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From YouTube: 12-7-20 City Council Work Session
Description
Des Moines City Council morning work session via teleconference on Monday, Dec. 7, 2020.
A
And
I
just
want
to
remind
everyone
that
this
this
may
be
a
fairly
new
topic
for
some,
and
so
we
tried
putting
together
several
speakers
to
bring
the
council
up
to
speed
in
this
area,
but
we
can
absolutely
bring
in
more
speakers
have
more
conversation,
whatever
additional
research
may
be
helpful,
we're
just
here
to
assist
in
in
the
council
setting
such
a
goal.
The
second
item,
we'll
we'll
talk
about,
was
also
discussed
among
council
in
the
need
for
more
communications
from
and
through
our
neighborhood
associations.
B
Okey-Doke,
let's
who's
gonna,
start
out
scott
jeremy,
all
right
jeremy,
let's
go
ahead
and
get
started
with
you
and
give
us
sort
of
an
update
on
what's
going
on.
This
is
important.
Work
and
jeremy
has
been
working
with
everybody
from
the
task
force
to
our
city
staff,
to
figure
out
ways
that
we
can
improve
the
performance
of
our
buildings
and,
quite
frankly,
thank
you
for
leading
this
discussion
this
morning,
jeremy.
C
Thank
you
mayor.
Can
everyone
hear
me
all
right,
yep,
all
right,
council
and
mayor?
Thank
you
for
your
time
today.
We
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
convene
this
group
of
stakeholders
and
to
provide
insights
on
how
we
can
move
towards
the
goals
laid
out
by
the
resolution.
C
C
Looks
like
my
slides
there
we
go
all
right
based
on
the
latest
2020
resident
survey
residents
were
least
satisfied
with
the
city's
progress
toward
reducing
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
followed
closely
by
dissatisfaction
with
the
city's
efforts
to
conserve
energy,
both
community-wide
and
within
city
facilities,
to
continue
to
reduce
emissions.
We
need
to
create
an
energy
master
plan
for
our
community,
and
this
resolution
helps
sets
the
stage
for
that
process.
C
C
C
C
It's
going
to
take
a
multi-faceted
approach
that
includes
multiple
solutions
from
energy
efficiency
to
renewable
energy,
the
electrification
of
buildings
and
vehicles,
and
a
host
of
other
solutions
to
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
given
what
we
faced
as
a
community
and
state
this
year.
Ultimately,
we
could
all
just
use
something
positive
to
work
towards
together.
C
So
why
should
des
moines?
Lead?
Cities
are
on
the
front
line
of
climate
change.
The
actions
we
take
locally
have
the
greatest
potential
to
build
momentum
and
create
change,
simply
put
it's
just
good
governance
cities
across
the
country
and
the
midwest
continue
to
partner
with
their
local
utilities
to
set
and
achieve
aggressive
targets.
C
C
President-Elect
joe
biden
has
made
climate
policy
a
key
national
security
priority
and
is
pledged
to
rejoin
the
paris
climate
accord
on
day.
One
of
taking
office
mayor
county
has
been
elected
interim
president
of
ickley
global,
a
convening
body
bringing
together
local
governments
for
sustainability
on
the
international
stage,
and
he
has
worked
for
years
towards
ambitious
climate
commitments
on
the
global
stage
as
well
as
nationally
and
locally,
and
we
need
to
finalize
and
adopt
those
commitments.
C
Over
240
u.s
cities
have
committed
to
100
clean
electricity
goals,
ranging
from
as
early
as
2022
to
2050..
We
can
do
the
same.
Leading
by
example
is
what
we
do,
whether
that's
on
a
list
of
best
places
to
live:
top-ranked,
city
and
affordability,
the
best
city
to
pursue
a
stem
career
or
best
city
for
health
and
well-being.
We
can
also
be
a
best
city
for
sustainable
communities
and
renewable
energy
as
well.
C
This
workshop
is
intended
to
provide
council
with
background
information
and
guidance
to
inform
the
creation
of
renewable
energy
and
emissions
reductions,
targets
that
align
with
global
agreements
and
best
practices
and
that
meet
or
exceed
those
adopted
by
other
cities.
Translating
the
ideas
presented
today
into
action
is
contingent
on
sound
policy
drivers
and
bold
but
achievable
goals.
C
C
Most
of
those
projects-
probably
weren't
easy
and,
at
times
probably
didn't,
seem
feasible,
but
each
of
them
is
a
success
story.
Now,
next
up
we
have
the
iowa
environmental
council,
an
organization
that
is
a
tyler's
advocate
educator
and
coalition
builder,
around
issues
related
to
clean
energy,
climate,
water
and
land
use,
and
then
we
have
wildann
as
a
critical
energy
services
and
engineering
consultancy
for
many
of
iowa's
local
governments,
utilities,
schools
and
businesses.
C
They
provide
technical
expertise
on
practice,
so
practical
solutions
to
get
us
to
100,
renewable
energy
and
zero
emissions
across
multiple
sectors
and
then,
finally,
we'll
conclude
with
perspectives
from
the
city's
residents
and
a
local
business.
Heather
christensen
will
represent
the
task
force
on
sustainability
and
chemin
industries
where
she's
the
sustainability
coordinator
and
she's
also
an
urban
ambassador.
C
B
Yeah
jeremy,
we
do
have
one
hand
up
before
we
get
started
joe.
Do
you
want
to
quickly
jump
in
and
follow.
D
Me
to
wait
until
the
end.
I
just
had
a
question
about
the
first
slide
that
he
showed,
but
if
you
want
me
to
wait
until
the
end,
I
can.
C
So
here
are
just
a
few
key
terms
that
you
will
likely
hear
today.
This
slide
is
for
reference,
I'm
not
going
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
it,
but
I
think
I
can
speak
for
the
presenters
today.
If
there's
a
definition
or
something
you
need
clarification
on,
please
don't
hesitate
to
ask.
We
spend
all
day
dealing
with
these
terms
and
not
everybody
else
does
so.
I
just
wanted
to
touch
quickly
on
international
agreements
and
policy.
C
C
And
then
I
just
wanted
to
touch
briefly
on
the
international
or
the
intergovernmental
panel
on
climate
change,
which
was
established
in
1988
by
the
u.n
and
assesses
climate
change
based
on
the
latest
science.
C
Thousands
of
experts
from
around
the
world
combined
the
most
recent
developments
in
science,
adaptation,
vulnerability
and
mitigation
and
lay
out
the
process
that
we
need
to
follow
to
meet,
to
meet
global
temp
or
to
keep
global
temperatures
below
1.5
degrees
celsius.
A
key
fact
of
the
ipc
is
that
it's
a
a
partnership
between
scientists
and
policy
makers.
It
is
why
their
work
is
a
credible
source
of
information
for
policy
makers.
Like
you.
C
According
to
ickley,
over
240
cities
have
committed
to
100
clean
electricity
goals
in
the
midwest
alone.
Over
45
cities
have
partnered
with
their
local
utilities
to
pursue
100
percent
clean
electricity
goals
and
those
include
minneapolis
lawrence,
kansas,
st
louis
traverse,
city
and
kansas
city,
among
others.
We
aren't
alone
in
iowa.
Other
cities
have
set
similar
or
more
aggressive
emissions
targets,
but
for
energy
we
all
are
falling
a
little
behind.
There
are
currently
from
what
I
can
tell
no
cities
in
iowa
that
are
leading
the
way
in
this
area.
C
C
So
I
just
wanted
to
talk
about
des
moines
leadership,
real,
quick
guy
dsm
plan
dsm
and
the
city's
other
major
planning
and
policy
efforts
signal
a
commitment
to
sustainable
communities.
C
The
city's
current
goal
for
greenhouse
gas
reductions
is
28
over
2008
levels
by
2025
and
I'm
happy
to
report.
We
are
well
on
the
way
to
that.
I'm
currently
working
with
students
from
you
and
I
to
update
our
greenhouse
gas
inventory
and
hope
to
have
that
completed
by
the
end
of
the
year
and
the
trends
look
good
for
meeting
that
goal,
but
we
haven't
set
goals
for
beyond
that
date.
So
we
need
to
think
about
doing
that
now.
C
C
C
E
Nope
now
gone
correct,
yep
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir
all
right
well
good
morning,
everybody
and
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
discuss
how
mid-american
energy
and
the
city
of
des
moines
can
continue
to
be
partners
and
work
together,
which
we've
done
for
decades
and
thanks
jeremy
for
recognizing
that
and
for
others
along
the
way
to
help
meet
your
energy
goals.
E
So,
first
and
foremost,
it's
very
clear
that
we
share
the
city's
goals
of
lowering
emissions
and
seeing
the
city
grow
sustainably.
In
fact,
we've
made
more
progress
in
developing
renewable
energy
generation
than
any
other
rate.
Regulated
utility
in
the
country.
Being
a
good
steward
of
the
environment
is
part
of
our
environmental
respect,
core
principle.
So,
let's
just
start
where
we've
been
and
where
we
are
going
together
as
your
utility
partner.
