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From YouTube: 7-18-22 City Council Work Session
Description
Des Moines City Council morning work session on Monday, July 18, 2022.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/CouncilMeetings
A
All
right,
good
morning,
everybody
Welcome
to
our
city
council
work
session
for
July
18th,
we're
gonna
Jump
Right
In
get
started.
Our
first
item
on
the
agenda
today
is
the
dart
update.
Then
we're
going
to
get
a
little
WRA
industrial
surcharge
changes
and
then
the
Southeast
Des
Moines
Levy
I'm,
going
to
turn
it
over
the
manager
got
anything.
A
A
C
Today
and
give
you
an
update
on
some
projects
that
we
have
going
on
at
Dart
as
long
as
well
as
a
bus,
shelter
and
benches
update
as
well.
So
as
we,
some
of
the
things
that
I'd
like
to
cover
here
today,
I'm
assuming
we
have
time,
is
what's
some
of
the
new
things
that
we
have
going
on
at
Dart.
How
we're
planning
for
our
future
bus
stop
is
bus,
stop
improvements
as
well
as
some
of
our
efforts
around
funding
and
planning
around
that.
C
So
first
want
to
just
emphasize
our
appreciation
for
the
opportunity
to
really
collaborate
with
the
city
of
Des,
Moines
I.
Think
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we
have
going
on
at
Dart,
really
align
with
a
lot
of
the
city's
priority
and
planning
that
you
have
been
doing
so.
We've
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
participate
in
your
planned
DSM
and
your
climate
action
planning,
as
well
as
streetscape
projects,
your
vision,
zero
planning
and
then
just
the
collaboration
with
you
and
your
staff
as
it
relates
to
our
Transit,
optimization
study
and
other
Transportation
initiatives
in
the
region.
C
Some
of
the
things
that
we've
also
been
working
on
at
Dart
is
thinking
about
how
we
introduce
technology
into
our
services.
So
we
did
launch
a
Mobility
on
demand
service
in
Ankeny
that
replaced
the
on-call
there,
and
so
now
you
can
use
an
app
and
call
a
vehicle
in
real
time,
and
that
has
been
really
successful.
We've
seen
about
a
300
increase
in
ridership
since
that
was
deployed
in
November,
and
we
are
looking
for
opportunities
to
potentially
deploy
that
type
of
service
here
within
the
city
of
Des,
Moines
and
other
parts
of
the
Metro.
C
We've
also
installed
our
first
art
shelter
over
the
last
year
and
Luis
will
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
here.
In
a
few
minutes,
we've
also
been
working
on
our
Partnerships
with
other
stakeholders
in
the
community,
so
we
did
Advanced
a
partnership
with
our
unlimited
access
program
with
Deer,
Ridge,
Apartments
and
conlon
properties,
and
we've
also
been
working
really
closely
with
Newberry
properties
and
I've
variety
of
their
residential
developments,
and
really
appreciate
council
member
mandelbaum's
promotion
of
that
program.
As
we've
worked
with
those
developers
in
the
community.
D
C
C
So
that
service
carries
about
two
and
a
half
to
three
passengers
an
hour
just
given
that
it's
in
a
Zone
and
and
it
does,
it
spends
a
lot
of
time
moving
around
on
our
traditional
fixed
route,
bus,
like
Route
7,
on
Southwest,
9th
the
route
three
we'd
see
around
15
to
20
passengers
per
hour.
So.
C
One
of
the
other
things
that
we've
worked
really
closely
on
this
year
and
appreciate
the
collaboration
with
the
city
is
our
new
reduced
Fair
program
ride
to
thrive,
and
that
allows
anybody
who
is
seeking
unemployment
benefits,
Workforce
training,
housing
benefits,
food
benefits
or
child
care
benefits
to
be
able
to
access
a
half
bear
bus
pass
and
any
one
of
our
half
fare,
so
they
can
buy
a
single
ride
to
a
weekly
pass
monthly
pass.
So
that
has
been
really
popular.
C
F
Okay,
fantastic.
Do
you
have
any
like
idea
for
the
future
of
that
or
how
long,
until
we're
kind
of
discussing
what
the
next
steps
with
that.
C
F
Is
there
going
to
be
any
discussion
of
expanding
the
reduced
fare
to
larger
populations.
C
F
C
You
and
then
we've
also
had
our
seven
electric
buses
in
service
now
for
over
a
year
and
have
been
performing
well
and
we
get
about
200
miles
to
a
charge
in
the
summer
spring
months,
but
get
about
half
that
in
the
winter.
So
that
is
something
that
we're
evaluating
as
we
continue
to
to
move
forward.
So
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Luis.
C
So
the
average
bus
or
route
we
try
to
keep
it
out
about
300
to
350
miles
is
what
an
average
day
is.
So
we
do
switch
the
buses
out
midday,
given
that
the
mileage
constraints,
how.
C
We
have
two
different
kinds
of
charging
equipment:
one
we
can
charge
in
a
couple
of
hours
another.
We
have
a
slower
charge
that
takes
about
six
two.
G
G
We
did
have
a
long-range,
Plan
called
the
transit
optimization
study
that
was
approved
by
the
dart
Commission
in
March,
and
that
plan
included
a
lot
of
the
things
that
Elizabeth
talked
about,
that
we're
already
doing
in
terms
of
trying
new
Innovative
services,
but
also
building
on
what
we
already
have.
G
We
know
that
our
fixed
route
service
is
going
to
always
be
the
backbone
of
of
our
service,
because
it
is
the
most
efficient
and
effective
way
to
serve
folks,
and
so
that
that
Transit,
optimization
study
was
really
about
building
on
what
we
have
and
trying
out
some
new
things,
seeing
how
we
could
try
to
serve
more
with
with
our
resources.
There's
a
photo
there
in
the
lower
right
of
the
vehicle
that
we're
going
to
be
that
we've
purchased
and
is
being
manufactured
for
that
on-demand
service.
For
the
question.
G
And
so
this
is
just
taking
a
step
back
of
kind
of
where
we
landed
in
the
end
of
that
of
that
long-range
planning
process
really
trying
to
think
about
the
region
as
a
whole.
G
H
G
And
this
is
a
piece
that
we're
really
learning
the
most
about
is
about.
How
do
we
knit
it
all
together,
because
we
do
want
it
to
operate
as
a
system
that
is
integrated
and
that
has
seamless
transfers,
whether
you're
transferring
from
bus
route
to
bus
route
or
from
one
of
those
flexible
Mobility
on
demand
services
to
a
bus
route,
whether
you're
planning
your
trip,
whether
you're
paying
for
your
trip,
but
those
things
are
integrated
both
with
technology
but
also
in
the
physical
space?
And
so
that's
when
we
start
to
think
about
bus
stops.
F
I
ask:
can
you
clarify
the
yellow
areas?
Microtransit
is
at
the
smaller
buses
that
you
were
talking
about
exactly
okay,.
G
Thank
you,
and
this
is
the
long-term
view,
not
all
funded
places
where
we
determined
different
Services
could
match
the
needs,
but
then
the
plan
itself
breaks
it
down
into
things
that
could
actually
be
funded
and
then
the
things
that
we
would
need
to
see.
G
And
then
beyond
the
the
infrastructure
and
the
technology
is
the
policies
and
when
we
go
around
each
member
Community,
we
really
try
to
emphasize
and
with
you
all,
you're
very
well
aware
of
this.
G
Through
your
policies,
you
already
have
enacted
that
focusing
development
where
Transit
already
exists
is
the
most
efficient
and
effective
way
to
serve
our
region
that
we
really
want
to
emphasize
when
people
are
thinking
about
development,
to
consider
the
connection
between
Transit
housing
and
jobs
that
we
promote
complete
streets,
because
every
Transit
trip
starts
and
ends
with
a
walk.
G
G
To
provide
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
bus,
stop
improvements,
I
know
that
there
was
a
presentation,
I
think
about
art,
shelters
a
couple
months
back
and
some
questions
came
up.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
able
to
go
into
a
level
of
detail
and
answer
any
questions
just
for
background.
Of
course,
bus
shelters
are
one
of
our
most
requested
amenities,
they're,
not
just
a
place
to
to
sit
and
and
wait
for
your
bus
get
out
of
the
elements.
F
Oh
sorry,
what
happened
to
you
get
requests
for
not
just
a
bus
shelter
but
like
a
paved
stop.
G
It
varies,
I,
don't
know
that
it's
once
a
week,
even
but
it's
more
like
so
when
I
say
it's
the
most
requested
it's
when
we
do
our
surveys-
and
we
say
you
know
if
we,
if
we
want
to
prioritize
our
resources,
you
know
you
want
more
frequent
routes.
You
want
bus
stops,
a
lot
of
the
bus,
shelters
and
bus
stops.
Improvements
rise
to
the
top.
D
Luis,
the
one
in
front
of
Park
Avenue
School
on
Southwest
9th
any
plans
of
repairing
it
I
know:
we've
had
multiple
vandalism
problems,
but.
