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From YouTube: 5-17-22 City Council work session + special meeting
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Des Moines City Council morning work session and special meeting on Tuesday, May 17, 2022.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/CouncilMeetings
A
Well,
good
morning,
everybody
it
it's
good
to
be
back
in
des
moines.
I'll
tell
you.
I
spent
a
little
bit
of
time
in
another
nation
which
I
was
very
encouraged
about
for
those
of
you
who
think
about
the
global
issues
around
climate
change
and
all
those
kinds
of
things,
and
we
certainly
I
I
appreciate
your
passion.
I
listened
the
last
monday
when
we
had
a
what
about
50
people
stood
up
and
and
made
statements.
I
will
tell
you
that
it
was
interesting.
A
We've
got
to
work
in
our
country,
everything
from
local
government,
county
government,
state
government
and
national
government
to
figure
out
what
we
do,
how
we
do
it,
how
we
pay
for
it,
but
at
least
we're
having
a
conversation.
It's
interesting,
some
of
these
countries
in
global
south
don't
have
many
options
and
keep
in
mind.
There's
you
know
like
what
they
say:
7.3
or
5
billion
people
on
this
planet,
all
of
whom
have
a
future
and
and
thoughts.
A
A
We
shared
an
awful
lot
of
what's
going
on
in
des
moines
and
what
our
staff
is
doing
and
how
we're
working
in
our
own
trying
to
lead
by
example,
with
our
buildings
looking
at
the
future
of
our
fleet,
looking
at
everything
that
we
do
and
how
we
do
it,
and
but
also
hearing
what
some
of
the
people
around
the
world
are
doing
as
well.
So
it's
a
great
opportunity
to
share,
so
I
thought
before
we
would
dive
into
everything
that
we're
doing
today.
A
A
E
E
A
F
G
A
Right,
our
fifth
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
first
consideration:
five,
which
is
by
amending
section
42-246
and
42-258,
relating
to
noise,
sound
equipment,
sound
amplifying
equipment
and
construction
equipment.
Council
communication
number
22-234
na
is
the
final
consideration
of
the
ordinance
the
above
and
the
waiver
is
requested
by
scott
sanders,
our
city
manager
and
requires
six
votes.
A
I
I
I
I
How
do
we
get
a
good
use
in
this
site
for
the
long
term?
You
know,
I
said
at
our
work
session
that
that
I
think
this
site
is
appropriate
for
for
events
and
and
so
there's
going
to
be
some
level
of
noise.
This
is
proximate.
You
know
the
southwest.
Ninth
viaduct,
actually,
you
know,
has
a
decent
amount
of
just
ambient
noise.
That's
generated
from
that
traffic
and
that's
right
next
to
this
site
as
well,
so
those
factors
go
into
this.
I
So
there
are
a
number
of
different
steps
that
we've
taken.
One
thing
that
isn't
in
here
that
I
think
we
we
need
to
get
in
here
is
some
specification
in
terms
of
the
number
of
events
a
month,
and
I
think
one
of
we
we've
we've
had
some
conversation
and
I
think
the
idea
is
to
narrow
this
down
so
that
there
are
no
more
than
no
more
than
six
events
in
any
one
month,
so
that
spreads
it
out
some
and
then
with
a
sub
piece.
I
F
J
F
E
Sure
I've
got
a
few
questions
mayor
counties
so
so
just
to
clarify
for
all.
If
there
was
a
event
that
was
over
two
days,
that
would
be
two
days
or
two
events,
because
there
has
to
be
a
correct
permit
for
for
each
of
those
days,
right,
correct
and
so
refresh
my
memory.
What
the
ambient
noise
on
9th
street
is
was
that
around
80
or
85,
just
the
ambient
noise.
I
E
Okay,
and
are
there
different
qualities
of
sound
meters
that
we're
expecting
that
the
I'll
say
the
event
manager
would
have?
I
know
I've.
I
bought
a
sound
meter.
That
was,
I
don't
know
now.
80
bucks
are:
are
there
different
qualities
of
sound
meters
that
were
the
expectation
that
the
event
manager
would
be
using
to
monitor
this
sound?
D
E
K
We
are
at
item
queue
and
there
are
some
inconsistencies
in
the
ordinance
that
weren't
correctly
addressed
when
we
went
to
through
the
rezoning
process
for
the
entire
city.
We
used
to
only
have
mixed
use
districts
downtown
now
we
have
mixed-use
districts
city-wide
and
the
current
ordinance
through
a
fault,
would
allow
some
of
these
louder.
Noises
not
louder
amplified
sounds
in
residential
districts
because
we
have
rx
districts
which
are
mixed.
We
have.
C
K
E
K
For
instance,
minneapolis
and
some
other
cities
don't
use
strict,
sound
readings
to
decide
when
amplified
music
is
too
loud.
They
say,
for
instance,
in
a
small
venue.
If
you
can
hear
the
music
50
feet
from
the
venue,
it's
a
violation,
larger
venues
or
maybe
a
thousand
feet
from
the
venue.
If
you
can
hear
it,
it's
a
violation,
so
I'm
trying
to
explore
if
that's
an
easier
way
to
address
sound
rather
than
going
up
to
queue
for
particular
venues
that
gets
very
confusing
for
pretty
much
everybody.
