►
From YouTube: 2-7-19 Plan & Zoning Commission
Description
Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, Feb. 7, 2019 in Des Moines, Iowa.
Agenda: http://www.dmgov.org/Government/Boards/PlanandZoningCommission/Aganda/20190207%20Agenda.pdf
Help us caption & translate this video!
https://amara.org/v/C0suw/
A
Des
moines
planning,
Zoning
Commission
meeting.
This
is
February
7th.
These
are
our
rules
and
procedures.
The
Planning
Commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
City
Council.
The
City
Council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
then
make
a
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
this
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plans.
Unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
are
appealed,
please
contact
the
city
clerk
or
the
Community
Development
staff
for
details
of
the
City
Council
hearings.
A
Applicants
tonight
will
be
given
ten
minutes
to
present
the
request,
and
then
proponents
and
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
being
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes.
The
applicant
is
that
allows
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
The
hearing
is
then
closed
and
the
Commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
All
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
A
Please
notify
the
city
at
least
three
business
days
in
advance
at
two
eight
three,
four,
two:
zero
nine
should
special
accommodations
be
required,
assisted
listening
devices
are
available
for
meetings
in
this
room
planning.
Zoning
commission
meetings
are
broadcast
on
media,
cable,
channel,
7.1
or
7.2
for
customers
with
that
service
transportation
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
can
be
scheduled
to
and
from
Dart
Central
Station
at
6:20
Terry
Street
to
reserve
your
route.
A
Please
call
dart
on
call
scheduling
at
two
eight
three,
eight
one,
three
six
calls
for
trips
will
be
accepted
up
until
5:00
p.m.
of
the
day
prior
to
this
meeting,
and
please
be
sure
to
mention
your
request
that
you
require
transportation
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
meetings
at
this
location.
This
notice
is
intended
to
comply
with
accessibility
requirements
of
the
Americans
with
Disabilities
Act,
so
we
have
established
it
looks
like
a
quorum.
Thank
you
and
I'll
go
through.
A
We
have
one
item
currently
on
consent,
I'm
gonna,
read
that
item
and
just
make
sure
that
it
can
be
made
on
consent.
This
is
a
request
from
the
Des
Moines
Griffon,
building
at
319,
seventh
Street
for
vacation
of
a
four
foot
by
four
foot
segment
of
the
adjoining
east/west
alley
to
allow
for
a
new
egress
door
swing
into
the
alley
again
by
being
a
consent
item.
That
means
that
we
will
not
hear
this
item.
Unless
is
there
anyone
in
the
public
in
the
audience
tonight?
A
A
Item
number
two
is
a
request
from
TK
development
for
review
and
approval
of
a
second
amendment
to
the
preliminary
flat
for
South
wood
estates
and
property
low
at
3,800
Southwest
56th
Street,
to
allow
revision
to
that
plant
on
the
southern
portion
of
the
property
to
reconfigure
the
street
layout
and
provide
for
a
total
of
63
single-family
residential
lots.
I
understand
that
the
applicant
has
agreed
to
the
requirements
recommended
by
the
city
that
correct
is
the
applicant
with
us
tonight
to
affirm
that,
and
is
that
correct
that
you
do
right?
Okay,
thank
you!
A
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
does
was
just
to
consider
this
item
tonight,
otherwise
the
Commission
will
vote
to
put
it
on
consent,
seeing
that
is
there.
Anyone
on
the
commission
that
does
wish
to
really
decide
them
as
a
public
hearing
all
right,
seeing
an
interaction
to
move
it
to
consent,
move.
A
Thank
you
now,
I,
don't
number
three
is
the
request:
didn't
go
convenience
stores
or
review
an
approval
of
the
site
plan?
You
can
go
100
Watchers
to
allow
under
design
guidelines
for
gas
stations
on
property
located
at
100
Watchers
to
allow
construction
of
a
three
thousand
eighty
square
foot
convenience
store
with
a
count.
Island
canopy
for
the
six
fueling
locations
is
my
understanding
that
the
applicant
wishes
to
continue
this
item
to
our
February
21
meeting.
Yes,
February
1st,
all
right
the
applicant
here
to
affirm
that
no
that's
disgusting
that
you've
had
with
the
applicant.
C
A
B
A
A
D
A
A
C
A
The
applicate
here
today
to
affirm
that
thank
you,
and
is
there
anyone
in
the
audience,
though,
that
wishes
to
hear
this
item
tonight
all
right.
Seeing
none
is
there
anyone
on
the
Commission
all
right
in
sir?
No
thank
you.
Dan
all
right.
It's
been
moved
that
we
move
item
number
four
to
our
consent
agenda.
All
of
those
in
favor.
Please
signify
by
raising
your
hand.
A
Thank
you
all
right
and
then
item
number
six,
which
is
request
from
brown
dog
Realty
to
rezone
property
at
2110.
What
kind
of
you
drive
again
it's
my
understanding
that
the
applicant
is
an
agreement
with
the
cities
recommendations
and
we
could
move
this
item
to
consent.
Is
the
applicant
with
us
tonight
to
affirm
that
is
that
correct
that
you
are
in
agreement?
Thank
you.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience,
though,
that
wish
to
hear
this
item
tonight
all
right,
seeing
none
of
their
action
offered
by
the
Commission
to
conform
up
to.
Thank
you,
Dory.
A
A
A
A
A
A
C
C
Just
a
photograph
in
the
street
looking
into
the
sight,
get
you
familiar
with
the
area.
What
it
looks
like
when
we
do
these
reasonings,
we
always
ask
for
a
sense
of
what
the
project
entails.
What
is
the
developer
have
envisioned?
You
know
today
is
a
rezoning
process,
you're,
making
a
recommendation
of
City
Council
beyond
that
there's
the
planning
process.
The
final
lot
lay
out
those
types
of
things
so
just
for
everybody's
sake,
just
wanted
to
refresh
everyone's
memory.
C
We
are
recommending
approval
staff,
their
single-family
development
area.
It
makes
sense
you
know,
as
far
as
conforming
with
the
future
land
use
map.
When
we
look
at
this
proposal
and
other
proposals
like
it,
we've
looked
back
to
see
what
have
we
done
for
similar
proposals,
what
types
of
conditions
what
expectations
have
we
put
forth?
What
is
the
City
Council
asked
others,
and
so
that
is
the
basis
of
the
zoning
conditions
that
we
are
recommending.
C
C
Condition
number
one
is
that
the
proposal
or
the
project
comply
of
chapter
42
of
the
city
code.
This
is
really.
This
is
a
requirement.
They
have
to
do
this,
but
it's
more
for
tracking
purposes.
Put
everybody
on
notice
that
there's
the
tree
removal
mitigation
ordinance.
So
we
always
start
with
that
to
the
development
on
put
upon
the
property
shall
include
a
minimum
of
one
street
tree
per
lot
and
that
it'll
comply
with
the
city
street
tree
policies.
This
is
very
standard
for
subdivisions
and
reasonings
that
come
through.
C
C
C
No
same
house
plan
shall
be
built
on
adjacent
Lots.
Any
house
shall
have
a
full
basement,
less
determined
and
feasible
by
the
building
official
plan
administrator.
Any
house
shall
have
a
minimum
two-car
attached
garage.
The
front
facade
of
any
house
shall
have
a
one
of
the
following:
either
a
front
porch,
that's
60
square
feet
or
stone
and
brick
masonry
siding
cover,
at
least
a
third
of
that
facade.
The
front
facade
all
windows
and
doors
of
any
house
shop
trim
that
is
no
less
than
for
nominal
inches
in
width.
C
C
C
Any
two-story
house
shall
be
constructed
with
a
minimum
of
1,800
square
feet
of
above
grade
floor
area
and
a
thousand
square
feet
being.
On
the
first
floor,
the
exterior
materials
of
any
house
shall
be
consist
of
a
mix
or
one
of
the
following
masonry,
which
is
brick
or
stone,
vinyl
of
no
less
than
0.04
thickness
cedar,
Mason,
eiders
cement,
fiber
board
and
then
a
chain
link
fence
shall
have
a
black
vinyl
coating.
C
We
did
look
at
some
rezoning
that
I
had
Luda
did
this
when
we
when
I
first
started
talking
about
you,
know
over
the
last
couple
years
and
I
I,
don't
want
to
go
in
a
lot
of
detail,
but
I
do
just
want
to
refresh
never
buddies
memory.
Over
the
last
couple
years
we
did
have
a
rezoning
on
South,
East,
34th,
Street,
Lakeview
I
think
is
what
they're
calling
it.
It
was
similar
rezoning
to
an
AR,
170
classification.
We
had
the
same
standards
that
you
see
here
on
this
one.
C
In
2017
we
had
a
rezoning
on
East
County,
Line
Road.
The
applicant
was
solid
ground
LLC
with
Eric
Grubb,
so
we
had
recommended
the
same
conditions
as
previous.
