, the self-evident truth that all people, regardless of race, deserve freedom.

AU

This sb403 today targets the hindu americans community unfairly. Hindu teachings do not.

AU

Justify or encourage god's discrimination, in fact, hinduism upholds the inherent equality and divine.

AU

Nature of all people, the bill, propagates, false stereotypes about an entire group passing sb 403.

AU

Would be taken to falsely accusing the christian community of inherently discriminating against.

AU

Women, just because historically, some churches did not allow female leadership falsely ascribing to.

AU

The entire community or belief system is dangerous, just based on on one particular california, senator.

AU

With melee's intent statement, who has assured that all her colleagues are complicit in the.

AU

Crime of discrimination against hindu americans and I think they are going to realize what they.

AU

Have done and they'll be draw this as well, just as the ebola abolitionist fought to end legalized.

AU

Slavery in america, hindu americans today strive to dispel false narratives about their community.

AU

And faith, I urge you to stand on the right side of history, just as the abolitionist did by opposing.

AU

Sb 403 and it's a discriminatory premise. Truth and religious freedom must prevail over harmful.

AU

Stereotypes like one high schooler said just before me cast belongs to the history books, not.

AU

To the law, books and I'm sure all of you will do the right thing and thank you again for the time.

B

B

This will be the last two speakers, but we're gonna go to zoom. If the zoomers don't finish.

A

Their 30 minutes will come back and use the time. So let's have them. Excuse me, you haven't.

C

Been recognized, please please sit down. Excuse me, please sit down or you'll be asked to leave.

AM

Yes, before I start my timer, I want to say so one thing please: uh we just need to talk about.

B

It is two minutes right. Yes, two minutes. Okay, video, please set the timer at two minutes. It's not good.

AM

Okay, so this bill is not profiling or against anybody. You guys all are very responsible and.

AM

Educated people, you guys, have seen the process of what happened in all the state in the process of.

AM

Senators, how it pass, introduces senator committee heart passing center bill and how it passed into.

AM

In a judiciary, assembly committee all passed unanimously, the people who never experience who.

AM

Doesn't know the cast hindu people they never discriminate, they never feel experience of the.

AM

Caste discrimination, because this never happened to those people. But the people who have been.

AM

Discriminated is the state responsibilities you guys responsibility to protect everybody in the.

AM

State all over the place, so we just find out about this meeting agenda meeting yesterday evening.

AM

That's why we just find out. We have few people right here, otherwise we should have.

AM

Been a lot of people right here, so I would I'm my chairperson of one of the big organization in bay.

AM

Area, california, and also I represent other five temples- gurudas temples in the california, on top.

AM

Of that I also represent 46 temple, who never get a chance to come right here today, but they are. I.

AM

Will representing them them too cast is a ugly disease which come in the people in the genes.

AM

Which they cannot live wherever they came from, so they continue discriminating. They continue.

AM

Use the policy right here, otherwise the cisco case was not gonna come the people are saying.

AM

Okay, it's already kind of you know dismissed case, it's not it's still. The state is still.

AM

After cisco and all all the companies, facebook, cisco, google's salesforce, why they already start.

AM

Implementing the cost policy because they do experience everybody responsibility that no one.

AM

Should be discriminated, not even a single person should be discriminated for anything same thing.

AM

No one should be discriminated on the base of caste. You guys all should make a proper.

AM

Call support sp 403. Thank you. Thank you. um I really want to comment our city clerk.

A

Who are doing a fabulous job? Thank you so much okay, well that we can give her a plot.

A

So we're going to go to the zoomers for 30 minutes and if they don't finish this 30 minutes.

A

We'll come back to the rumors okay, so, let's start with the zoom cause and it's 9 40, so we're gonna.

A

Go to 10 10., okay, uh we will start with bye-bye saying, followed by robbie dante up. We just lost.

B

Goodbye so now ravi dante, followed by mccool's involved, followed by rajan desai, welcome ravi.

AV

uh Hello, I'm ravi dante. Thank you. Honorable council members, I'm a u.s.

AV

Citizen and cupertino resident for the past 20 plus years, and I am strongly opposed to sp 403.

AV

I have worked in small to big multinational firms in the bay area for the last 35 years.

AV

In my daily meetings, gathering with my co-workers, friends, not even a single instances of cash was.

AV

Seen or mentioned, I'm super offended and victimized by csp403 bill. Bringing this.

AV

Cash based on pill upon us without a single spirit of evidence, proof this hindu phobia.

AV

Created by avaha-based bill, which targeted at dividing our unified hindu community.

AV

We left behind a cast monster back in india when we all migrated to free america, so our kids and.

AV

Future generation will be affected with this still strongly opposite, and I request you to oppose this.

AV

Bill also, thank you. Thank you ravi. Next, we have followed by ranjan desai welcome nicole.

AW

Yes, good evening respected mayor and council members, this is mukul silval from fremont.

AW

California, I spent first 23 years of my life in india and after that I have been in u.s for.

AW

More than 30 years spent time on the west coast maryland virginia new jersey, new york and now.

AW

In california, never ever in my life, I have come across any cause: discrimination issues.

AW

I do not ask my friends and colleagues what their cost is and they do not ask me what my cost is.

AW

So this cast discrimination story is totally fabricated.

AW

By vested interest square added by equality, labs, which is a known hindu head group, spreading lies.

AW

Against hindus, hindu americans are very successful in america and especially in.

AW

Silicon valley and these people are just trying to malign them and divide them. We will not let.

AW

This happen for us for our children and our grandchildren's children. Thank you.

B

Thank you. Next, we have ranjan desai, followed by aram james, followed by probably welcome ranjan.

AX

Thank all the members for expressing their concern against the sba 403, I'm totally against this.

AX

Before three- and I think, uh jr and hungway have uh you know, I hope they have done their homework.

AX

And the due diligence- and this I think the other three constant members are are aware of that looks.

AX

Like but I hope all of you uh oppose this bill unitedly without any division, and this uh task is.

AX

Not at all a word in the hindu religion at all and those people who have been talking about this I've.

AX

Heard about those people that you know all these equality, labs and all they're all just misguided.

AX

And you know this is not the right thing to do at all. They should go home and do some new work.

AX

In there you know and then get back to normal self, and you know talk about it all right. uh Thank you.

AX

Guys- and I hope you totally uh denounced this and say no to this as before united. Thank you.

B

Thank you. Next, we have ram pal by veena, followed by nitya, welcome aram.

AY

Yes, I'm asking you to support 403, um it's the the hindu nationalism. Movement has a whole lot.

AY

More power, like I'm a jew, and I know I know the right wing zionist movement, same thing, they're.

AY

Trying to silence a conversation about the attack on the palestinian people. Here we have.

AY

Tons of money with the hindu nationalists want to prevent a bill that makes all the sense in.

AY

The world, if people are discriminating against the hindus, this bill, the unruh civil rights.

AY

Bill would prevent discrimination against hindus, so why they're taking this position.

AY

Makes no sense at all I've read past uh by isabelle wilkerson and I've also read portions of.

AY

Caste matters by adalit caller. We must prevent the discrimination against the dollars in this country.

AY

That is running wild and I ask you please: please support sb 403 critical, that you do that. Do the.

B

Right thing, thank you. Next, we have vena, followed by nitya, followed by prabhakar, welcome vina.

AZ

Hi, uh I'm veena and I strongly support sb4.p america is the land of equality and equal.

AZ

Opportunities and california has always been at the forefront of civil rights protection.

AZ

This bill clearly explains cass and why it's an oppressive system, probably passing this bill.

AZ

Will also educate the many people and their children here who claim to have never heard.

AZ

Of cass, or you know, claim that it's already protected and banned, but this bill is about.

AZ

Having explicit legal safeguards to protect against discriminatory practices uh in areas.

AZ

Of employment and housing, and that, in my opinion, does not divide people, but it protects the rights.

AZ

Of those that truly deserve it, I strongly urge that pupertino city, council and respected council.

AZ

Members to strongly support sb 403 and make cash discrimination illegal in california. In no.

AZ

Uncertain terms and set a leading example to the rest of the nation. Thank you very much. Thank you.

B

Followed by prabhakar welcome nitya hi as a person born into the dominant cast and who migrated here.

BA

To california, in my 20s, I've been privy to con conversations that are discriminatory nature.

BA

Such as, when an acquaintance from my past, who works as a nanny, felt the need to add that she.

BA

Only chooses support our people and court to work for I've also seen a catering service in.

BA

The sf bay area, promising muddy sapada that is ritually pure food, which, amongst other.

BA

Things means that it hasn't been defiled by the touch or even the glance of a person from the.

BA

Depressed gas these show that past this employment discrimination exists here in ca based on cast.

BA

I also want to address the argument by the opposite opposition that they don't want to.

BA

Teach their children about past. This is the same argument that the right wing makes the banned.

BA

Books about slavery in the deep south because it makes their children uncomfortable, so I urge the.

BA

City council to support sbi thank unity. There is your time. Next we have prabhakar welcome prabhakar.

B

You'll need to unmute yourself, prabhakar.

AB

Hello hi, my name is bay area resident for more than 25 years, including cupertino, and I strongly.

