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Plan and Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, Dec. 20, 2018 in Des Moines, Iowa.
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A
The
number
20
City
of
Des
Moines
Planning
Commission
meeting
to
order
again
welcome
these
are
our
rules
and
procedures.
The
planet
Zoning
Commission,
is
an
advisory
body
to
the
City
Council.
The
City
Council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
a
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
this
commission
other
than
site
plan
and
subdivision
flats
and
less
denials
or
conditional
approvals
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city
clerk
or
the
community
development
staff
for
details
on
council
hearings.
A
Applicants
are
given
10
minutes
to
present
their
request,
and
then
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes.
The
applicant
has
been
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
The
hearing
then
will
be
closed
and
the
Commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
All
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
A
Please
notify
the
city
at
least
three
business
days
in
advance
at
283
for
209
should
special
accommodations
be
required.
Assistive
listening
devices
are
available
for
these
meetings.
Planning
zoning
commission
meetings
are
broadcast
on
media,
cable,
channel,
7.1
or
7.2
for
customers.
With
that
service
transportation,
2/3
of
the
moy
meetings
can
be
scheduled
to
and
from
dart
Central
Station
at
6:20
Cherry
Street
to
reserve
your
route.
Please
call
dart
on-call
scheduling
at
two
eight
three,
eight
one,
three
six
calls
for
trips
will
be
accepted
up
until
5:00
p.m.
of
the
day.
A
Prior
to
the
meeting,
please
be
sure
to
mention
your
request
that
you
require
transportation
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
at
this
location.
This
notice
is
intended
to
comply
with
the
accessibility
requirements
of
the
Americans
with
Disabilities
Act,
and
now
we
have
established
a
quorum.
Is
there
action
on
the
minutes
of
our
December
6
meeting.
B
A
A
You
now
at
this
time
there's
several
items
in
our
consent
agenda,
but
I'm
going
to
do
is
read
these
items
and
unless
there
is
anyone
here
in
the
audience
to
hear
these
items
know
the
first
thing
I'm
gonna
do
is
read:
item
number
three
and
the
consent
agenda.
This
is
a
request
from
home
Inc
to
rezone
property
at
13,
21
and
1325.
Freemont
Street
I
understand
that
this
that
the
requester
would
like
to
continue
this
item
today,
January
17th
meeting.
Is
that
correct
that.
C
A
It's
a
representative
in
the
audience
tonight
from
home
Inc
and
is
that
correct?
You
would
like
to
continue
to
January
17th,
thank
you
and
was
there
anybody
in
the
audience
that
wish
to
hear
that
item
tonight,
all
right,
seeing
that
mom
and
we
well
is
there
motion
to
this
item
to
our
January
17th
meeting.
A
A
Thank
you
and
now
I'm
going
to
read
the
remainder
of
the
consent
items
again.
Unless
there
is
anyone
in
the
audience
that
wishes
to
hear
them,
they
will
remain
unconcerned
and
the
staff
recommendation
will
will
be
the
vote.
So
item
number
one
is
a
city
initiated
request
for
a
determination
as
to
whether
the
proposed
Drake
urban
renewal
plan
for
an
area
generally
located
south
of
University
Avenue
between
27th
Street
and
the
half-light
east
of
26th
Street
close
the
University
Avenue
right
of
way
between
23rd
and
34th
Street
is
in
conformance
with
the
plan
des
moines.
A
A
A
Item
number
and
item
number
three
is
deferred
item
number
four
is
a
request
from
ng
r
ez
Inc
to
rezone
property
located
at
9:38
12th
Street,
the
determination
as
to
whether
this
rezoning
is
in
conformance
with
the
existing
plan
des
moines
and
to
rezone
from
M
one
light
industrial
to
MPC
to
allow
property
to
be
redeveloped
with
14
ro
townhome
dwellings.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
wishes
us
to
remove
this
item
from
consent,
seeing
that
it's
31
on
the
commission
that
wishes
to
decide
up
alright
and
then
finally,
I'd.
A
All
right
so
those
consent
items
are
approved
and
now
we're
moving
on
to
the
public
hearing
items
as
listed
in
your
agenda,
and
it
is
my
understanding
that
item
number
five,
which
is
request
from
TK
development,
two
for
approval
of
a
second
amendment
to
the
majority
to
the
major
preliminary
plat
for
self
westwoods
of
state
property
located
at
three
800
South
was
56,
which
the
requester
wishes
to
defer
this
item
to
January
17th.
Is
that
correct?
That
is.
C
A
A
A
A
request
from
Jay
s,
Baker
properties,
to
determine
whether
proposed
rezoning
is,
in
conformance
with
plan
des
moines
and
to
rezone
property
from
a
limited
C
to
general
retail
and
highway
oriented
commercial
district
to
a
revised,
limited,
c2,
general
retail
and
highway
oriented
commercial
district.
The
original
staff
recommendation
was
a
denial
and
I
understand
that
the
applicant
agrees
to
the
conditions.
C
A
Thank
you
I,
remember,
eight,
if
I
might
just
skip
ahead
for
a
minute,
is
a
request
from
Brown
Dog
Realty
to
review
an
approval
of
a
site
plan
under
design
guidelines
for
extension
of
parking,
a
property
located
at
2011
or
21
10.
What
kind
of
view
drive
to
allow
extension
of
off
street
parking
and
I
understand
that
the
applicant
wishes
to
continue
this
item
toward
January
meeting?
Yes,.
A
I
A
A
C
C
They
are
here
to
request
a
rezoning
of
property,
that's
south
of
their
existing
campus.
This
is
31st
Street
on
the
East
Grand
Avenue
is
their
front
address
of
their
main
campus.
It's
just
off
the
picture
and
then
the
south
edge
of
their
property
is
actually
down
here.
They
are
wanting
to
read.
They
have
initially
requested
to
rezone.
C
At
that
time,
the
Commission
and
the
City
Council
wanted
that
condition
placed
on
there
to
require
them
to
follow
a
rezoning
process
in
order
to
make
any
changes
to
extend
parking,
because
at
that
time,
and
even
now
we
can
allow
extension
of
parking
without
a
zoning
change
into
residential
districts,
and
they
did
not
want
that
to
be
done
as
a
matter
of
right.
They
wanted
it
to
come
back
through
a
process
if
that
was
ever
to
be
requested
in
the
future.
So
the
day
has
come
now
where
the
applicant
is
desiring
to
extend
parking.
C
J
C
The
area
that
would
be
already
zoned
r4
and
then
the
area
they
want
to
add
in
as
well
combined
into
their
their
concept
here,
I'm
pointing
the
pen
at
the
area
where
they
would
want
the
generator
to
be
located.
They're,
also
showing
landscaping
in
that
to
obscure
that
from
residential
and
an
absorb
sound.
C
C
Those
are
the
two
initiatives,
I
believe
that
are
driving
this
request
at
this
time.
They
did
not
qualify
that
with
their
application
that
they
didn't
want
to
allow
further
development
on
this
property.
So
that
was
a
concern
that
of
staff
in
reviewing
this.
So
when
we
reviewed
this,
we
we
were
definitely
sensitive
to
issues
with
regard
to
stormwater,
as
they're
historically
been
stormwater
issues
I'll.
C
Let
them
speak
to
recent
investments,
they've
made
to
re-establish
and
upgrade
their
their
storm
water
detention
facility
to
protect
the
neighborhood
to
the
south,
where
the
water,
the
drainage
Wade,
goes
naturally
to
protect
it
from
big
rain.
Events
like
we've
had
this
year,
for
example,
so
and
they've
cooperated
with
our
stormwater
utility
here
as
of
late
to
do
that,
redesign
and
that's
actually
under
construction
I'll
show
you
some
photos.
It
was
already
constructed
and
I
will
show
you
some
photos
of
that
area
here
in
a
second.
C
So
with
those
two
staff
does
have
concern
about
the
residences
to
the
east.
Some
of
these
are
owned
by
the
university
other
ones
that
are
privately
owned.
Certainly
they
all
deserve
the
protection
of
our
zoning
from
commercial
use.
Such
as
parking
and
other
things,
so
we
do
want
to
make
sure
if
this
rezoning
is
passed,
that
there
be
things
in
place
to
protect.
C
As
you
come
in
off
the
east
driveway
looking
to
the
west,
so
this
is
the
Ryan
Hall
building,
that's
the
furthest,
building
south
on
the
property.
You
can
see
this
fencing,
that's
right
around
the
recently
upgraded
detention
facility.
This
is
that
existing
parking
lot
so
we're
looking
essentially
west
a
little
bit
southwest.
This
is
looking
through
that
parking
area.
That's
established
more
Southwest
and
again
you
can
see
some
orange
fencing
here.
That's
in
place,
I
think
they
want
it
to
protect
the
area
so
that
the
ground
cover
can
establish
on
the
detention
basin.
C
C
C
C
C
Then
we
would
not.
We
would
want
a
similar
provision.
That
would
say
they
would
not
be
able
to
exercise
that
extension
of
parking
further
which
they
could
do
under
a
site
plan
that
would
come
in
front
of
you,
but
would
not
have
the
same
process
as
reason
so,
rather
than
just
allowing
that
to
happen
at
any
time,
we
would
want
them
to
again
amend
the
zoning
if
they
wanted
further
extension
off
street
parking
and
emergency
power.
C
Generator
of
equipment
shall
be
subject
to
a
site
plan
review
by
the
permit
and
Development
Center,
and
shall
provide
appropriate
residential
protection
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
planning
administrator
again.
