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From YouTube: 12-17-20 Plan and Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan and Zoning Commission meeting via teleconference on Thursday, December 17, 2020.
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Tell
them
to
planning
at
dmgov.org,
so
a
staff
host
may
be
able
to
share
them
on
the
screen.
When
you
present
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes,
staff
has
attempted
to
compile
a
list
of
people
who
would
like
to
speak
on
each
item.
Staff
will
first
call
on
these
people
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
to
anyone
else.
Who
wishes
to
speak
to
request
to
speak
during
the
hearing.
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Please
use
the
raise
hand
function
on
zoom
on
the
internet
or
dial
star
9
on
your
phone
once
permission
to
speak
is
given
to
unmute
and
mute
dial.
Star
6
on
your
phone
you'll
be
required
to
give
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
prior
to
speaking.
Also,
we
ask
that
you
keep
your
microphones
and
phones
on
mute
unless
you've
been
given
the
chance
to
address
the
commission
by
the
chair.
The
applicant
is,
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
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If
no
one
in
the
audience
wants
to
hear
them
or
no
objections,
I
should
say
and
noah
and
and
if
no
one
on
the
commission
wants
to
hear
them
and
we're
going
to
start
with
item
number
five
requests
from
james
andrew
and
nancy
albright.
Andrew
for
the
following
regarding
the
property
of
3
900
southeast
34th
street.
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Hold
on
a
second
represented
by
dan
cruz
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
in
accordance
with
chapter
135
sections,
135-9.2.4.b
and
135-9.3.1.b
for
property,
located
at
5702
woolcott
cot
circle
to
allow
the
construction
of
a
house
type
a.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
objects?
Moving
this
to
consent,
please
raise
your
hand
or
star
nine
on
your
phone.
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Okay,
now
we
will
go
to
item
number
seven.
It's
been
suggested.
This
can
be
moved
to
consent.
Item
number,
seven
requests
from
february,
30th
properties,
doing
business
at
south
des
moines,
vet
center,
represented
by
jeremy
beyer
for
the
following
regarding
the
property
at
601,
army,
post,
road
and
6302
southwest
6th
street,
the
subject
property
title
title
holders
are
joseph
and
deborah
madonia.
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Thank
you,
tyler.
We
have
a
couple
items
that
have
been
asked
to
be
continued
to
the
january
meeting.
The
first
one
is
item
number
one
request
from
wesley
retirement
services
represented
by
rob
kretzinger
for
review
and
approval
of
an
amendment
to
wesley
aker's
pud
conceptual
plan.
Bert,
do
you
want
to
say
anything.
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H
Yes,
madam
chair,
the
we
got
some
recent
information
from
the
applicant
that
had
been
asked
for
by
the
zoning
enforcement
officer.
The
zoning
enforcement
officer
is
asking
for
additional
time
to
basically
go
through
that
information
and
weigh
it
against
state
and
federal
regulations,
and
so
she's
she's
asking
for
continuance
and
the
oh.
The
owner
applicant,
is
in
agreement
with
that,
after
speaking
with
him
this
afternoon.
So.
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Yes,
madam
chair,
so
we
should
clarify
for
everybody.
That's
in
the
this
is
eric
lundy
senior
city,
planner
items,
one
five,
six
and
nine
will
not
be
considered
any
further
at
this
point.
So
if
anybody's
here
for
one
five,
six
or
nine,
they
will
not
be
taking
up
taken
up
this
evening.
Okay
they've
already
been
dispensed
or
they
will
will
not
be
taken
out.
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Staff
is,
I
think,
we've
been
consistent
with
these
based
on
move
dsm
and
trap.
Indirection
from
traffic
engineering
staff
is
recommending
denial
of
the
requested
type
2
design
alternative
to
wave
the
sidewalk.
We
don't
believe,
there's
a
practical
difficulty
in
this
case
and
we're
again
looking
to
further
the
priorities
of
the
move,
dsm
plan,
which
is
adopted
by
city
council.
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J
Okay,
the
the
reason
why
I
quite
requested
to
talk
to
you
guys
about
this
here.
You
know
I
understand
about
the
whole
move
to
des
moines
master
plan
for
transportation
and
I
think
it's
it's
a
very
good
plan,
very
good
thing
that
is
happening
in
des
moines,
so
I
am
definitely
not
opposed
to
that.
I'm
a
big
bicyclist!
I
really
love
the
bicyclist
part
of
that.
Can
you
guys
still
hear
me
uh-huh?
Yes,
okay,
yeah!
J
Okay,
so
yeah,
so
so
the
move
des
moines-
I
I'm
totally
down
with
that.
I
I,
I
think,
that's
a
great
plan
and
it's
a
great
thing
that
once
it
gets
done,
it's
gonna
be
fantastic
for
the
city
of
des
moines
and
then
my
other.
You
know
my
concern
is
not
not
about
financial
either,
because
this
sidewalk
is
really
only
going
to
cost
me
around
700
750
dollars.
So
it's
not
a
financial
thing
on
my
end
or
it's
not
me
opposing
the
whole
move
des
moines
master
transportation
plan.
J
So
my
concern
is
just
with
a
couple
of
things.
One
is
with
the
consistency
of
something
like
this.