E
So,
as
you
know,
mid-american
announced
our
100
percent
renewable
energy
vision
in
2016.,
and
this
slide
shows
you
that
pathway
for
the
future
and
our
elevated
goal
producing
more
and
more
renewable
energy
for
the
benefit
of
every
customer,
and
we
have
also
started
our
green
advantage
program
in
conjunction
in
partnership
with
the
iowa
utilities
board.
And
it's
through
this
program
that
the
iub
verifies
the
amount
of
renewable
energy
we
produce
and
deliver
to
our
customers
on
an
annual
basis.
E
And
so,
as
you
can
see
this
year,
we
delivered
renewable
energy
equal
to
61.3
percent
of
our
customers
usage
in
19.,
and
so
we
expect
that
percentage
to
get
to
83
in
2021.
E
So
simply
by
being
our
customer,
every
person
in
business
and
in
des
moines
gets
to
get
this
83
percent
of
their
energy
from
renewable
resources,
regardless
of
their
situation.
So
we
invest
in
renewable
energy
on
behalf
of
our
customers,
so
the
full
benefits
can
be
reaped
equitably
by
all
customers,
while
helping
them
see
achieve
their
sustainability
goals.
E
E
So
we
always
continue
to
evaluate
and
adopt
technologies
that
align
with
our
customers
goals
of
reliable
energy
at
an
affordable
price
that
is
delivered
in
a
sustainable
way.
So,
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
affordability,
reliability,
because
at
mid-american
we
check
ourselves
with
the
term
balanced
outcomes
and
we
use
it
to
ensure
our
decisions
do
not
adversely
impact
anyone.
E
I
mean
anyone
and
we
are
acutely
focused
on
environmental
justice,
but
equally
focused
on
social
justice,
and
our
approach
is
to
ensure
all
customers
can
afford
their
electric
service
delivering
affordable
energy
is
especially
critical
for
those
who
are
most
vulnerable
as
lower
fixed
incomes
can
be
dispersed
disproportionately
affected
by
rising
energy
costs
and
are
often
less
able
to
take
advantage
of
energy
and
saving
programs.
So,
as
we
continue
to
move
toward
our
cleaner
carbon
free
energy
resources,
we
must
provide
the
balance
with
affordability
and
reliability
as
well.
E
Another
way
of
thinking
about
this
is
the
three-legged
stool
for
the
energy
of
for
the
delivery
of
energy.
The
legs
of
the
stool
are
affordability,
reliability
and
sustainability,
and
so
without
any
one
of
these
legs
that
stool
falls
down
and
because
the
wind
doesn't
always
blow
and
the
sun
doesn't
always
shine.
Our
renewable
assets
cannot
solely
be
relied
upon
to
provide
the
consistent
and
reliable
power.
Our
customers
need
to
power
their
lives,
and
I
think
we
all
can
remember
the
directio
and
it
provided
this.
E
The
great
opportunity
to
appreciate
the
relia,
the
role
of
reliable
energy
sources,
and
we
all
know
what
the
impacts
were
due
to
this
storm
and
many
of
the
weather
situations
we
endure
throughout
all
12
months
of
the
year,
and
there
is
very
limited,
I
would
almost
say,
small
tolerance
for
not
being
able
to
have
your
electricity
on
when
you
need
it,
because
we
rely
all
rely
on
having
our
lights
on
our
computers
running
our
phones,
charged
manufacturing,
equipment,
humming
and
hospitals
functioning
without
interruption.
E
Energy
reliability
is
a
must
have
for
our
customers,
and
rightly
so.
So
today,
our
fossil
generation
fills
a
critical
gap
that
is
cost
prohibitive
to
overcome
more
advances
in
technology,
but
we
will
get
there.
This
is
done
while
maintaining
some
of
the
lowest
rates
in
the
country
and
currently
we're
the
13th
lowest,
and
we
have
the
31
below
national
average.
That's
an
incredible
something
that
we're
proud
of
that.
We
share
with
all
of
our
customers
and
as
your
partner
with
the
city
of
des
moines.
E
So
these
shared
goals
drive
sustainable
economic
development
from
small
businesses
to
manufacturers
which
drive
the
city's
revenue
stream
and
economic
prosperity.
In
balance
with
environmental
and
social
justice,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
mike
now,
as
he's
got
a
couple
other
options
for
you
to
consider
as
we
work
together
on
this
path
forward.
G
G
Okay,
I
apologize
I'll
try
to
talk
a
little
louder.
There
have
been
several
studies
done
looking
at
these
costs,
what
it
would
take
to
move
iowa
to
100
renewable
through
a
few
different.
G
You
know
assumptions
and
there's
different
things
in
these
studies,
but
I've
reviewed
the
iowa
environmental
council's
report,
titled
iowa's
road
to
100
renewable,
and
this
slide
summarizes
the
content
of
the
recommendations
in
that
report,
and
you
can
see
that,
even
in
the
low
case
this
this
goes
through
the
renewables
that
it
would
take
to
build
the
the
renewable
capacity
that
we
need
to
serve
the
state
of
iowa
and
there's
two
different.
There's
two
different
cases.
G
There's
a
low
case
and
a
high
case,
the
renewables
for
the
low
case
and
the
high
case
are
shown.
We
don't
know
what
the
amount
of
batteries
would
be.
That's
not
something
that
was
included
in
the
report,
but
even
looking
at
this,
you
can
see
get
a
feel
for
the
investment
amount
that
would
be
required
to
serve
iowa
and
again.
G
We
we
tried
to
look
at
this
doing
our
own
little
analysis.
It's
it's
an
analysis
where
we
look
at
the
investment
amount
that
would
be
required,
and
then
we
look
at
what
that
would
take
to
get
there
with
100
renewables
and
energy
storage,
so
100
renewable
energy
storage.
I
believe
that's
consistent
with
what
you
have
in
your
resolution
and
to
accomplish
that.
There's
two
feasible
ways
that
we
think
we
could.
We
can
show
you
to
get
there.
G
The
first
option
only
includes
renewables
for
the
energy,
it
doesn't
consider
other
non-carbon
emitting
generation
sources
and
the
renewables
would
be
built
primarily
outside
of
des
moines,
just
due
to
sighting
requirements
and
wind
resources,
and
it
would
also
take
a
considerable
amount
of
utility
scale
batteries.
So
the
the
size
of
the
battery
area
required
is
roughly
equivalent
to
the
capital
complex,
as
shown
the
size
of
the
capital
complex.
As
shown
on
the
slide
that
I'm
presenting
now.
G
G
We
would
need
to
collect
the
cost
entirely
from
des
moines,
so
obviously
the
the
scale
would
have
to
go
up
considerably
if
we
were
going
to
serve
all
of
iowa.
So
that's
a
big
concept.
It's
a
new
concept.
Let
me
just
quickly
walk
through
some
of
the
bill
impacts
that
we
would
expect
based
on
these
two
alternative
methods
of
achieving
that
goal.
G
G
G
This
is
the
same
thing,
but
for
a
small
business
customer
such
as
a
restaurant.
So
the
initial
bill
amount
here
currently
is
about
570
a
month
and
with
the
renewable
and
batteries
option
there
would
be
a
two
thousand
dollar
plus
adder
to
that
bill,
to
recover
the
cost
of
those
investments
and
with
the
nuclear
case
that
amount
is
approximately
392.,
so
the
commercial
bill
would
go
up
by
about
four
and
a
half
times
in
the
case
of
renewable
plus
batteries
and
about
1.7
times
in
the
case
of
nuclear
plus
batteries,
the
industrial
customer.
G
We
picked
a
typical
industrial
customer
here
and
we
did
the
same
bill
comparison
for
that
customer
class.
The
bill,
the
monthly
bill
amount
shown
here
under
the
normal
status
quo
circumstance
is
about
eight
thousand
dollars
a
month
when
we
add
the
renewable
and
battery
cost
recovery.
It
increases
by
about
thirty
six
thousand
dollars
to
forty
three
thousand
dollars
per
month
and
under
the
nuclear
case,
the
amount
jumps
by
about
7
000
to
about
16
000
a
month.
So
in
this
case
the
renewable
and
batteries
increases
the
bill.
G
By
about
it
makes
the
bill
about
5.4
times
what
it
would
have
been
previously
and
in
the
nuclear
case
about
1.9
times
what
it
would
have
been
previously
again.
Those
are
the
numbers
set
out
here
are
really
just
for
the
des
moines
customers.
It
would
not
be
reflective
of
the
rest
of
our
service
territory
and
the
column
on
the
far
right
is
kind
of
the
status
quo
column,
where
again,
mid-american
continues
to
attempt
to
decarbonize,
but
without
installing
these
additional
resources
to
serve
the
city
of
des
moines.
E
All
right,
so
obviously
we
have
provided
you
a
lot
of
information
here.
What
we
really
wanted
to
do
was
give
you
a
concept
of
opportunities,
options,
ideas
how
we
can
get
you
to
a
space
that
you
maybe
or
may
not
want
to
embrace
additionally
beyond
what
we're
providing
everybody
already
through
green
advantage.
