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From YouTube: 12-6-18 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Plan and Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, Dec. 6, 2018 in Des Moines, Iowa.
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A
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission,
it's
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
City
Council.
The
City
Council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
Commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plots
unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
Community
Development
Department
staff
for
details
on
council
hearings.
A
Applicant
will
be
given
ten
minutes
to
present
the
request
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes
applicant
is
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
Commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
All
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manners.
A
Please
notify
us
at
least
three
business
days
in
advance
at
five
one,
five,
two
eight
three,
four
two,
oh
nine,
should
special
accommodations
be
required.
Assistive
listening
devices
are
available
for
meetings
in
the
council,
chambers,
Planning
and
Zoning.
Commission
meetings
are
broadcast
on
Mediacom,
cable
channel
seven
point
one
or
seven
point
two
for
customers
with
that
service
transportation
for
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
can
be
scheduled
to
and
from
Dart
Central
Station
at
six
twenty
Cherry
Street
to
reserve
your
route.
Please
call
dart
on-call
scheduling
at
five
one.
A
Five:
two
eight
three,
eight
one,
three
six
calls
for
trips
will
be
accepted
until
5:00
p.m.
of
the
day.
Prior
to
the
meeting,
please
be
sure
to
mention
in
your
request
that
you
require
transportation
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
at
this
location.
This
notice
is
intended
to
comply
with
accessibility
requirement
of
the
Americans
with
disability,
Disabilities,
Act
and
I
believe
we
have
a
quorum
and
we
love
them.
Our
chair,
Janice
Thank,.
B
D
B
E
Ahead,
chair
members
of
the
Commission
Jason
baños
and
City
Planning
staff,
as
everybody
gets
settled,
we
do
have
some
updates
and
with
regard
to
the
agenda,
consent,
incent
items,
some
items
that
need
to
be
continued
at
early,
so
being
requested
to
be
continued.
So
what
I'm
gonna
do
is
just
go
ahead
and
walk
us
through
that
right
now,
so
we
have
11
items
on
the
agenda
items
1
through
7
are
on
the
consent
agenda.
E
E
As
requested
that
their
item
be
continued
to
the
December
20th
meeting,
so
that's
a
continuation
request.
Staff
supports
that
item
nine
is
they
are
an
agreement
with
the
staff
recommendation
and
are
agreeable
to
having
that
item
move
to
the
consent
agenda.
So
item
nine
can
go
to
the
consent
item.
Ten
is
another
item.
There
is
a
revised
staff
report.
That's
in
front
of
you.
We
had
some
clarification
and
some
language
nothing
related
to
much
the
content.
There
was
a
an
element,
architectural
feature
that
we
didn't
notice.
E
Initially,
we
did
add
that
to
the
discussion
in
the
staff
report,
so
it's
element
at
the
northeast
portion,
the
building
and
then
so.
This
is
the
revised
staff
practice
in
front
of
you.
So
we
added
that
discussion.
There
we
had
some
language
that
kind
of
contradicted
itself
a
little
bit
item
two.
We
struck
the
reference
260
feet
and
left
it
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
city
engineer
because
it
may
end
up
being
less
than
60
in
order
to
get
it
work
right.
E
E
The
applicant
is
reviewing
that
currently
against
their
draft
signage
program
and
since
their
signings
program
is
in
a
draft
state,
it's
unknown
at
this
time
they
may
seek
to
rezone
or
remove
that
zoning
condition.
But
that's
a
decision
to
be
made
later
they'd
have
to
submit
an
application,
and
so,
in
order
not
to
muddy
the
water
tonight.
Why
we're
just
reviewing
the
site
plan?
We
are
recommending
to
strike
that
language
and
just
leave
on
the
site
plan
a
reference
to
the
freestanding
sign
overlay
district.
So
that's
the
change
to
item
10.
F
E
Item
11
is
a
another
request
for
continuation.
The
applicant
is
hoping
to
meet
with
staff
to
discuss
their
staff
report
a
little
further.
We
did
recommend
denial,
so
we
are,
they
are
requesting
that
we
continued
to
December
20th
and
staff
is
supportive
of
that
request.
So
just
quickly
again,
eight
is
a
continuation
of
the
20th,
nine
consent,
ten
consent
and
eleven
continuation
of
the
20th.
E
E
B
E
B
All
right,
so
it's
their
motion
to
move
item
number
eight
to
consent,
I
mean
I'm,
sorry
to
continue
to
xx.
Thank
you.
Dan.
All
those
in
favor
of
moving
item
number
eight
from
tonight's
agenda,
continue
to
December
20th,
please
signify
by
raising
my
hand,
okay,
thank
you
and
so
item
number
11
its
request
from
Jay
s,
Baker
properties
to
rezone
property
located
2800
University
is
the
applicant
with
us
tonight
and
you
believe
that
they
are
agreeable.
B
Right
is
it
whether
anyone
here
in
the
audience
tonight
that
wanted
to
speak
to
this
item
all
right?
It's
a
motion
from
the
Commission
to
move
item
number
11
to
continue
to
the
December
20th
meeting.
Oh!
Thank
you!
All!
Those
in
favor
of
continuing
item
number
1111
to
December
20th!
Please
signify
by
raising
your
hand
all
right.
Okay!