The
Planning
Zoning
Commission
had
sent
an
alternative
recommendation
to
the
City
Council,
which
the
applicant
had
agreed
to
all
of
the
other
conditions,
but
the
house
size
was
a
concern,
so
you
had
sent
a
recommendation
that
dialed
that
back
a
little
bit
once
I
got
to
City
Council.
They
actually
negotiated
kind
of
a
middle
ground.
C
So
we
were
here,
you
were
here
and
the
council
ended
up
being
in
the
middle.
There
was
some
a
little
bit
of
flexibility,
but,
for
the
most
part,
the
numbers
that
were
adopted
in
2016
for
that
rezoning
were
carried
forward
in
2018.
There
was
the
rezoning
on
East,
DeLand,
heart
Avenue,
so
east
of
South
East,
14th
Street
to
the
south
and
the
same
conditions
that
we're
recommending
were
applied
to
that
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
C
The
one
on
on
County
Line
Road
there
were
there
was
a
middle
ground,
some
of
the
Lots
that
the
council
took
what
you
recommended,
but
a
lot
of
lots.
They
required
that
higher
number,
so
they
kind
of
did
a
hybrid
for
that
specific
project,
but
the
other
two
that
I
referenced
match,
what
we're
recommending.
So
they
matched
26.
It's
like
even
odd
numbers,
2016
2018,
with
2017
being
that
one
was
just
a
little
bit
different.
Okay,.
F
Chair
remembers
the
commission.
My
name
is
Brett
call
pond
with
Snyder
&
Associates
at
2727,
Southwest
Snyder
Boulevard
in
Ankeny
Iowa,
representing
the
longleaf
development
with
me
tonight,
is
a
TED
girl
with
Savannah
Holmes,
who
will
be
the
developer
on
the
project
just
kind
of
to
get
it.
Maybe
a
little
better
frame
of
reference
is
our
development
is
the
one
with
the
16
lot
shown
there.
F
4.87
acres,
so
just
under
five
acres,
we
are
requesting
it
from
a1
to
an
AR
160
leave
the
Lots
down
in
here.
It's
a
PVD,
but
those
are
55.
Foot
wide
so
are
a
little
larger,
a
little
larger
setbacks
as
well.
We
held
a
neighborhood
meeting
on
January,
31st
and
seven
folks
attended
it
wasn't
seven
homes
I
think
it
was
three
couples
and
then
a
single
guy,
so
I
think
it
was
in
seven
different
locations
and
they
were
basically
adjacent
and
one
of
the
gentlemen
from
over
there
was
here
with
us
as
well.
F
Our
concept
shows
16
Lots
on
a
cul-de-sac
making
the
loop
connection
we
did
look
at
sanitary,
sewer
extension
would
be
from
here
down
we're.
Looking
at
we've
been
working
with
or
will
working
with
continue
working
with
the
adjacent
neighbors.
We
have
two
options
of
running
it
down
the
east
side
of
the
street,
jumping
across
tor
coming
down
the
west
side
of
the
street.
We
felt
there
was
a
better
benefit
for
the
neighbors
is,
and
it's
less
intrusion
for
that
elementary
school
over
there.
We
felt
would
be
about
a
sixty
thousand
dollar
project.
F
By
the
time
we
get
the
sewer
to
the
development
and
paid
the
connection
fees
and
all
that
as
well
as
far
as
the
water,
the
water
servicing.
Our
development
is
on
the
west
side,
it's
in
great
position
to
just
extend
it
into
the
development
and
then
the
stormwater
drainage
comes
from.
The
South
goes
north
on
two
sub
basins,
with
it
eventually
working
out
and
heading
toward
Hubbell
Avenue
that
the
development
are
the
parcel
to
the
South
that
was
identified
at
this
location.
There's
currently
a
60-foot
white
right
away.
F
Yeah
that
property
of
the
south
there's
an
existing
city-owned
right
away
back
to
that
and
the
folks
that
have
this
parcel.
Also
in
that
house
there
they
were
at
the
neighborhood
meeting.
We
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
them
and
there
they
sit
right
there
so
but
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Otherwise,
Ted
Grove
would
provide
some
additional
information
on
the
development.
G
G
When
we
presented
our
initial
plan
at
our
pre-op
meeting,
we've
shown
17
55
foot
Lots
in
a
PUD
format
to
match
what
Hubble
did
across
the
street
in
summers
field.
We
also
showed
a
stub
street
to
the
south,
fully
intending
to
try
to
develop
that
land.
So
it's
no
surprise
that
staff
is
recommending
that
step.
Street
now.
G
Since
then,
however,
our
rezoning
request
to
our
one
a
reduce
the
number
of
Lots
to
15
discarded
the
PUD
concept,
increase
the
size
of
those
Lots
and
eliminated
that
step
street
to
the
south.
We
eliminated
that
step
Street
because
of
new
information
in
staffs
14
recommendations.
They
are
still
asking
for
PUD
type
restrictions
and
a
stub
street.
We
would
ask
the
Commission
to
remove
three
of
those
recommendations.
G
G
In
addition
to
these,
two
costs,
installing
established
Street
to
the
south
and
longleaf,
would
effectively
raise
the
cost
of
our
development
by
about
a
hundred
and
forty
thousand,
because
we
would
lose
at
least
one
cul-de-sac
lot
and
have
to
install
an
additional
hundred
and
ten
feet
of
paving,
as
shown
in
red,
add
that
to
the
cost
mandated
by
the
water
department,
fire
department
and
staff,
the
total
cost
to
access
the
parcel
access.
The
parcel
to
the
South
is
over
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
G
G
It's
important
to
note
that
eliminating
the
stub
Street
would
not
land
lock
the
three
acre
parcel
a
cul-de-sac.
Access
from
East
44th
would
meet
fire
department
codes
without
a
connection
to
long
leaf,
and
the
three
acre
parcel
in
longleaf
would
each
gain
an
additional
lot
by
not
having
that
connecting
street.
G
While
the
market
trend
is
the
smaller
homes,
staff
is
recommending
larger
homes
generally
and
two-story
homes.
Specifically
our
two-story
homes
range
around
1,400
square
feet.
Their
recommendation
is
to
take
that
to
1,800
square
feet.
That's
a
30%
increase
this
increase.
This
would
increase
our
two-story
house
price
by
at
least
$30,000.
If
we
also
required
to
add
a
third
stone
front,
that
price
increase
goes
to
$33,000.
G
C
G
G
G
G
We
ask
that
you
eliminate
the
stub
Street
requirement
the
stone-faced
requirement
and
reduce
the
square
footage
requirements
to
match
existing
des
moines
developments.
We
think
most
planners
would
agree
that
repurposing
of
infill
sites
is
a
preferred
approach
to
land
development.
We
hope
the
city
will
agree
and
allow
us
to
build
new
homes
that
we
believe
will
sell.
I
H
A
G
K
G
A
A
L
L
Grubb,
you
know
wants
to
develop
that
property
and
you
know
I
can
see
the
reasoning
you
know
bring
a
lot
of
family
homes
in
there,
but
at
the
same
time
it's
you
know
back
before
the
days
when
the
property
was
taken
over
by
the
city.
You
know
everything
was
okay,
you
knowing
and
the
Robinsons
and
the
Smiths.
You
know
the
six
acres.
L
You
know
we're
farmed
and
the
money
was
split
between
the
two
properties
and
and
things
change
now,
so
it's
all
in
the
city,
but
that
three
acres
that
you
know
and
Jerry
and
his
mom
have.
You
know
there's
sitting
there
and
you
know
what
what's
going
to
happen.
To
that
I
mean
it
still.
Can
you
would
think
it
still
could
be
put
into
family
homes
just
like
mr.
L
Grove
is
going
to
do
with
the
ones
next
door
and
everything-
and
you
know
if
he
puts
in
that
property
there
and
there's
no
access
and-
and
you
know
you
know
when
it
was
outside,
the
city
was
okay.
As
far
as
the
sewer
and
and
everything
else
like
that
and
when
it
was
incorporated
into
the
city,
there
was
no
sewer
brought
in
I,
mean
they've
still
got
septic
tanks
just
like
they
had
before,
and
so
now
it's
not
as
good
as
a
city
Lots.
You
know,
I
can't
see
why.
L
Maybe
some
consideration
can't
be
given
to
doing
something
with
that
other
three
acres
to
because
I
mean
just
like
you
know
mr.
Grubbs
area,
and
you
know
they're
gonna,
you
know
make
it
into
nice
homes
and
everything
like
that,
and
why
can't
something
be
done
to
you
know
Jerry
in
Mabel's,
three
acres,
you
know
because
now
it's
just
gonna
be
sitting
there.
L
You
know,
and
now
it's
you
know
it's
got
no
chance
of
having
anything
done
with
it,
and
you
know
it's
gonna
be
kind
of
hard,
probably
even
to
farm
it
I,
don't
know
I'm,
not
a
farmer
either,
but
you
know
it
just
it
would
be
nice
if
something
could
be
done.