E
So
that
was
our
purpose
here
today,
but
we,
I
think,
also
wanted
to
let
you
know
and
and
confirm,
where
we're
going
together
and
then
obviously
we're
pretty
proud
of
being
your
energy
partner
and
that
we've
built
a
very
impressive
resume
working
together,
sharing
goals
and
solving
problems,
supporting
initiatives
affecting
change
change
again
by
working
together
and
again.
E
And
I
you
know,
I
have
a
lot
of
opportunities
to
work
with
the
city
and
all
of
you
in
all
of
the
business
across
our
our
great
region
and
elected
officials,
that
we
brought
obviously
great
jobs
and
businesses
to
the
community
by
providing
low-cost,
rent,
reliable
and
renewable
energy,
because
it
is
the
key
competitive
advantage
and
you
can't
have
one
without
the
other,
and
I
think
that's
why
the
visual
of
the
three-legged
stool
makes
so
much
sense
for
us
to
understand
and
also
energy
efficiency.
E
We
can't
go
that
unsaid,
that's
a
big
value
proposition
as
well,
and
the
fact
that
we
are
at
the
table
through
various
programs,
and
you
know,
supporting
our
customers.
There
would
have
resulted
in
about
215
million
kwh
of
energy
savings
during
the
last
five
years,
which
is
equivalent
to
about
152
000
metric
tons
of
co2
kwh
emissions.
We've
also
got
a
very
strong
electric
vehicle
and
fleet
fleet
electrification
program,
so
working
together
we
can
help
build
and
charge
infrastructure
in
the
city
at
a
very
affordable
space.
E
Obviously,
we're
proud
of
our
good
corporate
citizenship
role
that
we
play
with
this
community
from
sponsoring
darts
electric
buses
to
supporting
major
community
enhancements,
we're
very
proud
to
call
des
moines
home
and
that
it
is
where
we
have
our
headquarters
as
well.
So
again,
thank
you
for
this
great
opportunity,
obviously
we'll
be
available
now
and
in
the
future,
to
continue
to
work
together
to
make
good
decisions
and
to
continue
to
bring
at
least
what
we
can
to
the
table
with
you.
Thank.
E
H
All
right,
so,
first
of
all
just
thank
you
so
much
for
having
us
today
and
allowing
us
the
opportunity
to
present.
I
have
a
pr
prepared
presentation
here
today,
but
I
I
may
have
to
I'm
gonna
go
through
my
slides,
but
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
addressing
some
of
what
was
stated
by
a
mid-american
in
the
presentation
here
before
so
just
to
begin
a
little
about
the
iowa
environmental
council.
H
H
So
why
reach
for
100
renewable
electricity
scientists
tell
us
we
have
roughly
a
decade
to
make
real
and
substantial
progress
to
avoid
the
worst
impacts
of
climate
change.
This
will
require
the
largest
and
fastest
transition
the
energy
sector
has
ever
seen.
It
doesn't
have
to
happen
tomorrow.
But
if
we're
going
to
be
where
we
need
to
be
in
10
years,
we
need
to
start
planning.
Today.
H
Electric
sector
emissions
have
fallen
a
lot
in
the
past
decade,
and
that
is
a
good
thing
with
the
addition
of
wind
and
mid-american
has
really
been
an
exceptional
leader
in
this
space
nationally,
while
keeping
rates
low
and
they
referenced
that
earlier.
But
you
can
see
that
expanding
wind
clearly
doesn't
mean
necessarily
falling
emissions.
H
H
H
This
major
shift
away
from
coal
is
impressive.
It
also
has
meant
10
000,
wind
energy
jobs,
61
million
dollars
in
local
property
tax
payments
annually
and
69
million
dollars
in
payments
to
farmers
who
host
turbines
on
their
land
building
out
renewables
even
further,
including
expanding
investments,
to
include
solar
and
storage,
would
provide
even
more
economic
benefit
in
iowa.
H
So
mike
mentioned
the
report
that
we
released
earlier
this
year,
you
may
not
have
seen
it
at
the
time.
There
were
a
few
other
news
items
dominating
the
headlines
in
may,
but
this
is
important.
We
looked
at
a
dozen
recent
studies
about
iowa's
role
in
decarbony
decarbonizing,
the
us
electric
grid.
We
found
that
we
would
need
between
thirty
thousand
and
sixty
one
thousand
megawatts
of
wind
and
five
and
twenty
thousand
megawatts
of
solar
to
decarbonize.
H
In
the
micelle
process
in
iowa,
so
just
wanted
to
note
that
there
that
we
have
already
had
investments
worth
ten
thousand
megawatts
of
wind,
it
was
not
clear
whether
the
numbers
from
mid-american
there
included
that
ten
thousand
that's
already
in
the
ground
that
we're
already
you
know,
iowa
customers
are
already
paying
for
or
not,
but
that
ten
thousand
a
third
of
the
way
to
that
thirty
thousand
goal
is
already
in
the
ground
and
paid
for
while
mid-american
has
kept
rates
low.
H
H
Cost
reductions
in
renewables
have
turned
the
economics
of
energy
energy
generation
upside
down,
and
it
is
now,
in
many
cases
cheaper
to
build
new
renewables
than
to
continue
to
operate
existing
coal
plants.
If
we
do
make
the
switch,
then
energy
is
cost.
If
we
do
not
make
the
switch
over,
then
energy
is
costing
customers
more
than
it
should
period.
H
Our
utilities
should
be
doing
the
math
to
see
what
makes
the
most
economic
sense.
So
you
can
have
a
pure
cost
number
that
you
need
to
look
at
compared
to
what
are
we
paying
more
or
will
be
paying
more
in
the
next
couple
of
years
to
continue
to
use
existing
sources
of
generation
versus
building
new?
That's
a
calculation
that
we
have
not
seen
done.
H
H
Also,
he
mentioned
the
stat
of
one
in
three
americans
already
lives
in
a
community
that
is
committed
to
or
achieved
100
renewable
electricity
and
that's
in
diverse
cities
with
diverse
utilities,
we're
talking
about
excel
energy,
american
electric
power
in
arkansas,
rocky
mountain
power
in
salt,
lake
city
and
others
we're
not
just
talking
about
municipal
utilities.
It's
utilities
across
the
spectrum.
H
Iowa
has
an
exclusive
service
territory
law,
so
people
do
not
have
a
choice
in
where
they
get
their
energy,
especially
people
who
are
unable
to
afford
their
own
solar
panels.
For
example,
government
set
policy,
the
federal
win
production,
tax,
credit
and
good
regulatory
policies
passed
by
the
state
legislature
drove
mid-american
investments
in
wind
des
moines
and
its
residents
are
customers
of
mid-american
policy
is
the
way
we
let
them
know
what
we
want.
H
I
hope
you
all
received
the
letter
I
delivered
with
over
40
businesses
and
organizations,
as
well
as
600
des
moines
residents,
who
are
asking
for
mid-american
to
be
a
leader
for
the
city
council
to
set
the
policy.
That's
going
to
get
us
to
100
renewable
setting
policy
and
and
making
our
voices
heard
is
the
only
way
we
can
really
have
a
voice
in
what
what
our
utility
does
we're,
not
demanding
that
this
happens
tomorrow.
Of
course,
we
understand
how
the
how
the
energy
system
works,
how
the
miso
process
works,
etc.
H
But
by
setting
this
policy
goal,
the
city
is
deciding
a
policy
that
will
drive.
Innovation.
Mid-American
has
done
this
before
pushing
further
than
anyone
would
have
thought
possible
a
decade
ago.
We
are
confident
with
the
with
the
right
policy
levers
in
place.
They
can
do
it
again
over
the
next
decade.
Thank.
H
D
Mary,
real
quick-
and
I
know
we're
not
supposed
to
answer-
ask
questions,
but
I
think
before
carrie
leaves
was
there
a
presentation
directed
at
all
des
moines
with
with
her
go
back
a
few
slides
or
is
this
the
entire
state
of
iowa.
D
Okay,
so
we're
focusing
on
des
moines,
not
not
the
state.
So
do
you
have
specific
deformation
for
des
moines,
like
mid-america,
had
laid
out.
H
So
des
moines
is
about
10
percent
of
mid-americans
total
load.
I
think
one
thing:
that's,
if
that's
a
great
question,
I
think
one
okay.
H
Okay,
no,
so
so
the
so
yeah
sorry
so
des
moines
is
about
10
of
mid-americans
load.
You
know
our
study
focused
on
the
entire
state
of
iowa
when
the
utility
builds
any
kind
of
generation.
H
D
H
I
I
I
I
Well,
then,
as
a
whole
has
delivered
over
260
000
projects
and
helped
at
the
bottom,
there
save
customers
and
clients
over
6
400
gigawatt
hours
and
92
million
therms,
which
translates
to
over
5
million
metric
tons
of
greenhouse
gas
emissions
avoided
well.
Dan's
primary
focuses
are
shown
on
the
right
energy
efficiency
and
electrification,
working
with
clients
and
customers
on
solar
plus
storage
opportunities,
carbon
emissions
reductions,
electric
vehicles,
microgrids
and
smart
cities
and
power
resiliency.
I
I
wanted
to
give
a
little
bit
of
context.
I'm
going
to
mostly
talk
about
buildings
and
really
commercial
buildings.
That's
where
my
expertise
lies
and
experience
here
in
des
moines
and
iowa
has
been.
