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From YouTube: 9-2-21 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, Sept. 2, 2021.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
A
Phoning
commission
I'm
going
to
read
the
rules
and
procedures.
The
plan
and
zoe
zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plots
unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
development
services
department
staff
for
details
on
council
hearings.
A
Applicant
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
5
minutes
applicant
is
then
allowed
5
minutes
of
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
A
All
comments
are
to
be
germane
to
the
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
Items
listed
on
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
in
the
staff
report,
unless
an
individual
present
or
member
of
the
commission
requests.
That
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda.
A
B
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
bert
drost
planning
staff
for
the
city
of
des
moines
item
number
three
is
a
request
to
amend
the
eastgate
pud
in
order
to
allow
a
drive-through
restaurant
to
be
built
along
east
euclid
avenue,
the
staff
has
recommended
14
conditions
the
applicant
has
agreed
to
all
of
them.
I
did
want
to
point
out
that
we've
clarified
condition
number
11.
Today
we
just
added
this
text
highlighted
in
yellow.
It
basically
says
that
all
utilities
shall
be
buried
wherever
reasonably
practical
kabul
in
accordance
with
chapter
135.
B
So
since
it's
a
pud
chapter,
135
technically
would
not
apply.
The
pud
conceptual
plan
would
set
the
zoning
for
the
property.
So
we
wanted
it
to
match.
What's
in
chapter
135,
so
we
did
add
the
caveat
that
the
utility
shall
be
buried
whenever
reasonably
practicable.
So
anyway,
the
applicant
agrees
to
our
conditions
so
staff's
comfortable
moving
number
three
to
the
consent
agenda.
A
A
A
A
B
All
right
and
then
we
did
have
one
other
change
to
the
agenda.
Item
number
two
is
a
request
at
40,
28
east
14th
street.
They
have
requested
another
continuance
to
the
september
16th
commission
meeting.
This
was
continued
from
the
last
meeting
so
that
they
had
time
to
get
mid-american
estimates
and
at
this
time
they've
requested
another
continuance
because
they
still
haven't
received
those
mid-american
energy
estimates.
Yet
so
staff
is
supportive
of
moving
number
two
or
making
a
motion
to
move
number
two
to
the
september
16th
meeting.
B
F
A
All
right,
we
will
move
on
to
the
public
hearing
items.
The
first
public
hearing
item
is
item
number
four:
it's
a
request
from
nancy
henderson
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
site
hearing
plan
and
type
2
design
alternative
in
accordance
with
city
code,
section
135,
four
b
and
one
thirty
five,
nine
three
one
b
for
property
at
four
two:
zero
zero
foster
drive
to
allow
construction
of
a
detached
garage
on
the
side
yard.
A
D
D
G
D
G
D
D
To
give
you
a
little
bit
more
context
on
the
neighborhood
in
the
street
surrounding
the
subject
property:
here's
a
little
bit
zoomed
out
map
that
shows
you
the
building
footprints
around
subject:
property.
Here's
the
subject:
property
on
the
southwest
corner,
42nd
and
foster
drive
the
red
box
is
the
approximate
location
of
the
proposed
garage.
D
D
Staff
is
recommending
denial
of
this
request.
We
feel
that
it
is
out
of
character
for
the
neighborhood.
However,
we
do
recognize
that
there
are
some
site
constraints
that
the
applicant
is
running
into,
and
so
we
are
seeking
your
discussion
and
deliberation
tonight
on
that
matter.
I'd
be
happy
to
open
it
up
to
any
questions
at
this
time.
H
D
The
code
requirements
would
be
different
for
an
attached
garage
slightly
different.
That
is
obviously
not
something
that
we
have
reviewed
for
because
it's
not
a
plan
that
has
been
presented
to
us
at
this
time.
We've
just
reviewed
the
detached
garage
option
that
was
presented
to
us
and
found
that
it
didn't
conform
with
that
setback
because
it
is
placed
between
the
principal
dwelling
and
the
corner
lot
line.
D
I
think
that
if
you
allow
me
to
scroll
back
to
the
site
plan
here,
I
think
there
there
could
be
a
few
different
challenges
with
that,
depending
on
the
placement
of
the
attached
garage.
This
is
obviously
all
speculative,
but
the
code
would
define
the
front
yard
for
this
property.
Actually,
as
the
42nd
street
frontage,
the
code
defines
the
front
yard
as
a
shorter
street
segment
on
a
corner
lot.
D
D
H
D
D
A
H
D
D
H
And
again
I
apologize
for
being
new
and
so
not
understanding
all
these,
because
when
I
read
it,
I
thought
my
understanding
was
one
of
the
first
major
issues
of
why
this
can't
work
is
because
we're
placing
a
garage
in
front
of
the
primary
structure
with
respect
to
the
front
with
respect
to
the
frontage
road
correct.
That's
why
I
thought
foster
drive
was
a
frontage
road,
but
if
42nd
street
is
a
frontage
road,
are
we
actually
not
we're
actually
behind
no
homes.