So
now
we
will
read
through
a
weight
we
need
to
with
the
public
hearing
consent
to
consent.
G
B
Item
number
nine
yeah,
so
item
number
nine,
which
is
a
request
from
each
side,
doing
differences,
Mercy,
Medical,
Center
for
review
and
approval
of
a
site
plan
amendment
to
College
Hill.
Is
the
applicant
here
tonight
all
right
and
are
you
agreeable
to
moving
this
item
to
consent
and
it
was
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
wanted
to
speak
to
this
item
tonight,
all
right,
okay,
so
seeing
man
and
the
applicant
kids
that
he's
agreeable
to
move
to
consent.
Their
motion
from
the
Commission
I.
G
B
B
Right,
and
are
you
agreeable
to
moving
this
item
to
our
consent
agenda?
Thank
you,
and
is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
did
wish
to
hear
this
item
all
right,
seeing
that,
if
their
emotion
from
the
Commission
to
move
this
item
to
consent,
quite
the
PQ?
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
of
moving
item
number
10
to
our
consent
agenda.
B
This
one,
no
all
right
so
for
our
consent
agenda
tonight
we
will
start
with
item
number
one.
This
is
a
request
from
for
review
and
approval
of
preliminary
flat
cap
key
acres
located
on
3191
North
East
46th
Avenue,
within
a
two
mile
distance
for
extraterritorial
review
of
subdivision
plans
by
the
City
of
Des
Moines
to
allow
the
property
to
be
divided
into
three
Lots
on
frontage,
northeast
or
sixth
Avenue
for
residential
development.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item
all
right,
sing
them
I
didn't
remain
on
consent.
B
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
wishes
us
to
receive
you
this
item
all
right?
Seeing
then
this
item
will
remain
on
consent.
Item
number:
three:
is
a
request
for
vacation
of
surface
rights
on
a
four
foot
by
four
foot
segment
on
west
on
the
website
of
Main
Street
adjoining
the
subject:
property
to
accommodate
odorous
wing
encroachment
by
the
existing
building?
Is
there
anyone
of
the
audience
and
wishes
to
hear
this
item
tonight?
B
All
right,
seeing
them
beside
will
remain
on
consent.
Item
number
four
is
a
request
from
1350
East
Washington
for
review
and
approval
of
a
site
plan,
Whittier
school
laughs
under
design
guidelines
for
multiple
family
dwellings,
for
property,
located
at
1350,
he's
Washington
Avenue
to
allow
conversion
of
a
building
to
a
six
unit.
Multiple
family
dwelling.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item
tonight
all
right,
seeing
none
the
sight
of
our
remaining
consent.
B
Item
number
five
was
a
request
from
Blackbird
investments
for
regarding
property
located
at
555
Walnut
Street.
The
request
is
to
allow
vacation
vacation
of
16
foot
by
twenty
four
foot
segment
of
air
rights
over
adjoining
Walnut
Street
to
allow
for
a
swimming
pool
to
extend
from
the
33rd
floor
of
the
proposed
building
and
a
review
and
approval
of
a
site
plan
515
walnut
tower
under
design
guidelines
for
multiple
family
dwellings
to
allow
for
development
of
a
33
story,
building
with
336
residential
units.
B
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item
tonight
all
right,
seeing
that
and
I'm
sorry
I
haven't
asked
the
Commission.
If
there's
any
one
of
them
wishes
us
to
pull
it,
this
item
or
any
of
the
above
all
right
sing
that,
then
this
item
will
remain
on
the
consent
item.
Every
six:
it's
a
request
to
rezone
property
located
11:45
and
1147
24th
Street.
B
This
request
is
to
determine
whether
the
proposed
rezoning
is
important
in
conformance
of
the
existing
plan
des
moines,
the
amendment
to
plan
de
Moines,
future
land-use
from
low
medium
density,
residential
to
neighborhood
mixed-use,
and
to
read
some
property
from
our
161
family
low-density
residential
district
to
MPC,
to
allow
expansion
of
off
street
parking
for
existing
multiple
family
dwellings
in
for
shared
parking
for
nearby
mixed
use.
Is
there
anyone
of
the
audience
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item
tonight,
sir?
You
do
all
right.
B
F
B
Properties
to
rezone
property
located
at
1900,
1904,
1912
and
1914
Southwest
first,
this
is
to
rezone
from
our
three
multiple
family
residential
to
downtown
riverfront
district,
to
allow
redevelopment
of
the
property
for
senior
living
apartments,
with
the
density
of
40
units
per
acre
and
vacation
of
the
north-south
alley
between
Southwest
1st
and
Southwest,
2nd
from
Edison
to
Columbus
Avenue.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
which
supposed
to
pull
this
item
from
consent?
You
do,
though,
the
items
oh
yeah!
Thank
you.
B
Seeing
none
is
there
anyone
on
the
Commission
who
wishes
us
to
pull
this
item
all
right
so
that
item
all
remaining
consent.
Item
number
ten
was
the
request
from
Nelson
development
for
property
located
at
2650,
University
Avenue.
The
applicant
is
agreeable
to
this
item.
Being
I
can
say:
is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item
tonight?
B
A
G
B
B
E
Chair
members
of
Commission,
Jason,
Van,
Essen,
say
planning
staff.