This
is
already
a
requirement
of
that
project.
Had
it
been
zoned
correctly
at
this
time,
we
want
to
add
that
in
there
to
ensure
that
that
step
is
clear
to
the
neighbors
and
to
any
other
future
leadership
of
Des
Moines
University
that
it,
you
know
into
the
future
that
that's
the
case.
Any
development
shall
comply
with
the
city's
tree
removal
and
mitigation
ordinance.
C
As
you
can
see,
there's
going
to
be
some
trees.
That
would
be
impacted
by
those
projects.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
they
are
providing
the
required
mitigation
by
the
city's
ordinance
as
part
of
any
any
development
in
that
fashion.
So
again,
by
putting
it
in
the
zoning
conditions
its
recorded
and
would
be
discoverable
by
anybody
into
the
future.
Any
lighting
for
off
street
parking
areas
shall
be
pedestrian
and
scale
with
a
maximum
height
of
20
feet,
providing
cut
off
fixtures
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
Planning
Minister.
C
We
want
to
make
sure
that
the
parking
is
safe
and
has
appropriate
lighting
that
does
not
present
an
impact
on
the
nearby
residences
by
being
of
a
scale,
that's
appropriate.
That
might
require
more
fixtures
to
do
that,
but
we
do
not
want
tall
fixtures
that
can
be
obtrusive
with
the
light
into
the
neighborhood.
So
and
we
again,
we
would
review
that
very
very
similar
to
the
way
we
do
a
number
of
other
types
of
site
plans
where
that's
actually
there's
actual
standards
where
we
don't
want
any
type
of
illumination
measurement
at
the
property
line.
C
Basically,
so
the
last
one
is
that
the
property
owner
shall
be
required
to
annually
submit
a
storm
water
detention.
Maintenance
report
to
the
city's
stormwater
utility
demonstrate
continued
functional
operation
of
the
approved
stormwater
management.
Improvements
in
the
event
that
said,
report
does
not
demonstrate
continued
functional
operation.
K
C
The
outside
line
is
the
250
around
the
rezoning
and
then
the
inside
line
of
the
200
statutory
provision
4.7%
in
objection
based
on
that
200
distance
I
do
want
to
let
you
know
that
by
our
policy
we
we
notify
around
their
entire
property
at
250
feet.
So
there
was
a
number
of
people
that
got
notice
of
this
hearing
that
are
outside
of
this
statutory
distance.
That's
considered
for
that
provision,
so
there
will
definitely
be
people
that
sent
cards.
L
C
D
Just
to
clarify
the
state
code
requires
notification,
and
if
there's
opposition
by
more
than
20%
of
the
property
owners
within
200
feet
of
the
property,
it
would
trigger
a
6/7
vote
of
the
City
Council
to
override
that
opposition.
In
this
instance,
there's
only
4.7%
opposition
within
200
feet
of
the
subject
property.
So
it
would
not
automatically
trigger
a
6/7
vote
of
the
council
at
this.
C
C
A
B
and
C
Part
B
is
to
also
amend
the
future
land
use
of
this
area
from
a
low
density
residential
to
a
public
semi
public,
and
to
do
that,
you
do
need
two-thirds
of
your
quorum
present
to
vote
and
in
support
of
that,
and
if
there
isn't
a
6
out
of
8
members
this
evening
to
vote
to
approve
that
the
land
use
amendment
would
require
a
six
seven
vote
of
our
City
Council
and
that
was
on
C.
That
was
on
B
B
RB,
which
is
the
plan
DSM
amendment
enjoy.
C
E
Please
Eric:
when
the
cards
went
around
I
noticed
there
were
considerably
more
red
marks
than
than
green
marks
and
I
realized
that
the
data
that
you're
giving
is
the
legal
limit
as
it
were.
But
my
question
is
this:
you
looked
at
the
cards
a
lot
more
closely
than
we've
had
a
chance
to
look
at
them.
Give
me
an
idea,
basically
of
some
kind
of
a
percentage
or
some
kind
of
a
number
or
some
kind
of
a
comparison
of
the
Reds,
as
opposed
to
the
greens
in
the
area
that
are
not
shown
on
the
map.
I.
E
C
A
certain
code
and
you're
basing
that,
on
the
frequency
of
the
number
of
card
of
the
number
of
communications
letters
cards
and
the
provision
just
to
note,
the
provision,
that's
in
the
code
is
based
on
the
land
area.
So,
theoretically,
one
owner
of
20%
of
the
property
could
be
an
objection
and
trigger
that
provision.
Could.
C
E
C
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
Commission.
My
name
is
Dan
Manning
senior
317
6th,
Avenue,
Suite,
300,
Des,
Moines
Iowa,
representing
Des
Moines
University
with
me
this
evening
is
Susan.
Huppert
she's,
the
chief
of
external
and
governmental
affairs
for
Des
Moines
University,
mark
Piper
mark
mark
is
the
CFO
for
Des
Moines,
University
and
Steve.
J
Grasso
Steve
is
an
engineer
and
architect
with
GTG
who's,
assisted
Des,
Moines
University
and
in
their
efforts
to
to
deal
with
their
storm
water
detention
facility
to
address
their
parking
needs
and
to
address
the
challenges
that
they've
had
with
energy
and
the
need
for
the
generator
that
needs
to
be
located
on
the
site.
There
have
been
numerous
meetings
with
Sue
and
with
and
marked
with
your
staff.
There
have
been
meetings
throughout
this
process
with
mark
and
Sue
with
the
neighborhood,
the
neighbors.
J
The
staffs
response
to
Des
Moines
University
has
been
to
take
this
incrementally
you've
laid
out
a
requirement.
A
need
to
deal
address
parking
based
upon
the
issues
that
you
have
with
overcrowded
parking
on
site.
You've
clearly
established
that
there
were
numerous
outages.
That's
affected
your
ability
to
effectively
teach
your
student
body
to
address
the
needs
of
the
University,
and
for
that
reason
they
understand.
J
We
we
were
clear
that
we,
the
only
thing
that
we
really
needed
to
achieve
right
now,
was
to
address
the
parking
and
to
address
the
the
generator
both
of
those
were
our
needs.
So
when
the
staff
came
back
and
said,
we
wanted
you
to
handle
this,
and
do
this.
Incrementally
we've
read
that
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
understand
tonight
that
our
application
is
not
for
all
of
that
property
any
longer.
It
is
simply
to
address
the
specific
needs
that
we
have
now.
J
We
believe
that
we're
going
to
have
to
address
issues
that
come
up
over
the
over
the
remaining
years,
we'll
do
that
in
as
transparent
way
as
we
possibly
can
as
a
part
of
an
overall
analysis
and
try
to
get
the
staff
with
the
city
staff
involved
and
and
and
the
community
and
the
neighborhood
involved
on
any
other
additions
or
matters
that
we
need
to
address.
No
good.
J
The
universities
is
going
to
start
out
in
2019,
putting
together
an
analysis
and
a
plan
and
they'll
include
the
the
city
personnel
as
well
as
the
neighborhood
in
that
process.
So
I
guess
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
everyone
understands
what
that
rezoning
is
going
to
be
is
just
the
area
where
the
parking
lot
is
going
to
go
and
the
area
where
the
generator
needs
to
be
located.
J
Now,
as
I
mentioned,
we
have
su
Huppert
here
we
have
mark
Piper
here
they
can
answer
questions
for
you,
but
the
most
important
thing,
I
think
is,
for
maybe
give
you
a
little
more
information
to
try
to
respect
the
time
limits
that
were
given
in
this
process,
and
we
have
Steve
Grasso
come
up
and
address
specifically
the
issue
of
the
parking,
the
issue
of
the
generator
and
then
also
touch
on
the
storm
water
detention
facility.
That
was
this
year.
J
The
University
did
an
overhaul
of
the
detention
on-site
detention
facility
at
a
cost
of
approximately
two
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars.
It's
been
reviewed
and
approved
by
the
city
staff
and
we'd
like
to
have
you
address
that
right
now,
Steve,
if
you
could
before
Steve
comes
up.
If
you
have
any
specific
questions
of
me,
feel
free,
otherwise,
we'll
ask
mr.
Grasso
to
address
the
board.
M
Good
evening,
madam
chair
members
of
the
Commission,
my
name
is
Steve
Grasso,
architect,
6505
Merle
hay
road
Johnston
about
a
year
ago
we
started
working
on
this
project
and
at
that
time
it
became
apparent
that
the
city's
long-range
plan
was
actually
to
take
the
yellow
area,
which
is
essentially
the
boundary
of
Des
Moines
University,
and
have
that
come
up
with
a
new
designation.
So
we
had
a
plan
in
place.
We,
you
would
have
seen
us
about
a
year
ago,
talking
about
this
parking
lot.
M
C
M
Okay,
thank
you
pick
up
where
I
left
off.
Do
you
want
me
to
restart
really
left?
That's
fine,
so
that
the
yellow
boundary
is
campus.
The
yellow
boundary
is,
what's
in
the
plan,
DSM
for
to
be
become
a
different
use
or
be
reclassified.
So
we
put
our
plans
on
hold
it
still.
It
hasn't
come
forward
like
we
wanted
it
to
come
forward,
so
we,
the
need,
is
too
great.
We
need
this
generator.
We
need
this
parking,
so
we're
back
here
with
you
now
a
year
later,
to
talk
specifically
about
those
two
projects.