C
The
code
does
not
allow
you,
regardless
of
what's
considered
your
front,
your
primary
front
yard
versus
your
side
street.
The
code
does
not
allow
you
to
have
the
garage
in
between
the
the
primary
building
and
the
street
regardless.
If
it's
considered
the
second,
you
know
the
side
street
or
you're
frontage.
C
So
I
think,
where
kyle,
where
he
was
going
with
talking
about
42nd
street,
was
really
under
the
questions
of
what
how
would
an
attached
garage
work,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
that
they're
proposing
a
garage
between
the
house
and
the
street
which
the
code
doesn't
allow
the
hold?
What
what's
your
front
door
face
where
your
address
is?
That's
not
that's
moot
to
the
question.
H
Okay,
so
the
real
question
comes
down
to
whether
or
not
a
usable
garage
can
fit
ex
behind
it,
where
the
current
one
is
where
that
part
hasn't
been,
isn't
clear
yet
is
that
right,
because
if
you
put
distance
between
that
garage,
can
you
fit
wait?
Sorry
I'll
I'll
wait
for
the
other
pieces,
vegas,
so
you're
saying
the
only
place
it
could
possibly
go
is
in
that
back
corner
the
question.
Now
it
comes
to
whether
or
not
that
back
corner
is
large
enough
to
put
anything
in
with
the
offsets.
D
G
E
D
I
A
J
D
A
L
Okay,
so
I
am
nancy
henderson,
I
guess
you
guys
can
still
see
the
slot
and
if
you
look
at
the
garages
on
there,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see,
but
it's
parked
next
to
my
gray
pickup
truck
over
this
way.
Oh
here
it
goes
right
all
right.
So
this
is
my
yard,
and
that
is
the
garage
in
the
back.
That
garage
is
currently
nine
foot
wide
and
20
foot
wide
on
the
outside
on
the
inside.
L
It
is
about
18
foot
wide
because
there's
a
joist
and
there's
some
filling
whatever
my
truck
does
not
fit
in,
nor
does
my
the
malibu
so
neither
of
the
cars
in
the
family
fit
into
this
garage.
If
we
were
to
take
the
existing
garage
down,
which
was
proposed,
it
would
have
to
be
even
more
narrow,
in
which
case
no
car.
Well,
you
know
it's
it.
L
L
So,
additionally,
oddly
enough,
the
back
of
my
yard,
which
is
what
we're
calling
the
front
of
my
yard,
which
is
what
you
saw
in
those
pictures-
you
saw
my
back
door.
The
prettier
part
of
my
yard
is
the
part
facing
42nd
and
the
part
that's
gone.
I
I
suspect
at
one
time
the
house
below
me
and
that
picture
wasn't
there,
and
that
was
probably
I
was
probably
originally
that's
the
front
of
my
house,
my
front
door.
My
porch,
the
beautiful
columns,
are
all
in
the
back
of
my
house.
L
If
you
consider
42nd
street
my
street
address,
we've
considered
putting
the
garage
anywhere
else,
but
it
would
require
another
drive
on
42nd
and
it
would
be
nowhere
near
the
home
or
it
would
be
in
front
of
a
pretty
part
of
the
home.
The
back
facing
part
of
my
house
that
does
not
have
windows
and
you
know,
is
towards
42nd.
L
L
I've
never
done
anything
like
this
before.
Forgive
me,
okay,
so
they
all
signed
a
letter
saying
that
he's
going
to
try
to
thank
you
for
focusing
for
me,
not
very
well
focused,
but
it
would
be
1
2,
3,
4,
5,
6,
7,
8,
9
10..
It
would
be
the
10
surrounding
houses
that
can
see
it,
so
it
would
be
if
it
was
going
to
cause
any
trouble
visually
these
people,
they
all
say.
Please
let
me
have
my
garage.
L
L
Also,
very
much
would
like
to
have
this
fixed.
The
other
thing
that
it
would
fix
is
that
our
two
driveways
are
not
the
same
grace
when
we
put
this
driveway
on
it
will
be
about.
The
yard
will
be
sunken
to
make
it
happen,
and
our
neighbors
have
to
have
a
retaining
wall
on
both
sides
of
their
driveway,
that's
shared
and
they
can't
get
their
car
in.
In
the
winter,
because
it's
tight
so
fixing
the
grade
fixing
the
driveway
fixing
the
shared
driveway
is
very
desired.
L
She
says
she's
more
than
happy
for
you
guys
to
call
her.
She
wanted
to
come
she's
an
er
doctor
and
she's
on
call,
but
she
said
that
we
could
text
or
call
her
if
you
needed
any
verification
she's
amongst
assigned
people
who
all
said
they
think
it
is
valuable
and
pretty
and
wanted
next.
I
also
would
like
to
say
that
I
took
pictures
of
six
properties
if
you
follow
that
block
that
he
had
done
so
if
you
follow
along
just
walk
that
way,.
M
L
And
then,
additionally,
if
you
went
back
to
that
circle,
there's
two
houses.