You
know
I
mean
there's
been
a
lot
of
new
zoning
laws
passed
to
the
city
of
des
moines
and
you
know
I'm
adapting
to
them
as
best
as
I
can
to
make
houses
in
accordance
to
the
new
zoning
laws,
and
one
of
the
big
things
I
keep
on
getting
told
is
that
you
know
you
guys
want
houses
that
and
neighborhoods
that
are
consistent
with
other
houses
in
the
neighborhood
I
mean
you
guys.
J
Now
with
move
des
moines,
it's
a
25-year
plan,
so
you
know
low-level
priority
on
a
25-year
plan.
I'm
thinking
that
it's
going
to
be
quite
some
time
before
this
neighborhood
sees
any
sidewalks
being
installed
by
the
city.
You
know
so
you
know
by
the
time
that
happens.
You're
gonna
have
all
these
brand
new
sidewalks,
and
then
you
have
this
one
sidewalk
here.
That
is,
you
know,
maybe
15
20
years
old,
and
I
just
you
know
I
I
don't
know,
maybe
that's
what
you
guys
want
to
have,
but
I
mean
I
don't.
J
I
don't
think
that's
really.
You
know
what
you
guys
vision
is,
but
maybe
it
is
I
mean
you
know,
that's
why
I
want
to
get
some.
You
know
feedback
and
get
my
concerns
out
to
you
guys
on
something
like
this
is
just
you
know
how
the
overall
timing
of
this-
and
the
look
of
this
is
going
to
you
know
happen
with
the
city
of
des
moines
on
on
a
house
like
this,
where
it's
going
to
be
quite
some
time
before
other
sidewalks
get
put
in.
You
know
to
me.
J
I
think
it
makes
a
lot
more
sense
to
forego
this
one,
because
it's
not
really
a
gap.
You
know
I
mean
there's
no
other
sidewalks
even
close
to
this,
so
I
wouldn't
really
define
this
as
a
as
filling
a
gap
with
this
one
sidewalk
here
this
50
foot
sidewalk
here
so
to
me.
I
think
it's
something
that
you
know
could
be
flexible
on
this
here
and
leave
this
to
have
sidewalks
installed
whenever
all
the
rest
of
the
sidewalks
get
installed
in
the
city.
So
that's
that's.
J
What
I'm
asking
you
guys
here
is
just
to
have
some
flexibility
on
this
here.
You
know
because
that's
what
it
says
on
the
you
know
page
one
of
the
move
des
moines
paperwork.
It
says
that
you
know
it's
not
a
rigid
plan.
So
that's
what
it
says
about
mood
des
moines.
That's
not
a
rigid
plan,
so
I'm
asking
maybe
for
some
flexibility
here,
because
I
think
that
would
be
the
best
thing
for
this.
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M
All
right,
this
is
francis
here
speaking
and
obviously-
and
I,
as
you
said,
this
is
a
common
issue
that
has
come
up
and,
and
my
point
of
view
is,
I
don't
know
if
anyone
wants
to
agree
with
me.
I
think
that
expecting
him
to
put
in
a
sidewalk
that
may
be
a
couple
of
decades
when
his
neighbors
put
in
sidewalks.
M
M
L
L
I
support
getting
sidewalks
in
all
of
des
moines
as
much
as
it
is
possible,
and
so
I'm
really
split
on
this
because
I
do
feel
like
there's,
there's
no
other
impediments
to
putting
a
sidewalk
in
here,
but
I
do
agree
with
francis
that
it
does
seem
a
little
silly
to
ask
somebody
to
put
in
a
sidewalk
where
there
may
not
be
sidewalks
for
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood
for
10
20
years.
So
again,
I
guess
I
I'm
hoping
for
some
further
resolution
from
the
sidewalk
committee
and
beyond
that.
N
N
O
Hey
jan,
this
is
rocky.
I
think
johnny
makes
a
good
point,
my
hope,
as
a
commission
and
as
a
board
that
we
stay
consistent
until
the
committee
has
an
opportunity
to
get
together
and
make
a
recommendation
and
we
agree
as
a
whole.
I
would
hate
to
see
that
you
know
one
meeting
where
we're
with
the
applicant
in
the
next
meeting,
we're
with
staff
and
we're
inconsistent
in
what
we
do.
Thank
you.
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K
Yes,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
bert
drost
planner
for
the
city
of
des
moines.
The
item
before
you
has
two
parts.
The
first
part
a
is
approval
of
the
preliminary
plat,
which
would
allow
creation
of
the
4.609
acre
parcel
for
the
stadium
and
then
part
b
is
the
site
plan
and
they
have
requested
three
type:
two
design
alternatives
to
that
site
plan
for
the
stadium.
K
K
This
map
here
is
still
showing
the
previous
zoning
districts.
They
haven't
been
updated
since
that
was
rezoned
a
week
ago
today,
and
also
this
project
went
to
the
board
of
adjustment
yesterday
and
obtained
the
conditional
use
approval
for
a
assembling
entertainment
use
in
the
p2
district,
so
the
use
has
already
been
established
so
tonight
the
board
or
the
commission
is
just
charged
with
determining
whether
they
meet
the
criteria
needed
to
grant
the
three
type
two
design
alternatives
for
the
site
plan.
