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Coverage of the August 24, 2021 Cupertino Planning Commission Teleconference Meeting.
A
A
A
B
A
E
E
F
A
D
All
right,
so
we
have
chair
wong
is
not
here
at
the
moment.
A
A
This
is
for
anyone
wishing
to
address
the
commission
on
any
matter
that
a
is
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
commission
and
b,
not
on
the
agenda,
and
you
each
get
three
minutes
and
I
will
go
over
to
the
participants.
One
second
and
it
looks
like
we
have
one
hand
raised
and
that
hand
is
jennifer
griffin,
welcome.
C
Jennifer,
thank
you.
Standing
chair
char,
hi,
I'm
jennifer
griffin,
I'm
just
gonna
make
a
statement
about
the
housing
bills.
I
have
never
in
my
life,
seen
such
political
depravity
in
this
state.
Ever
since
I
was
sitting
in
the
city
council
chambers
four
years
ago,
when
in
the
fall,
when
we
first
were
told
that
jerry
brown
had
signed
a
whole
group
of
housing
bills
that
scott
weiner
had
introduced,
I
was
dumbfounded
that
our
governor
would
do
this.
I
did
not
understand
what
was
going
on.
I
felt
like
I
had.
C
C
I
sent
a
letter
to
you
all
just
recently
that
this
I
grew
up
with
robber
baron
definition,
and
this
is
way
beyond
robber,
baron,
the
levels
of
cronyism
and
political
instability
in
this
state.
No
wonder
there
is
an
attempt
to
recall
the
governor
for
good
or
ill.
I
don't
even
know
how
it
happened,
but
we
are
going
into
a
tailspin,
sb9
and
sb10
pushed
this
to
a
head.
We
are
at
a
logger
jam.
We
are
at
the
precipice
the
public,
my
family
myself,
my
brother,
my
brother-in-law.
In
oregon.
C
My
family
was
never
asked
and
I
was
never
asked
for
a
vote,
but
yet
we
have
unelected
political
group,
unelected
groups
peddling
these
bills,
telling
us
what
we're
supposed
to
do
and
our
elected
politicians
are
not
helping
they're
making
it
worse.
There
is
so
much
hidden
money
from
oregon
washington
from
mega
millionaires
coming
in
to
back
the
bills
in
oregon,
washington
and
california.
C
Money
is
coming
in
from
mega
millionaires
in
california
and
they
these
people
are
not
elected
either.
So
why
are
they
taking
over
our
state
yeah?
It
is
time
for
push
back
my
my
vote
counts
and
believe
me.
We
need
to
look
back
to
where
sb9
and
sb10
came
from
to
understand
what
is
happening.
This
is
a
complete
political
disaster
in
this
state
and
if
you
wanted
to
live
in
interesting
times,
we
are
good
luck.
Thank
you
to
our
planning
staff.
You
guys
are
in
for
a
hard
road,
a
job's,
a
job.
A
Appalled,
thank
you.
Okay,
thank
you,
jennifer,
and
I
will
have
some
updates
when
I
do
my
commission
report,
because
I
have
spoken
with
one
of
our
legislators
staffs
just
today.
Next
we
have
connie
cunningham
welcome
connie.
B
Good
evening,
planning
planning
commission-
and
it's
very
interesting
to
have
this
time
to
listen
to
your
deliberations
this
evening.
I'm
looking
forward
to
the
discussion
on
the
adu
as
I'm
very
much
in
favor
of
them.
B
I
did
want
to
go
on
record
that
I'm
interested
in
the
planning,
that's
going
on
for
the
housing
element
and
look
forward
to
adding
more
housing
for
all
incomes
and
abilities
in
our
city
and
am
hoping
that
we
can
have
a
really
good
turnout
from
the
public
and
from
all
of
our
officials
to
discuss
some
really
good
ideas
that
I
I've
been
hearing.
Oh
from
various
groups
in
the
community,
so
best
wishes
to
you
this
evening
and
your
deliberations
on
the
adu
and
that
be
the
end
of
my
comments.
Okay,
bye,
okay,.
A
Thank
you
connie.
Next,
we
are
on
to.
I
don't
see
anyone
else
with
hands
raised,
so
we
we
are
on
to.
Are
there
any
written
communications
from
members
of
the
public.
D
We
do
not
have
any
written
communications,
except
for
what
relates
to
eating
news
from
jennifer
griffin.
A
Okay,
well,
that's
yeah!
That's
part
of
the
agenda
item.
Okay,
it
doesn't
look
like
anything
is
on
the
consent
calendar.
I
guess
we
are
not
approving
the
unapproved
minutes.
D
Will
return
to
you
at
the
regular
meeting
on
september
14.
A
Okay,
great
so
now
we
are
on
to
the
only
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
the
study
session
to
provide
an
update
on
the
pre-approved
accessory
dwelling
unit
program,
an
accessory
accessory
dwelling
unit
implementation,
and
we
will
receive
the
presentation
and
then
provide
comments.
So,
let's
go
to
the
staff
report.
G
Good
evening
vice
chair
shark,
thank
you
for
having
this
study
session.
My
name
is
john
martier.
I'm
a
senior
planner
with
the
city's
community
development
department
and
I've
been
the
planner.
That's
been
involved
with
the
adu
program
since
2016
pretty
much
when
the
state
started
its
mandating
of
a
more
progressive
adu
policies
and
whatnot.
F
G
I,
the
planning
commission,
heard
a
study
session
a
little
over
a
year
ago
in
june,
and
so
I'm
coming
back
here
tonight
to
discuss
the
progress
that's
been
made
thus
far
on
a
couple
fronts.