When
you
go
into
fosters
that
he
had
and
when
you
went
into
foster
drive
my
house
as
you
went
around
the
circle
and
as
you
came
out,
which
I
guess
would
be,
nobody
eats
soggy
waffles,
never
north
down
foster
as
that
circles
around.
We
both
have
these
pillars
with
a
light
on
it
that
say,
welcome
to
linden
heights
and
their
driveway
is
the
mirror
image.
L
L
L
That
would
be
unsightly,
so
I'm
hoping
I
could
please
please
have
a
garage
so
that
my
car
can
fit
in
it.
Also
I
own
a
car,
a
second
car,
a
boat
and
we
have
two
motorcycles
and
two
dirt
bikes
and
a
whole
bunch
of
kid
bicycles
and
a
lawnmower.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
things
that
nobody
wants
to
see
outside
and
also
please
keep
in
mind
that
that
garage
is.
There
does
have
a
garage
door
and
a
roof,
but
cars
don't
fit
in
it.
L
L
From
my
neighbors,
yes,
many
yeah,
all
every
house
in
the
neighborhood,
I
went
signed
it
and
not
only
did
they
sign
it,
but
they
also.
If
you
look
at
the
top,
it
clearly
states
that
they
think
it
will
add
value
to
their
property,
because
my
house
has
brought
it
all
down,
they
can't
sell
it
because
it
doesn't
have
a
garage
and
in
today's
life
no
one
buys
a
house
that
has
no
usable
garage
except
for
a
single
mother
who's,
a
teacher
they
do
and
also
that
they
believe
it
will
add.
L
So
they
think
it's
gonna
have
value
in
ascetics
and
they'd
also
like
for
me
and
my
neighbor
to
have
a
nicer
looking
driveway,
because
our
driveway
is
it's
awry
and
you
can
see
that
in
some
of
the
pictures
he
presented.
One
driveway
is
up
higher,
the
other
is
lower
and
it
involves
two
big
retaining
walls
and
it's
all
cracked
up.
J
L
She
did
we're
actually
she's
part
of
the
project
we
we've
designed
it
together,
we're
working
together
because
we're
going
to
get
both
of
our
driveways
repaired
at
the
same
time,
she's
the
one
whose
driveway
gets
stuck
between
two
retraining
walls.
So
what
happens
is
when
you
drive
up
and
you
can
kind
of
see
it.
L
I
want
it
it
also.
If
you
look
at
where
their
yard
is
yeah,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see
on
that
photo.
Oh,
this
thing
moves
along.
So
if
you
look
at
so,
if
you
kind
of
look
at
this
photo,
their
house
is
set
back
anyhow,
you
can't
they
don't
see
anything
really
past
my
house
and
if
you
can
see
where
those
tree
lines
that
tree
line
goes
those
pine
trees.
L
That's
about
where
oh
I
took
this
this
photo
since
I
put
see
those
mums,
that's
where
the
corner
would
be.
I
put
those
out
there
as
a
thing.
This
is
my
photo.
So
as
you
can
see,
it's
already
got
trees
out
to
that
same
point,
those
mums
is
where
the
garage
will
come
out
to
so
their
views
already
already
obstructed.
L
So
it
would
obstruct
it
no
more
and
if
you
were
to
look
through
any
of
their
windows,
it
looks
if
I
look
out
so
that
rear-facing
windows
that
you
see
there
that's
my
bedroom
behind.
It
is
my
kitchen
and
their
farthest
windows
facing
42nd
street.
If
I
wave
out
my
kitchen
is
where
they
see
me,
so
their
house
lines
up
dead
in
the
middle
of
my
house.
L
L
L
M
L
L
L
This
is
what's
visually,
the
back
of
the
house,
but
what
is
you
know
the
front,
and
so
it
would
sit
in
front
of
those
two
windows
and
because
it'll
have
to
be,
you
see
how
it's
on
a
hill
they'll
have
to
grade
it
for
it.
So
it'll
probably
come
up
as
high
at
the
highest
peak
as
that
white
line
on
the
garage,
and
it
will
go
over
to
about
halfway
as
wide
of
the
house.
L
L
L
L
I
I
will
keep
it
mostly
because
I
don't
want
to
take
it
down.
I
don't
mind
to
take
it
down,
but
if
I
take
it
down,
nothing
else
can
go
there.
Do
you
see
how
it
literally
sits
on
the
lot
line
and
it's
a
nine
foot
wide
garage?
So
if
I
took
that
off
and
tried
to
rebuild
something
better
at
this
point,
it's
only
going
to
be
a
six
foot
garage.
L
So
there's
you
know
my
thoughts
with
it.
Are
that
eventually
I
might
make
it
into
just
my
yard,
just
get
rid
of
it,
but
I
haven't
decided
what
to
do
that's
my
neck.
You
know
that
would
be
phase
b.
I
don't
know
what
to
do
with
that.
It's
not
attractive.
I'd
like
it
to
go
to
make.
This
garage
is
already
about
just
to
make
the
most
cheapest
garage
on
this
because
of
the
amount
of
leveling
and
concrete
that's
needed
there.