You
know,
since
it's
been
sitting
there
all
these
years,
and
you
know
like
to
have
something
done
with
it
too
and
you
know
I,
just
don't
want
it
to
be
shut
out,
and
now
we've
got
nothing.
We
can
do
with
it.
A
A
G
Actually,
the
lady's
mistaken
there
would
be
two
ways
to
access
the
three
acres
that
they
owned.
One
of
them
I
pointed
out,
there's
a
right-of-way
that
the
city
owns
that
goes
over
to
East
44,
plus
they
own
a
house
that
backs
up
to
the
three
acres
if
they
chose
to
come
through
there.
So
they're
they're,
not
as
I
pointed
out
they're,
not
being
landlocked,
and
it
was
something
that
we
very
interested
in
doing
what
she
suggested
until
we
got
the
stipulations
from
the
water
department
and
the
fire
department
that
they
weren't
going
to.
A
M
M
G
Are
those
not
out
there?
Might
there
might
be
a
couple,
but
the
the
problem
is
not
all
of
them
do
and
I'm
I'm
I
can
worst-case
scenario:
I
could
live
with
that
if
I
had
to
it
just
adds
about
a
three
thousand
dollar
expense
to
the
house
that
I'd,
rather
not
unless
the
buyer
wanted
it.
If
the
buyer
wanted
it
fine.
G
M
While
we've
had
variation
in
square
footages,
we've
we've
not
varied
from
the
front
porch
requirement.
That's
that's
been
applied
even
on
Board
of
Adjustment
cases
for
infill
Lots,
single
family
lots.
So
I
know
that
that's
probably
one
that
staff
feels
fairly
very
strong
about.
The
council
has
not
waived
those
in
the
past.
They
have
adjusted
numbers
and
then
the
only
their
own.
Only
other
point
that
I'd
make
is.
M
One
of
those
I
think
the
woods
at
Copper
Creek
had
different
phases
that
were
approved
over
different
leaders,
but
that's
probably
one
of
the
most
recent
ones.
I
know
the
summer's
field
PUD
was
approved
thirteen
years
ago,
so
we
have
had
some
recent
approvals
by
council
that
have
have
directed
us
differently,
so
our
square
footages
were
based
on
the
most
recent
decisions
by
council.
M
But
again,
as
we
noted
in
our
presentation,
the
Commission
has
had
discussion
about
variations
in
square
footage
in
the
past
and
ultimately,
it's
the
council's
decision
at
the
rezoning
stage
and
and
what
the
ultimately
the
applicant
won't
agree
to
in
writing.
Prior
to
the
close
of
the
hearing,
but
if,
if
there's
latitude
granted
on
the
square,
footage,
I
believe
that
the
masonry
or
porch
requirement
is
has
been
a
very
standard
requirement
on
on.
It
was.
J
J
I
B
G
Our
average
price
in
here
would
be
two
hundred
and
thirty
five
thousand
dollars,
one
of
the
things
that
we're
enable
that
enables
us
to
do
when
we
in
a
larger
Lots.
We
don't
build
third
car
garages
because
of
the
cost,
but
we
sight
the
home,
so
they
can
be
added
if
somebody
wants
to
or
if
somebody
wants
a
custom
and
they
want
a
three-car
garage.
I
can't
debate
the
pros
and
cons
of
square
footage.
My
interest
is
solely
from
a
perspective
of
I
built
in
the
first
house
in
nineteen.
G
G
M
So
mr.
Crabb
you'd
mentioned
in
in
your
comments
that
the
costs
of
the
the
extension
of
the
street
and
that
so,
if
the
water
line
in
44,
that's
where
the
access
comes,
there
have
to
upgrade
that
cost
that
water
line
to
come
into
the
property
to
develop.
That
parcel.
If
it
just
comes
off,
East
44th
they're
going
to
have
a
200
foot.
M
Street
that
has
no
Lots
loaded
on
it,
because
it's
just
a
60
foot
right-of-way
through
there,
where
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
have
any
Lots
on
it.
So,
if
we're
trying
to
look
at
like
averaging
the
costs
of
development
over
the
greatest
number
of
lots,
it
seems
like
singling.
Those
two
subdivisions
out
and
develop
them
separately
makes
the
likelihood
of
the
southern
lot
develop,
absorb
all
those
costs
for
even
fewer
Lots
and
what
you're
getting
in
your
development.
The
point.
G
M
But
it
makes
it
even
more
unlikely
to
happen
if
they're
developed
separately
from
from
staffs
opinion,
because
that's
that's
bearing
all
those
council
and
a
fewer
number
of
Lots
for
that
southern
subversion.
If
there
were
the
opportunity
to
extend
a
street
and
and
connect
and
loop
water
mains,
there
might
be
a
greater,
we
felt
there
might
be
a
greater
opportunity
to
to
have
that
3
acres
to
the
south
develop
as
well.
So
those
were
our
thoughts
on
it
and
I
just
wanted
to
get
your
you're.
G
The
real
world
Mike
you're,
going
to
have
to
put
have
me,
put
in
a
stove
streets,
ain't
never
going
to
be
used
and
B
you're
gonna
want
to
temporary
turn
around
it
on
it.
For
about
two
three
thousand
dollars,
that's,
what's
going
to
be
the
reality
of
the
situation?
I'm!
Sorry,
it's
unfortunate
I
wanted
to
I
wanted
to
talk
with
those
people
about
buying
that
three
acres
and
continuing
and
I
was
just
going
to
make
another
cul-de-sac
there.
The
two
departments
will
not
allow
that
to
be
done.
N
N
L
K
M
So
at
the
pre-application
was
it
talked
about
the
opportunity
to
rather
than
a
secondary
access,
have
a
sprinkler
in
a
single-family
home
I
know
we
had
just
a
plat
tonight
where
there
were
lots
that
were
going
to
be
outside
of
the
distance
requirement
and
that
developer
had
agreed
to
provide
a
sprinkler
system
in
a
single-family
home
that
was
outside
of
the
outside
of
the
link
to
accommodate
not
having
to
extend
another
Street.
Did
you
look
at
any
of
those
options
in
in?
In
your
analysis,
this
is
fire.
M
G
M
What
they
did
on
the
other
subdivision
that
was
on
tonight,
it
was
item
number
two
I
believe
was
the
distance.
Anything
outside
of
that
distance
was
going
to
be
sprinklered
is
what
they
had
agreed
to,
and
so
I
would
assume
a
developer
could
seek
similar
amount
of
if
they
were
interested
in
developing
Lots
in
that
area.
I'm
not
saying
it
would
be
approved,
they
have
to
submit
that
request,
but
it
was
just
approved
on
this
agenda,
for
they
were
just
recommended
and
on
another
item
tonight.
So
at
least
it
is
possible.
G
Any
kind
of
aid
at
the
homebuilders
right
now
that
that
sprinklers
be
required
in
houses
that
are
6,000
square
feet
or
more
I,
don't
get
anywhere
close
to
that
square
footage
and
for
me
to
I
can't
use
the
word
affordable
on
the
sprinkler
system
in
the
same
sentence.
Yeah,
it's
just
what
I've
investigated.
G
L
L
A
L
K
G
I
J
Really
wish
on
item
number
three
to
stub
Street
I
really
wish.
There
was
a
logical,
I,
understand,
staff's
concern
and
I
understand
mr
Groves
concern
and
I.
Don't
know
how
to
mate
the
two
together
right
here
and
now,
if
he's
adamant
that
it
won't
work
and
he
builds
five
lots
along
the
front
of
it
and
meets
the
criteria.
That
seems
almost
as
ridiculous
as
leaving
the
three
acres
alone.
I
A
M
For
that,
for
the
members
the
audience
were
present
in
opposition
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
this
was
a
recommendation
from
the
Planning
Commission.
The
City
Council
still
has
to
hold
a
hearing
and
approve
the
rezoning
you'd
want
to
check
with
the
clerk's
office
to
confirm
the
hearing
date.
We
would
probably
anticipate
the
council
has
to
take
action
to
set
a
date
of
hearing.
My
guess
would
be
they.
M
We
normally
would
forward
these
items
up
on
the
25th
of
February,
so
we
would
expect
on
the
25th
of
February
that
they
would
set
a
date
of
hearing
for
one
of
their
future
meetings.
You
would
want
to
confirm,
with
the
clerk's
office
prior
to
the
25th
of
February,
whether
whether
that
is
happening
and
find
out
when
the
public
hearing
will
be
held,
and
you
have
the
opportunity
to
address
the
council
at
that
that
hearing
date.
L
M
A
C
C
So
the
item
is
before
you,
as
a
site
plan
review
due
to
the
display
lot,
the
proposal
to
reuse
the
building
is
for
mini
warehouse.