M
M
Okay,
so
on
the
left
here
is
the
generator,
the
detention
basin
and
the
parking
lot
to
talk
specifically
about
the
generator
it'll.
Be
one
there's
already
two
generators
on
campus,
so
this
would
be
a
third
generator,
as
eric
cetera
as
yes
as
they're
excited
serve
primarily
Ryan
Hall,
which
is
a
science
and
education
building.
Within
that
building
we
have
students
and
staff
three-story,
building,
teaching
and
testing
every
day,
so
sound
is
just
as
important
to
the
University
as
it
is
to
the
neighborhood.
M
If
that
research
has
to
be
done
within
a
very
specific
temperature
and
humidity
band,
there's
they
can't
have
any
variation
if
it
gets
outside
that
band,
their
research
is
garbage
and
they
need
to
start
over.
So
power
is
important
to
them.
In
the
last
10
years,
they've
had
25
outages,
25
start
overs.
M
So
that's
where
the
need
for
the
generator
comes
into
play.
It's
big,
there's,
probably
gonna,
be
about
the
size
of
a
semi-truck
trailer
part
of
the
reason
it's
so
big
is
because
it
comes
from
the
factory
with
a
shroud
on
it
to
help,
contain
and
mitigate
any
sound
that
comes
out
of
the
generator.
That
shroud
also
takes
that
sound
and
pushes
it
upwards.
Based
on
the
data
that
we
have
gotten
from
the
manufacturer
by
the
time
you
get
out
to
the
property
line,
so
the
generators
here,
the
nearest
property.
M
So
the
generator
is
there
and
by
the
time,
to
come
to
the
closest
property.
That's
three
hundred
and
thirty
five
feet
at
that
point
that
corner
that
lot,
it'll
be
about
50
decibels,
that's
comparable
to
a
quiet
suburb
to
normal
conversation
of
you
and
I,
talking
back
and
forth
to
each
other.
That's
the
that's!
How
loud
it'll
be
it
gets
tested
once
a
month
for
30
minutes,
Des
Moines
University
standard
procedure
is
to
test
it
at
9:00
a.m.
on
a
weekday.
M
Just
to
talk
about
the
detention
basin
there
and
just
to
touch
on
that
wife,
myself,
I've
been
at
for
neighborhood
meetings
and
I,
probably
met
with
staff
at
that
equal
number
of
times
for
this
parking
lot
here
it
was
obvious
that
there
was
going
to
be
a
need
and
a
concern
that
that's
more
impervious
pavement
where's
that
what
are
going
to
go
so
this
year
in
this
past
year,
the
University
took
the
initiative
to
improve
that
detention
basin.
It's
now
wider
deeper
longer
than
it
was
before.
M
It's
not
improved
just
for
the
parking
lot,
it's
improved
for
the
whole
campus.
These
dark
lines
here
are
feeders
before
this
summer,
each
one
of
those
were
there
15
to
18
inch
diameter
concrete
pipes,
so
they
collect
water
from
different
parts
of
campus
and
they
bring
it
to
this
depression
in
the
ground
and,
prior
to
this
summer
they
just
the
water
just
burped
out
on
the
ground
right
there
and
it
ran
downhill
to
the
detention
basin.
So
we
had
a
lot
of
erosion,
a
lot
of
sediment
down
in
the
basement
basin.
M
This
summer,
part
of
the
expense
was
to
extend
those
lines.
All
the
way
down
to
the
north
end,
we
built
a
stilling
Basin.
That's
a
fancy
name
for
a
detention
area
in
the
ground.
That's
going
to
catch
the
silt,
so
it'll
catch
the
silt.
The
water
will
fill
up
and
then
it'll
overflow
into
the
detention
basin
down
here.
The
structure
on
the
south
end
was
also
completely
removed
and
replaced
and
brought
up
to
current
water
quality
standards
for
the
city
des
moines,
June
30th
end
of
June.
First
of
July.
M
We
had
that
great
big
rainstorm
right
that
made
papers
and
flooded
people
out
our
basin.
The
the
uphill
stuff
wasn't
done
yet,
but
the
down
hill
was
done
and
to
our
knowledge
there
was
no
damage
or
complaints
based
on
the
on
the
basin
at
that
time,
so
it
had
already
been
approved,
improved
and
tested
by
nature,
albeit
we
weren't
ready
for
quite
planning
on
it
to
happen.
Just
then
what
it
did.
So,
that's
the
improvement
there.
The
the
new
parking
lot
would
have
the
similar
structure
in
it.
M
That
would
bring
itself
down
to
the
to
the
new
detention
basin.
While
we're
here
on
this
page
that
yellow
line
there
is
a
little
bit
different
than
the
line
I
showed
you
before,
because
that
includes
the
residential
properties.
Those
residential
properties
are
owned
by
the
University.
So
when
we
talk
about
this
parking
lot
here,
you
can
see
that
it
has
there's
three
neighbors
that
are
immediately
adjacent
and
then
there's
three
rental
properties,
basically,
that
the
university
owns
talk
now
about
the
parking
lot.
M
So
on
the
right
is
an
aerial
photo
that
gray
area
down
here
is
the
proposed
parking
lot.
This
is
an
enlargement
of
it
again
in
a
typical
scenario
where
this
is
is
zoned
and
we've
got
a
conforming
use.
We
would
really
just
focus
on
improving
that
edge
that
edge,
that
of
the
new
parking
lot
and
how
it
relates
to
the
neighbors
part
of
our
plan,
which,
as
you
can
see
on
this
diagram
here,
is
we're
improving
the
whole
length
of
the
existing
parking
lot.
M
H
M
You
an
idea,
there's
roughly
740
parking
stalls
on
campus,
so
we're
asking
for
the
ability
to
put
47
more
on
campus
there's,
there's
1300
students,
there's
faculty
and
staff
probably
have
almost
the
same
number,
there's
folks
that
are
coming
to
the
clinic,
so
patients
that
come
on
an
as-needed
basis.
They
host
public
events
where
they'll
have
a
huge
amount
of
people
coming
to
use
the
both
well
a
couple
of
different
large
assembly
halls
that
they
have
on
campus.
So
in
any
given
time
there
could
be
a
little
or
there
could
be
a
lot.
M
It's
a
commuter
campus
there's
no
on
on
on-site
housing.
You
can
do
a
lot
of
stuff
from
the
safety
of
your
apartment,
but
on
test
day
you
have
to
come
to
campus.
So
again,
it'll
be
times
where
it
looks
like
maybe
it's
kind
of
quiet.
But
then,
though,
the
other
times
when
there's
no
place
to
park-
and
we
have
students
parking
in
Wesley
acres,
we
have
students
parking
on
the
street
on
31st
Street.
M
You
this
is
an
image
from
the
new.
The
bottom
picture
here
would
be
the
new
parking
lot,
looking
back
into
the
backyards
of
the
neighboring
houses
and
then
the
top
image
is
actually
the
existing
parking
lot.
Looking
in
to
the
back
of
the
houses
that
shows
the
new
fencing
and
the
new
vegetation
again
a
meeting
with
the
neighbors,
there
was
a
specific
oak
tree
that
was
asked
to
be
saved,
so
we've
worked
around
that
and
saved
that
the
large
purple
busts
that
you
see
there
is
the
Des
Moines
University's
mobile
medical
unit.
M
That's
been
relocated,
they
rent
space
off-campus
so
that
the
neighbors
don't
have
to
look
at
that
van
anymore.
They
have
an
agreement
with
dart
to
get
free
bus
passes
for
students
and
faculty.
They
have
rental
agreements
with
adjacent
properties,
or
students
can
park
there's
no
overnight
parking
allowed
on
campus.
They
have
a
third
party
security
system
or
company
that
comes
through
and
you
cannot
park
overnight,
so
we're
trying
real
hard
to
get
to
get
cars
out
of
there
every
day.
But
again,
there
are
all
these
events
that
happen
where
there's
just
no
place
to
park.
A
I
Julie
Russell
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
Unity
Center
of
Des
Moines
on
the
board
of
trustees
and
we're
already
neighbors
with
TMU
and
I
can
say
that
they
take
really
good
care
of
their
neighbors
they've
invested
in
our
parking
lot.
They've
helped
with
you
know,
we're
a
non-profit
right.
We
need
help
and
they've
been
they've
been
great
neighbors
and
I
just
wanted
to
offer
our
support.
I
A
You
very
much
I'm
gonna,
ask
two
for
any
other
speakers,
both
in
favor
and
against.
We
have
a
limited
amount
of
time
tonight
before
we
may
again
lose
a
quorum.
So
if
you
could
keep
our
remarks,
timely,
I'd
say
within
three
minutes
and
if
a
case
has
already
been
stated
that
we've
seen
or
heard
before
it
would
be
nice.
Not.
They
have
repetitive
comments
just
because
we
have
read
each
of
the
written
correspondence
that
we've
seen
today,
so
there
anyone
else
who
wishes
to
speak
in
favor
of
the
proposal.
A
All
right
and
seeing
that
is
there,
anyone
who
or
how
many
people
are
interested
in
speaking
either
have
questions
in
speaking
against
the
proposal.
Okay,
so
yeah,
okay,
so
again,
I
want
to
remind
the
audience
that
we
may
lose
a
quorum.
So
if
you
can
speak
concise
consistent
and
to
your
point,
we
want
to
hear
everybody.
We've
read
all
your
comments,
but
we
also
would
like
to
take
action
tonight.
N
Commissioners
in
2000,
Des
Moines
University
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines
made
a
promise
to
the
residents
of
our
neighborhood
that
no
further
expansion
would
occur
on
the
green
space
to
the
south
of
their
campus.