AB

Oppose sb40p bill as it violates civil rights of indian american community by stereotyping us a lot.

AB

Has been said, you know a lot. Data points have been discussed shared against this bill. I would like to.

AB

Add one more to that list. The people who claim to be the leaders of organizations like equality, labs.

AB

They have been caught on camera, with the speech of hatred against in the community and those.

AB

Videos will be shared with the council members in the due course of time, so I would request you to.

AB

Listen to those videos watch those videos to understand a real intention behind this bill.

AB

um It you know versus what being said on the face of it. So again, I oppose this.

AB

Bill as before, and my name is mangesh, thank you. Thank you and we're having some issues.

B

With prabhakar, I will try one more time to allow you to talk. Please unmute yourself.

B

Okay, I will move on to ravi kiran singh, followed by ben kyla, followed by padma tanaru welcome ravi.

B

And robbie you will need to unmute yourself.

B

Okay, we may be having some issues, then let me try ben kyla hi. This is ravi.

B

uh Okay, uh ravi! Yes, just one! Yes go ahead! Please robbie! Hi! uh Dear mayor roy vice mayor.

BB

Mohan and city council, uh this is ravi, I mean u.s, citizen, cupertino resident uh and the bay.

BB

Area, it's been for close to 20 years and uh I'm a hindu, and I urge you to oppose uh california.

BB

Senate bill 403, which would unfairly target and discriminate against hindu americans in california.

BB

This bill claims to promote religious freedom and tolerance. However, it does the opposite by singling.

BB

Out the hindu american community, uh I thought when I left india and moved here. uh I won't hear this.

BB

Wordcast- and I feel this is totally unnecessary uh so rather than bringing the people together.

BB

This bill would promote a dangerous story, stereotyping and, um and just please scrutinize.

BB

The entire community, I urge you to stand up against discrimination by opposing sb 403.

BB

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, robbie, and I will try ben kyla.

B

Ben welcome hello, hello. This is ben kayla. uh I am a resident of california for the last 23 years.

BC

And I am a social worker as well as a non-profit president test is a reality. You have to understand.

BC

That we came here with an intention to live a good life here, but after coming here we experienced the.

BC

Day in and day out, you have to understand: don't please don't go by the number go by the truth.

BC

What we are saying is from our hearts. What we experience, try to understand it and help us make.

BC

Your city, the one, the first city in california, that stood in the in the history, make a history.

BC

By supporting this field, please please please, we are the list. We experience all through our.

BC

Life- we don't want to experience here in america also. That is not the reason we came here. We run.

BC

Away from india, for here from here escape the cash discrimination, please help us. Thank you. Thank you.

B

Ben next, we have follow followed by our channel panda, followed by anumada mandavali welcome pasma.

B

Padma you'll need to unmute yourself.

B

Okay, we will come back to oh, we lost padma, okay, so um our chana panda welcome.

BD

Hello, everybody. This is archana panda. I am a president of cupertino, I'm a library, commissioner.

BD

And I strongly oppose this bill. I thank sangeeta shankar for giving me her time, so I have at least.

BD

For two minutes to speak, my poem and my emotions in form of a poem american hindus are content.

BD

Mature and silent, we never hurt anyone. We are utterly non-violent. Perhaps that's why people take.

BD

Us easy: we trust everyone. We work hard. We are busy when we are bringing the world together with our.

BD

Heart, why why are some hindu phobics dividing our family in part caste is passed in india? It's not.

BD

Present here, then, why in america are you making it a future dear? I must resident of cupertino for.

BD

Last 20 years, we'll speak what is good for this land? Our step today defines our tomorrow, where.

BD

We move depends on where we stand so today I pray to judy before it gets too late. I oppose this bill.

BD

Please do not discriminate. Yes, I strongly oppose this bill. Please do not discriminate. Thank you.

B

Thank you archana. uh Next, we have anu mandavali, welcome, anu.

BE

Can you hear me yes, thank you. My name is anu mandavali and I'm here to ask the city council.

BE

To support sb 403, and I would like to explain why existing laws do not address cause discrimination.

BE

Cost is a made-up category. There is no biological basis to cast. Therefore, when you put caste under.

BE

The category of ancestry, it does not adequately explain it caste is not. Biological ancestry is.

BE

Biological, therefore, you need to trade cars in its own category and it is not okay. To put it.

BE

Under ancestry, the second thing I wanted to say, dr city council, is please do not be swayed by.

BE

All these people, who are saying they never heard of god's discrimination, it's exactly like white.

BE

People saying that they never experience racism. Yes, of course they would not have experienced.

BE

Racism or it's like uh somebody else saying that they have never experienced anti-asian hate unless.

BE

You're asian, you will not experience anti-asian hate. Please do not listen to these people. That's.

B

Your time next, we have satya pradhan, followed by dilip amin, followed by sadeep k, welcome satya.

B

You'll need to unmute yourself. There we go yes yeah. This is uh satya pradhan. I believe in hayward.

BF

In the constituency of asawahar, when I heard about, I was kind of taken back and felt so betrayed and.

BF

Started reading about this bill and learn about this, there are a couple of things I would like to.

BF

Point out here, one is about the accuracy of the information they rely on for this bill, and I was.

BF

An ex cisco employee for 14 years, and if we look at the case, some people claim that the case is.

BF

There but the civil right division has withdrawn the case against the two managers, and that is a.

BF

Fact, and we can clearly check the other point I would like to bring up is the intention behind.

BF

This bill, if we look at the number of changes that has gone through in the bill chatting with caste.

BF

As a separate category, and now it is a explanation or description under some other categories, we.

BF

Clearly see the intention, please oppose this bill. Thank you. Next, we have dilip amin, welcome to leap.

BG

ah Hi, this is dilip, I mean uh seems like maybe it's funny, but the bill is equality against.

BG

The rest of the hindus- and you should know that equality lab is the private corporation.

BG

And if this bill passes equality left will gain maximum financially. That's some truth.

BG

To keep in mind now uh this, we even without this task bill uh this discourse case was.

BG

uh Into the uh what this was file, what I mean to say that there is no need for this bill. It.

BG

Is already discriminated past, discrimination is already covered only objective of this past.

BG

uh Put it in the password is to defame the hindu hinduism, because any elementary schools are middle.

BG

Schools, their thing cost is equal to hinduism. Thus, this bill is the not specially neutral. It is.

BG

An anti-hindu bill remove the world task and keep the bill as you want it. Thank you very much. Thank.

B

You next we have sandeep k, followed by pawan kumar, followed by anil ravine, welcome sandeep.

BH

Hello to my favorite favorite council members, my name is sandeep and I wanted to let you know.

BH

That I have faced task discrimination in the state of california by oppressors who actually.

BH

Do not live much far away from vero meeting tonight about 15 minutes from your office.

BH

Cost discrimination is a is a sad reality and when I came to the u.s, I never thought that this cost.

BH

Is mindset that people from south asia migrate to will bring it here? There are bigots before me who.

BH

Who said that cost discrimination stories are made up? They sound exactly like the bigots who.

BH

Opposed laws to bend racial discrimination in this country in the 60s and even to this day and cost.

BH

Discrimination for people like me is a reality and we face it every day and it's your obligation to.

BH

Correct that and protect people in minority like me, because you do not want to be in the wrong.

BH

Side of history, thank you. I urge you to support sb403. Thank you. Next, we have pawan kumar, welcome.

BI

Hi, my name is: can you hear me? Yes, we can yeah I'm from sacramento uh my zip code 95829. So.

BI

I strongly support sb 403. So, as you know, that's before please passed in uh judiciary committee.

BI

And senator already so there were the number of opposition to uh too much than our numbers.

BI

So I think I'm seeing on the zoom, so number of oppositions are too much in the room there. So.

BI

I believe that uh the console members will not go on the numbers. They will go on the right side of.

BI

The numbers know the quantity of the numbers, so please prosper, sb 403. So if we know before that.

BI

As before, uh uh talk papatino city council meeting is going to those which should be like then, like.

BI

Five five numbers of more than the opposition. We should be full of house there, but.

BI

But we got lately so strongly. Thank you. That's your time. Next we have anil ravine, followed.

B

By satishma hashan, followed by carmel, jeet and yeah you'll need there. We go you're unmuted now.

BJ

Yeah hi, this is punit, I'm speaking for my dad anil hello, honorable mayor and council members.

BJ

I strongly oppose to sb403. I am an incoming 7th grader at cupertino middle school in school. Many.

BJ

Kids, including myself, are taught about cast, yet it is very misleading because of the history books.

BJ

And curriculum, for example, ages, are told to inform students about what jobs and ranks each cast has.

BJ

Why is the world putting this word into so much hate after all? I have never heard this word coming.

BJ

Out of anyone's mouth in the u.s expressing hate because of this deceptive information about past.

BJ

Many kids in my school associate hindu-american brown kids like me towards this caste system.

BJ

This build promises, discrimination between cast to abolition; it will only create a more hindophobia.

BJ

If this bill is passed, not only will the emphasis on false past information amplified will ruin the.

BJ

Coming generation when it comes to relationship justice and teachings, this will also lead to.