G
Yes
and
so,
and
I
I
think
that
one
has
been
repaired
once
and
it
might
have
been
revitalized,
and
so
it's
now
it's
a
matter
of
of
Supply
and
getting
the
glass
out
there.
But.
I
D
G
As
they
get
broken,
we
order
the
glass
and
then
sometimes
it
takes
days.
Sometimes
it
takes
weeks
and
it's
been
broken
for
a
while
yeah.
It's
definitely
been
been,
ordered,
good
and
working
on
it
yeah,
but
anyway
yeah.
So
so
just
a
symbol
of
our
commitment
to
serving
our
customers
and
serving
the
region.
G
Yes,
and
so
that
varies,
we
have
some
agreements
where
third
parties
empty
the
garbage,
really
dart's
preference,
because
we
only
have
so
many
people
that
can
run
around
doing
trash
cans.
So
operation
downtown
is
a
good
example
of
that
many
of
the
bus
shelters.
When
we
do
them
like
at
Grandview,
then
we
have
a
agreement
with
Grandview
that
Grandview
is
going
to
do
the
trash
or
Drake's
going
to
empty
the
trash,
but
a
lot
of
them
are
emptied
by
Dart
as
well.
So
it's
a
mixture.
G
Review
of
the
shelters
throughout
the
region,
so
we
do
have
56
shelters
that
are
currently
operating.
48
of
those
are
in
Des
Moines
and
there's
a
good
reason
for
that.
That's
where
our
majority
of
our
ridership
is.
We
do
try
to
focus
these
on
those
busiest
corridors
where
we
see
the
most
ridership,
where
our
buses
are
coming,
the
most
often
really
the
most
cost
effective
way
for
us
to
pursue
about
shelters.
G
We
do
only
install
them
where
there
are
sidewalks.
That's
just
has
to
do
with
Ada
and
and
some
of
our
federal
requirements
that
people
can
be
able
to
get
to
the
bus,
but
also
from
the
bus
stop
to
their
their
destination.
And
so
we
really
try
to
try
to
focus
on
those
corridors.
Do.
F
You
have
any
like
a
survey
of
like
the
quality
of
all
the
stops
versus
like
how
many
bus
stops
are
there,
because
I
would
imagine
that
in
newer
areas
of
the
Metro,
it
might
be
more
paved
and
easier
to
act
as
a
bus.
Stop
versus
some
of
the
older
areas
where
you're
going
to
have
just
grass
at
a
curb
so
like
I,
would
love
to
see
something
like
that
versus
where
we
have
the
bus
stops.
I,
don't
know
if
there's
anything
like
that,
so.
G
I
think,
if
I
understand
about
like
more
of
a
comprehensive
review
of
of
all
the
bus
stops
and
what
their
condition
is.
Yes,
I
was
saying:
yeah,
yeah,
we'd
love
that
too
there's
been
little
studies
here
and
there
that
have
looked
at
it
more
comprehensively,
but
certainly
not
the
whole
system.
I
do
think
you're
right
that
some
of
the
newer
streets
that
are
being
built,
especially
where
we're
able
to
participate
in
that
design
process
they
get
built
with
some
of
those.
Some
of
those
Ada
features
in
particular
already
in
there.
G
G
Yes,
just
about
I
think
it's
it
might
be
at
1900
or
so
now
yeah.
So
it's
we
have
a
lot
of
stops.
G
G
Thank
you
for
that
yeah.
So
the
mpo
is
redoing
their
long-range
plan
and,
as
part
of
that,
there's
a
there's,
a
pedestrian
element
and,
and
part
of
that
is
looking
at
sidewalks
where
they
exist
and
where
they
don't
exist,
region-wide,
and
so
that
that's
a
big
piece
of
it
is
just
where
their
sidewalks
and
where
there's
not
and
then
Ada
accessibility
lighting.
All
the
other
things.
A
So
Louise
and
and
remembering
the
tomorrow
plan,
how
is
the
mpo
updating
that?
Because
that
was
going
to
be
the
regional
plan
that
looked
at
all
the
things
that
we
talked
about,
the
you
know:
the
corridors,
the
nodes,
the
housing,
affordable,
Workforce
housing
and
to
put
those
on
corridors
and
near
them
where
we
could
get
public
transportation?
G
So
I
don't
want
to
over
speak
but
because
that
completely
familiar
but
I
understand
that
that's
going
to
begin
the
process
of
of
updating
it's
just
time,
I
think
it's
every
five
years
or
so
they're
in
the
process
of
updating
that,
but
overall
I
mean
I,
think
it's
been
being
implemented.
I
think
it's!
You
see
it
a
lot
in
more
more
cohesive
plans
that
come
out
of
each
of
the
member
communities
that
have
something
that
they
can.
G
They
can
point
to
and
have
similar
themes
out
of
so
I
know
it's
being
implemented
and
that
they're
also
going
to
start
the
process
of
updating
it.
A
G
That's
always
going
to
be
a
work
in
progress.
No,
you
know
yeah
I,
think
I,
think
we'd
love
to
we'd
love
to
see
even
more
of
it.
I
think.
There's
some
good
examples
out.
There
recently
participated
in
the
Polk
County
Housing
trust
funds,
bus
tour,
that
I
know
a
number
of
you
did
as
well,
and
just
some
good
examples
to
see
out
there
and
certainly
more
to
be
done.
G
Yeah,
that
that's
is
that
a
condom
property.
J
G
G
This
is
just
a
little
bit
more
acknowledging
the
the
partnership
with
the
city
and
with
developers
and
how
those
48
shelters
in
Des
Moines
a
little
bit
of
a
closer
view.
It's
the
same
locations
that
were
shown
before,
but
this
breaks
it
out
a
little
bit
between
those
shelters
that
we've
been
able
to
coordinate
with
with
City
improvements.
G
So
if
you
look
at
Sixth,
Avenue
Ingersoll
University
these
corridors,
where
the
city
has
invested
quite
heavily
partnered
closely
with
dart
on
the
design
and
the
location
of
those
bus
stops
and
we're
really
seeing
it
pay
off
with
more
shelters
and
then,
of
course,
the
development
coordination
as
well,
whether
it's
it's
a
major
development
or
even
a
minor
site
plans.
We
monitor
those
on
a
weekly
basis,
communicate
with
staff,
and
they
really
help
to
advocate
for
us
with
the
development
Community
to
get
the
improvements
that
we
want
to
see.
G
G
This
is
about
a
three-year
plan
and
I
say
about
because
sometimes
our
funding
fluctuates
a
little
bit
or
a
lot
of
times
we're
waiting
for
development
projects
so
that
they
can
pour
the
concrete,
and
then
we
can
come
into
the
shelter.
But
this
is
when
we've
we've
taken
our
look
ahead
about
three
years
of
funding.
That's
where
these
shelters.
F
Starting
in
the
next
fiscal
year,
starting
right
now,.
G
This
year,
okay,
some
of
these
are
in
a
truck
on
their
way
here
and
and
they're
they're,
real
close,
so
maybe
a
handful
of
those.
And
then
we
do
we're
doing
about
10
to
20
a
year,
and
it
depends
on
the
year
cool.
G
So,
actually,
thank
you
for
the
segue.
The
majority
of
the
shelters
are
actually
planned
to
be
art,
shelters,
we're
really
happy
with
the
partnership
that
we
have.
We
have
a
funding
agreement
with
Bravo
to
fund
a
fairly
significant
amount
of
our
art
shelter
program,
as
well
as
using
some
of
the
funding.
G
That's
been
set
aside
by
city
of
Des
Moines
from
some
of
those
parking
garage
revenues
to
fund
the
art
shelters
as
well,
so
recall
that
we
are
incorporating
art
within
the
glass,
and
so
this
is
between
the
glass
is
actually
two
layers
of
glass
and
so
there's
printed
art
in
the
middle.
This
is
a
picture
of
Sixth
Avenue
and
one
of
the
shelters
that
we
installed
last
year,
and
so
so
majority
of
the
shelters
actually
are
I.
G
Don't
have
the
number
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
it's
majority
not
all
really
depends
on
again
where
we
can
we're.
With
the
funding
can
line
up
a
lot
of
times.
We
try
to
do
them
along
corridors
so
that
we
can
have
really
a
larger
canvas
of
art
when
you
think
about
University
and
sixth
and
Ingersoll.
Some
of
those
examples
of
larger
streetscape
projects
where
we
have
a
neighborhood,
that's
engaging
in
a
process.
We
can
also
engage
with
them
about
art,
and
then
you
get
multiple
pieces
along
a
long
quarter.
G
Then
there's
certainly
plenty
of
examples
where
we
have
one-offs
here
and
there
that
were.
G
And
this
is
just
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
those
art,
shelter
projects,
so
the
ones
that
have
been
done
are
on
University
in
front
of
Drake,
as
well
as
along
Sixth
Avenue.