So
the
site
plan
is
about
30
pages
long.
K
So
I'm
just
going
to
show
you
the
I
guess,
the
most
critical
sheets
this
layout
here
shows
how
the
stadium
would
be
placed
on
the
property,
and
this
is
also
a
good
demonstration
of
two
of
the
three
type
two
design
alternatives
needed,
the
first
being
that
they're
exceeding
the
70
impervious,
which
means
they're,
paving
or
putting
structures
over
70
more
than
70
percent
of
the
land.
The
p2
district
requires
properties
to
provide
approximately
30
open
space,
but
in
this
case
they
are
not
able
to
achieve
that.
K
Just
given
the
site
constraints
and
also
the
fact
that
the
artificial
turf
is
considered
an
impervious
surface,
because
there
is
a
membrane
underneath
that
collects
the
storm
water,
and
this
also
shows
the
second
design
alternative
needed,
which
is
setbacks.
So
if
you
look
here
at
the
northeast
corner,
they
they're
not
providing
the
minimum
required.
15-Foot
setbacks
from
property
lines
and
I
believe,
there's
some
ticket
booths
around
the
perimeter
that
aren't
meeting
setbacks
as
well.
K
In
this
zoning
district,
they're
required
to
build
their
stadium
as
a
civic
building
type,
which
requires
the
build
the
building
to
have
12
transparency,
which
in
this
case
it
was
hard
to
meet
that
12
transparency,
which
is
window
space
just
given
the
nature
of
the
stadium-
and
it's
not
really,
I
guess-
wouldn't
be
functional
to
put
windows
on
the
backsides
of
the
bleachers
or
whatnot.
So
those
are
the
three
design
alternatives
that
are
requested.
K
Also
in
your
packet
was
the
staff
recommendation
and
the
staff
recommendation
contains
the
criteria
that
the
commission
must
base
its
decision
on
tonight.
I
know
if
you,
when
you
hear
from
neighbors,
you
might
hear
concerns
about
this.
Isn't
the
right
thing
for
the
des
moines
public
schools
to
do
and
whatnot,
but
that's
really
not
some
anything
you
can
base
your
decision
on.
The
decision
has
to
be
based
on
the
criteria
established
in
the
city
code.
K
So,
as
I've
alluded
to,
our
recommendation
is
for
approval
of
part
a
which
is
the
plat
and
then
part
b,
which
is
approval
of
the
site
plan,
and
the
site
plan
would
just
have
two
conditions
recommended
by
staff.
The
first
being
that
it
must
be
in
compliance
with
all
administrative
review,
comments
from
the
permit
and
development
center
and
then
two.
K
They
need
to
provide
a
shared
parking
agreement
in
accordance
with
section
135-6.5.4
of
the
city
code,
in
order
to
provide
the
minimum
number
of
required
off
street
parking
spaces
and
really
number
two
would
go
without
saying.
But
we
were
just
putting
it
in
there
for
assurance
that
they
do
know
they
need
to
comply
with
our
requirements
for
off
street
parking.
A
K
N
K
That's
exactly
right:
okay,
the
yeah
the
agreement
would
have
since
they
would
be
using
parking.
The
stadiums
owned
by
the
des
moines
public
schools
and
the
parking
lots
are
owned
by
drake
university,
so
that
parking
agreement
is
needed
to
ensure
that
those
spaces
will
always
be
provided
even
if
drake
would
sell
the
lot.
K
P
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
commission.
This
is
matt
cohen,
with
rdg
planning
and
design
301
grand
avenue,
I'm
the
project
manager
on
the
project.
There
are
representatives
from
des
moines,
public
schools
and
drake
on
the
line
as
well,
and
they
are
bill
good
and
daryl
giersdorf
from
dmps
and
michelle
huggins
and
ryan
arnold
from
drake
university.
P
We
also
have
the
landscape
architect
from
rdg
as
well,
and
that's
jason
bloom
on
the
call.
So
we
want
to
just
highlight
a
few
points
and
bert,
I
think
I'll.
Have
you
pull
up
that
slide?
36
again,
so
we
just
wanted
to
highlight
these
few
points
related
to
the
specific
items
before
the
commission
this
evening.
So
starting
with
the
impervious
surface,
as
as
burp
mentioned,
the
synthetic
playing
field
which
accounts
for
about
2.4
of
our
4.6
acres
of
the
site
does
not
qualify
as
impervious.
P
However,
it
does
slow
rain
water
down
fairly
significantly.
It's
a
45
minute
time
of
minutes
of
concentration
related
to
storm
water
and
to
give
you
a
comparison
that
that
relates
to
five
minutes
for
concrete.
So,
though,
it
is
still
an
impervious
surface
and
we
are
managing
all
of
our
calculations
accordingly
for
storm
water
detention,
it
is
an
improvement
over
say,
a
building
roof
or
a
concrete
surface.
So
I
wanted
to
point
that
out.
Regarding
item
b1
item
b2
relating
to
property
setbacks,
we
are
using
this
entire
site
on
this
urban
stadium.
P
It
is
contextual
to
the
area.
Forest
avenue
in
both
directions
includes
zero
setback
conditions,
as
well
as
both
24th
and
25th
street
to
the
south,
and
of
course
we
all
know.