That's
that
would
typically
be
review
and
administrative
lease
I
planned
process,
but
they
also
have
an
area
they
wish
to
display
u-haul
vehicles
and
so
that
triggers
conformance
with
the
design
standards
for
displaying
and
for
hire
vehicles.
And
so
that's
why
it's
here
tonight
before
you.
C
In
addition,
the
other
part
of
the
request
that
would
kick
this
up
to
you,
even
if
we
weren't
talking
about
the
vehicle
display
lot,
is
the
request
waving
some
landscape
standards
and
I'll
dive
into
that
in
the
presentation,
but
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
lay
out
the
process.
So
those
of
you
that
maybe
you've
seen
the
most
recent
agenda
from
the
Zoning
Board
of
Adjustment
may
recall,
or
be
aware
that
this
property
went
before
the
board
not
too
long
ago.
C
Back
on
the
sea
would
have
been
last
month
and
the
reason
they
went
to
the
board.
They
had
talked
about
doing
some
outbuildings.
That
would
be
a
more
traditional
mini
warehouse.
They
were
going
to
be
longer
than
what
our
zoning
ordinance
allows:
a
a
storage
unit
of
that
type
to
be
which
is
25
feet.
They
also
technically
needed
a
relief
to
be
able
to
use
the
Kmart
building
as
mini
warehouse,
in
order
to
comply
with
the
zoning
or
definition
of
what
many
warehouse
is
through
that
process.
C
To
get
this
fit
on
here
on
your
screen,
well,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
leave
it
in
this
orientation.
So
you
know
this
is
Hubbell
Avenue,
north
and
east.
You
know
it's
kind
of
on
this
end,
so
you
can
see
the
existing
building
a
display
area
up
in
this
queuing
for
the
u-hauls
display
here
displays
being
designated
here.
Employee
parking,
some
customer
parking.
They
are
proposing
to
remove
pavement
in
this
area
and
then
provide
five
foot
setback.
C
C
C
So
the
appeal
part
of
the
request
is
for
the
open
space
requirement
and
then
the
set
pavement
setback
requirement
from
the
property
lines
within
our
landscaping
standards.
A
property
this
size,
according
to
our
landscaping
stands
for.
C
teams
should
provide
a
20-foot
pavement
setback
from
their
property
line
to
wherever
there
you
know
the
extent
of
their
pavement
and
that
area
should
be
landscaped
and
I
won't
go
into.
C
The
ratio
of
you
know
how
many
plants
per
lineal
foot
and
then
also
you
should
have
20%
of
the
site
should
be
open
space
according
to
our
landscaping
standards,
they
are
proposing
16.9%
open
space,
so
this
layout
that
you're
seeing
provides
16.9%
and
then
provides
5-foot
set.
Pavement
setbacks,
I
I
think
probably
the
most
efficient
thing
for
me
to
do
and
keep
the
staff
presentation
at
point.
I'm
just
gonna,
normally
I
try
to
summarize
things,
but
sometimes
it's
easier
just
to
read
to
you
what
we
put
in
the
staff
report
and
go
from
there.
C
So
staff
is
recommending
aisle
of
the
request
to
waive
the
open
space
and
parking
lot
perimeter
planting
requirement.
The
intent
of
the
landscaping
standards
is
to
establish
requirements
that
enhance
the
environment,
function,
aesthetic
impact
of
streets,
parking,
lots
and
properties
in
the
city
when
incorporated
into
new
and
reused
developments.
These
standards,
soften
and
enhanced
building
perimeters
provide
a
continuity
of
vegetation
throughout
the
city.
Reader
reduce
impervious
surface
areas
and
stormwater
runoff
filter
area
provide
shade
and
improve
microclimate
and
reestablish
parts
of
des
moines
native
vegetation
cover
in
granting
relief
to
the
proposed
development.
C
The
Zoning
Board
adjustment
a
defined
it
identified
the
need
for
site
improvements
such
as
landscaping
beyond
the
minimum
standards
as
being
needed
to
offset
the
impacts
of
the
proposed
project.
The
engineering
department
has
expressed
their
opposition
to
the
requested
waiver
because
the
maximum
amount
of
pervious
surface
wood
should
be
provided
on-site
due
to
the
property's
location
and
a
flood
and
lack
of
existing
stormwater
facilities.
C
C
We
are
a
staff
recommending
approval
of
the
site
plan
subject
to
these
conditions,
so
deny
the
waiver
request
but
approve
the
site
plan,
compliance
with
all
administrative
review,
requirements
of
the
city's
permit
and
Development
Center
compliance
with
the
city's
landscaping
standards
for
c2
district,
including,
but
not
limited,
to
parking,
lot
perimeter
and
open
space
requirements,
provision
of
off
street
parking
and
accordance
with
the
zoning
ordinance.
That's
really
just
a
clarification,
the
site
plan
to
use
or
provide
parking
calculation,
obviously
the
site's
very
large.
We
should
be
able
to
hit
that
no
problem.
C
C
Even
though
this
is
getting
removed,
there's
still
a
lot
of
excess
paving
in
this
area.
In
this
area
and
as
staff,
we
believe
that
that
it's
not
needed
so
should
be
removed,
get
rid
of
that
impervious
surface
add
per
via
you
know,
not
impervious
but
pervious
surface,
where
stormwater
can
penetrate
the
ground
and
help
with
the
you
know,
stormwater
management
that,
in
the
larger
area,
try
to
minimize
the
impacts
on
the
surrounding
area.
C
Provision
of
curbing
around
all
landscaping
areas
to
the
satisfaction
the
plan
administrator
I
think
that's
their
intent.
That
was
just
hard
to
tell
in
the
site
plan
if
it
was
being
provided
or
not
all
rooftop
mechanical
equipment
shall
be
screened
with
material
that
is
architectural
II
compatible
with
the
building
to
the
satisfaction.
The
plan
administrator,
seven,
all
utility
meters,
transformers,
ground
mounted
equipment
or
other
utilities
show
you
place
along
the
rear
or
side
facades
and
screen
to
the
satisfaction
of
Planning
Minister.
C
These
last
couple
you
here
those
all
the
time
that
we
want
to
make
sure
those
recovered
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
You
have
first
half
I,
guess
before
I
jump
to
that
I
do
have
building
elevations
for
you
to
look
at
as
just
they've
submitted
these.
We
don't
have
architectural
standards
for
display
a
lot,
but
they
are
required
to
have
their
architecture
reviewed
by
staff
per
the
Zoning
Board
of
adjustments
action
you
can
see
they
are
planning
to
modify
and
paint
the
front
and
alter
kind
of
the
entrance
configuration.
C
C
C
A
C
C
B
M
C
If
the
20
foot
setback
is
required,
then
for
landscaping
right,
there's
five
feet,
so
yeah
I
mean
you'd,
be
pushing
that
you
push
everything
back.
If
you
adopt
the
staff
recommendation,
the
the
pavement
would
be
20
feet
back.
You
know
so
be
kind
of
more
here
and
everything
would
shift
down.
I
can
zoom
up
here
and
maybe
that
helped
a
little,
but
so
there
be
work
left
to
be
done.
If
you
adopt
the
staff
rec
that
there's
plenty
of
area
on
the
site,
that's.
M
C
Other
thing
that
stood
out
to
staff
is,
when
you
look
at
this,
you
know
there's
not
as
much
interior
planting
because
they
don't
have
there's
a
lot
of
park
area,
that's
not
parking
anymore
and
so
by
adding
that
open
space,
you're
kind
of
taking
off
the
plate.
A
lot
of
pavement-
that's
really
not
divided
up
by
planter
island
like
the
parking
area,
okay,.
C
J
P
P
So
in
looking
at
this
specifically,
the
floodway
in
the
current
landscape
standards
requires
you
know
so
many
trees
and
shrubs
within
the
open
space,
and
in
that
area
for
20%
of
it,
we
would
be
required
to
plant
86
trees
and
129
shrubs
in
the
floodway.
However,
engineering
staff
has
requested
anything.
That's
in
the
floodway
would
require
in-depth
study
to
show
that
it
doesn't
change.
Obviously,
flood
elevations,
that's
just
not
going
to
be
possible
on
this
site,
because
they're
not
doing
any
other
work
to
offset
that.
P
So
what
we
are
recommending-
and
this
is
one
thing
that
wasn't
really
pointed
out-
is
that
the
areas
that
we
are
removing
pavement
would
be
replaced
with
native
plantings
in
this
area,
which
will
be
much
more
beneficial
than
trees
and
shrubs,
and
they
would
not
impact
any
flows
through
that
area.
So
that's
one
thing:
I
did
want
to
point
out
on
the
site
the
rest
of
this
flood
way
back
in
here.
P
Q
Good
evening,
Randy
Dixon
6310
Douglas
Des
Moines
we're
very
excited
about
being
able
to
repurpose
this
building,
which
typically
something
that's
large
kind
of
sits
dark
for.
Quite
some
time
falls
into
disrepair
begins
to
look
unsightly.