BJ

Bullying extortion and become tough for businesses to operate in california and talent exodus. Thank.

BJ

Thank you for the opportunity. Thank you. Next we have satish mahajan, welcome, satish.

BK

Respected members, thanks for the opportunity good evening to you, this is satish mahajan, u.s, citizen.

BK

I'm living in bay area for last, more than 20 years, liberty in multiple cities worked in multiple.

BK

Cities in bay area currently living in san jose, so I'm a techie software engineer right now. I do.

BK

Have my startup, which I started a couple of years back now, I'm in a position to hire higher the new.

BK

Employees and while hiring the employees, do you want me to consider the person based on his or.

BK

Hers cast instead of considering their merit. You will certainly say no right, so I don't agree with.

BK

This sb 403 bill you there are multiple people who are bringing up the cisco cisco case. Think.

BK

About a situation from a business, a businessman's perspective that if somebody brings up cost and.

BK

I have to decide based on the cast, then what I will do. I will not even consider the cost while.

BK

My hiring criteria right, one second and most important point- is that I'm looking for office.

BK

Space and cupertino is in my list and now it's on your decision. I will decide whether I want to come.

BK

Into cupertino, or I want to ignore thanks. That is your time. Next we have kamaljit welcome hi. There.

BL

um Good evening, honorable mayor council, member and staff, I'm supporting sb403 and I urge the.

BL

City of cupertino to vote to support this bill as print this bill does not hurt anyone. It protects.

BL

Everyone, including you me and thousands of others, so the council member panelists, should only vote.

BL

On this, after meeting with all these stakeholders, especially the civil rights organization, working.

BL

On this issue, I urge the city to support civil rights and not let disinformation and by actually.

BL

Derail divides of all the only people. Sb 403 impacts are those that discriminate. Please.

BL

Stand on the right side of history and vote to support sb 403 history will remember your.

BL

Choice to support or obscra for most vulnerable in california support for sb 403. Thank you. Thank you.

B

Next, we have normal aka robbie singh, followed by rohit sharma, followed by rt desai, welcome normal.

BM

Respectable council members and mayor I'm, dr singh, I am working I'm a working physician, I'm.

BM

South asian sick from punjab, india, my in-laws are hindus. We both are in support of acid 403.

BM

I have faced as a physician discriminating attitude from a dominant cash physician at.

BM

My workplace, cash discrimination is a mental torture and this is a historic bill to end.

BM

The castaway discrimination in california, the opponents are the same people who spread false.

BM

Propaganda back in india, despite hundreds of daily atrocities against the dollars- and this is.

BM

Happening these days and they're the same people they're doing the same thing in the u.s as well.

BM

Please do not fall for it. This is same like saying a white person saying that they have not faced.

BM

Racism, so it does not exist, I'm so sad to see how opponents are terrorizing their kids here, who will.

BM

Be discriminating our young kids in future, and I wonder also why city has to take a position on.

BM

The bill that has passed thank you. That is your time. Next we have rohit sharma, welcome, rohit.

BN

The dear council, members and mayors, thank you very much for giving us an opportunity to speak.

BN

On this uh critical topic for us, especially for hindus, I would urge you uh to pass a resolution.

BN

Saying this is a wrong bill. Incorrect bill, which is based on the false information, false data, I'll.

BN

Repeat some numbers, which one of our speakers said one out of four two out of four three out.

BN

Of four, this figures looks pretty good, but let me give you another figure: two power of.

BN

Two two cases: one against cisco, one against both rejected uh and crashed the uh the survey that was.

BN

Done by this particular organization, I don't even call the name, but this this. The the survey that.

BN

Was done that was completely based on the false information, so the the the numbers that we have.

BN

To keep in mind is two out of two: when we talk about standing on the right side of the history.

BN

What do we mean? Do we want to stand with this fact, or do we want to stand with the false information.

BN

So, dear council member, we and uh mayor, we have to make the judgment here. Thank you. Thank you.

B

Next, we have arti desai, followed by followed by param disciple by sema linscock welcome rt.

BO

uh Good evening, council members, I am a proud citizen and resident of cupertino uh our I.

BO

Believe that our constitution and our law already treats everyone equally and protects us uh so.

BO

um I don't see the point in this uh bill. I.

BO

um I don't want my future generations to be discriminated against, based on their ancestry.

BO

Please vote no on sb 403 and uh thank you for your time. Thank you. Next we have param desire. Welcome.

AK

Yes, I uh thank you honorable council members, for taking this. I oppose sp.

AK

403 earlier, one of the supporters of this bill said passes in the genes. How unscientific and.

AK

Frivolous is that plane. One of the another supporters said task is not biological.

AK

The supporters of this bill self contradict themselves among themselves.

AK

Point number two: this bill makes a claim about inherited status. I want to ask every american.

AK

Every californian and the council who in america has inherited status, we're all hard-working.

AK

People working on the basis of our hard work and merit. There is no cash discrimination anywhere in.

AK

California or america, so please do the right thing. Please oppose sp 403. I have two little.

AK

Kids, going in in cupertino school district right now and they say, is bullying because.

AK

Hinduism and cats are associated in your text. Please do the right thing oppose sb 403 thank.

AK

You thank you. Next, we have similand's cockpot by manish dear, followed by jagan borelli welcome sema.

BP

Hi there there expected mayor way vice merch, mohan and council members. Thank you for allowing me the.

BP

Time to speak today on this important topic, I'm a commissioner on the city's planning commission.

BP

But today, I'm speaking always myself, whatever the good intentions of the author of sv43r, the.

BP

Impact of the bill will be devastating. The south asian community sp43 is deeply flawed. It assumes.

BP

That south asians are likely to be racist and discriminatory simply because of our ethnicity.

BP

In doing so, it is itself racist and discriminatory towards california's south asian population. It's.

BP

Important to acknowledge the real harm this bill could do. However, it's also important to.

BP

Listen to and respect lived experiences of the south asians to support the bill.

BP

This is not a city issue. This is a state level bill it'll, be debated inside of the state level.

BP

Even though has a recognized complexity of the issue and said that the bill should be paused.

BP

Until the issue can be studied further, I support that approach at the city level. I appreciate.

BP

Everything you do for south america, south asian american population. Thank you sima. That is your.

B

Time next we have manish deo, followed by jagan borelli, followed by musa, tariq welcome manish.

BQ

Yes, thank you very much for the time this evening my name is manish. Dev I've been in the bay area.

BQ

For almost 25 years- and I'm here today since I'm very concerned that sb 403, as we have heard from.

BQ

A lot of other speakers today is a deeply flawed bill, motivated by everything, but the facts on the.

BQ

Ground is bill, as we've seen is already tearing the communities apart, this will discriminate and.

BQ

Even racially target many hard-working and law abiding minority communities here, particularly.

BQ

The hindi community, I ask you to put on your common sense hat here. Looking at the unanimous.

BQ

Support against us before retreat and vote against, sb 403. Thank you again for the time this evening.

B

Thank you. Next, we have jagan borelli, welcome.

L

I'm in san jose, uh not too far from um I've, been in this country for 45 years.

L

And two of my kids are in mid 30s that they don't know what the cast is.

L

My son is married for 12 years. I don't know my daughter-in-law's class at unless.

L

These propositions make me.

L

Reveal her cast and and talk to her, I have five grandchildren and I'm very much worried about.

L

Their future and what it is going to do- or I can say, is the equality labs. It gave a great speech.

L

As you push, you shouldn't be allowed to come and speak here. um I urge cupertino to write to.

L

The assembly and uh it's our business. Thank you. Thank you. Next, we have musa tariq, welcome musa.

C

Mayor we are, we are at uh it'll, be the last one yeah. Thank you. Yes, okay, perfect hello. Honorable.

BR

Mayor and city council, I hope you are all well, I'm speaking on behalf of the san francisco bay.

BR

Area chapter of care, the council of american islamic relations, which is the oldest office.

BR

Of the nation's largest american muslim civil rights organizations, we urge you to support the.

BR

Addition of cast as a protected category in the city of cupertino's anti-discrimination, ordinance.

BR

This would make cupertino one of the first cities in california to sb 403 and would end.

BR

Cast discrimination in our state, while california has been a leader in companion, discrimination, the.

BR

Historical discrimination faced by immigrants and their descendants has often been overlooked.

BR

That discrimination has become more present in the workplace and schools and more as a state.

BR

We must act when targeted communities uproot their lives and seek refuge in california. In.

BR

The pursuit of equality and that's exactly what this bill does by adding cast as a protected.

BR

Category you would be sending a clear message that cupertino values, diversity, inclusion and.

BR

Equity for all its residents and workers, it would also be aligned with the position.

BR

Of numerous civil rights organizations such as the aclu san francisco lawyers committee, south.

BR

Asian bar association, american asian american bar association and asian law caucus and our.

BR

Own organization, who have all endorsed this bill and recognize cass as a crucial foreign.

A

So, um thank you, madam cd clerk again and we're going to conclude the rumor. The zoomers.

A

um Session two: I want to thank everyone for your passion and also for your time.