This
is
an
aerial
identifying
the
subject
property
highlight
in
yellow
it's
two
parcels,
both
with
dwellings,
multifamily
dwellings
that
are
converted
houses
or
single-family
dwellings.
The
applicant
also
owns
property
to
the
south
couple
parcels,
including
a
commercial
building
that
immediately
joins
in
a
zoned
MVC.
The
response
cards
are
being
passed
around.
We
had
two
response
cards
in
favor
and
support
that
response
map.
E
The
the
the
purpose
of
the
request
is
to
allow
a
parking
lot
to
be
constructed
to
the
rear
of
these
two
buildings
that
would
serve
the
commercial
property
to
the
south.
As,
along
with
the
multitude
multifamily
buildings
we
do.
This
is
a
rezoning,
so
we're
not
reviewing
a
site
plan
at
this
time,
but
the
applicant
did
give
us
a
site
sketch
to
show
generally
what
it
is
there.
Excuse
me
what
they're
thinking.
So
this
is
their.
E
Facility
building
into
the
South,
you
can
see
the
two
multifamily
buildings
in
a
parking
lot
coming
off
the
alley
with
a
few
stalls.
Trash
enclosure
provide
additional
parking
for
these
buildings,
with
it
being
an
NPC
zoning
request.
If
it
does
get
approved,
this
would
come
back
to
you
for
a
site
plan
review
through
the
NPC
design
guidelines,
so
that
would
come
back.
We'd
have
a
public
hearing
just
like
tonight
for
the
review
of
that.
So
tonight
we're
really
just
focusing
on
whether
or
not
it
makes
sense
to
amend
the
Land
Use
Plan
to
rezone
this.
E
It
staffs
analysis.
We
are
supporting
it.
We
have
some
conditions.
Zoning
conditions
that
we're
offering
this
property
south
is
shown
on
the
future
land
use
map
as
commercial,
it's
zoned
commercial.
You
have
the
commercial
corridor
to
the,
nor,
if
you
have
commercial
zoning
directly
to
the
north,
we
felt
that
it
was
an
appropriate
request
to
support.
E
We
just
have
a
list
of
zoning
conditions,
so
we
are
recommending
approval
and
with
a
long
list
of
items
that
would
be
prohibited
and
I
don't
know
if
this
list
will
look
familiar
to
you
or
not
a
year
or
so
ago
we
had
the
rezoning
request
for
the
studio
facility
to
the
north.
That
was
the
recording
studio.
E
These
are
the
exact
same
zoning
conditions
we
use
there
they're
also
zoning
conditions
that
I
think
were
applied
to
the
Drake
alumni
hall
when
that
came
through
so
prohibiting
a
lot
of
uses,
it
just
don't
make
sense
in
this
kind
of
setting,
so
they're,
not
nothing
out
of
the
ordinary,
except
for
it
just
doesn't
make
sense
here.
The
other
part
of
that
is
that
we
are
recommending
the
signage
be
limited
to
a
c1
level.
Signage
NPC
allows
either
c2
or
c1
depending
on
what
it
was
Dillon
previously,
since
this
was
not
commercially
zoned.
E
E
C
B
E
Full
parking
lot,
I'm,
sorry
with
you,
we
could
have
a
full
parking
lot
and
NPC
zoning
sure
and
I
mean
there's.
Actually
the
primary
use
is
still
there's
multifamily
in
front
of
it,
but
if
it's
associated
with
the
commercial
building
to
the
south,
it's
well,
it's
a
single
owner
can
I
see
that
sketch.
I
J
My
name
is
Robert
Mulvihill
I'm,
the
officer
that
owns
those
four
personals
and
I
submitted
this
request
to
add
more
parking,
just
going
back
the
1147
building
at
the
top
used
to
have
a
driveway
but
Dre
conned
it
and
they
tore
it
up
to
put
grass
on
it.
So
my
tenants
there
park
on
the
street
and
that
normally
wasn't
a
problem,
but
then
I
think
like
2017
Drake,
the
building
to
the
north
started
changed
their
tenant
from
ROTC
to
vote.
J
Smart
and
there's
probably
a
dozen
people
that
work
there
during
the
day
and
so
24th
Street
is
pretty
filled
with
cars
during
the
day
now
used
to
be
kind
of
a
sleepy
street,
but
it's
not
anymore
and
then
to
the
south.
The
1139
building
that
I
own
I'm
starting
a
business
within
like
a
month
or
so
and
I
anticipate
that
to
draw
some
traffic
as
well
so
and
because
of
that,
you
know,
I
have
tennis.
J
F
B
It
was
more
people
I
take
it
that
you
wanted
to
explain
about
the
parking
it
was
helpful.
Thank
you
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much
there.
Anyone
the
audience
also
wishes
to
speak
in
favor
of
this
proposal.
Anyone
who
might
have
questions
Jason
did
you
have
some
dead.
Okay,
so
we're
close
the
public
hearing
permission.
What
is
your
pleasure
on
this
item?.
C
B
E
All
right,
chair
members
of
the
Commission
item,
seven
has
multiple
parts:
Parts,
A
and
B
have
to
do
with
the
land
use
plan
and
an
amendment
to
that
C
is
the
rezoning
and
I'll
get
into
that
a
little
further
and
the
Part
D
is
a
vacation
of
an
alley.
