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From YouTube: 8-24-22 City Council Quarterly Work Session
Description
Des Moines City Council quarterly work session on Wednesday, August 24, 2022.
Strategic Discussions:
00:00:00 Roundabouts
00:51:13 BRAVO
01:21:41 Animal Rescue League (ARL) Update
02:26:57 Energy Efficiency
03:18:00 Trust for Public Land's ParkScore
04:45:46 Internet Providers
05:29:51 Electrification Technologies
06:38:22 Tree Challenge
06:52:46 Municipal Service Center - Phase 2 Update
06:55:47 Council Board Updates
View the agenda at https://DSM.city/CouncilMeetings
A
Quick
that,
obviously,
we've
got
a
full
schedule,
thanks
council,
for
arranging,
for
these
conversations
and
the
first
of
which
we
have
a
guest
speaker
as
well
as
our
own
staff,
presenting
and
roundabouts,
are
something
we
have
a
few
of,
but
we're
going
to
have
a
few
more
coming.
So
we
wanted
to
make
sure
everyone
understood
how
these
are
working
and
we're
not
alone
in
this
effort.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
john
davis
or
traffic
engineer.
B
B
Additionally,
we
have
in
the
early
stages,
as
you
well
know,
the
a
city-wide
transportation
safety
action
plan
that
is
being
developed,
aligning
it
with
the
vision,
zero
principles
as
well
as,
what's
called
a
safe
systems
approach
again
to
promote
safety
sustainability
as
well
as
mobility.
Those
are
some
of
the
that's
as
a
next
step
to
our
our
master
plan.
B
Back
in
march
of
this
year,
staff
participated
in
a
virtual
conference
of
the
institute
of
transportation
engineers,
which
is
a
community
of
transportation
professionals,
not
only
engineers,
but
also
planners
data
scientists
and
others
that
are
interested
in
the
transportation
industry.
During
that
plenary
session
that
opened.
That
conference
was
a
presentation
on
roundabouts.
The
overall
theme
of
the
conference
was
innovations
in
transportation.
B
As
part
of
that
opening
plenary
session
mayor,
james
brainerd
from
carmel
indiana,
was
featured
as
a
speaker.
Along
with
his
city
engineer,
we
were,
I
observed
that
those
those
remarks
and
felt
that
they
would
be
appropriate
to
share
with
you
as
we
embark
on
developing
and
installing
more
roundabouts
in
our
community,
to
learn
from
the
almost
25
years
of
experience
that
the
city
of
carmel
has
had
in
changing
out
their
intersections
to
now
having
almost
140
or
really,
I
believe,
over
140
roundabouts
in
their
community.
C
So
we
we're
looking
at
transportation
seminars
or
transportation
systems
a
number
of
years
ago,
when
I
first
became
mayor
and
we
looked
at
how
the
us
had
been
working.
You
know
building
since
world
war
ii,
and
we
first
got
over
25
car
ownership,
and
so
we
thought
there
must
be
a
better
way.
People
spend
so
much
time,
especially
commuters.
C
We
have
now
built
141
roundabouts
in
our
city,
more
than
any
other
city
in
north
america,
and
I
believe,
more
than
most
places
in
the
world.
There
may
be
one
city
in
england
that
has
a
few
more
we're
down
to
10,
12,
stop
lights
and
some
of
those
are
coming
out
soon,
as
as
our
summer
construction
season
starts.
C
I
think
you
might
find
interesting
our
fatality
statistic
on
a
per
capita
basis.
We
we've
been
averaging
the
last
five
years,
our
trading
average
about
1.9
fatalities
a
year.
The
u.s
average
is
eleven
per
hundred
thousand
per
year
in
indianapolis,
which
we
share
straight
with
same
drivers,
same
weather,
they're,
they're,
right
at
the
national
average
of
eleven
per
hundred
thousand
per
year.
We
have
two
other
communities
in
indiana:
one
is
as
high
as
twenty
four
hundred
thousand
one's,
almost
thirty
per
hundred
thousand.
C
C
However,
the
question
is:
what
type
of
creation
are
we
going
to
get
and
what's
the
damage
from
that
crash?
No
one
in
this
room
has
ever
sped
up
to
go
through
a
yellow
light,
correct
we
all
have,
and
we
all
know
we
have-
maybe
red,
sometimes
or
pink,
and
even
a
green
light.
People
involuntarily
speed
up
to
get
there
before
it
turns,
yellow
or
red,
so
intersections
become
dangerous
places
and,
of
course,
at
a
roundabout.
We
eliminate
left-hand
turns
which
are
the
most
dangerous
movement.
C
Cost
becomes
important
because
local
governments
never
have
enough
money
to
do
everything
they'd
like
to
do,
and
so
we
know
that
a
cost
of
a
stoplight
installed
with
turn
lanes
depending
on
whether
it's
in
a
hurricane
prone
area
or
somewhere
else
like
caramel,
where
we
don't
have
hurricanes
and
it's
at
least
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
intersection.
Now,
if
we're
taking
out
a
stop
light
and
putting
it
around
about,
that's
a
lot
of
additional
cost.
But
if
we
have
a
stop
sign,
four-way
two-way
stop
and
are
installing
a
better
intersection.
C
We
we
know
that
that
intersection
will
be
a
lot
less
if
we
use
a
roundabout.
We
also
know
that
there's
a
charge
for
electricity
depending
you
know,
the
amount
depends
on
where
we
live,
but
a
substantial
amount,
even
with
leds.
Those
big
strong
lights
that
run
24
7
draw
a
lot
of
electricity.
We
also
know
that
when
there's
electrical
storm
we
don't
have
to
send
the
police
officers
are
there
to
direct
traffic.
The
roundabout
continues
to
work,
but
here's,
I
think
the
most
important
cost
savings
so
many
times.
C
Somebody
like
me
non-engineer,
but
a
mayor
or
a
city
council,
member
or
city
manager
in
some
states
gets
a
call.
The
congestion
is
terrible.
You've
got
to
do
something,
and
so
the
city
engineer
then
gets
a
caller.
The
consulting
engineer
gets
a
call.
What
do
we
do
and
the
traditional
answer
has
been
well:
let's
increase
lane
capacity
between
all
the
stop
lights.
That
way
we'll
be
able
to
get
more
people
through
the
intersection.
I've
always
maintained
that
it's
not
about
lane
capacity,
but
about
intersection
capacity.
C
C
C
Some
may
call
it
putting
in
a
green
median
moving
the
sidewalks
out
in
some
cases,
adding
bike
lanes,
one
lane
in
each
direction,
but
we've
observed
the
trip
times
do
not
increase
because
we
took
out
the
stop
lights
and
installed
roundabouts
traffic
moves
at
about
the
same
speed.
It
did.
We
have
a
much
more
attractive
strength,
a
safer
street
and
less
asphalt
and
less
cost.
C
C
We
all
remember
physics
class
in
high
school.
I
don't
remember
it
with
fondness,
but
I
do
remember
it
and
I
remember
learning
that
a
car
that
that
or
any
heavy
object
that
goes
from
zero
to
15
miles
per
hour,
uses
a
lot
more
energy
than
it
takes
once
you
have
momentum
in
going
from
15
to
30
miles
an
hour.
C
So
when
a
car
is
stopped
at
a
traffic
light
and
at
least
half
the
cars
are
stopped
half
the
time
in
most
scenarios,
it's
just
sitting
there
burning
fossil
fuels
and
then,
when
it
starts
out,
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
energy
used
at
the
roundabouts.
Theoretically
and
most
of
the
time
there
may
be
some
stopping
during
peak
hours,
but
most
of
the
time
you're
going
to
just
slow
down
and
go
through,
and
you
won't
slow
to
more
than
12
to
20
miles
per
hour
to
go
through
that
roundabout.
C
C
You
know
we
do
it
in
printed
city
newsletters.
We
do
it
in
digital
forum.
We
do
to
neighborhood
meetings,
we
try
to
what
the
journalists
call
evergreen
articles
and
they
want
to
go
on
vacation
over
the
holidays
or
school
break.
They
need
articles
to
put
the
paper,
and
so
we
said
well,
you
can
always
do
a
roundabout
safety
article.
C
First
of
all,
you
only
have
to
look
one
way
when
you
cross
the
roundabout,
and
you
have
a
place
of
refuge
with
that
small
triangular
island
between
the
two
lanes.
Then
you
stop
look
the
other
way,
but
the
real
key
is
that,
if
somebody's
hit
by
a
moving
vehicle
at
40,
50
60
miles
an
hour,
their
chances
of
surviving
are
very
slim.
C
If
they're
hit
by
a
vehicle
at
15
to
20
miles
per
hour,
they're
going
to,
they
may
be
hurt
they're
going
to
be
okay,
they're
going
to
live,
and
it's
all
about
when
that
accident
occurs.
What
what
the
damage
is?
We
we
all
think
that
that
there's
a,
I
think,
there's
a
false
sense
of
safety,
as
we
know
from
the
recent
data
and
big
cities
across
the
world.
C
During
the
pandemic,
this
had
this
huge
increase
in
pedestrian
deaths,
many
of
them
at
stoplight,
controlled
intersections
when
error
occurs
at
high
speeds,
the
results
very
bad
when
an
error
occurs
at
slow
speeds.
The
result
is
not
nearly
as
bad
and
that's
what
the
roundabouts
do
with
their
traffic
calming
capability.
B
So
this
time,
I'd
like
to
bring
into
the
conversation
mayor,
james
ranner
from
carmel
indiana,
I
would
like
to
first
thank
the
mayor
for
joining
us.
I
believe
he's
on
personal
time
he's
traveling,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
time
zone
he's
in,
but
he
was
gracious
enough
to
find
time
in
his
schedule
for
this
morning
to
join
us
for
to
discuss
some
of
the
experiences
and
answer
any
of
your
questions
that
you
might
have
about.
B
C
I
have
enjoyed
a
close
and
good
relationship
with
your
mayor
for
many
years
as
we
serve
on
the
board
of
the
us
congress
and
mayors
together
and
have
visited
des
moines
and
I'm
thrilled
that
you
are
spending
time
thinking
about
roundabouts
and
and
safety
issues.
I
I
think
it's
one
of
the
things
that
governments
can
can
really
local
governments
can
improve
so
much
on
the
quality
of
lives
if
we
can
make
our
intersections
and
driving
experience
and
pedestrian
experience
safer
and
more
efficient,
and
so
listen
to
that
clip.
C
It's
always
interesting
to
listen
to
yourself,
but
since
that
was
made,
this
spring
we've
opened
four
more
roundabouts
one
as
recently
as
last
week,
and
we
have
two
more
that
should
open
before
the
winter
weather
set
setting.
We
have
to
stop
construction,
so
by
the
end
of
october
we
should
be
early
november.
We
should
have
about
146
roundabouts
in
our
city.
C
C
So
we
found
as
we
started
our
roundabout
program
in
carmel
years
ago.
If
we
took
a
corridor
and
did
several
intersections
in
a
row
and
and
made
that
one
chord
work
better,
then
we'd
move
to
a
different
corridor
as
opposed
to.
Of
course,
we
were
taking
an
eye,
a
very
close
look
at
where
the
most
injury
accidents
were
too,
as
we
prioritized
our
money,
but
we'd
also
try
to
do
a
whole
corridor
at
one
time,
because
the
improvements
were
dramatic
in
that
case,
but
mixing
up
stoplights
and
ran
about
stuff.
D
E
D
You
I
didn't
want
anybody,
get
it
mistaken
for
that
other
place,
but
I
have
had
a
chance
to
experience
your
city
and
it
it.
I
think
you
have
done
a
great
job
with
those
roundabouts
in
your
city
is
one
that
functions
well
with
them,
but
with
that
I'd,
let's
open
it
up
and
see.
If
anybody
has
any
questions,
it
looks
like
carl
does
injured.
G
G
G
G
C
C
We
say
usually
five
to
eight
percent,
so
not
a
lot,
but
what
we
get
with
the
advantage
of
a
roundabout
over
the
stoplight
in
that
situation,
let's
say
we
have
three
corners
with
buildings
on
them,
and
one
corner
with
a
big
parking
lot
or
not.
A
building
roundabout
has
more
flexibility
as
to
where
you
place
it
than
a
stop
light
because
of
the
sight
lines
that
are
required
for
a
stoplight.
C
Pretty
much
has
to
be
right
in
the
center
of
those
two
roads,
a
roundabout
can
actually
be,
to
a
certain
extent,
shoved
off
in
one
of
the
corners
or
two
sides.
If
there's
buildings
on
the
other
side
or
lands
that
available
so
there's
more
flexibility
with
with
the
runabout
than
a
stop
light.
Of
course
it
depends
on
land
costs
and
underground
utilities,
which
have
to
be
moved
in
either
situation.
C
D
H
Hi
mare
brainerd
really
excited
to
have
you
here
talking
to
us
about
this.
I
had
a
couple
questions
mostly
about
my
first
one
is
about
roundabouts
and
pedestrian
crossings,
and
you
talked
about
that
a
little
bit.
I
was
just
kind
of
wondering
like
where,
like
where
the
crosswalks
go
and
like
you
talked
about
it,
cars
are
going
slower
and
there's
a
refuge
island,
and
so
the
fatality
numbers
were
really
impressive.
C
C
That's
again
a
question:
I
get
a
lot
from
my
own
constituents
and
others,
and
it's
a
really
good
question.
I
think
I'll
start
I
I
laugh
at
myself.
I
spent
a
large
portion
of
my
life
trying
to
explain
to
people
the
difference
between
rotaries
traffic
circles
and
modern
roundabouts.
John
davis
used
the
term.
C
I
think
it
was
trying
to
use
the
term
modern
roundabouts,
and
let
me
tell
you
a
story
about
the
first
consulting
engineer
I
spoke
to
in
january
1996
my
first
month
on
the
job,
and
I
should
mention
too,
that
the
elected
mayors
in
indiana
are
in
essence,
city
managers.
We
don't
have
a
city
manager
system
like
you
do
so
that's
really
my
role
in
addition
to
all
the
political
things
that
the
mayor's
expected
to
do,
and-
and
so
I
was
in
a
meeting
with
one
of
the
go-to
consulting
engineers.
C
Experts
in
the
country
now
in
roundabouts
many
27
years
later,
but
he
looked
at
me
and
said
I
will
not
put
my
professional
stamp
on
a
roundabout
plan,
they're
taking
them
out
up
in
new
england
because
they're
dangerous-
and
you
know
I
was
a
history,
major
and
a
lawyer,
so
I
didn't
know
better
I,
but
I
had
seen
them
work
when
I
was
in
grad
school
in
england
many
years
earlier.
So
it
was,
you
know,
cold
winter
saturday.
I
didn't
have
anything
to
do
and
I
drove
up
to
the
purdue.
C
You
know
at
indiana's
engineering
college
in
public
engineering
colleges,
purdue
university,
it's
about
an
hour
and
a
half
away.
So
I
drove
up
there.
One
saturday
found
the
library
and
found
some
articles
distinguishing
the
difference
between
roundabouts
and
traffic
circles
and
rotaries,
and
the
differences
are
basically
the
rotaries
and
traffic
circles
are
much
bigger.
You
know
we
think
of
chevy
chase,
you
know
going
around
and
around
or
we
think
of
dupont,
circle
or
in
in
washington
or
columbus
circle
in
new
york
city.
C
Those
are
not
modern
roundabouts,
they're,
big
old-fashioned
traffic
circles
and
they
are
more
dangerous,
particularly
for
pedestrians,
because
speeds
are
higher.
There
are
always
many
many
lanes.
I
think
the
arctic
crown
from
paris
is
eight
lanes
or
nine
lanes,
some
crazy
thing
and
they
had
to
build
a
you
know
an
underground
walkway
to
get
into
the
center
to
see
the
arch.
C
So
when
you
think
about
pedestrians
and
modern
roundabouts,
it's
important,
I
think,
for
the
public
not
to
confuse
roundabouts
with
rotaries
or
traffic
circles,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
those
in
the
northeast
and
the
mid-atlantic
states
in
this
country,
and
we
have,
you
know,
we're
a
suburban.
He
is
a
big
mentor
and
we
have
a
lot
of
people
from
we
from
other
places,
and
I've
had
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
the
differences,
because
those
rotaries,
the
consulting
engineer
was
correct.
C
Those
rotaries
are
more
dangerous
and
new
jersey
and
other
states
are
gradually
taking
them
out
and
sometimes
replacing
them
with
modern
roundabouts
much
smaller.
So
what
we've
we're?
Also
a
city
that
was
mainly
25
years
ago.
That's
my
sorry
about
that.
My
ring
doorbell
somebody's
at
my
house,
two
thousand
miles
away
the,
but.
C
What
we
found
so
what
we
did?
We
entered
in
a
series
of
public
private
partnerships
to
build
a
very
traditional
downtown
and
it
put
roundabouts
in
this
heavily
pedestrianized
area,
where
we
have
a
lot
of
mixed-use
five-story
buildings
and
some
of
the
national
jeff's
backgrounds
that
initially
we're
working
with.
You
may
be
familiar
with
this.
He
wrote
the
book
suburban
nation
rise,
isis,
foreign
following
the
american
dream
and
walcott
city
he's
a
friend
who
was
initially
critical
of
putting
these
in
urban
areas,
but
it's
turned
out
just
fine.
C
C
So
if
you
enter
the
roundabout
instead
of
a
stop
bar
there's
a
yield
bar
the
triangular
painted
symbol
on
the
road
and
there's
a
sign,
of
course
under
standard
dlt,
federal
dlt
standards,
so
they're
consistent
from
state
to
state,
there's
a
sign
that
says
yield
and
then
about
one
car
length
back
is
the
crosswalk
you
walk
to
that
refuge
island.
Look
the
other
way
and
walk
across
the
other
traffic
coming
from
the
opposite
direction,
but
because
people
are
going
slower,
cars
stop.
C
C
If
people
don't
train
themselves
to
look
to
make
sure
everybody's
actually
stopped
as
a
pedestrian,
there
can
be
a
tragedy
and
it's
not
common,
but
you
know
what's
here
right:
one
percent
one-tenth
percent.
When
that
happens,
and
a
car
going
30
40
50
miles
an
hour
hit
somebody
in
a
crosswalk
that
thought
they
were
safe.
C
C
C
H
That
is
very
helpful.
Thank
you.
I
can
also
see
you're
talking
about
eliminating
left-hand
turns,
and
I
can
see
how
that
would
also
eliminate
the
issue
of
like
right-hand
turns
and
not
checking
for
pedestrians
or
right-hand
turns,
because
everything
would
be
essentially
the
same
as
you
enter
the
intersection.
C
D
H
My
second
question
was
just
about
communicating
with
residents.
You
talked
about
re-entering
your
talking
points.
Have
you
run
into
a
lot
of
issues
because
I
don't
know,
I
won't
say
we've
all
seen,
but
I've
definitely
seen
you
know:
videos
of
people
misusing
roundabouts
that
have
gone
into
cities,
and
I
was
wondering
how
much
you
ran
into
issues
of
communicating
with
residents
about
how
to
use
roundabouts
or
if
you
found
that
your
methods
of
reiterating
them
in
multiple
media
outlets
was
enough.
C
You
know
I
see
people
misusing
roundabouts
and
caramel
every
single
day
of
the
year.
The
difference
is,
we
don't
have
tragic
accidents
because
of
it
because
of
the
slow
speeds
there
there's
definitely
a
learning
curve
for
drivers,
especially
in
our
case
out
of
town
drivers,
we're
in
employment
center
in
the
indianapolis
metro.
C
I
just
saw
a
study
yesterday
that
the
police
department
had
done
that
70
percent
of
our
drivers
in
the
daytime
are
from
out
of
town,
and
so
so
that
creates
problems,
particularly
if
people
aren't
familiar
with
the
roundabouts,
our
local
residents,
love
them
and
like
them.
At
this
point
I
couldn't
take
one
out.
If
I
wanted
to
the
only
questions
I
get.
When
can
I
get
my
stop
light?
Replacing
and
their
stop
light
is
the
one
nearest
their
house
or
their
business.
Of
course,
the
we
use
multiple.
C
You
know
we
started
this
in
the
early
90s,
so
we
weren't
using
social
media
much,
but
we
had
a
city
newsletter
newsletter,
a
print
we
still
have
it
goes.
It
also
goes
out
virtual
or
it
goes
out
as
an
email
as
well
today.
So
we
put
a
lot
of
information
there.
We
had
our
city
tv
channel,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
clip
that
you
were
shown
in
the
beginning.
C
They
want
to
be
in
their
family
and
they,
you
know
they
still
have
to
publish
paper
or
still
have
to
have
a
tv
news
broadcast,
and
so
we
try
to
suggest
they're
around
about
safety,
get
it
in
the
can
have
their
in
advance,
because
it's
not
really
dated
news,
which
is
news,
and
and
so
we
constantly
do
it.
We
have
a
lot
of
new
people.
Of
course,
moving
as
our
city
has
grown,
a
lot
of
new
people
have
moved
there.
C
C
The
first
year
we
didn't
have
much
of
a
budget
bank
and
the
city
was
25
000
when
I
took
over
in
1996
and
we're
building
our
first
round
about
97,
and
I
actually
pulled
some
videos
from
the
uk
about
safety
and
roundabouts
and
and
checked,
and
they
gave
us
permission
to
use
them.
We
ran
them
on
our
government
tv
channel.
C
Of
course
we
had
to
put
a
little
disclaimer
along
the
bottom,
that
you
know
everything's
backwards,
but
the
principles
were
still
the
same,
so
we
pulled
from
a
colorado,
had
some
had
a
couple
roundabouts
off
I-70
at
the
ski
resorts
and
bay
on
beaver
creek,
and
they
had
a
video
too.
That
showed
how
to
use
them
and
we
used
that
one,
even
though
it
didn't
say,
caramel
people
found
it
interesting.
I
think,
to
watch
those
and
helpful.
D
H
C
Let
me
step
back
for
a
minute
before
I
talk
about
public
art
and
roundabouts,
but
but
we
we
a
lot
of
people
say
well,
you
put
a
big
flower
in
the
middle
or
you
build
up
the
middle
of
the
roundabout
or
put
a
piece
of
sculpture.
I
can't
see
a
cross
and
I
look
at
that
person
and
kind
of
smile.
We
did
that
for
you,
because
you're
not
supposed
to
look
across
the
roundabout
you're
only
supposed
to
look
to
the
left
to
the
gap.
Just
as
when
you
get
on
the
interstate.
C
You
know.
People
in
the
midwest
generally
are
nice
people
and
they
see
somebody
coming
from
across
the
roundabout
and
they
sit
there
and
wait
to
the
great
frustration
the
person
behind
that
car
waiting
to
get
into
the
roundabout
too
or
several
cars
we
want
them
to
flow
well
and
building
up
the
middles
tends
to
be
a
way
to
do
that
because
it
without
people
realizing
it
it.
C
It
forces
them
to
look
to
the
left
of
the
gap,
which
is
what
you're
supposed
to
do
not
wait
until
the
entire
circle
is
clear
of
cars,
because
then
they
don't
function.
Very
well
so
one
of
the
things
we've
done
in
about
10
of
our
roundabouts
is
fairly
expensive.
Public
art,
beautiful
light
sculptures.
You
can
see
at
night
as
well
as
the
daytime
we've
got
one
near
school,
that's
a
big
rock
and
paper
and
scissors
we've
got
some
pop
art,
showing
sports
themes
near
some
of
our
kids
athletic
fields.
C
C
You
want
to
do
that
at
the
time
you
build
around
about
and
we
put
big
flower
urns,
sometimes
serpentine
low
fences
on
a
small
amount
of
23
feet
and
the
roundabouts
become
focal
points
and
really
help
enhance
property
values
in
the
area
and
look
so
much
better
than
stoplight,
with
all
the
wires
and
the
hanging
posts
and
so
on.
But
you
know
you're,
like
you
have
a
beautiful
river,
we
don't.
C
C
We
tend
to
spend
a
little
bit
extra
to
make
those
roads
beautiful
tree,
canopies
boulevards,
which
trees
down
the
middle
to
get
that
canopy
started
lots
of
flowers
and
landscaping
the
intersection
and
then
you
know
highly
traveled
certain
in
our
downtown
area
and
neighborhoods
as
well.
We
focus
on
public
art
and
percentage
of
the
roundabouts,
so
those
are
just
some
things
to
think
about.
I
think,
as
you
embark
on
building
more.
K
C
C
C
So
there
are
different
sizes,
I
guess
is
what
I'm
trying
to
say
the
ones
that
work
the
best
are
the
smaller
ones.
You
know
one
lane
in
a
circle.
We
have
a
lot
of
two
lane
roundabouts
and
you
know
we
have
standards.
Our
city
engineers
can
help
help
you,
our
consulting
engineers,
figure
out
what
size
works
the
best
in
our
experience,
but
it's
based
on
the
amount
of
projected
traffic
around
about
per
hour.
C
C
And
once
you
get
over
so
many
cars
per
hour,
it
needs
to
be
two
lanes,
not
one
lane.