I
currently
have
five
of
these
in
the
state
of
Iowa,
including
two
in
Illinois
in
the
Quad
Cities,
so
we're
starting
to
get
pretty
good
at
these.
They
fit
our
that
they
fit
our
business,
much
better.
The
customers,
like
storage,
to
go
along
with
the
the
truck
rental.
Q
So,
as
a
result,
it
requires
a
bigger
facility
than
what
you're
used
to
seeing
of
the
other
three
company
stores
we
have
here
in
town
there
were
purchased
in
the
early
80s
and
at
that
point
in
time
they
were
sufficient.
Well,
they
no
longer
are
so
for
us
to
elevate
ourselves
to
community
standards.
We
need
these
larger
facilities,
we're
trying
to
be
careful
not
to.
Q
Crowd
the
lot
too
much
because
we
need
maneuverability
for
the
for
the
customers
to
get
in
and
out
and
around
the
site,
as
Mindy
indicated,
they're
generally
not
adept
at
driving
some
of
some
of
the
larger
trucks.
And
then
we
have
also
semi
trucks
that
come
in
to
deliver
our
boxes,
so
they
need
to
be
able
to
get
in
and
out
of
the
site
as
well.
Q
Q
Q
Q
B
C
I
C
C
Well,
I,
don't
think
they
I
didn't
think
that
when
we're
talking
about
curbing
I'm
talking,
you
know
along
here
to
protect
the
plant
areas
from
the
cars
getting
into
it
and
around
these
guys.
This
area
up
here,
I'm
we're
not
talking
about
that's
now.
It's
only
for
landscaped
area
so
be
around
the
perimeter
curbing
and
then
curbing
around
the
I
mean
what's
gonna
happen.
C
Q
C
Q
K
Chair
we're
already
negotiating
and
I,
see
that
there
are
a
number
of
people
in
the
audience
that-
and
this
is
the
last
item
on
the
agenda,
so
I
assume
that
there
are
some
people
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
participate
in
the
public
hearing.
So
my
suggestion
is
before
we
go
into
this
other
mode
that
we're
seemingly
in
let's
ask
the
give
the
other
people
a
chance
to
express
what
their
what
they've
come
to
hear
and
say.
I,
agree.
A
C
Q
G
C
R
C
J
A
T
Madam
chair
and
commissioners,
thank
you
very
much
for
allowing
me
to
speak
here
tonight.
My
name
is
Skip
Moore
38:22,
East,
28th,
Street
and
the
reason
I'm
up
here
tonight
was
I
was
part
of
the
committee
that
was
established
to
put
together
design
guidelines
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines
and
I'd
like
to
point
out
before
I.
Get
there
a
little
history
on
this
before
Kmart
was
built,
it
was
a
cornfield,
then
they
built
Kmart.
The
north
end
was
a
hinky
dinky
grocery
store.
T
T
When
Preston
Daniels
was
Mayor
of
the
City
of
Des
Moines,
a
group
of
concerned
residents
got
together
and
went
met
with
them
and
said
we
need
a
Beautification
Committee,
and
some
of
the
people
on
that
committee
that
come
to
mind
is
Janis.
Through
Ron
Susie
mcbroom
Judy
McCarty
CJ
Stephens.
There
were
quite
a
few
people
what
they
came
to
realize
was
we
had
no
I
called
beautification
standards
and
up
design
guidelines,
but
we
didn't
have
any
so
they
spent
quite
a
period
of
time
researching
what
was
going
on
around
the
rest
of
the
country.
T
They
went
back
to
the
mayor
and
asked
the
mayor
and
the
city
manager
to
establish
a
staff
committee
on
beautification
standards
and
I
was
the
municipal
arborist.
So
I
was
one
of
the
people
that
was
put
on
that
committee.
I
very
definitely
remember
the
very
first
meeting
we
were
handed
the
beautification
standards
from
Chicago,
a
disc
from
them
all
kinds
of
paperwork,
and
we
were
told
look
at
this
is
what
we
want
just
cross
out
Chicago
and
put
Des
Moines
all
the
way
through
this
document,
so
we
all
decide
to
go
home.
T
T
The
peripheral
I
think
it's
very
important
and
I
think
there's
another
issue
here
and
that's
the
intent
of
the
owner.
I
heard
a
couple
complaints
today
and
drove
over
there.
He's
already
got
trucks
on
the
lot
and
where
are
they
they're
parked
with
the
front
bumpers
up
to
the
sidewalk
on
Hubbell
and
up
to
the
sidewalk
on
Easton
and,
first
of
all,
I.
Don't
think
this
is
permissible.
T
We
all
know
that
the
street
right
away
runs
behind
the
sidewalk
somewhere,
but
display
Lots
if
they
can
get
by
that
they
will
pull
their
vehicles
all
the
way
out
to
the
curb
and
we've
seen
that
historically
I
think
that
this
would
be
a
good
move
there
and
helps
to
soften
the
blow
of
that
lot.
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
people
are
saying:
we
don't
want
them
going
in
there
at
all
I'm
not
going
to
dispute
that,
evidently
it
zoned
for
it.
They
want
to
put
it
in
there.
U
Good
evening
my
name
is
Shree:
mortise
I
live
at
2904,
East,
27th,
Street
and
I
live
in
the
Fairmont
Park
neighborhood
I
like
to
thank
you
again
for
the
opportunity
to
share
my
thoughts.
I've
been
here
before
some
of
you
probably
remember
when
we
were
opposing
the
dead
ending
of
Hall
Avenue
and
we
had
organized
a
grassroots
group
called
keep
Hall
Avenue
open
and
presented
our
appeal
to
you
and
you
agreed
with
us.
U
You
thought
that
it
was
really
asking
too
much
to
dead-end
us
and
separate
us
from
the
other
side
of
the
city
and
and
put
everything
on
detour
routes.
And
then,
a
couple
years
ago
we
got
a
letter
saying
that
there
was
a
proposal
to
rezone
our
neighborhood,
which
was
actually
Garden.
West
were
part
of
the
Fairmont
Park
neighborhood
and
we
came
and
appealed
and
said
you
know
we're
a
neighborhood
and
these
aren't
just
houses.
These
are
families
and
we
never
saw
lid.
U
Anyway,
thank
you
so
today
I'm
here,
because
I
am
concerned
about
the
transformation
that's
going
on
at
the
Kmart
property,
the
transformation
to
a
u-haul
mini
storage
unit
and
what
is
subsequently
going
to
be
it.
The
display
of
trucks
facing
the
Hubbell
Avenue
corridor,
which
is
a
very
important
corridor
for
us
and
I,
am
I,
am
concerned
about
the
landscaping
think
unless
they're
gonna
make
you
know,
grow
some
really
gigantic.
Trees
for
and
I,
don't
know
give
them
some
kind
of
growth
element.
That's
gonna
make
them
grow
quickly.
I!
U
Think
it's
going
to
be
really
hard
to
soften
the
appearance
of
that
industrial
space.
It
is
a
huge
lot
and
to
have
trucks
kind
of
strewn
out
and
about
I
can't
imagine
you
know
there
are,
as
was
testified,
there
are
inexperienced
people
coming
in
and
out
of
there.
Hubble
is
a
very
important
corridor
at
times
it
is
busy
and
I'm
just
really
concerned
about.
You
know
the
safety
of
our
of
our
neighborhoods
and
people
using
that
area.
U
The
developed
the
developer
requested
a
waiver
of
the
minimum
open
space
area
and
the
minimum
20
foot
deep
perimeter
lot
landscaping
area
and
the
city
staff
is
romantic,
recommending
denial
of
that
waiver
and
I
agree
with
that.
I
think,
there's
a
lot
more.
That
would
have
to
be
done
to
really
buffer
that.
But
you
know
the
biggest
concern
I
have
is
just
that.
The
fact
the
matter
is
that
we
knew
this
was
going
to
happen.
U
There's
been
no
upgrades
that
Kmart
in
years,
and
so
you
know,
we've
all
been
saying
you
know
what
can
go
in
there.
What
can
go
in
there
and
East
Siders
have
had
a
lot
of
ideas.
We've
lost,
you
know,
we
don't
have
a
theater,
we
don't
have
bowling
alley
anymore,
you
don't
have
any
recreation
for
kids,
and
so
when
I
posted
it
on
Mikey
Paul
Avenue,
open
Facebook
page
because
it
I've
continued
to
kind
of
administer
that
because
it
is
kind
of
a
rallying
point.
U
It
still
is
and
I
just
feel
like
we're
passing
up
one
opportunity
after
another,
but
my
neighbors
said
we
need
a
movie
theater,
an
arcade
roller
skate
roller
skating,
rink
large
indoor
sports
facility,
a
bowling
alley,
a
YMCA
grocery
store,
because
this
is
a
food
desert
over
here.
There
is
on
all
D's
on
University,
which
I
shop
there,
but
it's
a
much
more
limited
inventory.