The
rezoning
and
the
alley
are
noticed
separately
and
so
I
have
two
different
response
maps
and
there's
different
response
cards
that
came
back.
A
lot
of
them
were
the
same
people,
but
just
in
case
you
get
there's
a
little
confusion.
E
Just
first
quickly
get
us
oriented.
This
is
excuse
me,
you
know
Avenue
off
to
the
east,
the
raccoon
rivers,
to
the
kind
of
the
north
and
to
the
west,
and
you
know
a
road
see
the
site.
The
site
actually
is
larger,
but
the
rezoning
is
only
affecting
part
of
the
property.
The
property
right
now
is
currently
zoned.
E
This
part
D
our
downtown
riverfront,
so
half
of
the
site
has
already
zoned
the
way
that
the
rest
of
is
proposed
to
be
resumed
to
this
side
is
zoned
r3,
which
a
lot
of
the
land
around
us
is
owned,
r3,
which
is
a
multi-family
zoning
classification,
so
both
of
these
zoning
districts
they're
on
the
ground
today
allow
multifamily
development.
The
other
part
of
the
request
is
the
vacation
and
purchase
of
the
alley
through
the
that's
through
the
middle
vacation
of
right
away.
Request
come
to
you
for
a
recommendation.
E
E
E
Just
quickly
a
couple
photographs
of
the
site,
commercial
building,
residential
building
site
it'd,
be
cleared
for
development.
The
tonight
we
are
discussing
zoning.
They
did
give
us
a
site
sketch
and
building
design
concept.
If
this
gets
rezone
dif
the
project
moves
forward.
It'll
come
back
to
you
for
design
guideline
review,
both
4dr
and
multifamily
design
guidelines.
E
You
know
that
if
they
didn't
even
if
they
didn't
get
rezoning,
they
could
still
move
forward
with
a
multi-family
project
that
would
come
back
to
you
if
it's
split
zoned,
it's
just
a
little
more
cumbersome,
because
our
three
district
has
setback
requirements
of
you
know,
30
or
so
feet
where
a
dr
is
an
urban
type.
Zoning
district
with
minimal
little
to
no
setback
requirement
minimal
setback
requirements
like
the
npc's
zoning
district.
E
E
So
I've
touched
a
little
bit
on
what
the
zoning
is
currently
on
the
ground.
I
do
want
to
show
you
the
land
use
map.
This
is
zoomed
in,
so
you
can
see
that
part
of
their
property
in
this
area
is
already
designated.
This
red,
which
is
this,
is
the
community
mixed
use
district
or
excuse
me
future
land
use
designation.
E
This
kind
of
a
orangish
color
is
the
medium
density
which
in
covers
the
r3,
and
then
you
obviously
have
institutional
destination
for
the
the
church
so
on
on
the
ground.
This
is
what
our
future
land
use
map
is
showing
for
this
area.
Those
of
you
that
may
have
been
on
the
pnz
back
in
2006.
We
did
a
what
was
called
the
two
rivers
district
plan
for
this
area
worked
with
the
neighborhood
group
works,
invited
property
owners
of
that
time
went
through
a
very
long
planning
process.
E
You
know
this
area
was
an
area
that
you
know
it
still
has
industrial
uses.
It
still
has
commercial
uses,
but
it's
a
little
bit
in
a
state
of
flux.
You
know
we've
seen
multifamily
development
back
at
this
time.
We
there
was
a
lot
of
pressure.
Then
things
slowed
down
with
the
economy,
but
things
have
picked
back
up,
but
so
that
the
vision
for
a
while
has
been
to
do
an
urban
for
this
area
to
be
develop
in
a
in
a
fashion
that
takes
advantage
of
its
proximity
of
the
downtown.
E
It's
really
a
periphery
of
the
downtown.
It's
a
part
of
the
not
kinda
like
the
Market
District
on
the
East
Village
area,
and
it's
follow-up
to
that
planning
process
that
we
went
through.
We
actually
ruiz
owned
a
lot
of
this
area.
There
is
no
industrial
zoning
districts
left
in
this
area.
It
was
all
everything
that
was
m1
at
the
time
there
might
have
been
a
m2
or
two
in
there,
but
I
think
is
predominately.
M1
was
rezone
to
dr.
E
The
dr
district
does
allow
the
continuation
of
existing
wire
housing
facilities,
so
it
does
law
for
that
transitioning,
but
it
has
the
design
guidelines.
It
has
uses
they're
thought
of
as
supporting
the
downtown
riverfront,
the
kind
of
development
we're
looking
for
there
it
within
the
neighborhood
area
a
little
further
to
the
east,
the
area
that
area
was
rezone
to
NPC.
That
seemed
like
an
appropriate
scaling
down
and
zoning
classification,
as
we
headed
more
to
the
east
of
the
single-family
development
and
this
area
down
here,
that's
our
three
that
was
already
our
three.
E
That
was
really
we
chose
at
the
time
to
leave
that
intact.
We
felt
that
you
know
the
r3
zoning
allows
the
church
to
continue
on.
We
also
felt
that
it
was.
It
allowed
us
to
have
greater
review
in
this
area
transition
areas.
People
come
forward
like
tonight
at
a
rezoning
process,
so
we
we
left
that
rezoning
process
hurdle
there
for
them
to
get
through,
and
so
that's
why
we're
here
tonight,
because
half
of
this
property
is
still
zoned
r3.