It's
part
of
the
streetscape
project
there,
there's
more
planned
for
both
of
those
locations
also
been
working
with
the
Avenues
to
to
incorporate
art
shelters,
along
with
the
Ingersoll
improvements
Along
on
42nd
Street
working
with
those
Neighbors
in
the
Roosevelt
Cultural
District,
there's
two
shelters
on
the
way
from
there,
so
those
are
all
ones
that
art
has
been
selected.
G
You
all
have
approved
it
and
they're
they're
in
the
process
or
installed.
I
mentioned
some
more
that
are
on
the
way
under
development
Drake
and
working
with
the
East
Village.
The
art
hasn't
been
developed
for
those
those
are
just
ones
where
we're
working
with
them
to
develop
the
art
and
then
lots
of
other
locations
that
we've
identified
and
are
under
development.
What.
G
G
D
G
Well,
it
varies
because
the
costs
for
them
vary
so
I'll
give
an
example.
The
first
ones
we're
swapping
out
are
on
42nd
Street,
with
working
with
the
Roosevelt
Cultural
District
had
shelters
that
were
installed
10
years
ago.
Well
turns
out
when
we
want
to
swap
out
the
glass
the
the
sides
of
the
of
the
shelter.
It's
not
so
easy.
So
we
have
to
replace
the
sides
of
the
shelter.
So
sometimes
it's
really
as
simple
as
the
six
thousand
dollars
of
art
class
and
and
that
one
Bravo
pays.
G
But
in
the
case
of
the
Roosevelt
we
had
to
use
Dart
funding
to
replace
some
of
the
structural
elements
of
the
of
a
little
bit
of
an
older
shelter
and
so
Bravo's
still
doing
the
the
six
thousand
dollars,
but
as
a
percentage
of
the
total
Improvement
they're
not
doing
they're,
not
funding
the
whole
Improvement.
F
G
So
I
think
that
the
final
point
to
the
art
shelters
is
that
we've
made
significant
progress
on
this
you've
already
seen.
A
number
of
those
selected
art
pieces
come
through
for
your
approval
about
70
of
the
locations
we've
identified
have
been
initiated,
so
that's
either
been
approved
or
even
just
there's
a
there's.
A
committee
formed
of
you
know
art
experts
and
neighborhood
stakeholders
who
are
reviewing
art
and
so
they'll
continue
to
come
through
the
pipeline.
G
Benches
are
a
amenity,
that's
actually
newer
for
Dart.
Of
course,
all
our
bus
stops
have
benches
in
them,
but
we
haven't
been
installing
stand-alone
benches
and
that
is
evolving.
We've
been
working
with
City
staff
to
look
at
as
their
your
existing
contract
with
an
outdoor
advertising
firm
comes
to
an
end
that
Dart
would
take
over
the
installation
and
maintenance
of
benches
at
bus
stops,
and
so
we've
started
working
on.
You
know,
contracts
and
things,
but
also
looking
at
the
specific
locations
and
to
councilperson
Schumacher's
comment.
G
G
Is
it
high
ridership
we've
done
that
at
a
subset
of
locations,
and
so
there
was
I
think
about
a
hundred
existing
advertising
benches
that
that
darts
looked
at,
so
those
are
going
to
critical
way
as
that,
as
that
contract
expires
and
won't
be
maintained
by
that
contractor
anymore,
a
number
of
those
locations
we
figured
out
I
think
about
a
third
of
them
actually
didn't
even
have
bus
stops
anymore
because
they
had
installed
installed.
G
Bus
stops
had
been
moved,
things
had
evolved
and
so
I
think
those
have
maybe
even
been
removed
already
so
between
the
the
ones
that
don't
have
bus
stops
anymore,
the
ones
that
aren't
Ada
accessible
or
that
the
the
the
cost
of
upgrading
them
would
be
wouldn't
make
sense.
Given
the
or
these
are.
These
are
not
the
highest
ridership
stops.
G
These
are
stops
where
we
want
to
have
bus,
stop
where
we
want
to
have
some
amenity,
but
not
quite
the
full
investment
of
a
shelter
and
so
there's
sort
of
a
limit
on
what's
cost
effective
for
for
spending
on
improvements.
So
we
we
come
down
to
you
know.
Dart
will
replace
a
number
of
the
the
advertising
benches
with
dart
benches
and
it's
a
standard
bench.
G
You
can
see
it
there
pictured
at
the
top,
but
it's
really
going
to
come
down
to
being
about
25
to
30
of
those
which
was
a
hundred,
and
so
we
we
acknowledge
that.
That's
a
that's
a
decrease
that
can
be
seen
as
a
decrease
in
the
public
amenity,
but
it
really
comes
down
to
the
difference
between
the
standard
that
Dart
is
upheld
to
and
that's
the
full
Ada
standard,
and
that
a
lot
of
these
benches
that
are
out
there
there's
no
sidewalk
that
leads
to
it.
G
There's
no
safe
place
for
for
somebody
to
Cross
or
it's
just
in
the
grass
there's,
not
even
a
really
much
of
a
of
a
walkway,
and
so,
as
Dart
looks
at
taking
it
over.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
bring
it
up
to
the
amenity
that
we
would
we
would
hold
ourselves
to,
and
so
that's
going
to
limit
how
we
can
do
that.
We
have
10
benches,
that
we've
ordered
and
that
we've
identified
the
locations
I'm
going
to
install
them
this
year
and
then
we'll
we'll
work
on
beyond
that.
G
As
we
evaluate
each
one
beyond
that,
beyond
that
just
pure
replacement,
though
we
want
to
install
more
benches
in
more
places,
you
know
we're
realizing
that
you
know
some
places
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
do
the
full
investment
of
a
shelter,
especially
when
it
can
be
a
Community
Asset
like
a
shelter,
but
there's
also
places
where
you
know
some
really
basic
Ada
upgrades
and
a
much
more
cost.
Effective
bench
is
the
right,
Improvement
and
so
we'll
be
installing
them
not
just
at
these
replacement
locations
at
additional
locations
that
make
sense
so.
J
I
have
a
question:
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
clear,
I'm
glad
that
we're
doing
away
with
the
advertising,
because
I
think
it's
ugly
and
people
put
graffiti
on
there
and
drop
mustaches
on
faces,
and
you
know
I'm
just
glad
to
see
that
go.
But
are
you
saying
that
when
that
contract
ends,
those
bus
benches
will
go
away
and
right
now
you're
replacing
them
with
10.,
so
we're
taking
out
we'll
be
removing
how
many
to
replace
with
10.
G
So
my
understanding
is
that
I
think,
like
the
30
or
so
benches
that
Pam
we've
been
working
closely
with
Pam
on
this.
A
number
of
them
have
already
been
removed.
I
think.
I
J
J
J
L
I
I
G
Okay,
they
walk
away,
then
they're
the
ones
doing
the
snow,
removal
and
the
ones
addressing
the
graffiti.
If
you're
doing
it.
So
I
would
worry
that
if
you
let
them
walk
away.
D
So
so,
to
follow
up
on
that
question.
Does
Dart
put
all
the
benches
in
all
the
communities
whether
it
be
West,
Des
Moines,
you
know
everywhere.
Do
they
do
you
guys?
Do
we
Dart
members,
pay
for
that
or
does
community
really
pay
for
that.
G
There's
very
few
that
I
can
think
of
where,
where
Dart
has
installed
a
bench,
usually
it's
it's,
the
the
community,
that's
doing
it.
Okay,
most
communities
don't
have
as
busy
as
bus
stops.
So
like
a
lot
of
times,
it's
more
so
Valley,
West
Mall
is
a
good
example
where
it's
it's
a
really
busy
bus
stop.
We
have
a
full
shelter
there.
There's
there's
less
bus
stops
that
meet
the
kind
of
criteria
benches
and
it
just
hasn't
been
in
our
program.
We've
been
focusing
on
those.
F
Is
this
a
picture
of
like
the
actual
Avengers?
This
is
an
example.
You
have
a
few
pictures
here.
Yes,
thank
you.
G
So
the
top
bench
is
the
bench
that
we've
ordered
they've
ordered
already:
that's
that's
the
actual
bench.
It
is
very
similar
to
the
bench
that
we
have
in
our
shelters.
We
kind
of
wanted
to
match.
With
our
with
our
brand.
The
the
lower
benches
are
ideas.
We
actually
have
ordered
a
version
of
what
you
see,
because
I
wanted
to
emphasize
that
in
a
lot
of
places
the
right-of-way
is
constrained.
G
We
don't
have
enough
space
for
I,
forget
I,
think
it's
like
five
feet,
wide
six
feet,
long
concrete
pad
that
we
need,
plus
the
walk
out
to
the
bus,
stop
there's
some
places
where
the
sidewalk's
narrow,
where
there's
limited
space
and
we've
actually
seen
some
examples
like
this,
which
is
really
an
enhanced
bus.