A

Spending here there were a few moments of emotions, but uh we all like got back to.

A

Really good behavior, so thank you so much. I want to appreciate everyone's.

A

um uh Being here and everyone's coming, we have public comments for over one and a half hours so.

A

I am going to close the public comments period and I apologize if you did not get to speak either in.

A

The room or in the zoom and we are- I am very happy that we got the time to listen to every one of you.

A

And I'm hoping that you feel that the council has lent our ears to you and then we have really taken.

A

Everyone's comment to heart, so I'm gonna close the public comments, bring it back to the council for a.

A

Short deliberation because I think we heard quite a bit if my council, fellow mongers, are okay. I'm.

A

Gonna start to say three things that really touch my heart today. First is everyone here is speaking.

A

um What you feel okay, what what you're really um this is what what you really feel. That's this bill.

A

Is affecting you and the second, is I really want to say I. I am very impressed with our youngsters.

A

And I know that compassion is to stand in every in somebody else's shoe and really feel somebody.

A

Else's feelings understand: we have different focus, we have different feelings. The third ones.

A

I want to give you a challenge when I was in high school, I was in a debating and I was told I have.

A

To debate for a principle that I don't believe in, we have to do research. We have to debate to defend.

A

That so, if you could do some research, why they're against it? If you can do the research, why they're.

A

For it, I think that gives you a lot good insight for it. I had so much fun researched the things I.

A

Didn't believe believing and had really defended, as a good debater said, I do believe in it. It gave.

A

Me some perspectives of what other people's shoes are. What how can we really step into that and to.

A

Take a deep dive of why we're opposing it. Why are we for it? And I hope that you will go home and.

A

Do that little exercise and ask your kids to do that? Little exercise, it's very healthy. It doesn't.

A

Mean that it changed my mind in the end, but it does give me that perspective that, yes, there is.

A

Something there that maybe I I didn't see before so that's what I felt today and I want to give.

A

The flow to my other fellow council members- I I deeply felt um your passion and your belief and.

A

I am saying that I'm here to learn, and I I've learned a lot today- some people may.

A

Say this is a waste of time, you're listening to people's repetitive things, it's not everybody.

A

Speaks differently even though you have may have spoken the same theories, the same reasons, but the.

A

Way, you speak. The way you express yourself is different, so um I think I got my few minutes so.

A

I'm gonna open that to my comments for other my other colleagues. Anyone would like to stepping.

A

BS

Thank you may away. Those were wise words. Thank you to everyone here who's here who made the effort.

BS

And taken the time to attend this evening's meeting. Thank you also for all those who sent.

BS

Hundreds and hundreds of emails left voicemail messages and appreciate the time you put into.

BS

That as well, so, thank you very much. I just want to make a few personal comments and me away if.

BS

You'll allow me, and then we can come back and discuss the future course of action. Absolutely! Oh.

BS

Asian americans comprise 70 percent of the population in cupertino. That is the.

BS

Highest of any bay area city, we have made significant contributions to cultural and.

BS

To the cultural and economic vitality of our region, as an american asian american myself.

BS

And specifically, an indian american. I share the fears of most uh in my community that.

BS

This bill senate bill 403 will have damaging and destructive consequences for my community.

BS

Whether this will actually happen or not- I don't know, but my fear remains not just for people of my.

BS

Generation, but for my children and grandchildren, I am opposed to sp 403, as most of you know. By now it.

BS

Adds cast as a protected category and claims to protect protect against discrimination. The word.

BS

Cast is a loaded word. I don't know what it means. It is ill-defined in the bill and I've had several.

BS

Conversations with so many people in the last few weeks and I'm not sure that any two of us can.

BS

Agree on what cast is, I am also part of a large indian american community in the bay area, and we.

BS

Don't go around talking about what cast we belong to or whether this has any uh relevance at all.

BS

And I have to wonder: are people trying to find a solution for non-existent problems.

BS

Make no mistake: sp 403 is a bill that singles out and targets one segment of the society.

BS

In this case, asian americans, specifically india, indian americans and hindu americans.

BS

At its best, this bill is unnecessary because there are enough anti-discrimination laws enshrined in.

BS

The state constitution and in the constitution of the united states at its worst, it is divisive.

BS

It is mean-spirited and it reinforces false stereotypes. Most importantly, in my opinion,.

BS

It has the potential to harm all of us, and particularly the generations that come after us.

BS

And hopefully I can come back later. Please, please, no applause, because I do believe that everyone.

A

Have their points and it's important to recognize, who agree with you, but also recognize the validity.

A

Of the feelings of whoever have different opinions that you are so thank you so much.

A

um Council member foon, please.

N

I'll echo, the thanks to everybody who came and spoke today. I know especially those times when.

N

You were speaking for the first time. It is very frightening if you are speaking from your heart.

N

It is very frightening if you are outnumbered. It is very frightening. I have been in all of those.

N

Situations, I've also spent many many hours now reviewing this bill. Literature on the bill, I've.

N

Watched the entirety of the assembly judiciary committee, hearing on the bill, I've read all of.

N

The legislative analysis at each stage of the bill's progression through the legislature and.

N

Frankly, I I also felt that it was really incumbent home on me to reach out to friends and people.

N

That I respect in our own community here, the south asian community, in order to better appreciate what.

N

Their perspectives were that has been a humbling, enlightening and sometimes bewildering experience.

N

And it's obvious to me that there are a lot of people in our local community, in particular,.

N

Who have very understandable views that I think have largely been expressed by my colleague.

N

About how this legislation could affect them and their loved ones.

N

And therefore, how the legislation makes them feel specifically singled out targeted stereotyped.

N

Stigmatized, it's also clear to me that there are others who see the bill through the lens.

N

Of the harm of invidious discrimination that they honestly hope it would prevent.

N

And I think that finding the balance between those two competing interests is extremely difficult and.

N

I don't pretend to have an answer to it. What is very plain, however, is the degree of division that.

N

The bill engenders in our south asian community in particular, and you saw that tonight I don't.

N

Want to see any part of our community experience, this sort of visceral division. So whatever comes.

N

Out of our deliberation today, I want our community to feel that we've honored their lived experiences.

N

And I want to ensure that we are offering useful and helpful guidance to our legislative.

N

Delegation in sacramento that gives them the best tools to find a good solution. Ultimately,.

N

The legislation that we are considering tonight is theirs, it's not our own. We don't have a vote.

N

We do have a voice and when we use it, I think that we need to use it thoughtfully and prudently.

A

Thank you, council, member from council member ciao. Please.

D

So I think I recognize that there are cast discrimination. Definitely they are.

D

There are incidents of caste discrimination where there are all kinds of discrimination.

D

um That that do happen and when they are documented- and we should just definitely address.

D

Any of this discrimination and they are and then.

D

I would like to also acknowledge that the author of sp 403 and the district attorney.

D

Jeff rosen of santa clara county both acknowledge and recognize the existing anti-discrimination law.

D

Section 51 of california civil code already addressed discrimination based on ancestry,.

D

And there is already legal basis to prosecute any kind of discrimination based on perceived.

D

Ancestry or heritage, so that's the basis. 403 does not expend the law or change the law at all, but it.

D

Adds the word cast, what does that mean? Like many speakers, acknowledge that they don't even know.

D

I looked it up, I find out. There are actually cast based systems.

D

In every culture you have a case-based system in japan in china in africa. That's the kind of system.

D

That has been in the throughout the history and there are discrimination based on class difference.

D

Cast difference even a city who living one people who come from one city would discriminate against.

D

People who did not come from that city, they all exist, but unfortunately, in u.s the term cast.

D

Has been negatively important used used to portray hindu americans and that contribute to a lot of.

D

The hindu phobia- and there are also documented cases of hindu phobia and anti-hindu hate crimes.

D

So in including a word that has very negative connotation.

D

That no one really knows what it means in california, legislation.

D

That's really a step backwards. That's not really helping us to build a more inclusive and.

D

More equal society, so I think we should all reject any attempts to stereotype or stigmatize.

D

Any individual based on their perceived ancestry, as this contradicts the very principle.

D

Of equality and fairness that we hold dear and the very principle.

D

Of section 51, the unreal civil rights act that sp 403 is trying to amend.

D

So I don't see any value of including the word cast in any california legislation.

D

I oppose on that. Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember ciao, councilmember, moore.

BT

Okay, um so first I want to thank everyone for coming out and I want to commend the council.

BT

For providing this opportunity, I I we might be the only city which has taken this topic.

BT

Up to have a conversation and allow everyone's voice to be heard, and I think that's valuable.

BT

For the entire community that that we want to hear what people have to say.

BT

This is a complicated and difficult topic which has a history that we are all learning more about.

BT

I appreciate all of the additional information that was brought up this evening about the history.

BT

Of the caste system and the the impacts in india of having british rule on that system, I think.

BT

That was also enlightening as well. One thing that bothered me there's a few one thing that bothered.

BT

Me within the sb 35 text is the the definition of ancestry and I'm going to go off on a little bit.

BT

Of a tangent here, um because the focus has been on india, the caste system there. But this definition.

BT

Of ancestry, it gets kind of complicated, in my opinion, so ancestry includes but is not limited.