The
other
half
is
dr,
which
is
what
they
wanted.
E
You
know
what
they're
trying
to
accomplish
that's
kind
of
the
history
of
it.
So
you
know
as
staff
we
are
supporting
this.
We
believe
it's
consistent
with
the
goals
of
the
city's
comprehensive
plan.
It's
certainly
consistent
with
you
know
this
effort
that
we
went
through.
We
actually
talked
about
having
senior
housing
I'm,
not
gonna,
make
you
know,
go
through
this
plan.
You
know
page
by
page,
but
we
actually
had
there's
some
of
the
pages
that
discuss
doing
senior
housing
generally
in
this
area.
So
this
really
ties
in
nicely
to
that.
E
Dr
is
a
mixed-use
zoning
classification,
so
it
does
allow
some
commercial
uses,
so
the
first
one
is
to
prohibit
something
that
we
think
is
not
appropriate
in
this
specific
spot
and
that's
tavern
nightclub.
We
use
the
other
prohibition
or
mat
capping
the
density
at
forty
units
per
acre,
essentially
setting
the
density
of
what
they're
proposing,
which
I
believe
is
46.
E
This
is
a
requirement
anyway,
but
we
think
it's
safe.
To
put
it
in
here,
put
everybody
notice.
Nobody
knows
it's
there
same
with
4.
This
is
just
saying:
hey,
I,
come
back
to
you,
guys,
like
I'd,
mentioned,
for
review
of
your
your
site
plan
for
any
multifamily
development,
and
then
five
addresses
Street
the
street
network
right
now,
the
the
roads
are
not
a
full
urban
cross-section
in
the
area,
as
development
occurs,
it's
incremental
in
what
has
to
be
installed.
The
developer
is
responsible
for
what's
around
them
or
what
what
they
need
to
service
their
area.
E
Our
condition
recommended
zoning
condition
is
that
Southwest
first
be
brought
to
a
full
urban
cross-section
and
that
whatever
they
need
on
Edison
and
and
potentially
Columbus
they're,
not
showing
any
connections
but
whatever
they
would
need
to
get
to
driveway.
So
if
this
was
what
you
saw
later,
they
would
need
to
develop
this
to
full
urban
cross-section,
and
then
you
know
the
rest
of
the
project
would
be
you
know
either
as
development
occurs
or
a
city
project
at
some
some
unknown
time.
E
E
B
D
E
D
B
G
G
Would
say
in
response
to
Greg's
question
about
if
the
project
remains
split
zoned,
you
could
not
get
the
46
units
just
on
the
DR
side
as
it
currently
stands,
and
without
that
unit
quantity,
the
probably
project,
probably
becomes
financially
unviable
right
now
this
project
is
seeking
low
income
tax
credits
through
their
senior
project
program,
and
the
reason
we're
here
this
evening
is
even
though
we've
not
been
awarded
those
credits.
We
have
to
maintain
correct
zoning
so
that
the
project
could
proceed
if
we
were
worried.
Those
credits.
G
B
K
E
E
K
E
K
Oh,
oh,
wait
until
I'm
ready
for
it.
If
you
put
it
there,
I'll
just
okay
I'm,
not
in
favor
of
this,
because
I
own
1807
Southwest.
Second,
if
with
other
people.
So
if
you
look
at
this
is
the
proposed
area
here
you
agree
with
that.
Yeah
it's
about
there
and
so
I
am
here
on
Southwest.
Second
I
bought
the
house
really
cheap
and
I've
been
renovating
it
and
I
plan
on
living
there
and
retiring
there.
It
is
a
wonderful
location.
K
There
are
my
issues.
First
of
all,
I
was
told
that
no
matter
what
any
of
us
residents
say,
even
though
so
many
of
us
are
opposed,
that
we've
been
getting
phone,
calls
and
sold
that
bullied
away
from
being
here
and
told
that
no
matter
what
we
say,
it's
consented
and
it's
gonna
go
through
and
so
I
know
a
people
that
did
not
come
because
they
knew
that
their
voice
wasn't
going
to
matter
so
I'm
here
to
represent
more
than
me,
because
that
just
pissed
me
off
anyway.
K
So
that's
the
only
bad
word,
I'll
say:
okay,
my
issue
is
is
living
here.
There
is
no
way
that
we
can
support
that.
Many
people,
the
streets,
are
narrow,
they're,
ours,
no
stop
sign
at
all
anywhere
throughout
that
there's
no
sidewalk
I
walk
my
dogs
I
get
hit
almost
you
know,
because
there
is
no
way
for
this
to
happen.
K
I'm
on
Southwest
2nd
on
all
of
this
there's
nothing,
and
so
when
they
talk
about
fixing
up
some
of
the
area,
my
biggest
beef
is
that
living
there,
it's
wonderful,
it's
great
I,
don't
even
I,
don't
even
Drive
anymore
I
ride
my
bike
or
I
walk,
but
you
can't
get
downtown
from
there
proposed
location,
there's
no
way
to
get
there.
The
people
who
own
this
area
here
that
are
the
industry
is
they're
vehemently
opposed
to
this.
You
they
probably
sent
me
that
set
the
cards
and
there's
no
way
to
get
to
the
river.