I
mean
it's
cut
and
dried
in
the
ordinance.
K
K
I
C
D
I
I
If
they
only
did
four
months
they
they
would
be
at
that
max
six
a
month,
but
if
they
had
events
starting
at
like
a
st
patrick's
day
event,
for
example,
through
halloween
you're,
going
to
stretch
that
over
a
little
over
half
the
year.
So
if
you're
doing
events
and
all
those
months
this
they
likely
wouldn't
hit
that
six
max
in
every
month.
I
C
I
A
A
H
A
I
think
that
I've
asked
scott
to
you,
know
kind
of
monitor
this
and
and
take
a
look
at
it.
I
will
also
tell
you
that
the
numbers
statewide
you
know
at
that
time
were
about
633
new
cases.
As
of
last
week,
statewide
they
were
4056.,
there's
numerous
more
hospitalizations
and
all
of
a
sudden
there's
an
uptick
in
deaths,
although
they're
still
low
they're
at
21
statewide.
A
I
A
C
A
It
to
you
know
all
of
a
sudden,
be
sprung
on
anybody
that
we're
not
looking
at
all
the
options
on
what
we
need
to
do
to
try
to
do
our
best
to
protect
the
health
and
well-being
of
our
citizens.
So,
thanks
for
listening
on
that,
scott,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
you
for
our
work
session
meeting
on
the
community
engagement
for
please.
F
Okay,
mayor
and
council
members
there
was,
there
were
two
requests
for
workshop
discussions
dealing
with
police
and
the
police
department,
so
we
have
brought
those
together
for
you
this
morning.
The
first
presentation
I'll
have
on
captain
dave
ness
come
up
and
the
first
discussion
is
engaging
with
the
contractor
for
assistance
in
I'm
gonna
get
this
right:
culture
and
climate
policies,
procedures
and
training,
and
so
that
will
be
the
first
topic
and
then
in
the
second
topic
I
will
present
on
a
community
review
and
advisory
board
options
for
the
city.
G
I
think
specific
asked
for
today
was
tell
us
about
the
third
party
review
and
we'll
certainly
get
into
that,
but
we'll
also
provide
a
little
information
on
kalia,
the
accreditation
process
that
has
been
discussed
and
then
the
data
information
that
we
recently
heard
in
this
in
this
chamber
just
a
week
or
two
ago.
So
with
that
I'll
jump
through
a
series
of
slides,
there's
a
about
15
of
them
and
entertain
any
questions
if
they
come
up
or
when
we're
done.
Whichever
works.
G
This
would
be
more
police-centric,
because
there
is
this
body
that
this
kalia,
that
we'll
talk
about
and
their
interaction
is
directly
with
us
and
our
policy
manager
and
our
leadership
team
and
then
finally,
the
data
management
and
transparency,
and
once
again
you
see
that
this
is
broader
than
police.
So
this
will
involve
the
city,
manager's
office,
the
police,
department
and
I.t
and
possibly
others.
So
that's
just
kind
of
the
big
picture
and
then
we'll
jump
into
these
individual
bullets.
G
Organizational
review
here
is
recognized
that
the
council
had
a
recent
resolution.
I
believe
council
member
bozen
submitted,
but
this
is
something
that
we
had
been
in
the
works
prior
to
that
the
things
asked
or
included
in
that
council
resolution
are
very
commonly
performed
by
different
entities
that
do
this
work,
and
so
we
had
been
working
to
identify
some
leading
leading
groups
that
could
perform
this
again.
Culture,
climate
policies,
procedures,
compliance
with
those
policies
and
procedures
and
training
are
among
the
common
aspects
of
such
a
review.
G
G
G
I
can
probably
fairly
describe
it
as
fits
and
starts
a
little
bit
prior
to
that
which
is
very
common
in
our
in
our
industry,
and
we
looked
at
this
possibility.
Ultimately,
it
was
determined
that
we
needed
a
dedicated
person
focused
on
on
policies
and
and
thank
goodness
we
made
that
commitment,
because
things
like
use
of
force
and
pursuits
and.
G
Several
high
liability
high
risk
areas
were
among
the
first
things
we
tackled
with
this.
This
policy
expert,
lieutenant
hartman,
as
we've
made
considerable
progress.
The
kalia
basically
would
take
it
to
the
next
level,
and
so
I
was
interested
to
see.
Some
of
this
is
a
portion
of
a
canned
report
from
them,
but
it
was
interested
to
see
that
clear
really
grew
out
of
the
60s
and
70s
some
of
the
early
problems
in
our
in
our
country.
Where
there
were
there
were
civil
disobedience.
There
was
a
perception
that
law
enforcement
lacked.
G
G
Basically,
after
this
report
came
out,
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
action
on
it,
and
so
there
were
four
leading
groups
that
took
that
information
and
founded
clea.
This
group
that
would
allow
agencies
to
pursue
accreditation,
the
groups,
if
it's
too
small
or
international
association
of
chiefs
of
police,
police,
executive
research
forum,
noble
and
the
I
don't
remember
if
it's
international,
but
it's
a
sheriff's
association.