It's
really
hard
to
meet
your
basic
needs,
and
so
East
Siders
are
really
frustrated
that
we
are
driving
out
to
Altoona
and
Ankeny.
U
You
know
spending
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
money
and
we
want
to
spend
that
money
locally.
We
want
the
taxes,
you
know
we
want
the
enhancement
for
our
neighborhoods,
because
this
is
really
a
burden
on
our
wage
workers
that
are
living
paycheck
to
paycheck
and
our
elderly.
But
I
can
tell
you
one
thing:
that's
thriving
on
the
east
side
and
it's
our
payday
lenders,
because
we
are
circled
by
them.
I
can
walk
to
a
payday
lender
from
my
house.
U
I
can
go
to
East
Euclid
Avenue
I
can
go
to
Hubbell,
I,
go
to
university
and
I
go
to
East,
14th
Street
and
that
business
businesses
are
thriving.
So
we
need
to
sort
of
help
with
some
of
the
burdens
that
some
of
our
residents
on
the
east
side
have
been
been
feeling
for.
Quite
some
time.
I
would
like
to
add
that
you
know
and
and
I'm
just
sort
of
offering
this
just
in
terms
of
some
forward-thinking
ideas,
one
it
is.
It
is
common
trend
for
you
pause
to
convert
these
you.
U
U
We
are
in
an
affordable
housing
crisis
and
it
costs
money,
but
it's
never
a
matter
of
money,
because
our
city
has
spent
all
this
time,
giving
away
TIF
rebates
our
tax
money
to
principal,
to
redecorate
office
space
and
to
the
new
gum
and
go
build
to
double
their
office
space
size
because
of
their
exploding
profitability.
So
it's
not
about
money
and
I
want
us
just
to
be.
You
know,
thinking
about
opportunities
and
I,
just
kind
of
feel
like
we're
missing
the
boat.
U
Here
again,
you
know,
I
think
the
Zoning
Board
of
Adjustment
and
I
work
with
those
people.
I
was
a
member
of
that
board.
I
like
those
people,
but
I
think
they
made
a
really
bad
judgment
to
give
them
a
variance,
because
that
is
a
status
of
stiff
stiff
test.
You
have
to
prove
that
there
is
no
other
reasonable
use
for
a
property
before
you
give
them
a
very
this
building
did
not
meet
city
code.
U
It
is
too
tall
it's
too
long
and
it's
too
wide
and
so
they're
gonna
there's
going
to
be
this
monstrosity
of
a
building
that
is
really
being
underused
in
some
ways,
so
you
know
I.
The
fact
of
the
matter
is
that
you
know
there
are
lots
of
opportunities
there.
East
Siders
are
really
frustrated
when
we
begin
to
feel
like
we
are
a
designated
warehouse
district
and
that's
really
what
we're
looking
like,
and
that
does
nothing
to
prop
up
our
neighborhoods.
U
S
I
get
evening
my
name's
Heather
Ryan
I,
my
addresses
1253
East,
37th,
Court,
Des,
Moines
and
I
come
from
a
unique
perspective,
not
so
different
from
my
fellow
East
Siders.
But
recently
we
had
a
storage
facility
on
East
University
asked
for
a
zoning.
It
had
a
disowning
issue
and
they
wanted
to
rezone
so
that
they
can
encroach
into
our
neighborhood
further
into
the
Graceland's
Neighborhood
Association,
and
they
assured
us
that
it
would
be
aesthetically
pleasing
to
our
neighborhood
and
I
can
assure
you
it
is
not.
It
was
not.
S
Then
it
is
not
now
and
then
the
dolls
went
under
and
then
a
storage
unit
went
into
the
dolls
and
then
over
there
on
East
went
right
off
of
East
235.
A
new
storage
unit
has
just
gone
up
where
a
factory
used
to
be
and
over
right
off
of
what
is
it
Easton,
there's
another
storage
unit.
Really,
the
question
is:
how
many
storage
units
do
we
need
on
the
east
side
before
we
say
it's
really,
not
that
aesthetically
pleasing
and
then
for
someone
to
say
well,
I
want
this
adjustment.
S
I
don't
want
to
make
it
as
aesthetically
pleasing
as
you're
asking
us
to
I.
Think
that
it's,
the
very
least
they
could
do
is
to
try
and
make
it
at
least
the
basic
minimum.
The
Des
Moines
is
asking
them
to
do
so.
Des
Moines
saying
they
need
to
put
up
this
many
trees
and
this
many
shrubs
and
this
much
green
space
I.
Think
it's
the
very
least
since
we
are
hollowing
out
and
creating
a
food
desert
and
a
retail
desert
and
no
affordable
housing
on
the
east
side.
S
It's
the
very,
very
minimum
they
can
do
and
I
speak
from
a
place
of
experience,
because
our
neighborhood
is
now
a
storage
unit
area,
it's
no
longer
just
a
single-family
home
area,
so
it
feels
strongly
as
an
Eastsider
and
I
agree
with
Cherie
that
we're
very
frustrated.
It
feels
strongly
that
the
only
affordable
housing
des
moines
is
willing
to
invest
in
the
east
side
as
storage
units
as
if
we're
supposed
to
maybe
live
in
said
storage
units,
because
that's
really
how
it's
coming
off.
S
We
have
so
many
storage
units,
I,
don't
even
know
if
they're
full
to
be
honest
because
I
don't
know
how
you
could
fill
all
those
units
with
stuff,
because
there's
so
many
so
I
hope
that
you
will
reconsider.
This
is
an
enormous
space,
also
a
place
where
I
come
from.
I
worked
at
that
Kmart
as
a
merchandiser
for
two
years.
Before
they
closed
it
is
a
hot
rock
and
mess
it
needs.
So
much
upgrade
the
the
leaks.
The
the
floors
are
from
the
1970s.
The
upstairs
is
wooden
I
mean
they
never
even
redid.
S
Any
of
that
it's
never
been
redesigned,
never
been
updated
at
all.
It's
exactly
like
it
was
when
I
was
child.
It
has
not
been
updated
at
all
so
for
them
to
say
they're
just
going
to
make
some
minor
improvements.
It's
just
disingenuous
at
best,
so
I
hope
that
you'll
reconsider
his
requests
for
variances.
But
it's
it's
not
reasonable.
It's
not
aesthetically
pleasing
and
it's
the
very
minimum
they
could
do
is
to
do
the
absolute
minimum
to
a
least
at
least
try
to
make
it
look
less
like
an
industrial
warehouse
area.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
V
Mandus
mother's
I
live
at
8:17,
East,
21st
Court.
This
is
the
first
time
I've
done
this
so
bear
with
me.
I
know
a
lot
of
my
friends
and
family
all
grew
up
on
the
east
side.
We
appreciate
you
know,
spending
our
money
on
the
east
side.
I
know
for
me.
I
was
devastated
when
Kmart
closed,
because
now
I
have
to
go
all
the
way
to
Altoona
I
hate
to
drive
to
Altoona.
V
You
know
it's
for
simple
things.
You
know
just
a
bag
of
dog
food
or
something
now
I
got
a
drive.
How
many
miles
for
just
one
simple
item
I
would
rather
have
like
retail
or
a
gas
state,
or
not
even
a
gas
station.
I'm.
Sorry
like
a
grocery
store
or
something
in
that
besides
a
storage
unit,
I
think
that's
an
eyesore
I
would
rather
have
something
on
that
side
of
town
where
my
kids
can
go
work
instead
of
having
to
travel
to
Altoona
Ankeny
somewhere
else.
V
You
know
so
that's
walking
distance
for
them
to
learn
independence,
especially
after
you
know.
They're
a
non-driver
I
know
a
lot
of
people
in
that
area:
catch
Metro
buses.
How
is
somebody
walking
in
a
big
u-haul
gonna,
see
somebody
walking
that's
my
biggest
concern,
especially
when
there's
teach
out
there.
You
see
a
lot
of
children
walking
in
to
teach
our
I
just
would
rather
see
something
else
go
in
there
than
a
u-haul.
Please,
especially
when
less
than
a
mile
you
have
the
old
dolls.
V
D
Hi,
my
name
is
Don
Terry
I
live
at
2026,
East
Walnut,
you
know
the
thing
it
is.
The
east
side
used
to
be
booming,
you
know
used
to
be
grocery
stores
and
everything
else
now
we're
down
to
all
DS
I'm,
tired
of
driving
two
or
three
miles
or
better.
However,
lofty
always
it
is
to
travel
to
the
grocery
store.
You
know
and
only
thing
we
get
on
the
east
side.
I,
don't
know
if
you
guys
are
paying
attention.
The
only
thing
we
get
is
car
lots,
auto
parts
stores
and
liquor
stores.
Why
is
that?
D
Why
do
we?
That's
the
only
thing
we
get
on
the
east
side.
You
know
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
why
is
that
you
know
people
need
to
take
take
notice,
you
know
things.