Aa2030
is
an
organization
for
architects
and
they
have
a
mission
also
to
rapidly
transform
the
built
environment
and
achieve
a
carbon
positive,
built
environment.
I
They
do
this
in
a
two-step
process,
the
first
step
being
energy
reductions
during
planning,
design
and
construction,
a
goal
of
getting
buildings
to
use
70
to
80
percent,
less
energy
than
they
were
in
2003,
and
the
second
step
is
getting
to
renewables.
So
how
are
we
doing
as
we
look
at
this
here?
You
will
see
two
states
in
blue
iowa
and
california
is
the
only
two
states
that
are
achieving
greater
than
a
50
energy
use
intensity
reduction
today
towards
that
2030
commitment.
I
If
we
take
it
a
step
further
here
you
can
see.
Iowa
is
the
bottom
bar
there
and
you
can
see
minnesota
and
wisconsin
and
then
nationally
the
two
right
hand
colors
there.
The
12
percent
and
the
26
percent
are
buildings
that
are
achieving
between
60
and
70
energy
savings
and
over
70
percent
energy
savings.
I
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
this
in
steps,
and
the
first
thing
is
to
think
about
reducing
energy
energy
conservation,
that
energy,
that
you
don't
use.
You
don't
have
to
meet
that
with
any
sort
of
generation.
So
for
new
buildings,
you
have
the
opportunity
to
really
think
about
shape
and
volume
and
thermal
mass
and
even
mechanical
concepts
from
there.
Then
you
can
apply
different
scenarios
to
help
meet
that
load
efficiently,
and
this
can
be
done
with
existing
buildings
as
well.
I
Because,
again,
if
we're
going
to
get
to
100
renewable,
we
can't
just
focus
on
new
buildings.
We
have
to
focus
on
existing
as
well
as
you
start
to
do
that
in
efficient
buildings
meet
the
system,
the
hvac,
the
mechanical
systems,
how
you
heat
and
cool
it
becomes
critical,
as
well
as
that
domestic
hot
water.
Those
are
key
areas
where
we
can
move
potentially
from
other
systems
to
carbon
free
generation.
I
In
order
to
do
that,
electrification,
if
you
will
once
you've
done
those
things
and
reduce
that
load
as
much
as
possible,
then
you
can
apply
those
renewable
sources.
Now
mid-american
is
already
generating
a
lot
of
electricity
through
renewable
sources
as
you've
seen
from
there
within
the
building
system,
there
may
be
opportunities
to
do.
You
know
pv
at
the
building
continue
to
work
with
mid-american
energy,
on
that
wind
generation,
maybe
micro
turbines,
fuel
cells
and
then
storage
batteries.
I
Lastly,
though,
as
we
think
about
100
renewable,
we
have
to
remember
that
people
run
these
buildings
and
so
things
like
schedules,
controls
maintenance
become
really
really
important,
but
even
more
so,
as
we
think
about
when
the
wind
may
be
blowing
or
when
the
sun
may
be
shining,
you
have
to
think
about
the
demand
response
of
that
building
and
the
grid
interactions
of
that
building.
It
really
changes
the
way
buildings
will
have
to
be
run
in
order
to
meet
these
resolutions
and
then
benchmarks
as
well
continue
to
track
that
going
forward.
I
So
the
first
step
may
be
efficient
electrification
and
there
is
already
a
lot
of
this
going
on
in
des
moines
and
iowa
heat
pumps,
variable
refrigerant
flow
systems,
heat
pump,
water
heaters
and
even
electrifying
kitchen
equipment,
and
things
like
that.
We'll
have
to
go
all
the
way
there.
In
order
to
achieve
this,
100
renewable,
efficient
electrification
aligns
with
renewables
to
achieve
that
carbon
reduction
and,
in
fact,
25
percent
of
the
commercial
new
construction
projects
today
that
mid-american
energy
help
sponsor
are
all
electric.
I
But
targeting
100
renewable,
not
all
energy
consumption,
is
the
same
anymore.
We
have
to
think
about
shaping
our
energy
use
again.
Capturing
demand
response
that
reshapes
load
profiles,
maybe
through
price
response
or
other
campaigns,
sometimes
with
advanced
notice
of
months
or
days,
but
even
potentially,
just
on
an
hourly
basis
to
align
with
when
that
wind
is
blowing.
When
that
sun
is
shining,
we
then
also
have
to
shift
that
demand
response
to
move
energy
consumption
from
times
of
high
demand
or
low
wind
production.
I
So
turning
off
things
like
lights
or
changing
heating
and
cooling
set
points
at
times
of
peak
demand,
when
maybe
there
is
not
a
lot
of
renewable
generation
available
and
then
that
far
right
hand
one
there
of
shifting
that
load
and
moving
it
from
times.
Maybe
when
the
wind
or
the
sun
isn't
shining
to
times
when
it
was
available
again
reducing
the
need
and
things
of
that
nature
for
batteries.
I
Can
energy
efficiency
be
used
to
shape
the
load
to
achieve
carbon
reduction
and
renewable
energy
goals?
In
short,
can
it
become
a
grid
resource?
So
the
study
conclusions
you
see
on
the
right
hand,
side
there.
Efficient
heating
systems,
such
as
heat
pumps
and
variable
refrigerant
flow
systems,
have
the
greatest
impacts:
electric
resistance
heat,
so
not
all
electrification,
just
moving
to
straight
up
electric
resistance
heat,
for
example,
is
not
the
answer
led
lighting
lighting
controls.
I
I
If
you
look
at
the
graphs
on
the
top
right
hand,
side
there,
you
see
one
where
it's
just
electrifying
vehicles
with
non-managed
charging
and
things
of
this
nature.
So
if
you
just
electrify
the
fleet
and
don't
manage
it,
it
will
cause
problems
with
100.
Renewable
goals
is
often
times
you
may
be
charging
when
that
renewable
energy
is
not
available
or
when
that
renewable
energy
needs
to
be
used
by
buildings
and
other
needs.
I
As
we
think
about
buildings
of
the
future
and
moving
towards
the
goals
of
this
resolution,
they
become
very
interconnected.
So
you
have
the
utility
generating
renewable
energy
feeding
it
to
the
building.
That
building
very
likely
will
have
some
level
of
rooftop
solar
to
supplement
and
then
all
of
the
systems
in
the
building
that
hvac
system
the
lighting
system,
the
plug
loads
occupants.
I
This
is
a
pilot
project
where
there
was
solar,
there
were
batteries,
there
was
conservation
and
the
building
operator
had
to
decide
how
they
were
going
to
use
these
things.
So
you
can
see
here
in
a
summer
day,
they're
charging
the
batteries
in
the
evenings
or
actually
with
the
solar,
sorry
and
then
they're
discharging
those
batteries
in
the
evening
when
that
solar
is
not
available.
This
particular
grid
did
not
have
access
to
the
grid
scale
renewables
of
wind
that
mid-american
produces
so
with
mid-americans.
I
These
graphs
would
change
slightly,
but
you
still
have
the
challenges
of
deciding.
When
are
you
going
to
charge
those
batteries?
When
are
you
going
to
discharge
those
batteries
and
how
does
that
fit
with
the
sun
and
same
things
on
the
winter
day?
It
changes
daily.
In
fact,
it
may
change
even
hourly.
So
again,
as
we
think
about
it,
we
will
have
to
have
very
connected
buildings
so
going
forward
for
the
future.
We
need
to
continue
to
benchmark
buildings.
I
It
really
becomes
the
interact,
the
intersection
of
reliability,
which
mid-american
was
talking
about
and
is
critical
resiliency
economics
and
then
the
environment
reaching
those
greenhouse
gas
emission
reductions
goals.
I
I
I
J
Great
hi,
everyone,
let
me
know
if
my
slides
aren't
visible.
J
J
J
We've
tried
to
as
a
task
force.
We've
tried
to
engage
diverse
perspectives.
One
of
those
that
I'm
going
to
share
with
you
today
is
my
perspective
from
an
industry
within
des
moines.
My
point
of
view
with
clean
energy
from
there
and
there's
so
clean.
J
It's
100,
clean
energy
resolution
provides
a
vision
really
for
des
moines,
where
we
can
be
a
leader
in
iowa,
and
I
think
it's
been
mentioned
that
there's
a
scientific
consensus
that
we
need
to
cut
our
emissions
in
half
by
2030
and
then
to
zero
by
2050,
and
this
is
something
that
business
is
very
much
in
line
with
and
very
in
understanding
that
this
is
a
need
that
we
have
to
transition
to
this
carbon-free
energy
sources
to
lower
our
emissions.
J
J
So
chemin
is
truly
a
a
local
business
based
in
des
moines
iowa,
with
a
global
reach,
there's
twice
as
many
people
on
the
earth.
Now
as
there
was
when
kevin
was
founded
in
1961,
populations
continue
to
grow
and
we
realized
that
we're
on
a
planet
with
limited
resources
so
for
kevin
to
impact
the
quality
of
life
for
80
of
the
world
and
and
to
have
this
as
a
vision,
vision.
It's
imperative
that
we
do
this
sustainably.