L
L
If
I
want
to
make
it
flat
on
the
top,
I
don't
know,
can
you
see
my
neighbor's
garage
over
there
there's
a
splat
on
the
top
and
you
can
go
on
there
and
like
grill,
which
I
probably
would
want
to
do
depending
on
you
know,
but
I
went
with
the
most
basic
garage
for
this
that
I
could
find,
which
is
that,
so
that
is
your
cheapest
most
basic
garage
and
you
can
only
go
up
from
there.
If
I
wanted,
I
figured
I'd,
see
if
I
could
get
the
easiest.
H
L
This
is
the
back
of
the
house
yeah.
I
sent
him
some
pictures
of
the
front,
so
you
can
see
it.
It
has
really
beautiful
thin
care
and
character
with
the
neighborhood
on
the
other
side
of
the
house.
It
has
big
beautiful
columns.
It
has
a
huge
wraparound
porch.
It
has
a
front
door
stairs
the
whole
nine
yards,
pretty
windows
french
doors.
This
has
an
empty
wall,
a
back
porch
in
my
bedroom,
so.
H
L
L
L
It
has
an
eight
foot
door,
so
you
can
get
in
the
door,
but
it's
the
length
of
it
is
about
two
feet
short
for
my
pickup
truck.
When
I
put
it
in
not
only
does
the
bumper
stick
out,
but
so
does
a
good
chunk
of
the
bed
of
it
and
our
car
does
the
same.
Our
car
gets
right
into
the
bumper,
but
the
bump
the
door
won't
shut
and
the
bumper
sticks
out
so
neither
of
our
vehicles
can
fit
in
it's
a
shared
driveway.
Also
the
parking
in
front
of
this
house.
L
C
M
M
But
if,
if
the
commission
decided
to
approve
the
design
alternative,
would
there
be
additional
any
additional
recommendations
or
requests
from
staff
on
the
design
of
the
garage
itself?
As
far
as
how
it
looks?
According
to
the
house
and
the
neighborhood,
or
is
I
mean
I
don't
know
that
all
checked
out.
D
C
Those
would
be
kind
of
some
suggestions
we
might
offer
for
you,
and
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
when
kyle
did
start
his
presentation,
he
did
say
that
we
recognize
there's
constraints
here
and
that
we're
also
looking
for
the
commission's
input
and
thoughts
on
this.
So
this
you
know
wasn't
intended
to
be
a
you
know,
drawing
out
debate
or
argument
we're
just
looking
for
your
guys
input.
So
those
would
be
my
thoughts
on
it.
Thank
you.
N
D
N
J
C
H
C
C
Things
are
being
added,
the
the
windows
would
not
be
typically
be
required,
but
of
a
garage,
but
a
garage
would
normally
be
behind
the
building
in
a
backyard,
and
so
the
commission,
the
motion
is
to
as
a
trade-off
for
the
approval
they're
asking
the
motion.
Jan
is
asking
for
those
as
a
trade-off
to
minimize
the
impact
of
the
relief.
A
B
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
bert
ross
planning
staff
for
the
city
of
des
moines,
the
site
plan
before
you
would
allow
for
modifications
to
the
existing
hospice
facility
at
956th
street.
The
subject
property
is
located
just
to
the
north
of
the
freeway
at
56th
street
directly
across
from
the
waveland
golf
course.
B
B
C
D
B
It's
being
weird
yeah,
so
if
you
see
from
the
aerial
there's
an
existing
sidewalk
along
the
west
side
of
56th
street
here
and
then
the
sidewalk
or
the
trail
jumps
56th
street
here
and
goes
along
the
golf
course.
So
we
feel
it's
reasonable
to
have
them
put
a
sidewalk
from
that
driveway
to
this
sidewalk,
so
that
people
who
are
either
here
at
the
time
or
visitors
of
guest
herb
residents
at
the
hospice.
B
B
They
are
removing
trees
for
the
proposed
edition,
so
they're
required
to
do
provide
11
trees
to
offset
the
or
to
meet
the
tree
mitigation
requirements
and
with
the
street
trees
that
they're
asking
to
wave,
they
could
provide
eight
or
nine
of
those
trees
right
there.
So
we
feel
that
it's
reasonable
to
have
them
put
in
the
street
trees,
so
it
offsets
what's
being
removed
for
the
addition
and
then,
as
far
as
the
utilities
goes,
the
estimate
that
they
provided
from
mid-american
shows
that
would
cost.
B
Fourteen
thousand
and
fourteen
thousand
one
hundred
three
dollars
to
bury
the
utilities
they
have.
The
applicants
also
indicated
that
their
overall
project
budget
is
2.8
million,
which
means
that
this
utility
burial
is
less
than
right
at
a
half
of
one
percent
of
the
overall
cost.
So
so
I
guess,
based
on
that
percentage
staff
has
recommended
denial
of
the
waiver
of
underground
utilities.