The
first
being.
You
know
how
many
first
being
our
pre-approved
edu
program
as
well
as
an
update
on
the
numbers
of
the
adus,
have
been
improved
so
far
during
this
housing
element
cycle,
and
particularly
these
last
two
years.
So
let
me
share
my
screen.
G
G
Thank
you,
okay,
so
accessory
dwelling
units
study
session
again,
okay,
so
the
city
council
work
program
for
2020
2021
under
housing.
The
row
talks
specifically
talks
about
established
procedures
and
policies
on
streamlining
the
edu
review
process.
This
is,
I
believe,
it's
the
second
year
that
this
particular
one's
been
on
the
work
program
and
the
third
year
that
a
work
program
item
has
dealt
with
the
production
of
encouraging.
I
G
So,
as
mentioned
in
the
introduction
on
june
23,
2020
myself
had
conducted
the
planning
commission
review
in
a
study
session
of
again
the
update
of
where
we
were
at
with
production
at
that
time,
as
well
as
going
over
ideas
for
the
pre-approved
program.
G
At
that
after
discussion,
we
talked
about
the
various
cities
that
had
pre-root
programs,
but
in
particular
the
city
of
san
jose's,
adu
ally
program,
which
did
a
number
of
things
was
offers
pre-approved
plans
for
selected
from
selected
vendors
and
which,
with
the
idea
of
quickening,
the
review
process,
while
saving
the
applicant
money
and,
most
importantly
time
out
of
the
six
jurisdictions.
I
believe
that
staff
had
looked
into
that
had
pre-approved
programs.
G
The
city
of
san
jose's
was
the
most
fiscally
responsible
of
all
the
cities
by
me,
by
fiscally
responsible,
I
mean
that
the
least
amount
of
expenditure
from
stat
from
the
city
to
implement
a
program
while
also
have
one
of
the
easier
ones
to
to
maneuver
for
for
an
applicant
as
well.
G
So
the
plan
commission's
direction
was
to
return
for
a
follow-up
study
session
on
the
progress
of
the
city's
own
pre-approved
adu
program.
So
why
we're
here
tonight,
which
and
subsequently
we
will
after
this
most
likely
go
to
council,
I
believe
the
earliest
we
can
do
and
it's
the
second
meeting
in
september.
G
What
stick
pill
means
the
traditional
way
of
building
you
have
foundation,
you
have
framing
what
not,
whereas
a
prefab
can
be
doesn't
have,
does
not
have
a
foundation
other
than
slab
on
grade
further.
It
could
be
yeah
prefabricate,
the
factory
assembled
on
site
or
or
at
the
factory
itself
and
craned
over
into
a
backyard
which
we've
had
already
one
or
two
examples.
G
All
pre-approved
adus
must
be
actually
property
owners
or
residents
that
live
that
only
live
in
the
valley
floor.
Geological
designation
can't
have
a
pre-approved
view,
mainly
because,
within
that
geologic
zone,
there
aren't
any
specific
site
specific
foundation,
issues
that
have
to
be
responded
to
within
the
design.
G
So,
within
the
valley,
floor
designation,
which
is
pretty
much
the
most
secure
for
for
building,
you
could
have
a
uniform
foundation
system
for
each
of
those
prefabricated
if
you
just
be
limited
to
those
zones.
G
So
if
you
are
within
a
fault,
rupture
slope,
instability,
hillside
or
liquefaction
innovation
zone,
you're
not
eligible
to
have
prefabricated,
I'm
sorry
pre-approved
adu
for
the
applicant
who
wants
to
have
a
pre-approved
adu,
you
still
have
to
submit
a
boundary
survey,
survey,
site
plan
and
specs
for
an
hvac
unit.
If
you
are
going
to
propose
one
within
that
pre-approved
adu-
and
this
is
consistent
throughout
any
pre-approving
view-
plans
that
that
any
jurisdiction
has
prepared
your
program
need
yourself.
G
So
what
is
the
route
for
getting
a
pre-approved
edu
design
in
so
what
first
happens
that
a
vendor
will
submit
a
design
for
adu
to
the
building
department,
pretty
much
as
a
as
a
as
a
building
permit
the
plan?
The
plans
are
thus
are
then
routed
to
various
departments
for
review
and
approval
for
building
code
and
fire
safety,
if
approved,
the
vendor
and
design
are
listed
on.
The
city's
web
page
approved
design
is
also
kept
on
file
with
the
building
permit,
with
the
building
through
the
building
department
or
building
division.
G
The
building
permit
application
review
is
interviewed
for
compliance
with
zoning
related
issues.
So
once
the
again,
once
the
homeowner
chooses
one
they
can
they
go
through
that
process
of
submitting
the
pre-approved
plan
with
the
boundary
surveying
site
plan
and
then
the
building
permit
is
issued.
You
know
our
thought
is
that
this
would
this
could
eliminate
at
least
a
couple
weeks
worth
of
review
time
or
more
for
the
pre-approved
baby
ad
to
be
reviewed
and
applications,
but
it
needed
time
to
application
submitted.
G
So
this
is
the
web
page.
We
have
right
now
on
the
on
the
c's
website
and
I
think
there
was
a
link
on
this
on
the
staff
report
as
well.
Let
me
just
click
on
it
to
show
you
what
we
have
here.
G
G
G
So
I
chose
a
couple
addresses
one
that
can
be
applied
for
the
one
that
is
eligible
and
one
that's
not
eligible
just
to
show
you
how
it
how
it
functions
if
you
type
in
this
address
right
here,
so
I
just
chose
a
few
randomly.