G
The
clea
program
that
they've
created
in
its
current
form
has
a
few
different
options
and
we
are
looking
at
pursuing
all
three
meaning:
the
law
enforcement
accreditation,
which
is
a
whole
scale
evaluation
at
the
department.
But
then
there
are
also
options
for
agencies
such
as
ours
that
have
an
emergency
communications
center
or
dispatch
and
then
also
a
training
academy.
So
the
180
standards
that
I've
highlighted
there
in
yellow
is
what
all
the
experts,
both
those
that
are
clear
participants
and
the
clea
organization,
suggest
as
a
starting
point.
G
Some
entities
start
there
and
then
go
further
to
the
458,
but
they've
described
it
as
already
very
daunting
to
do
that
to
do
the
180
in
three
years,
especially
if
you're,
including
the
communications
and
the
training.
So
that's
what
we're
currently
looking
at
standards,
development
standards,
review
and
interpretation
committee.
I
won't
read
through
all
the
slides
here,
but
subject
matter
experts.
This
is
what
kalia
brings
it's
across
the
country.
These
folks
look
at.
You
know
the
industry
leaders
and
help
to
identify
the
best
practice.
C
G
Overview
this
is
a
busy
slide,
but
you
can
see.
There's
several
portions
of
this.
The
self-assessment
would
be
one
of
our
first
tasks
as
an
agency,
ultimately
three
years
down
the
road,
we
would
invite
people
here
for
an
assessment.
There
would,
prior
to
that,
be
a
web-based
assessment
and
there
would
be
a
determination
whether
or
not
we
in
fact
met
the
requirements
and
part
of
the
reason
that
these
three
things
are
coming
together.
G
I
guess
in
in
my
mind,
and
then
the
presentation
was
then
clea
offers
this
three
year
or
kind
of
a
long
term.
Oftentimes
agencies
don't
stop
at
three,
but
it's
an
ongoing
commitment
and
I
think
there
had
been
a
sense
from
the
community
in
the
council
that
there's
a
more
urgent
or
pressing
desire
not
to
wait
for
three
years,
and
so
that's
where
these,
the
third
party
review,
is
kind
of
a
short-term
snapshot
and
gives
us
some
things
to
work
on
rolls
into
this,
which
is
a
more
lasting
ongoing
process.
G
Is
it
really
requires
not
only
having
the
policy
and
the
procedure
in
place
but
demonstrating
that
it's
being
followed
so
the
proofs
and
that's
a
reason
that
there
is
a
a
staff
requirement
to
not
only
research,
develop
train
on
the
policies
but
to
demonstrate
that
compliance
is
is
occurring.
So
the
just
you
know
some
final
details
in
their
pitch
here
was,
you
know
it
doesn't
get
done
if
it's
not
getting.
G
G
All
right,
we've
been
through
two
of
the
three
pretty
quickly
if
you're
comfortable,
we'll
we'll
keep
rolling
into
the
data
management.
And
again
this
is
just
a
a
couple
slides.
I
believe,
because
this
isn't
necessarily
a
a
police
driven
police
are
are
heavily
involved,
but
ultimately
it's
the
manager's
office
we've
received
invites,
I
think,
the
at
least
that
I'm
aware
of
the
manager's
office.
I
t
police
have
all
been
scouring
to
the
report
and
the
recommendations.
D
C
F
F
So,
council,
members,
there
are
five
companies,
if
you
will
consulting
groups
that
that
that
I
see
as
leading
industry
consultants
in
this
area
asked
for
proposals
from
them.
I've
already
reviewed
one
and
spoken
to
a
second
about
how
they
would
approach
it.
So
I
would
say,
within
the
matter
of
the
next
two
weeks,
I
should
be
able
to
come
down
to
the
the
final
and
and
recommended
consultant
group
to
utilize,
and
then
we
can
bring
a
contract
in
front
of
the
council
in
june.
D
F
M
F
D
I
have
only
because
I
saw
him
on
60
minutes
and
I
thought
they
made
sense
on
how
they
the
center
for
police
inequity
with-
I
guess
dr
philip
goth
and
I
know
they
have
done
other
cities,
because
I
think
they
get
at
not
only
analyzing
but
also
the
social
impact,
and
what
can
be
done
and
what
is
you
know?
What
are
the
social
issues
that
lead
to
needing
more
policing
and
how
do
we
handle
some
of
the
questions
of?
D
Why
do
we
have
to
have
as
much
policing
and
what
can
we
do
to
make
our
community
safer
from
the
ground
up?
So
that
would
be
another
one.
I
would
consider
again.
I
don't
know
if
they
how
much
they
do
in
the
overall.
But
I
think
the
main
thing
too,
on
review
of
the
policies
and
procedures
too,
is
that
it's
not
a
review
back,
but
it's
really
a
review
of
how
things
have
been
done
and
have
we
followed
the
policy
so
looking
at
in
that
area
too,
it's
not
reviewing
necessarily
past
activities.
D
I
I
Well,
the
one
place
where
we
have
a
specific
policy
on
data
collection-
I
at
least,
I
think
is
the
use
of
force,
reporting
and-
and
so
my
hope
is-
is
that
this
third-party
review
can
really
dig
into
how
we
are
complying
from
and
that
that
goes
everything
from
what
what
do
we
do
from
a
training?