University
avenue
is
similar.
That's
a
little
further
out,
but,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
immediate
area,
forest
avenue
does
include
zero
setbacks
in
each
direction
of
this
site.
The
there
is
really
no
harm
that
to
the
east.
P
P
The
only
structures
that
are
up
to
the
property
line
or
near
the
property
line
are
a
a
fence
ornamental
exceeding
the
fence
around
the
facility,
as
well
as
the
scoreboard
and
some
netting
that
keeps
balls
from
sailing
off
into
clark
street.
So
then,
along
the
east,
our
concessions
building
has
about
an
eight
foot
setback
from
the
the
edge
of
the
site,
which
is
that
building
to
the
northeast
and
our
bleachers,
which
are
split
into
an
upper
and
lower
deck.
P
P
Another
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
is
some
of
the
dimensions
of
this
facility
are
also
related
to
creating
a
balanced
dual
home
field,
condition
on
this
field,
so
there's
2,
000
seats
on
each
side
of
the
stadium,
and
that
did
help
generate
our
overall
width
of
the
stadium
and
really
will
be
a
benefit
to
the
function
and
form
of
it.
As
well
so
I'll
move
on
to
item
three
related
to
transparency
and
bird,
I
think
slide.
27
would
be
a
good
one
to
look
at
for.
P
But
the
grandstands
are
actually
split
in
two
and
there's
a
nine
foot
gap
that
runs
the
entire
length
at
at
the
sidewalk
level.
Again
supporting
that
idea
that
you're,
looking
in
and
through
this,
this
open
air
site,
the
open
air
stadium
site.
So
it
is
very
transparent
of
the
overall
length,
for
instance,
on
this,
this
east
side.
We
have
just
84
feet
of
actual
building
frontage
and
out
of
the
465
feet,
and
then
the
bleachers
are
about
200
feet
and
again
they're
elevated.
P
So
it
has
that
transparency
down
at
the
pedestrian
level
and
that's
true
on
the
other
side
of
the
building
as
well
less
significant
as
it
relates
to
the
the
item
tonight.
But
but
that
is
the
nature
of
of
the
stands
here.
The
same
is
true
on
the
the
north,
where
the
entire
space
between
the
the
concessions,
restroom
building
and
the
locker
room
structure,
is
the
open
field.
So
we
have
a
similar
condition
where
the
actual
buildings
are
are
a
minimal
portion
of
the
overall
frontage
of
the
building.
P
So
all
in
all,
we
think
the
spirit
of
the
transparency
of
this
this
site
is
certainly
met
through
those
those
means
with
that.
I
would
just
like
to
to
thank
the
city
staff
for
their
ongoing
and
thorough
review
of
these
items
and
their
recommendation
for
the
approval
of
this
plating
and
type
two
design
alternatives.
This
evening.
A
Q
Excellent,
thank
you.
My
name
is
dan
pardock.
I
live
at
4118,
lower,
beaver
road
in
des
moines
and,
first
of
all,
I'm
hoping
that
I
can
get
an
answer
to
my
question
as
I
move
along.
If
not,
I
completely
understand.
First
of
all,
I'm
really
curious
that
we
are
looking
at
3a
the
review
and
approval
of
a
preliminary
plan.
It's
called
drake
community
stadium
at
drake
university
plant
one
and
I'm
curious.
Q
According
to
the
paperwork
here,
the
drake
community
stadium
at
drake
university
platt,
one,
I'm
also
looking
forward
to
letter
b
here,
numbers
one
two
and
three
I
feel
like
the
the
cart
has
been
put
before
the
horse
on
this
one.
We
all
know
that
this
stadium
is
already
under
construction
right
now
and
the
hole's
already
getting
dug
out-
and
I
assume
it's
dug
out
according
to
the
plans
that
we're
looking
at
right
now.
Q
Q
I
do
find
it
interesting
that
at
every
hearing
that
I've
gone
to,
there
has
to
be
a
preamble
that
says
something
along
the
lines
that
we
heard
tonight.
You
may
have
heard
from
your
neighbors
that
this
isn't
the
right
thing
for
dmps
to
do,
but
you
have
to
vote
on
the
facts.
I
totally
agree
that
you
do
need
to
vote
on
the
facts
on
this
and
I
hope
you'll
take
that
into
consideration.
Q
But
I
do
find
it
interesting
that
there
always
has
to
be
that
speech
made,
because
I
think
we
all
know
that.
There's
quite
a
few
people
out
there,
including
over
seven
thousand,
that
signed
a
petition
saying
we
want
to
vote
on
this
for
the
15
million
in
save
funds.
So
I
appreciate
your
time.
I
hope
you
do
the
right
thing
tonight.
Thank
you
very
much.
D
As
a
chair,
this
is
judy
parks,
cruz,
the
legal
counsel
for
the
cnc
commission.
I
can
address
one
of
them,
mr
pardock,
you
would
ask
about
the
naming
of
the
psych
plan
and
how
it
appears
on
the
agenda
in
front
of
you.
I
have
to
tell
you,
having
seen
site
plans
for
various
meetings.