G
G
So
what
happens
that?
What
automatically
happens
is
the
zoning
will
pop
up
as
well
as
a
message.
That's
automatically
generated
to
say
that
this
property
may
qualify
for
a
pre-approved
video,
but
regardless
of
whether
it's
you
can't
have
one
or
you
can't
have
one,
we
still
encourage
folks
to
speak
to
staff
anyways.
G
So
it
talks
about
your
zoning
and
also
the
geologic
hazard
zone,
just
to
confirm
that
it
does
meet
that
criteria.
So
you
can
see
this
at
this
residence
that
they're
an
r110,
so
there's
a
single
family
neighborhood
and
there
within
the
valley
floor,
geologic
zone
further,
we
have
them.
You
can
map
out
where
your
property
is
within
the
city
as
well
and
in
fact
in
case
someone
does
call
in
without
going
to
the
web
page.
Usa
staff
can
use
this
function
as
well
to
see
if
they
do
to
do
qualify.
G
G
It
doesn't
you
wouldn't
qualify
and
then
where?
Where
would
where
in
the
web
page?
Will
we
list
our
vendors?
We
have
this
widget
right
here
again.
We
don't
have
any
vendors
right
now
at
this
point.
So
but
ideally
we
would
put
the
preventers
here
with
the
description
of
what
the
plants
are
and
probably
a
link
a
pdf
showing
what
the
plants
are
as
well
with
the
vendor's
contact
and
wood.
G
Next
one,
on
top
of
this,
for
the
last
I
would
say,
probably
last
year,
we've
had
we've
also
had
handouts
that
helped
the
in
the
applicant
for
adu,
pre-approved
or
just
a
regular
adu
learn
about
the
city's
development
standards
for
adus,
as
well
as
the
steps
to
a
complete
adu
process.
G
So
how
are
we
doing
with
edu
production
within
the
city
so
again,
with
the
current
housing
element
cycle
2014
to
december
2021?
I'm
sorry
2014
to
2022.
our
our
prediction
was
that
we
would
have
the
3280
use
throughout
the
year
program.
G
Well,
what
we
have
at
this
point
from
2014
to
august
3rd
2021.
The
last
time
I
pulled
the
data
was
that
we've
approved
118
edus
throughout
the
city,
and
you
can
see
the
breakdown
of
the
types
of
adus,
whether
they're
cash
or
converted,
livable,
space
and
or
and
or
detached
so
start
from
2014.
You
can
see
that
there's
been
an
increase
steadily
over
the
years
and
as
of
now
2021
seems
to
be
our
most
productive
year.
G
G
As
you
can
see,
this
is
the
breakdown
between
two
years
with
45
approved
units
right
there
we
haven't
had
any
jdus
so
which
is
a
little
interesting
for
for
us.
We
have
various
ideas
why,
but
we
don't
have
any.
G
So
at
this
point,
that's
my
presentation.
If
you
have
any
questions
or
comments,
this
is
what
this
time
is
allowed
for,
to
getting
suggestions
as
to
how
the
staff
can
improve
the
web
page
or
possibly
make
the
process
a
little
more
smooth
for
the
applicant
or
any
answer
any
questions
about
how
we,
you
know
currently
approve
adus
and
any
trends
we
might
see
and
any
just
any
thoughts
you
might
have.
So
thank
you
for.
Let
me
share
this.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
before
we
go
to
planning
commission,
let's
go
to
participants,
I
see
one
hand
raised
and
that
is
lisa
warren
welcome!
Lisa!
You
have
three
minutes.
Oh
now
I
see
three
hands
raised
so
it'll
be
lisa.
Warren,
followed
by
jennifer
griffin,
followed
by
connie.
Cunningham
welcome,
lisa.
I
Thank
you.
So
actually,
I
have
a
question
about
john's
comment
about
no
junior
adus.
I
distinctly
remember
a
project
that
was
appealed
in
the
north
bulani
area,
where
there
is
a
jadu
involved
anyway.
Aside
from
that
in
johns
slides
the
image
of
what
I
assume
to
be
a
pre-approved
unit,
is
it's
really
disappointing?
It's
really
worrisome
actually
that
that
image,
if
I'm
seeing
it
correctly,
shows
a
shed
roof
which
I'm
assuming
I
think
it's
an
18
foot
height
limit.
I
So
I'm
assuming
the
high
point
of
that
shed
roof
is
at
18
feet
and
it's
on
the
property
line
side.
That's
just
wrong!
That
isn't
something
that
should
be
encouraged.
If
so,
if
I'm
not
right
about
what
that
image
shows,
let
me
know
please,
but
if
I'm
right,
please
do
something
about
it.
This
was
mentioned
by
a
few
people
in
prior
meetings
that,
if
you're
going
to
have
designs
with
the
shed
roof,
that
height
should
not
be
at
the
property
line.
With
a
four
foot
setback
minus
the
e
I
mean.
I
I'm
really
kind
of
sick
to
my
stomach
about
it.
Actually,
so
I
guess
I'd
like
some
clarification
on
that
before
I
say
anything
else,
but
I
don't
know
if
you
can
get
that
clarification
in
this.
A
I
G
Sure
yeah,
you
know
this
is
a
stock
photo
it's
not
from
cupertino.
It's
not
a
problem
to
switch
it
out
with
one
that's
more
more.
In
line
with
what
you
know,
our
ordinance
says.