J
So
we
were
founded
in
1961,
like
I
said
by
rw
and
mary
nelson.
We
remain
family
owned
and
operated,
and
actually
the
the
parking
lot
of
our
des
moines
on
our
des
moines
campus
is
where
rw's
father
used
to
house
sheep
before
the
business
came
to
be
so.
J
Those
500
ingredients
span
some
different
industries
through
animal
health
and
nutrition,
aquaculture,
pet
food,
human
nutrition
and
health,
food
technologies
and
crop
technologies,
and
even
sustainable
ingredients
for
textiles.
J
J
The
biggest
component
of
this
scorecard
is
our
carbon
footprint.
So
this
is
where,
as
a
business,
we're
beginning
to
measure
what
our
global
emissions
are,
our
next
step
in
this
arena
is
to
set
some
ambitious
targets.
So
this
is
really
an
expectation
within
all
those
industries
that
I
mentioned
that
we
operate
in.
J
So
kevin
has
taken
it
upon
ourselves
to
get
a
head
start
on
this,
and
here
we're
looking
at
the
global
headquarters
of
our
des
moines
campus.
So
we
sit
on
martin
luther
king
and
southeast
18th
street
here
this
is
the
main
headquarter
office
building,
which
is,
is
the
gateway
to
the
rest
of
our
campus.
J
We
are
in
the
process
of
putting
an
on-site
solar
installation
to
power
entirely
this
headquarter
building,
so
it
will
put
we'll
be
powering
9000
square
feet
of
our
office
area
with
completely
with
solar
power,
and
when
the
system
is
complete,
it'll
be
just
over
720
kw,
so
it
represents
one
of
the
biggest,
if
not
the
biggest
or
one
of
the
bigger,
if
not
the
biggest
corporate
installations
in
the
des
moines
area.
J
The
first
phase
is
a
roof
array
that
was
installed
this
summer,
so
there
are
solar
panels
that
completely
fill
the
roof
of
our
office
building
and
then
phase
two
is
just
beginning
now:
they're
starting
to
do
some
site
work
and
some
landscaping,
and
it
will
sit
on
this
green
space.
That's
at
the
corner
of
our
employee
parking
lot
that
prominently
faces
martin
luther
king,
so
it's
in
a
highly
obviously
a
highly
visible
spot
and,
oh
I'm
so
sorry.
J
So
the
the
system-
that's
gonna,
go
on
that
spot
is
a
bi-facial
tracking
system.
So
when
people
are
coming
into
the
des
moines
downtown
area
on
their
way
to
work
in
the
morning,
the
panels
will
be
facing
east
toward
and
then
they'll
follow
the
path
across
the
sky
of
the
sun
and
then,
when
people
are
returning
home
heading
from
downtown
they'll
be
able
to
see
the
panels
facing
that
direction.
So
we're
really
excited
for
this
technology.
Here,
we've
also
been
working
with
a
local
iowa
business.
J
To
be
able
to
do
this,
the
owner's,
a
veteran
and
also
a
city
council,
member
in
fairfield
iowa
they've,
been
great
to
work
with.
We
were
able
to
consider
different
designs
and
technologies
and
tour
other
installations
that
have
been
done
around
iowa
and
see
different
storage,
battery
storage
and
and
other
types
of
infrastructure
that
that
help
bring
solar
to
businesses.
J
So
there
are
some
immediate
project
benefits
that
we're
going
to
see
from
this.
Obviously,
a
reduction
in
our
co2
emissions
and
over
25
years
time,
it'll
be
18
000
metric
tons
that
will
reduce
by
using
this
system
and
really
this
prominent
display
of
our
solar
demonstrates
kevin's
commitment
to
this
clean
energy
transition.
J
There's
also
future
opportunity
here
so
as
we
develop
out
our
strategies
for
that
that
low
carbon
business
model
there's
the
100
clean
energy
resolution
in
des
moines
is
an
obvious
advantage
for
us.
So
this
is
where
the
city
and
our
local
energy
provider
become
our
partner
in
providing
strategies
to
meet
our
emission
goals.
J
J
They
all
have
clean
energy
goals,
and
this
isn't
something
that
is
going
to
go
away.
This
is
something
that
those
people
are
our
customers,
those
you
know
some
of
these
big
names.
Those
are
our
big
customers.
They
have
these
clean
energy
goals
and
the
expectation
is
that
eventually,
other
businesses
that
do
business
with
these
big
big
companies
also
need
to
have
these
goals.
J
So
that's
what
kevin
is
working
toward
right
now,
investing
in
clean
energy
puts
des
moines
ahead
of
the
competition
recording
these
new
businesses
and
businesses
that
are
starting
to
realize
the
importance
of
clean
energy,
and
I
think
it's
already
been
mentioned
that
we
can
join
the
ranks
of
other
midwestern
cities
that
are
already
have
clean
energy
goals.
J
So
that's
all
I
have
for
my
presentation
today.
I
wanted
to
thank
everyone
for
listening,
and
hopefully
you
were
able
to
learn
something.
D
Heather,
first
of
all,
I
appreciate
the
commitment
from
kim
and
industries
and
in
our
city
and
in
the
development
that
you've
done
off
the
mlk
during
the
duratio.
Did
you
have
any
damage
to
your
solar
panels?.
J
Yes,
we
did
so
that
installation
on
the
rooftop
was
complete
during
the
summer
and
then
we
had
the
ratio,
so
the
installation
hasn't
been
hooked
up.
Yet
it
won't
be
hooked
up
until
we
have
the
entire
system
going,
but
we
did
sustain
25
of
the
panels
on
the
roof
which
were
rated
for
100
mile
per
hour.
J
Winds
were
damaged
in
the
duration,
so
that
there's
still
some
repair
going
on
up
there
and
talking
about
how
we're
going
to
prevent
this
from
happening
again,
because
we
do
expect
you
know
an
increase
in
some
of
these
frequent
storms
and
and
how
do
we
build
resilience
into
our
system
to
account
for
that.
So.
D
So
how
are
you
able
to,
I
mean
so
you're
traditionally
using
energy
through
mid-america
right
now
that
that's
that's
what
you
do
right
now
correct.
J
Yes,
that's
what
we
do
right
now.
Okay-
and
one
thing
I
did
want
to
point
out
too-
is
that
you
know,
as
as
we
continue
to
have
these
clean
energy
goals
for
kevin
one.
One
thing
that's
important
to
note.
Some
of
the
strategies
that
jason
shared
with
us
are
strategies
that
we're
going
to
have
to
consider,
because,
even
if
we
put
solar
panels
on
every
available
square
foot
of
our
campus,
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
meet
our
energy
needs
with
clean
energy.
J
D
That
so
how
do
you
so,
if
the
sun's
not
shining,
do
you
have
an
alternative
method?
Are
you
doing
a
lithium
batteries
or
what?
What
exactly
are
you
going
to
do,
or
are
you
just
going
to
do
traditionally,
the
the
wind
energy
that
were
provided
through
through
mid
am.
J
So
we
haven't
got
that
far
yet
into
planning
what
that
strategy,
and
that
scenario
is
going
to
be.
But
these
are
all
those
things
that
you
mentioned
are
going
to
be
considered,
and
some
of
the
things
that
jason
shared
too
are
things
that
I've
been
familiar
with
and
that
we're
familiarizing
ourselves
with
there's
a
lot
of
different
strategies
to
get
to
that
hundred
percent.
Clean
energy.
D
Right,
but
with
for
you
to
operate
your
business
kim
in
what
a
great
company
is
not
you
know
global.
You
need
all
assets
of
energy,
not
just
solar,
not
just
nuclear,
but
we
need
all
forms
of
energy.
I
mean
you
kind
of
said
it
yourself
to
to
make
your
company
run.
J
Well,
I
don't
know
energy's
energy
depending
on
where
it
comes
from
that's
the
choice,
so
I
think
there
are
strategies
that
you
can
make
to
choose,
because
it's
very
important
for
business
to
be
able
to
say
this
was
100
clean
energy.
This
is
from
100
clean
energy
and
the
technologies
are
starting
to
be
there.
Businesses
are
doing
it,
businessing
businesses
all
over
the
globe
are
doing
it.
D
J
J
So
those
are
things
that
are
issues
of
transparency
and
how
we
talk
about
how
our
energy
that
is
produced
that
we
need
to
think
about
on
a
business
level
too,
is
how
do
we?
How
do
we
ethically
talk
about
that
that
that
maybe
our
portion
of
the
energy
is
a
certain
percentage
of
renewables
or
clean
energy,
but
yet
there's
still
coal
plants
producing
emissions,
so
these
are
considerations
that
we
have
to
think
about
and
how
we
talk
about
those
as
we
go
forward.
C
Me
so
we're
finished
with
our
presenters
for
today.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
mayor
and
council
for
continued
discussion
and
and.
D
It
yeah
that
would
be
fine,
I'll
open
it
up
for
our
council
members
and
any
questions
looks
like
josh
has
his
hand
up
go
ahead.
Josh.
M
Thank
you
joe,
and
I
wanted
to
to
first
off
start
by
thanking
all
of
our
presenters
today.