Sometimes
we
put
in
what
are
called
slip
lanes
and-
and
so
let's
see
if
it
is
around
about
it's
one
lane,
we
don't
really
want
to
make
it
a
two-lane
roundabout,
but
at
rush
hour
coming
from
one
direction,
there's
heavy
traffic,
and
so
we
have
a
lane
where
that
cars
that
want
to
turn
right
in
in
that
busy
period,
don't
even
have
to
enter
the
roundabout.
C
They
can
go
into
that
slip
lane
and
then
yield
as
they
go
into
the
next
street
without
having
to
enter
the
roundabout,
and
that
increases
the
capacity
of
the
roundabout
without
having
to
make
it
a
two-lane
or
a
three-lane.
Roundabout
definitely
want
to
avoid
three-lane
roundabouts.
I
think
if
you
can
use
flip
lanes,
we've
done
that
successfully
in
several
of
our
projects.
C
Thank
you,
but
12
foot
lanes,
one
other
thing:
you
want
to
pay
attention
to
people
miss,
and
so
we
always
do
about
10
to
12,
maybe
even
15,
feet
of
hard
pavement
above
a
road
curb
in
the
center.
We
also
passed
an
ordinance,
a
local
ordinance,
which
I
eventually
got
into
state
law.
Saying
a
semi
or
a
bus
or
a
vehicle
of
a
certain
length,
can
use
two
lanes
in
a
two-lane
roundabout
because
they
need
to
those
big
vehicles
need
to
use
both
lanes
and
they
were
worried
from.
C
The
truckers
were
worried
from
a
liability
standpoint.
If
there
was
an
accident
they'd
be
at
fault
because
they
were
strangling
two
lanes.
So
we
said
that
you've
got
a
as
a
car
driver.
You
have
to
give
way
to
the
longer
vehicles.
Let
them
have
the
entire
roundabout
stay
behind
them,
and
they're
allowed
to
use
two
lanes
without
violating
the
law.
D
C
B
I
think
council,
member
from
from
our
perspective,
we're
we're
taking
the
lessons
learned
from
various
communities,
and
our
intention
is
to
start
a
educational
campaign
to
educate
folks
on
how
to
drive
a
roundabout
using
the
materials
that
are
currently
out
on
the
iowa
dot's
website.
The
driver's
manual
has
instructions
but
also
get
videos,
and
we
will
populate
our
websites,
our
social
media
outlets,
to
really
get
people
accustomed
to
to
understanding
that
really
a
roundabout
is
a
very
simple
and
straightforward
intersection
to
navigate.
B
E
M
B
But
I
think
the
point
the
point
you're
making
is,
we
need
to
accelerate
and
we
will
accelerate
our
educational
campaign
and
also
give
you
examples
of
what
will
the
traffic?
What
would
the
intersection
capacity
look
like
how
that
flow
will
be,
so
we
can
have
a
essentially
a
frequently
asked
questions
list
for
those
particular
roundabouts
and.
M
I
attended
the
department
of
transportation,
open
houses
regarding
east
14th
from
from
from
county
from
army
post
road,
clear
up
to
the
interstate
that
comes
right
through
a
heavily
residential
area
and
the
outcry
that
we're
hearing
from
neighbors
is
we
don't
want
this
in
our
neighborhood,
you
know,
and
and
because
the
it's
it's
gonna
take
up
too
much
too
much
land
of
those
property
owners
that
live
in
those
corners.
So
I
really
urge
us
to
start.
M
N
O
To
that
point,
because
I
hear
a
lot
that
we
don't
want
roundabouts,
but
is
there
a
video
that
shows
how
roundabout
actually
works
versus
a
stop?
Four-Way
stop,
so
people
visually
can
see
it
great
to
put
it
on
paper
visualize
how
it
goes
through,
because
I
don't
think
most
people
even
know
how
it
works.
So
if
there's
some
visual.
B
Yes,
there,
there
are
a
a
plethora
of
videos
available.
As
mayor
brainerd
mentioned
he
he
used
some
from
the
uk
initially,
but
we
have
several
that
we
have
access
to
that.
We
can
that
are
really
more
local
in
iowa
or
in
the
some
of
the
states
nearby.
That
will
give
that
example,
and
we
can
certainly.
O
C
G
O
B
B
They
they
can
talk
better
about
roundabouts
than
I
can,
because
they
they
drive
them
all
the
time
and,
as
mayor
brainer
pointed
out,
they
get
very
possessive
of
their
roundabouts
and
it's
they
would
like
to
see
the
city
of
indianapolis
see
more.
If
you
look
in
hamilton
county,
which
is
north
of
indianapolis,
almost
all
the
communities
in
that
area
have
roundabouts.
Now
and
when
I
go
back
and
visit
my
father,
it
is
very
interesting
from
my
standpoint
as
a
transformation
professional
to
see
all
the
roundabouts
and
the
success
they've
had
joe.
K
I
just
think
it's
it's
really
important,
and
he
mentioned
it
is
the
the
maintenance
of
of
the
middle
of
the
roundabout
that
we
were
able
to
whether
we
do
public
art
or
irrigation,
for
you
know
plantings
if
we're
going
to
put
grass
there,
they
need
to
be
maintained,
because
that
was
the
biggest
thing
that
we
had
in
easter
lake,
where
it
was
very
small
and
it
was
just
overrun
with
weeds
and-
and
so
I
I
think
you
know-
I'm
not
opposed
to
it.
I've
seen
it
work
in
other
cities.
K
I
think
they're
they're
beautiful
if
they're
maintained
and
they
work
perfectly
actually
the
traffic
flows
quicker
than
stopping
on
stoplight
each
time.
So
I
mean
I'm
not
opposed
to
it,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
do
it
right
as
far
as
the
maintenance
portion
of
it
and
I
and
I
do
agree
doing,
a
corridor
is
much
easier
than
just
doing
one
and
then
having
stop
lights
and
then
doing
another.
You
know
that
I
do.
K
I
have
seen
that
in
other
cities,
where
you
just
do
the
whole
corridor
and
everyone's
used
to
it
as
you
as
you
get
going
through
it,
and
so
that's
that's
my
two
cents
worth,
but
I
I
I
would
I
would
welcome
it.
I
think
that
we
can
train
our
our
residents
and
our
constituents
of
what
we
need
to
do,
but
it
definitely
needs
to
be
maintained
correctly.
Yes,
absolutely.
D
All
right
anybody
have
anything
else,
mayor
brainerd,
thank
you
so
much
for
taking
the
time
to
help
educate
us
about
roundabouts
and
john.
Thank
you
for
kind
of
organizing
this
appreciate
it.
I
think
we
all
need
to
be
kind
of
educated
on
it
and
and
we
all
meaning
our
residents
in
the
city
of
des
moines,.
C
N
P
E
P
Last
couple
of
years
how
the
cultural
sector
is
is
standing
now
and
a
little
bit
about
we're
finally
visioning
for
the
future
again,
which
is
really
exciting.
I
do
want
to
specifically
call
out
council
member
bozen,
who
represents
the
city
of
des
moines
on
the
bravo
board
and
does
a
great
job
of
helping
us
navigate.
All
of
the
all
of
the
questions
and
opportunities
that
we
have.
P
For
starters,
I'm
going
to
do
just
a
quick
refresher
about
bravo's
history.
Since
we
have
some
new
members
and
some
people,
it's
been
a
while,
since
I've
had
a
chance
to
chat
with
all
of
you.
Bravo
greater
des
moines
was
formed
in
2004
when
business
and
community
leaders
recognize
the
critical
role
that
quality
of
life
would
play
in
our
community's
future
and
determined
that
a
regional
entity
dedicated
to
arts
and
culture
would
not
only
be
efficient
but
also
tremendously
effective.
P
P
P
P
P
We
focus
primarily
on
advancing
those
regional
priorities,
knowing
that
arts
and
culture
can
and
should
be
tied
to
everything
we
focus
on
advancing
regional
priorities
and
the
regional
priorities
that
we
focus
on
were
identified
through
extensive
community
planning
work
that
was
done
primarily
des
moines
capital
crossroads
effort,
but
even
through
that
capital,
crossroads
project,
arts
and
culture
were
sort
of
seen
as
separate
from
it
wasn't
quite
as
directly
woven
into
that
plan.
So
in
2017
bravo
funded
and
led
a
regional
cultural
assessment.
P
We
took
the
catalyst
priorities
from
capital
crossroads
and
said:
how
can
we
make
sure
that
arts
and
culture
are
not
seen
as
separate
from
that,
but
are
deeply
integrally
tied
to
achieving
those
priorities
through
that
work,
which
was
led
by
an
independent
steering
committee
chaired
by
drake
university
president
marty?
Martin,
we
came
up
with
four
regional
cultural
priorities,
knowing
that,
if
we
concentrate
on
those
four
things,
we
will
advance
those
eight
things
and
people
will
help
see
that
arts
and
culture
are
really
making
a
huge
difference
for
our
community.
P
So
the
four
things
that
we
focus
on
as
an
organization
are
advancing
everyday
everywhere.
Art
more
spontaneous
connections
for
more
people-
it's
not
always
something
you
have
to
buy
a
ticket
to
strengthening
the
creative
economy.
We
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of
individual
artists
that
are
not
feeling
as
connected
and
welcomed
here
in
our
community.
P
We
need
to
make
sure
that
they
have
pathways
to
be
successful
and
effective
contributors,
cultural
tapestry,
making
sure
that
everyone
sees
arts
and
culture
as
diverse,
accessible,
inclusive
and
equitable
sees
their
own
experiences
expressed
in
the
programs
that
are
presented
and
finally,
youth
connections.
Of
course,
we
know
that
young
people
that
have
more
access
to
more
arts
and
culture
in
their
school
or
out
of
school
opportunities
as
they're
growing,
are
just
going
to
grow
up
to
be
better
citizens.
P
There's
a
lot
of
data
out
there,
they're
more
likely
to
graduate
from
college
they're
more
likely
to
vote
and,
most
importantly,
they
are
most
likely
to
come
back
to
the
community
in
which
they
were
raised
if
they
have
arts
and
culture
opportunities
as
young
people.
So
we
really
work
hard
to
advance
those
regional
priorities.
Knowing
that,
then
those
regional
priorities
will
advance
talent,
attraction,
diversity,
etc.
P
So
bravo's
mission,
then,
is
to
leverage
community
resources
to
maximize
the
impact
of
arts,
culture
and
heritage,
to
advance
regional
priorities,
and
the
strategy
we're
best
known
for
for
doing
that
is
certainly
our
grant
making
or
community
investment
is
what
we
call
it.
We
definitely
take
our
role
as
stewards
of
your
public
funds
very
seriously,
and
we
are
really
proud
of
the
work
that
we
do
on
behalf
of
des
moines
and
the
other
16
communities
that
invest
in.
Bravo,
I'm
proud
to
say
that,
on
your
behalf,
we've
invested
more
than
50
million
dollars
since
2006.
P
we
just
rolled
over
that
milestone
with
our
last
grant
cycle.
So
it's
considerable
investment
that
we've
been
able
to
provide
in
our
most
recent
grant
cycle.
We
funded
78
cultural
partners.
Those
are
our
non-profit
organizations
that
are
benefiting
across
the
region.
Those
partners
are
located
in
11
of
17
communities.
P
We
have
funded
there's,
sometimes
a
perception
that
bravo
really
only
supports
the
large
organizations,
we're
very
proud
of
all
of
the
investments
that
we
make.
But
it's
good
for
you
to
know
that
annual
operating
budgets
run
from
2
500
up
to
18
million.
We
do
have
a
wide
range
of
organizations
that
we're
supporting
and
bravo's
investments
vary
from
about
a
thousand
dollars
on
up
to
about
395
dollars.
So
again,
there
is
a
lot
of
diversity
in
the
organizations
that
we're
supporting
in
what
they
need
and
in
what
bravo's
able
to
provide.
P
That's
about
68
one
little
interesting
thing
that
we're
keeping
our
eye
on
is
that
that's
about
ten
more
organizations
than
we
had
in
our
pool
pre
pandemic,
ten
more
organizations
than
pre-pandemic
all
ten
of
the
new
organizations
are
headquartered
in
the
city
of
des
moines
and
we're
getting
our
arms
around.
Not
all
of
them
are
new
organizations.
P
Some
of
them
are
just
new
to
us,
but
we're
getting
our
arms
around
a
changing
landscape
and
it's
exciting
to
see
that
there
are
more
organizations
thriving
and
serving
our
community
des
moines
contributes
about
annually
about
33
percent
of
bravo's
total
revenue,
of
course,
that
varies
year
to
year
somewhat,
but
we're
somewhere
between
31
and
35
percent
from
the
city
of
des
moines.
But
given
the
high
volume
of
organizations,
headquartered
in
the
city
of
des
moines
des
moines
receives
actually
those
des
moines-based
organizations
receive
about
75
of
bravo's
total
grant-making
investments.
P
It's
really
we're
able
to
do
that,
because
des
moines
has
an
incredibly
robust
cultural
ecosystem
and
we
have
invested
a
tremendous
amount,
not
just
bravo,
but
the
city
in
general
has
invested
a
great
deal
in
21st
century
and
world-class
cultural
institutions.
We
have
a
nationally
recognized
professional
symphony.
We
have
an
internationally
acclaimed
art
center
and
public
sculpture
park,
a
zoo
that
serves
nearly
five
hundred
thousand
visitors
a
year,
a
hundred
and
ten
000
square
foot
science
center
and
a
14
acre,
botanical
garden.
P
These
are
incredible
amenities
that
we
are
able
to
offer
the
residents
and
visitors
to
our
city,
but
actually
it's
kind
of
only
the
beginning
of
what
des
moines
has
to
offer
these
large
marquee
institutions
are
exceptional,
but
there's
also
a
lot
of
depth.
As
I
said,
des
moines
also
boasts
mainframe
studios,
which
is
transforming
the
local
art
scene
in
a
first
of
its
kind
in
the
country
by
offering
permanent
and
affordable
workspace
to
artists.
P
P
Theater
introduces
students
and
their
families
to
the
transformative
power
of
theater,
and
their
goal
is
to
nurture
the
next
generation
of
artists
to
be
free
thinking,
open-minded
risk
takers.
What
a
wonderful!
What
a
wonderful
goal
for
an
arts
organization
city
voices
is
another
one.
It
was
founded
on
the
premise
that
the
study
of
music
certainly
makes
a
positive
difference
in
the
lives
of
young
people,
but
it's
difficult
to
afford
private
lessons.
P
If
you
are
looking
to
pursue
music
or
voice
as
a
career
and
especially
in
urban
areas
where
those
are
often
unaffordable
and
unattainable,
so
city
voices
was
formed
to
provide
those
private
music
lessons
to
students
that
want
to
pursue
it,
but
might
not
be
economically
positioned
to
do
so.
It's
a
wildly
successful
organization
and
it
allows
many
many
students
again
from
des
moines
public
schools,
primarily
to
study
privately
the
des
moines
music
coalition.
Hopefully
some
of
you
attended
80
35
and
had
a
good
time.
P
Their
mission
is
to
build
a
stronger
and
more
diverse
music
community
and
cultivate
a
music
economy
in
greater
des
moines,
again,
feeding
that
creative
economy
and
then
finally,
art
force
iowa,
another
great
organization,
creating
opportunities
to
transform
lives
through
art.
So
these
are
all
organizations
serving
the
region,
headquartered
in
des
moines
and
receiving
funding
from.
Bravo,
it's
just
even
still
just
a
smattering
of
what
we're
funding
here
in
in
the
metro.
P
We're
very
proud
of
the
work
that
we
do
with
the
nonprofit
organizations
that
we
support,
but
we
do
recognize
that
there
are
others
that
are
doing
good
work
to
advance
regional
cultural
priorities,
including
the
cities
themselves.
So
in
2019
we
actually
introduced
a
new
grant
program.
It's
called
our
public
art
grant
program.
We
do
not
win
awards
for
creative
names,
but
that
public
art
grant
program
was
specifically
designed
to
fund
the
great
work
being
done
by
the
cities
themselves
to
advance
public
art
in
their
communities.
P
The
photo
that
you're
seeing
here
was
installed
as
a
result
of
an
award
to
the
des
moines
parks
in
2020
for
installations
along
the
bike
trail.
This
is
just
one
of
many
that
have
gone
in
and
have
been
received
quite
well
from
what
we've
heard.
We've
also
provided
funding
for
the
wow
sculpture.
That's
another
public
art
grant
that
we
funded
at
the
skate
park.
So
that
was
another
investment
that
we
made
in
our
first
year.
P
So
all
of
those
are,
I
hope
you
find
an
impressive
list
of
examples
of
the
cultural
assets
that
are
in
des
moines,
but
there
are
dozens
more
that
are
serving
the
region
and
hopefully
you're
starting
to
see
the
rich
picture
of
the
depth
and
breadth
of
the
cultural
landscape
beyond
those
anchor
and
iconic
institutions
we're
very
proud
of
the
work
we
get
to
do
across
the
board
to
support
these
organizations
in
addition
to
community
investment.
Bravo
also
sees,
as
I
said,
a
larger
vision.
P
There
are
things
that
we
see
for
the
arts
and
cultural
landscape
in
our
region
that
a
single
grant
to
a
single
organization
cannot
accomplish
on
its
own.
So
we
recently
introduced
what
we
call
community
impact.
These
are
areas
where
bravo
can
lead
to
advance
those
regional
cultural
priorities,
but
we
are
in
the
best
position
to
do
that,
work
as
opposed
to
working
with
a
specific
non-profit
organization,
through
our
grant
making
some
examples
of
how
this
has
come
to
life.
How
we've
invested
resources
is
through
arts
and
economic
prosperity.
P
Six,
it's
an
economic
impact
study
we're
doing.
There
are
380
communities
across
the
country
that
are
participating
in
this
economic
impact
study.
We
will
have
cross-sector
data
that
we
can
compare
with
other
cities.
If
carmel
indiana
is
in
the
in
the
mix,
we
can
get
their
arts
information
and
our
arts
information
and
have
that
comparative
data,
but
also
make
sure
that
we're
really
fully
telling
the
story.
P
Arts
and
cultures
certainly
add
to
quality
of
life,
but
they're
also
adding
a
tremendous
economic
impact
and
those
data
are
really
helpful,
as
you
all
are
discussing
when
you
get
asked
why?
Why
do
we
invest
public
funds
in
arts
and
culture?
These
are
some
great
statistics
for
you
to
have
as
well.
We
funded
public
art
through
dart
many
communities,
including
the
city
of
des
moines,
are
putting
in
bus
shelters.
That's
a
wonderful
addition
to
transportation.
P
What
bravo
has
funded
is,
if
you
want
to
make
them
a
public
art
piece,
instead
of
just
a
functional
transportation,
piece
bravo's,
funding
the
art,
so
more
than
40
shelters
across
the
region
will
be
funded
through
this
if
they
choose
and
we're
excited
to
see
those
coming
to
life.
Over
the
next
couple
of
years,
we
funded
some
embellishments
to
the
urban
dreams
courtyard,
as
they're
looking
to
better
serve
their
community.
P
We
paid
to
move
a
piece
of
public
art
and
then
also
to
add,
instead
of
like
a
more
traditional
swing,
set
system
they're
going
to
put
in
percussion
play
instruments.
I
think
that
project
should
be
almost
done
at
this
point,
but
bravo
funded
those
instruments
so
that
people
have
access
to
that
music
and
culture,
while
they're
there
playing
and
visiting
with
community.
P
In
2021,
we
served
as
a
project
manager
and
a
fiscal
sponsor
for
cultural
equity,
cohort,
of
course,
wanting
to
make
sure
that
we
continue
to
build
capacity
and
create
a
more
authentically
inclusive
cultural
community.
Bravo
funded
11
organizations
to
go
through
this
cultural
equity,
cohort
led
by
a
national
consultant
to
make
sure
we're
all
using
the
same
language,
understanding
the
same
gaps
and
barriers
and
doing
what
we
can
collectively
to
advance
equity.
Through
the
cultural
sector.
P
We
funded
an
artist
in
residence
with
invest
dsm.
They
did
an
installation
in
dogtown.
I
feel
like
it
was
last
summer,
but
it's
possible.
It
was
two
years
ago
at
this
point,
but
a
really
exciting
way
to
connect
art
with
business
development.
That
project
has
actually
spun
into
future
projects
of
invest,
dsm
using
art
and
public
art
to
connect
to
business
interests.
We're
really
excited
that
we
were
a
catalyst
for
that
and
then
passport
to
culture
is
the
only
program
that
bravo
runs.
P
P
It
was
fully
funded
by
the
principal
charity
classic
and
the
community
foundation
of
greater
des
moines
came
together
with
bravo
used
our
proceeds
to
fund
this
program.
We
are
no
longer
receiving
those
funds
from
the
principal
charity
classic,
but
we
did
get
a
grant
to
continue
this
program.
We
think
that
fund
will
last
about
three
years
and
then
it
is
bravo's
intent
to
fully
fund
this
program.
It
is
so
important.
P
P
I'm
going
to
play
a
quick
video
too
often
we
get
maybe
we'll
see
if
this
works.
We
get
questions
about
the
intersection
of
art
and
other
things,
art
and
transportation,
art
and
mental
health,
and
we
have
the
opportunity,
through
this
community
impact,
work
that
we're
doing
to
work
with
mid-iowa
health
foundations
to
deploy
a
pilot
project
that
really
showcases.
I
think
this
art
what
we
call
arts
and
social
impact
intersectionality.
P
P
That
was
a
really
powerful
project
for
us
to
work
on
and
showcase,
and
video
itself
is
art,
but
all
of
the
youth
featured
in
that
video
have
experienced
or
are
experiencing
homelessness,
including
the
artist
that
that
developed
the
dream
cube.
So
it
was
a
really
amazing
experience
and
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
something
in
a
different
in
a
different
way
and
we're
very
proud
of
that
and
look
forward
to
continuing
work
such
as
that,
so
everything
that
I've
showed
you
and
everything
that
I've
shared
with.
P
You
is
all
pre-pandemic
information
and
sorry
pre-pandemic
information,
and
I
am
delighted
to
tell
you
that
our
arts
and
culture
organizations
are
moving
on.
We
are
starting
to
see
the
next,
the
next
phase,
but
I
do
think
it's
important
for
you
to
understand
some
of
the
impact
and
and
some
of
what
our
cultural
sector
went
through
over
the
last
few
years
and
why
it's
important.
As
I
said,
the
economic
impact
of
these
organizations
is
substantial
pre-pandemic.
The
data
that
we
had
was
185
million
dollars
annually.
P
These
arts
and
culture
organizations
are
contributing
to
our
community
for
reference
the
year
that
that
data
was
collected.
The
bravo
invested
about
3.5
million
dollars
in
the
sector
and
they
turned
it
into
a
185
million
dollars
worth
of
economic
impact,
so
it
is
a
pretty
good,
roi,
obviously
generating
jobs,
and
we
love
that
bottom
statistic:
generating
16.8
million
in
tax
revenue.
P
These
organizations
are
generating
revenue,
they
are
not
just
on
the
take,
they
are
turning
it
around
and
putting
it
back
into
city
and
community
pockets
as
well,
but
there
is
no
question
that
these
organizations
were
deeply
deeply
affected
by
the
pandemic,
so
there
was
at
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic.
Of
course,
every
industry
across
the
across
the
country
across
the
world
was
affected
dramatically,
but
no
industry
was
affected
as
much
as
the
hospitality
industry,
which
includes
arts
and
cultural
venues
and
experiences.
P
You
can
see
a
50
drop
in
employment
in
the
first
two
months
of
the
pandemic.
Certainly
there
has
been
a
rebound
since
then,
but
talent
attraction
was
a
challenge
before
the
pandemic
and
now
with
lower
fewer
resources.
Fewer
audiences
coming
in
these
organizations
are
still
struggling
to
fill
their
to
fill
their
staff
to
do
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done.
P
The
financial
impact
on
the
arts
and
cultural
organizations
really
was
astounding.
This
is
unfortunately
a
little
bit
dated
at
this
point:
we're
not
continuing
to
track
it.
It's
well
over
40
million,
of
course,
40
of
that
was
absorbed
by
organizations
headquartered
in
des
moines.
40
percent
of
that
40
million
dollar
loss
was
absorbed
by
organizations
headquartered
in
the
city
of
des
moines.
P
The
impact
to
bravo,
of
course
we
don't
have
a
crystal
ball
and
we
don't
get
to
run
things
twice,
but
if
we
did
models
based
on
where
we
thought
our
revenue
would
be
compared
to
where
our
revenue
actually
was.
The
math
looks
like
about
a
loss
of
four
million
dollars,
a
difference
of
four
million
dollars
than
if
we
had
stayed
on
the
trajectory
again.
Bravo
is
only
funded
with
hotel
motel
taxes
in
the
last
two
years.
P
That's
not
the
best
revenue
stream
to
be
relying
on
so
we're,
despite
that,
bravo
was
able
to
respond
and
we
were
able
to
do
our
share,
hopefully
to
make
sure
that
we
continue
to
support
the
organizations
in
our
community
and
act
as
good
stewards
of
your
investments.