That
is
a
name
that
is
not
tied
to
ownership
and
how
they
chose
that
as
perhaps
identifying
it
as
a
joint
project
with
drake,
I'm
not
sure,
but
it
is
not
signifying
ownership
in
this
particular
instance
either.
K
Judy
and
judy
this
is
bert.
I
think
his
question
was
that
the
name
on
the
plat
doesn't
match
the
name
that
was
on
the
public
notices
that
we
mailed
out.
The
plan
that
was
submitted
calls
it
the
dmps
community
stadium
at
drake
university,
platt
one
and,
as
mr
pardock
said,
the
notice
is
called
at
the
drake
community
stadium
at
drake
university
plat,
one,
I'm
not
sure
where
staff
got
that
discrepancy,
but
I
believe
that
the
plat
name
isn't
what's
important.
K
D
K
K
There
was
a
traffic
analysis
done
as
part
of
the
rezoning
process,
and
I
think
I
showed
that
to
you
when
it
came
in
for
the
rezoning,
but
this
parking
analysis
looked
at
all
of
the
parking
spaces
within
the
quarter
mile
and
further
out.
But
our
city
code
requires
the
667
parking
stalls
to
be
within
750
feet
of
the
site,
which
we
do
believe
they
will
be
able
to
achieve.
A
P
Sure
the
on
the
the
parking
item
there
will
be
a
more
detailed
parking
agreement
ultimately,
but
currently
there
is
a
28e
agreement,
that's
fairly
broad
and
comprehensive
between
dnps
and
drake.
That's
a
recorded
agreement
that
includes
the
use
of
parking
which,
as
bert,
alluded
to
there's
a
667
off
street
parking
count
requirement
for
the
site.
We
are
currently
even
using
the
shared
parking
model
over.
P
If
we
find
there
to
be
any
issues
with
that,
we'll
we'll
find
ourselves
before
this
commission
again.
So
I
would
just
go
back
to
the
you
know
the
three
items
and
the
plating
on
tonight's
agenda
and
you
know,
request
your
support
and
if
there's
any
further
questions
for
me,
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
those
as
well
on
those
items.
J
K
J
G
K
K
I'm
sorry
blanking
on
the
name
that
goes
along
the
south
side
of
the
state
fairgrounds
of
dean
avenue,
but
it's
just
to
the
south
of
that
a
block.
You
have
to
go
down
this
narrow
street
along
east
15th
or
east
31st
street
and
then
across
the
railroad
tracks.
And
then
you
come
to
this
property
here.
So
the
property
is
zoned
n5.
K
As
I
mentioned,
they
are
wanting
to
rezone
it
to
an
I
industrial
district
which
would
help
it
would
be
the
first
step
they
need
to
take
in
remedying
a
zoning
violation.
Here
are
a
few
site
photos.
This
is
driving
south
down
south
east
34th
street.
You
can
see
it's
a
gravel
road.
Once
you
cross
the
railroad
tracks,
you
get
to
their
property,
you
can
see,
there's
an
existing
single
family
house
and
then
they
have
an
outdoor
storage
lot
on
their
property.
K
This
is
looking
more
southwest
at
the
storage
yard
and
it's
just
going
to
provide
a
little
background
information
on
how
we
got
here
tonight.
So
this
is
the
2018
aerial
photographer
aerial
photograph.
You
can
see
the
existing
single
family
house
was
right
here.
Then
we
fast
forward
a
year
to
the
2019
aerial
and
they
had
cleared
the
trees
and
put
down
some
gravel.
K
Here's
a
better
view
of
the
zoning
map.
You
can
see
the
n5
property
here,
which
is
a
neighborhood
district,
it's
mostly
surrounded
by
industrial
already.
There
is
some
flood
district
immediately
to
the
south
and
to
the
east,
and
then
here's
the
plan
dsm
land
use
plan
which
calls
for
this
area
for
this
area
to
be
an
industrial
designation,
so
staff
has
recommended
approval
of
the
rezoning.
K
We
just
had
recommended
one
condition
and
that
be
that
there
should
be
no
residential
use
upon
the
property,
which
means
that
if
the
redoning
is
granted,
they
would
have
to
stop
using
the
house
for
residential
use,
and
then
it
also
goes
without
saying
that
they
would
have
to
bring
the
storage
yard
into
compliance
with
the
site
plan.
That
would
be
the
final
step
at
remedying
your
zoning
violation.
K
R
R
R
R
R
This
uses,
I
guess
accessory
to
the
state
fairgrounds
operations
of
the
business
so
that
that's
how
we
got
here
today
was
a
result
of
this
redistricting
and
so
we're
simply
asking
for
the
rezoning.
So
we
can
restore
the
zoning
that
had
been
previously
and
historically
in
the
property
zoning
to
get
it
back
to
where
we
were
pre-2019.
A
A
G
D
D
I
Gary
members
of
the
commission,
jason
van
nessen,
with
the
city's
planning
staff
I'll
go
ahead
and
show
an
excuse
me,
an
aerial
identifying
the
subject
property.
It's
on
the
north
side
of
army
post
road.
At
the
intersection
of
southwest
six,
you
can
see
it
highlighted.
Most
of
the
property
is
currently
zoned
mx2.
I
As
part
of
the
request
to
support
the
rezoning,
the
land
use
plan
would
need
to
be
amended.