BT

To lineal descent heritage parentage and they have the word cast or any inherited social status.

BT

um And this this gets complicated. We have very complex families.

BT

um You know my my mother was adopted um and my grandmother was raised in an orphanage. uh What.

BT

Is my what is my heritage and parentage? It's it's complicated um in in europe. I.

BT

Have uh eastern european ancestry? That's that's considered a lower class in other parts of europe.

BT

um I don't wear that here, that's that's in the past, um so this definition made me think about.

BT

You know what what my ancestry is, what this this labeling is as well, and that bothers me.

BT

um And the the lines here are blurring, as each generation stays here longer and we were living.

BT

Amongst one another and we're learning from each other and as each generation's been here longer, we.

BT

Don't want to wear labels, I'm concerned about this labeling of people with regards to their.

BT

Ancestry, and that our focus has been specifically on this, this added definition within ancestry. I.

BT

Think they were intending to be helpful, but adding some of these words, the lineal descent.

BT

The heritage, the parentage any inherited social status and then, of course, adding cast. I think it.

BT

It to me, that's all troubling. I like people to feel free about their ability to move within our.

BT

Society and if you came here and you were like my great grand grandparents- were illiterate and.

BT

My father had a phd. He was not constrained by anything and I want people to feel that as well.

BT

um My suggestion for this council would be that we oppose this bill unless it is amended with.

BT

The word cast removed. That being said, I still have issues with the ancestry definition which.

BT

Was added in so I would like to hear what other people's thoughts are on it. Perhaps.

BT

It is the best definition they could come up with. This came from the judicial analysis, so.

BT

I'd like to hear some more opinions about that, but ultimately I share the fears that this is.

BT

Going to cause damaging consequences. Thank you. Thank you, councilmember moore, so I'm going to.

A

Allow myself to a few minutes to I, like all my colleagues, you know they say from their heart.

A

And what they learn from all of you, and I think each one of you has a point and I just want to.

A

Share a more personal note with you: I understand: discrimination still exists in united states. We.

A

Have to admit that and understand you know we are all citizens. None of us here is discriminating.

A

Against anybody, okay, so I want to go back to my first opening. Let's not let this divide our.

A

Community, we are one community together, we do have different feelings. We have different shoes, we come.

A

With different baggages, so I want to tell you a personal story: if you allow me so I grew up in.

A

The united I didn't grow up here. I came here but I never felt I was discriminated against, but I met a.

A

Friend, who was 20 years older than I am- and he was very strong about, but there's something he wanted.

A

To go out there, he would just you know, raise his hands and do things, and I said why I didn't feel.

A

Discriminated he sent me down. He said he grew up in san francisco and at that time it says, parks.

A

Has sign says no chinese and dogs, so he said he he was discriminated against, so he was so strong.

A

About anything that he has to fight for you know for for equal rights, which I did not have that.

A

Passion, but I learned from him that it did exist so here we we're here again we're talking about.

A

And civil rights and I believe every one of you in our room.

A

Are not discriminating anybody, so let's have that premise in hand and I like to propose. I am going.

A

To let my colleague, who is indian american, take the lead, because I trust my colleagues.

A

Wisdom and her feelings, and so I would like to listen to vice mayor sheila's proposal on this.

A

Very challenging issue, but also it's not challenging, because no one in this room is.

A

Disturbing against anything, so that premise is, is always there. Sorry, if I put you on the spot,.

BS

Thank you, mary.

BS

So what I would I thought we could discuss the next course of action.

BS

And we, I would like the city to issue a proclamation uh emphasizing the values we.

BS

Hold dear as as members of the cupertino community, and also keeping in mind, there are a couple of.

BS

Things about sp, 403 and, and you you heard how I felt about it, but I also know that the bill.

BS

Is still going through the legislative process that there are being changes made at every step.

BS

And that even it's going to the appropriations committee and still has to go to the assembly.

BS

Floor that there could be language changes that could happen between now and then, while.

BS

I'm opposed to sp 403 in its present form. There is no guarantee that the divisive language that.

BS

I I feel uh it includes will be changed as as the bill makes its way through the legislative process.

BS

um I also want to make sure the proclamation includes more than just sp 403, one of my.

BS

Fears is that maybe six months from now, another bill will come up targeting some.

BS

Other segment of society or or some other personal characteristic, and I.

BS

Want to make sure that the proclamation we issue today will cover all those.

BS

Experiences as well so that once and for all, we have a proclamation that clearly.

BS

States what the city's position is on issues like discrimination.

BS

I I do have a format and if I could give it to the city clerk, to put it on the and.

BS

One thing I forgot to mention was: maybe, if I could direct the city attorney and the city.

BS

Manager to sort of take this language and sort of fashion it any which way you want.

BS

Make sure the relevant stuff that we all agreed to is is still there, but just do.

BS

It the right way that the proclamation needs to be done: yeah yeah, if, if you'd like that,.

C

I'd recommend that you include that in any motion you make okay, if I can just thank you.

B

Video, can you okay, yes, we can see, uh can can the public see.

A

Okay, yes, would you like to read it oh sure I should read yeah okay,.

BS

Yeah, so, um as you can see on the on this uh display, which I okay, I would like that we make.

BS

A motion to direct the city manager and the city attorney to prepare a proclamation which.

BS

Contains the following language: where is cupertino values its commitment to diversity in our city.

BS

Whereas we believe that the principles of human rights and equal protection against discrimination.

BS

Apply to all sections and community communities in the city, whereas we take immense pride in the.

BS

Fact that almost 70 percent of our population is asian american, whereas it is our obligation as.

BS

City council members to do everything we can to foster a climate of inclusivity and dignity for.

BS

All individuals, regardless of their background and ethnicity, now, therefore be it resolved that the.

BS

City council of cupertino opposes discrimination in all forms and will vigorously oppose any laws.

BS

In the future that could, intentionally or unintentionally, result in racial or.

BS

Ethnic profiling, violation of civil rights and stigmatizing any one segment of our society.

A

um So that is your motion, that is my motion and I'm open to. May I have a second before.

A

The rest of my the council may have a second before we um just make a discussion. I will.

D

Second, that for discussion, purpose, okay, it's being made and seconded uh may. I suggest in.

C

Addition to to authorize the city attorney to to review the motion as to form and and make.

C

Any changes necessary for to make sure that there's the motion is clear and complies with.

C

All legal requirements or the the proclamation is clear in compliance with our legal requirements.

BU

So yeah, so we need the um motion or to accept the turns of the city attorneys. Both the both.

C

The movement and the and the the secondary- yes, yes and you're, the second or two approve it yeah, but I.

D

Do have a package and we can open up discussion now. Okay, remember my child and council member.

A

More so this statement does not address sb 403, which is the item on the agenda. Is it appropriate.

D

That's not on the agenda, I think it is. It is within the scope of of what's agendaized.

C

Because it's it's germane to the the the concerns that um led this. This item to be on the agenda.

A

um I like to read the agendas: isn't a um taking a position in support of or in opposition of or.

A

Otherwise, regarding or in response to standing bill 403 so otherwise is this. Is that how we.

A

Clarify it, I think it's it's fairly clear that this proclamation is in response to.

C

Sp 403, we just heard you know an hour and a half of of comments uh uh on the issues raised.

A

Okay, um councilmember child councilman customer- are you done with your? I do have.

D

A substitute motion that I would like to still have the council would not entertain.

D

So um let me share my screen.

D

I drafted a proclamation.

D

uh Started with shorter, but it ends up to be longer like I always.

D

So it's a proclamation against hindu phobia and cast sticks, stigmatization.

D

I start with stating existing law cupertino city council declares that we stand against.

D

All forms of discrimination and affirms our unwavering commitment to promoting equality.

D

And inclusivity within our community, we fully support the earned rules. I don't know how to.

D

Pronounce that yes, civil rights act, section 51 of california civil code, which states.

D

All persons within the jurisdiction of this state are free and equal and no matter what.

D

There, sex race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, medical condition, genetic.

D

Information marital status, sexual orientation, citizenship, primary language or immigration status,.

D

Are entitled to the full and equal accommodation, advantages, facilities, privileges or services.

D

In all business establishment of every kind of whatsoever, so this included already on ancestry.

D

Furthermore, the city cupertino city council vehemently oppose any stigmatization or.

D

Stereotyping of individuals based on any of the affirmations attributes. We firmly believe that.

D

Every member of our community deserves to be treated with dignity and respect, without fear.

D

Of prejudice and bias, we acknowledge the rights of hindu phobia and the challenges faced by asian.

D

Indian american community, in cupertino, california and the united states, we are deeply concerned.

D

About any documented incidents of discrimination based on perceived caste or ancestry, as well as.

D

Any recorded incidents of anti-hindu hate crimes, such acts or intolerance and discrimination.

D

Prohibited by unran's civil rights act have no place in our diverse and harmonious community.

D

Although there are cast-based systems and discrimination throughout history and in.

D

Almost every culture and in every continent, the term caste has been unfortunately misused.

D

To negatively portray the culture of hindu americans, which contributes to more hindu phobia.