Stop
sign
pole
that
has
a
cleaning
post,
a
resting
post
on
it,
and
so
we
actually
did
order.
One
of
them
is
our
staff
member
at
the
conference
where
they
tried
this
out.
G
We
have
ordered
this
to
try
out
in
some
places
because
we're
just
trying
to
be
creative
and
realize.
Where
can
we
kind
of
maximize
our
investment
get
something
in
those
places
that
are
that
are
really
constrained?
Does.
G
We're
certainly
interested
in
some
of
those,
but
just
to
start
off,
we
did
not
go
with
the
solar
lighting
and
the
real-time
arrival
display.
We
just
did
the
and.
G
Okay,
yep
yep
yep,
so
they'd
still
have
they
wouldn't
be
blue,
like
that
they
would
that's
just
an
example
where
you
can
see.
You
know,
that's
a
that's
a
really
busy
location,
there's
utilities,
underground
and
stuff,
and
so
they
didn't
want
to
put
a
bench
there.
They
just
slapped
that
pole
on
there,
which
is
really
easy
to
remove.
If
and
that's
something
that
would
come
up
to
against
a
lot
where
there's
things
on
the
ground
you
just
sometimes
a
poll
is
just
easier.
F
Going
back
to
the
bench,
the
full-sized
bench
were
there
any
discussions
about
anti-homeless
architecture,
removing
those
little
bumps
in
there.
We.
G
Did
yeah
we
considered
that
so
there's
there's
various
opinions
about
whether
to
have
stanchions
in
the
in
the
mill
of
of
benches
in
general
that
are
in
the
public
right-of-way
because
it
either
appears
to
or
does
prepare
to
focus
on
on
unsheltered
folks
and
that
we're
saying
like
they're
not
welcome
here,
because
they
might
sleep
on
the
bench
very
aware
of
that
I.
G
Think
for
us
it
was
a
matter
of
thinking
about
how
do
we
make
sure
that
these
benches
are
used
for
their
intended
purpose
and
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
people
feel
safe
and
welcome.
Everybody
feel
safe
and
welcome
at
our
benches
and
our
and
our
bus
stops
and
shelters
rather,
and
so
it
was
important
for
us
that
that
they
do
feel
we
look
at
visibility.
We
look
at
lighting
and-
and
we
think
about
trying
to
make
sure
that
you
know
unfortunately
make
sure
people
aren't
laying
off,
but
we
did
consider
it.
G
I
had
a
slide
about
trash
cans
for
councilwoman
westergard
asked,
but,
as
I
said,
you
know,
we
we
installed
bus.
We
install
trash
cans
at
some
locations,
really
based
on
the
need
a
lot
of
times.
It
comes
from
complaints
where
you
see
trash
piling
up,
and
then
we
say:
okay,
you
know,
let's,
let's
work
to
figure
out
a
solution
here.
G
Sometimes
it's
a
it's
a
dart
trash
can
sometimes
it's
not
back
to
the
those
site
plan
agreements
a
lot
of
times
we're
asking
you
know,
especially
if
it's
like
a
convenience
store
or
gas
station,
that
they
include
a
trash
can
in
with
that,
and
that
that
I
think
helps
out
a
lot,
because
sometimes
you
know
you
can
kind
of
think
about
trash
as
it's.
It's
an
indicator
of
economic
activity,
a
lot
of
times,
people
just
had
a
snack.
G
They
had
a
drink
and
now
they're
going
to
get
on
the
bus,
and
you
can't
bring
your
snack
and
your
drink
on
the
bus
and
so
there's
not
a
place
for
them
to
throw
it
away.
They
leave
it.
It's
not
ideal,
so
you
know
the
more.
We
can
get
these
trash
cans
installed,
especially
as
part
of
some
of
those
convenience
store
locations
the
better.
This
is
an
example
of
operation
downtown
that
they
actually
empty.
That
trash.
Can
there
I,
don't
remember
whether
they
installed
a
specific
can
or
not,
or
whether
that
was
us.
J
I'm
just
aware
of
of
one
that
on
a
stretch-
and
it
is
always
overflowing
and
I
know
years
ago-
I
had
a
conversation
with
Jonathan
about
about
these
and
it
was
I.
Think
part
of
the
Schmid
was
emptying
it.
But
then
we
discovered
that
that
really
wasn't
in
the
Schmidt
District,
so
they
shouldn't
have
been
emptying
it
and
then
the
property
owners,
the
business
owners
in
front
of
it,
said
well
we're
not
going
to
empty
it
and
I
know
it's
still
an
issue
yeah.
G
Yeah
and
they're,
you
know
we
have.
We
have
staff
who
who
run
around
emptying
the
trash
cans,
some
of
them
two
plus
times
a
week.
It
really
just
depends
on
how
full
they
get.
So
if
it's
a,
if
it's
a
trash,
can
if
there's
any
Trash
Can,
you
know,
let
us
know,
and
we
can
look
at
it.
G
We
have
a
list
of
what's
maintained
by
Dart,
what's
maintained
by
somebody
else,
and
if
we
need
to
to
increase
the
amount
of
times
that
we
empty
it,
we
can
I
think
we're
we're
really
Limited
in
how
many
additional
trash
cans
we
can
do
just
because
of
our
limited
capacity
to
run
around
emptying
them
because
the
more
we
do,
then
we
either
need
to
buy
more
trucks
and
hire
more
people,
or
just
we
can't
get
around
to
the
ones
we
have
as
often.
F
Maybe
conveniently
Jonathan
could
answer
this
question.
If
I
could
put
you
on
the
spot,
what
would
there
be
a
possibility
of
a
partnership
with
the
city
to
empty
trash
cans,
or
would
that
be
outside
of
our
capacity.
K
We
have
a
limited
capacity
to
pick
up
new
service.
It
would
be
something
that
we
would
if
it
were,
if
the
garbage
can
were
or
somebody
else's
responsibility,
it
would
be
a
fee
for
service
or
sort
of
arrangement.
G
So
beyond
trash
be
on
a
place
to
sit,
we
think
a
lot
about
how
the
bus
stops
are
maintained.
Most
of
the
bus
stops,
as
we
mentioned,
nearly
2
000
bus
stops,
aren't
maintained
by
Dart.
We
have
a
poll-
sometimes
it's
just
a
pole
in
the
grass,
but
but
we
don't.
We
don't
maintain
the
the
underlying
land,
the
exceptions
to
that
are
the
shelters
and,
in
the
future
benches
because
Dart,
you
know,
takes
over
kind
of
we
have
easements
for
shelters
and
then
we'll
have
a
license
agreement
for
benches.
G
So
we
we
clean
those
shelters
on
a
regular
basis.
We
will
clean
benches,
make
sure
they're
free
of
graffiti
dark
handles
any
anything
that
breaks
on
the
shelter
itself
or
on
the
bench.
G
We
also
make
sure
that
they're
Ada
accessible,
so
that
has
to
do
with
not
just
when
it's
installed,
but
also
that
throughout
the
seasons.
So
when
we
think
about
snow
removal,
snow
removal
is
actually
an
ADA
concern
and
so
because
we're
required
to
to
maintain
Ada
in
our
facilities,
consider
shelters
and
benches
to
be
our
facilities
and
we'll
maintain
the
snow
at
those
locations
and,
as
I
mentioned
trash
from
what
some
locations,
but
unfortunately
the
vast
majority
of
other
locations.
G
We
don't,
we
don't
have
the
capacity
to
do
it,
but
we
also
just
don't
have
the
kind
of
the
responsibility
as
we
see
it
and
and
unfortunately
it's
it's
not
really
clear
in
a
lot
of
cases
who
does?
If
we're
you
know,
if
we
think
about
those
those
sign
in
the
grass
type
of
bus
stops,
nobody's
required
to
move
remove
snow
from
the
grass.
G
In
fact,
the
grass
is
actually
where
the
snow
is
stored
when
the
plows
move
it
off
the
road,
it
serves
that
function,
and
so
we
coach
our
our
drivers
and
try
to
educate
our
operators
to
kind
of
try
to
work
around
that
to
to
move
down
to
the
corner.
Where
there's
a
bird
ramp,
that's
that's,
hopefully
been
cleared
for
our
driveway
or
something
or
somebody
can
get
through.
G
We
totally
acknowledge
that
that
it's
difficult
in
the
winter
time,
actually,
this
past
winter,
we
made
an
effort
to
try
to
just
at
least
do
some
more
education
around
this.
We
worked
with
some
of
the
larger
stakeholders
like
operation,
downtown
dmps,
where
there's
they
kind
of
have
lots
of
bus
stops
in
their
control
and
they
have
professional
Crews
that
are
out
there
clearing
snow,
they
say:
hey
look.
We
know
you're
clear
on
the
sidewalk.
You
could
also
clear
this
piece
here
that
leads
out
to
the
bus
stop
and
where
the
bus
is
pulling
up.