I
I
don't
know
if
it's
18
feet,
I
don't
think
it's
18
feet
if
it's
pretty
tall-
and
you
know
that
that
fence
is
doesn't
look
like
a
property
line
fence
as
well,
but
again
switching
out
a
photo.
This
is
pretty
easy.
You
know
we
don't
want
to
give
any
misa.
G
G
I
G
C
I
guess
thank
you.
Vice
chair
sharp.
I
addressed
you
correctly.
Thank
you
to
this
staff
for
doing
a
wonderful
job
under
difficult
circumstances.
We
always
yell
at
you,
but
you
guys
did
it
good
job.
I'm
gonna
just
start
out
here
and
say:
first
everybody's
bubble,
I'm
like
debbie
downer
today,
along
with
investigating
all
the
housing
bills.
For
the
last
four
years,
I've
been
watching
the
evolution
of
the
adu
bills
and
I
hate
to
say
this.
They
are
just
as
bad
as
sb50,
sb10,
sb330,
bad,
bad,
bad
anyway.
C
So
much
for
debbie
downer.
I
am
very
concerned
about
the
four
foot
setback
as
echoed
by
lisa.
Believe
me,
if
I
found
out,
somebody
was
building
that
thing
four
feet
from
my
property
line.
I
would
immediately
hire
a
surveyor
to
survey
all
four
property
lines
in
my
yard.
I'm
on
a
small
lot.
You
know
every
ounce
of
land
in
these
lots
5000
square
feet,
my
mother's
on
a
4
500
square
foot
on
sand
embankment
in
rio
del
mar
surveyed
in
1920.
C
It's
kind
of
like
monitor,
inspiration,
point
you!
You
just
can't
put
things
in
places
in
the
backyard
that
close
to
the
the
fence,
and
I
will
say
right
now.
I
think
that
the
people
that
wrote
these
adu
bills
had
zero
planning
experience.
It's
like
mr
real
estate
agent
came
in
and
I'm
sorry
lisa,
I'm
sorry,
mr
mr
mr
developer
or
ms
developer
came
in
and
said
I
want
to
build
four
feet
from
the
property
line.
They
wrote
it
into
the
bill.
It's
not
safe.
C
It
doesn't
make
any
sense
and
we're,
since
we're
not
allowed
to
vote
on
these
stupid
bills
and
pardon
my
english
we're
voicing
our
appea
our
disapproval.
Now
yeah
I'd
spend
five
thousand
dollars
to
get
a
surveyor.
I
don't
want
that
thing
anywhere
near
my
property
line.
Thank
god.
I
have
pg
e
clearances
across
two
parts
of
my
property.
The
other
thing
is
what
is
going
on
with
the
parking
issues
with
with
the
adus.
C
That's
another
brain
dead
thing
that
they
wrote
into
these
adu
bills,
no
parking!
You
know
where
the
people
have
to
park
on
this
street.
My
mother
right
now,
two
houses
from
her
has
a
brand
new
adu.
They
generate
three
cars
and
they
park
on
the
road
right
in
front
of
her
house
on
a
hillside
and
across
across
the
street,
from
her
is
a
very
nice
airbnb
and
their
people
park
on
the
road.
My
brother
in
portland,
has
four
adus
went
in
in
the
last
year
and
a
half.
C
1920
neighborhood
single
family
homes,
4
500
square
foot
logs,
they
have
at
least
10
cars
parking
on
their
road
because
they
don't
have
to
park
on
the
property.
Let's
get
these
adu
bills
right.
If
we're
gonna
have
to
suffer
them,
I
just
I'm
not
a
fan
and
it's
getting
worse.
Thank
you.
B
Well,
good
evening,
chair
and
commissioners-
and
I
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
john
martier
for
the
work
that
he
has
done
on
this.
I
happened
actually
to
have
met
john
on
like
the
first
year.
These
things
were
approved
and
I
had
read
it
in
the
paper
and
I
was
quite
excited
about
the
idea
that
homeowners
would
be
able
to
to
work
with
their
properties
and
to
help
them
grow
their
families
in
a
good
place
and
to
be
able
to
to
help
their
their
senior
parents
and
so
forth.
B
So
I
was
quite
excited
about
it
and
went
down.
It
was
in
2017
to
speak
to
the
housing
commission
because
they
were
having
a
a
session
study
session
on
it,
and
I
gave
them
my
my
my
opinions
and
then
I
actually
met
john
afterwards
and
gave
him
my
opinions
there
and
I've
been
to
a
number
of
various.
We
call
them
conferences
and
things
talking
about
adus,
and
I
I
do
know
that
there
are
some
some
issues
with
them
and
we've
heard
them
talked
about
tonight.
B
But
I
think
there
are
some
very
positive
aspects
of
adus
which
I
wanted
to
bring
up,
which
is
it
allows
homeowners,
some
flexibility
when
they
can't
afford
to
leave
or
something,
but
they
want
to
provide
for
for
their
family
so
anyway.
Thank
you
very
much,
john
martier,
and
thank
you
to
the
planning
commission.
I'm
sure
that
we
can
work
out
the
details
and
that
will
be
have
a
very
fine
adu
process
here
in
cupertino
and
some
very
good
looking
ones
at
the
end.
Thank
you
and
that's
the
end
of
my
comments.
A
Okay,
thank
you
connie.
Now
we
will
bring
it
back
to
the
planning
commission
members.
If
anyone
would
like
to
speak
on
this
go
ahead
and
raise
your
hand,
let
me
expand
this
okay.
E
Thank
you
voice,
chairs,
stephen
shaw.
I
have
a
few
questions
to
john.