D

We reject any attempts to stereotype or stigmatize individuals based on their perceived.

D

Ancestry, as this contradicts the principle of equality and fairness that we hold dear.

D

We express our strong opposition to sb 403 and any legislation that employs.

D

Wording with negative connotation to stigmatize and stereotype, any group, including the term cast.

D

We believe that the lhp is referring from california. Law fails to contribute meaningfully.

D

To the existing anti-discrimination law, the unroll civil rights act instead.

D

It perpetuates harmful stereotypes and prejudices. Contrary to the fundamental principle of the.

D

Enrolled civil rights act as members of the cupertino city council. We are committed to.

D

Fostering an inclusive community where all residents come together to support one another.

D

Free from the burden of outdated cultural heritages, we're envision a city that cherishes.

D

Diversity embraces inclusivity and celebrates the unique contributions of every individual.

A

Thank you. So um that is your motion, and may I have a second please more second, okay and may.

C

I request that the same uh language regarding the city attorney's authority to review the.

C

The the proclamation for form and legality be added to the substitute motion. Yeah. Definitely.

A

Okay, so we have a substitute motion or open um accepted to acknowledge the.

D

City attorneys, yes, okay. Thank you. Now we're open to discussion on the substitute motion.

A

I like to speak to it. um I think the the essence of councilmember charles motion is there.

A

um I feel it's it just it's very complicated. I think it says a lot of things. That's real.

A

Specific and I understand that vice mayor mohan's motion actually addresses a lot of them without.

A

Being really specific- and I understand the desire of a lot of our constituents- and I.

A

Understand the desire of someone who feels differently to me, this is how I see things.

A

You you all know that no council members has this is a google city. Council is looking at this.

A

Because we want to hear from our residents and also from people who have different opinions and.

A

To me, it's a very, as I said it's an educational journey for me, and I do believe that I remember.

A

I voted no to put this on the agenda because I do feel that we have not much control over it because.

A

It is in the state level, however, I am happy. We did it because we got to listen to a lot of people.

A

I, like always, if you know me like simple good to the point proclamations instead of approximation.

A

That's very complicated, so my only concern with council member charles proposal, it is, is pretty.

A

Complicated, so that's my comment and I am open up to council member from then councilmember moore.

N

I I would echo everything that the mayor just offered and I would very much like to hear.

N

From the vice mayor on the topic, especially because she made the initial motion and my.

N

Sense from knowing her is that she probably spent a good deal of time.

N

And energy and thought in it, and I would like to afford her the dignity of deference on the topic.

A

Followed by vice mayor mohan, um thank you. So I was wondering if I could see the um the original.

BT

Motion again that it is a proclamation because I I do not recall seeing the sentence that says.

BT

That the city of cupertino opposes sb 403. So if we could have that back up on the screen, I'd like to.

BT

um Yeah, okay, so that is that that, to me that's what a very critical sentence is missing here.

BT

um And my suggestion uh during my little talk about this was that uh my suggestion was that the.

BT

City of cupertino opposes sb 403, unless amended with the word cast removed, and I did want to hear.

BT

Some comments about the ancestry issue, but still the point being made that I would want to see.

BT

um That sb403 be opposed in this original motion. um If I, if that is not going to happen,.

BT

Then I am in support of council member chows motion proclamation, which is more complicated.

BT

um It was by the way for this particular agenda item um having served on the legislative review.

BT

Committee for a couple of years, when we would see something like sb, 403 or any of the other.

BT

Bills are the positions it would be. Taking would be we're either going to oppose it.

BT

Oppose unless it's amended or we're going to or supported or support with amendments.

BT

Or we might just take a watch position, so I'm a little taken aback by the the proclamation.

BT

um uh Concept that we're looking at here, um I would have, it would have been my preference.

BT

That we were going to be a little bit more direct in, say um we're going to oppose it or we're going.

BT

To support it and what we want to see changed to to make it something that we wanted to um to feel.

BT

Good about, if there's some way to to do that, so um it is my preference that that original motion have.

BT

The the line in there that we are opposing sb 403- I don't think it's implied in that proclamation.

A

BS

Sp 403, the the words sp 403, does not show in in the proclamation that I uh suggested and and also.

BS

Just to go back a little bit, even the proclamation itself was was my suggestion. So it wasn't, it isn't.

BS

Like I'm not willing to listen to other points of view, uh but the reason and I uh and I agree with.

BS

uh The sentiments expressed by um the words that council member chow um read out and and presented.

BS

To the public, but my problem and uh my concern not so much a problem is that I thought sb 403.

BS

Could change its its colors the by the time it ends up uh um at the governor's desk and.

BS

I didn't want to commit to opposing sp 403 now in in the form of a proclamation, uh because it could.

BS

Change and it could change dramatically or maybe it does wouldn't change at all, but right now that.

BS

Whole process is uncertain and another reason I didn't want to include sp 403 was uh six months.

BS

Down the line, as I said, there could be another bill, hypothetically, maybe sb 405, and um which.

BS

Targets another segment of society, and I wanted to make sure that the proclamation we issued.

BS

Covers eventualities like those as well and not restricted restricted to what we are seeing today.

A

Thank you vice mayor mohan, and then you have vice mayor council member.

A

Charles has your light on. Do you want to say something you have two minutes left.

A

Yeah go ahead; okay, um so I mold on my letter. Actually after the opposition letters, the city.

D

Usually write to oppose a state bill that usually includes a lot of detailed content and reasons on.

D

Why we support or oppose a bill? So it's not a very short decoration that usually is not.

D

And I do think it's important that we take a stand against the adding cast in any legislation.

D

So I'm if the council, like a very short letter, I could propose on supreme, I guess, as some friendly.

D

Amendment to cons to uh to vice mayor mohan's virgin, adding one paragraph from mine which.

D

Is would read something like this? We express our strong opposition to any legislation that.

D

Employs wording with negative connotations to statements, stigmatize and stereotype. Any group.

D

Including the term cast, so this means other things. Things are covered too and we believe.

D

That the addition of cash to california law fails to contribute meaningfully to the existing.

D

Anti-Discrimination law, the unrul civil rights act; instead, it perpetuates harmful stereotypes.

D

And prejudices contrary to the fair, fundamental principles of emerald civil rights. And then we.

D

Oppose as before, three in its current form, unless it is amended to remove the mentioning of caste.

A

Thank you, councilmember ciao. I would like to speak about this. That was a friendly amendment, so.

D

Okay, I wonder, if like um is it okay to propose that now or I should do it after we vote down my.

D

Substitute, uh no, so you still so so both motions are on the table, so you can propose a set a.

C

Friendly amendment to the main motion now and then we would vote on the substitute of motion. First.

D

Okay, so then I would uh need the motion maker to see if you accept this friendly amendment to the.

D

Main motion, so I think we're still at a common period. Can I make my comment first? Okay, so I.

A

I want to make it very clear that vice mayor child made her position very clear when she said.

A

When she made her statement, she is personally opposing the bill and I believe she wrote.

A

Letters to the legislators already, as vice mayor herself representing herself, so her position is.

A

Very very clear, and I do admire her for making a proclamation that doesn't include what her.

A

Personal feelings is but to make it a general set proclamation, that's going to prevent everything.

A

Else, that's come after this, it does inhibit. It does say very clearly that any forms of.

A

Discrimination is prohibited. That's the council will disapprove. I like her phone because it's.

A

Simple and it says what the console is going to go forward, I understand the desire of a lot of.

A

Constituents is to make sure it's specific, but I do understand that when we step on other people.

A

Shoe and also, I understand very clearly, it doesn't matter what we're doing today.

A

We might not change what's happening in sacramento, so in order for council's vice.

A

Mayor child, to make a proclamation that's going to last forever. That represents what.

A

The cupertino city council represents that's what I would support, because I look through my.

A

Vice mayor, she is part of the indian american community. She made her position very, very clear.

A

There was no doubt that what she believes in about sb 403- I'm gonna, stop it here.

A

After me, council member moore, you have about two minutes too.

BT

um A question for the city attorney: may I make a second substitute motion here.

C

uh Yes, you may okay. Thank you. Can I first get my sub friendly amendment. I have not.

D

Gotten confirmation from the motion maker, um it would be up to the chair to recognize the.

C

Speaker, okay, vice mayor mohan, I think council member charles made a friendly amendment to the.

A

Your first motion, where she seconded, would you accept her friendly amendment, uh so this is a.

D

Paragraph I read if, if that's more clear, if I could see that the paragraph on the screen.

BS

You know, I agree with this. The sentiments expressed in this paragraph uh and I would.

BS

Be okay with maybe just including the word uh cast uh in in my original motion.

BS

uh And I'm not sure that takes away from anything. You have said council, member cha.

BS

uh I I would almost sure that what you're saying sort of re restates what I have said.

BS

And if you don't agree with me, so you agree, we could add, mention sb 403 and cast no. I did.

BU

Not wait, don't mention the forestry by the way yeah right, because I think uh and I'm.

BS

Sorry, maybe if I could speak, I thought if we could, if we said sp 403, that would really limit us.

BS

um To future such laws so but that's what's on the agenda? Okay! So let's, uh let's vice mayor.