The
rezoning
request
before
you
today
will
remove
the
following
encroachment
limitation.
There
shall
be
no
further
extension
of
parking
to
serve
the
use
occurring
upon
the
property
and
to
any
of
the
adjoining
land
zoned
to
a
single-family
residential
home.
N
We
are
asking
that
the
request
before
you
be
denied
after
meeting
with
the
members
of
our
association,
the
board
of
the
Greenwood
historic
neighborhood
association,
voted
to
oppose
Des
Moines
University's
request
to
rezone
the
property
adjacent
to
our
residential
neighborhood.
The
Greenwood
historic
neighbors
Neighborhood
Association
further
opposes
Des
Moines
University's
request
to
terminate
the
18-year
old
encroachment
limitation
plates
on
its
property
by
the
City
of
Des
Moines
Des
Moines
University's
request
will
accommodate
construction
of
service
parking
that
they
said
would
be
less
expensive
than
increasing
the
capacity
of
their
existing
parking
garage.
Making.
N
Greenwood
historic
neighborhood
as
Association
is
also
asking
the
City
of
Des
Moines
to
do
an
annual
inspection
of
the
detention
pond
at
Des
Moines
University
prior
to
Des
Moines
University,
taking
action
to
improve
its
attention.
Pond
city
inspectors
indicated
that
the
pond
had
been
left
to
silt
in
and
was
functioning
at
a
very
low
level.
The
city
has
purchased
and
demolished
two
homes
at
32:21,
Elmwood
and
1:21
Lincoln
Place
drive
at
taxpayers,
expense
due
to
the
impact
of
water
runoff
from
the
facilities
on
Grand
Avenue
as
appointed
and
elected
officials.
N
L
My
name
is
Rochelle
quiner
and
I'm,
a
Greenwood
historic
neighborhood
resident
and
acting
vice
president
of
the
Greenwood
historic
Neighborhood.
Association
I
would
like
to
submit
comments
on
behalf
of
my
fellow
residents
concerning
the
environmental
implications
of
Des
Moines
University's
proposed
rezoning
of
their
property.
Our
concerns
pertain
to
the
potential
impacts
of
the
water
quality,
our
wildlife
habitat
and
the
increased
water
quantity
which
will
be
produced
resulting
in
additional
flooding.
L
Water
quality
is
a
concern
as
water
from
the
proposed
parking
lot,
which
surely
run
downstream
the
Polk
County
Soil
and
Water
Conservation
District
mentioned
to
me
that
they
have
seen
similar
scenarios
where
water
runoff
into
residential
areas
from
parking
lots,
bring
with
it.
Particulates
of
gasoline
oil,
salt,
antifreeze
and
other
sediment,
which
would
be
passed
on
to
our
surrounding
receiving
body.
The
North,
Raccoon
River
high
bacteria
counts
and
the
soil
have
been
noted
around
the
city
as
a
result
of
similar
projects.
L
The
Zoning
Board
must
consider
not
only
the
immediate
future
and
lifespan
of
the
proposed
parking,
but
also
the
water
quality
issue.
After
more
infrastructure
is
added,
one
rezoning
is
complete,
given
the
sensitive
nature
of
the
proposed
site
and
the
proximity
of
existing
residential
areas
downstream.
The
almost
certain
contamination
of
the
closely
linked
surface
water
and
groundwater
in
the
area
would
be
disastrous
for
local
residents
and
our
wildlife.
L
Our
wildlife
habitat,
is
one
of
our
strong
assets
as
a
neighborhood
and
I
think
that
we
are
a
model
for
this
in
Des
Moines,
we
have
bats
fox
deer
birds,
many
other
animals
that
depend
on
us
to
keep
our
dwindling
urban
green
space
intact.
I
met
with
an
official
for
the
Polk
County
Soil
and
Water
Department
at
the
site
of
the
proposed
parking
lot,
and
he
stated
that
the
city
would
need
to
manage
the
additional
runoff
as
a
result
of
future
development.
L
L
This
is
taken
from
the
University
of
Iowa
flood
Center
website.
This
document
shows
the
implication
of
a
100-year
flood
in
the
gray
area,
something
I
learned
happens
1%
of
each
year,
not
once
every
hundred
years.
Flooding
is
an
issue
in
our
neighborhood
and,
as
you
can
see
on
this
map,
we
are
surrounded
by
flood
water
after
a
major
storm
event,
looking
more
closely
at
her
neighborhood.
Please
refer
to
the
second
illustration.
L
Point
number
one:
Des
Moines
University
built
a
detention
pond
in
1984
which,
up
until
the
spring,
was
not
maintained,
two
residences
in
our
neighborhood.
Please
see
point
number
two
and
three
in
red
were
lost
due
to
flooding,
which
had
to
be
a
mitigated
by
the
city
and
paid
for
with
our
taxpayer
dollars.
Neighbors
at
our
last
meeting
showed
video
of
how
flood
waters
moving
quickly
behind
their
homes,
sometimes
even
sweeping
deer
into
the
tributaries.
L
Reading
the
stormwater
plan
myself
done
on
the
payoff
of
dmu,
it
is
of
interest
to
note
that
the
plan
is
based
on
a
five-year
storm
event.
This
means
that
on
any
given
year
that
we
as
a
neighborhood
can
assume
that
there
is
a
one
in
five
chance
of
a
twenty
or
twenty
percent
of
a
chance
of
a
well
maintained
water
detention
basin
overflowing.
The
report
assumes
that
the
pipes
will
stay
clear
of
free
of
sticks
and
leaves.
L
Lastly,
the
report:
it's
drawn
off
weather
trends
that
are
no
longer
stable,
as
it
seems
our
likelihood
of
severe
weather
events
increase
yearly.
Although
dmu
has
clearly
taken
steps
to
fix
it,
attention
pond
this
year
in
preparation
of
their
rezoning
hopes,
there
lacks
of
steps
over
the
past
34
years
to
maintain
the
space
and
give
little
optimism
that
they
will
maintain
any
new
infrastructure
they
put
into
place
to
protect
our
environment
and
our
homes.
In
conclusion,
we
as
a
neighborhood
stand
against
this
rezoning
application.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
comment.
O
P
My
name
is
launch
stager
I
am
a
previous
president
of
the
Greenwood
historic
neighborhood
association
and
I've
lived
in
the
neighborhood
about
12
years
and
I
have
to
be
honestly
I've
been
involved
in
this
since
the
MU
started
presenting,
and
this
thing
is
just
absurd
for
many
reasons.
Groundwater
is
one
thing
that
Rachelle
reasonably
pointed
out
and
I
think
the
way
D
mu
was
going
about.
P
This
has
just
not
been
honest
and
that's
continued
tonight
right,
and
so,
if
I
can
take
you
back
to
a
year
ago,
when
this
started,
the
initial
meeting
I
think
was
got
a
shotgun
approach,
sort
of
sneak
this
by
the
neighborhood
before
they
really
know
about
it.
So
there
was
a
couple
two
weeks
before
there
was.
This
meeting
was
supposed
to
happen.
P
January
24th,
last
year
notices
went
out
to
a
limited
number
of
neighborhood
around
and
I
live
a
little
bit
farther
away,
so
I
had
to
de-stress
senior
citizen,
call
me
and
say:
hey:
will
you
come
and
represent
us
right
again,
two
weeks,
and
so
we
show
up
listen
to
their
presentation
for
an
hour.
There's
never
even
to
this
moment,
there's
never
been
a
demonstrated
need
for
parking
and
I'll
point
it
out
in
a
moment.
What
we're
talking
about
is
anecdotal
here,
they're
an
event:
Ingersoll
lives,
a
great
event:
the
neighborhood.
P
P
What
do
you
notice
about
that
picture?
Not
many
cars
right
I
mean
the
ramp.
The
I've
walked
this
lot
and
driven
through
this
lot
many
times
in
the
last
year
to
get
a
cross-section
of
different
school
days,
different
seasonality
and
the
common
theme.
Is
you
drive
through
there
a
lot
most
of
the
time
there
aren't
many
cars
and
that
ramp?
You
want
talked
about
overflow
parking,
messes
mr5
for
a
year
ago.
P
There's
arms
there
its
permit
its
permit
parking
for
you
know
faculty
or
patients,
or
what
have
you
so
my
suggestion
was:
why
not
utilize
that
ramp
more
when
you
got
overflow
and
allow
students
to
park
there,
I've
been
in
that
ramp
and
on
the
roof
and
what
you
see
in
the
roof
there.
That's
probably
almost
all
the
time.
There's
there's
not
that
many
cars,
a
majority
of
the
spaces,
are
empty
right
so
and
there's
never
been
a
traffic
study.
P
If
this
happens,
anybody
who's
left,
your
property
value
is
going
to
go
down
and
you're
gonna
live
next
to
construction
for
years
right,
it
may
start
out
as
a
parking
lot,
then
it
becomes
a
building,
you're
demolishing
houses.
So
if
you're
Mike
urban
trying
to
raise
a
family
on
this
street,
your
hand
is
played
you're,
gonna,
be
forced
out
of
your
property
and
I
submit
it.
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
you
have
ever
been
to
this
property
right.
But
they're
presenting
this
blue
line
is
some
sort
of
compromise.
P
But
again
this
speaks
to
the
honesty
point.
Why
do
you
think
that
blue
line
is
drawn?