G
That
would
really
help
us
some
mixed.
You
know
results
of
that
initially,
but
that's
an
effort
that
we'll
continue
to
do
you
know
each
winter
just
to
try
to
try
to
get
try
to
leverage
some
of
that
existing
activity.
That's
going
on
to
focus
specifically
on
the
clearing
of
bus
stops.
F
He
said
that
you
do
that
with
kind
of
like
the
larger
property
owners.
Have
you
had
any
program
where
I
don't
even
know?
If
you
know
all
the
addresses
that
line
up
with
bus
stops,
but
where
you're
sending
out
to
homeowners
or
smaller
businesses
that
have
a
bus
stop
and
saying
like
hi,
could
you
please
clear,
while
you're
clearing
us
now.
G
We
considered
that
the
just
kind
of
the
administration
of
that
would
be
difficult
because
we
don't
have
we
don't
list
them
as
addresses.
We
list
them
as
like
intersections
yeah.
So
we
know
the
intersections
of
our
bus
stops,
but
not
like
that
it
correlates.
So
it's
not
like
an
automated
thing.
We'd
have
to
manually
kind
of
query
that
and
then
also
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
request.
It's
not
required.
I
think
that
there
was
some
some
media
coverage
of
this.
You
know
each
winner.
G
F
G
Exactly
and
so
that's
where,
when
I
think
about
the
administrative
burden
of
of
Dart,
trying
to
ask
people
to
do
it,
if
we
know
that
you
know
neighbors,
asking
neighbors
isn't
necessarily
A
doesn't
turn
into
a
long-term
sustainable
thing
that
they
want
to
have
you
know,
professionals
or
the
government
or
whoever
Do
It
it's
difficult
for
for
Dart
to
be
in
that
position
to
try
to
be
that
champion
on
the
2000
bus
stop
scale,
so
we
focus
on
those
higher
ridership
stops,
which
tend
to
be
in
commercial
corridors,
corridors
that
have
a
Schmid
or
a
major
institution
like
I
listed.
F
Just
just
to
be
completely
clear
when
I
was
saying
there
wasn't
the
capacity
for
residents,
it
was
a
small
group
of
people
going
around
and
clearing
bus
stops
where
either
sidewalks
hadn't
already
been
cleared
or
sidewalks
had
been
included.
The
bus
stops
hadn't
been
cleared.
So
when
I'm
speaking
about
Dart
asking
you
know
homeowners
who
have
a
bus
stop
in
front
of
them,
it
would
be
more
widespread
where
someone
is
clearing
their
sidewalk
and
would
be
able
to
do
it.
F
I
don't
know
if
there
would
be
a
system
for
that
of
maybe
even
just
putting
a
sign
on
the
bus.
Stop
saying
hi,
please
clear
me
or
something
like
that,
while
people
are
doing
their
sidewalks,
but
that's
why
I
brought
that
up
and
clarifying
that
there
wasn't
capacity
for
the
group
that
was
clearing
to
do
the
2000
bus
stops
exactly
yes,
yeah.
G
You
know
I,
think
they're
all
good
ideas
and,
as
you
can
imagine,
each
season,
we
we
take
a
step
back
and
and
evaluate
what
we're
doing
and
how
we
do
it,
and
so
we'll
continue
to
think
about
how
we
can
get
that
word
out.
Fantastic.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
foreign.
G
It's
hard
to
think
about
snow,
but
it'll,
be
here
before
we
know
it.
Sorry,
folks,
just
some
more
next
steps
on
shelters,
benches
bus
stops
in
general
I
mentioned
that
we
still
have
some
work
to
do
to
execute
a
license
agreement
between
Dart
and
the
city.
G
We
have
draft
that's
going
back
and
forth
hope
to
have
it
in
front
of
you
folks
in
the
next
month
or
two
I
think
we
have
it
scheduled
to
go
to
the
dart
commission,
hopefully
in
September,
we'll
continue
to
coordinate
those
bus,
stop
improvements
with
with
City
streetscape
projects,
private
development,
as
we
because
we've
had
those
great
opportunities
to
do
continue
to
work
with
neighborhood
leaders
in
the
public,
Art
Foundation
to
develop
art
that
can
be
incorporated
into
those
bus
shelters
and
then,
of
course,
continue
to
pursue
funding
opportunities
to
fund
all
this.
C
Closed
it
out
quickly,
here,
I
know
we're
probably
way
over
time.
So
as
we
continue
to
think
about
our
service
and
all
that
we
have
been
doing
and
being
Innovative
as
an
organization.
We
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
solid
financial
and
fiscal
foundation,
so
we've
been
working
really
hard
through
the
pandemic,
to
be
intentional
about
how
we
utilize
our
funding
and
take
and
also
take
into
consider
current
economic
pressures
so
that
we
are
serving
our
member
communities
in
an
efficient
and
effective
way.
C
So
I
know
I've
been
before
you
before.
We've
talked
about
governance,
we've
talked
about
the
property
tax
formula
and
we've
been
really
focused
over
the
last
couple
of
years
on
funding
diversification
and
working
with
the
legislature
on
opportunities
to
find
new
Revenue
sources
to
diversify
our
funding,
to
reduce
the
property
tax
burden
to
the
city
of
Des
Moines
and
our
other
member
communities.
We've
also
been
looking
at
long-term
financial
planning.
C
One
of
the
things
our
CFO
Kent
Harper,
has
been
working
on
over
the
last
couple
of
months
and
will,
through
the
next
few
months,
is
a
long
as
a
five-year
financial
plan
and
also
developing
budget
projections,
along
with
that,
so
hope
to
be
able
to
present
that
later
in
the
fall,
but
also
wanted
to
give
you
an
update
on
that
funding
diversification
and
where
we
landed
with
the
legislature
this
last
legislative
session.
So
we
did
work
in
full
Earnest
to
try
and
move
forward
the
legislation
to
introduce
a
hotel
motel
at
tax
for
Transit.
C
It
would
be
a
and
that
would
have
been
Statewide
for
any
transit
system.
We
continue
to
have
support
with
the
Senate,
where
we
had
the
year
before,
but
weren't
able
to
make
a
lot
of
progress
with
the
house
on
that.
However,
we
were
able
to
work
with
the
house
on
establishing
a
funding
advisory
committee
that
would
study
funding
for
Dart,
specifically
over
the
course
of
the
next
several
months,
with
a
study
being
complete
by
the
end
of
December,
in
line
with
the
next
legislative
session.
C
Member
Dart
will
be
making
their
appointment
here,
probably
at
their
August
meeting,
and
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
kick
that
study
off
here
in
the
in
August,
with
the
hope
of
concluding
that
by
by
the
end
of
December,
so
stay
tuned
on.
Where
that
that
takes
us,
we
have
sent
them
all
of
the
documentation
and
study
reports
from
when
the
partnership
did
the
funding
study
back
a
few
years
ago,
and
so
hopefully
they
will.
They
will
be
able
to
utilize
that
information.
F
C
We
have
seen
a
a
an
uptick
in
ridership.
We
also
had
a
one
dollar
Fair
promotion
in
the
months
of
April,
May
and
June,
which
also
helped
to
contribute
to
that
as
well
and
remind
people
that
we're
here,
particularly
since
so
many
work
patterns,
have
changed
since
the
pandemic.
F
I
I
guess
that
is
fantastic
to
hear
and
I
do
remember
the
one
dollar
fair,
I
guess
I
was
wondering
if
the
cost
had
increased
for
you
as
well.
So.
C
C
F
And
sorry:
yeah,
okay,
going
back
to
your
previous
Point!
Is
there
any
kind
of
planned
marketing
or
advertising
or
besides
you
know
the
one
dollar
Fair
program
beyond
that
of
saying,
like
hey
gas,
is
high
ride
the
bus.
C
We've
done
a
little
bit
of
that
you've.
Also
we've
have
a
new
marketing
campaign
out
and
that
you
may
have
seen
some
of
the
sidewalk
stencils
we've
been
able
to
work
with
the
city
on.
C
Advertising,
that's
really
focused
at
the
Gen
Z
generation,
and
also
some
of
our
other
programs
as
well.
Cool.
D
Thank
you
so
Elizabeth
can
you
go
back
one
slide
in
in
general,
the
property
tax
formula?
If,
if
we
don't
change
that,
are
we
stable
going
forward
the
next
five
years
or
do
you
see
a
levy
increase
for
the
city
of
Des
Moines
for
other
communities
of
where
are
we
at
long
term
looking
at?
If
we
don't
do
any
type
of
different
funding.
C
I
think
that
is
where
it
gets
a
little
bit
trickier
if
we're
not
able
to
identify
another
Revenue
source
to
offset
property
taxes.
Just
given
the
new
formula
that
had
been
adopted
by
the
commission,
that
kind
of
better
Works
to
a
better
align
the
level
of
service
and
the
amount
each
Community
pays
going
forward.
So.