A

Decide whether she wants to accept your friendly amendment or make her own friendly amendment.

BS

I would be okay with including the term cast in in the in my original motion. So so would you like.

A

To so how? How are we going to do this, because so uh so I I I I would would if, if both the the the.

C

uh Council, member chow and and vice mayor mohan, are um are open to it. I I would recommend.

C

um Amending uh the vice mayor's original motion to uh to and to include additional direction to.

C

The city attorney to incorporate the sentiment expressed in um council member ciao's additional.

C

Language, including um you know, uh you know a mention of the the term cast in a revised uh in in.

C

A proclamation uh you know to include additional provision in the proclamation that addresses that.

A

Okay, so why don't I make a friendly amendment too? Okay, so I'm I I really like.

A

Simple languages, so, with your original proposal point of order mayor um so.

C

Well, we have that, that's not the problem, but I think we should we should. We should.

C

um The the the um the maker of the motion should decide and the second of the motion.

C

Should decide whether whether they're accepting that friendly amendment and then then you could.

C

Make your own amendment okay! Is that me? Yes, okay, so um I accept uh council, member charles.

BS

Sentiments about including the word uh cast in my original motion- okay, but not as beef to uh sp 403,.

BS

For the reason I uh stated earlier that it limits us and that doesn't have to be the proclamation.

BS

Councilmanship, are you? Are you comfortable with how I framed the intention of your amendment yeah.

C

I like the way you friended, that you would include the sentiment included and your will.

D

Include the test, so my understanding now is the mayor would like to propose them amendment, so she.

D

Should propose, and I and the council member mohan my vice mayor mohan, can then decide if we would.

D

Accept that friendly of anything yes, the mayor now has the floor and I apologize for interrupting.

C

Her no no problem is getting very challenging okay, so my friend in amendment is real, simple.

A

um Council member vice mayor, mohan's original motion plus instruct, um as you turn into at cast.

A

To the emotion as appropriate, I think that that's um because I personally do not like complicated.

A

Things like strongly opposed and stigmas. I I did not like vice mayor functional member charles.

A

Language, I feel that our cg attorney can make a better a not better make a legally appropriate.

A

Incorporation into cash into council vice mayor, mohan's original proclamation. So so your shows.

C

Your friendly amendment would be a you know, would be an amendment to strike the additional text.

C

That council member chao has has has added to the motion through her amendment and merely direct the.

C

City attorney to include language that that makes reference to cast in a revised proclamation. Yes,.

C

Okay, yeah and now it's up to you and you to accept, uh because I don't accept it.

BU

And I accept it.

C

The the amendment does not um the the amendment is is not on the floor, so why don't I make us another.

A

Substitute of motion, as as that I would I'm gonna, make an associative motion to um original vice.

A

Mayor mohan's original language plus authorized ceo attorney to kind of order. I believe council.

D

Member moore already made indicated that she wants to make a substitute motion. So, okay, we can do that.

A

Okay, so I'll, let you make a supreme motion first now, let's clear, we have original motion. That's.

A

Being um I'm a little confused now? Sorry! Yes! So so we have an original motion in substitute motion.

C

um There there can be up to three motions on the floor. Under rosensburg's, rules of orders is chair.

C

um You know you, you can either make your motion or recognize uh council member more.

C

And allow her to make her motion, so the one I want to ask is: uh why is memo has.

A

Origin motion friendly amendment- I don't think she really accepted that friendly amendment.

A

Oh, did she I I I I it seemed as if she did but but she would be the one best person to.

C

Answer that question yeah did you I'm sort of lost track of what, though I apologize? Okay, that's, okay,.

BS

I'm sorry, um I wanted to make sure that the word cast would be included in my original motion. Yes,.

C

Okay, uh just a complicating things further, we will need a motion to it's after 11, so we're.

C

Going to need a motion to extend time I would I could make my council members.

A

um To um can we extend until 11 20. so moved? Okay, may I have a second uh we're. Gonna extend.

A

Our time to 11 20. a second okay, so it's been seconded last vote by light. Please.

B

The motion carries unanimously: okay, uh council member I'll. Let you make the motion.

BT

Thank you so uh just to kind of simplify things. um My motion would be that the city.

BT

Council takes an opposed position on sb 403 unless amended removing the word cast and.

BT

Then we directed a letter to the legislature be written which incorporates both council.

BT

Member chao and vice mayor mohan's proclamations, okay, may I have a second.

A

If there's no second, but I don't quite understand okay, um I would prefer, if.

A

You don't understand, um please, okay, so you may include both proclamations in a letter.

D

Through the mayor, so what we're doing is we're. The recommended action is that we consider.

BT

Taking a position in support of opposition to or otherwise regarding or in response to, sb 403, my.

BT

Motion very clearly takes a position and then you're going to incorporate we're asking staff.

BT

To incorporate both both proclamations because there's good information in both into a letter.

BT

um For the for the legislature, so that they know what our what our position is here, so it's.

BT

It's simply because for ease of information, we've provided a lot of meat in those two documents that.

BT

They can write a letter um with, but bottom line is that we've got an opposed positions. Clearly.

BT

Stated and where we are not watering down what what it is so oppose or oppose unless amended.

BT

um Oppose unless amended, removing the word cast: okay and then the staff well jeff. The.

D

Letter similar to the the letter have been drafted for bills and then considering would combine the.

D

Sentiment expressed in both proclamation through the mayor precisely yeah. I I would recommend that.

C

The speakers be recognized by the mayor yeah, um so we need a second for council member moore's motion.

D

I'll second, that, okay, so we're open for discussion council member froon had your light on.

N

Again in in the spirit of the dignity of deference that I've offered the the vice.

N

Mayor, you know as to what her view is on it. If she would prefer her language and.

N

The version that the mayor was going to offer, I would suggest to her that, since we can only.

N

Have so many motions on the table at once that she withdraw hers and offer it as a substitute.

BS

Through the mayor, uh what exactly does that accomplish? It would allow us to get through.

N

The mayor, it would allow us to consider your preferred version of the motion. We.

A

Can only have three motions on the table, so if you withdraw I'm the let's see maternity explained, it.

C

Yeah there, so there are up to three motions can be on the table. The maker of emotion can withdraw.

C

Emotion at any time, um you know if, if, um if your motion is withdrawn and a a new new substitute.

C

Motion is made the last substitution motion. It's made would be considered first and voted on.

BS

Okay, so what is the substitute motion that we are voting on? If not not yet I was going to.

A

Make one, but now I can't, because we have three motions on the on the table already: okay, so I I.

BS

Withdraw my original motion, uh I would disagree. I like your motion and our friendly amendment.

D

And uh I thank you attorney. Please point out that that council, member chow is not recognized and.

C

The maker of the motion can withdraw the motion, so my question for cj herni is: if the maker of.

A

The motion withdraws the motion. The second there cannot didn't cannot exist, that's correct. It's.

D

It's the maker, it's the major decision. Thank you. I don't understand why why uh vice mayor mohan has.

D

To always draw her emotions she doesn't have to she chooses to. I didn't have to, but excuse me so I.

C

Get again I'd encourage the council members to to be recognized before speaking council member from.

A

I think your light is on yeah, so procedurally, the next step would be for the vice mayor to offer the.

N

Motion that she intended that would incorporate the things that the mayor intended to add.

A

So so why do I make the third motion starting motion? Then? I would like to.

A

Make the motion to approve vice mayor mohan's proclamation but authorize the.

A

City attorney to add cast into the proclamation as appropriate. That will be my substitute motion.

A

And I'm looking for a second I'll, second, that so open for discussions.

D

So how is that so mayor? Can I speak so? Yes, please, I'm sorry. How is your motion different from vice.

D

Mayor mohan's earlier motion: um this is the motion that I'm making. How is that different from maybe.

D

Vice mayor mohan can explain. What do you see is different between the different original motion.

D

And the new one, the different motion is your friendly amendment includes your language in.

A

There I I personally don't like really complicated language and because cass is the one item that we.

A

Want to put it on so I'm making very simple we're gonna. My motion is to um to approve vice mayor.

A

Mohan's proclamation but authorized the city attorney to add cast into it as appropriate.

A

And is second by vice mayor mohan. So if you know questions uh council, member moore.

BT

uh Yes, so I I'd like to understand um what, given our recommended action, what is the position that.

BT

Motion has with regards to senate bill 403. I cannot tell if you are in support or opposition.

BT

Or if you are just taking a watch position on that also, there was a earlier statement about wanting.

BT

To wait and see what happens to the bill? Well, what happens to the bills that are going through.

BT

Is that they get changed based on the positions and the information that our legislators get from.

BT

The public, so we need to make a position. How do you feel I still have the floor? Thank you.

BT

Mayor can I has the secret attorney, explain we this subject? Doesn't yes, it says support.

A

In opposition, or otherwise, regarding our response to senate bill, 403 is the current motion response.

A

To centerville 403., the current motion is germane to the the agenda item. um As as you read it, yes,.

A

I hope that answers your question. Councilmember moore, either way um you just spoke over me, so I.

BT

Could I should have done I apologize to order? um No, it does not take a position.