H
C
B
So
if
the
applicant
was
able
to
provide
a
sidewalk
say
from
the
front
door
to
the
existing
sidewalk
at
the
bridge,
staff
may
be
able
to
get
on
board
with
that.
But
if
you
look
there's
a
slight
slight
swale
right
here,
so
I
killed
the
applicants.
Engineer
answer
that,
but
I
believe
the
best
route
for
the
sidewalk
is
along
the
street
to
the
driveway.
H
O
E
G
E
B
E
B
B
C
O
H
Did
engineering
consider
the
operational
challenge
that
todd's
identifying,
which
is
that,
yes,
people
are
going
to
naturally
keep
going
along
that
when
they
aren't
actually
going
to
hospice
and
they're
instead,
not
going
because
when
you
say
engineering
looked
at
it,
we're
good
did
engineering.
Consider
that
operational
issue
he's
talking
about
is
that
a
valid
answer.
C
C
B
B
B
A
P
Did
you
say
I
need
my
address
as
well.
One
my
home
address
is
14021
ridgemont
drive
in
urbandale.
Thank
you,
commissioners
and
staff
for
the
opportunity
to
talk
about
this
tonight.
All
three
of
these
items
that
we
have.
We
are
requesting
the
removal.
Let's
start
with
the
with
the
sidewalk,
since
we've
been
talking
about
that.
I
we
completely
agree
that
a
sidewalk
along
this
route
right
here
would
only
be
used
by
confused
cyclists
who
are
trying
to
navigate
this
trail
to
the
north.
P
It
uses
a
sidewalk
if
we
place
it
here,
the
only
use
of
the
sidewalk
would
be
for
people
who
are
confused
that
they're
thinking
they're
going
along
the
trail
system
to
the
north
and
then
would
end
up
at
a
dead
end.
So
we
we
really
would
appreciate
a
waiver
of
of
that
sidewalk
regarding
the
utility
line
this
this
poll
right
here.
P
P
This
is
you're
right,
it's
only
half
of
one
percent
of
the
cost
of
our
project,
but
we're
not
for
profit
and-
and
let
me
tell
you,
as
chief
financial
officer,
we're
watching
every
single
penny
on
this
project
and
if
it
doesn't
add
value,
we're
not
doing
it
and
honestly
this
this
adds
no
value
at
all
to
the
project.
It
does
not
have
any
negative
character
impacts
with
the
neighborhood,
and
we
would
really
appreciate
a
waiver
of
that
regarding
the
trees.
P
So
it's
I'm
I'm
sure
most
of
you
are
familiar
with
this
corner,
beautiful
golf
course
on
the
east:
here's
our
building.
Can
you
see
our
building?
You
can't
see
our
building.
You
know
why
there's
trees
everywhere.
It's
this
is
our
hospice
house.
The
reason
that
this
this
house
is
so
popular
is
it's
it.
It's
a
in
the
middle
of
a
forest
in
the
middle
of
town
and
there
are
dozens
and
dozens
of
volunteer,
elms
and
locust
trees
sprout
up
on
our
property.
P
Every
single
year
we
did
have
to
take
out
a
few
trees
to
expand
our
deck,
so
our
residents
could
enjoy
the
beautiful
forest
there.
But,
honestly
it's
it's
not
like.
There's
any
need
to
replant
any
trees
where
the
the
building
you
can't
even
see
from
the
street.
You
can't
see
it
from
the
neighbors
to
the
back.
P
J
G
P
C
P
Q
P
H
P
O
I'll
take
a
swing
at
emily,
so
I
live
across
the
street
at
the
golf
course
every
day
and
everything
the
applicant
said
is
very
accurate
and
it
is
a
wonderful
place.
I've
had
experiences
there,
unfortunately,
unfortunately,
and
it's
a
great
institution,
you
know
I
want
to
support
this
expansion
and
I
think
burying
the
power
lines
is
an
undue
cost
when
there's
no
buried
power
lines
around.
I
just
agree
100
that
a
sidewalk
going
to
their
drive
creates
confusion,
and
you
know
I
see
the
traffic
there
every
day
and
it's
you
know
it's.
O
F
O
O
K
O
A
J
The
comment
about
the
the
golf
course
is
moot
in
my
opinion,
because
the
main
view
that
most
of
the
public
see
of
this
property
is
when
they
come
off
the
exit
at
56th
street
and
look
at
this
property
directly
head-on
and
right
now,
it's
green
and
and
many
people
most
people
know
what's
there.
But
it
seems
to
me
that
some
kind
of
landscape
design
with
trees
would
substantially
improve
the
look
of
the
property
and
therefore
improve
the
value
of
the
institution.
J
A
H
To
throw
on
another
alternative,
I
agree.
I
agree
strongly
that
the
sidewalk
doesn't
seem
to
make
sense
because
it
is
confusing.
I
also
bike
down
here.
If
you're
biking
on
56,
that's
dangerous
and
uncomfortable,
and
there
is
no
signage.
I
agree
with
you
to
cross
the
street
on
that
either.
So
I
don't
understand
the
point
of
the
sidewalk
all
the
way
to
the
driveway.