This
map
identifies
the
northern
part
of
the
property
as
being
where
the
land
use
map
amendment
would
need
to
take
place.
I
would
highlight
that
this
is
located
in
a
community
node,
that's
centered
on
southwest
9th
street
and
planned
dsm
the
city's
comprehensive
plan.
I
I
This
is
a
was
provided
by
the
applicant,
as
noted
in
the
agenda,
this
they're
looking
to
do
a
veterinarian
clinic.
This
is
the
concept
they
have
currently
for
how
they
would
develop
the
site
with
the
building
at
the
intersection
of
army
post
and
southwest
six
with
parking
and
storm
water
retention
to
the
north.
And
then
a
outdoor
dog
run
to
the
west
of
the
building.
I
Concepts
are
what
the
building
would
look
like
in
your
packet.
You
received
a
copy
of
the
staff
reports
was
provided
the
applicant
as
well.
We
did
our
normal
analysis.
Looked
at
the
future
land
use
map
and
planned
dsm.
City's
comprehensive
plan
is
the
basis
for
our
recommendations,
provided
a
summary
of
the
different
future
land
use
designations
noted
that
community
node
designation
for
the
area.
I
I
The
project
could
move
forward
without
that,
and
so
it's
it's
something
that
we
recognize
that
that's
an
element
they
would
like
to
have
with
the
property
or
with
their
development.
But
at
this
time
it
would
not
be
allowed.
The
avenue
for
getting
relief
doesn't
isn't
available
until
after
the
rezoning
would
take
place.
I
We
are
recommending
approval.
We
have
a
couple
of
conditions.
In
short,
what
we're?
What
we're
suggesting
here
is
that
we
want
to
limit
uses
to
those
allowed
in
the
mx2
district,
the
site's
currently
zoned
mx2,
with
the
addition
of
the
animal
service
category
with
with
the
allowances
for
boarding
to
allow
their
vet
operations
to
be
included
in
that
list
of
things
that
can
be
allowed.
I
There
are
other
uses
in
mx3
that
are
a
little
more
either
auto
or
commercial,
intense
allowed
or
kind
of
light
industrial-ish
uses
that
we
don't
think
would
be
a
good
fit
here.
We
also
have
a
condition
there,
limiting
the
type
of
accessory
structures
allowed
to
those
that
would
be
permitted
in
the
mx2
district.
I
S
S
S
They've
always
had
the
intention
of
building
a
new
facility
on
this
site.
Their
current
vet
center
practice
is
just
a
couple
blocks
west
of
of
this
site
at
southwest
9th
and
army
post,
and
they
are
rapidly
outgrowing
that
facility
so
they're,
looking
forward
to
trying
to
develop
this,
this
parcel
here,
jason.
If
you
wouldn't
mind
going
back
to
the
site
plan,
I
just
want
to
touch
on
a
couple
brief
things,
so
the
existing
site
is
a
home
of
an
old
mobile
home
park.
So
there
are
some
existing
asphalt.
S
Paved
areas,
as
mentioned
by
jason
on
the
site,
is
also
a
residence
located
on
the
northeast
corner
of
that
site.
That
is
also
owned
by
the
property
owner
as
part
of
this
project.
That
home
would
be
demolished
to
make
room
for
a
detention
area
and
new
parking
lot
right
there
in
the
center
is
a.
I
believe
it
was
an
old
utility
shed
that
no
longer
exists
and
it's
in
its
where
it
sits
there.
S
S
The
building
sets
up
on
the
property
lines.
We've
got
rear
parking,
all
those
things
we're
we're
trying
to
align
with
as
best
we
can,
and
so
we're
really
just
looking
to
try
and
get
this
rezoned.
So
we
can
build
this
facility
on
this
site.
We
understand
that
there
are
hurdles
ahead
of
us
to
try
and
get
the
board
of
adjustment
to
approve
the
exterior
dog
run,
and
we
look
forward
to
those
discussions
as
well.
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
for
any
of
you
this
evening.
S
G
A
A
G
G
A
H
H
H
H
H
Staff
is,
is
not
supportive
of
the
waiver
of
the
sidewalk.
I
think
we've
been
consistent
with
this
based
on
the
move,
dsm,
prioritization
and
comments
from
traffic
engineering,
so
we
wouldn't
be
recommending
in
favor
of
that
waiver,
but
we
are
recommending
approval
of
the
type
2
design
alternative
to
allow
the
11
foot
floor
height
on
the
upper
level.
H
H
G
F
F
I
live
south
of
grand
myself
and
chris
mcvigar
is
very
excited
about
moving
to
this
area
and
is
making
a
considerable
investment
to
do
so
on
many
levels.
So
we
took
this
very
seriously
and
we
looked
it
up
in
the
beginning
of
what
the
requirements
were.
It's
a
difficult
site
because
there's
a
little
over
13
feet
of
slope
side
to
side,
and
we
have
over
20
feet
as
well,
more
than
that
even
30
feet
of
slope
front
to
back.
F
F
I
should
say
the
staff
on
coming
to
the
recommendation
that
this
house
is
in
compliance
height
wise,
even
though
it's
kind
of
confusing
as
eric
said,
because
there
are
multiple
levels
here
to
literally
six.