So
you
said
we
approved
so
far.
120
plus
adus,
since
we
went
live
with
this
program.
Is
that
correct.
E
G
G
You
know
what
that's
a
good,
that's
a
great
question.
I
I
can
look
into
it
for
the
for
moon.
Follow
with
council,
I'm
assuming
most
from
2020
to
2014.
Those
have
probably
been
built
out
in
2021
was
from
2021
are
probably
still
in
construction,
but
that's
a
good.
I
can
look
that
up.
D
I
can
add
some
context
about
why
we
expect
the
32
to
be
built
in
this
atria
season
season
in
this
eight-year
cycle.
It
was
because
atd
limited
us
to
assuming
that
the
same
number
that
was
built
in
the
prior
housing
element
cycle
would
be
built
in
the
following
housing
online
cycle.
So
in
essence,
between
2007
and
2014,
we
only
had
32
adults
built
and
so
hcd
basically
said.
D
E
So
so,
from
what
we
expected,
which
is
you
know
what
we
ended
up
with
approving
seems,
like
you
know,
we
did
nearly
you
know
four
times
you
know
which
is,
you
know
great
success,
so
it's
my
understanding
that
you
know
the
adus
count
towards
the
housing
element
right,
so
whatever
that
we
need
to
build.
So
what
are
we
expecting
from
this?
You
know
pre-approved
eid
program
in
terms
of
no
success
assuming
that
we
go
live
with
this.
G
A
specific
number,
no,
you
know
my
conversation
with
the
city
of
san
jose,
for
example,
they've
in
a
couple
years,
they've
approved
15,
further
adus
that
were
from
directly
from
this
program.
You
know,
of
course,.
E
15
in
in
a
year.
G
Except
just
from
their
just
from
their
specific
adu
out
of
pre-approved,
pre-approved.
E
No,
I'm
not
expecting
this
number
to
outshift
that
one
I'm
just
trying
to
see.
You
know
what
percentage
like,
for
example,
you
know
is
this
cannibalizing,
you
know
the
other
program
or
you
know,
is
this
war
and
above
you
know
what
they
were
doing
so
right.
So
if
you
look
at
you
know
our
numbers,
we
were
in
steady
state,
you
know
15
to
25
every
year
now
we
were
approving.
D
Maybe
I
can
try
to
answer
that
a
little
bit
the
the
stick
build.
You
know
people
build
stick
field
for
a
variety
of
reasons
which
is
you
know
it
matches
their
home,
whatever
else
that
they
have,
the
pre-approved
edu
will
really
be
you
know
already
pre-designed
and
will
have
a
certain
form
and
the
materials
that
kind
of
go
on
it,
and
so
it
would
just
shorten
the
the
process.
The
review
process
of
getting
it
approved,
a
stick
build
would
be
approved
from
scratch.
Essentially,
the
building
department
would
look
at
all
the
calculations.
D
The
structural
calculations,
title
24,
all
those
other
things,
and
that
takes
a
few
minutes.
It
could
take
multiple
rounds
of
review,
for
example,
but
with
the
pre-approved
adu
program
that
part,
which
is
the
building
department
side,
will
already
have
been
approved.
So
the
only
thing
that
we
would
be
looking
at
when
they
come
in
with
plans
would
be
the
site
plan
to
make
sure
that
the
you
know
that
it's
cited
correctly.
E
Okay,
so
one
last
question
where's
chair,
so
this
is
this
is
something
that
now
I've
been
thinking
about
for
a
while,
so
I
just
want
to
put
it
out
there
right.
Can
we
look
at
you
know
some
ways
where
you
know
we
can
encourage
more
adu,
build
outs
because,
I'm
generally
in
favor
of
you
know
giving
more
options
for
residents
right.
E
We
we
know
that
you
know
we
have
aging
population
and
you
know
they
want
to
age
in
place,
and
so
it's
good
to
have
you
know
for
them
to
help
on
site,
and
you
know
it
works
out
in
the
long
run
right.
So
adu
is
not
a
bad
idea.
So,
if
you
want
to
encourage
you
know
everyone
to
build
adu.
So
what
are
the
things
that
we
can
do
like
you
know?
E
E
The
housing
element
numbers
that
we
have
in
a
huge
number
in
front
of
us,
and
also
you
know
it,
helps
our
residents
to
cater
to
their
needs
right
at
the
end
of
the
day.
You
know
we're
all
here
now
to
help
serve
our
residents
right.
So,
but
just
you
know
a
thought.
That's
been
in
back
of
my
mind.
You
know
for
for
a
while.
I
just
want
to
put
it
out
there.
Thank
you.
A
You
did
next
vikram,
do
you
have
anything.
H
I
wanted
to
know
about
the
process
a
little
bit
more.
G
I
mean
it's
really
through
the
building
code
process.
You
know
every
every
pre-approved
adu,
just
speaking
of
the
pre-approved
adus,
even
even
the
ones
that
aren't
pre-approved,
have
to
meet
building
standards,
there'll
be
permits
of
building
code
standards,
both
fire
code
and
whatnot,
so
the
pre-approved
process
doesn't
exempt
you
from
those
at
all,
and
in
fact
one
of
the
things
I
neglected
to
mention
is
that
every
time
the
building
code
is
updated,
which
is
every
three
years,
those
pre-approved
plans
should
be
updated
as
well.
So
we
would.
G
The
building
department
would
reach
out
to
those
those
vendors
and
say
you
know
you
will
probably
have
to
update
it
because
of
such
and
such
reasons.
Maybe
they
don't.