Bravo
did
apply
for
and
received
first
and
second
round
ppp
loans.
Those
have
both
now
been
fully
forgiven.
P
We
felt
that
we
had
to
maximize
investments
when
we
were
the
only
ones
that
could
there
was
no
earned
revenue.
No
attendance
sponsors
were
backing
away.
Events
were
not
happening.
We
felt
that
it
was
in
fact
our
role
to
put
as
much
money
as
we
could
and
thanks
to
sound
financial
management
by
our
board.
For
years,
we
were
able
to
invest
more
money
than
we
were
bringing
in.
Obviously,
not
it
was
yes,
we
keep
strategic
reserves.
Just
like
the
city.
P
Does
we
target
about
three
to
nine
months
of
available
grant
funding
and
we
were
able
to
deploy
all
of
that
yep.
So
we've
heard
from
many
of
our
cultural
partners
that
this
was
essential
in
their
ability
to
survive
when
there
were
no
other
checks
coming
in.
We
accelerated
payments
so
that
they
could
have
the
dollars
when
they
needed
them
and
we're
very
proud
of
the
of
the
role
that
we've
played.
P
Unfortunately,
it's
obviously
not
sustainable.
I
will
tell
you:
bravo
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
gas
left
in
the
tank
right
now,
so
we've
made
some
shifts.
We
continue
to
work
with
our
finance
and
sustainability
committee
and
are
encouraged
by
hotel,
motel
tax
revenues
coming
in
any
day,
we'll
get
we'll
get
q4,
but
we
do
have.
We
will
have
to
do
some
rebuilding.
P
P
I
I
don't
want
to
paint
too
bleak
of
a
picture,
though,
because
it
really
was
exciting
to
see
arts
and
culture
organizations
respond
and
there's
no
question
that
it
was
devastating
and
I
don't
want
to
over
polish
it.
But
there
was
also
some
major
successes
to
celebrate.
The
arts
did
what
they
always
do.
They
were
creative
and
they
were
innovative
and
they
solved
the
problems
that
they
have.
This
is
one
of
my
favorite
pictures
of
of
the
pandemic.
P
P
Iowa
did
serving
some
of
our
communities,
most
vulnerable
youth
they
actually
created
and
hand-delivered
art
kits
supplies
all
the
things
that
the
students
would
need,
so
that
they
could
continue
making
art,
and
then
they
had
virtual
art
meetups,
knowing
that
it
was
about
the
art
and
the
creation,
but
also
about
the
community
and
the
opportunity
to
stay
connected
to
people
at
a
time
when
many
felt
very,
very
isolated
and
then,
of
course,
loads
of
virtual
programming.
This
is
a
photo
from
the
des
moines
symphony,
but
loads
of
virtual
programming.
P
This
is
actually
exciting,
because
for
many
it
actually
could
be
a
long-term
solution.
Some
of
our
organizations
actually
saw
expanded
audiences
come
out
of
this
people
that
may
have
physical
limitations
or
wouldn't
go
to
a
production
if
it's
raining
or
if
it's
difficult
to
park,
but
now
can
access
these
programs
virtually.
So
this
is
something
that
will
be
interesting
to
see
how
and
whether
that
continues
across
the
board
again
the
des
moines
symphony,
but
many
others.
Many
others
did
that
as
we
are
coming
back
no
question.
As
I
said,
the
landscape
is
improving.
P
I'm
sensing
hope
I'm
hearing
lots
of
organizations
doing
strategic
planning
looking
at
what
the
future
might
bring,
but
there
is
still
a
ways
to
go,
and
it's
not
quite
time
to
celebrate
the
end
of
the
pandemic,
yet,
especially
given
that
different
organizations
will
could
potentially
come
back
in
different
ways
depending
on
the
audiences
that
they
serve
the
mission
that
they
have
the
work
that
they
do.
It's
just
important
to
understand
that
it's
not
a
sector-wide
return
to
to
normalcy.
P
It's
going
to
take
some
time
and
different
organizations
will
respond
differently
based
on
what
they're
what
they
do.
We
felt
it
was
important,
though,
that
bravo
not
miss
an
opportunity
to
evolve
through
the
pandemic
as
well.
What
a
shame
to
go
in
and
come
out
exactly
the
same.
You
have
to
take
advantage
of
the
opportunity
that
you've
been
given
for
nearly
two
decades.
P
Bravo
has
been
a
critical
partner
in
strengthening
the
role
of
arts,
culture
and
heritage
in
central
iowa,
but
for
this
momentum
to
continue
both
for
bravo
and
for
the
community,
there
is
a
need
to
continue
strengthening
a
resilient
and
connected
cultural
sector
and
beyond
the
economic
impact
and
the
quality
of
life.
We
have
to
continue
making
sure
that
arts
and
culture
are
seen
as
essential
to
achieving
regional
priorities.
P
Bravo
already
plays
a
leadership
role
in
this
work
and
in
june,
the
board
approved
a
new
strategic
plan
which
firmly
commits
to
bravo's
evolution
into
a
true
regional
arts
council.
We
will
continue
to
maintain
a
primary
focus
on
our
nonprofit
organizations
and
grant
making
will
remain
our
core
and
primary
function.
I'm
happy
to
say
that
again,
grant
making
will
remain
our
core
and
primary
function.
We
are
not
losing
sight
of
what
we
were
formed
to
do.
P
P
So
in
conclusion,
I
again
just
want
to
thank
you
so
much
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
and
for
your
continued
support
for.
Bravo.
If
you
remember
just
one
thing
about
this
presentation,
I
hope
that
it
is
the
integration
of
arts
and
culture,
along
with
everything
else
that
this
council
and
this
community
and
this
region
is
trying
to
achieve
from
economic
development,
to
mental
health
education
to
transportation.
P
P
H
You
I
just
wanted
to
say,
I'm
really
grateful.
This
is
the
first
time
since
I've
been
on
council
that
I've
gotten
a
really
good
idea
of
what
bravo
is
and
what
you
guys
do,
and
just
this
handout,
the
powerpoint,
the
presentation.
It
really
made
me
excited
about
what
you
guys
are
working
on,
and
so
thank
you
for
bringing
that
energy
and
and
really
giving
us
like
everything
that
you
guys
are
putting
into
the
community.
Thank
you.
O
I
won't
say
just
des
moines
schools,
because
it
was
critical
to
make
up
some
of
the
differences
when
you
see
some
of
the
work
that
the
programs
like
art
force
and
some
of
us
did
during
that
time,
it
really
kept
kids
connected.
So
thank
the
council
for
supporting
that,
and
thanks
sally
and
her
team
for
all
the
work
they
do,
because
it
does
make
a
difference.
H
E
R
Good
morning,
mayor
county
members
of
the
city,
council,
matt
anderson,
deputy
city
manager,
I'm
just
going
to
tease
up
and
introduce
today's
topic
and
then
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
tom
polig
with
arl
a
few
months
ago.
Scott
tasked
me
with
convening
a
group
of
city
departments,
city
staff,
to
begin
working
through
the
new
contract
for
the
for
the
new
facility.
R
That's
under
construction
on
east
on
14th,
leading
into
that
discussion
assembled
a
team,
you
might
think
of
arl
services
as
really
just
kind
of
touching
the
police
department
and
the
clerk's
office
through
licensing.
But
as
we
got
into
this,
the
team
includes
myself
representing
cmo:
finance
the
clerk's
office,
legal
neighborhood
services
facilities.
R
R
We
this
larger
group
started
having
more
discussions
around
ordinances
and
licensing,
not
just
the
long-term
contract,
so
we're
looking
to
look
for
a
little
guidance
today
on
some
of
those
ordinance
and
licensing
ideas,
as
well
as
the
contract
going
forward.
So
I'm
here
to
answer
questions
so
is
jim
hoff
regarding
the
new
facility,
so
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
tom.
S
S
So
I'd
like
to
thank
the
mayor
and
the
council
and
the
man
and
the
city
manager
for
the
opportunity
to
give
you
an
update
on
the
partnership
that
we
have
with
the
city.
One
we've
had
for
a
long
time,
I'll
kind
of
go
through
that
as
a
refresher,
but
also
I'd
like
to
introduce
some
people
that
are
with
me
joe
will
you
stand
up.
Joel
stafford
is
the
director
of
animal
services
so
he's
the
guy
at
the
facility.
That's
making
it
all
happen
down
there.
S
Chris
henderson
is
our
general
counsel
for
the
animal
rescue
league,
a
position
he's
been
with
for
a
fairly
short
period
of
time,
and
then
this
guy
probably
is
pretty
recognizable
rick
clark
yeah.
Besides
being
the
past
city
manager,
he's
now
doing
some
consulting
work
for
the
animal
rescue
league
kind
of
helping
us
navigate
through
all
of
the
types
of
things
that
you
know,
matt
was
talking
about
and
has
been
extremely
helpful.
So
far.
S
Let's
see
all
right,
so
what
I'm
hoping
to
cover
today
with
our
agenda
is
a
oversight
overview
of
the
arl
partnership
with
des
moines,
the
history,
the
guiding
principles,
the
overview
and
update
field
services,
shelter
operations,
pet
and
community
support
services
and
programs,
which
I'm
really
excited
to
talk
to
you
about,
and
also
the
joint
working
group
that
matt
was
referring
to.
So
that's
what
we're
hoping
to
accomplish.
S
So
it
was
kind
of
the
full
package
of
what
was
then
referred
to
as
animal
control,
and
I
want
to
just
change
up
that
wording
now
that
we're
referring
to
this
as
animal
services.
I'm
going
to
be
telling
you
a
lot
about
about
why
that
is
most
recently
fiscal
year
2019.
We
entered
into
a
10-year
agreement
covering
shelter,
operations
and
field
services,
and
there
was
a
three-year
lease
with
option
for
three
one-year
extensions.
S
S
You
know
if,
if
you're
not
having
pets,
certainly
friends
or
family
have-
and
you
know
how
critical
it
is-
that
our
some
of
our
community
members
have
four
legs
or
two
wings
and
that's
how
they're
certainly
being
looked
at
more
and
more
into
our
in
our
community.
So
the
idea
of
trying
to
support
and
keep
that
human
animal
bond
when
it's
there
together
is
critical
for
us
moving
forward.
S
S
S
S
S
Now,
when
I
talk
about
the
professional
customer
service
and
the
veterinarian
care,
the
animal
care
staff,
the
reception
staff
and
and
the
and
the
veterinary
staff,
medical
staff
are
all
trained
cross-trained
to
work
both
at
the
medical
maine
department
or
there.
So
this
isn't
like
silos.
Our
people
are
you're
having
the
benefit
of
people
trained
through
the
organization
and
not
just
at
that
facility.
It's
working
out
extremely
well
and
I
think
joe
would
agree.
It's
it's
a
help
having
it
that
way
as
well.
S
Okay,
so
maximizing
those
life
sav
life-saving
efforts.
This
is
what
I
want
to
get
into,
because
the
other
position
that
is
not
covered
in
the
contract
is
what
we
could
call
pet
support
services.
It's
basically
community
outreach
and
what
it
basically
is
is
you
know.
Many
years
ago
I
I'd
say
we
really
probably
launched
this
with
our
pets
for
life
program
in
2010..
S
It's
a
belief
system
that,
if
you're
helping
support
the
people,
if
you're
out
into
the
community,
then
your
need
for
punitive
approaches
to
enforcement
lesson.
That
is
the
general
feeling
of
what's
happening,
and
fortunately
across
the
country.
This
notion
and
these
opportunities
are
being
sought
after
and
carried
out
to
the
point
that
joe
and
I
are
on
conversations
on
a
national
level
and
I'll
never
forget,
listening
to
a
guy
in
arkansas,
very
rural
arkansas,
who
basically
has
a
facility
an
animal
services
facility.
S
So
you
know
if
you're
having
trouble
with
housing
or
you
need
pet
food
or
you
need
other
services
for
yourself,
medical
care
or
whatever.
You
basically
go
to
the
local
shelter
for
it.
So
that's
the
direction
that
this
is
going
across
the
country
and,
quite
frankly,
we
couldn't
be
happier
about
it,
find
it
very
exciting
and
lots
of
things
happen
when
you
start
seeking
non-punitive
approaches
to
your.
What
was
what
was
previously
viewed
as
your
animal
control
problems,
so
very
excited
about
this.
S
S
S
Joe
implemented
a
service
survey,
type
of
thing
after
people
interact
with
the
the
city,
shelter
and
they're
receiving
4.5
out
of
5
customer
rating.
That's
after
you
get
your
pet
out
of
what
a
lot
of
people
call
jail.
So
that's
pretty
darn
good,
I
think,
and
then
of
course,
we've
implemented
and
expanded
the
pet
support
programs
more
and
more
and
more
every
year.
S
Now
just
a
quick
thing
to
the
funding
of
that,
since
the
city
is
now
paying
for
it.
Who
is
we're
securing
some
grants?
I'll
be
honest
with
you,
the
grants
are
a
little
bit
harder
to
find,
so
the
arl
foundation
has
been
stepping
in
here
and
there
to
keep
that
team
going.
Keep
the
work,
the
fantastic
work
they're
doing,
keep
that
going
now.
Our
animal
service
team
doesn't
mean
that
we
have
a
lot
of
senior
citizens
working
there
present
company
excluded
there,
but
we
have
130
years
of
experience.
S
S
You
can
see
the
the
green
is
reclaimed.
Those
animals
that
are
going
back
to
their
owners
is
much
larger.
You'll
see
the
adopted
is
very
much
larger.
Okay
you'll
see
the
bar
for
transferred,
which
means
our
partnerships
with
other
rescues
and
so
that
we're
transferring
some
of
those
animals
that
may
do
better
in
another
environment.
S
The
euthanasia
number
is
shockingly
different
between
2004
and
then
doa,
which
I
found
extremely
important
because
one
of
the
things
one
of
the
concerns
that
we
did
here
over
tnr,
wouldn't
we
fight
a
lot
more
dead
cats
if
we
weren't
actively
picking
them
up.
Well
to
me,
it's
saying
that
that's
not
happening
because
you
see
the
doa
numbers
in
total,
which
mean
deer
and
raccoons
and
possums
as
well
as
dogs
and
cats
is
way
lower
than
it
was
in
2004.
S
S
S
Again,
positive
media
dory's
story:
she
was
one
of
those
puppy
mill
dogs
that
quite
frankly,
went
from
a
kennel
to
iowa
state
where
she
spent
a
considerable
amount
of
time
and
actually
never
left.
She
went
ahead
and
was
ended
up
her
happy
end
story
is
that
she
was
adopted
by
one
of
her
attending
veterinarians.
S
S
Again,
more
media
saving
those
little
ducks,
so
you
know
it's
a
opportunity
to
show
the
cooperation
with
the
police
department,
the
you
know
and
and
taking
the
time
to
save
those
little
ducks.
You
know
the
community
likes
that
they
like
to
to
hear
these
stories.
It
can't
always
be
the
negatives
or
maybe
you
remember
this
poor
raccoon
that
was
fouling.
S
The
peanut
butter
jar
stuck
in
his
head,
and
so
many
people
were
reporting
it
and
you
know
what
are
we
going
to
do
about
the
about
the
about
the
raccoon
with
the
peanut
butter
jar?
Well,
thanks
to
joe's
team
and
tina
who
has
decades
of
experience,
she
found
it
in
a
position.
I
think
very
similar
to
this,
that
she
came
up
and
just
popped
it
off
its
head
and
that
was
taken
care
of,
but
the
community
loved
that
they
loved
the
fact
that
that
raccoon
wasn't
left
to
die
a
slow
and
painful
death.
S
So
so
far,
we've
talked
about
such
things
as
the
lease
extension
and
fees
under
the
current
contract
we've
given
an
overview
of
the
arl
services
and
operations,
including
a
arl
main
facility
tour,
and
I
will
stop
right
there.
Some
of
you
have
toured
our
main
facility
and
been
able
to
see
some
of
the
facilities
that
the
city
uses
and
doesn't
have
to
build.
Like
our
barn,
you
know
for
those
other
than
dogs
and
cats.
S
K
I
would
encourage
my
colleagues
to
do
that.
I
had
the
privilege
of
touring
that
with
one
of
my
constituents
that
gave
a
donation
to
the
arl,
it
was
impressive
and-
and
I
would
encourage
everyone
to
go-
do
that
and
you're
not
lying
about
joe
and
his
team
there
they're
top-notch
great.
So
I
appreciate
what
you
do.
Thank
you
for
that
and.
S
I
tell
you
one
of
the
things
that
you
would
see
at
the
main
facility,
which
is
why
we
feel
a
sense
of
urgency
of
talking
about
change
and
looking
at
things
differently
and
looking
at
some
ordinances
differently.
Is
that
when
we
built
that
main
facility,
we
came
from
a
a
very
small
under
underbuilt,
overused
facility,
on
the
main,
at
the
main
location,
very
similar
to
what
we're
dealing
with
with
the
city
of
des
moines
and
you'll,
see
that
it's
a
hub.
S
It's
busy
it's
busy
all
the
time,
and
you
know
we
have
a
rental
part
that
makes
it
even
busier,
but
just
general
population
coming
there
because
it's
become
a
destination,
is
what's
going
to
be
the
expectation
of
the
community
for
this
new
facility.
It's
just
going
to
be
so
much
there's
going
to
be
so
many
more
people
coming
there
for
so
many
new
things
that
they're
gonna
want
to
see
that
we're
ready
to
sustain
that
type
of
expectation.
S
So
that's
the
urgency
of
what
we're
doing
with
this
city
working
group
and
it's
like
I
said
I
think
it's
been
doing
just
a
fantastic
job,
we're
getting
the
updates
on
the
new
shelter
bid
process
status,
we're
discussing
animal
welfare
ordinances,
we're
discussing
animal
licensing
and
fees
and
then,
like
I
said,
preparing
for
the
new
facility.
What
does
that
all
entail?.
S
S
S
Is
it
for
public
health
issues
like
rabies,
because
all
licensed
pets
have
to
show
proof
of
current
rabies.
Vaccination
we've
proven
and
nationally
has
proven
that
rabies
clinics
like
we're,
offering
low
cost
or
no
cost
rabies
clinics
are
much
more
effective
than
tying
vaccinations
to
licensing
because
it
gets
so
many
more
done.
The
whole
idea
and
really
when
it
comes
down
to
it
at
the
end
of
the
day,
a
rabies
program
is
to
protect
the
the
humans
as
much
or
more
than
it
is
the
pets.
S
Quite
frankly,
it's
trying
to
create
that
barrier
between
rabies
reservoirs,
which
are
primarily
skunks
in
in
iowa
and
do
so
by
vaccinated
as
as
many
dogs
and
cats,
as
you
possibly
can,
and
we're
getting
to
so
many
with
the
clinics
that
it
just
makes
more
sense.
How
about
cats
estimated
16
percent
of
owned
cats
doesn't
include
the
community
cats
are
licensed,
and
then
the
community,
but
we're
proving
that
the
the
community
cats
in
the
tnr
program
are
more
effective.
I
R
R
O
K
Was
that
is
that
been
just
last
year
or
has
that
been
historically
numbers
because
switching
over
to
what
we
decided
to
do
last
year,
I'm
sure
a
lot
of
people
didn't
register
their
dogs
anymore
because
or
their
cats,
because
it
was
an
absolute
nightmare
to
start
with.
Now
it
got
better,
but
I
I
would
like
to
know
that
data
historically,
if
or
is
this
just
from
last
year,
no.
S
This
is
this,
is
this
is
from
a
historical
perspective?
Okay,
you
know
you
always
you
always
struggle
to
get
a
significant
percentage
of
dogs
and
particularly
cats
licensed
in
any
community
sure,
and
so,
once
again
you
know
th.
This
is
just
simply
letting
you
know
where
we're
at
on
this
process
that
these
are
the
considerations
that
are
being
taken
into
account.
S
O
K
S
No,
if
here
are
some
suggestions
that
have
come
up
in
the
conversation
right,
one
of
them
being
microchipping
replacing
tags
okay.
So
if
you
have,
if
you
proceed
further
further
with
the
licensing
program
that
somebody
would
pay
for
a
microchip
which
can
be
got,
you
know
which
can
be
had
for
as
little
as
five
bucks.
Okay
to
to
do,
the
microchip
is
five
bucks
well
to
buy.
The
microchip
is
five
bucks.
S
S
K
K
S
You
need
to
have
a
a
a
device
that
basically
can
read
the
chip.
Okay,
it's
not
a
geo
tracker,
yet
I
think
we'll
have
it
someday,
but
it's
not
a
geo
tracker.
Okay,
so
animals
found
all
of
our
animal
service
officers.
You
know
we
have
them
at
arl
maine.
All
of
these
different
places,
many
veterinarians
have
them.
You
just
run
a
wand
over
them
and
you
can
read
the
number
and
that
number
will
track
back
so
we're
the
point
being.
Is
that
we're
finding
that
microchipping
makes
more
sense
than
tags
and
it
doesn't.
F
K
S
It
does
go
back
to
someone.
It
comes
back
to
the
original
where,
where
the
pet
originated.
So
again,
we
look
at
it
as
something
that
isn't
going
to
get
lost
or
just
simply
not
used.
Okay,
then
we're
also
saying,
let's
determine
if
licensing
is
cost
effective,
how
about
working
with
public
health
with
the
arl
to
look
at
rabies
clinics
when
we're
looking
at
really
a
public
health
issue?
S
You
know,
basically,
if
your
dog
gets
away-
and
you
know
I
remember
joe
telling
me
about
a
specific
when
we
were
just
talking
about.
He
just
recently
had
a
senior
citizen
whose
pet
got
away
dog
got
away
and
comes
down
and
they
didn't
they
hadn't
gotten
the
license,
so
they
were
beyond
april
and
they
had
a
50
penalty
fee
they
on
top
of
reclaimed
fees.
S
S
Okay,
so
we're
also
looking
at
reviewing
the
animal
welfare
ordinances,
establishing
our
state
law.
Basically,
the
arl
and
several
others
worked
very
hard
at
the
capitol
in
2019
to
pass
a
complete
rewrite
and
we
felt
that
we
got
most
of
what
we
asked
for.
So
we
feel
confident
in
the
state
laws
on
abuse
and
torture,
so
those
are
acts
of
commission
against
an
animal.
S
So
where
do
city
ordinances
fit
we're
asking
that
they
fit
on
the
animal
neglect
the
acts
of
omission
and
again
when
we
go
to
definitions
of
owner
responsibilities
and
care
and
treatment,
nutrition,
shelter,
grooming,
health
care?
We
find
that
a
lot
of
those
situations
can
be
addressed
from
an
educational
standpoint
or
again,
a
public
assistance
program,
no
reason
to
take
the
pet
away.
If
we
can
train
that
person
to
be
a
better
pet
owner,
okay-
and
that
happens
time
and
time
again,
so
we
could
help
pet
owners
meet
the
standards
of
care.
S
Now,
there's
very
you
know,
there's
there.
The
reason
for
ordinances
are
those
situations
where
it's
obvious
that
those
animals
should
be
removed,
and
so
those
ordinances
should
allow
that
to
happen
in
those
situations.
But
when
we
go
in
when
we
go
in,
instead
of
going
in
with
a
hammer
and
everything's
a
nail,
we
go
in
with,
let's
see
if
we
can
help
the
situation
rather
than
use
the
hammer
and
it
works.
F
K
K
R
No
part
of
that
is
is
your
opportunity
to
digest
some
of
the
things
that
tom
has
shared
today
and
provide
feedback
back
to
us.
You
don't
have
to
do
it
today,
but
as
you
as
you
go
back
and
think
about
it
and
bring
bring
ideas
to
me
I'll
bring
them
to
the
team
and
we'll
so
we're
working
on
three
different
ideas.
Here:
ordinance
changes,
licensing
changes
and
the
contract
they
don't
all
have
to
come.
R
R
H
S
H
I
R
I
M
Plenty
of
conversations
with
the
arl
and
in
ward
2
we've
had
three
situations
that
have
been
in
the
last
couple
years
with
pit
bulls
and
and
you
and
I
have
had
those
conversations
about,
maybe
looking
at
our
ordinance
to
just
do
a
vicious
dog
ordinance
rather
than
a
pit
bull.
You
know
if
it
looks
like
a
pit,
bull
ordinance,
but
I'm
still
concerned
that
we
don't
lose
sight
that
we
need
to
have
rules
out
there
for
some
of
these,
the
pit
bulls.
M
M
In
the
situations
in
in
my
neighborhood
they
were
all
running
loose
and-
and
I'm
just
very
concerned
that
that
part
of
the
ordinance
is
not
being
enforced,
and
what
can
we
do
to
make
it
so
those
rules
are,
I
mean
I've
talked
to
the
police.
I've
talked
to
you
and-
and
it
seems
like
people-
don't
understand
that
if
you
have
that
breed
of
terrier
that
you
need
to
keep
it
enclosed,
you
know
I've
looked
at
many
websites
when
they
bite
they
don't
just
bite.