I
think
this
has
been
a
really
helpful
conversation
to
better
understand
some
of
the
context
and
and
the
pathways
forward.
M
M
You
know,
10
or
15
years
ago,
if
you
would
have
asked
a
utility
company
to
produce
the
equivalent
of
90
or
100
of
their
customer
load
with
renewable
energy,
and
do
so
while
keeping
rates
stable,
they
would
have
told
you
that
that
it
was
impossible,
in
fact,
more
likely
than
not.
You
would
have
heard
some
combination
of
concerns
about
affordability
and
reliability
like
we
heard
in
mid-american's
presentation
this
morning,
but
we
have
the
benefit
of
of
history
here
in
in
iowa
and
mid-american
did
it.
M
You
know
they
added
thousands
of
megawatts
of
new
wind
generation
without
significant
rate
increases,
as
they
pointed
out,
and
you
know
I
don't
think
there's
another
utility
that
generates
as
much
energy
in
the
country
from
wind
resources
and
mid-americans
specifically
pointed
out
during
their
presentation
that
they've
got
the
13th
lowest
rates
in
the
country
and
they're
31
percent
below
the
national
average,
while
adding
more
renewable
energy
than
any
other
utility.
M
So
we
know
that
it's
possible
to
to
do
this
and
to
do
more.
You
know
part
of
this.
It's
a
testament
to
the
fact
that
mid-americans
are
well-run
utility,
that
they're
very
capable
of
innovation
and
doing
things
that
others
don't
think
are
possible
and
that's
why
we're
in
this
position
to
talk
about
a
strong,
clean,
clean
electricity
standard
for
the
community
of
des
moines,
and
it's,
I
think,
particularly
important,
that
we'd
be
having
this
conversation
at
this
moment
in
time.
M
I
think
jeremy
did
a
really
good
job
of
laying
out
the
stakes
and
why
action
now
to
address
climate
change
is
particularly
important,
but
there's
another
piece
that
I
think
is
particularly
important
for
for
us
to
act
and
and
to
think
about.
You
know
we're
on
the
verge
of
a
transition
in
administrations
at
the
federal
level
and
we're
gonna
have
an
active
partner
in
addressing
climate
change,
but
that
administration
is
going
to
need
partners
at
the
local
level.
M
M
I
wanted
to
get
into
some
some
questions
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
hoping
would
be
useful
is
to
just
level
set
not
just
among
the
panelists,
but
but
also
the
council
on
just
some
basic
things
that
I
think
we
all
agree
on,
and
I
take
that
sort
of
reading
between
the
lines
and
the
presentations
and
also
from
comments.
My
colleagues
have
said
so
I
don't
want
to
spend
a
ton
of
time.
M
But
if
anyone
disagrees
with
these
things,
I
I'd
hope
they'll
speak
up,
but
I
think
everyone,
panelists
and
and
council
members
agree
that
climate
change
is
real,
that
human
activity
is
a
major
cause
of
climate
change
and
that
we
have
an
urgent
need
to
act
to
address
climate
change,
I'll
pause
for
a
second.
If
anyone
disagrees
with
any
of
those
things,
you
know
I'd
like
you
to
speak
up,
because
I
think
we
need
to
know
that
to
continue
the
conversation
forward.
But
I
think
everyone
agrees.
M
M
M
You
know
kevin.
If
anyone
disagrees
with
that,
please
speak
up
now.
D
Josh,
first
and
foremost,
I
appreciate
I
appreciate
you
putting
everybody
on
the
line
and
asking
for
their
input,
and
I
think
clearly
we
know
where
you
stand
in
this
being.
This
is
your
day
job
your
your
lobbyists,
that
for
environmental
reasons,
and
for
for
that
reason,
josh
I
mean
for
only
an
appearance
of
a
conflict.
D
We
can
look
at
it,
but,
first
of
all,
you
won't
be
writing
any
resolution
that
I'll
be
agreeing
to
just
because
of
the
appearance
of
any
conflict,
not
to
say
that
I
disagree
with
you
in
any
way,
but
you've
got
to
be
very
careful,
you're
walking
a
very
thin
line
and
you're
taking
us
all
as
council
members
and
your
colleagues
down
a
path
where
there's
an
appearance
of
a
conflict,
and
I
think
that
you,
you
need
to
take
a
step
back
and
look
at
that.
This
is
what
you
do.
A
daytime.
M
Joe,
I
I've
also
litigated
cases
on
conflict
of
interest,
and
this
is
a
policy
of
general
applicability
and
right
now
it
we.
We
can
talk
about
that.
You
can
request
an
opinion
we
can
address
that
later,
but
right
now
we
have
panelists
here
and
I'd
like
to
have
the
time
to
have
discussion
and
ask
panelists
questions
so.
D
If
I
could,
I
unders
I
understand
that,
but
and
I'm
not
saying
it's
a
conflict,
I'm
saying
there's
an
appearance
of
a
conflict
similar
when
you
don't
vote
on
the
fifth
project
that
your
cousins
and
you
don't
have
any
you
don't
have
any
money
put
into
it.
But
you
do
not.
Do
you
do
not
vote
on
that
because
of
the
appearance
of
a
conflict?
You
have
that
you
have
that
issue
right
now,
right
now,
as
we
speak
and
as
you're
asking
panelists
questions,
you
have
that
conflict
so.
M
M
D
D
M
D
D
D
D
N
N
I
can
tell
you
you
know
it
looks
like
you've
done
a
great
job,
getting
the
sustainability
people
to
send
us
lots
of
emails
to
support
a
hundred
percent.
I
can
tell
you
right
now:
I
am
not
going
to
support
the
resolution
that
you
brought
through
and
I
want
to
continue
to
work
with
mid-american
and
as
our
partner
and
working
together
to
to
make
our
city
more
energy
wise,
but
I'm
not
going
to
vote
on
a
on
on
the
resolution
as
it's
written.
N
M
M
M
And
mid-american,
you
know
the
100
renewable
vision,
I
think,
is
an
important
step
forward.
But
I
I
want
to
understand
mid-american
is
on
track
and
could
achieve
that
vision
without
retiring.
A
single
one
of
those
call
units
is
that
correct.
G
Yes,
councilman
100
renewable
vision
is
a
wreck-based
approach,
which
is,
I
think,
rex,
have
done
a
great
deal
to
advance
the
deployment
of
renewables
but
you're
correct
it's
a
wreck-based
approach
and
that
100
would
be
mid-american
generating
as
much
renewable
energy
each
year
as
our
customers
use.
M
Yeah
and
we're
on
track
to
meet
that
in
the
next
few
years,
right
it
looked
like
2021
we're
going
to
be
90
of
the
way
there
from
this
breath-based
approach
and
you've
had
other
customers,
notably
google,
who
set
a
100
renewable
vision
and
then,
when
they
achieve
that
quicker
and
for
less,
I
think
money
than
they
anticipated.
M
They
recently
took
the
next
step
and
and
set
a
24
7
100
percent,
clean
energy
approach,
and
so
they're
in
your
broader
customer
base
right.
So
we
wouldn't
be
the
first
first
entity
in
your
customer
base
to
set
this
type
of
goal.
Is
that
correct.
E
So
so
josh,
I'm
gonna.
This
is
katherine,
I'm
gonna
step
in
here
and
partner
with
mike
on
this
response.
So
google
has
their
own
formulas
and
their
own
way
to
get
to
where
they're
going
so
for
us
to
dissect
and
go
into
how
they
are
going
to
accomplish
it,
and
the
methodologies
and
formulas
that
they
use
you'd
have
to
have
that
conversation
with
them.
M
E
I
will
tell
you
josh
is
that
they
are
incredibly
focused
as
well
on
affordability
and
reliability,
and
there
is
no
industry
that
is
more
impacted
by
all
three
legs
of
the
stool.
So
I
think
for
the
conversation
that
you're
trying
to
drive
to
right
now,
you
best
contact
google
on
their
environmental
piece,
but
they're.
The
three-legged
stool
fits
them
they're.
A
perfect
example
of
that.
D
D
Just
let
me
just
jump
in
so
I
mean.
Obviously
you
want.
You
want
panelists
input
and
things
like
that,
but
this
isn't
this
isn't
a
call
or
something
to
call
out
mid-america
energy
about
their
coal
fire
plants
that
aren't
even
in
the
city
of
des
moines,
that
you
know
we
have
no
control
over
whatsoever,
and
so
I
mean
go
ahead
and
continue
your
conversation,
but
we're
not
gonna
discuss
coal
fire
plants.
That's
not
that
shouldn't
be
part
of
our
resolution
or
anything
about
what
we
want
to
do
in
the
city
of
des
moines.
M
We
we
are
served
by
coal
generation
and
that's
part
of
this
broader
discussion,
but
I've
got
a
couple
just
a
couple,
more
questions
that.
F
M
F
M
And
you
know
I
I
hope
that
you
know
mid-american
was
the
only
one
of
the
panelists
that
didn't
provide
their
presentation
in
advance.
So
I
can't
dig
in
on
questions
in
terms
of
the
way
they
presented
the
the
cost
exactly.
But
what
it
looked
to
me
like
was
that's
sort
of
a
go.