Maybe
the
update
building
code
won't
affect
it
at
all,
but
if
it
does,
they
would
have
to
resubmit
and
go
through
that
process.
One
more
time
the
process,
there's
no
state
standard
for
actually
applying.
G
I
mean,
there's,
definitely
consistent
standards
throughout
the
state
of
california
for
every
jurisdiction.
It's
a
regular
building.
Permit,
there's
no
discretionary
review
of
these
adus.
It's
really
ministerial.
If
you
meet
the
code,
if
you
meet
the
objective
standards
of
the
zoning
ordinance
for
adus,
such
as
setbacks
and
height,
it's
purely
ministerial,
okay,.
H
I
think
the
second
question
I
had
was
that
is
the
plan
approval
for
a
certain
style,
or
is
it
down
to
the
last
inch
like?
Can
you
move
a
window,
six
inch
left
or
right
or
like?
How
does
it
work
like?
What
does
it
mean.
G
So
that,
for
a
pre-approved
plan
we
would
give
there
is
some
flexibility
build
in
if
it's
just
because
I
want
to
move
a
window
a
little
bit.
You
know
if
he
is.
I
really
like
this
pre-approved
plan,
but
I
want
to
move
the
window
or
make
it
a
little
bit
larger.
G
There
is
some
flexibility
built
in
with
that,
as
long
as
it
doesn't
structurally
change
the
integrity
of
the
building
that
that
they
would
have
to
have
be
re-reviewed.
But,
yes,
there
was
some
flexibility
built
in.
I
don't
have
a
certain
percentage
like
look
at
what
percent
does
it
have
to
be?
But
it's
it
is
minimal,
because
you
know
once
you
start
making
larger
changes
it.
It
does
impact
the
integrity
of
the
and.
H
H
G
So,
in
that
case,
you
would
have
a
letter
from
the
architect
or
your
your
designer
that
would
state
that
here's
here
are
the
deviations
that
are
part
of
the
that
from
the
pre-approved
plans.
However,
these
aren't
structurally
these
deviations
don't
violate
any
structural
integrity
of
what's
been
for
you.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
kapil:
do
you
have
anything.
F
Yeah
just
two
questions
on
this
thing:
is
there
a
kind
of
a
file
safety
guideline
for
idiots
which
basically
is
inbuilt
into
the.
F
Ins
into
the
standard
which
city
has
put
up
for
the
developers
to
build
pre,
pre
fabricated
radios
for
the
houses,
and
I
mean
what
does
that
entail.
Basically,
I
I
did
hear
one
concern
that
from
the
boundary
line
it's
four
feet
or
whatever
setback
and
just
thought
about
it
is
about
the
fire.
Does
that
setback
actually
takes
into
account
some
kind
of
a
fire
safety
for
the
neighbors,
where,
wherever.
G
Sure,
and
then
you
know
again,
even
you
know
each
pre-approved
plan
before
it's
allowed.
It
is
reviewed
by
all
departments,
including
the
fire
department.
What
not
once
the
the
homeowner
comes
in
and
submits
an
application
with
using
a
pre-approved
plan.
Again
staff
does
look
at
the
setbacks.
I
mean
that's
a
it's
as
few
had
elaborated
or
discussed
earlier.
You
know
we
will
look
at
the
setbacks
now
if
those
setbacks
do
trigger
some
type
of
different
type
of
fire
rated
materials,
for
example,
it's
too
close
to
the
property
line.
G
You
know
if
it's
closer
to
the
property
line,
then
if
a
certain
distance
does
trigger
fire-rated
materials,
that
would
be
a
comment
that
would
come
back,
saying:
you're
you're,
proposing
this
detached
structure
that
detached
unit.
That
is
just
feet
away
from
the
property
line.
You
have
to
actually
add
this
fire
rated
wall
at
this
level.
I
I
don't
know
specifically
what
that
is,
but
we
would
take
that
consideration.
F
I
mean
one
is
the
setback
and
another
is
about
the
material
are
used
on
the
edu
or
there
could
be
another
considerations
too.
I
mean
which
I'm
not
very
conversant
with,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
there
is
kind
of
a
guideline
which
is
that
that
being
idu
out
there
it
does
not
endanger
the
neighboring
properties
because
of
its
existence
over
there
in
case
the
mishap
happens,
so
is
there
is
something
baked
in
inside
the
guidelines
for
the
foreign
specifically.
G
Absolutely
you
know
when
you
know
the
any
applicant
for
any
structure
has
to
has
to
abide
by
the
you
know
the
building
code,
the
residential
code,
as
well
as
the
fire
code
as
well,
and
all
departments
are
involved
in
in
reviewing
that
health.
Even
in
the
state
mandate,
health
and
safety
standards
are
are
or
one
of
the
ways
that
they're
non-negotiable.
You
know
they're
not
discretionary
at
all,
so
you
have
to
meet
those
and
that's
pretty
clear
in
the
in
the
state
state
law
as
well.
D
Yeah,
if
I
may
add
just
one
thing
prior
to
the
state,
mandating
that
the
setbacks
were
even
used
being
four
fleet,
the
city
allowed
accessory
structures,
including
me
to
use
his
closest
cool
feet
to
the
property
mine,
so
this
is
a
little
better
for
the
neighbors.
D
Actually,
but
aside
from
that,
yes,
as
john
stated,
you
know
all
the
the
fire
codes
certainly
specifies,
and
the
building
field
also
specifies
what
kind
of
materials
can
be
used
if
you
get
within
a
certain
distance
of
the
property
line,
so
any
building
that's
put
up
placed
close
to
the
property
line
would
have
to
be
rated
and
ruled
with
those
materials,
and
that
is
reviewed
as
part
of
the
process.