We've
got
this
policy,
so
how
does
that
connect
to
our
training?
I
I
I
think
we
should
have
the
2021
right
now,
but
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
specifically
look
at
the
2020
and
2021
use
of
force
reports
in
that
context,
so
that
we
have
a
you
know,
I
think
a
real
opportunity
as
we
do
this
third-party
review
to
help
us
advance
some
of
the
work
that
we're
hopefully
going
to
be
doing
from
a
data
management
perspective
as
well.
So
really
dig
in
on
those
particular
issues
and
look
at
look
at
compliance.
D
D
F
So
I
really
appreciate
that
you
you
bring
up
the
resources,
are
going
to
be
critical
in
this
because
there's
there's
expertise
that
needs
to
be
involved
and,
quite
frankly,
a
lot
of
those
resources
are
going
to
be.
Civilians.
Working
within
the
police
department
is
data
analyst
and
potentially
crime
analysts.
F
So
yes,
that
that
is
fully
expected
to
be
part
of
the
outcome
of
having
this
contract
is
looking
at.
What
additional
staffing
makes
the
most
sense
to
be
data
informed
and
it
isn't
just
the
police
department.
This
was
something
that
was
pressed
upon
me
and
and
something
I
wanted
to
do
myself
with
the
entire
city,
being
more
data
informed
with
kpis
and
whatnot.
So.
F
E
Okay
cross
I've
got
another
data
question
as
part
of
the
public
works
llc
report.
They
they
mentioned
our
the
city's
transition
to
the
new
tyler
product
for
records
management
records.
There
we
go
records
management,
so
could
could
someone
a
captain?
Could
you
give
just
a
an
update
where
the
department
is
and
getting
that
transition
smoothed
out.
G
It
is
still
being
smoothed
out.
Okay,
it's
been
quite
a
process
and
it
is
a
we're
real
excited
about
what
tyler
will
provide.
But
I,
if
there
was
one
regret
I
had
from
the
from
the
public,
works
llc
report.
It
was
when
I
read
the
report.
It
was
phenomenal
potential
in
that
in
the
new
tyler
product,
but
you
need
the
staff
to
do
it
and
to
use
it
right.
G
You've
got
to
you
know:
you've
got
to
be
gathering
the
data
in
order
to
be
able
to
act
on
it
and
you've
got
to
have
the
people
that
aren't
you
know
a
30-year
veteran
police
officer,
but
rather
somebody
that
went
to
college
to
be
a
analytics
or
or
some
better
use
of
it
maximizing
the
data
that
we
have
available
to
us.
So
it
is
moving
forward.
We've
transitioned
away
from
our
prior
to
tyler.
There
are
still
growing
pains.
I
just
I
know
a
number
of
you.
G
We've
had
conversations
about
our
cooperation
with
polk
county
and
their
agencies,
as
it
relates
to
communications
and
information,
sharing,
etc.
The
first
step-
and
we
were
real
fortunate
to
keep
them
together
with
us
on
on
records
management.
The
second
step
began
this
week
with
polk
county
and
that's
jail
management
system
on
their
end.
So
we
did
this
kind
of
herculean
task
that
we're
still
working
through
on
the
city
side,
they're
doing
theirs
on
the
jail
side
now
and
then
we'll
will
need
help
to
maximize
the
capabilities
of
our
tyler
product.
G
E
Resources
and
then,
as
it's
currently
set
up,
there
are
I.t
employees
that
are
permanently
assigned
to
the
police
department,
correct,
I
think
in
the
tyler
recommendation
they
suggested.
Maybe
those
are
better
to
be
part
of
the
police
department
payroll,
not
on
the
I.t
payroll,
I
think
did
I
did
I
get
that
right
or
there
are
different
models.
F
F
E
Well-
and
I
know
the
focus
of
our
discussion
this
morning
is
about
the
police
department,
yes,
but
the
other
smaller
report
on
on
building
code
and
permitting
had
some
of
the
same
recommendations,
the
value
of
data
mining,
and
I
hope
we
don't
just
put
that
report
on
the
shelf
and
don't
get
a
chance
to
address
those
changes.
Also.
D
D
M
I
know
we
have
kind
of
a
broad
discussion
in
front
of
us
three
really
big
subjects
in
front
of
us
right
now,
but
I
did
want
to
kind
of
we
kind
of
went
back
into
data
and
I
wanted
to
go
back
to
the
the
third
party
review.
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
think
it's
important
that
we
have
an
element
of
community
engagement
in
the
same
way
that
we
did
with
the
data
report
that
we
got
from
public
works.
M
I
thought
that
they
had
a
really
good
model
for
that
and
so
going
in
and
making
sure
that
we're
getting
feedback
from
the
community
and
specifically
from
communities
that
have
differing
perspectives
of
police
and
have
differing
experiences
with
police.
We
know
that
there's
you
know
history
in
this
country
of
different
treatment
of
different
communities,
and
I
think
that
that's
going
to
be
important
to
see
how
our
policies
procedures,
our
culture
for
police
department
is
affecting
different
groups
in
the
city.