It
alone
model
for
des
moines,
essentially
the
municipalization
model
of
achieving
this
clean
energy
goal,
and
it
it
provides
sort
of
a
ceiling
level
of
cost
there.
G
Like
if
I
could
let
me
first
start
with
the
initialization
on
that.
G
Sorry
yeah
we
we
we
we
can.
We
are
committed
to
continually
advancing
all
three
legs
of
that
stool,
including
the
sustainability
piece.
We've
come
a
long
way,
but
we're
we're
not
stopping
where
we're
at.
We
do
plan
to
continue
to
advance
our
sustainability
measurements.
F
M
So
would
you
commit
to
developing
public
emission
reduction
goals
and
a
timeline
for
for
how
to
meet
them?.
M
Sure
I
I
I
was
asking,
if
you
would,
if
mid-american
as
a
company,
would
be
willing
working
with
us
as
we're
trying
to
to
meet
develop
a
climate
action
plan,
if
mid-american
as
a
company
would
be
willing
to
to
set
emission
reduction
goals
and
a
specific
timeline
to
meet
them.
E
So
josh
what
we're
committed
to-
and
I
think
we've
made
it
very
clear-
is
that
you
know
other
utilities
have
made
some
really
unrealistic
and
unenforceable
public
statements
and
we're
already
ahead
of
them
without
mandates,
and
we
intend
to
get
to
carbon
free
before
they
do,
and
I
think
our
statement
stands.
We
are
ready
and
willing
to
sit
at
the
table
with
you
to
continue
to
work
together.
E
M
So
I
I
just
wanted
to
pull
out
what
you
said,
because
I
think
you
said
that
mid-americans
committed
to
getting
to
carbon-free
before
other
utilities,
so
so
that
that's
that's
at
least
a
goal
which
I'm
appreciative
of
in
terms
of
the
process
of
getting
to
the
table.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
the
task
force
on
sustainability.
M
They
had
a
panel
last
week
and
they
had
someone
from
salt
lake
city,
which
I
think
has
a
sister
utility
of
mid-american
rocky
mountain
power,
and
that
person
was
talking
about
the
importance
of
the
resource
planning
process
in
getting
low
low-cost
estimates
in.
In
all
of
this,
they
particularly
pointed
out
that
when
there
was
that
that
resource
planning
process
that
really
dug
in
on
cost
of
resources,
cost
of
renewables,
it
actually
led
to
more
retirements
of
fossil
generation
and
more
renewable
generation
being
built.
M
M
Alliant,
energy
and
the
other
side
of
the
state
recently
did
a
voluntary
resource
planning
process
to
engage
stakeholders
and
allow
for
exchange
of
information,
and
that
led
to
an
announcement
of
a
retirement
of
a
coal
plant
and
the
addition
of
solar,
and
I
was
wondering
if
mid-american
would
commit
to
a
similar
voluntary
resource
planning
process
with
stakeholders
like
the
office
of
consumer
advocate
and
others
having
the
ability
to
because
the
consumer
advocate
is
laser.
Focused
on
the
affordability
piece.
M
D
G
Councilman,
I
I,
I
think,
the
process
that
the
state
of
iowa
uses
and-
and
I
appreciate
you
acknowledging
this
earlier-
has
resulted
in
some
pretty
incredible
transformation
of
the
way
energy
is
generated
in
iowa.
K
Thank
you
mayor
pro
tem.
I
had
a
question.
This
is
for
for
mid-american
again
trying
to
understand
the
myso.
Am
I
pronouncing
that
correctly,
the
myso
agreement,
and
is
there
any?
Could
you
take
a
swag
like
how
many
days
of
the
year
that
that
either
of
the
two
iowa
coal-fired
plants
are
actually
online.
G
I
don't
I
I
don't
have
that
information
in
front
of
me.
I'm
sorry
that
sound.
K
Are
they?
Are
they
pick
planes
sort
of
a
a
backup
role?
I
might
not
have
used
the
correct
term
but
correct
they
have
days
of
the
year
that
they're
not
actually
actually
operating
right.
G
Typically,
yes,
typically,
they
are
there
to
provide
that
reliability,
leg
of
the
stool
and
so
when
they're
not
needed,
we
do
not
operate
them
just
for
the
sake
of
operating
them.
They're
there
for
reliability.
K
For
the
regional
agreements,
that's
a
federal
plan.
You
actually
have
to
have
those
right
as
part
of
your
as
as
part
of
being
a
regional
player.
O
O
If
there
truly
does
get
something
passed
and
the
money
starts
coming,
I
guess
that's
kind
of
a
question
for
everybody
who
would
would
that
infrastructure
incentive
help
move
to
get
the
coal
plant
shut
down
faster
and
get
into
other
technology
faster
if
there
truly
are
dollars
to
reinvest
in
infrastructure?
G
I
think
there
are
some
technologies
that,
depending
on
on
how
they're
incented,
there
are
a
lot
of
promising
technologies
out
there.
Obviously
a
lot
of
research
and
development
going
into
ways
to
provide
that
reliability,
that
that
result
in
no
emissions-
and
I
think
you
know,
depending
on
how
those
incentives
are
laid
out,
it
could
stimulate
the
maturity
of
some
of
those
different
technologies.
C
Yeah-
and
this
is
jeremy
as
well,
so
certainly
any
incentives
coming
from
the
federal
level
or
any
grant
dollars
funneled
through,
for
instance,
iowa
economic
development
authority
in
their
energy
office
would
certainly
help
provide
a
potential
funding
mechanism
for
implementing
a
number
of
these
solutions.
C
I
think
wildann
brought
up
the
good
point
that
this
is
an
effort.
That's
going
to
require
us
to
look
at
things
everywhere,
from
energy
efficiency,
to
building
electrification
into
grid
tied
buildings
both
for
new
buildings
and
existing
infrastructure,
and
so
once
you
are
able
to
drive
down
that
demand
for
energy.
With
those
efforts
you
you
have
less
energy
that
you
need
to
produce
out
of
renewables,
so
there's
a
balance
to
it
and
any
potential
infrastructure.
Investment
from
the
federal
level
would
certainly
help
to
offset
the
cost
of
those
improvements
and
make
them
more
affordable.
O
So
I
guess
it
goes
back
to
if,
if
des
moines
does
do
a
resolution
of
some
sort,
then
we
should
probably
look
at
what
the
national
one
is
to
weather.
So
it's
I
think
we
said
2030
or
2035
so
to
me
or
some
of
that,
because
it
would
be
you
know,
with
going
forward.
We
have
four
years
of
an
administration,
that's
very
supportive,
so
that
would
be
a
big
boost.
I
think
for
what
everybody's
trying
to
accomplish.
C
Yeah-
and
this
is
jeremy
again,
I'd-
also
point
you
back
to
the
presentation
I
made
a
few
weeks
ago
on
the
climate
action
and
adaptation
planning
process.
I
mentioned
in
there
that
the
credit
rating
agencies,
the
bond
rating
agencies,
are
also
increasing
their
focus
on
sustainability,
planning,
resilience
planning
and
renewable
energy,
and
so
you're
going
to
see
downward
pressure
from
that
side
from
the
market
itself,
driving
cities
towards
adopting
more
sustainability
and
climate,
more
aggressive
climate
goals,
as
they
move
forward.
O
L
Thanks
joe,
as
we've
got
quite
a
bit
of
information
given
to
us
this
morning,
it's
quite
a
mouthful
to
to
take
in
one
sitting,
I'm
anxious
to
to
see
us
move
forward
on
this,
but
I'm
especially
glad
to
have
a
partner
in
mid-american
energy.
L
They
have
taken
so
much
leadership
on
this
before
we
even
started
talking
about
it.
L
I
I
share
the
great
rapport
with
mid-american
they've
done
wonders
throughout
the
des
moines
area,
and
I
really
sense
a
great
partnership
in
the
making
here
and
I'm
just
anxious
to
start
working
to
go
forward,
meet
our
mutual
goals
and
get
it
done
in
a
manner
that's
going
to
be
beneficial
for
all
the
citizens
in
the
city
of
des
moines.
So
I
want
to
thank
everybody
in
here.
I've
I've
learned
a
lot
and
I
want
to
continue
to
learn.
So
it's
been
a
great
session
for
me.
Thank
you,
sir.
D
Thank
you
real
quick.
I
got
a
couple
questions
that
I
had
jotted
down:
jeremy
right
at
the
beginning.
Your
first
slide.
You
talked
about
the
res
resident
survey.
D
Could
can
you
give
me
some
comparison,
or
can
you
go
go
to
the
slides
that
that
kind
of
show,
the
survey
of
where
you
know
the
the
progress
in
clean
energy
compares
to
neighborhood
improvements
and,
and
things
like
that
that
that
that
we're
focused
on
and
where
we
compare
to
other
similar
cities
that
I
know
that
that
survey
that
we
looked
at
last
last
work
session
was
on.
C
Yeah
you'll
have
to
give
me
a
second
to
pull
up
the
city
website,
so
I
can
show
it
to
you
and
you're
correct.
That
is
the
resident
survey
that
we
had
a
workshop
on
last
week,
and
so
those
numbers
come
directly
out
of
that
presentation.