We
need
on
the
east
side
like
the
old
pharmacy
on
wards
pharmacy,
it's
been
set
in
empty
for
a
long
time.
It
could
be
turning
into
like
a
ice
cream,
parlor
or
something
you
know
for
kids
come
on.
You
know,
that's
why
we
got
a
high
crime
area.
On
the
east
side,
we've
got
meth
going
on.
We
got
all
these.
D
You
know
drug
activities,
people
stealing
everything
else
going
on
in
the
East
Side.
Nobody
takes
notice
of
that
I,
don't
know
if
they
do
they
just
I've,
never
seen
it.
You
know
people
just
don't
care
anymore.
You
know
like
to
see
you
know
my
kids
actually
go
to.
You
know,
walk
and
you
teach
out
my
daughter.
Goes
there
a
lot?
Okay,
you
know
once
they
one
day
my
daughter
goes
to
walk
into
you.
All
you
know
hit
her.
You
guys
gonna
be
liable
for
that
who's
gonna
be
liable.
D
My
daughter
gets
hit
by
u-haul
or
something
you
know,
I'm
just
puzzled.
You
know
what
can
we
put
in
a
grocery
store?
Save
you
lots,
I,
don't
know
Walmart
or
some
of
those
Walmart
cuz.
We
got
one,
you
know
and
Pella,
but
anyway,
that's
just
the
only
thing
we
get
on
the
east
side
is
like
you
know,
like
I
said
you
know,
port
stores,
you
know
car
lots,
we
got
them
everywhere.
You
know,
there's
to
me,
you
can't
be
quite
honest.
We've
got
it
it's
right
across
right
there
in
the
corner.
D
There's
a
liquor
store
right
there
in
the
corner
right
by
the
there's
a
school
on
the
other
side
right
there
is
a
fire
station
understand
why
it's
that
close
to
us,
you
know
as
a
school
there's
a
liquor
store
right
there
in
the
corner,
used
to
be
yeah,
Tucker
Johnson.
So
I
understand
why.
Why
did
you
guys
put
in
a
u-haul?
Why
did
they
accept
that
u-haul
pit
in
there
because
I'd
like
to
know
who's
responsible,
because
I
I
want
to
go
to
that
person?
A
D
O
Jason
carpenter,
3216
he's
24th.
The
only
thing
that
I
have
concerns
about
a
I,
don't
think
they
should
get
the
variance
for
the
landscaping
they
should
abide
by
city
guidelines.
Secondly,
the
entrance
to
Hubbell
I
Drive
for
a
living
I
have
a
class
a
license
with
hazmat
tanker
endorsement.
I
have
over
a
million
miles
accident.
Free
I
have
concerns
with
turning
people
loose
in
a
large
vehicle.
They're
very
unfamiliar
with,
and
up
there
like
right
in
here,
I
believe,
is
a
entrance
into
Hubbell
I.
O
Think
that
should
be
blocked
off
I
think
they
should
be
on
a
less
traveled,
not
that
East
and
City.
It's
not
a
busy
street,
but
they
need
to
be
taken
away
from
Hubble,
because
I'd
you're
gonna
have
some
accidents
of
somebody's
turn,
lose
the
large
vehicle
and
trying
to
get
into
traffic,
and
they
panic
and
you're
gonna
have
a
mess
on
your
hands.
I
mean
if
you
look
at
a
quick
trip
up
there
on
Hubble.
O
A
A
R
Good
evening
my
name
is
Rex.
Deckard
I
passed
her
Calvary
Apostolic
Church,
which
is
immediately
adjacent
to
the
old
Kmart
parking
lot
on
Easton
Boulevard,
except
for
Easton
Boulevard.
We
share
most
of
the
road
frontage
with
the
old
Kmart
parking
lot.
My
house
is
also
the
back
side
of
the
church.
So
if
I
literally
look
out
my
bedroom
window,
I
am
looking
at
the
Kmart
building
and
I
have
been
there
for
about
20
years.
So
this
is
very
near
and
dear
to
our
heart,
because
of
that
just
the
close
proximity.
R
We
were
very
disappointed
when
the
Kmart
closed.
It
had
its
shortcomings
to
be
sure,
but
nonetheless
it
was
always
busy
and
I
think
it
served
the
Eastside
quite
well
from
a
church
standpoint
we
have
sponsored
a
number
of
festivals
and
carnivals
and
flea
markets,
and
we
had
farmers
market
there
for
a
number
of
years
and
we
would
use
the
Kmart
parking
lot
because
we
were
using
the
church
parking
lot
to
have
the
events,
and
these
were
events
for
the
east
side.
R
We
had
trunk-or-treat
number
of
things
and
so
first
of
all
we're
a
little
disappointed
that
we've
lost
the
ability
to
do
that
with
the
parking
when
Kmart
closed,
we
even
made
a
contact
with
a
real
estate
agent
to
inquire
as
to
what
was
going
to
happen
with
this
building
and
we
were
hopeful.
We
were
like
everyone
else.
We
were
hopeful
for
a
lot
of
other
options,
besides
a
storage
unit
or
a
u-haul
truck,
and
we
were
a
little
disappointed
that
really
wasn't
what
we
were
hoping
for.
We
were
hoping
for
something
we
thought
would
elevate.
R
The
neighborhood
were
already
concerned
that
next
door
to
Gordon's,
we
have
a
lot
of
empty
space
there
on
Hubbell
on
the
western
side,
we
would
look
at
the
east
and
side
on
the
south.
Part
of
Easton
van's
auto
was
closed
down
and
we
have
a
lot
of
empty
space
there.
Then
you
go
down
Hubbell
past
the
QT
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
empty
stuff
there
too.
So
our
first
thing
is
is
well.
We
would
rather
have
this
than
have
it
just
set
as
an
empty
building
for
years.
R
East,
14th
and
and
Euclid
had
that
up
in
that
area
for
a
number
of
years,
and
that
never
was
a
good
situation,
so
we
didn't
want
it
to
really
sit
empty
and
having
a
u-haul
would
be
I
suppose
preferable
to
having
an
empty
building.
Although
that
wasn't
our
first,
but
if
it
is
going
to
be
there,
we
wanted
to
meet
certain
standards
that
are
going
to
somehow
elevate
the
neighborhood
and
not
just
depreciate
it
further.
We
do
have
concerns
about
crime
and
we
concur
with
our
neighbors
on
that.
R
We've
had
six
thefts
in
2018
alone
on
our
church
property,
we
have
had
shootings
that
have
occurred
in
front
of
our
church
between
our
church
and
Kmart.
A
couple
of
times
this
year
and
I
actually
ran
out
of
the
church
for
one
of
the
shootings
that
was
taking
place
there
and
to
try
to
mediate,
probably
not
the
smartest
idea.
R
But
so
we
are
concerned
about
our
neighborhood
and
we
want
to
see
it
elevated
rather
than
brought
down
so
I'm,
not
completely
opposed
to
this
I
somewhat
disappointed,
but
I'm
not
completely
opposed,
but
I
am
opposed
to
them
just
coming
in
and
setting
up
shop
without
doing
something
to
meet
standards
that
the
city
is
set
to.
Somehow
elevator
lift
up
our
neighborhood
I
have.
A
J
R
We
had
got
it
at
a
good
price
and
then
done
something
with
the
property
for
the
neighborhood
and
at
the
time
they
were
having
difficulty
even
tracking
down
how
to
get
in
touch
with
the
actual
owner,
which
was
an
LLC,
and
they
were
having
a
lot
of
problems,
just
communicating
with
who
owned
the
property.
And
so
at
that
point
it
really
didn't
go
anywhere.
So,
but
we
did
make
some
enquiries
just
trying
to
find
out
what's
happening.
Can
we
get
involved
in
any
way
to
try
to?
No?
R
We
were
even
thinking
of
reaching
out
to
different
entities
trying
to
encourage
them
to
locate
in
our
neighborhood
and
and
I
agree
when
you
have
to
drive
to
Ankeny
or
West
Des,
Moines
or
Altoona
for
a
lot
of
basic
things.
I
think
there's
a
great
marketing
opportunity
for
somebody
there
on
side.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
and
they
have
money
to
spend
just
like
everybody
else,
they're
just
spending
it
in
other
neighborhoods.
So
we
were
hoping
maybe
to
even
reach
out
to
some
entities,
but
we
never
really
going
through
that
commercial
realtor.
W
Good
evening
my
name's
Kent
excuse
me
Kent
ball
Dookie.
My
address
is
2801
Hubbell,
as
my
business
address,
it
seems
like
I
live
there,
but
that's
where
my
office
is,
and
it
seems
that,
while
there's
a
lot
of
folks
that
are
clearly
disappointed,
that
warehouse
facility
is
going
in
here.
I
think
the
wants
and
desires
of
other
businesses
at
this
point
is
is
relatively
moot
moving
forward.