M
But
I
thought
that
the
resolution
that
connie
proposed
with
all
the
pieces
of
that
for
requesting
the
the
review
was
pretty
succinct
and-
and
I
think
that
those
I
think
you
had
like
three
or
four
bullet
points
of
like
this-
this
this
and
this.
I
think
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
hitting
all
of
those
for
this
review.
D
And
within
a
timeline-
and
I
don't
you
know-
sounds
like
a
company
is
going
to
be
higher
and
also
then
I
don't
know
how
long
it
takes
so
that
we
can
get.
Some
of
some
of
this
portion
then
leads
to.
It
can
lead
into
the
other
items
that
we're
talking
about.
But
I
think
this
is
the
first
phase
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
it
was
front
and
center
of
the
work
we
were
doing.
E
F
D
D
F
D
D
F
Mayor
and
council
members
is
that
we
already
have
ethos
working
with
us
on
culture
and
so,
whatever
contract
we
move
forward
with
the
police
department.
They
are
going
to
need
to
work
with
ethos
and
the
information
and
the
work
they've
already
done
so
and
frankly,
we're
going
to
utilize.
Public
works
llc
quite
a
bit
in
this
area
too.
So
we've
got
a
lot
of
eyes
on
this.
A
lot
of
a
lot
of
attention
being
spent
yeah.
D
F
So
I
have
only
about
seven
or
eight
slides
this
morning.
The
second
topic
that
was
requested
by
council
is
an
opportunity
to
speak
about
police
review
and
advisory
boards,
and
that
topic,
as
you
might
imagine
or
have
you've
read,
is
in
the
report
that
public
works.
Llc
has
given
us
and
just
for
your
reference
in
the
public,
that's
about
page
115,
which
is
section
5-3-2
and
there's
quite
a
bit
of
research
that
was
done
in
that
topic.
F
That
is
a
separate
citizen
group
that
has
been
appointed
and
I've
taken
this
language
right
out
of
the
council
ordinance
that
was
passed
in
that
that
group
is
to
aid
the
city
manager
in
reviewing
the
data
and
recommendations
for
policy
and
practice,
modifications
to
improve
our
law
enforcement
policies
and
practices
also
to
review
existing
and
planned
policies
and
practices,
and
make
recommendations
to
ensure
elimination
of
any
existing
or
potential
disparities.
This
is
crucial
that
may
occur
within
our
law
enforcement
there
at
a
minimum.
The
pprc
was
to
do
four
things.
F
I've
listed
the
three
here:
the
first
three
review:
the
law
enforcement
data,
again
we're
underway
with
that
for
existing
and
potential
disparities
and
practices.
Secondly,
to
review
the
law,
enforcement
practices
and
policies.
Again,
that's
been
started
with
pprc
related
to
the
actual
delivery
of
unbiased
police
policing,
which
has
been
in
place
for
quite
a
few
years
with
the
police
department
even
preceding
the
ordinance.
F
In
addition
to
that,
there's
been
conversation
about
other
communities
that
have
had
elements
that
would
be
attractive
to
add
into
a
des
moines
board
responsibility,
so
I've
added
a
few
that
I
believe
would
have
consensus
and
the
authority
in
iowa
law
to
do
first
of
which
is
to-
and
this
is
starting
with,
the
purpose
statements
within
the
cedar,
rapids
and
then
you'll
see
elements
that
can
be
added.
So
starting
with
the
purpose.
F
I
think
these
are
strong
statements
that
could
be
included
within
des
moines
is
to
ensure
fair
and
professional
law
enforcement
that
is
constitutional,
effective
and
responsive
to
the
standards,
values
and
needs
of
those
to
be
served.
Secondly,
to
ensure
that
the
process
of
investigations
into
claims
of
inappropriate
conduct
by
sworn
officers
are
conducted
in
a
manner
that
is
fair,
thorough
and
accurate.
F
Fourthly,
to
assist
in
identifying
and
analyzing
trends
in
policing
again
back
to
the
data
discussion
we've
just
had,
whose
origins
may
be
rooted
in
a
bias
or
a
systematic
phenomena
and
upon
discovery
of
these
trends
to
assist
the
police
department
and
the
city
manager's
office
in
developing
solutions
to
ensure
the
fair
and
equitable
treatment
of
residents
and
visitors.
I
feel,
like
those
are
pretty
strong
statements
that
we
could
include
a
couple
more.
F
Establishing
the
board
would
could
increase
residents,
understanding
of
law
enforcement
policies,
procedures
operations
through
additional
transparency.
The
transparency
is
crucial
here
and
sixth,
to
create
an
additional
conduit
for
communications
between
the
police
and
the
community
at
large
through
outreach,
and
that
will
be
another
theme
you'll
hear
throughout
that.
The
outreach
is
important.
The
outreach
is
already
there
in
a
lot
of
ways,
but
this
would
help
to
formalize
that
this
would
help
in
an
advisory
board
to
kind
of
funnel
that
activity
we
have
neighborhood-based
policing
that
occurs.
F
We
have
the
ambassadors
program
and
we
have
thousands
of
hours
of
volunteer
work
by
our
police
department
in
the
community.