K
There's
no
way
to
get
through
nothing
even
on
a
bike,
so
I
think
that
the
idea
of
having
subsidized
it's
also
section
8
they're,
going
for
section,
8,
housing
and
I've
lived
in
section,
8
and
I
was
a
single
mom.
I
went
back
to
school
toss,
my
baby
in
section
8
I,
couldn't
wait
to
get
out
of
college
to
get
out
of
their
crap
and
I
know
that
this
is
going
to
be
55
plus
community,
but
gosh
I'm,
almost
55
and
I
sure
hope
that
I'm
not
gonna
have
to
live
in
sliding
feet.
K
Disabled
you
know
or
something
like
that.
I
just
think
it's
terrible.
We
don't
have
the
sorry
I'm
nervous
anyway,
so
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
how
this
does
anybody
any
good.
Like
I
said,
we've
been
bullied
away
being
told
that
our
voices
don't
matter
I,
have
a
septic
tank.
We
don't
even
have
sewer
systems
the
place
used
to
have
a
there.
Many
of
us
with
septic
tanks,
I
think
everybody
down
on
that
side.
K
There's
no
sewer
system,
so
it's
gonna
be
huge,
so
I
think
the
idea
of
building
something
there
sounds
great,
but
you're
being
a
little
bit
immature
and
a
little
bit
too
proactive
fix
the
city
before
you
shove.
In
this
thing
you
know
build
the
road
before
you
build
the
building
said:
I,
don't
know
what
the
width
of
a
road
needs
to
be,
but
it's
too
narrow
you
park,
one
car
you
can't
get
around
and
it's
also
I.
K
The
only
thing
I
can
understand
why
the
church
would
be
going
for
this
at
Saint.
Anthony's
is
because
they
must
be
moving
because
there's
no
way
that
they
would
do
this.
There's
a
daycare
there
there's
a
church,
there's
everything
else
that
looks
great
and
when
there
are
funerals
and
the
church
you
can't
get
through.
It's
just
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
rambling,
but
the
other
thing
that
we
have
is
a
lack
of
police
down.
K
The
other
thing
is:
if
this,
who
pays
for
the
tax
burden
of
all
this,
if
we're
changing
this
to
downtown
I,
would
think
that
downtown
taxes
are
going
to
be
higher
and
I
know
my
through
immediate
house
and
land,
which
is
only
0.2
acres
right
now,
isn't
gonna
be
affected,
but
it
will
be
in
the
long
run.
I
just
really
think
this
stupid
and
I
think
section.
8
housing
is
the
only
reason
that
they
want
to
go
for
the
federal
section.
K
8
housing
is
cuz,
they're,
guaranteed,
100%,
occupancy
and
I
think
that
we
should
really
have
something
a
little
bit
with
more
class
in
there.
It's
there
are
a
lot
of
nice
apartment
complexes
coming
in
and
personally
I've
had
my
bike
ripped
off
enough
with
the
people
in
downtown
who
are
stealing
I.
Just
am
tired
of
it.
So
I,
just
I'm,
venting
I,
know,
but
I
just
really
would
like
to
see
something
with
a
little
bit
more
class
and
not
section
8
housing,
because
it's
a
owners
care.
K
If
you
want
to
swap
bulbs
with
me
this
spring
I'm
there
brenner
renters,
don't
care
and
I
live
next
to
a
tenth.
A
renter
and
I
I
will
see
this
outside
my
window
every
day
and
I.
Just
just
think.
It's
atrocious
so
and
then,
when
I
also
asked
in
the
community
meeting
that
I
asked
if
it
could
look
nicer,
and
that
was
when
they
said
well,
it
needs
to
look
like
the
church
and
I.
K
K
K
It's
right
there
you,
when,
if
you
haven't
I,
don't
know
one's
been
on
our
street.
No
one
goes
on
our
street,
which
is
they
better?
Not
because
you
can't
yeah
I
mean
it's
like
there.
Whenever
I
take
an
uber
they're
like
wow
I,
didn't
know
there
were
houses
back
here.
I'm
like
I
know
it's
great.
You
turn
around
there.
It's
quiet,
there's
another
thing:
that's
really
cool
that
happens
that
I'm
sure
they
may
be
tearing
down.
Some
of
their
trees
is
because
of
the
confluence
of
the
rivers.
K
We
have
a
bird
migration,
that's
just
like
crazy
and
all
these
old
walnut
trees
that
you're
just
like
wow,
you
know
so
there's
a
nature
in
there
from
the
river
and
I.
Just
really
think
that
it's
not
I,
don't
know
I
I.
What
I
envisioned
if
I
had
my
magic
wand
and
I
could
do
what
I
wanted
I
would?
Yes,
I
can
see
having
something
in
there,
but
it's
right
there
off
Meredith's
trail.
You
could
have
Des
Moines
gonna
get
big,
okay,
fine,
it's
gonna
spread
down
there.
K
It's
gonna
have
the
urban
sprawl
but
make
it
in
a
good
way,
make
it
positive
make
it
little.
Boutique
shops
bring
yourself
down
there,
but
no
one
goes
to
downtown
anymore
everything
they
Park
at
my
house
and
then
they
drive
somewhere
else
or
we
walk
someplace,
because
there's
no
parking
downtown
right
now.