W
Looking
at
the
plan
that's
proposed
I
would
ask
the
board
to
deny
a
variance
on
the
landscaping,
variance
request
and
the
reason
being
if
we
look
at
the
photo
of
the
site
what's
shown,
is
a
strip
around
their
proposed
of
roughly
five
feet
and
to
put
that
in
perspective,
that's
slightly
wider
than
a
sheet
of
plywood.
What
the
city
planners
have
proposed
is
a
20
foot
buffer
I
think
you
should
keep
in
mind
that,
of
course,
Kmart
was
built
in
the
60s.
W
You
go
slightly
one
direction
or
another
and
you're
in
you're,
in
people's
homes,
whether
it's
up
east
and
East,
27th
Street
a
little
further
towards
the
school
all
those
things,
and
for
that
reason
it's
important
to
take
into
consideration
the
neighborhood
and
the
vitality
of
the
neighborhood
to
allow
this
facility
to
go
in
without
the
softening
landscaping,
as
proposed
by
your
city
planners,
is
wrong.
It's
wrong.
If,
yes,
it
would
be
nice
to
have
some
retail
things
in
there,
some
recreational
things,
but
obviously
that's
not
I.
W
W
But
we
can't
leave
this
neighborhood
in
the
wake
and
leave
it
behind
if,
regardless
of
what
facility
went
in
there,
whether
it
was
a
storage
facility
or
it
was
some
type
of
retail
facility
regardless
of
what
goes
in
there.
Now
is
the
time
and
the
opportunity
to
lift
the
neighborhood
up,
not
leave
a
stagnant,
not
let
it
drop
further
behind,
but
to
lift
it
up
with
the
improvements
in
the
landscaping
requirements.
W
I
think
that
is
the
least
that
we
can
do
for
the
people
that
live
live
nearby
and
for
the
neighborhood
and
I
also
think
that
it
makes
for
a
tremendous
asset
for
the
City
of
Des
Moines.
We
want
the
city
we
want
people
to
be
here.
We
want
people
to
choose
to
live
here.
Certainly
we
want
people
to
choose
to
do
business
here,
but
we
want
people
to
want
to
be
here,
and
people
don't
want
to
be
in
areas
and
neighborhoods
that
are
barren
and
unattractive.
So
I'm
asking
you
to
deny
any
variance.
W
Q
Yeah
I'd
like
to
just
to
quickly
address
some
concerns
a
great
feedback.
Thank
you.
Everyone
I'll
just
go
down
a
list:
I
just
jotted,
some
notes.
As
far
as
trucks
being
strewn
around
we're,
providing
a
very
organized
I'm,
sorry
very
organized
spaces
for
the
equipment
everything's
numbered,
it's
very
organized,
even
the
shunting
area
is
numbered.
Q
As
far
as
other
opportunities
that
could
have
went
in
the
in
the
building,
I
can
appreciate
that
I
found
it
very
easily.
I
personally
contacted
the
owner.
His
name
is
Richard
rid
law.
Very
nice
gentleman
lives
in
Florida,
and
the
rest
is
history.
We
now
on
the
building.
As
far
as
how
much
storage
do
we
need?
We
do
a
market
area
propensity
study,
which
is
basically
the
penet
penetration
of
the
number
of
storage
units
versus
the
population,
and
we
listen
to
our
customers,
who
tell
us
we
need
storage
in
the
area.
Q
We
don't
feel
that
that
the
penetration
for
storage
has
met
its
peak.
Yet
the
building
is
actually
in
pretty
good
shape.
The
roof
is
good,
it
does
not
leak.
It
was
replaced
about
15
years
ago.
We're
gonna
have
a
substantial
investment
here,
no
secret
we're
spending
almost
4
million
on
the
building
just
to
buy
it.
We're
gonna
pipe
put
all
said
and
done
another
two
million
in
it.
So
this
is
a
substantial
investment,
we're
taking
it
very
seriously.
Q
It's
it's
gonna,
be
a
beautiful
building.
Everybody
knows
what
it
looks
like
now:
I
think
it's
gonna
be
a
beautiful
product
as
far
as
upgrades
to
make
it
more
safe,
I,
don't
know
that
I
can
help
the
crime
statistics
in
the
area,
but
I
can
make
this
and
we'll
make
this
a
welcoming
environment.
All
that
exterior
lighting
will
be
replaced,
energy-efficient,
LED
lighting.
Every
parking
lot
light
will
work,
it
will
be
safe,
it'll,
be
welcoming.
No
one
will
be
afraid
to
go
through
there.
Q
Q
Q
Jobs,
you
have
been
in
business
for
75
years.
We've
provided
personal
professional
growth
for
many
people
over
the
years.
Once
we
enter
a
relationship
with
a
neighborhood
we're
there.
So
for
the
next
75
years,
let's
say
we'll
be
providing
jobs
for
future
generation
of
you
haulers,
so
I've
been
with
u-haul
35
years.
It's
a
great
company,
so
I
hope
that
addresses
some
of
the
concerns.
Thank
you.
I
do.
A
Have
one
thought
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
you
who
would
be
like
the
site
person
site
every
day,
but
I
happen
to
work
on
6th
Avenue
and
we
are
very
engaged
in
the
neighborhood
organization.
You
know
as
organization
we
participate
the
neighborhood
meetings
and
so
forth.
What
is
the
plan
for
your
company
to
be
involved
in
this
neighborhood
organization?.
Q
Q
Q
A
J
B
I'm,
just
gonna
make
a
comment.
I
think
city
staff
recognizes
that
when
we
have
opportunities
like
this
on
major
corridors
like
this,
we
have
an
obligation
to
bring
these
properties
up
to
current
day's
standards
and
those
which
are
in
place
foreseeably
in
the
future.
So
long
as
we
can
do
that
without
undue
burden
on
the
land
owner
and
developer,
and
that
the
property
is
being
used
for
a
proper
purpose.
B
Pursuant
to
the
zoning,
so
I
see
the
city
staff
recommendation
as
just
that,
we'll
have
more
pervious
surface,
more
open
space,
more
trees,
greater
set
back
from
the
street
improved
facade
all
storages
in
a
building.
That's
there
they're
not
going
to
be
new
buildings
and
there
won't
be
any
payday
lenders
on
the
property.
Whoever
had
that
one
for
us
so
I
see
that
city
staff
has
taken
their
obligation
seriously
and
I
think
we
should
follow
the
recommendations
of
city
staff
on
this
and
how
it
moves
down.
K
I'd
like
to
echo
what
Jack
has
has
said:
I
remember
night,
the
flood
of
93,
you
remember
the
flood
of
93
yeah.
We
remember
the
flood
of
93
and
what
happened
there.
I
would
think
that
the
property
owner
or
the
tenant
would
be
happy
to
have
more
pervious
areas
too,
as
a
protection
and
a
security.
So
I
think
that
would
be
a
benefit
for
for
the
new
occupant
and.
B
A
H
K
I
A
K
F
A
A
M
M
And
then
we
will
be
scheduling
some
meetings
with
both
our
steering
committee,
as
well
as
input
meetings
in
the
public
delete'
towards
the
end
of
March,
and
then
we
would
like
to
have
a
workshop
of
the
council
or
with
the
Planning
Commission
in
April,
to
go
through
the
document
as
well.
Our
hope
is
based
on
the
schedule
that
we've
provided
to
the
council
on
Monday
is
that
we
could
begin
with
at
least
a
workshop
in
April
and
a
public
hearing
in
May
by
the
Planning
Commission.
We
would
not
ask
you
to
take
action.
M
The
night
of
the
hearing.
We
would
wait
a
month
like
we
did
with
the
comp
plan
before
we'd.
Ask
you
to
make
a
recommendation
on
the
code
and
then
it
would
go
to
Council,
there's
just
based
on
the
timeline
of
the
council
meetings
and
Planning
Commission
meetings,
the
earliest
that
we
think
this
could
be
done
is
the
end
of
August
after
all,
the
public
hearings.
M
So
if
you
hear
concerns
that
there's
not
enough
time
to
comment
throughout
this,
there
will
be
multiple
opportunities
for
people
to
comment,
and
the
hearing
process
is
where
those
comments
really
should
be
made.
We
encourage
people
to
be
involved
in
the
process
for
those
public
hearings
and
I.
Think
it's
imperative
that
we
that
we
have
a
code
adopted
this
year.
I
really
really
believe
that
I
know
it's
been
a
long.
It's
been
50,
yes,.
M
This
code
was
last
comprehensively
rewritten
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
just
give
you
a
brief
update
on
that.
There
will
be
more
information
posted
about
public
meetings
coming
up
in
public
hearings
coming
up
on
the
draft
code,
but
we
took
the
comments
very
seriously
and
we
have
proposed
revisions
to
the
code.
That
should
not
surprise
anyone
that
there
are
revisions
to
the
draft.
That's
the
purpose
of
those
comment
periods
that
we
had.
So
thank
you
very
much
all
right.