This
would
give
us
an
opportunity
to
funnel
some
of
that
recognize
that
work
that's
being
done
and
raise
it
up.
Additionally,
cedar
rapids,
we
were
able
to
learn
that
training
is
crucial
for
these
board
members.
F
I
C
F
F
F
F
Right
and
so
ideally,
what
we
would
be
able
to
do
is
say
that
there
was
the
number
of
complaints
that
have
been
lodged
from
some
residents
and
what
the
outcomes
of
of
those
investigations
were
and
then
anything
beyond
that
we're
going
to
need
to
to
carefully
understand
what
what
we
can
legally
provide.
How.
F
No,
actually,
the
investigations
have
outcomes
and
there
are
categories
of
the
outcomes
that
that
say.
The
complaint
was
and
helped
me
out
here
either
unfounded,
confirmed
and
there's
like
three
or
four
categories
that
allow
and
sustained.
I
believe
it's
one
of
them
and,
and
so
those
that
reporting
out
would
be
something
that
I
would
hope,
we'd
be
able
to
put
out
into
the
public.
M
F
H
F
Correct
and
if
in
disciplinary
actions
have
a
route
today
through
the
civil
service,
commission,
yeah,
okay
and
lastly,
on
this
slide
to
develop
and
implement
from
time
to
time
and
amend
as
necessary,
a
program
of
community
outreach
again
very
crucial
that
we
combine
the
efforts
of
community
outreach
aimed
at
soliciting
public
input
as
necessary
and
from
the
broadest
segment
of
the
community
by
all
measurements.
So
councilmember
shoemaker,
getting
to
your
point
earlier
input
from
the
broadest
segment
of
the
community.
F
F
So
other
elements
that
not
to
lose
track,
because
this
is
not
our
starting
point
again.
We
have
the
pprc
there's
a
reason.
We
have
the
pprc
it's
because
of
public
input.
We've
had
from
years
ago,
many
years
ago,
it's
from
the
great
work
that
joshua
barr
had
set
us
down
a
path
with
our
civil
and
human
rights.
There
was
a
quite
a
bit
of
you'll
see
on
here
bridging
the
gap,
work
for
which
we
got
an
incredible
amount
of
public
input
from
one
of
the
I
kind
of
skipped
over
here.
F
But
one
of
the
things
I
heard
from
council
is
a
desire
to
have
every
council
member
have
an
opportunity
to
appoint
somebody
on
a
new
board.
So
I
think
a
good
starting
point
might
be
a
7.7
member
board
that
each
council
member
has
an
appointment
to
just
as
a
starting
point.
I
do
not
want
to
lose
track
that
we've
had
years
worth
of
work
on
our
equity
efforts.
F
There
is
a
toolkit
and
a
framework
that's
been
established
and
approved
by
the
council,
it's
being
used
by
departments,
currently
a
lot
of
great
information
for
the
public
to
go
on.
In
fact,
this
this
is
a
live
link
to
the
equity
toolkit
as
people
pull
this
up
online
and
again
our
statement
there
that
the
social
condition
with
deliberately
creates
choices,
access
and
opportunities
for
all
people
to
fulfill
their
basic
needs,
advance
their
well-being
and
achieve
their
full
potential.
F
F
There's
no
need
to
recreate
it
there's
awful
lot
of
guidance
that
we
can
get
from
from
the
work
there,
and
then
we
have
again
this
report
that
helps
us
on
a
data
informed
piece
at
a
high
at
its
highest
level
and
I'll
sit
down
here
and
let
the
council
speak
more
at
its
highest
level.
We
we
need
to
do
better
at
data
informed
decision
making.
F
F
A
quick
meeting
of
the
advisory
board
with
the
chief
would
be
helpful
to
say
that
event
and
that
other
community
had
flaws
in
some
fashion.
Have
we
addressed
the
potential
to
avoid
that
in
des
moines?
So
having
a
quick
response
from
this
group,
who's
already
knowledgeable
on
the
on
the
department's
policies
would
be
incredibly
valuable
as
well,
and
so
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
I
I
do
hope
that
the
council
considers
an
advisory
board
for
the
police
and
I'll
take
additional
questions.
M
C
E
F
What
what
you'd
be
looking
at
is
trends
of
concerns
and
that's
why,
having
some
type
of
an
annual
report
of
the
number
and
types
of
complaints
are,
you
know,
are
we
overloading
the
civil
service
with
with
disciplinary
actions
the
the
work
of
this
board?
The
new
board
would
be
able
to
hopefully
get
in
front
of
any
of
those
concerns
with
policies
and
procedures
and
even
training
that
may
be
necessary
to
obviously
avoid
future
needs
for
disciplinary
action.
F
So
I
I
see
the
advisory
board
as
a
a
proactive
preventer
that
that
then
the
civil
service
doesn't
have
as
many
cases
in
front.
Frankly
now
I
do
see
quite
a
bit
of
overlap
in
the
opportunity
when
it
comes
to
outreach
with
the
civil
and
human
rights
because
they
have
some
similar
goals
in
in
that
respect,
so
there
there
could
be
a
fair
amount
of
of
overlap
with
civil
and
human
rights,
especially
with
the
bridging
the
gap,
work
and
and
some
other
areas
as
well.