They
like
gnaw
and
and
hurt
them
break.
M
S
And
pit
bulls
aside,
I
have
always
agreed
that
we
have
to
have
a
very
carefully
written
ordinance
that
protects
the
public
against
any
dog
that
may
injure
them.
Okay,
and
so
what
I'm?
What
I
would
like
the
council
to
appreciate
today
is
matt
anderson's
work
with
this,
because
we
have
come
so
far
and
we
quite
frankly,
are
putting
forth
some
things
to
help
us
get
our
feet
under
them.
K
But
it
isn't
public
safety
all,
and
I
mean
I
wouldn't
single
out
just
one
breed
of
a
dog.
I
mean
well,
that's
horrible.
There's
a
lot,
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
love
that
breed
of
dog
and
that
they're
part
of
their
family,
but
they
singled
them
out.
I
mean
I
I
guess
I
I
don't.
I
mean
I
think
everyone
should
be
a
responsible
pet
owner
and
if
your
your
dog
should
be
on
a
leash
or
your
dog
should
be
contained
to
your
yard
or
it
shouldn't
be
able.
K
But
I
wouldn't
you
know
I
I'm
not
I'm
not
looking
at
single
and
one
specific
breed
of
dog,
no
matter
any
dog
can
become
vicious
if
they're
being
protective
of
their
of
their
area.
I
mean
that's
the
some
I
mean
I
I
don't
know.
That's
just
my
opinion.
I
I'm.
I
know
this
isn't
part
of
that
conversation
and
I'm
gonna
I'll
stay
out
of
it,
but
just
briefly
I'll,
let
you
know
that's
how
I
feel
about
that.
I
mean
they're.
R
We,
we
kind
of
feel
like
we
have
a
few
singles
and
some
doubles
that
we're
going
to
hit
and
we're
going
to
bring
those
to
you
and
we're
going
to
get
those
done
and
then
we'll
tackle
the
big,
the
the
bigger
issue,
the
broader
issue,
because
it
does
have
it-
does
have
the
tendency
to
kind
of
derail
the
whole
the
whole
discussion,
and
we
at
least
need
to
get
this
first
discussion
done
and
then
come
back
to
this.
We're
not
going
to
ignore
it,
though.
M
The
dog
attacks
I
mean,
there's
been
three
in
in
ward
2
in
recent
years,
where
somebody's
pit
bull
got
loose
and
it
ate
the
neighbor's
dog.
You
know
the
lady
was
moving
and
the
movers
came
in
and
that
pit
bull
attacked
the
person
there
have
been.
There
have
been
others,
so
I
mean
I
have
to
listen
to
our
residents.
E
S
Here's
what
you
can
really
feel
good
about
right
now,
and
that
is
where
this
animal
shelter
is
being
located,
and
I
feel-
and
I
share
the
excitement
on
this
all
the
time.
I
realize
that,
in
the
bigger
scheme
of
of
community
development,
an
animal
shelter
may
not
be
high
on
the
list,
but
I
tell
you
it
will
be.
It
will
be,
and
here's
part
of
why
I'm
so
excited
about
it.
S
You
see
all
of
the
development
that's
happening
and
all
the
wonderful
things
that
are
happening
in
the
east
village-
and
you
know
all
these
areas
that
are
being
shown
here
is
all
within
hopefully
become
within.
You
know
a
walking
distance
or
something
that's
going
to
make
that
shelter
more
more
of
a
destination.
S
But
I'm
telling
you-
and
I
tell
you,
the
the
the
community
members
that
I
talk
to
in
this
fashion-
of
how
everything
is
basically
going
to
end
up
by
animal
services,
whether
it's
water
trails
or
city,
development
or
business
development
is
very
exciting
and
again
puts
us
in
a
perfect
role
of
becoming
a
service
location
for
the
community
members
and
a
place
they
can
go,
have
fun
with
an
event
where
they
can
volunteer
or
any
number
of
things.
That's
going
to
just
put
this
place
in
most
people's
minds.
F
T
Good
morning,
mayor
and
council,
jim
hoff
facility
manager,
I
was
asked
to
give
a
brief
update
on
the
brief
summary
of
the
building
and
and
also
the
location.
So
you
can
see
on
this
map.
We
zoomed
in
a
little
bit
farther
and
you
can
see
where
we're
starting
to
create
a
campus
of
city
buildings
at
the
top
of
the
map.
You
can
see
municipal
services
center
one
and
then
under
construction
is
msc
two
right
below
it.
T
K
T
I'm
just
going
to
go
to
this
go
to
this
image
of
the
new
facility.
So
to
be
clear,
I
was
supposed
to
reiterate:
this
is
a
city
building,
so
it's
city
built
owned
and
constructed,
and
the
arl
will
provide
the
services
out
of
this
building.
The
new
building
will
be
22
000
square
feet
as
compared
to
6
800
square
feet
for
the
existing
city
facility.
So
it's
over
three
times
as
big.
T
T
T
T
Currently
the
contractors
are
working
on
underground
utilities
and
footings,
and
next
week
we'll
see
it
start
to
come
out
of
the
ground,
so
that'll
be
nice
and
at
the
last
construction
update
white
said
that
they
were
a
few
weeks
ahead
of
schedule.
So
that's
good
news.
A
lot
of
stuff
can
change
in
a
year,
but
all
going
really
well
so
far
far
better
than
the
fires,
that's
safe
to
say,
yeah.
G
S
S
S
D
G
U
I'm
joe
safford,
I'm
the
director
of
animal
services
for
the
animal
rescue
league
of
iowa,
mayor
and
members
of
council
happy
to
answer
that
question.
So
you
were
talking
about
the
truck
not
being
available
there.
There
is
no
backup
is
what
I
can
tell
you
I
mean.
So
if
that
vehicle
is
mechanically
unsound,
then
large
deceased
animals
and
that's
used
to
pick
up
primarily
deer
is
what
it's
used
for
right.
G
O
G
I
Think
what
what
carl
is
pointing
out
is
that
this
situation
ended
up
being
elevated,
because
the
response
when
constituents
were
calling
in
was
well,
the
truck
is
down,
you'll
have
to
wait
and
the
deer
was
getting
bloated
and
it
was
hot
out
and
and
so
the
calls
got
bigger
so
he's
just.
I
think
it's
right
like
I.
I
do.
U
And
I
never
done
it
see,
we
should
have
a
plan
right
and
I
think
it's
it's
relevant
to
this
conversation
because
we're
talking
you
know
about
the
contract
I
mean,
and
the
deceased
animal
pickup
is
a
separate
and
distinct
item
within
within
the
contract.
I
mean
so
I
think
it's
something
that
can
be
looked
at.
U
If
the
city
you
know
wants
that
redundancy,
then
we
need
to
find
a
way
to
to
provide
that
and
it
would
be
appropriate
to
look
at
that
in
kind
of
a
contextual
agreement
I
mean
you
know,
especially
since
that's
a
separate
and
distinct
item
within
the
contract,
meaning
it's
not
part
of
the
whole.
It's
deceased,
animal
pickup.
As
a
separate
item,
mr.
D
Manager
there
have
been
other
instances
of
this
in
the
past
that
public
works
has
stepped
in
and
found
some
sort
of
a
solution.
I
mean
there
were
two
dead
deer
sitting
at
42nd
and
woodland
and
that
got
cleaned
up.
I
I'm
sure
you've
got
some
sort
of
a
of
a
plan,
because
public
works
took
care
of
that.
One.
A
D
M
As
a
true
friend
of
arl
and
animal
services,
you
guys
I
I
appreciate
so
much
what
you
do
as
a
city.
I
would
like
to
see
us
work
on
with
the
governance
team.
Iowa
has
the
worst
law
in
place
for
puppy
mills
and
we
are
known
for
puppy
mills
and
you
have
had
to
go
out
and
take
care
of
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
animals.
We
really
need
to
get
our
state
legislators
to
work
together
to
get
that
law
changed,
and
I
know
it's
not
really
a
city.
M
U
1959
cats
tnr
since
march
of
2019,
by
the
way
about
53
percent
of
those,
have
been
females.
So
you
can
imagine
how
many
unwanted
litters
of
kittens
have
been
saved
and
that
significantly
has
contributed
to
our
success,
and
it's
reflected
in
that
live
release
rate
that
we
looked
at
earlier.
Unwanted
breeding,
puppy
mills.
There
are
so
many
issues
where
we
could
be
doing
better,
I'm
so
excited.
U
You
know
about
the
opportunity
to
work
with
you
all
and
through
you
all
and
and
bring
whatever
it
is
that
the
group
sees
you
know
to
a
reality.
You
know
we
have
a
unique
opportunity
to
reposition
the
city
with
regards
to
animal
welfare
issues
and
providing
something
that
I
think
you
know
can
become
a
beacon,
an
example
for
the
rest
of
the
state
and
that
that's
the
goal
here.
S
So
just
two
things.
Thank
you
so
much
for
what
you
just
said.
I
will
tell
you
that
we
joe
and
I
have
been-
and
others
have
been
on
a
lot
of
conversations
of
a
bipartisan
federal
effort
to
address
puppy
mills
which
are
the
licensing
agencies
for
that.
But
there
has
to
be
state
agriculture,
involvement
as
well
and
so
from
the
state.
S
We
are
certainly
going
to
take
all
of
the
help
you
want
to
send
our
way
because
there
is,
there
are
solutions
they
just
have
to
we're:
putting
federal
and
state
together
and
that's
been
a
challenge.
So
if
we
get
through
that
challenge,
we
can
come
up
with
these
solutions.
No
question
about
it.
On
the
dead
animal
issue:
yeah
joe
was
referencing
jim
hoff
and
I
had
a
discussion
lately
about
a
carcass
disposal
which
goes
along
with
pickup
and
then
what
do
you
do
with
them?
S
And
you
know:
do
you
put
them
in
the
landfill?
Do
you
have
like
a
reclaim?
You
know
type
of
situation
on
deer
and
raccoons
and
possums.
So
again
I
see
that
as
something
that
is
prime
for
the
the
joint
working
group
to
work
with
inter-departmentally
and
come
up
with
that.
With
that
solution,
yeah
that
deer
stink
people
know
no
one
wants
that
dead
deer
in
their
front
yard
any
longer
on
a
july
day
than
we
would.
S
S
T
A
T
T
T
V
All
right,
thank
you,
council
and
mayor.
I
just
wanted
to
before
we
jump
into
talking
specifically
about
the
buildings,
just
reiterate
the
goals
that
were
passed
unanimously
by
council
in
january
2021
for
reducing
greenhouse
gas
pollution
through
mitigation
and
transitioning
to
24
7,
carbon
free
electricity
across
our
facility.
So
these
are
goals
that
we're
thinking
about
as
we
design
construct
and
operate
our
buildings
and
how
our
buildings
can
be
tools
to
help
us
get
to
these
goals
over
time.
V
V
We
have
either
installed
or
are
planning
over
a
megawatt
of
solar
across
our
facilities,
and
a
big
chunk
of
this
will
come
from
the
msc
animal
control
and
greenhouse
installations
over
the
next
couple
of
years,
and
then
we
also
keep
track
of
the
number
of
public
ev
chargers
installed
and
planned
in
our
parking
garages,
but
we're
also
thinking
about
where
we
need
those
in
our
city
facilities
as
well,
and
jim
will
talk
about
that.
Also.
V
V
We
get
out
of
that
tool
that
look
at
our
entire
portfolio
that
we're
tracking.
So
we
have
about
40
different
buildings
that
we
are
entering
energy
water
billing
data
for,
and
this
allows
us
to
look
at
a
bunch
of
different
metrics
that
are
helping
us
manage
our
facilities
better.
We
have
about
a
1.5
million
dollar
spend
on
energy
across
all
of
our
portfolio.
O
V
M
E
V
But
I
will
say
that
it
doesn't
have
the
granularity
to
get
to.
You
know
identifying
specific
pieces
of
equipment,
or
things
like
that
that
we
need
to
to
replace
that
would
take
a
more
conservative
like
auditing
effort
and
maybe
some
specific
sub
metering
on
equipment
or
using
these
little
devices
called
data
loggers
that
help
gather
that
information
too.
V
So
looking
acro
at
the
the
output
from
b3
benchmarking
across
our
portfolio,
this
is
an
estimate
of
where
the
primary
savings
can
be
found.
It's
estimated
that
roughly
83
percent
of
savings,
or
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
could
come
from
focusing
on
nine
sites,
and
these
include
city
hall,
municipal
service
center
public
works
compound.
V
That's
going
to
be
obviously
decommissioned
as
we
move
into
msc
2,
but
there's
some
significant
opportunities
in
the
library
as
well
and,
like
I
said
it
would
take
a
little
bit
of
deeper
analysis
across
these
facilities
to
really
hone
in
on
where
those
improvements
can
be
made.
But
we
have
an
idea
of
whether
it's
tied
to
baseline
energy
load
like
plug
loads
from
computers
and
lighting,
or
whether
it's
tied
to
heating
and
cooling
equipment.
So
that
gives
us
a
little
bit
more
direction
when
we
have.
K
V
V
M
M
T
We're
we're
always
looking
at
those
some
of
these
are
we'd
have
to
get
back
to
you
on
what
specifically.
These
measures
are
that
they're
that
are
being
suggested,
but
I,
I
think,
jeremy's
accurate.
Typically,
it's
about
set
points
and
it's
about
operating
hours
and
dimming
down
the
light,
and
so
since
we
don't
run
some
of
these,
I
can't
I
can't
say
for
sure
on
the
grandview
golf
course,
but
where.
K
V
V
It's
it's
an
order
of
magnitude
of
potential
savings
that
the
software
is
identifying
through
the
the
backend
algorithms
that
it
uses.
So
all
the
data
comes
from
billing
data,
so
energy
and
water
billing
data,
but
to
really
get
down
to
the
granularity
of
identifying
like
how
much
actual
savings
there
are.
That
would
take
some
further
investigation
to
hone
in
on
specific
pieces
of
equipment.
Think.
A
K
C
V
K
M
V
Yeah
and
there's
you
know,
energy
management
is
about
prioritizing
improvement,
opportunities
and
figuring
out
where
the
value
for
the
investment
is,
and
so
we
can
make
investments
that
are
affordable
and
make
sense
that
maybe
cost
80
or
address
80
percent
of
the
issues
and
there's
always
usually
room
left
over
for
continued
improvement.
It
comes
down
to
available
funds
and
staffing
resources
to
be
able
to
implement
these
improvements.
A
C
A
And
recognize
that
the
operational
way
that
the
buildings
are
getting
used
does
affect
the
energy
draw,
and
so
again
a
library
might
be
doing
something
operationally
that
we're
not
aware
of-
and
this
might
be
a
good
target
to
say,
wait
a
minute,
they're
they're
lacking
behind
in
the
energy
compared
to
similar
buildings.
Let's
go
talk
to
them.
Let's
figure
out
what
why
that
is.
D
So,
mr
manager,
just
for
the
fun
of
it.
Looking
back
on
one
of
the
other
earlier
deals,
it
looks
like
we
have
one
great
building
that
meets
the
lead
platinum
series.
So
I'm
wondering
how
you
define
great
buildings,
and
I
don't
want
your
answer
right
now,
but
we
need
to
you
know,
be
looking
at
that
and
know
what
it
is
and-
and
I
think
that
jim
and
jeremy
hopefully
have
some
good
direction
for
us
on
how
we
not
only
design
and
create
but
operate
in
a
great
way.
Yep.
V
So
this
next
slide
just
gives
you
a
little
bit
of
an
overview
of
things.
We're
focusing
on
in
existing
buildings
addressing
energy
and
sustainability.
Within
these
buildings,
benefits
from
a
holistic
and
strategic
approach,
the
most
affordable
source
of
energy
that
you
can
use
is
the
energy
that
you
don't
use,
and
so
that's
something
that
we
focus
on
when
we're
doing
these
projects
in
our
facilities
and
it's
our
first
approach
to
improving
the
performance
of
the
facilities
and
and
finding
savings.
V
I
also
wanted
to
mention
that,
as
we
complete
adapt
dsm
as
we
work
on
adaptdsm
the
city's
first
climate
action
and
adaptation
plan,
we're
also
doing
a
risk
and
vulnerability
assessment
of
city
facilities
as
part
of
that
as
sort
of
a
sub
project
within
that
project,
and
so
that's
looking
at
the
vulnerability
of
our
city
buildings
to
climate
change,
implants,
whether
that
be
temperature,
flooding
high
winds,
those
sort
of
things.
So
that's
also
going
to
help
us
identify
and
prioritize
improvements
that
we
can
make.
V
So
that's
something
that
we
also
think
about
as
we're
making
improvements
to
facilities,
but
I
mentioned
you
know:
we're
tracking
energy
and
water
use
through
the
benchmarking
program,
we're
maximizing
available
rebates
where
we
can
from
mid-american
energy
when
we
make
improvements
to
buildings
and
so
far
we've
utilized
things
like
the
building
energy
audits
programs
that
were
provided
by
mid-american.
Those
are
no
longer
available
at
this
time
and
and
then
express
building
tune-ups.
V
Now
I
wanna
mention
that
this
we
take
a
strategic
approach
to
implementing
these
projects
so
as
we're
doing
that
we're
balancing
it
against
larger,
planned
facility
improvements
or
facility
retirement.
So
some
of
the
recommendations
that
come
forward
through
these
processes-
you
know
don't
make
sense
from
a
timing
perspective
and
and
that's
something
that
we
take
into
account
as
we
select
which
ones
to
implement.
I
I
T
That's
a
good
question,
so
so,
on
the
private
side,
I
did
work
on
some
projects
with
with
some
companies
that
would
go
up
to
seven
years.
That
was
kind
of
the
metric
that
that
that
I
was
used
to
so.
But
here
at
the
city
we
have.
We
have
different
lead
by
example
those
type
of
things
we've
talked
about
that
before
we
we
look
at
around
10
years
and
then
we
start
to
then
we
start
to
talk
about
it.
T
So
I
would
say
specifically
to
this
question
some
of
some
of
these
things,
where
the
payback
was
over
10
years.
Some
of
them
are
probably
at
like
fleet.
We
knew
we
weren't
going
to
own
that
building
for
more
than
two
or
three
more
years,
so
we
didn't
look
at
anything
that
was
over
a
three-year
payback
because
it
just
didn't
make
any
sense.
So
that's
why
you
saw
on
some
of
the
previous
slides,
where
some
things
were
left
on
the
table,
because
they
also
might
have
been
like
huge
paybacks.
T
K
But
you're
telling
me
that,
and
what
josh
is
saying
is
that
we
shouldn't
look
at
anything
other
than
to
go
further
or
at
least
10
years,
where
the
private
sector
does
it,
maybe
three
or
four
or
even
seven
years,
because
the
technology
is
changing
all
the
time.
So
why
would
we?
Why
would
we
spend
more
if
we
did?
If
we
didn't
know
what
the
pay
I
mean
that
that
that
makes
zero
sense?
K
You
know-
and
I
know
in
your
heart
of
hearts
that
you
want
to
to
do
this
and
and
and
extend
it
out
as
far
as
you
can,
but
technology's
always
changing
you
just
said
it
yourself
about
10
years.
You
know,
I
mean
that's,
that's
a
long
time
I
mean
I
can't
imagine
what
the
next
10
years
is
going
to
bring.
So,
but
it's
not
I'm,
not
I'm
not
trying
to
argue
with
anybody.
K
I
understand
what
you're
trying
to
trying
to
say
or
do,
but
to
go
any
further
than
10
years
would
be
a
massive
it
just
wouldn't
do
justice
to
our
taxpayer
dollars.
We
still
have
to
be
fiscally
responsible
for
tax
dollars
and
how
we're
spending
it.
It
doesn't
matter
if
we're
looking
at
long
term
or
we're
not
trying
to
make
money,
we
still
have
to
be
fiscally
responsible
and
looking
at
further
than
10
years
is
crazy
to
do
that.
For
any
type
of
these
things
wasn't.
I
We
are
not
trying
to
earn
a
greater
rate
of
return,
we're
trying
to
save
money
for
our
operations
over
the
long
term.
So
it's
a
different.
We've
got
different
incentive
structures
there
so
for
if
we
have
money
on
and
we're
leaving
savings
on
the
table,
that
means
we're
paying
more
over
the
long
run.
K
Technology
changes
definitely
over
10
years,
if
you,
if
we're
looking
at
anything
further
than
10
years
and
spending
money
on,
that's
a
mistake,
whether
it
be
solar,
if
we're
not
getting
our
payback
with
solar,
geothermal
or
any
of
these
things,
then
we're
making
it.
I
mean
that's
a
disjustist
to
any
taxpayer
dollars,
including
my
tax
dollars
that
I'm
putting
in
so.
K
Just
technology
is
going
to
change
in
10
years
right.
Does
it
do
it
if
we're
going
to
spend
extra
for
something
we
better
get
our
pay
back
within
10
years?
Is
what
I'm
saying
I
it's
not
start,
I'm
not
trying
to
start
an
argument.
I'm
not
trying
to
to
to
get
into
any
type
of
you
know
any
other
discussion,
I'm
just
saying
that
that
is
what
we
should
be
looking
at,
and
if
you
want
to
look
at
anything
further,
then
we
need
to
have
a
policy
discussion
about
that.
J
E
K
V
That's
why
I
brought
it
up
yeah.
So
I
will
say
my
my
previous
experience
is
as
an
energy
planner
for
the
commonwealth
of
massachusetts,
and
so
I
managed
energy
projects
in
state
facilities
everywhere
from
2
million
dollars
to
32
million
dollars
across
universities
and
prisons
and
other
facilities.
And
so
we
actually
looked
at
a
10
to
15
year
payback
window
there.
V
You
can
realize
significant
savings
when
you
install
a
more
efficient
piece
of
equipment
than
a
less
efficient
piece
of
equipment,
so
you're
looking
at
that
yearly
energy
savings
as
well,
and
then
the
life
cycle
cost
savings
of
the
product.
So
that's
an
important
thing
to
consider
when
we're
making
these
improvements,
because
you
can
save
that
money
year
over
year
and
put
that
back
into
public
programs
put
that
into
funds
to
save
to
make
future
improvements
to
facilities.
So
those
are
things
that
we
need
to
be
cognizant
of
when
we're
working
on
these
projects.
H
Since
the
men
are
done,
fighting
I'd,
like
my
turn
to
speak
since
I
had
to
wait
for
all
of
you
to
to
finish
what
you
wanted
to
say,
but
I
will
just
say
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
not
wait,
because
if
we
wait
to
make
the
investments,
then
we
are
waiting
three
years
five
years,
10
years
15
years
and
not
making
the
savings
that
we're
making
over
that
amount
of
time.
And
so
I
would
just
like
to
put
my
two
cents
in
and
say
that
I
am
in
support
of
investing
now.
V
V
T
Okay,
so
you've
you've
seen
this
you've
seen
this
map
a
little
bit
earlier,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
show
this
area
around
msc
2,
because
you
can
see
we're
starting
to
create
a
campus
of
city
facilities,
so
we
have
msc
one
there's
a
longer
name
to
that.
Building
too,
that
I
won't
say
right
now.
T
We
also
have
the
greenhouse
we
have.
We
have
animal
services
down
in
the
lower
left.
You
can
see
how
we're
going
to
utilize.
You
know
a
basically
an
unusable
piece
of
land,
the
harriet
street
landfill
for
a
solar
field
which
will
provide
electrical
services
for
both
the
greenhouse
and
animal
services.
T
T
It's
important
to
note
that
all
the
past
projects
that
we've
had
the
incentives
we've
received
from
midam
to
date
are
almost
400
000
and
the
projects
under
construction
right
now.
It's
estimated
that
we'll
receive
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
just
on
those
we
integrate
renewable
energy,
where
it
makes
sense,
budget-wise
and
space-wise
for
projects.
I
I
I
mean
I
think
going
forward.
I
I
think
it
would
be
great
if,
as
a
city,
we
could
be
building
to
the
most
recent
energy
conservation
code.
You
know
that's
updated.
Typically,
every
three
years
you
know
the
state
code
does
not.
The
state
code
is
often
lagged
behind
on
that
yeah,
but
there's
no
reason
why
we
couldn't
follow
the
most
recent
standard.
K
V
That
what
it
is,
twenty
yeah
twenty
2012
and
so
there
were
updates
in
2015
2018
and
now
2021,
the
yeah.
The
the
state
was
working
on
updating
that
code
to
2018
that
we're
going
to
skip
over
2015
last
session.
There
was
some
legislation
introduced
to
restructure
how
codes
are
updated,
that
legislation
ultimately
failed.
T
T
T
M
E
M
L
T
H
O
T
T
T
T
T
M
T
T
And
lastly,
we
have
the
greenhouse,
so
this
building
will
operate
it's
designed
as
an
all-electric
building
and
because
it's
served
by
the
adjacent
solar
field
again,
which
will
provide
110
percent
of
its
electrical
demand.