But
if
you
look
at
this
image,
you
can
see,
if
you
do
the
math,
this
house
actually
takes
up
less
vertical
volume
than
we
would
if
we
did
a
standard
two-story
house,
which
is
an
accepted
type.
F
Chris
owns
a
company
called
mark
chris
modern
design.
She
specializes
in
doing
modern
houses
and
we
got
involved
and
designed
helping
her
design
this
project
and
she
takes
it
very
seriously.
What
the
neighborhood
is
all
about
and
we
try
to
create
scale
items
some
some
real
shadow
items,
volumetrically
and
material
wise
everything
that
really
works
with
this
entire
neighborhood.
F
One
of
the
values
of
river
oaks
drive
is
the
absolute
diversity
of
the
housings
within
the
neighborhood.
People
drive
down
the
street,
particularly
for
that
reason,
and
there's
all
architectural
styles
from
mid-century
early
late,
1800
houses,
all
different
types
of
roof
configurations
shed
flat,
gable,
hip
and
so
they're.
F
So
we
we
very
much
worked
within
the
limits
of
the
height
requirements
and
again
that's
demonstrated
here,
the
the
second
I
and
again
we
thank
the
staff
for
approving
it
on
that
level
and
that
that
they
didn't
see
any
issues
with
the
height
of
the
house.
One
of
the
kind
of
the
funny
things
interesting
things
is
when
they
state
that
we
had
more
than
nine
foot
of
height
on
the
floors.
F
It
was
because
we
actually
dug
into
the
ground
or
actually
met
the
ground
as
the
ground
goes
to
the
back
of
the
house.
So
if
you
look
at
the
front
of
the
house,
it's
actually
equal
to
a
house
that
has
a
nine
and
an
eight
foot
floor
heights.
But
as
you
move
to
the
back,
those
levels
actually
go
down
in
elevation
and
that's
what
creates
the
extra
height
so
that
it
was
kind
of
confusing.
But
again
we.
F
H
F
F
First
slide:
there
you
go
yep
there,
you
go
okay.
Now,
when
we
look
at
this,
we
can
see
that
even
within
this
slide,
there's
virtually
zero
sidewalks
and
I've
been
involved
in
projects
throughout
the
country
where
walkability
has
been
a
really
big
issue,
and
so
I
can
appreciate
the
desire
to
put
sidewalks
in
there.
F
A
A
T
So
I
I'd
like
to
make
a
few
points.
I
assume
that
the
commission
has
already
reviewed
my
my
letter,
but
I'd
like
to,
I
guess,
just
make
a
few
points.
As
mr
vlieger
said,
the
the
house
does
exceed
the
allowable
height
for
the
type
that
is
allowed
in
zone
n3a,
which
is
approved
by
type
one,
and
then
also
here
today.
We're
consider
you're,
considering
the
type
two
design
alternative
for
the
floor-to-floor
height,
the
looking
at
the
surrounding
area.
T
If
you
can
zoom
into
these
photos
of
the
15
houses
that
are
within
a
250
foot
radius
of
the
site,
there's
only
one
two-story
house
and
of
all
the
other
remaining
houses,
they're
one
story
and
the
ceiling
heights,
which
which
would
equal
the
floor
heights
in
a
one-story
house,
all
appear
to
be
eight
foot.
Looking
at
the
exterior
same
thing
with
the
two-story
house,
that's
that's
also
within
this
vicinity.
T
I
would
say
mr
vlager's
analysis
to
compare
the
design
to
what
is
allowed.
Make
some
assumptions
convert
of
of
you
know,
sort
of
maximizing
everything
allowable
you
know.
Roof
pitch
is
is
higher
than
it
then
that's
sort
of
what
could
be
done
if
one
were
we're
really
trying
to
fit
into
the
neighborhood.
T
T
This
one
are
very
similar
in
eight
foot,
eight
foot
ceiling
heights
and
they
sell
quite
regularly
the
design
alternative
is
also
intended
to
recognize
that
alternative
solutions
may
provide
equal
or
better
implementation
of
the
regulation's
intended
purpose.
And
again
I
don't
see
how
increasing
the
height
makes
us
either
fit
into
the
neighborhood
better
or
or
reduce
the
adverse
impacts
of
you
know.
Blocking
views
of
adjacent
properties.
H
Madam
chair
I
did
want
to
this-
is
eric
lundy.
I
wanted
to
clarify
mr
gosnell
indicated
that
the
commission
had
these
in
advance
and
that
isn't
the
case.
We
don't
provide
those
they
they
provide
them
to
staff
so
that
they
can
be
presented
because
we
aren't
able
to
share
the
screen,
so
they
have
to
be
shown
to
the
commission
in
the
confines
of
the
hearing.
Basically,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
he
there
isn't
anything
else.
He
wanted
to
point
out.
T
A
F
Yeah,
can
you
hear
me
yes
yeah?
This
is
philip
leaguer
again
and
why
I
respect
david
gosnell's
approach
to
this
and
the
the
level
of
vigor
and
the
completeness
of
a
submittal.
There
are
some
things
that
are
just
off
base
number
one.
He
mentioned
that.