F
I
had
one
more
question
about
so
these
edu's
homeowners
can
rent
right.
F
So
is
there
some
kind
of
a
density
consideration
of
that
neighborhood,
taken
into
account
that
how
many
people
can
like
how
many
cars
parking
spaces
taken
on
that
road?
How
many
people
can
live
in
that
adu?
And
things
like
that?
I
mean
the
bottom
line:
is
that
yeah
for?
F
G
G
As
adu
is
our
ministerial
process,
there's
no
notification
or
neighbors,
and
that's
that's
typical
for
any
any
type
of
ministerial
permit,
such
as
a
building
permit
in
terms
of
public
comment,
neighbor
comment
and
whatnot.
G
We
do
have
cases
where
a
neighbor
will
call
if
they're
concerned-
and
you
know
we
will
be
happy
to
discuss
the
project
with
them
and
let
them
know
and
address
our
concerns,
of
course,
in
terms
of
cars
being
parked
there.
You
know
the
city's
ordinance
municipal
code
does
have
limits
on
cars.
We
can't
require
further
parking
for
adus,
but
there
are
limits
on
cars
on
on
a
property
that
are
stored.
G
You
know
public
the
streets
are
in
public
right
away,
so
we
don't
have
limits
on
the
amount
of
cars
parked
on
the
street,
but
we
do
have
time
limits
in
which
a
car
may
be
parked
on
the
streets,
such
as
72
hours,
that
car
has
to
move
and
what
not?
I
think
that
the
answers.
F
F
I
mean
the
some
random
random
cars
come
in
on
the
and
gets
fogged
every
day,
so
you
can
pack
them
that
this
car
belongs
to
this
person
or
this
house
and
because
every
day
maybe
somebody
is
coming
with
their
own
kind
of
a
new
tenant
comes
in
and
he
pocket.
F
G
Sure,
and
just
to
address
that
comment,
commissioner
kapil,
the
state
has
mandated
that
these
any
adu
weathers
you
know
detached
attached.
J2
cannot
be
used
for
short-term
rentals,
so
an
airbnb.
If
it's
if
airbnb
is
advertising
it
as
a
rental
for
under
30
days,
that'll
be
in
violation
not
just
in
the
city's
ordinance,
but
also
state
law.
So
if
you
are
to
rent
out
an
adu,
it
would
have.
A
So
that
state
law
for
no
short-term
rentals
is
that
retroactive
to
cottages
and
things
that
existed
prior
to
the
adu
law
being
passed.
A
Right,
I'm
just
thinking
right,
I'm
thinking
you
know
I
have
a
relative
in
la
who
bought
a
house
with
a
cottage
in
the
back
and
yeah
that
is
rented
out
as
an
airbnb
virtually
every
day,
and
I
just
wonder
if
the
state
is
saying:
okay
now
that
we're
going
to
call
that
an
adu,
and
you
can
no
longer
do
that
or
because
it's
existed
for
many
decades,
that
it
remains
okay,.
G
You
know
my
interpretation,
new
staff's
interpretation,
at
least
my
my
belief
of
what
staff's
interpretation
is
that
we
would.
We
would
not
grandfather
in
any
type
of
any
use
like
that.
So
if
it's,
if,
if
that
was
the
case
for
five
years
to
say
my
relative
had
this
out
there
and
it's
an
airbnb
or
vrbo
that
that
has
changed
since
state
laws
come
out.
A
Right
because
I
know
you
know
this
is
in
los
angeles
and
it's
actually
quite
an
elaborate
thing
to
get
permitted
to
do
in
adu
I
mean
to
do
it
any
airbnb,
whether
it's
your
own
house
or
whether
it's
accessory
structure
but
yeah,
that's
interesting,
then,
okay,
so
I
had
two
other
questions
for
the
pre-approved
vendors,
such
as:
what's
happened
in
san
jose.
A
Are
they
offering
a
variety
of
sizes
in
both
750
sub
750
and
greater
than
750
square
foot
units
you
know
based
on
when
the
fees
kick
in.
G
A
No
that's:
okay!
Yeah!
I
can
do
that.
I
don't
need
to
hold
up
the
meeting
for
that
and
you
may
not
be
able
to
answer
this,
but
I
wonder:
does
the
assessed
value
of
the
property
increase
by
the
same
amount
of
the
cost
of
constructing
the
adu?
So
if
you're
spending
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
add
an
adu,
does
your
property
value
increase
by
300,
000
and
you're
taxed
on
that.
G
F
A
F
A
Can
go,
ask
larry
guy.
I
can't
remember.
A
Larry
stone
about
that
and
then
mooney
mentioned
regarding
fees.
So
personally
you
know
we
only
charge
fees
based
on
the
city's
costs.
That's
all
we're
legally
allowed
to
charge.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
the
city,
if
the
residents
that
are
not
building
adu,
should
be
subsidizing
the
fees
for
those
that
are
building
them.
I'd
rather
see
some
state
program
that
that
that
would
pick
up
those
fee
costs.
Since
the
state
is
the
primary
driver
behind
these
adu
laws.
A
If
they
want
to
promote
them,
then
I
think
they
could
subsidize
those
fees
and
then
jennifer
was
talking
about
parking.
So
I
used
to
live
in
daly
city
and
I
have
relatives
in
san
francisco,
so
it
generally
happens
there
in
both
places.
I
live.