H
I
guess
I
could
see
a
side
or
something
that
goes
from
the
edge
of
the
bridge
directly
to
the
door.
Maybe
if
it's
not
unreasonably
costly
the
overhead
power
lines,
although
based
on
discussions
before
it
seems
like
a
reasonable
cost-
and
it
also
seems
like
the
only
thing
that
that
power
line
is
doing
is
risking
that
thing
coming
down
a
storm
having
to
be
fixed
later,
it
seems
like
it's
not
expensive.
I
guess
I
don't
understand.
H
O
K
Well,
I
guess
I'll
share
one
more
comment
since
we're
all
sharing.
I
disagree
to
the
waiver
of
the
sidewalk,
primarily
because
it's
not
going
to
be
the
same
width
as
the
trail,
one
and
two
we're
basically
undermining
bicyclist
intelligence
by
saying
they
will
go
all
the
way
down
to
the
driveway
when
they
notice
that
there's
a
change
in
the
width
of
the
trail
and
the
sidewalk,
and
the
second
point
I
wanted
to
make
is
that
this
is
a
hospice.
K
There
are
people
that
work
here,
people
that
need
to
take
a
break
from
everything
that's
going
on
within
those
walls
they
can
easily
get
on
the
sidewalk
on
the
trail,
go
for
a
walk
on
their
break
on
their
lunch
breaks
right
now
they
have
to
cross
all
these
trees
walk
in
an
unpaved
surface
to
get
to
the
other
side
of
the
street
or
to
get
to
the
south
side
of
the
of
the
trail.
So
that's
why
I
will
be
in
opposition
of
waiver
to
the
to
the
sidewalk.
K
A
C
A
Okay
item
number:
six:
requests
from
onpoint
investments,
llc
represented
by
mitch,
colossi
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
type
2
design
alternative
in
accordance
with
city
code
for
property,
located
at
2406,
with
an
avenue
waiver
of
the
requirement
that
a
two
household
use
may
only
occupy
a
structure
that
was
constructed
for
two
household
units
waiver.
The
requirement
that
allows
no
more
than
25
percent
of
a
front.
Our
yard
area
to
be
covered
waiver
of
the
requirement
to
construct
a
minimum
of
120
square
foot
storage
shed
for
each
household
unit.
D
D
D
D
D
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
the
two
entry
doors
are
can
kind
of
be
made
out
here.
It's
my
understanding.
It's
an
upper
level
unit
and
a
main
floor
unit
in
terms
of
the
configuration
of
the
property
internally
and
then
a
couple
of
streetscape
views.
Looking.
This
is
to
the
west
along
woodland
avenue,
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
excusing
to
the
east
along
woodland
avenue.
To
give
you
a
little
bit
of
context
of
the
street.
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
Staff
believes
that
the
two
household
residential
use
is
appropriate.
The
parcel
is
in
proximity
to
a
neighborhood
node
that
is
designated
in
plan
dsm,
it's
a
block
off
of
ingersoll
avenue.
It's
has
reasonable,
walking
distance
to
transit
along
ingersoll
avenue.
The
dwelling
was
originally
constructed
as
a
single
family
unit.
As
I
mentioned,
it
lost
its
grandfather
rights
to
operate
as
a
fourplex,
so
it's
being
having
a
density
reduction
down
to
2
units.
D
D
We
did
receive
a
few
comments
from
the
neighborhood
association
as
well
as
neighbors.
They
were
in
opposition
to
what
the
applicant
is
proposing
here.
The
neighborhood
association
submitted
a
letter
in
opposition
earlier
this
summer
when
the
rezoning
came
forward,
so
they
were
in
opposition
to
the
rezoning.
They
are
also
in
opposition
to
these
type
2
design
alternatives
in
terms
of
allowing
a
duplex
to
operate
in
the
home,
as
well
as
in
opposition
to
the
front
yard
impervious
area,
and
they
feel
that
shed
should
be
required
in
order
to
provide
the
tenants
with
some
storage
area.
D
J
H
D
The
sheds
aren't
shown
on
the
site
plan.
However,
they
would
be
located
in
the
rear
yard,
there's
really
no
specific
location
that
they
would
have
to
be
placed.
They
would
just
have
to
be
a
minimum
of
five
feet
off
any
of
the
side
or
rear
property
lines
and
at
least
three
feet
away
from
the
primary
structure.
So
there's
flexibility
in
terms
of
their
placement
in
the
rear
yard.
D
D
D
A
Q
My
name
is
mitch
kalouzi.
I
live
at
2421
high
street,
which
is
adjacent
to
this
property.
I
represent
onpoint
investments
along
with
cluji
construction,
which
will
be
doing
the
renovations
we
own
several
properties
in
this
neighborhood
we've
owned
and
operated
this
facility
for
several
years.
I
believe
2014
was
acquisition
date
on
this.
Q
Filtered
as
many
of
the
requests
from
the
neighborhood
as
possible
to
accommodate
so
the
expansion
of
the
parking
area
that
puts
us
over
the
25
threshold,
there
is
the
support,
keeping
less
street
parking
available
for
this.