Because
if
you
walk
that
property
it
drops
off
30
feet
the
rest
everything
south
of
that
is
not
developable,
and
you
can
see
that
there's
no
access
or
egress
from
31st,
so
they
could
never
use
it
so
that
sort
of
being
pitched
as
a
compromise.
It's
don't
compromise
their
plan.
If
you
can
walk
in
those
woods,
there's
been
markings
different.
You
know
stakes
and
such
they
want
to
develop
every
flat
square
foot
of
that
forest
right.
P
It
will
start
out
as
the
generator
by
the
way,
which
is
now
in
view
of
houses.
I
mean
I,
don't
know
where
you
live,
but
I
don't
think
anybody
here
would
look
forward
to
walking
out
your
backyard
one
day
and
see
a
semi-trailer
size
generator
in
your
backyard,
and
so
my
final
point
here
is
without
any
sort
of
demonstration
of
need.
Look
again
at
this
picture,
there's
two
very
large
Lots
to
the
left.
This
is
an
urban
campus.
This
is
aimes,
it's
not
Simpson
right!
You
deal
with
it
an
urban
way.
P
You
go
vertical,
not
into
the
woods.
You
can
look.
They've
got
one
ramp,
that's
marginally
used,
there's
another
lot
to
the
left
of
it.
We
could
potentially
build
another
ramp.
The
two
large
Lots
I
have
a
hard
time,
believing
that
dmu
and
its
plans
could
not
build
a
structure,
additional
building
space,
usable
space
with
an
in-ground
parking
or
an
adjacent
ramp,
and
how
is
the
generator
in
there?
P
If
it
were
to
me,
what
we
would
be
voting
on
would
be
to
tear
out
the
existing
lot
that
they
built
in
2000
that
encroached
and
returned
at
the
green
space.
That
would
be
the
most
logical
thing
to
do
because
it
and
what
I'm
proposing
would
cost
more,
but
I
would
say
that
that's
the
CFO's
job
financed
it
raised
the
money
right.
Any
institution
is
fundraising
all
the
time
and
their
alumni
are
doctors
and
medical
professionals,
and
not
every
doctors,
rich,
but
they've
got
resources
to
build
this
properly.
They
don't
need
to
go
south.
P
Just
use
your
available
space
both
of
those
outdoor
lots,
could
have
a
ramp
that
could
house
cars
and,
by
the
way,
the
additional
parking
like
I
said.
If
you
could,
we
haven't
even
been
given
any
specific
handfuls
of
times
of
year,
most
of
the
kind
of
Lots
marginally
used
right.
So
for
that
reason,
I
get
like
I
said
the
other
night.
Last
week's
meeting
I
don't
even
know
why
we're
debating
this?
It's
not
it
shouldn't.
Even
we
afford
to
be,
and
that's
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Q
Scot
Carlson
3,
1,
5,
37th,
Street
I,
appreciate
your
time
tonight,
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
unintended
consequences
of
living.
You
know
kind
of
by
universities
or
Wesley
acres
or
not-for-profit
colleges
right
here.
It's
my
backyard
to
my
house,
so
I'm
on
37th
Street,
which
is
just
off
this
page
and
then
Wesley
acres
is
here.
I
know
it's
we're
not
talking
about
Wesley
occurs,
but
I
think
this
will
help.
You
know
talk
about
what
could
be
coming
on
the
other
side.
All
of
this
was
never
supposed
to
be
at
one
time.
Q
It
was
supposed
to
be
green
space.
It
was
some
parking.
You
know
they
added
this
building
here.
Then
they
added
this
building
here
and
they
added
this
building
here
then
they
had
to
add
some
parking
here
and
also
they
don't
have
enough
parking.
So
they
asked
us
about
8
10
years
ago
if
they
could
increase
the
parking
here,
because
they
have
so
much
more
services.
They've
added
like
adult
daycare
kind
of
like
the
universities
at
at
their
clinic,
and
they
asked
if
they
could
have
some
parking.
We
consistent.
We
asked
a
few
things.
Q
Could
you
not
put
trash
on
this
side?
Could
you
not
have
staff
park
here
that
worked
24
hours
a
day,
and
could
you
not
plow
this
area
at
4:00?
In
the
morning
they
said
yes,
6
months
later,
plowing
trash
parking
staff
parking,
they
they
locked
their
cars.
It's
all
unattended
right,
but
everybody
wants
to
hear
the
door
lock
right
so
4:00
in
the
morning
when
they're
doing
transitional
stuff,
they
lock
the
car
and
you
hear
a
chirp
when
the
winter
comes
and
they
plow
they
drop
their
blades.
Q
Bang,
bang
bang
as
they
plow
when
they
go
in
Reverse.
They
have
the
alarms
right
because
you
got
to
protect
the
the
people
that
might
be
out
for
in
the
morning
and
so
I
here
is
the
reverse
sirens
going
off
as
they
reverse
back
to
plow
lighting.
We
talked
about
that.
They
have
lighting
for
here.
I
asked
when
I
moved
in
I
said:
there's
anything
I
can
do
so.
The
light
doesn't
come
in
our
house,
it's
so
bright.
They
said,
I
could
fix
it.
Q
You
know
I
just
wanted
to
take
the
money
and
do
it
the
general
manager.
The
time
was
actually
really
great
after
we
got
to
him
and
he
ended
up
spray-painting
the
side
of
the
lights
that
faced
our
home,
which
helped,
but
now
that
spray-paint
started
to
wear
off.
That's
coming
back,
you
can't
smoke,
I,
don't
think.
Can
you
smoke
on
the
campus
so
nor
can
Wesley
acres.
So
where
do
they
smoke?
Q
Do
you
think
my
yard,
because
that's
off
the
campus,
so
they
come
over
and
they
smoke
so
you're
gonna
get
smokers
that
are
gonna
come
eventually
around
here
into
the
neighborhoods
and
I
pick
up
the
cigarette
butts
and
take
care
of
my
neighborhood.
The
best
I
can
here
there
used
to
be
about
20,
large
trees,
25
50
year
old
trees
that
were
nice
buffers
when
I
came
home
one
day,
25
of
them
were
gone
because
they
decided
they
were
a
nuisance.
They
were
hard
to
upkeep.
So
now
I
get
to
look
at
the
entire
campus.
Q
They
did
plant
I
think
for
young
pine
trees
in
this
place
after
I
called.
That's
probably
for
me,
vibration,
noise,
I,
hear
all
the
generators,
so
when
the
bells
start
to
go,
I
get
that
call
I,
call
Westlake
and
say:
hey,
I,
think
your
generator,
your
belts
going
on
one
of
your
air
conditioners
and
they
say:
oh
thank
you
and
they
go
change
it.
This
generator
I
think
they
stated
the
power
goes
off
25
times.
Is
that
correct?
Q
That's
25
times
you're
going
to
wake
up
your
neighbors
and
that
thing
goes
off
25
times
when
those
things
go
off,
they're
loud,
no,
two
ways
about
them:
they
could
take
this
generator
and
move
it
right
here,
closer
to
campus
closer
to
grammar.
It's
already
noisier
people
change,
you're,
gonna
change.
The
City
Council
is
gonna
change.
Everybody
at
that
table
is
gonna
change
the
neighborhood
stage.
My
house
is
1910.
Been
there
a
long
time,
I've
liked
an
iconic
neighborhood,
not
to
be
kind
of
destroyed
by
what
the
school
says
they
need
for
parking.
Q
They
work
8:00
to
5:00.
We
lived
there
24
hours,
seven
days
a
week,
I'm
gonna
be
there
on
Christmas
and
Christmas
Eve.
The
Beast
is
never
satiated.
Most
businesses
can't
get
enough
right.
All
we
have
is
broken
promises
from
my
neighbor
at
Wesley
acres.
I.
Think
that's!
What's
gonna
happen
if
you
allow
this
to
occur.
Thank
you
very
much.
F
R
It
three
three
one
for
John,
Lynde,
Road
I'm,
a
member
of
the
Greenwood
historic
Neighborhood,
Association
and
I'm,
not
gonna
duplicate
other
people's
comments,
but
one
thing
I
will
add
to
our
discussion
of
water.
Quality
is
for
about
nine
and
a
half
years.
I
lived
right
here:
I
was
thinkin,
107
Lincoln
place
drive
about
80
feet
from
my
neighbor's
house
that
had
to
be
torn
down
and
2007
purchased
by
the
city
and
destroyed
the
reason
that
that
happened
is
clearly
illustrated
by
this
graph.
This
is
a
huge
downhill
slope
right
here.
R
The
water
that
comes
through
here
is
significant
and
by
all
accounts,
unruhe
mediated
I.
Think
it's
also
worth
noting
that
there's
a
huge
collection
basin
right
here
where
all
the
water
is
supposed
to
go,
neither
the
city
nor
anybody
else
has
ever
addressed.
What
happens
to
it
after
that?
To
echo
the
comments,
so
that's
a
totally
unimproved
basin
that
this
water
is
being
thrown
into
the
initial
presentation
by
D
mu
is
brought
to
you
by
an
attorney
and
mr.
Manning
I
think
notably,
did
not
provide
you
any
rule
or
standard,
or
anything
like
that.
R
That
is
germane
to
your
decision,
because
this
is
your
discretion.
This
is
your
choice.
You
get
to
decide
whether
this
is
a
good
idea
or
not
on
April
6th
mm.
This
panel
also
had
that
same
discretion
had
that
same
choice.