E
F
I
It-
and
I
guess
there
there's
where
I
have
some
questions,
because
you
know
if
you
look
at
the
role
of
cedar
rapids
in
iowa
city,
both
of
those
I
mean
state
law
limits,
what
what
an
advisory
board
can
do.
But
there
is
a
review
function
and-
and
I
think
I
I
think
there
can
be
it
at
least
based
on
what
you
described
a.
I
think
there
can
be
a
significantly
more
robust
review
process.
M
I
would
agree
with
that.
I
think
that
there's
a
large
hole
in
this
recommendation,
specifically
about
what
was
asked
for
by
the
public,
was
for
a
review
board,
and
I
just
think
this
doesn't
meet
that
charge.
At
least
for
me,
when
I'm
asking
for
this,
I'm
asking
for
a
review
board.
I
do
think
that
there's
there's
a
possibility
for
that
within
state
law.
M
I
F
L
C
M
I
think
the
civil
service
commission
kind
of
does
it
in
the
opposite
direction.
Just
looking
at
400
under
the
iowa
code,
it
seems
like
it's
more
in
the
opposite
direction,
whereas
the
employee
who
had
discipline,
can
go
and
ask
for
a
review
of
that.
Yes
versus,
like
the
community
asking
for
a
review.
L
J
M
J
J
M
J
J
M
J
E
J
H
We
keep
adding
things
to
it,
which
is
fine,
but
we've
got
five
of
the
top.
Let's
focus
on
that,
you
know
I
would
be
open
to
an
advisory
board,
but
I'm
not
open
to
a
citizen's
review
board.
There
isn't
any
other
profession,
you
know.
As
a
realtor,
we
have.
We
have
a
professional
standard
wards.
Doctors
have
their
own
boards,
lawyers
have
their
own
voids,
they.
H
We
need
to
be
judged
by
our
peers
and
somebody
who
who
has
walked
in
those
shoes
before
I
feel
pretty
strongly
on
that
an
advisory
board
if
it's
under
the
the
police
department
I'm
open
to
that,
but
it
seems
like
we're
trying
to
we.
We
just
keep
trying
to
add
things.
We've
already
got
our
human
and
civil
rights
commission,
that's
that's!
It's
worked
well
for
years
and
years.
If
there's
a
complaint,
if
you've
got
a
a
civil
or
human
right,
you
can
go
to
them
and
and
have
them
determine
it.
H
We've
got
our
civil
service
commission.
I
I
just
don't
know
what
what
a
review
board
would
do.
So
I'm
open
I'm
open
to
an
advisory
board,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
we
even
need
that,
but
I
would
be
open
to
an
advisory
board
if
each
council
member
were
to
appoint
one
person
and
and
don't
forget
our
community
ambassador
program,
it
looks
to
me
like
there's
a
pretty
good
group
of
people
right
there
that
could
serve
on
on
an
advisory
board.
Those
folks
are
engaged
they're
out
there
in
the
community.
H
They
are
us
they
are
out
there
working
at
community
events.
They
work
alongside
you
know,
they're
there
just
to
be
the
eyes
and
ears
of
the
public,
but
engage
them
more
fully.
You've
got,
I
don't
know
how
many
cap
members
we
have,
but
a
pretty
good
number
and
that
you
know
that
started
out
of
the
you
know.
A
small
group
of
I
think
pastors
in
the
in
the
city
that
wanted
to
come
together.
M
And
so
I
guess
my
question
is
just
like:
where
does
the
confidentiality
end,
because
I
think
that
there
was
a
thought
that
it
ends
at
the
department
like
at
the
bounds
of
the
department,
but
then
I
know
that
it
goes
outside
of
that,
because
the
civil
human
rights
director
yourself
and
and
the
city
attorney
reviewed
those
documents.
I
was
wondering,
does
like
our
police
records
confidential
to
council.
As,
like
the
employing
agency.
J
M
M
J
L
That
that
is
our
responsibility.
You
know
we
we've
entrusted
scott
as
our
city
manager
and
our
city
attorney,
so
we
control
both
of
their
fates
as
far
as
job-wise.
That's
that's!
That's
our
role
as
a
council
is
the
employment
of
our
city
attorney
and
our
city
manager,
and
so
we
have
two
out
of
the
three
that
we
employ
on
the
board
that
overlooks
all
that.
So
I
think
that's
where
that's
where
that
you
know
that's
where
that
draws
the
line.
L
M
I
would
say
that
we
don't
really
have
an
ability
to
see
if
they're
doing
that
job.
If
we
don't
have,
you
know,
unless
we're
reviewing
every
single
thing
as
well
and
because
we
have
so
much
on
our
plates.
The
point
of
that
is
to
create
a
board
that
would
do
that
for
us,
and
so
I
just
think
that
there
is
an
opportunity
to
continue
exploring
this.
H
If,
if
I
can
just
add
one
thing,
I
mean
different
cities
have
different
forms
of
government.
We
have
our
city
manager,
form
of
government,
the
that's
the
form
of
government
that
we
as
the
city
of
des
moines
had
we
are
not
responsible.