Hopefully
there
will
be,
but.
F
F
On
septic,
when
the
sewers
put
in
you're
not
required
to
connect
to
that,
unless
your
septic
fails
and
you're
within
a
certain
distance
of
sewer,
so
yeah,
there
is
public
sewer
in
the
area
and
available
to
serve
the
development
of
this
site.
Okay
and
I
would
assume
that
if
it's
in
a
appropriate
distance
of
your
house,
if
your
septic
fails,
that
would
be
available
for
you.
Yeah.
K
I've
been
paying
extra
on
my
homeowner's
insurance,
because
I
know
that
if
something
happens,
I'm
gonna
have
to
go
there.
The
thing
is
is
that
there
are
two
overflow
ponds
that
when
it
rains,
we
have
these
sub
ponds
across
on
Southwest,
second
and
then
another
one
by
the
apartments
which
is
across
Dunham's.
So
when
it
rains,
we
have
three
feet
of
water
and
Reece
and
associates.
They
always
have
a
foot
of
water
or
it
turns
into
ice.
There's
always
a
water
problem.
There
used
to
be
a
lot
of
flooding
before
I,
don't
know.
K
If
Mark
Luce
came
to
you
and
spoke
he's
since
deceased,
but
he
came,
he
owned,
1803,
Southwest
2nd,
and
he
every
time
it
rained
the
basements
would
just
flood.
And
it's
obvious
my
house
flooded
too,
but
that
was
when
it
was
a
gravel
road
and
they
did
a
lot
of
work.
But
there's
nothing.
Even
when
I
got
from
my
street
to
my
house,
I
can't
even
get
there.
I
have
to
go
in.
I
can
only
access
my
house
from
the
back
door
in
the
winter,
because
there
was
this
hill
and
no
stairs.
K
So
if
the
city
is
thinking
about
us,
they're
not
doing
a
very
good
job,
and
this
isn't-
this
is
a
spit
in
her
face.
I
think
to
do
this.
It's
like
we're
really
are
trying
to
pick
this
up
up
and
trying
to
make
things
look
nice
and
it
is
a
nice
community
and
you
have
the
church
bells
and
the
kids
on
recess,
there's
also
a
daycare,
and
this
is
not
what
that
it's
quiet.
We
don't
need
this
and
it's
also
a
dead
end.
There's
no
way
to
get
here
when
you
look
at
this
property
here.
K
K
K
In
the
bottom
of
this,
where
it
states
that
if
we
have
over
20%
of
the
landowners
who
put
in
written
writing
whatever
this
bottom
statement,
do
the
cards
count
for
that
or
can
we
I
mean
if,
if
we
got
together
a
petition
because
I
know
I
can
get
just
about
everybody,
I
don't
think
I
was
included,
although
I
think
I
should
have
been
for
the
alleyway,
but
I
didn't
get
that
card.
The
cards.
F
And
anything
in
it
has
me
in
writing.
So
either
return
the
card.
We
mail,
the
card,
yes,
make
it
easy
for
people,
that's
postage
prepaid.
You
can
submit
a
written
letter,
and/or
a
petition
with
signatures
and
present
names
and
addresses,
and
then
we
double-check
those
against
our
records
before
the
council
meeting.
You
know
if
there
is
more
than
20
the
owners
of
more
than
20%
of
the
land
within
200
feet
of
the
area
being
rezone
yeah,
yeah.
B
K
B
H
Excitements
and
Simons,
and
then
Associates
Architects,
17:17,
Ingersoll
I,
was
not
planning
on
speaking
on
this
project.
In
my
14
years
on
B
and
Z,
I
think
this
is
a
third
time
that
I
spoken
on
one
of
our
projects.
I
just
like
to
correct
some
information.
There
were
several
things
that
were
stated
that
are
not
accurate.
This
is
not
a
dead-end
street.
There
are
full
utilities.
In
the
street
there
was
water,
sanitary
sewer,
storm,
sewer
power.
H
H
This
building
will
not
look
like
a
church,
there's
nothing
wrong
with
Saint
Anthony's.
It's
a
vibrant
community,
I
chair
the
Bishop's
Committee
on
senior
housing
for
a
number
of
years,
and
it
was
the
desire
on
the
part
of
st.
Anthony's
to
have
a
senior
housing
facility.
Here,
it's
a
wonderful
campus.
They
have
daycare
or
school.
As
you
know,
it's
very
vibrant.
It's
it's
a
landmark
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines
and
for
several
reasons
they
they
being
st.
Anthony's
elected,
not
to
pursue
the
senior
housing
in
Corey.
H
H
So
so
it's
not
going
to
look
like
a
church
and
what's
before
you
is
the
rezoning
and
the
vacation
of
the
alley,
not
the
site
plan
approval.
You
will
see
it
again
and
in
part
what
excited
Corey
Steiner
about
this
is
just
a
continuation
of
the
riverfront
development.
That's
been
already
occurring
because
most
of
this
land
is
zoned
downtown
riverfront,
and
when
you
look
at
the
zoning
map
that
staff
showed
earlier,
our
piece
is
an
odd
little
finger
that
goes
up
into
that
downtown
riverfront.
Everything
else
around
it
is
downtown
riverfront.