When
this
extent
extension
to
Ryan
Hall
was
proposed,
councilman
Mandelbaum
provided
us
with
the
minutes
of
that
meeting
and
I,
don't
know
if
these
are
in
your
packet.
We
can
certainly
provide
them
to
you,
but
I
want
to
hit
on
something
that
was
said
in
the
initial
presentation.
R
So
something
that
was
stated
in
the
initial
presentation
was
that
the
reason
why
no
more
parking
could
occur
was
because
they
wanted
a
formal
process
attached
to
the
parking.
Well,
if
you
read
the
minutes
of
the
meeting
that
yeah
okay,
so
that
we
have
the
I,
don't
know
how
to
use
this,
so
we
have
the
April
6th,
2000
meeting
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission,
and
then
so
here.
R
There's
discussion
that
precedes
the
summary
of
the
discussion
and
at
the
bottom
Dan
Flaherty
asked
if
they
would
be
willing
to
accept
no
further
parking
encroachment
into
the
residential
as
a
restriction.
There's
no
discussion
of
formality
here,
then
they
go
on
to
have
the
discussion
and
say
this
encroachment
would
extend
into
the
residential,
oh
I'm,
sorry,
the
encroachment
would
extend
into
the
residential
and
we
don't
want
it
to
go
any
further
south
than
it
is,
and
another
commissioner
echoed
the
comments
that
they
would
like
that
to
be
a
condition.
R
R
You
would
not
want
to
be
one
of
the
people
living
in
those
homes,
seeing
where
this
is
going.
That
right.
There
should
tell
you
that
this
is
not
a
good
idea.
They
did
not
think
it
was
a
good
idea
in
April
2000
when
they
decided
this
parking
should
not
be
extended,
and
it's
not
an
idea.
Now
it's
not
a
good
idea
now.
So
we
ask
that
you
reject
this
request.
K
S
K
K
A
K
K
K
The
highlighted
section
reads
in
part
that
if
any
other
local
ordinance
or
regulation
required
requires
a
greater
size
of
open
spaces
or
imposes
other
higher
standards
than
are
required
by
regulations
made
under
Chapter
this
chapter
4:14,
then
in
that
case
the
other
local
ordinance
governs.
So
the
other
local
ordinance
that
would
govern
in
this
case
to
me
is
an
enormous,
the
ordinance
that
dmu
is
well
aware
of
the
one
that
they
agree
to
the
one
that
they
signed.
K
This
is
a
local
ordinance
to
me,
this
would
take
precedence
over
any
sort
of
rule
that
would
allow
parking
expansion.
For
these
reasons,
I
request
that
you
vote
to
oppose
it
and
I,
don't
even
know
that
it's
legal
for
them
to
expand
parking.
The
way
I
read
this.
It
is
not
and
I'm
happy
to
discuss
this
with
the
MU
I
reached
out
to
them
before
and
I've
received
no
response,
I'm
happy
to
discuss
this
with
the
architect.
But
to
me
this
is
contrary,
Taiyo
a
state
code.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
H
G
Evening,
my
name
is
Mary
Claire,
usul,
ding
and
I
live
at
3223,
Elmwood
Drive
I'm,
one
of
those
people
along
the
bottom
of
the
picture
there.
When
I
look
out
my
North
and
East
windows,
my
direct
view
is
of
the
property.
That's
under
discussion
tonight.
I.
Don't
have
any
pictures
to
show
you,
so
maybe
that's
a
good
thing.
I,
don't
have
any
quarrel
with
dmu
as
a
health
service
provider.
I've
had
positive
experiences
there,
but
as
a
corporate
citizen,
that's
another
story.
G
I
have
many
reasons,
both
personal
and
as
a
neighbor
for
opposing
the
university's
application
for
rezoning
and
for
lifting
the
ordinance
of
the
year
2000,
but
most
of
them
have
already
been
addressed
here.
So
I
just
like
to
make
a
few
couple
of
additional
points.
I
bought
my
home
on
Elmwood
Drive
in
2007,
moved
here
from
Chicago
after
I
retired
to
be
near.
My
grandchildren
and
I
fell
in
love
with
the
south
of
grand
neighborhood,
the
rolling
land,
the
woodsy
field
so
close
to
the
downtown
the
unique
and
well
cared
for
homes.
G
It's
a
very
special
neighborhood
when
I
found
a
house
that
I
now
live
in
in
a
price
that
I
could
afford.
The
tipping
point
for
me
was
the
view
now.
I
did
my
due
diligence.
I
asked
my
agent
what
the
deal
was
with
that
property.
She
researched
it
and
told
me
it
was
owned
by
Des
Moines
University,
but
they
were
prevented
by
ordinance
from
expanding
their
campus
on
to
it.
G
I
dare
say
there
are
other
residents
who
bought
with
the
same
understanding
the
land
in
question
that
all
the
undeveloped
land
is
a
beautiful
neighborhood
amenity
for
all
who
see
it.
It's
home
to
dear
2pi,
elated,
woodpeckers,
Hawks,
wood,
chalk,
woodchucks,
a
pair
of
fact,
pairs
of
foxes,
families
of
barred,
owls
and
not
to
mention
the
ubiquitous
raccoons.
But
now
that
all
might
change,
which
brings
me
to
my
second
point.
It's
easy
to
see
why
this
land
is
a
tempting
target
for
dmu.
G
G
The
dmu
would
abide
by
the
agreement
of
may
2000
not
to
encroach
on
the
are
180
property
and
it's
costly
to
us,
both
in
terms
of
its
power
to
lower
the
value
of
our
homes
and
also
to
lower
our
quality
of
life
through
an
increase
of
visual
light
and
noise
pollution
and
I'm,
not
even
talking
about
flooding,
that's
a
whole.
Another
thing,
finally,
I.
Ask
myself
and
I:
ask
you:
what's
ahead?
G
Are
the
initiatives
of
the
past
year
or
so
merely
an
opening
salvo
and
what
looks
like
an
ongoing
war?
The
incremental
approach
is
like
pulling
the
band-aid
off
one
hair
at
a
time.
This
is
the
promise
of
endless
conflict.
Will
we
be
here
in
this
room
every
couple
of
years
defending
our
homes?
In
addition
to
concerns
over
the
future
encroachment
and
the
erosion
of
property
values,
we
residents
right
now
are
paying
a
big
price
in
the
stress
and
anxiety
that
comes
from
always
having
to
be
on
the
alert
for
when
dmu
is
going
to
drop.
G
T
My
name
is
Marc
kleiner
was
born
and
raised
in
Beaver
Dale
I
went
to
Holy
Trinity
in
Hoover
High
School
growing
up
I
couldn't
wait
to
get
out
of
Des
Moines
after
college
I
moved
to
Kenai
Alaska
and
then
to
Houston
Texas.
A
common
thread
between
these
locations
is
that
they
seem
to
have
lacked
zoning
laws.
T
During
my
time,
living
in
Houston
I
came
to
think
of
it
as
a
bit
of
an
armpit
of
a
city,
I'd
see
beautiful
historic,
neighborhoods
bookended
by
parking,
lots
and
strip
clubs
in
2010,
my
wife
and
Rochelle
and
I
moved
back
to
Des.
Moines
I
fell
in
love
with
the
city.
Des
Moines
is
everything
Houston's,
not
very
specifically,
it
seems
Des
Moines
has
grown
and
been
developed
in
a
way
that
preserves
the
beauty
and
character
of
the
city.
T
I
live
south
of
Grand
as
many
of
the
people
in
this
room
know
it's
a
beautiful
wooded
neighborhood.
It's
common
sense
that
we
should
not
allow
rezoning
of
the
wooded
area
in
our
neighborhood
for
a
parking
lot.
I
completely
opposed
this
and
urged
the
Zoning
Board
to
listen
to
our
voices
and
reject
Des
Moines
University's.
Ever
effort
to
rezone
this
land,
regardless
of
what
the
zoning
board
recommends
today,
I
want
to
remind
everyone
in
the
room
that
the
City
Council
will
be.
T
The
ones
will
ultimately
decide
whether
or
not
to
rezone
this
land
I
want
to
take
this
format.
To
also
appeal
to
our
elected
officials.
We
have
a
new
councilman
for
the
Third
Ward
Josh
Mandelbaum.
We
stated
our
native
neighborhood
meeting
that
he's
in
favor
of
the
rezoning
effort
I'd
like
to
urge
the
councilman
to
rethink
his
position
and
stand
with
his
constituents
and
unconditionally
opposed
the
parking
lot.
T
U
Can
you
hear
me
okay,
this
is
the
problem
right
here.
This
little
bear,
let's
see
it
on
here,
a
little
stream
that
runs
I,
guess
from
there
water
retention
pool,
which
they
lets
silt
over
over
the
past
over
years,
runs
down
into
this
street
several
times
a
year,
probably
five
or
six
times
a
year.
That
Street
is
a
raging
river.
It's
dangerous,
I've,
seen
cars
coming
down
the
street,
no
warning
at
all,
just
slam
on
their
brakes.
Some
of
them
have
tried
to
go
through
it.
They
back
out
and
they're
at
about
halfway
through
I.
U
Remember
that
I
moved
down
here
in
2012
I,
remember
the
first
heavy
rain
we
had
it
wasn't
that
it
wasn't
like
what
happened.
Last
June,
it
was
just
your
normal
heavy
rain
and
I
looked
out
the
door
and
the
first
words
out
of
my
mouth.
Oh
my
god,
and
the
second
words
out
of
my
mouth
were
to
my
four-year-old
daughter,
I
said:
don't
you
ever
go
down
there
when
it's
raining,
and
so
my
primary
concern
really
is
safety?