E
I
mean
you
might
recall
like
when
we,
when
the
Kim,
when
this
was
presented,
the
position
that
we
took
as
a
city
is
that
we
were
going
to
help
for
the
first
three
years,
provided
that
the
commission
make
funding
diversification
a
a
priority
because
we're
at
we're
at
our
Levy
cap.
We
used
money
from
the
park
and
ride
to
make
up
the
difference
and
help
implement
this.
C
Well,
they're
they're
the
legislation.
C
E
And
just
as
a
reminder,
I
mean
the
proposed
solution
that
that
well,
one
of
the
proposed
Solutions
is
dark,
was
I,
think
flexible
in
terms
of
solutions,
but
did
get
included,
not
this
session,
but
the
session
before
in
both
the
governor
and
the
Senate's
final
budget
negotiations,
it
just
didn't
make
it
through
the
house
so
we're
not
starting
from
scratch.
The
committee's,
not
starting
from
scratch
they've
been
significant
efforts
to
educate
legislators
on
this.
The
question
is:
what
what
do
we
need
to
do
both
from
a
dark
perspective
and
a
member
Community
perspective?
D
So
do
you
do
you
have
an
example
of
of
how
the
funding
is
going
to
be
different
or
what
you're
recommending
that
senators
and
legislators
and
the
governors
the
governor
looks
at
do
we?
Do
we
have
an
example
of
what
we're
trying
to
get
past
well.
C
We
have
been
working
on
the
the
hotel
motel
tax
and
had
been
for
the
last
couple
of
years.
I
I
didn't
bring
those
slides,
but
maybe
it.
C
We
can
can
maybe
have
a
supplemental
discussion
on
that.
If
that
would
be
helpful,
it's
probably
well
past
yeah.
D
If
that's
what
you
want
to
do
or
another
Workshop
presentation,
because
I
I
think
that's
as
important
as
benches
and
and
shelters
and
and
things
I
mean,
we've
got
to
know
how
we're
going
to
fund
this
long
term
without
I
mean
because
we're
at
our
cap
we've
made
our
agreement
and
I
understand.
Other
communities
feel
like
that.
We
have
the
most
service
and
I
understand
where
they're
coming
from,
but
we
still
have
to
figure
out
a
long-term
solution,
and
so,
if
we
can
have
that
information
that
would
be
really
important.
Yeah.
C
Most
definitely,
and
and
again
you
know,
as
the
committee
Works
through
the
study
I
don't
know,
tax
will
will.
H
L
D
Could
be
but
you're
going
to
give
them
you're
going
to
give
them
recommendations
of
how
you
feel
like
as
as
an
organization
how
it
should
be
funded
in
like
in
other
communities.
So
I
guess
I'd
like
to
know
what
your
recommendations
other
than
hotel
motel
are
going
to
be
and
what
the
commissions
recommendations
are
yep.
F
E
I
mean
one
of
the
things
Joe.
If
you
remember,
we
asked
we
asked
the
commission
to
be
flexible
so
that
it
wasn't
just
one
one
funding
option:
I
mean
I,
think
you
know
everything
is
on
the
table
from
hotel.
Motel
they've
looked
at
what
what
it
would
be
if
there
was
a
rental
car
excise
tax,
there's
a
whole
range
of
range
of
options.
E
E
Right
one
of
the
challenges
is,
we
need
to
convince
all
right.
Whatever
the
house
caucus
looks
like
in
the
Senate
caucus,
I
mean
we
need
to
keep
them
engaged
and
invested,
but
we
need
to
convince
that
caucus
and
there
might
be,
at
least
in
the
past,
the
persuadable
folks
and
the
folks
in
the
Republican
caucus
are
not
the
members
from
Des
Moines,
and
so
it
has
actually
been
nice
to
have
actually
up
there
advocating,
and
that
is
part
of
it.
I
mean
I.
E
A
One
quick
follow-up:
you
earlier
mentioned
Ed
a
question:
what
the
differential
was
in
the
cost
between
the
electric
buses
and
the
usual
I
believe
you
said
it's
double
just.
C
A
C
We
are
experiencing
experiencing
less
the
the
challenges
is
that
some
of
our
sometimes
the
other
cost
component
that
you
factor
in
there
is
that
you
need
sometimes
two
vehicles
in
order
to
do
the
work
of
one
because
of
the
the
range
associated
with
it.
And
so
those
are
some
other
factors
that,
as
we
think
about
that.
A
I
understand,
and
is
you
and
I
have
discussed
way
back
when
I
would
like
to
see
it
switch
from
continuing
to
purses
all
those
diesel
buses
and
and
get
on
the
stuff?
That's
powered
renewably
yeah.
C
And
one
of
the
things
we've
we've
been
looking
at
is
also
hydrogen
fuel
cells,
because
you
do
get
the
extended
range,
they
they're
pretty
much
an
electric
bus
with
just
a
it's.
The
hydrogen
is
a
range
extender
associated
with
it,
except.
F
F
Else
I
had
a
on
that
topic.
Sorry,
on
that
topic,
I
was
wondering,
is
the
life
cycle
of
the
bus
about
the
same
for
electric
and
Diesel
okay,
and
then
sorry
I'm
a
little
distracted.
Sorry
going
off
of
of
of
that
when
we're
talking
about
needing
two
buses
to
the
job
of
one.
Is
that
something
that's
going
to
be
taken
care
of
with
future
improvements
in
how
electric
vehicles
are
run
or
additionally?
F
Is
that
something
where
a
different
system
like
say
like
a
trolley
bus
system
where,
like
there
is
electric
on
the
line
that
buses
could
come
on
and
off
of,
would
extend
that
service
time?
Yeah.
C
And
part
of
the
reason
why
we're
doing
the
pilot
with
the
electric
buses
is
to
understand
kind
of
what
the
capability
is,
what
the
operational
impacts
are,
so
we
haven't
we're
still
working
through.
Some
of
that.
As
to
whether
you
know,
electric
here
in
the
short
term
is
still
is
the
right
thing
to
continue
with
or
whether
we
look
at
some
other
Technologies,
as
we
plan
for
the
Future
Okay.
F
C
The
you'll
a
lot
of
more
more
life,
the
the
challenge
that
we
have
in
our
in
our
environment
is
just
the
differential
that
you
get
in
range
from
the
summer
to
the
winter
and
how
to
compensate
for
that
gotcha.
A
All
right,
let's
move
right
ahead
to
the
WRA
industrial
surcharge,
changes.
M
M
Council
members,
my
name
is
Scott
Hutchins
I'm,
the
WRA
director
and
assistant
Public
Works
director
I
have
Larry
here
is
with
me
here
he's
the
treatment
manager,
and
this
is
a
kind
of
a
thank
you
Lauren.
This
is
kind
of
a
two-pronged
presentation
talking
about
the
industrial
surcharge
and
how
that
relates
into
our
ordinance
changes.
M
So
this
it's
been
a
long
time
since
we've
updated
our
rates
that
pretty
much
pertain
to
the
industrial
folks
that
that
have
sewage
come
to
our
treatment
plan.
It's
been
over
20
years
since
we've
updated
this
and
for
various
reasons
this
is
before
my
tenure
and
the
reason
they
wanted
to
do
that
are
waited
so
long
is
there
was
a
lot
of
changes
out
at
the
treatment
plant,
so
we
wanted
to
incorporate
everything.
M
So
what
this
does
is
it
takes
what
it
costs
for
us
to
run
the
treatment
plan
and
then
divvies
it
up
to
amongst
the
industrial
plant
or
the
industrial
users
that
contribute
to
our
treatment
plant,
because
it
costs
more
to
those
heavy
loads
that
come
to
our
treatment
plan.
It's
more
for
them
to
it,
costs
more
for
us
to
treat
that
waste.
So
I
have
a
short
presentation
here
that
I'll
go
through
so
oops.
M
But
there
we
go
so
this
is
just
about
what
the
reason
why
we
did.
The
rate
study
is
to
provide
an
equitable
distribution
of
treatment,
industrial
treatment
costs
to
everybody
and
our
hallways
users.
So
who
is
this
going
to
affect?
It
really
doesn't
affect
individual
households
or
residential
users?
The
rate
payers
themselves,
the
the
small
individual
household
that
doesn't
affect
those.
M
What
this
does
affect
is
our
local
Industries
and
throughout
the
wa,
and
if
you're,
in
an
industry
that
has
a
surcharge,
what
meets
means
that
you
have
additional
things
that
go
into
the
into
the
waste
loading
and
cause
us
to
more
money
to
to
to
do
that.
So
there's
only
29
in
the
whole
metro
area
not
and
there's
21
in
Des
Moines,
21
Industries
in
Des
Moines-
that
do
that,
so
it
does
affect
the
local
restaurants
a
little
bit.
M
We've
actually
done
some
things
where
we're
not
going
to
charge
them
for
inspections,
because
we
can
recoup
those
costs
other
ways,
and
then
we
have
local
and
Regional
haulers
that
come
out
to
the
treatment
plant.