So
and.
D
What
kind
of
batteries
are
these
that
we
have
to
go
to
a
backup
of
some
sort
and
talk
to
me
a
little
bit
about
natural
gas
and
how
that's
a
hundred
percent
renewable
energy
and
where
that
puts
every
constituent
that
we
have,
that
has
a
furnace.
What
does
that
do
for
them
and
how's
their
changes
need
to
be
by
2035.
G
On
the
so
thank
you
councilman
on
the
battery
piece.
There
are
a
lot
of
different
battery
technologies
out
there.
Lithium-Ion
is
the
most
popular
one,
but
there
are
other
technologies
and
they
address.
They
address
aspects
of
being
100
renewable
that
are
important
but
part
of
the
the
more
technical
piece
that
makes
it
difficult
to
look
at
this
on
just
an
energy
basis.
G
You
know
it's
that
final
step
to
get
to
100
renewable
on
an
hourly
basis,
but
for
the
most
part,
the
the
battery
that
we
have
installed
installed
at
knoxville
is
a
lithium-ion
battery.
It
has
two
what
essentially
look
like
shipping
containers
and
inside
of
the
the
shipping
containers
are
a
whole
series
of
small
battery
cells
that,
when
they're
all
connected
together,
provide
the
the
four
megawatt
hours
and
one
megawatt
of
power
that
they
were
designed
to
provide.
G
G
Approximately
10
years
batteries
are
the
type
of
thing
where
there's
a
whole
series
of
small
cells
inside
of
those
containers,
and
so
after
year,
10
or
so
you
start
just
gradually
replacing,
maybe
a
tenth
of
the
battery
with
new
battery
and
over
over
the
course
of
about
10
years.
After
that,
you
would
have
replaced
the
entire
battery.
G
D
G
The
the
100
percent
that
we
presented
on
today
really
just
has
to
do
with
the
electric
supply,
which
also
relies
on
natural
gas
in
the
winter.
G
The
winter
is
one
of
the
challenging
times
for
renewables
here
in
iowa,
just
because
it's
difficult
for
solar
to
contribute
a
lot
of
the
a
lot.
We
have
a
lot
of
short
short
days,
obviously,
but
also
overcast
days,
and
so
you
know,
having
having
a
little
bit
of
access
to
natural
gas
to
offset
batteries
is
something
that
a
lot
of
other
jurisdictions
are
looking
at,
maybe
not
going
to
100
emission
free,
but
but
allowing
some
natural
gas
generation
just
to
avoid
the
need
to
purchase
such
a
large
amount
of
energy
storage.
C
O
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
give
a
comment.
I
think
we
all
know
that
we
need
to
do
more
and
we
need
to
do
it
faster.
I
think
it's
pretty
well
proven.
Maybe
we
don't
know,
but
I
think
from
what
jeremy
has
brought
up,
that
we
in
the
city
had
made
commitments
and
really
haven't
updated
it.
So
in
some
form
we
need
to
probably
update
and
get
more
current
as
to
what
our
goals
of
the
city
are,
and
I
would
be
supportive
of
looking
at
what
we
bring
forward.
O
I
don't
know
if
it'll
be
exactly
what
the
original
resolution
was,
but
I
do
know
that
we
have
to
work
with
our
partners.
Our
partner
mid-american
has
worked
tirelessly.
I
think
two
to
work
towards
it
and
it's
just.
How
do
we
get
it
to
the
time
frame
that
we
feel
is
essential
to
bring
about
the
energy
conservation
that
we
need
and
to
really
help
make
it
more
acceptable
for
what
we
need
to
do
in
today's
world?
C
All
right,
so
this
is
the
executive
summary
of
that
recent
survey.
You
can
see
here
it
the
the
beginning
of
that
executive
summary
touches
on
the
goals
that
were
developed
as
part
of
the
guide,
dsm
process
and
under
that
second
goal
here
of
being
a
sustainable
community.
C
In
summary,
the
the
highest
level
of
agreement
we're
on
the
statements
related
to
whether
the
city
is
a
good
place
to
live
and
whether
people
like
the
neighborhoods
that
they
they
live
in
and
then
the
respondents
least
agreed
with
the
following
statement.
The
city
has
improved
its
greenhouse
gas
emissions
with
only
34
percent
in
agreement
on
that,
and
there
is
detail
further
down
in
the
rest
of
the
report
that
speaks
to
that
on
this
page
10
here.
C
So
I'll,
give
you
a
few
minutes
to
look
at
that
or
ask
any
questions
on
that.
If
you
have
them.
A
Councilman
gatto:
this
is
scott.
Yes
manager
sanders.
I
you
one
of
your
other
questions
is:
how
does
this
compare
we'll
have
to
ask,
etc?
D
Okay,
I
believe
that's
all
I
have
I.
I
know
that
it's
important
to
make
sure
that
we
have
affordable,
not
only
affordable
but
reliable
energy
for
our
constituents
and
some
of
the
numbers
that
mid-america
had
showed
us
for
not
only
a
residence
but
a
but
a
small
business,
or
even
a
large
business
if
we're
going
to
change
their,
how
much
they
pay
on
energy.
D
The
way
that
the
way
that
it
showed
by
going
to
the
100
renewable
energy,
whatever
that
looks
like,
I
believe
that
we
better
take
a
close
look
at
that
and
make
sure
that
that
we're
doing
the
right
things
not
only
for
our
environment
first
and
foremost,
but
but
also
for
every
one
of
our
constituents
in
the
city
of
des
moines,
not
not
not
the
state
but
the
people
that
we
represent
directly
and
that's
who
has
elected
us,
and
I
I
think
that
we
need
to
remember
that.
D
A
D
D
A
I
would
ask
council
if
they
want
the
city
manager's
office,
to
take
the
lead
in
the
aspects
of
any
type
of
resolution
that
would
come
out
of
the
conversations,
and
that
way
we
I
you
can
give
your
input
through
me.
I
can
sit
down
with
mid-american
energy
and
determine
kind
of
what
what
aspects
of
the
resolution
has
have.
Consensus
with
with
the
council.
Is
that
something
that.
D
Well,
either
that
scott,
when
we
did
the
guide
dsm-
and
I
was
originally
part
of
that
through
our
you
know-
priorities
when
we
put
that
all
together.
D
During
a
a
similar,
all-day,
quarterly
work
session
that
we
all
kind
of
sat
down
and
lila
came
in
and
that
that's
where
that's,
where
some
of
that
comes
from-
and
you
know
we
don't
know-
you
know,
josh-
might
know
what
the
biden
climate
plan
is,
because
this
is
his
job.
This
is
what
he
does
every
single
day.
A
lot
of
us
don't
have
that
information,
so
I
think
it's
first
and
foremost,
we.
M
D
M
M
I
wanted,
and
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
I
you
know
the
the
action
that
council
passed
was
to
bring
to
have
the
city
manager
like
you
suggested
scott.
The
city
manager
would
bring
a
final
resolution
by
our
second
meeting
in
december.
D
N
Joe
this
is
linda,
and
I
would
like
to
add
that
you
know
when
we
passed
the
benchmarking
ordinance.
It
was
to
help
our
partners.
It
said
we're
going
to
help
people
determine
what
they
can
do
better
and
now
we've
implemented
additional
fines,
so
there's
a
big
difference
between
finding
people
and
and
helping
people.
D
Thank
you,
linda
scott.
It
sounds
like
that.
Most
of
us
are
in
agreement
that
we
would
turn
this
over
to
you
and
have
that.
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
put
a
time
frame
on
it.
That
has
to
be
done
by
the
end
of
the
year.
I
would
like
to
see
the
biden
administration
get
in
there
and
actually
see
what
their
what
their
plan
is
other
than
a
campaign
plan.
I
I
don't
think
we
should
be
going
off
any.
D
You
know
general
campaign
campaign
plan,
that's
on
a
website,
let's
see
once
his
administration
gets
in
there
once
his
cabinet
members
gets
in
there
and
what
his
priorities
are
going
to
be
set
at
nationally
and
see
what
type
of
national
funding
that
we
can
get
for
our
partners.
So
we
can
become
better
at
this.
We
all
want
to
be
better
at
this.
D
We
need
to
be
conscious
of
what
we're
doing
and
how
we're
doing
it
and
we
need
more
support
than
just
the
des
moines
city
council
passing
a
resolution,
and
I
think
we
just
need
to
be
very
careful
about
passing
resolutions
just
to
say
that
we
did
something
because
council
members
need
to
have
this
done
and
and
want
to
have
this
done
for
for
other
uses.
So
you
know
what
we
we've
got.
We've
got
a
do.
We
have
closed
session
today,
scott.
A
Jeff,
are
you
on?
I
think
he
is
I
I
do
not
believe
we
do.
A
D
So
we
have,
we
have
a
council
meeting
at
4
30
today.
I
think
we
had
some
great
discussions
today
again.
Thank
you
all
the
panelists
that
have
participated
in
it
and
sure
appreciate
all
the
great
information
that
was
given
on
on
both
sides
and
thanks
to
my
colleagues
for
for
always
a
spirited
conversation
and
we'll
see
everybody
at
4,
30.