U
U
It's
amazing
I
used
to
recognize
younger
and
dumber
I
used
to
run
class
4
Rapids
up
in
the
Rocky
Mountains
and
were
nothing
like
what's
coming
down
that
Street
during
these
rainstorms.
So
just
you
know
for
the
good
of
the
neighborhood
for
the
good
of
this
city,
and
maybe
even
for
the
good
of
dmu
in
the
case
that
there's
a
terrible
incident
during
one
of
these
floods
I
would
strongly
encourage
you
to
reject
this
proposal.
Thank
you.
V
Chris
Nilan
Legere
3511,
st.
John's
Road
I,
will
warn
you.
I
am
very
passionate
about
this
neighborhood,
so
passionate
that
when
the
city
started
the-
and
this
is
the
draft
des
moines
2020
community
character
plan,
we
got
on
board
and
I
organized
the
neighborhood
I'm,
the
first
president,
but
we
were.
V
We
met
once
a
month
in
our
dining
room,
everybody,
my
husband
and
I,
have
probably
we
have
lived
in
four
houses
in
the
neighborhood
people,
just
kind
of
play:
music
hall
houses,
but
I
obviously
very
opposed
to
this,
because
what
it
says
des
moines
traditional
neighborhoods
have
character
worth
protecting
and
existing
neighborhoods
landmark
structures
should
be
preserved.
We
are
we
have.
We
have
need
to
protect
our
national
natural
resources,
preserve
an
enhanced
des
moines
urban
character.
It's
on
it's
all
in
here,
and
this
comes
from
the
city,
so
we're
organized
we're,
passionate.
V
W
But
you
can,
you
can
get
a
bit
of
a
sense
of
the
amount
of
water
that
was
going
through
there
12
hours
and
certainly
was
a
big
event.
We
all
know
is
a
big
event,
but
you
know
what
it's
not
the
first
time
we've
lived
there
for
25
years
and
consistently
year
after
year
after
year,
we
have
Sigma
Brown
that
water
was
significant
erosion.
W
But
this
is
our
property
line
now
and
it's
eroded
underneath
of
our
property,
it
used
to
be
15
feet
out
behind
there,
all
of
that
water.
All
the
water
behind
our
neighbors
comes
from
Des
Moines
University.
We
have
a
combination
of
Des,
Moines,
University
and
water.
That's
coming
from
the
top
of
the
hill.
That's
also
been
developed,
so
that's
all
I
have
to
say
about
water.
The
issue
is
really
about
the
neighborhood
and
about
the
the
what's
happening
with
Des
Moines
University.
Why
did
that
exist
in
the
issue
exist
in
2000?
W
It
didn't
start
in
2000.
It
started
in
1986
1987
when
they
built
that
as
near
medical
clinic.
That's
that
was
just
the
beginning.
In
fact,
if
you
go
back
and
you
get
pictures
of
1985-1986,
there
was
another
street.
The
streets
gone,
the
streets
absolutely
gone.
This
is
all
the
houses
that
were
on
that
street
are
gone
too.
W
So
it's
it's
just
a
continual
erosion
of
not
only
the
the
soil
but
the
entire
area
as
a
result
of
just
not
really
taking
a
look
at
what
you
could
do
to
just
fix
things
up
at
the
front
of
the
property
which
is
on
Grant
Avenue
and
have
a
nice
campus.
We
will
all
want
that,
but
this
has
just
been
consistent,
30
plus
years
of
really
no
concern
for
what
is
going
to
happen
in
the
neighborhood.
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say
obviously
I
think
you
should
vote
against
any
change
in
zoning.
X
My
name
is
Susan
Fisher
and
I
live
at
32:39
Alma
Drive
I'm
wondering
one
of
the
properties
just
directly
to
the
south.
Our
home
was
built
in
1917
and
we've
lived
in
it
since
1991.
Our
property
sits
directly
south
of
Des
Moines
University
in
Des,
Moines
sits,
moines
university,
sits
on
a
hill
overlooking
our
home
and
the
other
homes
in
the
neighborhood.
Our
neighborhood
has
been
around
longer
than
dmu
and
is
a
comfortable
residential
community,
in
fact,
a
community
so
nice
that
dmu
advertises
it
in
their
own
recruiting
materials.
X
We've
lived
here
longer
than
most
of
the
main
buildings
existing
on
DM
use,
campus
a
campus
that
primarily
consisted
of
the
old
st.
joseph´s
Academy
for
Girls
building.
When
we
moved
in,
we
have
watched
D
mu
ad
buildings
in
a
parking
ramp
on
its
property
to
the
north,
but
have
known
that
they
needed
to
stay
along
Grand
Avenue
corridor
because
of
Zoning
prevented
them
from
moving
south
d
mu
backs
up
to
an
are
180
residential
zoning.
X
That's
been
in
place
long
before
D
mu
occupied
the
site
18
years
ago,
when
D
mu
wanted
to
rezone
a
portion
to
add
parking
back
toward
our
home
and
our
neighborhood
agreed.
It
agreed
to
a
condition,
but
after
it
received
that
rezoning,
it
would
no
longer
and
toward
the
residential
area
behind
it.
That
condition
was
placed
in
the
zoning
ordinance
by
the
City
of
Des
Moines
Council.
Now
dmu
seeks
to
change
the
long-standing
are
180
zoning
and
release
the
condition
put
in
place.
X
Dmu
wants
to
place
a
generator
the
size
of
a
semi
tractor-trailer
in
its
back
yard.
It
will
be
located
south
of
its
southernmost
street,
where
it
won't
have
to
look
at
it
and
it
will
run
it
parallel
to
its
property,
so
it
will
take
up
the
least
amount
of
its
own
campus.
By
doing
that,
it
also
puts
the
generator
on
top
of
the
hill,
overlooking
the
homes
in
our
neighborhood.
Parallel
to
our
neighborhood
will
have
the
most
visibility
to
us
DM.
X
You
should
make
an
effort
to
locate
this
generator
on
its
existing
property
zoned
before
it
turns
to
rezoning
property.
It
agreed
not
to
rezone
and
property
that
has
been
zoned
for
many
decades.
As
our
180
DM,
you
wants
to
move
parking
south
and,
as
the
use
of
the
its
property
has
intensified,
it
is
not
planned
to
accommodate
that
intensity,
which
has
caused
increased
runoff
of
stormwater,
but
it
is
also
increased,
caused
a
need
for
increased
parking
like
the
generator
it's.
X
X
B
My
name
is
Nancy
Norman
and
I
live
at
3103,
Elmwood
Drive,
which
is
on
the
corner
on
that
yellow
corner
here,
I
have
lived
in
the
neighborhood
for
42
years.
One
of
my
best
friends
lived
in
the
house
that
eventually
had
to
be
torn
down
and
I've
lived
in
the
neighborhood,
where
the
other
one
was
torn
down
on
Lincoln
place
Drive.
So
my
concern
is
the
water
as
part
of
the
packet
that
we
received
from
DMU.
B
There
was
a
seven
at
least
a
seventy
five
page
document
called
the
storm
water
management
plan
and
I.
Don't
have
all
of
those
75
pages
with
me,
but
based
upon
what
I
could
understand
from
this
technical
document
of
charts
and
numbers
is
that
different
scenarios
are
posed.
What
if
it
rains
1.25
inches.
This
will
happen
what,
if
it
rains
two
inches.
This
will
happen.
Well,
it's
all
scenarios
and
I
know
a
lot
of
tuition
and
a
lot
of
experience
went
into
this
document,
but
it's
still
just
an
estimate.
B
I'm
sure
that
the
pond
behind
the
Art
Center,
where
they're,
trying
to
clear
up
the
algae,
has
a
similar
document
like
this
and
it
doesn't
seem
to
have
worked
very
well
I
think
they
had
a
similar
plan
four
years
ago
for
the
ledges,
where
they
said,
flooding
would
never
happen
for
a
hundred
years
and
it
happened
the
next
year.
So
having
lived
there
for
42
years,
having
seen
the
water
come,
rushing
down
that
Creek
for
a
block
taking
a
left
to
go
toward
the
house
that
the
gentleman
talked
about
it
was
on
30th
Street.
B
It's
real
I
once
asked
mr.
Grasso
I
believe
in
order
to
do
this
parking
lot.
Would
he
have
to
put
in
fill,
and
he
said
five
feet
of
fill
will
keep
in
mind.
I
live
downhill
from
Des
Moines
University,
so
five
feet
of
fill
to
me
is
a
lot
bigger
number
than
five
feet.
If
you're
standing
up
on
that
parking
lot,
I
too
have
randomly
gone
to
the
parking
lot
location
where,
where
they
already
have
cars
and
to
see
how
many
cars
are
parked
there,
the
first
morning
I
went
was
early.
B
Who,
who
do
you
think,
was
parked
there?
The
construction
trucks
working
on
the
stormwater
plan
I've
been
there
to
a
clap
in
the
afternoon?
It's
not
full
I've
been
there
four
o'clock
in
the
afternoon.
It's
not
full
I've
gone
to
events.
There
I've
gone
to
class.
There
I've
gone
to
physical
therapy
there
and
I've
been
able
to
park,
so
people
aren't
driving
as
many
cars
as
they
used
to
so
I'm.
Not
even
sure
this
is
I,
don't
think
it's
a
scientifically
explored
idea
about
how
many
parking
lots
basically
need-
and
you
know
this
is
populism.