We
have
a
lot
of
Industrial
Waste
that
comes
into
the
treatment
plant,
not
through
the
pipeline,
but
by
tanker
trucks
and
here's
a
map
showing
all
the
places
where
we've
actually
truck
in
Industrial
Waste
from
around
the
you
know,
Iowa
and
even
some
of
the
neighboring
states.
M
So
all
those
folks
come
and
dump
their
Industrial
Waste
here
at
us,
and
we
get
revenue
for
that.
We
generated
between
about
two
and
a
half
and
three
million
dollars
worth
of
Revenue
just
from
Industrial
Waste
loadings,
and
it
actually
helps
us
produce
some
gas
as
well.
As
you
probably
are
aware
of
so
like
I
said,
this
is
the
list
the
29.
This
is
the
entire
list
of
people
that
are
affected
directly
by
this,
these
surcharges.
So
it's
all
these
major
industries
around
the
around
the
the
Metro.
M
You
know
here
in
Des,
Moines,
there's
21,
you
have
ADM
there.
You
have
darling,
which
is
actually
one
of
the
bigger
ones
that
actually
contribute
to
that
loading.
So
this
was
just
a
list
of
all
those,
and
this
is
who's
affected
directly
by
these.
These
rate
increases.
M
And
to
show
you
here,
this
is
bod,
that's
biochemical
oxygen
demand,
TSS
is
a
total
suspended,
solids
tkn
is,
is
nitrogen
and
O,
and
G
is
oil
and
oil
and
grease.
So
these
are
the
current
rates.
The
current
rates
there
on
the
left
and
the
right
side
is
what
we
propose
and
but
we're
going
to
do
a
gradual
increase
over
three
years.
We're
not
going
to
just
increase
them
all
at
once,
and
so
this
next
slide.
This
next
is
a
a
typical
industry,
and
this
is
kind
of
like
what
darling
would
do.
M
So
this
is
just
showing
what
the
new
rates
and
the
old
rates
how
much
is
going
to
increase
them.
But
what
has
happened?
You
know
that
looks
significant
and
it
is,
but
in
the
past
the
cost
to
run
the
treatment
plan
has
been
the
cost
to
run
the
treatment
plant,
so
these
folks
really
haven't
been
paying
their
fair
share
for
a
while
until
we
got
this
rate
study
done.
So
this
shifts
some
of
the
costs
to
run
the
treatment
plant
to
the
people
that
are
actually
increasing
those
costs.
So
that's
what
this
is
doing.
M
It's
actually
getting
it
more
Equitable
for
everybody
that
uses
the
treatment
plant,
the
people
that
use
the
treatment
plant
the
most
and
have
the
most
loading
they
should
pay
their
fair
share
and
that's
what
this
is
doing.
Over
the
years,
like
I
said,
it's
been
20
years,
almost
20
years
since
we've
increased
these
rates
on
the
industrial
surcharging.
M
So
this
is
just
showing
how
we're
going
to
slowly
increase
the
rates.
We're
going
to
step
it
in
on
October
1st,
and
let
me
step
back
I
guess:
I
can
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
process
as
far
as
the
WRA
goes
as
far
as
this
ordinance,
but
I'll
do
that
when
we
get
into
ordinance
changes.
But
this
is
how
we're
going
to
step
in
the
increases.
Like
you
said,
it's
going
to
be
gradual
and
then
after
July
1
of
2025
we
put
in
the
ordinance.
M
So
we
can
increase
the
rates
by
two
percent.
We
never
had
any
escalation
feature
in
the
ordinance
before
so
we're
going
to
have
it.
So
we
don't
have
to
continue
to
bring
it
back
to
the
communities
and
we
can
increase
the
rates
at
about
two
percent
which
right
now,
that's
not
the
CPI.
Obviously,
so
it's
inflation
has
been
a
lot
higher
than
that.
So.
M
So
now
I'm
going
to
talk
about
the
actual,
so
the
rate
study
we
had
to
do
that
first,
to
figure
out
how
much
we
should
increase
the
rates
and
then
incorporate
it
into
the
ordinance.
And
so
what
happened
is
this
ordinance
was
working
through
with
with
Larry
and
his
folks
and
the
attorneys
here
at
the
city
of
Des
Moines
and
everybody
involved
to
to
revamp
the
ordinance.
So
the
WRA
is
made
up
of
18-member
communities,
Des
Moines
being
what
the
largest
one.
So
the
wary
board
went
through.
M
We
went
through
a
process
with
the
technical
committee
and
going
through
and
making
these
changes,
and
then
the
WRA
board
approved
these
ordinance
changes
and
now
it's
the
responsibility
of
the
18-member
communities
to
go
through
and
approve
it
on
their
ordinance
on
their
individual
local
ordinances.
And
that's
what
we're
doing
now.
M
So
everybody
around
the
Metro
is
adopting
these
same
ordinance,
changes
that
would
have
been
recommended
by
the
board
and
we
recommended
those
a
couple
months
ago,
as
several
of
you
are
on
the
wa
board,
went
through
and
did
some
presentations
and
approve
those
and
then
recommend
that
those
go
out
to
the
individual
communities.
M
So
what
we
have
is
of
several
there's,
you
know
the
main
thing
for
doing
this
is
to
increase
the
industrial
surcharge
rates
and
fees
and
then
there's
some
other
minor
changes
that
this
helps
us
do
our
our
business
and
then
also
gives
us
a
little
bit
more
protection
as
far
as
bonding
and
gives
me
the
rate
as
a
wa
director
a
little
bit
more
leeway
to
enforce
payment
and
that
those
sort
of
things,
because
in
the
past
we've
had
some
industries
that
have
not
paid
the
way
they
should
have,
and
they
didn't
have
a
bond.
M
So
we
couldn't
recoup
those
costs.
So
this
gives
us
a
mechanism
that
we
can
recoup
some
of
those
costs.
This
is
just
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
quickly.
These
are
some
of
the
definitions
that
we
changed.
Some
of
the
definitions
and
then
also
Grimes,
becomes
a
WRA
member
community,
so
we
had
to
add
Grimes
in
July.
M
One
Grimes
actually
became
a
member
of
the
WRA
th,
so
this
is
some
of
the
fees,
so
the
fees
for
you
know
permit
violations
have
gone
up
from
fifty
dollars
to
a
hundred
dollars,
so
those
have
never
been
changed
over
the
last
20
years
or
trip
charges
if
we
have
to
send
our
crews
out
for
if
they
want
to
go
out
and
see
something
or
call
it
out,
we've
increased
that
and
then
also
the
one
of
the
bigger
ones
is.
The
annual
permit
fee
went
from
a
thousand
dollars
to
fifteen
hundred
dollars.
M
Now,
if
you,
you
know,
do
a
percentage
over
20
years,
you
probably
get
up
to
close
to
that
fifteen
hundred
dollars
as
far
as
inflation
rate.
So
we've
never
done
that
before
increase
those
fees.
So
it's
time
to
increase
those
fees,
so
we
can
recoup
the
cost.
That
requires
to
run
this
program
and
then
one
of
the
big
things
is
inspection
fees.
M
This
is
where,
if
we
go
out
and
inspect
individual
restaurants,
we're
waiving
those
fees
or
not
waving
those
fees,
those
fees
have
gone
down
to
zero
and
the
reason
for
that
is
we
recoup
those
costs
through
getting
the
flow
and
bringing
that
that
material
to
the
treatment
plant
and
getting
it
through
the
the
surcharging.
So
we
have,
and
we've
had
a
lot
of
trouble,
sometimes
collecting
those
fees
because
they're
so
small
fifty
dollars,
it's
not
really
worth
going
to
a
collection
agency
and
going
through
all
the
time
and
effort.
M
If
somebody
doesn't
pay,
it
just
takes
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
to
get
those
and
it's
better
to
recoup
the
costs
in
some
other
fashion.
Could.
F
You
clarify
what
sampling
events
are
on
this
slide.
Excuse
me,
the
sampling
events.
M
F
And
then
all
of
these
things
here,
you
said
you
were
taking
it
off
for
like
restaurants,
but
everything
else.
It's
like
these.
It's
not
average
people.
It's
like
businesses
that
are
creating
lots
of
waste.
Okay,
individual.
M
M
And
then
one
of
the
things
that
gives
us
an
opportunity
for
me
to
like
I,
said
to
have
an
enforcement
and
require
people
to
have
bonds,
and
so
we
can
recoup
some
of
those
costs.
We've
had
problems
with
with
that
and
plus.
So
it
gives
me
the
opportunity
to
do
that
going
forward.