I
want
to
keep
in
mind.
We.
We
were
a
four
plex,
so
at
any
given
time
there
would
be
four
vehicles
parked
there
or
more,
depending
on
occupancy
load,
which
did
spill
over
on
the
woodland,
the
the
street
itself.
This
was
a
busy
street
with
the
density
reduction.
Q
Our
hope
is
that
there's
three
or
less
vehicles
on
site
we've
built
the
property
to
support
that
it
is
a
three-bedroom
unit
on
both
top
and
bottom
now,
but
given
location
given
the
transit
lines,
etc.
We
do
feel
that
we
can
adequately
park
on
site
with
the
extension
of
what's
there
as
far
as
the
additional
waiver
to
the
type
2
garage
piece.
It's
our
hope
that
the
commission
will
see
there
is
ample
storage
inside
of
these
units.
We
are
also
providing
about
600
square
foot
of
storage
in
the
basement
area.
Q
We
do
provide
lawn
service,
snow
service
et
cetera,
so
there
is
nothing
required
of
tenants
inside
of
this
property
to
maintain
the
lawn
there's,
adequate
storage
for
both
bikes
or
any
other
objects
that
you
might
have
both
in
the
basement,
which
is
an
exterior
entrance
too.
The
property,
as
well
as
the
front
porch
area
if
they
so
chose
to
put
it
there,
I'd,
be
more
than
willing
to
put
a
bike,
rack
or
anything
else
to
accommodate
bikes.
Q
Although
I
wouldn't
recommend
storage
outside
given
kind
of
the
downtown
issues
that
we've
seen
so
I'm
humbly
requesting
staff
is
not
supported
on
the
third
piece
but
requesting
that
they
are
supported
for
the
other
two.
I
know
that's
difficult
for
me
to
articulate,
but
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
might
exist
in
so
far
as
this
project.
Oh
one
more
thing
that
I
do
want
to
mention,
the
neighborhood
was
opposed
to
this
expansion.
They
still
are.
Q
We've
come
in
front
of
this
board
once
already
to
ask
for
permission
to
rezone
this.
We
also
were
in
front
of
city
council
and
we
were
upheld
and
rezoned
to
support
the
duplex
conversion
from
single-family
zoning
with
the
blanketing.
So
I
understand
that
they're
opposed
to
it.
I
humbly
request
that
we
look
at
the
greater
good,
as
well
as
the
density
aspects
of
what
this
project
offers.
F
Q
I
Thank
you.
My
name
is
catherine
porter.
I
live
at
821
30th
street
and
I'm
actually
here
representing
the
woodland
heights
organization.
We
do
still
oppose
this
property
operating
as
a
duplex.
We
feel
like.
Overall,
it
is
out
of
character
with
the
neighborhood
and
goes
against
the
goals
of
our
city,
recognized
neighborhood
plan
to
return
to
single
family
dwellings
whenever
possible.
I
In
terms
of
the
additional
impervious
surface.
Will
we
appreciate
that
we're
there's
an
attempt
to
provide
off
street
parking
in
a
location
where
there's
extremely
limited
on
street
parking?
We
do
not
feel
like
it
will
provide
enough
space
for
the
number
of
vehicles
associated
with
two
three
bedroom
units.
I
I
D
H
C
H
It's
both,
I
mean
we're,
saying
we're
saying
that
we
expect
to
have
way
more
than
this
number
of
cars
that
the
driveway
can
support
is
that
is
that
a
supportable
assertion?
Should
we
be
expecting
five
cars
in
this
driveway
or
are
we
thinking
that
two
to
three
is
actually
an
accurate
estimate
that
should
be
in
this
drive.
C
We
would
from
a
parking
perspective,
we
need
to
rely
on
the
parking
standards
in
chapter
135,
which
would
you
know,
set
the
number
of
spaces
that
you
have
to
provide
per
unit
beyond
that?
That's
that's
kind
of
what
the
city
code
says
for
us.
Kyle.
Do
you
know
off
top
of
your
head?
What
the
required
minimum
was.
Is
it
one
per
unit?
I
believe.
D
C
H
G
C
C
F
A
Q
I
appreciate
staff
pointing
out
and
also
the
dialogue
around
this.
I
would
be
happy
to
pave
the
entirety
of
the
front
yard
to
get
more
parking
here,
but
I
think
that's
more
out
of
character
for
the
neighborhood
and,
I
believe,
immediately
adjacent
neighbors
would
like
us
to
get
rid
of
the
additional
entrance
to
the
parcel.
I
also
think
that's
more
in
support
of
city
code,
so
I
would
love
to
assist
with
additional
parking.
Q
If
that's
the
will
of
the
committee,
I
don't
think
that
that
would
gain
approval
from
neighborhood
either
as
far
as
again
towards
the
request
for
waiver.