This
one
will,
it
qualifies
as
being
a
net
zero
facility,
and
that's
it's
actually,
it's
a
huge
accomplishment.
I
think
it's
tracking
towards
lead
gold
as
well,
but
it
is
11
over
the
baseline
code
building
a
few
of
the
key
building
features
here.
Are
we
have
the
passing
cooling
within
the
greenhouse?
V
V
You
know
we
will,
as
it
becomes
more,
affordable
and
viable
look
at
energy
storage
and
then
we'll
also
think
about
you
know
how
we
can
buy
clean
energy
to
to
serve
our
facilities
where
we
can't
meet
that
with
what
we're
provided
from
mid-american
energy
and
then,
of
course,
looking
at
habitat,
restoration
and
storm
water
management
and
using
natural
practices
to
to
do
that.
To
you
know,
create
more
pollinating
habitat
and
to
look
at
low
water
or
no
water.
V
Xeriscaping
is
what
it's
called
so
landscaping
that
doesn't
require
the
irrigation
and
then
obviously
incorporating
thinking
about
climate
resilience,
passive
survivability,
so
that
our
buildings
are
easier
to
be
in
when
we
may
not
have
utility
services
or
have
an
event
where
we
have
to
bring
people
in
to
support
them
from
the
public
as
a
place
to
stay
or
or
seek
services.
So
with
that
that
wraps
up
our
present
yep.
V
V
I
I
I
I
also
had
questions
you
know
for
the
inflation
reduction
act,
changed
the
solar
tax
credit,
so
we're
now
able
to
take
advantage
of
it.
So
it
makes
investments
even
more
economic
from
a
city
perspective,
and
so
I
guess
my
hope
is-
is
that
we
can
look
at
a
broader
range
of
solar
investments
given,
given
that
some
facilities,
where
we
haven't
previously
done
this,
the
payback
is
going
to
be
better
now
that
now
that
you
have
this,
this
new
tax
credit
in
place.
V
I
think
for
residential
properties
and
opened
it
up
so
that
the
city
can
also
benefit
from
that
tax
benefit,
so
significant
opportunity
there
to
make
better
investments
in
solar
to
expand
the
amount
of
solar
we're
building
out
and
that's
something
we're
taking
into
consideration
as
we
develop
our
solar
ppa
rfp.
Now
that
certainly
is
going
to
make
that
a
lot
easier
to
move
forward.
Also.
H
V
E
P
K
V
J
V
Our
buildings
to
make
our
buildings
off-grid
capable
to
create
a
micro
grid,
essentially
that
makes
them
more
resilient
and
would
work
really
well
as
resilience
hubs
for
the
public.
If
we
have
storm
events,
we
have
to
start
thinking
about
things
like
energy
storage
and
installing
energy
storage
at
our
facilities.
K
O
I
V
D
V
Obviously
there's
a
lot
of
factors
that
play
into
that
with
concerns
from
abutters
and
so
we'd
have
to
look
at
specific
locations
that
you
know
where
the
sighting
conditions
would
would
support
it.
But
we
haven't
looked
into
it
too
closely.
Yet
solar
is
a
easier,
faster
investment
for
us
right
now,
so
we
should
focus
on
solar
and
then
look
to
those
other
in
terms.
V
V
V
V
V
Mid-American
energy
is
looking
at
micronuclear
technology,
that's
being
developed
right
now.
There's
still,
you
know
a
lot
of
discussion
about
the
benefits
and
the
cost
of
that
and
the
safety
of
that
you're.
Still
it.
Basically
it's
it's
a
modular
nuclear
reactor
system
where
each
reactor
is
self-contained
in
a
concrete
cylinder
and
you
build
it
out
by
your
energy
demand,
but
you
still
have
to
store
those
when
you're
done
using
them
and
that's
a
challenge.
V
H
V
Ann
arbor
is
actually
looking
at
a
sustainable
energy
utility
which
they're
creating
to
help
meet
their
clean
energy
goals
and
it
kind
of
works
to
fill
in
the
gap
that
the
utility
can't
service
and
that's
a
model
that
we
could
potentially
look
at
too
as
a
way
to
support
more
clean
energy.
Build-Outs
aggregate
you
know
residential
solar
and
create
a
virtual
power
plant
that
way
or
or
different.
You
know
geothermal
loops
things
like
that
that
we
can
think
about.
A
W
W
So
well
you
guys
needed
to
laugh
after
that
last
four
hours
of
meeting,
so
we
tried
to
make
it
light-hearted
here,
one
of
the
one
of
the
tools
in
our
tool
bag
to
make
proposals
to
you
on
how
we
use
our
limited
capital
dollars
is
the
trust
for
public
lands
park
score,
albeit
our
best
analytical
tool
in
our
tool
bag.
But
when
we
leave
today,
I
want
you
to
understand
one
thing:
this
is
a
really
cool
program,
but
it's
only
one
of
the
tools.
W
Before
I
came,
I
just
double
checked
and
looked
up
we're
sitting
at
111th
largest
city
by
population
for
2022
that
counts,
and
you
might
ask
yourself:
how
did
we
get
into
this?
Well,
we
got
into
it
because
four
or
five
years
ago
we
saw
the
right
on
the
wall
with
record
investment
coming
with
the
sales
tax,
and
then
now
we
have
arpa
funds.
W
We
wanted
to
set
a
baseline
to
see
where
we
would
rank
in
the
city
to
give
you
to
give
our
park
board
and
our
staff
and
our
city
manager
one
more
tool
to
show
the
public
how
we
are
wisely
investing
limited
dollars,
and
so,
after
five
years
of
pestering
the
trust
for
public
land
staff
about
they
kept
publicizing,
they
had
100
cities
in
this.
They
didn't
they
had
like
97.,
and
we
said
we
would
like
to
get
in
on
this,
because
you
can't
buy
your
way
into
this
score.
You
can't
pay
for
anything.
W
You
can't
lobby
into
it.
It's
just
the
top
hundred.
We
said
you're
only
getting
97
cities
on
average
to
participate
in
the
actual
process,
and
that's
because
it's
a
staff
intensive
amount
of
labor
to
put
this
together
for
them
to
score
us,
and
we
figured
there
was
probably
three
or
four
cities
that
were
going
to
come
in
97,
98,
all
the
way
to
100
and
said:
why
do
all
that
work
to
find
out
we're
99th
in
the
city
and
cheer
right?
We
were
too
competitive.
W
We
wanted
to
find
out
where
we'd
sit
so
you're
about
to
see
what
goes
into
the
park
score
and
it'll.
Tell
you
where
we
are
park:
amenity,
poor
or
park
amenity
rich,
if
you
will
and
where
we
should
focus
those
dollars
again,
just
one
tool
in
our
tool:
bag
I'll,
let
daniel
take
it
from
here.
Daniel's
done
a
great
job
so
much
this
year
when
they
released
the
score.
W
X
Thank
you
ben
good
morning,
mayor
county
and
council
members,
daniel
calvert
development
planning
administrator.
It's
my
pleasure
to
present,
celebrate
and
discuss
the
trust
for
pug
lands,
2022
city
of
des
moines
parks.
This
is
the
11th
year
that
tpl
has
done
the
parks
for,
and
it's
the
fourth
year,
like
ben
said
that
the
city
of
des
moines
has
been
included
in
the
top
100
cities
in
the
rankings.
X
Today's
presentation
will
begin
with
a
high
level
overview
of
the
tpl
park
score
the
park
score
rankings
for
the
city
of
des
moines.
Some
other
results
as
they
relate
to
each
of
the
metrics
within
park
score,
as
well
as
a
swat
analysis,
strengths,
weaknesses,
opportunities
and
threats
of
the
city
of
atlanta's
tpl
park,
score
analysis
and
results.
X
So
this
first
slide
provides
an
overview
of
the
tpl
park,
score
program
and
metrics.
It
is
an
index
that
is
comprised
of
the
100
most
populous
u.s
parks
and
cities
and
systems
within
the
us.
The
index
is
created
from
analysis
metrics
in
four
key
areas.
You
can
see
those
on
the
slide
as
acreage
investment,
amenities,
access
and
equity
was
just
added
to
the
metric.
X
So
if
we
look
at
the
city
des
moines
and
their
results
from
those
metrics
on
the
previous
page
first
slide,
you
can
see
that
the
city
of
des
moines
has
a
20
22
park,
score
access
map
on
the
left,
which
you
should
have
the
hand
out
there.
It's
the
map
that
has
the
green
and
purple
on
it,
that
is
the
access
map
and
what
that
is
showing
is
metrics.
X
Now,
on
the
other
side,
the
other
map-
there
that's
shown
in
the
blue
and
orange,
that
is
the
equity
metric
and
what
that
is
showing
and
indicating
is
the
metrics
of
where
low
income
versus
high
income
census
tracks
are
located
within
the
city.
So
the
map,
on
the
left
hand,
side,
is
showing
the
highest
20
percent
census
tracts
in
the
city
for
income.
So
blue
are
areas
where
you
have
low
income
focus
or
density
within
the
city
of
des
moines.
X
In
the
background
is
the
access
layer
that
is
now
shown
in
a
graduated
orange,
so
areas
where
you
have
blue
and
basically
light
colored,
orange
or
white
or
areas
where
you
want
to
focus.
If
you
want
to
get
access
as
well
as
hit
those
low
income
communities
providing
more
access
to
parks
and
trails,
the
map
on
the
right
is
showing
the
demographics
of
racial
equity
and
access
to
parks
and
trails
within
the
city
of
des
moines,
so
that
is
showing
again
with
the
census
tracts
in
blue.
X
X
Of
one
point:
increase
an
investment
of
61
is
where
the
city
of
des
moines
really
saw
a
large
increase
in
their
scoring
from
51
to
61,
and
this
is
due
not
only
to
the
city
of
des
moines,
but
our
partners
as
well
des
moines
parks
and
recreation.
Has
the
friends
of
des
moines
parks
that
have
applied
and
received
multiple
grants
raise
money
for
projects.
We
also
have
the
icon
water
trails
project,
which
is
a
big
investment
within
the
city
as
well
as
outside
the
metro,
but
the
only
the
amenities
that
are
inside
the
city.
X
Limits
are
counted
in
that
investment
category
as
well
as
polk
county.
So
we
count
polk
county
facilities,
amenities
such
as
their
senior
centers,
so
those
are
included
in
our
metric
scoring,
even
though
they
are
not
city
of
des
moines
facility
amenities.
We
saw
a
small
increase
of
two
points
this
year
and
that
was
due
to
new
amenities
and
facilities
that
we
added
and
I'll
get
into
those
specifics
on
the
next
slides
and
then
equity.
X
So
this
acquisition,
we
use
multiple
layers
of
analysis,
including
tpl
park,
score
to
acquire
this
property
in
an
area
of
great
need.
You
can
see
on
those
maps
on
the
right
and
equity
that
it
hits
both
in
access,
low
income
and
demographic,
so
we're
reaching
with
one
move.
We
increased
from
72
percent
of
all
city
des
moines
residents
having
access
to
73
2441
new
residents
now
have
access
to
a
park
and
green
space
in
the
city
of
des
moines
because
of
that
one
purchase.
X
X
X
X
Investment
we
talked
about.
This
was
the
biggest
move
up
for
the
city
of
des
moines
and
again
you
can
see
the
aryan
orange
is
showing
those
strategic
investments
that
have
been
made
for
our
capital
improvements
and
then
in
green.
You
can
see
our
partner
organizations
that
is
highly
above
the
national
median.
We
have
25
per
residence
that
has
shown
their
words.
X
X
X
You
can
also
see
there
that
we
have
some
movement
on
restrooms.
That's
really
positive.
We
talk
about
recreation,
centers
playgrounds
is
an
area
where
we're
kind
of
in
the
middle
of
the
pack.
You
know
some
of
the
other
cities
may
be
utilizing
more
neighborhood
parks
to
have
more
playgrounds.
I
think
we're
going
to
continue
to
make
strategic
moves
to
implement
new
playgrounds.
We'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
later
in
some
of
the
upcoming
projects
that
are
imminent,
and
then
we
have
to
work
a
little
bit
on.
X
K
Just
a
question:
this
is
a
question
for
scott
about
bathrooms.
Can
can
we
look
at?
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
are
familiar
with
easter
lake
in
the
in
the
bathrooms
that
are
on
the
trail
system,
they're
set
up
a
little
different
they're.
I
mean
they're
very
clean
they're,
but
I
don't
think
they're
they're,
definitely
not
hooked
up
to
any
type
of
sewer
and
there
don't
cost
as
much
when
their
sewer
is
not
available
to
do
it.
K
Is
there
any
way
we
can
look
at
I
mean
I
think
we
can
really
make
a
big
impact
in
our
park
system
by
putting
in
some
of
those
bathrooms,
and
I-
and
I
know
that
I
don't
know
if
it's
our
policy,
if
it's
our
building
code
or
what
what
it,
what
exactly
it
is.
But
I
would
like
to
take
a
look
at
that
to
really
help
out.
Instead
of
having
kybo's
out
there,
we
can
have
a
clean
facility
to
be
able
to
put
into
some
of
these
parks.
A
K
Maybe
that's
changed,
I
think
it's
probably
half
the
half
the
amount
than
to
put
in
probably
like
the
bathroom
we
had
to
put
in
at
the
skate
park
where
there
was
probably
no
sewer
there.
There
is
yeah,
but
what
if
we
would
have
put
in,
oh,
it
could
have
been,
half
would
have
been
half
the
cost
right.
W
A
permanent
type
of
kybel
structure,
permanent,
concrete
walls
and
there
is
no
utility
hookup.
So
your
current
policy,
your
building
codes,
require
you
to
connect
to
sewer
and
sanitary
and
water
if
you're
within
so
many
feet.
I
don't
have
that
with
me
today.
The
problem
with
our
city
is
most
of
our
parks
are
neighborhoods,
which
means
there's
already
utilities
there.
So
we
would
have
to
follow
our
own
policy
or
council
would
have
to
make
a
decision
to
say
the
parks
does
not
have
to
follow
the
policy.
W
K
W
Okay,
yes,
there's
our
restrooms
today
in
the
modern,
the
modern
bed
climate,
we're
seeing
for
a
single
restroom
is
three
four
hundred
thousand
depending
on
the
big
climate.
Double
is
about
four
to
five
hundred,
sometimes
even
six
hundred
thousand
these
you
can
buy.
These
are
commercially
made
and
they
come
in
on
a
crane.
You
set
them
down
and
they're
there,
they're,
probably
half
that
cost
installed.
K
W
O
X
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question.
Only
the
schools
that
we
have
interlocal
agreements
like
brody
would
be
one
where
we
do
have
an
interlocal
agreement
and
it
stays
open
after
the
school
is
closed.
So
it's
open
to
the
public
during
off
hours,
so
the
other
schools,
those
are
not
included
in
the
scoring
metric
here.
X
I
think
they
did
that
for
tpl,
because
throughout
the
country
it's
a
little
desperate
as
as
far
as
some
some
are
gated
they're
closed
off,
they're
not
accessible,
whereas
some
that
we
see
here
in
the
city,
they
are
more
open
and
you
can
get
to
them,
even
if
it's
not
formalized
through
an
agreement
or
in
a
local.
So
I
think
that's
how
they
recognize
it.
So.
W
W
W
But
we
would
also
like
to
talk
about
further
and
they
they
are
committed
to
start
at
the
middle
school
level.
They
have.
They
have
an
idea
that
they
think
the
middle
school
level
is
the
way
to
start
this.
Partnership
with
us.
Parents
just
have
a
little
more
safety
concerns
at
the
elementary
level
with
having
it
open
to
the
public
during
the
day,
while
it's
open
toward
the
school
okay,
so
we'll.
X
I
would
think-
and
that's
one
of
those
when
we
talked
about
some
of
those
cities
that
moved
like
atlanta
cincinnati,
they
really
worked
with
the
school
districts.
They
did
10
in
atlanta
in
one
year
to
move
that
score
up.
It
doesn't
mean
that
the
this
neighborhood
and
kids
aren't
necessarily
using
that
right.
It's
just
a
metric
that
they
used
and
how
they
measure
it,
because
they
don't
know
if
it's
open
to
the
public
or
not.
So
they
kind
of
take
a
broad-based
approach
and
policy
that
unless
you
have
a
clear
agreement,
they
don't
include
it.
K
K
G
X
That's
included
in
the
metrics,
but
you
did
hit
on
a
point
that
we're
going
to
touch
on
a
little
bit
later,
which
is
emerging
trends
and
amenities
that
are
probably
going
to
get
captured
in
future
years.
The
futsal
is
a
newer
amenity
that
not
all
cities
have
yet
so
we
can
be
celebrated
and
that
we
have
several
futsal
courts
that
we're
installing
we've.
X
Programming
and
the
engagement
from
the
kids
there,
so
I
think
you're
going
to
see
in
future
years
where
we'll
get
credit
for
those
futsal
courts,
basketball
hoops
are
actually
what
they
count.
So
at
weeks
we
did
six
basketball
hoops,
knowing
that
at
recess,
you're
gonna
have
you
know
how
many
kids
hit
that
court
and
so
having
two
hoops
isn't
ideal,
but
we
got
significant
points
because
it
was
six
hoops
versus
two.
So
there
are
intricacies
to
metrics.
X
Any
metric
has
things
that
if
you
know
how
it
operates
and
works,
you
may
not
want
to
chase
the
metric,
but
just
be
aware
how
things
can
impact
the
metric,
and
we
do
have
quite
often
conversations
with
tpl
parks
course
staff.
We
were
heavily
involved
and
when
I
was
in
atlanta,
I
was
involved
with
some
of
the
early
part
score
metric
evolution,
and
so
it
has
evolved
over
time.
I
talked
about
the
equity
metrics
and
as
there's
programming,
information
and
other
information
available
from
all
100
cities.
X
You'll
you'll
start
to
see
that
layered
into
that
that
equity
metric,
but
it's
just
really
available
data,
but
yeah
you're,
absolutely
right
that
you
know
basketball
courts
are
not
antiquated
and
actually
we're
seeing
a
high
demand.
When
we
reach
out
to
the
neighborhoods
and
communities
we
did
some
engagement
for
cohen
park
and
some
of
the
folks
in
the
neighborhood
said
hey.
You
know
I
have
to
walk
across
mlk
and
walk
all
the
way
to
the
school.
I'd
love
to
have
a
hoop
here
and
we
said:
hey.
X
X
So
this
slide
here.
This
is
showing
just
relates
to
the
map
that
we
talked
about
earlier
and
60
of
higher
income
communities
in
the
city
of
des
moines
have
higher
access
to
parks
and
trails.
I
think
that's
a
large
portion
due
to
legacy
parks
and
trails
and
again
moves
and
investments
like
the
new
allen
park
will
help
to
address
that
throughout
the
city.
H
Can
I
just
say,
like
looking
at
these
charts
looking
at
the
maps
the
huge
areas
where
it
overlaps
with
low
income,
it
overlaps
with
people
of
color
and
seeing
that
we
just
don't,
have
the
investment
there
you're
talking
about
legacy
but
like?
How
did
this
happen?
Because
we
have
such
a
discrepancy
and
it
seems
like?
Are
we
investing
enough
in
fixing
this
or
how
is
this
a
problem
that
we're
just
starting
to
look
at
like?
What's
like?
How
did
this
happen
and
what
are
we
doing?
Yeah.
X
X
So
we're
working
through
a
strategic
plan
in
similar
fashion
to
what
we
did
for
identifying
where
the
new
allen
park
would
be
those
layers.
Our
live
dsm
plan,
which
shows
part
gaps.
The
tpl
park
score,
which
clearly
shows
areas
that
we
needed
to
strategically
make
investments,
and
I
think,
as
we
work
through,
that
system-wise
holistic
view
and
approach,
we
can
really
deliverable
or
deliver
equitable
services
and
new
parks
and
trails
to
the
citizens
and
residents
that
need
those.
The
most.
W
This
is
a
new
metric,
obviously
so
they're
they're
learning
as
we
learn
with
them.
Excuse
me,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we've
done
purposefully
is
when
we
work
with
donors.
Now
we
told
them,
you
know
we
can
raise
a
lot
of
money
at
grace
lake,
for
example.
We
don't
need
your
help
at
grey's
lake.
We
need
your
help
at
drake
park.
W
That's
where
we
got
the
spray
ground
donated
by
the
kelly
family,
we're
trying
to
push
our
donors
now
that
are
really
routine
great
people
to
parts
of
the
city
that
haven't
seen
that
investment
and
where
we
don't
have
the
capital
dollars.
We
take
those
capital
dollars
and
put
them
in
those
areas.
First,
now
so
we're
trying
to
catch
up
anything
that
was
historically
maybe
underrepresented
in
the
capital
budget,
for
parks,
amenities
and
improvements,
and
that's
what
the
goal
is
is
there's
still
going
to
be
limited
dollars.
W
We
still
have
77
parks
and
80
miles
of
trails,
and
I
can
keep
listening
all
the
stuff.
We
have
to
maintain
right,
never
enough
money,
no
matter
what
department
you're
talking
to,
but
this
is
another
tool:
the
tool
bag
now,
as
well
as
just
hearing
and
seeing
what's
happening
in
the
community,
to
help
us
digest
and
put
in
that
money
in
the
right
spots.
So.
H
We're
talking
about,
we
mentioned
people
moving
into
new
spaces,
and
I
have
to
be
concerned
about
ward
one.
Obviously,
I'm
looking
at
the
spot
that
the
giant
spot
on
ward
one
I
circled
almost
the
same
exact
spot
on
both
maps
for
race
and
income
and
then
almost
the
same
exact,
a
few
spots
on
the
map
that
just
talked
about
access.
This
is
a
dense
area.
That's
been
dense
for
a
long
time
right.
So
then
we're
talking
about
legacy.
H
W
About
this
is
a
tool
that
we
had
learned
about
probably
three
years
ago
when
we
started
investing
in
this
program.
Okay,
so
that's
what
we've
been
using
our
capital
dollars.
I'd
say
for
the
last
three
or
four
years,
we've
been
purposely
targeting
these
areas
to
say:
let's
invest
in
these
areas
before
we
go
back
to
folks
that
already
have
newer
amenities
in
the
park
system.
W
In
our
lives,
yeah
so
live
dsm.
We
went
through
that
process.
We
went
to
every
neighborhood
association,
hired
the
racial
institute
out
of
north
carolina
to
come
in
and
do
a
two-day
workshop
with
us
and
all
the
neighborhoods
that
came
together
that
wanted
to
participate,
and
we
purposely
came
up
with
very
similar
mapping
which
is
coming
and
showing
here,
and
we
can
send
that
to
you
and
give
that
way.
It's
really
interesting
information.
W
It
probably
takes
more
than
just
sending
you
a
link,
probably
you
and
I
have
to
sit
down
and
kind
of
walk,
that's
more
than
an
email.
They
can
never
explain
so,
let's
get
together
and
do
that.
But
yes
live
live
dsm
and
these
are
the
two
newest
tools
in
our
tool
bag
to
get
this
to
a
better
spot.
It's
not
going
to
happen
overnight.
W
Actually,
we
have
some
exciting
news:
that's
right
kind
of
it's
more
and
more
too
in
your
approved
budget
for
last
year.
The
next
project
we're
going
to
do
is
just
down
the
street
at
by
our
office
is
cohen
park,
stormwater
detention
basin
that
we
partnered
with
public
works.
Another
creative
way
to
solve
these
gaps
faster
is
find
other
government
entities
that
own
the
land.
So
in
our
case
another
department
up
on
east,
9th
and
east
douglas,
there
is
a
void
there
too.
W
That's
the
next
one
in
line,
and
then
that's
only
because
we
had
to
strike
well
that
iron
is
hot
with
that
opportunity
and
then
we'll
start
looking
at
the
system
as
a
whole
and
trying
to
rank
these
as
a
whole,
and
sometimes
when
you
have
a
rank.
You
know
where
you
want
to
go
with
these
next
fill
in
these
next
voids.
W
H
W
W
You
that
too,
so
we
have
four
dedicated
areas
in
the
city,
north,
south,
west
and
east,
that
you'll
see
the
biggest
voids.
Some
of
this
map
can
be
a
little
confusing
because
you'll
have
dark
purple
areas
in
the
middle
north
section.
That's
all
industrial,
there's,
no
homes
up
there,
there's
nobody
walking
to
a
park
right.
So
you
have
to
keep
in
mind
that
some
of
these
areas
show
a
void,
but
not
necessarily
a
void
for
right
now,
until
we
redevelop
that
part
of
the
community
so.
W
Where
there
are
people
there,
there
are
voids.
Of
course
there
are
voids
yes
all
over
the
city
here.
So
we'll
have
to
look
at
this
as
we
budget
and
historically,
we
have
not
budgeted
for
new
parkland
acquisition,
probably
because
it's
always
been
not
enough
money
to
do
all
the
other
projects
the
city
wants
to
do
so.
That's
one
of
the
goals
here
today,
too,
is
to
have
that
type
of
discussion
about
you
know.
Making
making
plans
for
the
future.
So
we
can
fill
these
voids.