What
any
other
department
in
this
city
does.
If
we
have
an
issue,
we
go
to
scott,
the
legal
and
the
city.
Clerk
are
the
only
three
people
that
we
are
responsible
to
right
under
this.
I
I
mean
we
have
other
boards
and
commissions
that
we
have
created
to
provide
that
oversight
and
to
fulfill
those
roles.
So
I
mean
I
think
this
is
a
fundamental
debate
about
policy
direction
and
how
we
provide
oversight
and
accountability
as
a
council,
and
I
recognize
that
there
are
a
lot
of
tricky
legal
issues
to
navigate.
I
But
I
think
that
that
is
something
that
we
can
do
and
still
still
exercise
our
our
jurisdiction.
But
it
is
very
much
a
policy
choice
to
just
say
that
we
are
going
to
completely
defer
everything
to
the
the
city
manager.
We
still
have
a
role
in
providing
accountability
and
oversight
policy
and
it
is
a
choice,
yes,
policy
and
procedure,
but
it
is
a
choice
of
how
we
pro
provide
that
oversight
and
accountability.
I
And
there
are
other
communities
in
this
state
subject
to
the
same
laws
that
we
are
that
have
looked
at
this
and
have
and
have
city
manager
systems
like
we
do
as
well
that
have
figured
out
ways
to
provide
oversight
and
accountability.
It's
a
question
of
whether
or
not
we
want
to
do
that
and
how
we
want
to
do
that,
and
it
merits
time
and
attention
and
detail
rather
than
just
deference.
A
I
A
D
Was
a
different
topic
I
just
wanted
to
say.
I
appreciate
the
work
that
scott's
done
to
look
at
the
comparison.
I
do
believe
we
need
a
citizen
review
board
to
go
along
with
what
we
can
within
the
states.
So
I
just
want
to
comment
on
that
and
we
do
have
framework
from
other
communities
that
we
could
get
this
done.
So
I
would
support
that
and
phasing
out
the
pprc
and
going
into
a
community
review
board.
So
I
just
wanted
to
be
able
to
give
that
comment.
D
A
F
I
I
I
feel
inclined
I've
got
to
say
this:
the
amount
of
effort
and
discussion
about
looking
backwards
on
how
an
event
might
have
been
handled
by
an
officer
and
what
discipline
is
is
is
comes
from
that
I
would.
I
would
strongly
advise
that
we
spend
that
kind
of
effort
on
looking
at
the
policies
and
have
public
input
on
what
it
is
we
find
acceptable
and
how
policing
works
in
des
moines.
F
If
we
stick
to
that
effort
of
saying
you
know,
we
need
to
change
this
element
of
policing
this
element
of
resource
allocation
that
is
going
to
be
far
more
beneficial
to
our
community
than
going
backwards
to
say
that
event
two
years
ago,
that
just
wasn't
handled
well
and
disciplined
well.
I
would
just
leave
you
with
that
comment,
because
our
efforts
are
going
to
be
better
focused
on
helping
the
police
department
understand
where
the
community
is
saying.
We
want
to
police
a
little
bit
differently
in
this
regard,
and-
and
we
need
your
input
in
that.
M
This
is,
this
is
a
separate
comment
that
wasn't
really
brought
up
before.
I
just
would
like
to
respond.
I
completely
respect
that
opinion.
I
also
think
that
there,
when
something
hasn't
been
addressed
to
the
point
where
the
ones
who
were
harmed
feel,
like
anything
happened
in
regard
to
that
sort
of
thing
like
that.
L
Well,
I'm
hoping
that
we're
not
shoving
anything
underneath
the
rug
first
and
foremost
and-
and
I
hope
that
that's
not
happening,
nor
do
I
believe
it's
happening,
but
I
also
feel
like
it's
like
everyone.
A
small
fraction
of
our
community
is
look
at
look
at.
You
know
we
got
you,
we
got
you
this
moment
and
you
know
what
we
need
to
move
forward
to
say:
okay,
how
did
we?
How
did
we
react
and
let's
make
sure
that
we
have
the
proper
policies
set
out,
so
that
doesn't
happen
anymore
and
whatever
happened
in
the
past?
L
It
needs
to
be
addressed
in
the
way
that
we
have
it
addressed
now.
Now
we
need
to
change
that.
Then
we
can
take
a
look
at
changing
that,
but
I
think
we
all
need
to
focus
on
moving
forward
and
not
looking
to
the
past
and
and
haven't.
I
got
you
a
moment,
because
the
videos
and
the
things
that
that
that
are
certain
portions
are
put
in
there
and
certain
things
are
said
in
the
media,
have
been
blown
out
of
proportion
and
and
we
we
now
that
we're
in
litigation.
A
All
right
with
that,
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
attending
this
morning,
appreciate
the
workshop
scott
we're
going
to
be
looking
for
updates
on
this
progress
and
process
as
soon
as
it
is
appropriate,
but
we're
looking
for
sure
at
making
a
decision,
whether
it's
from
amongst
the
five
groups
or
seven
groups
by
june.
Is
that
correct
all
right?
Thank
you.
All
this
means
adjourned.