There's
a
high
percentage
of
houses
with
adus,
some
legal,
some,
not
legal,
often
converting
part
or
all
of
a
garage.
A
So
not
only
does
the
occupant
of
the
main
house
not
now
not
park
in
the
garage,
but
on
the
street.
You
also
have
the
adu
residents
parking
on
the
street
so
before
you
could
have
had
two
cars
in
a
garage.
Now
you
have
four
or
more
more
cars
on
the
street
and
what
the
end
result
is
is
the
city
has
to
put
in
permit
parking
and
each
each
parcel
would
be
entitled
to
a
limited
number
of
permits.
A
So
you
couldn't
get
six
permits,
I
think
maybe
you
can
get
two
permits
per
parcel
and
that's
how
they
address
the
the
parking
situation
now,
of
course,
that
makes
people
park
further
and
further
away
where
there
isn't
permanent
parking.
A
But
you
know
that's
something
we
have
to
live
with
and
and
the
other
issues
I
looked
into,
my
wife
was
interested
in
adu,
so
I
looked
into
it.
You
know,
even
though
I
think
you
said
we
have
125
in
the
last,
how
many
years,
six
years.
A
A
You
realize
that
if
you're,
if
you're
doing
it
as
a
rental
unit
for
income
property,
you
may
as
well
just
forget
it,
because
the
cost
is
so
high.
We
were
quoted
about
for
an
800
square
foot.
It
was
like
325
000,
you
know,
plus
your
property
tax
goes
up,
you
have
maintenance
and
also,
I
think
very
few
people
will
be
building
them
for
rental
income,
they'll
be
building
them
for
family
members,
parents
or
children
whatever.
A
A
Yeah,
I
guess
I
guess
that
is
it.
So
thank
you
for
your
the
study
session
and
yeah.
Hopefully
those
units
will
be
built
and
will
contribute
to
our
housing
element
for
this
cycle
and
and
for
future
cycles.
A
A
F
A
E
No
so
I
attended
a
session
today
it
was
the
email
came
and
you
know
I
registered
and
it
was
a
league
of
cities
in
california.
I
think
there
were
quite
a
few
mayors
and
others
now
we're
talking,
and
this
is
primarily.
G
E
Now
bill
ab9,
that's
coming
up
sp9
sb9,
so
I
believe
you
know
it's
on
the
assembly
floor
and
there
was
discussion
about
you
know,
calling
the
smb
members
and
asking
them
to
vote
against
it
and
the
bunch
of
reasoning
that
they
were
giving.
You
know
why
it's
a
bad
bill.
They're.
E
And
and
so
so
that's
just
you
know
what
I
gathered.
A
Okay,
I
guess
it
is
on
to
me,
then,
okay,
so
this
afternoon,
at
1
pm,
I
was
on
a
zoom
call
with
a
member
of
assembly,
evan
lowe's
staff,
and
this
was
regarding
sv10.
Since
sb
9
has
already
been
voted
out
of
appropriations
at
the
assembly.
Now
it's
sb10
and
I
have
to
say
it
was
to
say
the
least
disappointing.
A
We
have
right
now
so
assembly
member
low
did
vote
in
favor
of
sb9
and
he
was
sb10
is
coming
up
soon
and
it
was
disappointing
because
the
staff
member
really
did
not
understand
anything
about
the
bills
and
how
they
do
not
provide
for
additional,
affordable
housing
and
she
was
promoting
the
whole
trickle-down
theory
where
we're
going
to
build
market
rate
housing
and
eventually
will
either
be
so
much
of
it.
A
It'll
become
affordable
or
it
will
deteriorate
to
the
point
where
it's
no
longer
luxury
housing
and
then
it
will
be
affordable
in
that
way,
and
I
was
reading
the
housing
as
human
right
website.
This
is
an
affordable
housing,
advocacy
organization,
they've
come
out
strongly
against
sb9
and
sb10,
and
they
did
polling
showing
a
very
large
majority
of
californians
oppose
these
bills,
mainly
because
of
the
displacement
and
gentrification
and
additional
homelessness
that
they
will
end
up,
causing
the
staff.
A
Member
also
was
trying
to
talk
about
climate
change
and
how
high
density
housing
would
be
affect
climate
change
when
actually
it's
the
opposite.
It's
the
sustainable
housing
is
the
low
density
housing
where
you
can
have
solar
panels
and
clotheslines
and
all
to
reduce
your
energy
use.
But
I
think
we'll
see
more
of
that
kind
of
narrative
where
oh,
we
need
to
approve
sp,
9
and
10
because
of
climate
change,
which
is
definitely
a
false
narrative.
A
The
staff
member
also
inquired
as
to
the
sb
velco
project,
but
that
is
not
up
to
the
planning
commission
at
this
point.
As
many
people
know,
the
three-year
approval
expires
next
month
and
the
city
does
have
discretion
to
grant
another
year.
It's
not
required,
and
that
will
be
up
to
the
city,
council
and
staff.
It
it's
actually
not
clear
whether
it's
ministerial
or
the
city
council
gets
involved,
but
whatever
it
is,
the
planning
commission
would
not
be
involved
in
that.
So
I
told
her.
A
I
really
couldn't
comment
as
to
what
actions
the
city
would
do,
and
that
is
it.
That
is
all
I
have
we
can
go.
Let
me
go
back
okay,
I
guess.
If
nobody
has
anything
else,
we
are
ready
to
return.
So
thank
you.
Everyone
for
attending.
We
did
it
in
one
hour
very
good
goodbye.
Everybody
have
a
good
night.