Would.
H
H
K
I
probably
in
ward
4
have
the
least
pocket
parks,
and
you
know
we-
we've
tried
to
we've
tried
to
work
through
that
over
the
last
eight
years,
some
of
my
predecessors
and
some
of
the
land
just
wasn't
available
for
pocket
parks
in
that
area
and
that
lands
the
biggest
challenge.
The
land
is
the
biggest
challenge.
W
W
W
Thank
you.
That
was
what
we're
going
to
get
to
is
one
of
the
challenges
and
one
of
the
weaknesses
of
this
plan
would
be
or
this
metric
would
be.
It
rewards
you
points
for
gentrification,
which
we
don't
want
to
do
right.
So
what
we
want
to
do
is
look
at
partnerships
with
the
school
district,
other
public
land
owners
or
vacant,
lots
that
maybe
were
out
there
today
that
exists
today.
That
will
fill
those
voids.
That's
kind
of
the
three
areas
we
look
at
sorry.
W
The
way
that
they
had
the
metrics
set
up
is
if,
if
you
would
get
points
by
filling
in
those
gaps
by
tearing
houses
down,
because
sometimes
there's
not
always
a
vacant
lot
there
so
to
fill
a
void,
you'd
have
to
tear
houses
out
which
we're
not
in
the
business
of
doing
wanting
to
do
either.
That's
why
we
say
we
want
to
be
creative
and
work
with
the
schools,
elementaries
middle
schools.
I.
H
O
W
Yes-
and
today's
topic
was
just
to
show
you
that
we're
finally
focusing
and
we're
coming
to
a
point
where
we're
going
to
need
your
help
too,
eventually
right,
you
have
to
decide
as
a
policy
board.
You
know
what
what's
our
next
investment
in
make
the
future
of
des
moines,
like
your
predecessors,
did
when
they
bought
grandview
park
and
mcrae
park
125
years
ago.
Right
and
everybody
said
it
was
too
far
out.
Why
would
you
buy
that
land
right.
O
W
X
Yeah
really
good
questions
and
I
think
you're
right
there's
going
to
be
multiple
strategies
to
address
that,
and
this
is
the
tool
that
helps
to
identify
where
to
make
focus,
areas
and
emphasis
not
only
through
live
dsm,
but
through
the
tpl
park
score.
That's
exactly
the
purpose
of
this
tool
and
again
metrics
always
have
some
intricacies
that
may
not
apply
to
all
cities
equally.
X
So
while
there
are
areas
that
do
have
disparities,
the
walk
access
is
pretty
consistent
through
all
demographic
categories.
Throughout
the
city
of
des
moines,
it
may
change
from
war
to
war,
because
there's
different
complications
about
available
land
partners
and
other
issues
that
can
do
to
address
those
needs.
X
So
I
just
want
to
quickly
run
through
some
of
the
strengths
that
we
have
at
the
city.
We
talked
about
acreage
and
median
size
of
parks
within
the
city,
so
we
actually
do
get
more
credit.
The
larger
the
park
is,
which
may
may
not
be
what
residents
need
or
care
about.
We
don't
really
know,
but
it's
one
of
the
metrics
they
use.
The
assumption
is
the
larger
the
park,
the
more
it
provides
as
far
as
amenities
and
use
for
the
residents
and
public
again
we're
the
top
performer
in
spray
grounds,
which
is
pretty
amazing.
X
X
Those
are
going
to
be
big
for
providing
additional
access
to
folks
in
the
city.
So
again
the
opportunities
we
talked
about,
some
of
the
new
parks
and
amenities
coming
online.
Here
in
the
upcoming
2023
year
mcrae
park
phase
three
has
a
wonderful
new
natural,
placescape
and
spray
ground
that
we're
adding
evergreen
park
will
have
a
new
playground
on
the
north
side
of
that
park
cohen
park
that
we
talked
about
that
will
have
a
new
playground.
Bouldering
area,
that's
going
to
be
very
unique
and
ada
accessible,
emc
park
downtown
will
have
a
playscape
and
playground.
X
That's
pretty
unique
in
a
setting
that
is
difficult
to
find
a
playground
within
downtown
basketball
hoops.
We
talked
about
that
a
little
bit
as
well
cohen
park,
chesterfield
park
and
emc
park,
we'll
all
be
adding
new
basketball
hoops
to
the
city
of
des
moines,
inventory
spray
grounds
mcrae
park
that
spray
ground
will
be
coming
online.
We
know
in
the
forthcoming
years
we'll
have
new
spray
grounds
adding
to
our
inventory.
X
So
another
opportunity
is
the
investments.
We
saw
the
jump
that
the
city
of
des
moines
made
in
the
overall
scoring
for
the
tpl
park,
score
to
the
top
25
performing
city
park
system
in
the
nation,
and
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
were
able
to
make
that
jump
was
the
investment
that
we
continued
to
make
in
parks,
trails
and
recreational
facilities.
X
Some
of
the
opportunities
is
arpa
funds.
We
know
that
arpa
is
going
to
make
a
big
impact
of
parks,
trails
and
recreational
facilities
for
the
city
of
des
moines.
Other
peer
cities
are
most
likely
going
to
be
doing
those
same
gestures
and
moves.
We
don't
know
how
that's
going
to
really
shake
out.
As
far
as
overall
scoring
goes.
X
Our
friends
at
polk,
county,
their
water
and
land
legacy
bond
certainly
will
help
for
investments
that
are
specific
to
the
city
of
des
moines
within
our
our
boundary,
the
iowa
confluence
water
trails
project.
We
know
they're,
making
a
huge
strategic
investment
into
connecting
people
to
the
water
and
utilizing
our
waterfronts
that'll
be
another
factor
as
we
continue
to
move
forward
and
we've
got
to
maintain
the
reporting
to
get
those
credits
as
we
report
to
tpl.
X
So
this
may
not
be
the
correct
way
to
describe
this
slide
as
a
threat,
but
more
of
a
tracking.
So
what
are
the
the
items
that
we
need
to
be
aware
of
and
track,
as
we
think
about
park,
score
changes
in
scoring
and
methodology?
We
talked
about
emerging
trends
on
things
like
futsal
courts.
We
talked
about
the
evolution
of
the
equity
metric.
You
know.
Do
we
know
that
folks
want
a
bigger
park?
Is
that
really
what
they
want?
Or
is
it
more
about
programming
and
those
equitable
programs
that
are
provided
at
any
size?
X
Part
we've
got
to
start
thinking
about
that
and
how
that
can
be
folded
into
their
methodologies
and
be
be
sure.
We
know
how
that's
going
to
affect
it.
We've
got
to
be
careful
that
national
metrics
like
this,
which
are
great
and
wonderful,
don't
overshadow
our
express
local
needs
and
desires.
When
we
engage
with
the
neighborhoods
and
communities,
they
really
know
they
are
the
experts
about
what
they
need
and
want
in
their
neighborhood
and
their
park.
X
Obviously
we
got
to
inform
that
with
what's
logical
and
makes
sense
and
can
actually
be
implemented
through
budget
and
site
constraints.
Another
thing
to
track
is
undeveloped.
Park
land
within
the
city,
so
tpl
park
square
doesn't
necessarily
give
us
points
in
the
metrics.
For
example,
the
southeast
park
school
site
is
75.
Acres
that
is
not
open
to
the
public
does
not
have
any
current
amenities.
So
if
a
site
like
that
were
to
be
developed
that
would
hugely
impact
our
metric
and
provide
additional
services
and
amenities
within
the
city
of
des
moines.
X
We
talked
about
a
few
others
too,
that
are
going
to
be
coming
online
in
the
future
years
hamilton
drain.
That
would
be
another
project
that
will
make
a
big
impact
in
the
area
that
we
know
that
there's
a
need,
a
gap
and
has
some
accessibility
issues
with
a
walkability
to
apart.
Something
else
that
we
touched
on
was
the
gentrification.
X
Tpl
metrics
have
been
integrated
into
our
planning
efforts
for
both
our
capital
and
programmatic
investments
in
the
city
of
des
moines
parks.
The
aligning
of
our
capital
and
program
at
programmatic
strategies
will
result
in
a
holistic
approach
for
providing
equitable
access
to
parks,
trails
and
programming.
These
efforts
achieve
our
comprehensive
plan.
Goals
of
equity
attraction,
innovation
and
parks
is
the
heart
of
the
community.
X
This
has
made
our
rankings
and
metrics
most
important
for
our
service
delivery
and
the
impacts
to
the
quality
of
life
for
our
residents.
Friends
and
neighbors
in
the
city
of
des
moines.
Continued
investment
focus
and
moves
to
address
and
continue
to
meet.
The
local
needs
is
where
our
emphasis
should
reside.
For
now
we
can
celebrate
this
park
score
and
I'll.
Take
any
questions
you
may
have.
Thank
you.
H
I
H
D
Y
Today,
as
america
mentioned
we're
going
to
cover
with
we,
we've
had
a
a
wave
here
of
companies
that
are
installing
fiber
throughout
our
our
our
our
city
and
so
talking
with
scott.
We
thought
it's
a
good
time
to
kind
of
least
cover.
You
know
a
few
things
regarding
that,
starting
with
you
know
our
licensing
and
permitting
process.
So
what
what
those
entities
have
to
do
to
to
work
in
the
city
right
away?
Y
I've
got
adam
prelip,
a
civil
engineer
with
the
over
with
our
department
he's
housed
over
at
the
permit
development
center
jen
dokovic,
with
our
our
traffic
and
transportation
department
who
who
deals
with
the
right-of-way
licensing
and
I've
got
rob
silvers
our
construction
inspection
supervisor
that
oversees
a
team
that
does
inspections
for
for
utilities
that
do
work
within
the
public
right-of-way
and
I've
also
got
tom
block
behind
the
deputy
city.
Engineer.
Y
Y
That's
generally,
when
people
think
of
the
public
right
away,
it's
it's
generally
at
the
back
of
the
sidewalk
or
maybe
a
foot
behind
the
back
of
the
sidewalk.
If
there's
a
sidewalk,
it
also
includes
you
know
the
roadway,
the
parkway
any
city
utilities
that
we
have
right
away
with
can
range.
You
see
there.
We
also
have
right
away
for
our
alleys
our
right
of
ways.
The
alleys
can
be
anywhere
from
14
to
20
feet.
Our
local
residential
streets
are
often
anywhere
from
40
to
66.
Y
Y
A
surveyor's
chain
was
a
hundred
links
that
that
amounted
to
66
feet.
So
that's
my
at
least
my
belief.
Why?
Many
of
the
cities
I've
worked
for
had
66
foot
right
away
is
because
the
surveyor's
chain
was
66
feet
and
if
you
go
80
chains,
that's
one
miles.
So,
if
you
think
about
how
our
grid
was
laid
out,
but
you
know
we
have
major
arterial
roadways
that
have
have
right-of-way
widths
of
up
to
110
feet.
So
so
they
could,
they
can
range
the
public
utility
easements.
Y
There
are
differences
in
the
in
the
way
that
we
can
handle
those.
The
the
right-of-way
is,
as
I
mentioned.
It's
typically,
you
know
typically
includes
the
street
or
an
alley
and
is,
is
located
outside.
It's
not
private
property,
it's
outside
the
private
property
lines.
If
folks
on
what
would
like
to
work
in
the
city
right
away,
they
are
required
to
get
permits,
and
so
that's
where
you
know
we.
Y
We
can
enforce
actions
on
them
for
work
in
the
city
right
away
and
that's
what
we
have
a
team
to
do
that
public
utility
easements
those
you
typically
would
find
those
on
your
title
or
you
can
find
them
on
the
subdivision
plants
at
county
recorders
offices.
Those
are
like
I
mentioned
before,
typically
that
five
to
ten
foot,
you
know
along
a
property
line.
They
can
also
be
side,
yard,
easements
and
those
those
do
not
require
permitting.
That's
that's!
That's!
Y
That's
simply
an
easement
on
on
the
private
property,
so
we
do
not
have
any
means
to
enforce
any
actions
or
any
control
over
what
what
folks
do?
What
what
a
pr,
what
a
a
private
company
who's
installing
the
utility
would
do
in
those
now
again
it
they
are
they,
the
easements,
all
have
language
on
who
can
use
the
easement.
So
when
we
talk
about
a
public
utilities,
it
does
have
to
be
a
a
public
utility.
Y
H
Y
It's
it's
generally,
not
an
it's,
not
a
one
called
agreement.
It's
actually
it's
pretty
common
in
in
most
states
that
when
developments
come
in,
they
will
actually
plat
those,
and
so
it's
it's
it's
something
that
when
a
a
subdivision
happens
and
people
buy
their
lot.
Like
you
know,
if
I
buy
my
house
with
my
lot,
the
easement
was
already
there
and
now
that's
not
that
we
we
can
go
get
these.
You
know
for
projects
and
stuff
and
easements
can
be
obtained.
Y
H
Y
The
easement
was
was
typically
done,
so,
in
the
case
of
like
a
lot
of
our
our
say,
relatively
newer
developments,
it
was
it
was
set
up
by
by
the
developer
when
they
were
subdividing
the
land
they
they
had
their
engineers
and
surveyor
created
a
subdivision
plat,
which
identified
those
those
those
easements.
Okay,.
H
And
so
in,
in
those
cases
we
don't
permit,
whereas
we
would
print
on
the
right-of-way,
because
that's
our
land
right,
we
don't
permit,
and
so
whether
or
not
there
would
be
like
a
notification
to
the
resident.
If
there
was
action
happening
on
their
land
would
be
up
to
what
was
in
the
easement
when
it
was
put
there.
Y
That
that
that's
correct
so
so
for
an
example.
If,
if
say,
and
I
have
an
easement
down
my
side
yard,
it
was
there
when
I
bought
my
house
and-
and
so
I
knew
about
it,
and
so
if
I
planted
a
tree
over
that
easement
and
I
came
out
and
found
that
the
utility
was
trimming
my
tree
then
there's
I
mean,
there's
really
not
a
lot.
I
could
do
about
it.
I
mean
it's,
I
was
in
their
easement,
they
have
a
right,
it's
their
easement.
Y
K
Thank
you
so
different
questions,
steve
and
I
know
tom
has
answered
this
email
when
there's
not
an
easement
and
they've
kind
of
forced
their
way
into
someone's
yard
and
then
they've
damaged
something
and
now
we're
telling
the
resident
hey.
That's
not
us.
We
can't
help.
We
don't
have
anything
to
do
with
it,
but
they've
actually
went
into
a
private
property
and
damaged
his
fence
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
you
know
they're
offering
him.
I
mean
he's
he's
a
disabled
vet
they're,
offering
him
lowe's
gift
cards
to
fix
his
fence.
He's
got
him.
K
He
says:
there's
not
camera,
there's
camera
of
them
hiding
their
face
of
his
outside
cameras,
but
they're,
not
specifically
showing
them
damage
in
the
fence,
but
the
fence
is
damaged
and
then
they've
agreed
to
give
him
lowe's
gift
cards,
but
I
mean
he
can't
he
can't
do
the
work,
but
we
have
no
way
of
holding
them
responsible,
and
you
know
I
they're
working
on
the
southeast
side.
Metronet
is,
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
of
these
gentlemen
or
from
metronet.
K
I
don't
know
if
anybody's
here,
but
you
know
as
well
as
I
do
you
and
I
have
had
correspondence
where
you
know
they've
trashed
out
people's
yards
they've
had
to
suspend
different
people
working.
You
know
they're
they're,
not
you
know,
even
in
the
right
of
way,
they're
not
fixing
the
holes
that
they've
put
into
people's.
You
know
the
yards
that
they're
maintaining,
even
though
it
is
our
right-of-way,
but
you
know
I
know
you're
you're
out
there
and
you're
looking
at
it,
but
we're
not
able
it
seems
like
we
haven't,
been
able
to
hold
anybody
accountable.
K
K
Y
Y
K
Looks
like
that,
we're
not
holding
them
accountable.
I
understand
I
mean
I
get
it
you're,
absolutely
right,
but
you
know
when
tom
and
you
gave
him
the
correct
information
when
you
email
the
gentleman
back,
it's
like
hey,
we
didn't
hire
him
and
we
don't
have
anything
to
do
with
it.
Well
then,
all
of
a
sudden-
it's
still
our
fault,
because
now
we're
not
holding
anybody
accountable.
So
it's
a
it's
a
lose
lose
for
us.
So
I
mean
I
understand.
Y
Yep
totally
agree-
and
I
appreciate
you
know
you-
you
specifically
brought
that
to
our
attention
and
and
so
we
met
with
metro
net
leadership
and
they
they
actually
removed
the
contractor
company
right.
No,
I
know
that
yeah
so
it,
but
you
know
that
was
the
contrary
that
was
within
the
public
right-of-way.
So
we
were,
you
know
we
had.
I
K
E
Y
So
the
state
issued
that
there's
also
a
way
they
can
get
a
franchise
agreement
directly
with
the
city
and
that's
negotiated
directly
between
the
company,
the
city
and
the
example
of
that
is,
is
it
would
be,
would
be
mid-american
energy
with
with
their
franchise
with
the
city
right-of-way
license.
This
is
this.
Is
this
is
a
company
that
that
would
be
providing
a
service?
It
does
not
necessarily
mean
that
they
will
provide
service
to
everyone
within
the
area,
but
they
are
providing
a
public
service
so
so
examples
this
would
be.
Y
We
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
small,
smaller
companies,
for
example,
that
might
just
run.
One
fiber
line
between
two
private
buildings
would
be
an
example
of
that
and
and
now
some
some
entities.
You
know
examples:
google
fiber
unite
private
networks,
wellmark
they've
got
right-of-way
licenses,
so
they
are
getting
licenses
for
certain
areas
to
to
to
put
in
utilities.
Y
K
Y
Y
And
again,
I
apologize
for
a
lot
of
the
text.
To
be
honest,
some
of
the
intent
of
this
also
was
to
keep
this
presentation
for
for
use
for
later.
If
you
want
to
post
it
on
the
web
on
the
city
webpage
and
whatnot,
but
this
is
this
is
just
the
state
code
information
that
that
talks
about
you
know
the
iowa
utilities
board
and
how
they
issue
what
their
rights
are
in
issuing
a
certificate
of
franchise
authority.
I
will,
I
will
read
thread
I
actually
have
a
table.
Y
As
I
mentioned,
there's
there's
actually
44
approved
right-of-way
license
holders
within
the
city
today
that
have
16
million
linear
feeder
facilities
already
in
there,
and
so
so,
there's
already
quite
a
bit
of
utilities
that,
within
our
right-of-way
and
and
just
to
clarify
in
the
title
of
the
slides
and
internet
providers,
the
the
licensee
may
not
necessarily
be
the
provider
they
just
may
have
the
facility,
and
then
they
might
lease
it
to
to
an
actual
provider.
So
we
actually
don't
actually
know
who
all
the
the
internet
providers
are
within
the.
Z
G
E
Y
Y
So
so,
in
other
words,
a
company
might
get
a
license
for
a
couple
streets
and
then
they
might
say:
well
we
want
to
do
more,
so
then
they
would
have
to
get
another
license.
They
would
get
a
license
addendum,
which
would
have
fees
for
that.
So
you
couldn't
just
get
for
500
a
license
for
the
whole
city.
It's
it's
restricted
on,
not
an
area.
Well,.
G
Y
Then
then,
what
happens
is
either
they
or
typically
their
contractor,
will
have
to
get
a
permit
to
actually
physically
be
in
the
right
way,
and
so
section
102
707
of
our
code
says
that
if
you,
if
you
want
to
occupy
the
right-of-way
and
obstruct
the
right-of-way
or
excavate
in
the
right-of-way,
you
need
to
get
a
permit
and
there
are
limitations
on
these
permits
as
well
and
fees
that
go
with
those.
And
so
then
the
contractor.
Y
Y
Y
They
obviously
do
not
need
to
get
a
right-of-way
license,
so
they
go
right
to
they'll,
submit
a
plan,
a
plan
of
where
they're
going
and
then
once
that
plan
is
is,
is
approved.
You
know
we
by
our
team
general.
Sometimes
simple
plans
can
only
take
a
couple
days.
If
you
know,
if
it's
real
simple,
if
it's
more
complex
it
can
take,
it
can
be.
Y
So
generally-
and
you
can
correct
me
wrong,
but
typically
what
I've
seen
it's
typically
like
a
almost
not
say
it's
created
a
gis,
but
it's
it's.
It's
just
kind
of
a
plan
that
shows
where,
where
their
facility
is
going,
and
sometimes
they
put
those
on
aerials,
sometimes
they
put
those
on
kind
of
an
engineering
type
plan
sheet,
and
so
it
just
shows
where
their
facility
is
going.
Y
And
then
our
team
will
check
that
against
one
to
make
sure
that
they
show
typical
sections
that
show
that
the
facility
will
be
at
least
like
30
inches
deep,
that
the
facility
is
not
going
to
be
in
conflict.
We
have
a
lot
of
construction
work
going
on
all
over
the
city.
You
know
is
that
going
to
impact
a
a
project,
a
lot
of
times
a
lot.
We
have
a
lot
of
overlapping
efforts,
so
how
that
happens?.
Y
All
right,
so
this
is
a
right
away,
license
process
this.
Typically
this
actually
typically
takes
about
30
to
60
days.
To
do
so.
It
is
a
longer
process
if
you
do
not
have
a
a
a
a
franchise
certificate,
and
so
they,
the
first
step,
is
to
apply
for
the
right-of-way
license.
They
would
also
summon
a
plan
with
that.
Y
Y
Y
We
have
contractors
that
have
worked
that
have
done
these
before,
and
so
those
are
typically
can
be
almost
only
like
two
business
days
to
turn
those
around
if
they've
filled
out
that
information
out
correctly,
but
if
it's
a
newer
contractor
and
they
have
to
get
insurance
and
bonds
reviewed,
then
then
they
require
additional
time.
You
know
we
do
they,
they
are
required
to
be
insured.
They
are
required
to
have
bonds
because
they
are
going
to
be
potentially
physically
digging
up
the
right-of-way.
So
they
could.
Y
You
know
we
need
to
have
some
assurance
that
that,
if
they
tear
something
up
that
they
need
to
put
it
back
correctly,
and
so
that's
what
our
team
does
is
make
sure
that
they
restore
the
right-of-way
back
to
what
it
was,
and
so
that's
like
I
said
it
could
be.
One
to
two
business
days
is
typical
for
for
that
process,
but
again
sometimes
it
can
be
up
to
a
week
for
them
to
get
that
permit.
H
If,
if
a
utility
currently
exists-
and
they
are
wanting
to
expand
where
they
had
originally
said-
that
they
were
going
to
put
things,
would
they
have
to
submit
like
an
updated
utility
plan?
Is
there
a
way
to
check
if
the
permits
are
like
being
like
if
they're
asking
for
permits
in
places
where
that's
already
on
the
youtube
utility
plan,
or
how
has
that
kept
track
of.
Y
So
so
again,
first
they
they
have
to
have
the
right
to
be
there.
So
if
it's
a
so,
if
it's,
if
it's
someone
that
does
not
have
a
right-of-way
a
franchise
certificate,
they
can
only
put
their
facility
within
the
the
the
area
that's
identified
on
the
right-of-way
license.
So
then
they
they
they
could
not
work
outside
that
area.
They
would
not
have
a
right
to
be
there
unless
they
submitted
a
right-of-way
license
addendum.
So
they'd
have
to
go
back
through
that
previous
flow
chart.
H
Y
And
this,
and
actually
this
table
right
here,
hopefully
summarize
kind
of
the
the
differences
between
the
two.
It's
kind
of
our
summary
that
shows
you
know
the
difference
in
the
fees
the
difference
in
the
durations
and
on
there
there
it
is
there's
the
term
right
there,
the
five
years
for
the
right-of-way
license.
It
looks
like
a
state
estate
franchise
is
10
years
and
then
it
could
be
renewed.
Y
Y
I
think
it
was
like
two
years
five
days
ago
now
I
gave
a
presentation
on
small
wireless
facilities
and
and
that
that's
that's
under
a
different
state
code
on
on
how
they
can
be
here,
and
so,
just
when
you
see
those
verizon
or
or
at
t,
small
wireless
facilities
go
up.
That's
under
a
different
code
process.
Y
Y
Y
Y
D
Y
We
have
received
some
some
recent
plans
and
this
this
I
know
this
is
if
it's
a
little
bit
hard
to
see,
but
actually
metronet
is,
is
looking
at
putting
facilities
throughout
the
entire
city
of
des
moines.
So
this
is
the
entire
map
of
des
moines.
They
have
it.
If
you
look
at
the
the
blue,
the
blue
and
and
councilmember
gatto
mentioned
this.
They
they've
they've
been
working
heavily
in
southeast
des
moines
and
that
that's
what
the
blue
is
they've
put
in
the
green
already.
Y
They
are
looking
at
a
mix
of
underground
and
and
utilizing
aerial,
and-
and
so
you
can
see
there,
they've
already
put
in
20
miles
of
underground
42
miles
of
aerial
they've
started
in
the
southeast
and
southeast
of
our
city.