M
And
one
of
the
things
we
stopped
doing
is:
if
you're
a
restaurant
owner,
you
could
actually
out
of
the
out
of
the
2200
restaurants
around
the
Metro
33
of
them
had
where
they
could
clean
their
own
grease
traps,
and
we've
had
trouble
with
people
doing
that
because
you
become
certified,
but
people
come
and
go,
and
so
now
we're
requiring
that
they
actually
have
to
have
an
outside
vendor
come
in
and
do
it
because
of
the
33
out
of
33
out
of
2200,
were
the
ones
still
doing
it,
but
we
still
had
people
that
were
only
about
18
were
ready.
M
M
And
then
here's
the
bonding,
but
before
we
we
didn't
require
a
large
bond
for
some
of
these
people.
That
would
bring
10
thousands
of
dollars,
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
worth
of
all
waste
to
our
facility
and
if
they
went
defunct
or
couldn't
pay
or
something
that
that
there
was
no
mechanism
to
go
back
and
we'd
had
to
use,
do
a
civil
penalties
and
try
to
go
back
through
the
court
system
to
get
that
and
it
became
a
real
challenge
for
us.
M
F
Can
I
ask
it
might
be
going
backward
a
little
bit,
but
the
surcharge
is.
How
do
you
determine
pound
of
pollutant?
Is
it
just?
You
do
regular
testing?
So
then
you
know
who
to
surcharge
yeah.
It's
just
regular
testing
through
their.
M
And
that's
all
I
have.
This
is
going
to
be
on
the
council
agenda
tonight
and
we're
we're
requesting
that
the
waive
the
the
second
third
reading,
like
I
said
this
has
all
gone
through
the
wa
board
and
been
vetted
and
Joe's
been
and
Linda,
and
the
mayor
has
been
involved
in
this
as
well
through
the
wa
so
and
everybody
else
I
think
we
might
be
the
first
one.
One
might
be
one
of
the
first
ones,
but
everybody
else
is
queuing
this
up
in
their
communities
to
get
it
approved
quickly.
D
Scott
just
to
appreciate
you
bringing
it
Forward
I
think
this
has
been
a
long
time
coming.
So
thank
you
for
for
making
these
changes,
and
no
problem
obviously
needs
to
be
done.
I
mean
waiting
that
long
to
do
something
like
that
yeah.
So
thank
you.
You're
welcome.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
F
Sorry
one
additional
question,
and
maybe
Joe
would
answer
this
or
maybe
maybe
you
would
be
able
to
answer
this,
but
was
it
considered?
You
were
talking
about
the
increase
in
two
percent?
Was
it
considered
to
make
that
dependent
on
inflation
rates
and
increasing
by
the
inflation
rate,
or
was
it
just
discussed
at
two
percent?
We.
M
Did
we
didn't
actually
go
by
the
inflation
rate?
We
just
put
it
at
two
percent.
It
was
you
know
we,
it
was
Zero,
it's
something
we
might
be
able
to
look
back
on
as
things
go
and
and
when
we
were
putting
this
together,
inflation
wasn't
going
crazy
like
it
is
now.
You
know
two
or
three
was
pretty
much
the
the
average,
but
now
that
it's
going,
it
might
be
something
we'll
have
to
look
at
in
the
future
fantastic.
A
I
Good
morning,
Council
and
mayor
Pam,
Cooksey
assistant
city
manager,
bringing
an
item
that
has
been
on
our
agenda
in
our
legislative
priorities
for
the
last
30
years,
so
primarily
the
last
five
to
ten.
But
it's
been
out
there
for
30
years
in
1987
there
was
an
agreement
with
the
Corps
of
Engineers
to
relocate
the
levy
along
the
wastewater
treatment
facility.
I
All
that
agreement
did
was
essentially
just
move.
The
outline
of
the
levy,
for
whatever
reason
the
transactions
associated
with
that
and
that
agreement
never
were
followed
through
I
guess
is
the
best
way
to
explain
it
and
as
that,
the
core
was
actually
saying
that
Levy
did
not
exist
so
by
working
with
staff,
legal
Public,
Works,
WRA
engineering
and
a
lot
of
different
core
staff,
as
well
as
the
city
manager's
office,
to
work
with
the
Congressional
Delegation,
the
easiest
fix
and
the
mayor
of
course.
I
Yes,
yeah,
the
easiest
fix
was
a
legislative
fix,
so
the
Congressional
Delegation
can
request
drafting
services
from
the
Corps
of
Engineers.
So
that's
what
we
worked
on
with
Senator
ernst's
office.
Through
that
process,
we
were
able
to
get
legislation
drafted
that
essentially
transfers
a
portion
of
the
federal
Levy
to
be
part
of
the
city
of
Des,
Moines
Levy,
and
that's
pretty
much
the
the
simple
the
simplest
way
to
explain
it.
The
estimated
cost
for
the
work
to
do
that
with
the
real
estate
transactions
and
all
will
be
less
than
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
I
F
I
Yep,
that's
the
Corps
of
Engineers
Lobby,
here's
the
graphic
showing
the
actual
property
that
has
the
easements
on
it,
for
either
Flowage
or
Levy
or
whatever
it
may
be.
The
linear
part
of
it
will
basically
transfer
to
the
city
as
part
of
the
levy
and
it's
an
easement.
The
WRA
actually
owns
the
land
and
was
transferred
to
the
WRA
in
early
2000s,
the
portion
that
covers
part
of
the
plant.
That's
a
Flowage
easement
that
we've
been
trying
to
get
the
Corps
of
Engineers
to
release
for
years.
It
just
hasn't
happened
through
this
transaction.
I
It
will
happen,
so
there'll
no
longer
be
anything
on
record,
but
giving
them
the
right
to
flood
that
area
yeah
over
at
the
beginning,
when
this
Levy
was
relocated,
the
city
of
Des
Moines
was
required
as
part
of
that
transaction
to
continue
maintenance,
the
routine
daily
maintenance
of
the
levy
through
delineation
of
work,
and
all
part
of
that
work
is
done
by
WRA
staff
because
of
the
proximity
to
the
plant.
Obviously,
the
proposal
would
be
to
continue
those
obligations
at
the
same
rate
that
they've
been
occurring.
I
It'll,
just
will
need
to
formalize
that
into
an
agreement
to
satisfy
the
core
that
it's
a
city
responsibility,
but
it's
actually
being
accomplished
by
the
adjacent
property
owner,
which
is
the
WRA.
The
city
is
overall
responsible
for
the
levy,
the
levy.
If
there
were
a
catastrophic,
catastrophic
failure
or
some
type
of
event,
we
would
be
eligible
for
the
pl
8499
program,
where
the
federal
government
helps
fund,
that
replacement
or
that
repair
and
all
the
routine
maintenance
will
be
put
in
agreement
with
the
WR
in
the
city.
I
It
actually
has
to
pass
the
Congress
first,
so
it's
no,
the
both
I'm
sorry,
it's
kind
of
skipped
over
that
the
the
legislation
the
exact
language
was
put
in
both
the
house
and
the
Senate
versions
of
Florida.
It
was
passed
by
the
house.
It's
under
consideration
that
the
Senate
that
has
not
been
voted
on
yet
when.
H
I
I
I
I
Alone
stand
alone,
so
our
next
step,
as
soon
as
it
passes
and
gets
signed
by
the
president
will
have
an
mou
or
an
MOA
between
the
city
and
the
Corps.
In
order
to
document
responsibilities,
that's
accomplishing
the
surveys
and
the
real
estate
documents
to
make
these
transactions
go
through
the
other
part
of
it
will
be
it's
getting
a
partnership
agreement
with
the
corps
that
just
changes
the
limits
of
what
the
dm1
is
that
that
one
will
be
pretty
simple.
It's
just
making
sure
we
have
all
the
assurances
in
place
for
that
section.
I
I
D
Had
said
Pentagon
one
year
that
we
were
meeting
with
the
colonel,
didn't
we
in
multiple
years
that
we've
gone
on
the
partnership.
D
I
mean
it
was
always
and
they'd
always
give
us
the
same
answer
that
yes,
it
was
getting
taken
care
of,
and
then
next
year
we'd.
B
Hopefully,
this
will
fix
it
so
Council,
mayor
and
Pam.
The
reason
for
these
changes
is
so
that
we
can
make
the
improvements
that
are
necessary
to
the
levy
system
and
that
Levy
system,
as
you've
heard
many
a
times,
is
dependent
on
every
segment
doing
what
it
needs
to
do,
and
so
having
this
in
place
over
the
next
six
to
nine
months
allows
us
to
move
forward
with
our
CIP
that
late
in
the
calendar
next
year.
A
B
I
Point
we're
working
on
an
update
right
now,
because
we
have
a
b
and
c
or
a
done.
B
is
underway.
C's
bidding
this
fall
so
we'll
have
an
update
in
the
next
couple
months
to
present.
A
Good
job
Tim,
thank
you.
Unless
anybody
has
anything
else,
we'll
see
you
back
here.
No
is
there
any
pre-meeting
this
evening,
there's
no
session,
but
there's
a
housing
meeting
all
right,
so
we'll
see
everybody
4,
30,
4,
45,
ish
right
here,
4.