If
this
was
a
side-by-side
duplex,
I
would
be
in
strong
support
of
sheds
that
type
of
thing
if
there
was
an
additional
storage
available,
I
believe,
after
talking
with
staff
and
going
through,
that
the
intent
is
storage
for
those
sheds,
and
I
think
it
adds
an
additional
maintenance
item
to
the
property.
It
also
diminishes
the
use
of
the
rear
yard
further.
N
K
H
K
M
Right
and
if
the
basement
is
being
proposed
as
the
use
of
storage,
that
again
would
presumably
I
don't
know
the
layout
of
it,
but
it
would
be
a
shared
storage
space
so
by
providing
one
shed,
you're,
potentially
providing
a
storage
area
for
one
unit
and
the
basement
as
a
storage
area
for
another
unit.
I'm
sure
that's,
probably
something
you
would
have
wanted
to
comment
on.
H
This
is
where
maybe
I'm
just
new
and
we're
not
understanding,
because
I
guess
I
see
it
sounds
like
there's
precedent
for
requiring
sheds.
It
also
seems
like
the
purpose
of
the
sheds
is
also
for,
like
bikes
and
things,
and
if
we're
saying
that
we're
cool
with
two
cars
per
driveway,
that
assumes
we're
going
to
be
using
public
transit,
which
seems
like
we
would
need
more
outdoor
gear
being
stored
than
me
wanting
to
drag
something
down.
H
N
A
A
All
right,
we'll
move
on
to
item
number,
seven
requests
from
jose
chavez
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing,
site
plan
and
a
type
2
design
alternative
in
accordance
with
city
code
for
property,
located
at
1420
east
16th
street,
to
allow
an
attached
carport
to
be
construction
within
two
feet
of
a
north
side.
Lot
kyle.
D
Good
evening,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
kyle
larson
city
planning
staff
final
item
on
the
agenda
tonight
is
1420.
East
16th
street
applicant
is
proposing
to
attach
a
carport
over
their
driveway,
which
is
within
two
feet
of
the
north
side.
Lot
line
where
seven
foot
setback
is
required
by
code.
D
D
D
D
This
is
a
71.42
decrease
from
the
required
7
foot
setback
believes
the
requested
design
alternative
would
not
be
in
character
with
the
surrounding
area.
Staff
is
not
supportive
of
the
requested
waiver
for
reduced
side
yard
setback,
which
is
why
we
request
recommending
denial
of
the
type
2
design
alternative
for
the
setback.
H
H
D
I
don't
know
when
that
was
constructed,
but
it's
entirely
possible
that
it
would
have
been
constructed
under
the
old
zoning
code
which
the
requirements
could
have
been
different.
They
also
could
have
sought
relief
from
the
board
of
adjustment
or
planning
zoning
commission
to
have
that
edition
located
closer
to
the
property
line
too.
I
can't
really
speak
to
that,
but
that's
likely
how
that.
R
R
Also
with
creating
this
project
is
we're
not
going
to
be
destroying
anything
on
the
other
side
of
the
property.
We're
just
going
to
be
creating
this
project
in
our
property.
We're
not
going
to
be
constructing
anything
on
the
other
side
of
the
owner,
the
white
house,
owner
and
yeah.
It's
nothing's
gonna
be
destroyed.
It's
just
gonna
be
strict
on
our
property.
S
S
The
neighbor
to
the
north
of
me
has
a
carport
which
is
right
on
our
lot
lines
and
I've
never
had
a
problem
with
it.
It
hasn't
caused
any
distractions
to
my
property
or
anything.
So
I
see
no
reason
why
he
shouldn't
be
allowed
to
have
it.
Unless
I
do
have
a
question,
the
city
is
planning
on
zoning.
Our
street
commercial.
C
No,
the
no
there's
no
plans
to
zone
anything
commercial
here,
hey
the
staff
analysis
on
this
really
has
to
do.
Does
it
impact
the
neighbor?
That's
the
whole
point
of
setbacks.
We
just
felt
that
being
two
feet
away
from
the
property
line
might
impact
the
neighbor
to
the
north.
That
was
the
basis
of
our
report,
has
nothing
to
do
with
any
other
elements
or
plans
or.
A
J
You
know
there
is
around
the
school
up
on
what's
the
school
up
by
by
hula
avenue
on
the
on
the
east
side
of
the
freeway
as
it
bends
up
to
the
north.
There
is
a
discussion
that,
right
now
it's
zoned,
I
think
light
industrial
or
some
such
and
there
was
some
talk
with
the
city
to
down
zone.
That,
as
I
remember,
could
you
address
that.
That
might
be
what
you
were.
C
J
Like
to
voice
the
other
side
of
the
coin,
okay,
if,
if
I
were
the
neighbor
to
the
to
the
south,
I
guess
and
the
carport
is
almost
on
the
property
line,
I'm
thinking
about
rain
and
runoff,
and
I'm
thinking
about
snow
and
runoff
and
regardless
of
the
property
owner
that
is
in
that
house.
Now
that
property
owner
isn't
going
to
be
there
forever
and
the
carport's
going
to
be
there
for
quite
a
while.