They
intend
to
move
over
to
the
southwest,
then
go
northeast
and
then
northwest.
So
you
can
see
their
timeline
right.
There.
Y
Y
AA
O
Y
K
Y
Y
U
N
H
So
the
process
for
them
coming
into
a
neighborhood
as
joe's
been
talking
about
as
well,
they
would
come
in
they
would
get
their
permit
for
the
right
of
way.
They
would,
you
know,
cut
out
a
patch
of
the
street,
go
underneath
patch
that
back
up
and
then
also
go
into
the
yards
of
of
users
and
and
tear
that
up
to
put
in
like
to
that
to
the
home
fiber.
Y
So
so,
typically
what
they
do
and
they
have
different
terms
these,
but
you
know
like
just
to
kind
of
give
you
an
example.
What
you
maybe
already
see
is
like
so
some
entities
have
like
pedestals
and
they'll
put
those
pedestals
kind
of
like
on
the
property
line,
and
then,
when
they
get
a
a
customer,
then
they
run
the
private
service
from
the
pedestal
to
the
house.
Okay,
so
they'll
they'll
go
through
it,
and
I
can't
remember
the
term
that
I
know
mediacom
uses
you
had
it.
You
told
me
that
the
other
day
but.
AA
So
so
those
are
just
drops
that
will
run
from
the
mainline
fiber
that
they
run
in
the
right
of
way.
That
will
then
just
it'll
just
be
like
your
media,
comma.
Your
essentially
inclined
now
it'll
be
fiber
into
your
house,
and
so
the
speeds
will
be
incredible
based
on
what
we
have
in
a
large
part
of
the
city
right
now
so,
but.
AA
AA
I
I
had
a
question
this
goes,
I
mean
google
was
entirely
underground.
Metronet
is
like
right,
but
they're,
they're
cr,
I
mean
one
of
the
things
we
get
from
residents,
not
not
necessarily
and
these,
but
the
residents
want
utilities
underground.
Generally
right
I
mean
just
from
an
aesthetic
perspective.
I
Y
I
Y
I'm
not
aware
that
we
would
have
the
ability
in
areas
so
so
so
we
have
the
underground
district
downtown
and
then
I
think,
with
our
new
subdivision
plats
that
come
in.
We
put
stipulations
on
those
to
require
everything
in
that
area
to
be
underground,
but
the
existing
I'm
not
aware
that
we
would
have
any
ability
to
make
them
be
underground
in
in
an
area
that
has
ariel.
I
D
F
E
I
And
under
that
scenario,
so
hypothetically
you're
building
out
in
waukee
and
they
have
every
every
utility
underground.
If
someone
goes
in
new
there,
that
person
that
that
utility
or
that
service
provider
like
if
metronet
went
to
waukee
and
mediacom
and
google
were
already
there
underground
and
everything
was
underground,
they'd
have
to
go
underground
there,
but
because
we're
sort
of
grandfathered
and
have
stuff
above
ground,
we
have
to
treat
all
all
providers
the
same
as
what
you're
saying.
N
Y
We
have
have
have
had
representatives
from
lumen
media
common
verizon
that
have
also
informed
us
that
they,
they
are
also
continuing
to
in
improved
service
throughout
our
our
city
as
well.
So
you
see
those
listed
here
lumen
with
the
fiber
densification
plan
to
improve
service
there
and
mediacom
with
a
10g
technology
infrastructure
plan
to
improve
as
well.
Verizon
has
also
been
installing
fiber
throughout
the
the
city
as
well.
So
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
that
again,
these
aren't
the
only
two.
I
Y
And
we
also,
there
are
some
entities,
we
don't
know
they
may
have
applied
for
the
license,
but
we
don't
know
if
they're,
actually
a
provider
right.
They
we
have
some
entities,
I
guess
maybe
to
call
out
one
but
like
unite.
I'm
not
sure
that
unite
provides
any
serv
service.
I
think
they
put
all
these
facilities
in
and
then
other
entities
are
the
users
of
that
actually
provide
different
services.
I
A
H
Y
Y
H
Just
it
sounds
like
we're
acting
like
we
don't
know
who
is
working
and
what
companies
exist
when
we
could.
We
have
the
communication
like
ability
to
communicate
with
people
who
are
who
are
getting
permits
is
like
correct,
so
like
we
could
communicate
and
say
hey.
We
just
want
to
know.
We
can
start
that
relationship
and
ask
for
that
information
of.
When
is
this
energized?
When
can
I
go
ahead
and
tell
residents
that
you
have
another
option
if.
A
I
can
interject
we'll
we'll
do
the
research
on
this,
but
I
don't.
There
may
be
legal
issues
about
even
asking
who
you're
going
to
allow
to
use
your
fiber,
okay,
and
so
I'm
going
to
guess
at
this
point.
That's
not
going
to
be
the
option
we're
going
to
use
it's
going
to
be
more
about
letting
the
known
providers
out
there
asking
them.
A
How
best
can
we
direct
residents
that
come
through
us
if
they're
asking
about
service
and
actually
see,
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
aggregate
some
of
that
information
for
residents
that
come
to
us
first
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
pass
them
on
to
good
information?
So
let
us
let
us
research.
This
is
the
first
time
we've
had
to
we've
had
the
opportunity
to
worry
about
this.
I.
O
Think
and
it's
an
informational
if
they're
already
going
out
in
neighborhoods,
giving
brochures
or
whatever
the
overall.
These
are
the
people
coming.
If
you
have
questions
contact
the
providers
or
just
that,
this
is
the
opportunity
that
there
could
be
more
than
one
company
I
mean
just
because
it
gets
confusing.
I
would
think
it.
A
H
A
Somebody
an
individual
getting
that
request
is
not
going
to
necessarily
know
who
else
is
even
available
so
well
I
what
I
can
get.
What
I
am
confident
we
can
get
is
the
correct
contact
information
for
each
of
the
providers
that
are
in
town
today,
and
at
least
that
gives
them
a
conduit
to
get
to
the
vendors.
K
A
AA
With
metronet
and
our
relationship
with
them,
okay,
those
contractors
that
are
going
to
exhibit
those
kind
of
things
that
happen
on
the
southeast
side.
They
will
not
continue
to
work
in
des
moines.
Okay,
there
is
a
process,
and
I
I
think
the
process
with
us
would
be
to
call
them
in.
We
could
then
double
feed
them
for
one
year
and
if
they,
if
they
mess
up
again
within
that
year,
we
can
kick
them
out.
We're
not
gonna
have
to
go
through
that
process
with
metronet.
I
think
it's
gonna
be
much
easier.
AA
AA
AA
A
AB
AB
AB
We'll
talk
about
ground
source
heat
pumps,
more
commonly
known
as
geothermal
systems,
also
air
source
heat
pumps,
which
are
an
up
and
coming
technology.
That,
I
really
believe,
is
a
one
of
the
future
steps
in
electrification
and
energy
efficiency,
and
I
didn't
make
it
on
the
slide.
But
we're
also
going
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
financial
incentives
that
are
currently
available
through
mid-american
energy
and
also
a
number
of
more
significant
financial
incentives
that
are
coming
online.
AB
AB
AB
AB
So
really,
really
all
of
us
have
have
heat
pumps
in
our
in
our
homes.
Today,
anyone
who
has
refrigerator
has
a
heat
pump
in
your
home,
it
it
pulls
heat
from
the
air
in
the
atmosphere
in
the
room.
I'm
sorry
it
pulls
heat
from
the
the
air
inside
the
refrigerator
and
it
dispenses
it
out
into
the
air
in
the
atmosphere
in
the
room.
That's
a
heat
pump,
it's
it's
not
created
and
it's
just
pulling
it
from
one
one
location
pushing
it
to
another.
AB
They
function
the
same
way.
They
pull
heat
from
the
inside
of
the
house.
Push
the
outside
atmosphere,
the
the
difference
with
heat
pumps
is
today's
technology
heat
pumps
have
been
used
for
years
for
air
conditioning
to
provide
cooling
during
during
hot
dogs,
but
with
the
newer
technology,
heat
pumps
are
becoming
more
efficient
to
also
provide
heating
during
colder
older
times
of
the
year.
AB
AB
However,
with
these
with
these
installations,
the
the
retrofits
do
become
a
little
more
costly.
We
need
to
connect
the
roof
of
the
house
to
the
electric
meter
and
in
between,
we
have
to
have
a
shut
off.
So
if
the
fire
department
has
to
come
out
to
respond
to
a
fire,
they
want
to
be
able
to
kill
the
electricity
that
may
be
coming
through
that
rooftop
pv
system.
So
it's
not
energizing
the
rest
of
the
house.
AB
When
we
have
a
retrofit
done,
we
either
have
conduit.
That's
ran
through
the
interior
of
the
house,
which
can
become
costly
to
do
when
you're,
trying
to
fish
those
push
the
conduit
and
wires
through
an
existing,
an
existing
building
or
often
times
we'll
see
some
conduit.
That's
ran
across
the
exterior
of
the
siding
and
just
get
a
little
bit
unsightly.
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
You
know
how
I
talked
about
the
refrigerator
in
our
homes
that
pulls
heat
from
the
fridge
and
dispenses
it
out
in
the
atmosphere
in
the
room
heat
pump,
water
heaters
function,
just
in
reverse,
they
pull
heat
from
the
atmosphere
in
the
room
and
push
it
into
the
into
the
water
tank.
So
that's
that's.
What
heats
the
water
that's
that's,
distributed
throughout
the
building
they're
much
more
energy
efficient
than
the
more
common
electric
and
gas
and
gas
water
heaters.
AB
It
would
it
would
much
much
like
the
the
deep
freeze
or
the
refrigerator
would
make
the
room
warmer.
The
the
water
heater
would
take
pull
heat
out
of
the
room,
but
where
we
see
to
throw
some
numbers
at
this,
the
the
typical
gas
water,
heater
or
electric
water
heater
has
a
uniform
energy
factor.
That's
the
measure
of
how
energy
efficient
it
is.
AB
AB
AB
H
AB
AB
With
these
types
of
water
heaters
they
do.
They
typically
do
incorporate
the
electric
resistance
heat
back
up
right.
So
if
you
have
the
family
over
for
the
weekend
and
everybody's
running
through
the
shower
back
to
back,
then
that
typical
electric
heat
backup
kicks
in
to
try
and
keep
the
hot
water
flowing.
AB
AB
AB
So
having
that
more
consistent,
medium
to
extract
heat
from
or
to
to
disperse
the
heat
into,
makes
these
systems
very
efficient,
we
do
see
them
on
the
residential
side
and
as
well.
On
the
commercial
side,
the
des
moines
public
schools
have
have
retrofitted
a
number
of
their
buildings
with
with
geothermal
systems.
AB
AB
The
engineers
that
we
talk
to
recommend
that
we
we
always
work
in
an
emergency
backup
heat.
If
there's,
if
there's
some
glitch
in
the
electrical
grid,
where
that
that
compressor
for
that
heat
pump
has
to
shut
down
and
has
a
hard
time
starting
back
up
because
of
the
extreme
temperatures,
then
the
emergency
backup
heat
is
what
comes
into
play
again.
The
there's
a
30
federal
tax
credit.
That's
going
to
be
available
for
the
the
cost
of
these
systems.
The
next
10
years.
AB
So
we'll
get
into
the
air
source
heat
pumps.
I
really
think
this
is
a
more
a
more
feasible
option
for
a
lot
a
lot
more
structures.
The
technology
is
changing
rapidly
again.
The
engineers
that
we
talked
to
will
tell
us
that
the
the
high
efficiency
air
source
heat
pump
today
two
years
from
now,
will
not
be
in
that
high
efficiency
category.
AB
AB
There's
multiple
options
available
for
these.
For
these
heat
pumps,
the
the
more
efficient
ones
are
called
a
ductless
mini
split
system
and
we'll
get
into
those
here
in
a
little
more
detail
in
a
future
slide.
But
we
also
have
the
typical
ducted
systems.
We
have
essentially
a
central
air
handler
or
a
furnace
that
utilizes
an
air
source
heat
pump
to
provide
the
primary
heating
and
cooling
sources
again.
These
these
do
have
the
the
30
30
federal
tax
credit
that
becomes
available
in
2023
and
a
number
of
mid-american
energy
rebates
as
well.
AB
AB
Those
are
two
measures
of
just
how
well
a
heat
pump
provides
cooling,
they're
very
similar,
but
essentially
they're
telling
you
the
the
ratio
of
cooling
that
the
system
will
produce
based
on
the
amount
of
electricity
that
consumes
the
the
heating
seasonal
performance
factor
is
very
similar.
It's
doing
the
same
thing:
how
much
heat
does
it
produce
or
the
amount
of
electricity
consumed?
AB
Another
term
is
the
coefficient
of
performance,
and
the
reason
that
I
have
all
of
these
listed
is
because,
depending
on
the
manufacturer
that
you're
looking
at
you
might
see
two
or
three
of
these,
but
not
all
the
manufacturers
publish
the
same
data
so
just
want
to
do
a
little
overview,
a
good
way
to
think
about
the
coefficient
of
performance.
If
you're
looking
at
the
you're
looking
at
the
coefficient
of
performance
for
heating,
you
can
compare
it
to
the
electric
resistance
heat.
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
This
that
electric
electric
powered
heat
pump
can
provide
cooling
in
the
summertime
as
well
as
heating
in
the
winter
time.
It's
just
it's
just
paired
with
a
a
central
furnace
or
an
air
handler,
and
that
air
handler
it
does
give
the
option
of
the
air
handler
being
natural,
gas-fired
or
or
having
electric
backup
heat.
H
H
AB
About
at
all,
it's
I
I'd
say
it's
it's
something
to
keep
in
mind,
as
as
building
owners
are
looking
to
update
their
equipment,
it's
an
option,
but
it
does
come
with
wiring
needing
to
be
ran
throughout
the
building
to
to
power
those
those
compressor
units.
It
would
be
a
substantial
change
for
that
type
of
a
design.
AB
What
I
can
say
is
that
those
types
of
systems
are
fairly
common
in
european
countries,
but
what
you'll
notice
is
you
look
at
the
the
exterior
balconies
on
all
those
buildings?
Each
one
of
them
has
one
or
two
compressor
units
that
sits
out
there
and
the
wiring
that's
ran
to
them
to
power
them,
and
then
they
feed
the
the
refrigerant
lines
back
into
the
back
into
the
unit
that
the
power
of
the
individual
air
handling
units.
AB
H
I
Right
so,
but
in
a
sort
of
the
conventional
ducted
system,
that's
run
on
natural
gas.
Today,
if
your
electricity
goes
out,
that
system
still
goes
out
because
you
don't
have
the
the
central
fan
to
pump
the
heated
air
through
the
ducts
in
your
system
right.
So
in
either
case,
if
your
electricity
goes
out,
your
heating
source
is
going
out
yep.
It
is.
I
AB
AB
I
Yeah
I
mean
another
thing
to
keep
in
mind
like
vehicle-to-grid
technology
with
electric
vehicles
can
serve
that
backup
source
it
as
well
depends.
I
mean
you've,
got
to
have
your
house
wired
to
to
handle
that
input,
and
not
every
every
house
is
but
but
like
the
the
ford
lightning
is
built
to
serve
that
vehicle.
The
grid
function.
AB
AB
So
this
this
this
slide's
getting
a
little
more
into
the
details
here,
there's
a
in
minnesota
there's
an
air
source
heat
pump
collaborative
that
was
put
together
in
2019
and
it
was
formed.
It
was
formed
by
the
let's
see.
What
is
I
got
written
down
here,
the
center
for
energy
and
environment,
and
it
was
a
collaboration
with
them
and
the
minnesota
utility
companies
to
really
do
some
studies
on
the
use
of
of
air
source
heat
pumps
in
in
minnesota.
AB
I
AB
AB
H
A
K
AB
Typically,
if
you're
looking
at
replacing
an
air
conditioning
unit
and
compressor
with
an
air
source
heat
pump,
you
likely
have
enough
amperage
there
to
do
the
one
for
one
extreme
right.
If
you're
looking
to
do
an
air
source
heat
pump
with
an
electric
strip,
emergency
heat,
backup
right,
then
you're,
adding
more
amperage
on
that.
That
may
require
some
upgrades
and
and
additional
additional
yeah.
K
E
K
It's
not
it's
not
trying
to
cool
it.
It's
when
we
get
so
cold
and
not
using
natural
gas
and
trying
to
use
these
heat
pumps.
It
becomes
to
retrofit
it
to
some
of
the
homes
that
are
here.
I
mean
you're,
adding
additional
costs
that
are
through
the
roof,
and
I
don't
once
again
I
don't
know
what
the
paybacks
are
so
we'll
and
we'll
just
I'm
not
sure
I
mean
I.
I
know
why
we're
going
through
this,
but
I
I
I
guess
I
don't,
but.
K
M
Or
business
because
I
know
I've
talked
to
a
developer
up
in
highland
park
who
just
bought
a
building,
and
he
said
I
I
had
I
had
to
buy,
there's
not
enough
electricity.
The
grid
isn't
big
enough
in
that
area
to
handle
all
the
electricity
that
they
need.
So
surely
we're
a
long
ways
away
from
from
mandating
this.
A
M
M
A
What
we
need
to
understand
from
council,
because
I
wanted
to
break
this
into
two
conversations:
the
technology
and
understanding
what
is
even
available
out
there
and
how
quickly
is
that
changing
over
time
and
have
a
better
understanding
of
that
before
we
even
talked
about
policies
and
so
at
the
conclusion
of
this
and
and
we'll
get
to
that.
If
we
can
finish
the
presentation
I'll
be
asking
for
where
the
council
guidance
is
on
putting
staff
time
into
policy
development.
AB
All
right,
so
this
slide
really
ties
closely
with
the
next
slide,
so
notice,
the
the
hybrid
system
and
we've
got
the
conventional
system
at
the
top,
the
all
electric
system
at
the
bottom
and
the
hybrid
systems
in
between
with
the
various
temperatures
of
switch
over
this.
This
just
shows
the
number
of
hours
and
essentially
the
reduction
in
gas
consumption
that.
AB
AB
They
also
do
a
cost
analysis,
and-
and
this
is
where
the
the
operating
cost
analysis
comes
from,
so
this
is
a
bit
outdated
on
the
far
left.
It
shows
the
the
estimated
annual
cost
of
the
conventional
system
on
the
far
right.
It
shows
the
estimated
annual
cost
of
the
all-electric
system
and
each
column
in
between
are
the
various
hybrid
systems.
AB
AB
AB
AB
K
K
H
So
you're
saying
that
680
was
at
the
70
or
70
cents,
a
third
but
we're
paying
we're
actually
paying
like
a
dollar
a
therm,
so
it's
actually
much
higher
than
that
680.
yep.
Okay,
I
understand
how
consistent
is.
Is
that
that
dollar
a
therm?
Is
that
because
of
the
high
gas
prices,
or
is
that
more
average
like
of
what
we're
paying.
AB
AB
I
I
Just
this
same
study
that
the
differential
would
actually
probably
be
pretty
different
because
the
kilowatt
hours,
if
we're
paying
nine
cents
a
kilowatt
hour
versus
12
cents
a
kilowatt
hour,
there
is
a
significant
difference,
so
that'd
be
a
pretty
important
thing.
Getting
that
cost
benefit
done
accurately.
AB
AB
There
was
a
break
in
the
rate,
your
electric
rate
that
you
got
once
you
got
above
a
certain
amount
of
electric
usage
each
month.
So
then,
once
you
put
in
that
heat
pump,
you
knew
you
were
going
to
be
using
above
that
amount
every
month.
So
your
monthly
rate
for
that
electric
per
kilowatt
drop
substantially.
AB
Yeah
I
have
a
gas
furnace
in
the
basement.
That's
a
backup
basically,
and
it
runs
as
cody
said
down
about
it's
set,
probably
at
25,
okay,
and
then
it
kicks
over
to
to
the
gas
furnace
beyond
that,
but
other
than
that.
It's
running
heating
and
cooling,
nine
and
11
months
here,
the
only
days
that
are
above
you
know
once
it
gets
below
25
than
that
all
right.
Thanks
for
the
experience
appreciate
it
nice
real
world
example
there
all
right,
I'm
going
to
jump
into
some
of
the
financial
incentives
here
and
we'll
keep
this
moving
along.
AB
So
with
the
inflation
reduction
act
came
a
whole
lot
of
stuff,
and
this
is
just
a
very
basic
overview
of
what's
out
there
for
for
all
households,
a
lot
of
30
tax
credits
are
available
for
heat
pump
technology.
Photovoltaic
systems
upgrades
to
the
electric
panels,
weatherization,
making
the
homes
more
more
insulated,
more
tight,
less
leaky,
there's
also
some
some
tax
credits
that
come
for
more
of
an
overall
approach
to
making
a
home
more
energy
efficient
these
at
the
bottom,
the
whole
home
energy
reductions.
AB
AB
AB
So
I
think
a
lot
of
this
stuff
will
come
out
in
a
much
more
detailed
format
once
the
inflation
reduction
act
is,
is
digested
and
and
put
into
practice,
but
a
lot
of
those
updates.
A
lot
of
the
stuff
in
there
is
really
focused
on
on
providing
the
incentives
to
help
cover.
The
cost
of
the
upgrades
would
be
necessary
for
these
types
of
systems.
AB
So,
for
example,
that
would
include
a
new
construction
like
you
could
get
every
single
one
of
those
rebates,
with
maybe
the
exception
of
the
energy
reduction
rebate.
I'm
I'm
not
sure
how
they
will
apply
to
new
construction,
the
the
way
that
it
was
presented
and
I've
got
a
link
on
a
future
slide
here.
It
just
said
it
was
available
to
all
income
levels.
My
my
understanding
is
that
I
think
it
would
be
available
for
a
new
construction,
but
I'm
not
I
I
would
want
to.
AB
AB
AB
40
000
to
a
four-person
household
would
be
60
000
yen,
that's
60
percent.
In
my
so
it
would
be
above
that,
if,
if
you're
going
to
80
percent
reform,
not
to
get
too
into
the
tdm,
just
like
I
know
with
the
chart,
we
were
looking
at
with
the
cost
comparison
you
know
was:
maybe
we
needed
a
little
bit
more
information
for
des
moines,
but
I
mean
just
based
on
just
a
dollar
a
therm
versus
70
cents,
a
therm.
It
looks
like
that
the
gas
heating
costs
went
up
from
680
to
about
970..
AB
AB
AB
Feasible
got
links
here
to
a
number
of
the
number
of
the
resources
that
I've
been
referencing
that
the
first,
the
first
one
there,
the
rewiring
america
link
that
provides
a
link
to
a
calculator
for
those
for
those
incentives
that
are
that
are
coming
up
made.
American
energy
rebates
available
for
iowa
customers
and
then
the
minnesota
air
source
heat
collaborative.
There's.
A
lot
of
good
studies,
a
lot
of
good
case
studies
there
and
tools
that
are
available
for
property
owners
as
well
as
contractors.
AB
So
as
we
move
forward
just
want
to
rehash
some
of
the
some
of
the
additional
considerations
that
need
to
go
into
any
any
decisions
that
are
made
moving
forward,
that
the
technology
is
changing
quickly,
if,
if
we
as
the
city,
want
to
write
specifications
for
things,
it's
going
to
be
good
to
keep
in
mind
that
a
specification
that's
written
today
might
be
outdated
next
year.
We're
talking
like
like
computers.
You
know
you
buy
a
computer
this
year
and
next
year
it's
it's!
It's
completely.
AB
It's
completely
old,
similar
concepts
with
with
heat
pump
technology.
So
as
if
we'll
go
ahead.
Well,
I
have
a
question
in
that
regard,
because
I
mean
the
industry
sort
of
solves
that
problem
with
with
codes
right,
so
we
could
tie
to
the
energy
conservation
code,
which
is
an
industry
standard,
and
that
is
updated
on
a
regular
basis.
AB
So
it
would
then,
if
we
tied
to
the
energy
conservation
code,
it
would
be
and
it
updated
every
time
the
energy
transformation
code
updated.
We
wouldn't
we
wouldn't
be
writing
a
standard
that
would
be
out
of
date.
We
would
be
writing
a
standard
that
would
rely
on
the
association
and
the
industry
that
actually
updated
it
so
that
we
wouldn't
right.
I
mean
that
that's
different
than
saying
you
know
we
want
you
to
meet
like
mitsubishi.
Has
a
high
end,
a
24
seer
heat
pump.
AB
It
needs
to
be
mitsubishi's,
24,
seer
heat
pump.
I
mean
there's
a
way
to
write
to
to
specify-
and
you
would
agree
with
that.
Certainly
tie
into
an
industry
standard
that
is
routinely
updated
to
to
match.
What's
out
there
is,
is
going
to
be
a
a
better
way
for
us
to
move
forward
than
us
to
write
a
static
standard
that
might
not
change
for
the
next
five
years
that
that's
going
to
be
a
better
way
to
keep
up
to
speed
with
the
technology
as
it
changes.