H
It
is
important
that
we
have
this
zoning
because
it
allows
us
to
meet
the
minimum
number
of
units
to
make
the
project
viable,
but
it
also
allows
us
to
have
off
street
parking
and
I
know
that
that's
that
has
been
a
common
theme
amongst
this
body
to
talk
about
how
much
off
street
parking
versus
on
street,
particularly
when
you
utilize
the
word
downtown
on
this
area
is
going
to
work.
The
streets
are
too
narrow
to
have
very
much
off
street
parking.
H
This
is
a
senior
project,
so
some
people
will
not
be
driving,
but
in
order
to
have
we
want
one
unit,
one
parking
stall
per
unit
off
site
so
that
the
people
can
get
off
the
road
in
part.
The
last
thing
I
would
like
to
clarify.
This
is
not
section
8
housing
if
it's
a
light
tech
program,
so
it
is
income
restricted,
but
it
is
not
section
8
and
there
is
a
program
specifically
for
senior
housing.
That
has
been
a
very
valuable
program
for
the
state
of
Iowa.
Why?
H
A
H
You
know
we're
above
50%
brick
and
then
we
will
use
a
cement
recite,
siding,
which
is
a
very
durable
material.
The
City
of
Des
Moines
has
requirements.
We
are
exceeding
the
City
of
Des
Moines.
Frankly,
lytec
I
think
that's
a
good
requirement
that
if
you're
going
to
receive
tax
credits,
you
need
to
give
something
in
return
and
they're,
very
desirous
of
having
very
durable
good-looking
buildings
for
an
extended
period
of
time.
C
H
Know
there
are
trees
there,
there
are
some
old
fence
road
trees,
I
chair,
the
Brent
and
Arboretum
board
am
a
tree
man.
There
are
one
or
two
trees.
In
my
opinion,
that
would
be
worth
looking
at
to
save,
but
other
than
that
to
me.
They're
undesirable
trees,
but
it's
going
to
be
fully
landscaped
and
again
you
will
see
the
site
plan.
That's
going
to
come
back
before
you
and
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
opportunity
to
talk
about
what
trees
are
there
today
and
what
we're
doing
to
save
some
of
those
trees.
D
Great
I
guess
I
just
like
to
make
a
comment:
basically,
maybe
enlighten
her
just
a
little
bit
that
it
might
seem
preconceived
about
the
way
this
is
going
and
part
of
the
reason
for
that
is
that
the
neighborhood
came
up
with
a
plan
10
to
15
years
ago.
It
wanted
to
be
developed
more
than
just
single-family
housing.
D
The
current
plan
is
lot
dr,
which
gets
multi-family
housing.
The
site
after
site
is
r3
its
multi-family
housing.
So
the
bottom
line
is
it's
not
going
to
be
single-family
homes
or
duplexes,
or
that
Loe
of
development?
It's
going
to
be
something
bigger,
and
so
we're
not
ignoring
what
the
neighbors
are
saying.
What
we're
doing
is
looking
at
the
documents
that
we
have
before
us.
D
That's
our
comprehensive
plan,
it's
the
neighborhood
planning
document
and
what
staff
tells
us,
and
so
we
come
up
with
a
based
on
what
we've
seen
a
reasonable
response
to
all
of
those
things,
and
so
what
it
might
seem
to
those
who
aren't
familiar
with
the
process
that
we're
ignoring
we're
not
ignoring
what
we're
doing
is
taking
everything
that
that
we
have
before
us
and
making
a
decision.
That
is
is
best
based
on
all
of
those
things,
and
so
with
that
said,
I'll
just
move
stab
I.
A
I
F
F
B
B
B
You
all
those
in
favor
of
staff
recommendation
part
b.
Please
signify.
By
raising
your
hand,
is
there
any
opposition
seeing
that
part
C
is
the
recommend
approval
of
rezoning
to
downtown
riverfront
district
subject
to
the
following
conditions,
which
were
highlighted.
Tavern
nightclub
area
users
are
prohibited.
The
total
number
of
residential
units
developed
on
the
subject
property
shall
not
exceed
the
40
units
per
acre.
Any
redevelopment
of
the
property
shall
conform
with
the
building
codes
and
site
plan
regulations,
including
the
design
guidelines
reviewed
by
planning,
Zoning
Commission.
B
Any
redevelopment
of
the
property
for
multiple
family
residential
shall
conform
to
site
plan
design,
guidelines
for
multiple
family
dwellings
and
reviewed
by
the
Commission
and
any
redevelopment
of
property
so
required
for
urban
cross-section
reconstruction
of
all.
The
joining
portions
of
Southwest,
first
along
any
continuous
segment
of
public
street,
providing
a
route
to
an
acts
of
any
developed
off
street
parking
and
subject
property
is
their
motion,
your
staff.
Thank
you.
All.
Those
in
favor
of
staff
recommendation
on
Part
C.
B
Is
there
the
opposition
all
right?
Thank
you
so
much.
Oh
wait.
This
party
party
I
apologize
is
recommendation
vacation
of
the
north
south
segment
of
the
public
alleys,
subject
to
the
easements
of
any
utilities
in
place
or
any
necessary
relocation
of
expense
of
the
development
developer
as
part
of
any
redevelopment
of
the
property
interaction.
Thank
you
all.
Those
in
favor
of.