BT

um For or against it's, if anything, I would say it: it um walks around it without being direct.

BT

And I you like a simple language, simple language should be you support or oppose, or you want to.

BT

Take a watch position, one of those would be simple. um This is not simple, it's vague, thank you and any.

D

Other comments: how many emotions? What motions do I have on the table right now? We have three.

A

The one council member mermaid and you seconded and then that's true and the last one, is the one.

A

That was very strong. No, there was another one. um Was there his third one? Yes, there.

A

Was another one that um she made and you make a friendly amendment to add. But that's that.

D

Was the original one, but that's it that has two friendly amendments on it. Well, that's the same.

D

Emotion, there's council, member chow's original council member charles originally what was the.

C

uh For the first substitute motion um and then there was a second substitute motion.

W

Made by by councilmember moore and then then the mayor's um uh third substitute motion is.

C

Now the third motion on the third motion on the table- oh so there is the so the three.

D

Motion now one is the one that I proposed with my version of the political amazing correct. Yes,.

C

That was me, oh, that one I would likely. I would like to wear strong so yeah that, because with.

D

um That one I would like to withdraw and then now I would like to make another substitute motion.

D

D

Like I said, I think on I don't understand, can you make a motion? Please? Okay,.

D

So I like to make a motion that we prepare two letters, one specifically um sp4 three.

D

That opposed as before three, unless it's amended, with the wording of cast removed.

D

And express the reasons that why waiting cast in is a negative consultation.

D

That will stigmatize and stereotype our cupertino community and second, I understand the vice mayam.

D

Mohan would like a more general letter that cover more. I think we can have two letters.

D

One is general that covers more, but one addresses the specific issue on their agenda today as before.

D

Three, so that's my motion. Okay, may I have a second I'm through the mayor, I'd like to second that and.

BT

I'd like council member charles motion, so well I'd like to withdraw mine and support it. First.

A

Okay, so um let's have a vote. If you don't know council, member from.

N

Again, in the spirit of the dignity of deference, I would like to hear the vice mayor's opinion.

A

Vice mayor mohan, we are actually looking forward to to you.

BU

Show this anything else I want to say I oppose sp 403. I oppose all mentioned to cast.

BS

uh I'd like to keep it uh not general but but inclusive, just so that we are prepared for similar.

BS

Eventualities down the line, thank you vice mayor mohan, and I like to echo that I look forward to my.

A

um The lead on my vice mayor mohan, and I want to say one more time she made.

A

It very clear she's opposing to sp403, and so we have we're going to vote on council.

A

Member charles motion, first, which is to have two proposals on the table, one is to oppose.

A

Four or three, unless amended or and one is to approve councilman vice manuel, has.

A

Yes, more um everlasting proclamation! Okay! So if that's clear enough, can we vote on it.

D

We have four minutes every one final comment: okay, please! So I think it's important that we.

D

Take a strong stand tonight, it's very easy to be wishy-washy, and I hope that this council.

A

Please please note: okay, um please it's clear that we opposed as before three and then our.

D

Action make that clear and we are against any kind of dislocation, including cast.

A

Discrimination, thank you very much, and so can we start the vote. Please.

A

I just want to clarify that the um the motion by the the vice mayor, which you substituted mayor.

BT

Way that it does not take an opposed position to sb 403, so the vote that we're going to take.

BT

First clearly states that we oppose sb 403. The other motion does not clearly state that, so I.

BT

Will make sure everybody understands that? Thank you. Thank you. I think we um understand it so.

A

You do know the motion. That's on the table. uh This is for your motion. No for council.

B

Member charles, uh yes, you're correct, yes, her new motion to prepare two letters on sb, 403 um and.

B

uh Opposing it unless amend, amendments are made uh removing the word cast and uh the reason why.

B

um There are it's a negative connotation and another general letter that covers.

B

That covers the vice mayor's covers addresses the vice mayor's sentiments. Thank you just to clarify.

D

So the second letter clarifying we're not going to you're not going to be able to vote on these.

C

Motions but they've got sorry two minutes. um So, let's, let's vote by light, if that's okay, okay, yeah.

B

The motion fills with ciao and more avoiding yes, so we're going to my motion. That's.

A

um Accept council member vice mayor has proclamation for the authorized uh city.

A

Attorney to put cast into it as appropriate- and um I think a second by vice mayor, mohan, right.

A

And I like to we, can I like to say one more thing: we're not here to really. I want here to say that.

A

I respect my fellow council member vice moro, mohan, because she is a representative in the.

A

Indian american community- and I understand there is a desire for this- for the council.

A

To take very strong stance, however, I take vice mayor mohan's words very seriously that.

A

She is opposing it as the bill it is, but she's willing to make cupacino city council have a.

A

Proclamation, that's going to be inclusive in the future, so I I do believe that individual.

A

Council members like council member um ciao, vice council, member moore or vice mayor, mohan, really.

A

Can write individual letters strongly against 403 as a counsel, I do believe we need to be inclusive.

A

We need to be really taking care of the whole community the whole. What's going to happen here.

A

Now and in the future, that is reason I made my proposal, and that is the reason I am going to.

A

Support my own purpose, ciao, one minute, council member, oh councilman, do we're.

C

Going to need another motion to extend the meeting.

C

So another motion to extend the meeting for how long 11 25 minutes 10 more minutes. We will need.

A

To wrap this up, okay, so one minute for you and then we're gonna vote; okay, who's! Second,.

D

I have a question on your substitute of motion because I'm unclear what the exactly is, the.

D

Wording is that going to stay away or post any legislation? No, it is pertaining. The word.

A

It is very clear that I swear I I made a motion to approve councilman vice mayor mohan's proclamation.

A

With the authorization to ask city attorney to add cast into the proclamation as appropriate,.

BV

So that does not include opposing legislation, including the word cast.

D

This motion to extend mayor uh who, who seconded that um nice to meet uh council member child and.

A

Then I forgot, who seconded no one? Second, oh sorry, I'll. Second it and let's vote we're gonna help.

A

Extension we're voting on extension, the motion carries unanimously. Thank you and then, let's.

A

Vote on the substitution that I made uh that's second, I what? What exactly is the word in trinity.

D

I don't understand in adding cast acquire. I think I think that's already been explained what I don't.

C

That's been explained, um city attorney seems you will be revising this. Could you explain what you.

D

Understand as emotion, the the the motion is to revise the proclamation that was prepared by the.

C

Vice mayor to it to include a a reference to cast and and in opposition to to to characterizing to.

C

To anything that that characterizes discrimination based on cast, I feel like I have enough direction.

C

Between what you said and what's been discussed here to to to to adequately convey the sentiment.

C

That council has expressed, and- and I I and I concur with the mayor's mayor's uh statement.

C

That that there would be no direct mention of sb 403, based on my understanding of the motion.

D

So thank you. So it sounds like that. This has been changed into totally in line with as before. Three.

D

um To um so um to legalize it has as a protective class. I I don't and I don't feel comfortable.

D

Unless the way I see well, then, then don't vote for don't don't further motion yeah. So um I'm.

A

Ready for a vote and then I would like and propose another substitute motion. I can't right under the.

C

um I will I will record I will. I will strongly recommend that council suspend the meeting at 11.

C

25, if you propose another substitute motion, so I motion to extend the meeting another five minutes.

BT

Through the mayor's second, let's vote by light.

B

The motion carries with fluent burning now.

D

Please yeah, I think if we are only adding casters okay, my motion will.

D

Be reviving vice mayor mohan's original motion, which is her on.

D

Her original description, including the sentiment expressed in my statement, which the city are.

D

Turning will include because I think, that's very different from just adding cash just made the.

D

Motion please thank you, okay, so the machine emotion is being made. Do we have a second.

BT

I'm sorry I could I have to ask, could you please repeat the repeat that okay, the vice.

D

Mayor's original proclamation, yes, and including on the sentiment expressed in council member.

D

Charles friendly and management and managing the term cast with a with any mention of sp403.

BT

And there's no mention of 403, but there is so here is, I think there there was. um Let me share this.

D

I wish it could mention four three, but it seems vice mayor mohan.

D

Is awaiting too so? It would include this sentiment that was initially proposed as.

D

A friendly amendment, and then vice mayor mohan, mentioned that she is.

D

Willing to include that, as long as we express the sentiment in line with this paragraph, this.

A

Okay, so do we have a second please, if not we're going to move forward with the emotion we are.

A

Performing yes, I'm sorry councilmember child. I believe you should have gone with a an opposition.

BT

um Substitute motion on usb 403. excuse me: are you accepting the are.

A

You seconded, I, I think it muddies the water, so I can't I can't second, it is.

D

Okay, so I accept the friendly amendment to include the council member foreign.

A

Except okay, so, let's vote on the motion.

A

Oh, I haven't not voted. I apologize.

B

The motion uh the motion fails with ciao and more voting. Yes, so let's go to um does my.

A

Substantive motion, as I made and then uh second by vice mayor mohan, can we vote on it. Please.

B

The motion carries with child abstaining and more voting. Now I understand because.

D

I I'm unsure of the language and the meeting is adjourned. Thank you.