AB
What
that
what
that
standard
is,
I
don't
have
the
answer
to
that,
but
I
would
think
that
anything
we
do.
We
would
want
to
do
it
with
our
regional
partners.
I
don't.
I
can't
remember
what
that
group
is.
That
means
that
everybody
comes
together
from
all
the
different
localities
and
they
talk
about
what
you
know.
What
standards
they're
going
to
follow?
AB
AB
AB
AB
That
is
what
they
are
building
as
their
standard
model,
so
it
can
be
done,
and-
and
that
is
that
is
my
preference
for
the
direction.
We
go
with
further
conversation,
and
I
actually
thought
that
was
the
conversation
that
we
were
going
to
be
having
today,
although
I
think
the
technology
piece
is,
is
important,
baseline
information,
I
I
would
just
like
to
comment
on
that
habitat
for
humanity.
As
a
non-profit,
they
take
a
loss
on
every
single
house
that
they
build.
They
depend
on
on
people
to
give
money
to
help
support
habitat.
AB
That
is
much
different
than
people
who
are
living
in
des
moines
that
are
building
in
des
moines.
They
they
have
to
pay
for
that.
We
are
making
homes
unaffordable
and
we
have
to
oil.
Yes,
we
want
to
meet
our
energy
standards.
I
think
you
know
mid-american
offers
offers
incentives,
they
offer
rebates,
but
it's
to
keep
things
affordable.
If
we
were
to
put
standards
that
are
not
being
required
by
our
suburban
friends,
we
will
lose
even
more
of
our
residents
from
this
city.
AB
We
know
that
our
suburbs
they're
growing,
like
you
know,
look
at
ankeny,
look
at
all
of
the
suburbs
they're
growing,
because
people
go
out
there
to
build
and
houses
are,
are
affordable
and
they
would
never
even
consider
putting
things
like
this
in
place
for
all
new
for
new
builds.
If
you
talk
about
homes
that
are
already
built,
if
you're
saying
well
in
order
to
get
tax
abatement,
if
you
put
a
new
furnace
in
you
have
to
make
it
all
electric
des
moines
is
an
old
city.
AB
We
still
have
a
lot
of
homes
that
have
60
amp
services
or
80
amp,
that's
getting
less
and
less
with
60,
but
you
know
80
amp,
100
amp
is
pretty
common.
It
was
just
a
couple
of
years
ago
that
single
family
residences
put
in
200
amp,
but
that
requires
quite
a
bit
of
rewiring
and
quite
a
bit
of
of
an
additional
thought.
AB
So
to
do
some
of
these
things,
it
would
be
so
cost
prohibitive
that
we
would
be
driving
people
out
of
their
homes
if
we
were
to
require
homes
to
do
this,
I
think
about
our.
You
know:
we
talk
about
affordable
housing
and
we
want
affordable
housing
in
our
city.
We're
not
gonna
that
can't
be
affordable.
If
we
would
require
all
of
these
things,
that
would
make
some
make
a
developer
not
have
natural
gas,
it
would
would
drive
them
away
way.
AB
It
would
be
less
affordable
housing
for
here
in
des
moines,
and
if-
and
we
already
know,
the
jobs
are
leaving,
the
people
will
be
leaving.
So
I
think
we
need
to
do
everything
we
can.
You
know
it's
been
said
we
can
raise
taxes
or
raise
revenues.
Well,
if
we
keep
sending
everybody
outside
of
our
city.
The
only
thing
we
have
left
is
taxes,
yeah
isn't
the
gold,
though
too,
and
I
think
that
I'd
like
to
get
a
balance
on
it.
AB
I'm
not
saying
that
to
get
rid
of
all
gas,
but
if
we
incentivize,
which
everybody
wants
their
incentive
to
cover
the
cost
for
these
new
systems,
the
people
that
are
in
those
homes
or
in
those
apartments
will
have
less
energy
costs
right.
If
we
save
money
so
in
the
long
run
you're
going
to
have
everybody
wants
incentives
anyway,
I
just
say
the
incentive
to
do
this.
Is
that
this?
If
you're
going
to
do
this,
it's
at
that.
AB
So
I
so
let
me
just
understand
you
so
you're
saying
when
we
give
the
tax
abatement
to
to
the
multi-family
housing
that
we
offer
for
upgrades,
you're
you're
thinking
that,
if
we're
going
to
do
that,
then
we're
going
to
make
them
do
this
program
thing,
and
you
think
that
those
folks
that
are
going
to
do
this
are
going
to
pass
on
the
savings
to
the
renter.
That's
what
you're
thinking
well,
I
would,
if
they're
paying
their
utility
bills
if
the
individual
apartments
are
on
their
own
okay,
yeah.
AB
I
mean
I'm
just
saying
that
most
of
them
are.
I
don't
know
if
many
apartments
that
you
don't
pay
your
own
utilities,
probably
the
older
ones,
but
they're
all
in
separate
meters.
I
would
assume
so
I
I
mean
I'm
just
saying:
if
we're
serious
about
it,
we
incentivize
to
that,
and
I
don't
know
what
that
degree
is.
But
eventually
systems
are
going
to
be
more
energy
efficient,
I
mean
they're
going
to
prices
will
come
down.
AB
Yeah
and
that's
and
that's
really
yeah,
you
need
to
hear
from
them.
I
mean
a
stakeholder
engagement
like
the
second
bullet.
Here
we
go
so
I
can
just
see
that
slide
coming
yep
and
that's
really
the
next
steps
yeah
but
yeah.
Let's
not
try
to
guess
what
they're
going
to
do
so
or
what
they're
hearing
among
their
peers.
So
today's
today's
presentation
was
really
just
focused
on
some
technology
options
that
are
out
there
that
exist
today
and
we
what
I'm
hearing
is
we
we
have
a.
AB
We
have
a
number
of
things
that
we
need
to
evaluate
further
to
identify
impacts.
We
need
to
engage
stakeholders
to
really
get
their
take
on
on
options
that
are
that
the
council
is
interested
in
considering
and
throughout.
All
of
this,
I
believe,
there's
a
balance
that
needs
to
be
struck
between
leading
in
energy
efficiency
and
electrification
and
being
competitive,
yeah
so,
and
you
said,
being
competitive.
AB
I'd
like
to
know,
since
we
passed
our
new
code,
the
building
permits
we've
issued
for
single-family
homes
compared
to
the
building
permits
that
our
suburban
partners
have
have
issued
for
single
family
homes
because,
as
you
talked
about
habitat
for
humanity,
friday,
lance
henning
tells
me
well,
there's
nobody,
no
builder,
that
wants
to
build
in
the
city
of
des
moines
with
your
guys's
code.
That's
exactly!
That
was
exactly
what
he
said
to
me
and
he
said
well,
and
he
says
that
I'm
the
only
one
that's
going
to
build
in
the
city
of
des
moines.
AB
But
it's
true.
You
look
at
who
the
I'm
asking
I'm
asking
for
facts.
I'm
just
passing
on
since
habitat
was
brought
up
as
an
example
I'm
going
to
pass
that
on
as
the
leader
of
habitat,
so
I'm
asking
for
factual
data
since
we
passed
that
which
is
time
to
go
over
our
new
code,
our
form-based
code,
since
we
said
that
this
was
going
to
make
it
easier
for
people
to
build
in
the
city
of
des
moines.
AB
AB
Our
goals
right
now
are
to
be
building
density,
as
we
are
an
urban
city
and
not
a
suburban
city,
and
I
also
think
that
we
need
to
be
more
intentional
with
our
incentives
that
we're
giving
out,
we
can't
just
be
incentivizing
everything
and
anything.
We
need
to
be
incentivizing
what
we
want
to
be
incentivizing,
and
so,
if
we
have
goals
that
we
set
for
you
know
a
foreseeable
distance
in
the
future,
we
need
to
be
making
sure
that
we're
making
moves
to
actually
reach
those
goals,
and
so
I'd
like
to
see
some
data.
AB
That
is
like
I'd
like
to
have
a
collection
of
some
data
that
is
relevant
to
des
moines.
Specifically,
so
we
can
look
at
those
sorts
of
things.
I'd
like
to
see
us
come
up
with
some
recommendations.
That's
what
I'm
looking
at.
We
appreciate
that.
I
think
for
somebody.
That's
never
ran
a
business.
Hey
joe.
I
think
that
city
manager-
I
live
in
one,
that's
very
difficult
to
say:
when
you
don't
go,
you
don't
know
you
don't
know
where
my
money
goes.
AB
AB
I
think
you
wanted
to
yeah,
so
we
have
drifted
into
the
policy
discussion,
and
so
what
I'd
like
confirmation
of
is
that
there
are
at
least
four
council
members
that
would
like
us
to
pursue
policy
options
with
better
des
moines
data
provided
similar
charts
with
actual
des
moines
as
much
as
possible
have
some
of
the
stakeholder
conversations,
including
the
vendors
that
would
be
necessary
to
provide
these
technologies
and
to
bring
that
forth
sounds
like
an
interest.
I
think
you
should
ask
the
mayor
too.
AB
I
already
know
the
mayor's
answer.
Is
yes,
scott?
That's
fine!
I
can
just
have
a
comment.
We've
had
stakeholder
discussions
before
and
I
know
it
was
joe
and
I
who
had
to
go
out
and
reach
out
to
the
builders
and
the
developers
and
different
people
to
get
everybody
to
get
in
here
to
a
meeting.
How
are
we
going
to
message
that
out?
I'm
not
going
to
get
anybody
to
show
up.
I
think
I
mean
they've
already
made
their
decision.
AB
I'd
like
to
hear
from
mid-american
institutions,
we'll
see
no
growth
in
our
city,
and
you
know
yeah
and
that's
what
everybody
wants
they're
already
leaving.
It
is
what
it
is
well,
they
won't
leave
if
you
incentivize
them
in
the
correct
way
taxes,
because
you
can't
get
any
growth,
but
we
took
that's
the
path
we're
going
to
talk
about
interactive.
We
took
tax
abatement
away.
AB
AB
AB
AB
I
sat
in
this
room
and
linda's
right.
We
got
every
builder
and
every
person
in
this
room
and
they
asked
us
not
to
make
the
form
based
code
change
and
they
asked
us
not
to
do
these
things
and
we
insisted
that
it
was
going
to
be
easier.
I'd
like
to
see
the
data
of
how
it's
been
easier
and
how
many
people
have
built
since
we
passed
that
compared
to
compared
to
altoona
compared
to
ankeny
compared
to
johnston
compared
to
clyde's
pretty
much.
They
can't
build
anymore
because
they
don't
have
any
more
land.
AB
AB
I
just
want
to
add
one
comment.
I
think
we
all
have
an
email
from
somebody
that
is
frustrated
with
the
city
of
des
moines
that
came
into
us
at
114
today
that
every
council
member
and
they
have
not
heard
from
their
ward
council
people.
It
sounds
like
that's
very
frustrating.
What
do
you?
What
are
you
talking
about?
Well
I'll
address
that
with
you
afterwards,
it
sounds
like
it's
something
I
don't
care
communications.
AB
AB
Just
wanted
to
briefly
introduce
the
new
idea
floating
around
the
metro
area
to
plant
one
million
trees
over
the
next
10
years,
a
concept
that
we
could
get
behind.
We
we
do
thousands
of
trees
every
year,
but
not
enough,
certainly
not
on
our
own
to
get
to
a
million.
But
we
are.
We
are
participants
in
the
state's
goal
of
increasing
canopy
coverage
across
the
city
by
at
least
three
percent
and
in
in
in
an
age
where
we're
seeing
increased
depredations
of
trees
from
emerald
ash,
borer
and
other
invasive
pests.
AB
AB
AB
I
like
that,
so
there's
lots
of
things,
but
I
I
would
say
that
I
think
trees
connect
with
a
lot
of
stuff
that
the
city
is
focused
on
including
property
development,
more
livable
cities,
cooling,
our
cities,
climate
change
and
thinking
about
how
des
moines
is
going
to
be
livable
in
the
next
50
plus
years.
So
is
it?
Okay,
if
I
hand
a
hand
out
here,
so
today's
presentation
is
just
a
beginning
of
a
conversation
to
talk
about
a
new
idea.
AB
As
jonathan
mentioned,
1
million
trees
planted
or
preserved
in
the
next
10
years,
so
1
million
trees
is
a
big
number.
I
know,
but
we
have
to
put
big
goals
out
there
to
be
able
to
try
and
reach
them.
It
is
a
joint
effort
with
capital
crossroads
and
we
have
larry
james
and
brittany
applegate
here
together,
we
are
issuing
this
challenge
for
the
entire
capital
crossroads
region,
which
goes
50
miles
from
around
the
capital.
AB
You'll
see
it
is
planted
or
preserved.
So
planting
does
take
a
lot
of
time.
There's
a
lot
of
pieces
that
go
into
it.
Preservation
is
one
piece
that
we
really
think
we
need
to
be
looking
at
strongly.
So
is
there
lands
that
we
need
to
identify
poor
preservation
or
working
on
preservation
with
developers
and
construction
where
trees
are
thought
more
thoughtfully
cared
for
when
developments
going
in,
maybe
not
clear,
cutting
leaving
some
trees
so
that
we're
maintaining
tree
canopy
within
our
city
that
outline
that
you
have
there's
just
the
initial
ideas.
AB
We
are
learning
a
lot
from
our
partners
in
atlanta,
so
trees,
atlanta
and
the
city
have
recently
entered
into
an
agreement
with
all
the
metro
communities
to
plant
and
preserve
1
million
trees
in
10
years.
So
we've
got
a
great
model
from
them
overall
that
the
million
trees
campaign
dovetails
perfectly
with
the
city's
adopted
urban
forest
master
plan
that
you
have
probably
seen
in
the
past,
which
challenges
the
city
to
reach
1
million
dollars
in
tree
in
dollars
to
help
support
tree
care
and
tree
planting
over
the
next
several
years.
AB
So
we
think
that
they
really
dovetail
nicely
together.
The
million
trees
campaign
is
a
challenge
that
the
city
could
accept
and
help
capture
the
hearts
and
minds
and
then
dovetail
it
with
your
existing
urban
force
master
plan
larry.
What
would
you
add
again
larry?
This
is
larry
james,
I'm
here
as
as
the
co-chair
of
natural
capital,
one
of
the
capital
crossroads
groups.
This
is
really
just
the
beginning
of
a
discussion
to
put
this
idea
out
there,
like
I
said
you
know
like
leslie,
said
million
trees
is
a
huge
number.
AB
AB
Really,
the
idea
is
in
a
nutshell,
ultimately,
how
can
we
plant
one
tree
per
person
in
the
city
over
the
next
10
years,
and
you
know
the
city
of
des
moines
already
they
did
handed
out
something
like
10,
000
or
more
tiny
trees
this
year,
so
it
is
a
doable
proposition.
You
know
to
get
there
the
other
component
of
it
is.
There
will
be
a
discussion
in
this
region-wide
on
planting
in
the
right-of-way.
You
know
some
sort
of
what's
best
practice
to
plant
in
the
right-of-way.
AB
Some
cities
allow
it
some
cities,
don't
what
can
be
done
there
and
finally,
there's
another
idea
that,
like
leslie
touched
on,
which
is
tree
preservation
des
moines,
has
its
representation
ordinance
some
other
cities?
Don't
you
know?
So
what
are
the
best
practices
there
again
with
the
eye
towards
you
know,
obviously,
including
the
development
community,
which
I
work
with
every
day
and
working
with
the
folks
that
really
know
trees
and
more
than
anybody
else?
AB
We
can
put
it
on
the
and-
and
we
can
I
don't
know
if
this
is
on
the
trees
forever
website.
We
will
get
it
up
there.
We
can
get
it
up
there.
But
again,
this
is
just
the
start
of
a
discussion.
Will
it'll
be
much
more
outreach?
There
is
a
huge
overlap
in
the
areas.
If
you
look
at
the
areas
traditionally
redlined
by
by
redlining
in
back
in
the
day
and
and
and
the
areas
that
lack
tree
canopy.
So
there's
a
huge
there's,
not
only
a
environmental
aspect.
AB
To
this
there's
a
property
values
aspect.
There's
a
social
justice
aspect,
so
it
really
does
tie
in
a
lot
of
things.
I
think
the
city
has
been
focused
on
and
I
think
that
there
is
an
opportunity
here
that,
with
working
together,
we
can
really
make
a
difference
in
how
our
neighborhoods
feel
and
how
we're
able
to
bring
about
some
pretty
substantive
change
just
with
by
planting
trees.
AB
AB
What
questions
I
mean
I
was
going
to,
let
you
speak,
but
I
think
there
are
a
couple.
I
was
just
all
three
of
our
folks
over
there.
I
was
just
going
to
say
if,
if
you're
able
to
as
well
as
when
you're
putting
this
on
the
website,
if
you're
able
to
get
it
to,
I
believe
our
city
clerk
would
be
able
to
get
up
in
the
additional
materials
for
this
meeting,
so
it
would
be
available
to
public
there
as
well.
That
would
be
great.
Thank
you,
michael.
AB
My
quick.
I
remember
was
probably
six
years
ago,
city
council
awarded
money
to
trees
forever
to
do
an
inventory
and
the
plan.
Well,
I
think
we
gave
you
500
000
you're
thinking
of
tree
des
moines,
so
tree
des
moines
helped.
Do
the
inventory
for
the
city
trees
forever?
Is
your
planting
partner,
employing
teenagers
to
plant
and
care
for
trees
around
the
city
and
water
trees?
Okay?
AB
AB
That's
on
the
on
the
website
under
forestry
there's
a
des
moines
street
keeper
dot.
I
don't
know
the
exact
website,
but
yep
it's
online.
We
use
it
very
actively
your
city
forester
shane
mcquillen's
here
using
it
actively
every
day.
Okay,
carl
yeah,
two
things:
this
is
a
great
relief
r-e-l-e-a-f
to
hear
this
going
forward.
Thank
you.
AB
AB
Yeah
and
not
everyone
is
going
to
have
those
kind
of
dollars
just
just
out
there
to
remove
a
tree
so
yeah
scott.
If
there's
a
way
there,
I
think
that's
yeah
for
the
city
manager
to
we
can
definitely
look
into
that
and
because
we're
talking
about
a
million
trees
gross,
but
we're
not
going
to
deal
with
the
net
on
this.
AB
Well,
thanks,
I'm
yeah
the
emerald
ash,
borer
piece-
I
don't
know
if
the
city
they
may
have
policies
in
place
already,
but
it
is
something
to
be
thinking
about
tree,
taking
a
tree
down
as
a
tremendous
expense
and
for
those
who
might
not
be
able
to
afford
it
a
big
expense
they
weren't
expecting
right.
I
think
the
other
thing
too,
some
of
the
trees
that
if
they
fall
over,
they
cause
the
damage.
AB
AB
People
are
saying:
trees
forever
planted
these
trees,
but
now
nobody's
watering
them
and-
and
I
believe
that
that
should
be
the
homeowner-
I
mean,
if
you're
going
to
plant
a
tree.
But
how
do
we
get
that
message
out
that
we
let
people
know
we're
going
to
plant
this
tree,
but
you
got
to
water
it
you
got
to
take
care
of
it.
AB
Well,
I'm
sorry
to
hear
that
that
it's
been
a
hard
summer.
We've
been
a
tremendous
drought,
it's
been
very
hot
and
it's
hard
to
keep
all
those
trees
live.
We
are
watering
2000
trees
a
week.
So
I'm
I'm
sorry
to
hear
that
that
came
up,
but
we
are
setting
our
crews
out
every
week
to
water
those
trees.
We
employ
teenagers
to
do
that.
AB
Work,
they're
getting
paid
12
dollars
an
hour
and
they
are
watering
crew
throughout
the
city
and
so
bear
with
us
and
with
that
homeowner,
please
bear
with
us
through
the
summer
as
we
try
and
keep
those
trees
I
went
through.
I
would
hope
homeowners
could
turn
their
water
faucet
on,
and
you
know
water
some
of
those
trees
too.
I
mean
you
guys
also
do
the
program
where
you
give
out
the
nursery
trees
to
people
to
plant
in
their
own
yards,
the
tiny
trees
yep,
the
tiny
things
does
that
yep?
Oh
okay,
all
right!
AB
AB
If
there
are
things
that
we
can
do,
that
will
leverage
those
federal
dollars
most
effectively
and
I
don't
necessarily
have
that
expertise
offhand,
but
would
look
to
others
to
help
supplement
that,
but
I
think
we'd
have.
I
would
personally
have
a
lot
of
interest
in
leveraging
our
resources
to
draw
down
the
maximum
extent
of
the
federal
resources.
AB
Anything
else,
thank
you
for
all
the
work
you
do
with
the
youth.
In
particular.
Thank
you.
It's
a
great
program
and
I
know
I'll
I'll
give
a
plug.
I
know
one
of
the
things
that
leslie
you
do
a
great
job
of
letting
us
know
about
the
tree,
plantings
which
are
in
the
spring
and
the
fall
I've
taken,
my
kids
to
that.
AB
AB
All
right,
jim
just
go
ahead
all
right,
so
I
was
jim
off
again
facility
manager,
yeah
three
times
record.
For
me.
I
was
asked
to
give
a
very
brief
schedule.
Update
for
msc
2
carl
reminded
me
that
it
needed
to
be
very
very
brief,
so
I'm
going
to
get
right
into
it,
so
the
project
is
really
close
to
completion
city
staff
and
the
design
team
have
been
doing
punch
lists
for
the
past
couple
weeks.
AB
We
have
to
break
it
up
into
several
areas,
because
the
building's
really
big
gc
is
expecting
a
temporary
co.
The
first
week
of
september,
the
temp
co,
will
allow
us
to
finish
some
of
our
work,
like
finishing
the
furniture,
installation
and
prepping
everything,
so
that
so
that
the
moves
can
go
efficiently.
AB
It
will
take
us
just
under
two
weeks
to
move
everybody
out
of
the
market
district,
so
the
moves
are
phased
and
it's
scheduled,
like
this.
The
september
20th
to
22nd,
we'll
move
over
public
works
22nd
to
the
25th,
we'll
move
over
fleet
september
26th
to
28th
radio
shop
and
28th
the
30th
we'll
move
over
back
to
shed.
We
have
a
couple
incidental
days
with
the
movers
in
the
first
part
of
october,
so
by
the
first
week
of
october,
we'll
have
all
staff
and
all
equipment
moved
over
to
ms
amazing
today,
all
right
thanks.
AB
AB
We
can
bring
that
back
as
well,
because
there's
question
of
of
mothballing
versus
taking
down
some
of
the
older
buildings
more
immediately,
so
we
can
bring
that
back
as
well
as
to
what
that
okay,
the
question
would
be
who
bears
the
cost
of
tear
down,
so
we
already
bear
that
cost
in
our
agreements.
It's
whether
or
not
they
get
a
chance
to
reduce
the
purchase
price
by
what
they
pay
to
demolish
it,
or
if
we
demolish
it,
then
the
price
can
remain
the
higher
amount
we
get
to
the
same
place.
AB
It's
just
whether
or
not
we're
doing
the
work
or
they
are.
Okay.
Does
that
make
sense
it?
It
probably
will
there's
no
further
explanation:
yeah
there's
a
market
rate
that
was
established,
assuming
that
there
was
no
building
there
on
site,
and
so
they
will
either
get
the
credit
for
or
we'll
be
able
to
keep
a
higher
price.
Without
a
couple
of
the
sheds,
look
like
they're
going
to
fall
down.
That's
why
we
know
we
can't
just
leave
them
if
they're
a
year
or
two
out
from
actually
being
ready
to
construct,
got
it.
AB
AB
What's
left,
I
I
think
the
only
thing
left
is
council
updates
and
I
think
I'm
getting
the
sense
that
folks
are
maybe
eager
to.
I
have
one
update
all
right.
The
public
art
foundation
has
hired
a
new
director
and
I
did
send
jen
and
I
think,
scott,
an
email,
public
art
foundation
would
like
to
know
how
best
for
council
to
meet
their
their
public
art
directors.
So
I
don't
know
if
maybe
a
workshop.
AB
AB
AB
Anyways,
oh
I
just
said:
we'd
have
to
listen
to
the
public
meeting.
Obviously
I
just
don't
know
how
formal
it
would
need
to
be
to
meet
the
new
director.
If
we
have
a
lot
of
information
to
get
through.
Maybe
a
work
session
makes
more
sense.
It
would
just
be
yeah.
I
think
a
work
session
would
be
would
be
appropriate.
Okay,
okay,
I'm
fine
with
the
work
session.
AB
It
can
be
short
brief,
yep,
okay,
anyone
else
have
any
well
in
invest.
Dsm.
Central
bank
is
coming
forward
to
provide
like
a
two
and
a
half
million
dollar
revolving
loan
to
help
spur
development
in
low
moderate
income
areas,
primarily
in
the
invest
areas,
but
also
the
dmrc
so
we're
starting
to
get
what
we
wanted
was
not
only
our
money
but
private
money
to
come
in
to
help
spur
the
development
too.