Y
My
name
is
David
Stewart
I'm
at
3103,
Elmwood
Drive,
so
I
am
right
here
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
too
AM
am
opposed
to
the
proposal
by
the
school
and
ditto
to
everything
my
eloquent
neighbors
have
said
before:
I,
don't
have
a
whole
lot
to
add.
I
just
wanted
to
say
one
thing
about
the
children
that
lived
there,
because
my
12
year
old
daughter,
the
last
thing
you
know
she
said
to
me
when
I
left
tonight
was
you
know,
don't
let
him
take
away
the
let
him
tell
them.
Y
Ask
him
to
leave
that
area
unchanged
for
the
deer
and
the
occasional
turkey
and
the
foxes
and
owls
that,
just
with
this
kind
of
random
serendipity
come
into
our
yard.
We
can
see
him
in
the
woods
there.
It's
beautiful
there
are
not
very
many
of
these
heavily
wooded
areas
inside
our
city
limits
and
I
think
we
should
protect
them
and
again
I.
Second,
everything
that
my
neighbors
have
said
before.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
F
Good
evening
I'm
Shane
Larson
I'm
at
331,
7
Elmo
Drive
on
this
property,
that's
represented
by
this
yellow
area.
Here
two
years
ago,
this
past
August,
my
wife
and
I,
and
our
four
children
moved
here
from
New
York
City
since
that
time
and
purchased
that
property
back
in
February
under
the
review
that
there
would
be
no
more
development
within
that
area
around
us.
So
we
were
blessed.
We
have
lots
of
acres
of
wooded
area,
plus
there's
lots
of
undeveloped
area
around
us
and
it's
it's
gorgeous.
F
It
is
what
I
would
call
I
am
a
full-time
farmer
and
I
would
qualify.
All
of
that
area
is
highly
erodible
and
I
think
gets
pretty
clear.
Even
if
a
farmer
can't
build
on
highly
erodible
land,
why
would
you
allow
development
in
a
highly
erodible
area
to
happen?
I
would
also
say
you
know,
since
we
have
moved
here.
F
This
is
something
I
may
not
get
in
another
city,
and
you
know
it's
great
to
hear
some
of
the
community
members
that
have
lived
here
for
for
so
long
and
it
is,
it
is
turning
over
where
there's
there's
more
kids
that
are
coming
in
and,
like
I
said,
I've
got
four
kids
within
this
neighborhood
and
the
whole
reason
we
bought
here
is
the
kids
love
the
open
space.
A
couple
things
I
would
note
one
I'm
a
we
all
in
this
neighborhood
pay
a
substantial
amount
of
property
taxes.
F
This
year
alone
we
had
a
massive
increase
in
property
taxes
and
that's
based
on
property
value.
That
will
surely
do
nothing
but
go
down.
It
may
seem
inconsequential
that
they're
only
asking
for
a
parking
lot
and
a
generator,
but
what
you've
really
heard
is
incremental
and
additional
amendments,
and
that's
really
what
this
is
all
about
is
trying
to
preserve
the
neighborhood
as
it
is.
Please
also
know
you
had
no
votes
indicated
from
this.
This
region
here.
F
Had
you
crossed
the
street
or
gone
anywhere
else
again,
no
votes,
there's
a
reason.
There
were
no
cards,
there
was
no
cards.
You
saw
no
vote
for
me
because
there
was
no
cards
well,
perhaps
in
the
mail
I've
missed
it,
but
no
car.
The
point
is:
is
that
I
think
you've
stoped
the
entire
community
into
angst
because
of
this?
Not
just
this
development,
but
the
potential
development
that
will
be
incremental.
F
The
lady
using
the
term
incremental
band-aid
and
pulling
it
off
a
hair
at
a
time
is
so
fitting
here
so
again,
tax
dollars
are
at
risk,
property
values
are
at
risk
and
I
again,
I
think
you've
stoked
a
community
that
is
highly
out
there
voting
for
the
community
members.
So
again,
thank
you
for
time.
I
would
only
ask
that
you
reject
this
claim.
Thank
you.
A
S
That
is
the
location
of
my
house.
I
am
directly
east
of
the
drainage
basin
that
comes
through
so
really
quickly.
The
few
points
that
I
want
to
make
is
just
I
I
agree
with
everything.
That's
been
said,
the
lack
of
need
I
have
not
seen
that
in
the
past
year,
I
as
a
patient
of
dmu
and
a
neighbor
drive
through
there
regularly
and
I've
seen
lots
of
open
spots.
So
again,
it's
I
haven't
seen
that
I
guess.
I
would
like
more
of
a
study.
S
As
far
as
the
demonstration
of
the
true
current
need
that
one
there's
two
things
that
have
not
been
mentioned
about
is
the
elevation
is
there's
so
much
light
pollution
already
down
to
us,
especially
this
time
of
year,
and
so
as
development
continues.
That
would
be
another
another
thing
is
you
talked
about
this
being
an
urban
campus?
You
have
dmu
students
who
don't
really
have
walkable
access
to
other
green
space.
S
We
see
from
where
I'm
at
a
lot
of
time,
students
back
there
playing
frisbee
hiking
around,
especially
on
the
weekends
we'll
see
that
and
with
the
limited
amount
of
green
space.
I
think
that's
something.
That's
considerate
and
it's
a
big
asset,
I
think
for
dmu
to
say:
hey.
We
do
have
this
spot
where
kids
can
also
recreative
right
around
campus.
S
The
last
thing
I
want
to
say,
is,
and
nobody's
really
touched
on-
is
there's
actually
three
notable
streams
that
come
together
in
the
back
northwest
corner
my
property.
So
again,
I
use
the
my
DSM
mobile
app
that
the
city
has
wonderfully
provided.
I
frequently
use
it.
You
know
numerous
times
you
can
look
at
my
history
request
the
city
to
come
out
and
clear,
the
drainage
basin
and
that's
located
right.
S
Are
there,
as
far
as
that
is
to
help
gather
the
water
and
hold
it
a
little
bit,
but
it's
just
overflows
and
storms.
It
gets
clogged
with
lugs
and
trunks
of
trees.
There's
been
multiple
times
where
there's
been
deer
carcasses
and
there
because
it
does,
it
gets
caught
in
all
that
water
and
it
really
is
not
a
safe
thing
and
then
July
or
June
July
event.
I
had
the
water
was
actually
six
feet
from
the
west
side
of
my
property.
S
O
Chris
Dahlberg
I'll
leave
it
3219.
Allenwood
I've
lived
a
lot
of
places
where
they
have
flooding
and
I've
seen
some
pretty
impressive
flooding
and
I
gotta
tell
you
it
like
June
I
was
in
all
the
mono
water
that
came
down
that
little
tiny
little
stream
lifting
pieces
of
asphalt
out
of
the
road
and
moving
him
and
later
on
people
would
drag
him
back
and
shove
him
in
the
spots
like
little
puzzles
that
can
be
solved
by
more
money.
O
You
throw
money
at
that
detention
pond
and
keep
more
ponds
and
end
the
flooding
problem
or
at
least
mitigate
at
the
point
where
it
doesn't
exist.
But
this
isn't
about
that.
This
is
about
the
Trojan
horse,
we're
starting
it
now.
Incrementally
we've
heard
of
invert
everybody's
argument,
I've
been
around
developers
and
developments.
I
know
what's
going
on,
they
know
what's
going
on
effect,
if
you
listened
to
what
you
talked
about
it's
in
the
future,
it's
coming,
it
needs
to
be
stopped.
There
was
there's
already
things
that
were
passed
passed
in
issues,
they're
passed,
there's
letters.
O
H
H
I
would
recommend
that
you
can
do
one
of
two
things.
I,
obviously
in
rebuttal
is
do
and
that
can
be
as
quick
or
as
needed,
but
you
could
either
contend
that
continue.
The
hearing
could
vote
to
continue
the
hearing
or
allow
for
the
rebuttal,
and
it
will
continue
de-facto
because
you
will
not
be
able
to
act
so
that
would
be
January
17
could.
J
A
A
Z
I'm,
the
one
who
has
to
leave
and
I
apologize
for
that
I
just
want
to
I,
want
to
thank
the
neighbors
for
showing
up
I,
think
the
challenge
I
have
is
someone
that's
been
appointed
in
a
volunteer
is,
is
that
the
applicant
and
the
neighbors
are
so
far
apart.
I
work
in
the
area,
I
appreciate
the
historic
value
of
the
area,
I
understand
the
preservation
of
the
trees
and
the
wildlife,
and
all
that
and
I.
Z
Also,
you
know
I'm
exposed
to
to
the
runoff
in
these
areas
and
I
know
how
about
it
is
adding
a
parking
lot
is
not
this
solution
at
this
point.
Obviously,
we
have
major
water
retention
problems
in
this
area,
so
I
would
not
be
in
support
of
staff,
but
you
know
I
appreciate
the
neighbors
showing
up-
and
my
hope
is-
is
that
DM
you
can
come
back
with
the
plan
and
the
neighborhoods
can
come
back
and,
and
everyone
can
find
middle
ground
to
make
this
work.
That's
all
I
have
any.
A
A
E
A
Are
you
done
yeah,
which,
on
the
for
continuous
item
to
January
17th,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify?
By
raising
your
hand,
all
right
motion
passes,
so
we
will
whether
you
know
votes
I'm.
Sorry,
all
right!
So
our
final
item
tonight
we're
going
to
I'm
going
to
take
our
office
late,
January
meeting.