I
stated
that
this
was
indeed
taller
than
it
would
be
if
it
was
a
two-story
house
that
is
patently
false.
I
showed
on
that
diagram
that
this
actually
is
about
five
to
six
foot
shorter
than
if
this
were
a
standard.
Two
foot
house
yeah.
F
This
diagram
shows
that
the
dimension
over
to
the
right
near
the
near
the
roof
that
shows,
if
this
house
had
a
512
pitch,
which
actually
many
of
them
in
the
neighborhood,
have
greater
than
that.
So
if
this
12
this
house
had
a
512
pitch,
which
is
which
is
permitted
within
the
guidelines
doesn't
matter
if
it's
on
the
high
end,
there's
always
a
scale,
but
it's
512.
F
This
house
would
be
four
to
five
feet
taller
than
it
is
now
so
his
his
statement
that
this
is
blocking
views
is
not
accurate,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
clear.
We
tried
to
be
very
concerned
about
the
things
that
he
brought
forward
and
we
too
were
very
concerned
about
them.
However,
this
house
doesn't
have
height
violation
issues.
F
If
we
really
go
by
the
strictness
of
the
nine
at
eight
foot.
Now
eight
foot
is
the
lowest
any
house
is
there
are
some
houses
in
the
neighborhood
within
a
block
or
two
that
are
nine
foot?
I
know
that
for
certain,
because
I
have
a
friend
that
lives
there
and
I've
been
in
this
house
and
it's
nine
foot
and
more
in
some
areas.
So
there
is
a
precedent
for
that,
but
the
requirements-
state,
nine
and
nine-
can
be
used
in
this
area
and
we
did
nine
and
eight
to
show
in
this
example.
F
So
we
we
did
try
to
take
into
consideration
those
items
of
scale
and
monumentality,
and
we
appreciate
the
quaintness
of
the
area
as
well
as
the
homes
that
have
a
a
grander
scale,
and
indeed
this
street
is
recognized
as
a
street
of
great
diversity,
maybe
within
two
or
three
houses.
One
can
say
that
there
are
some
uniformity,
but
there
isn't.
There
is
a
lot
of
variation
if
one
even
goes
to
blocks.
F
That's
the
main
point
I
wanted
to
bring
forward.
We
we
really
did
try
to
put
effort
to
design
something
that
responded
to
the
neighborhood
and
chris
mcvicker,
who
is
who
literally
again,
is
putting
a
major
investment
here,
she's
putting
her
money
and
her.
You
know
putting
things
a
lot
of
things
behind
this,
with
the
understanding
that
it
will
have
reciprocal
value
over
time.
So,
and
I
absolutely
am
certain
that
this
will
increase
the
valuation
as
opposed
to
what
david
mentioned.
F
There's
no
evidence
of
what
he
mentioned
is
true,
that
it
will
in
any
way
depreciate
the
value.
Conversely,
the
opposite
will
happen
just
due
to
the
due
to
the
assessed
valuation
of
the
property.
There's
all
kinds
of
studies
for
that
that
we
can
demonstrate
that,
so
I
can
appreciate
his
concern.
He
lives
across
the
street
as
an
architect.
I
hope
he
grows
to
actually
maybe
like
the
the
project
as
it
starts
to
be
built.
F
F
So
I
want
mr
gosnell
to
know
that
we
we
really
did
try
to
be
responsive
to
issues
of
the
neighborhood
and
chris
mcvicker
was
very,
very
important
for
her
to
better
do
her
do
what
she
really
really
enjoys
and
what
really
really
is
meaningful
to
her,
but
at
the
same
time
she
wants
to
be
a
good
neighbor,
so
she's
hopeful
that
this
house
will
will
eventually
do
both
of
those.
So
that's
all
I
have.
M
M
as
to
the
diversity.
I
believe
that
this
house
adds
to
the
diversity
of
the
neighborhood
and
the
city,
and
I
think
it
would
be
added
added
value
to
the
entire
other
properties
that
are
adjacent
and
in
the
same
neighborhood.
So
I
think
a
little
diversity
in
housing
designs
is
a
good
thing,
as
opposed
to
monotony
of
the
same
thing.
Over
and
over
again.
A
A
There
are
no
sidewalks,
it's
a
pretty
wide
street
for
most
of
it,
but
it
is
a
neighborhood.
This
isn't
like
an
isolated
house
or
warehouse.
You
know
where
we've
talked
about
the
sidewalk
to
nowhere.
Now,
if
we
you
know
to
me,
this
is
a
situation
where,
if
you're
going
to
you
have
to
start-
and
this
is
a
neighborhood-
and
so
I
I
feel
differently
about
this
sidewalk
than
other
sidewalks,
but
I
I
I'm
voicing
that
other
comments,
quest
discussion.
J
D
G
U
Okay,
I
had
my
participant
screen
up
and
was
going
back
to
the
mute
just
wanted
to
thank
everybody
for
the
patience
tonight
on
the
meeting.
A
lot
of
items
to
cover
also
wanted
to
wish
everybody
happy
holidays
and
a
great
new
year.
It's
definitely
been
a
challenging
year.
I
hope
all
of
you
are
healthy
and
safe
and
wish
everybody
a
better
20
21.
Thank
you
very
much.