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From YouTube: 5-30-23 City Council special meeting & work session
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Des Moines City Council special meeting and morning work session on Tuesday, May 30, 2023.
View the agendas: https://DSM.city/CouncilMeetings
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A
D
If
I
could
thank
you
mayor
and
council
members,
just
just
to
be
aware,
as
you
read
through
the
resolution,
you'll
see
that
this
gives
us
more
time
in
our
due
diligence
processes.
This
is
not
a
final
answer
yet
on
the
actual
purchase
and
we
do
have
a
presentation
being
prepared
to
come
to
you
and
talk
through
all
the
space
needs
and
and
options
for
solving
those.
E
A
F
Quick
comment
and
I
know:
I
asked
some
questions
about
about
this
piece.
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
and
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
thought
given
to
including
the
charging
in
at
City
facilities
that
are
not
in
the
core
downtown
I
do
want
to
weigh
at
least
one
of
them
like
the
libraries,
the
community
centers
make
a
ton
of
sense.
I
had
questions
just
comparing
charging
it
MSC
versus
additional
charging
capacity
at
some
of
our
parking
lots
or
parking
ramps.
F
Downtown,
which
I
know
are,
are
full
at
least
some
of
the
time
and
getting
good
use
and
just
making
sure
that
we're
thinking
about
when
it's
appropriate
to
expand
there
and
what
we'll
get
the
the
most
use,
because
there
might
be
some
places
that
would
get
more
use
than
than
some
of
these
locations
and
I
recognize
their
additional
grant
opportunities
and
rounds.
But
I
hope
we.
We
have
the
data
to
support
where
we're
going,
rather
than
purely
just
expansion
to
areas
not
currently,
sir.
F
A
Item
five
is
a
sport
for
the
workforce.
Housing
tax
credit
benefit
application
to
be
submitted
to
the
Iowa
Economic
Development
Authority
by
Hubble
realty
company
for
a
project;
constructing
12
townhouse
housing
units,
south
of
Murphy
Street
between
Southwest,
eight
and
Southwest,
9th
Street,
Council,
Communication
number
23-273.
C
C
A
D
Thank
you
mayor
and
council
members.
We
have
a
two-part
conversation
this
morning,
starting
with
our
our
typical
annual
review
of
the
CIP
and
the
capital
planning.
That's
coming
forward.
I
will
celebrate
a
little
bit
of
what's
just
recently
been
accomplished
in
these
conversations
as
well,
and
then
the
second
part
I'll
make
comments
before
we
get
started
on
that
one
as
well.
So
with
that
I've
got
Steve
here
to
present.
Thank
you,
Steve
all
right.
H
Thank
you,
honorable
mayor
members,
city
council.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
My
name
is
Steve
neighbor,
Des,
Moines
resident
and
Des
Moines
city
engineer
here
to
give
an
update
on
what
our
you
all
and
our
residents
will
will
be
seeing
in
in
terms
of
construction
this
coming
year,
which
is
a
lot
and
so
we're
going
to
cover
a
number
of
things:
everything
from
Bridges
to
storm
water
improvements
to
streets,
our
sewer
separation,
update
sidewalks,
where
we're
spending
low
clocks
and
sales
and
service
tax.
H
I
do
want
to
remind
folks
that
are
watching
that
we
do
write
on
our
our
city
webpage.dsm.city.
We
do
have
a
a
link
to
projects
map
and,
if
folks
would
like
to
click
on
that
projects
map
they
can
type
in
their
address,
and
actually
it's
also
located
on
the
engineering
page.
If
you
want
to
go
that
route
as
well,
but
folks
can
type
in
their
address
and
then
it'll
zoom
into
that
location,
it's
a
GIS
built
by
RIT
it
department
and
really
cool
tool,
links
to
our
project
database.
H
H
H
As
of
today
we're
down
to
three:
that's
incredible
progress,
the
three
remaining
all
have
funding
programmed
toward
them.
So
and
again
it
does
not
mean
it's.
The
bridges
are
unsafe,
but
that's
just
that
was
a
a
a
a
benchmark
that
that
our
Bridge
inspection
staff
use
when
they
do
inspections
so
incredible
progress.
There
folks
can
see
the
list
of
bridge
images
that
have
been
completed
over
the
past
few
years
and
so
quite
a
few
large
ones
on
that
list
as
well.
H
We
have,
we
have
zero
load
posted
Bridges.
Another
thing
to
be
proud
of:
we've
got
a
number
of
bridges
that
are
are
in
the
works
or
or
or
are
planned
for
construction,
most
notably
the
you
probably
saw
our
communication
staff
released
some
great
news
this
past
week
about
Second
Avenue,
the
Second
Avenue
project
is
a
few
months
ahead
of
where
we
the
schedule
and
so
opening
that
up
and
so
that
project
again,
the
full
replacement
of
the
bridge
over
Birdland
drive
as
well
as
since
we
were
there.
H
We
rehabilitated
the
the
bridge
over
the
Des
Moines
River,
enhanced
the
cross
section
itself,
providing
a
bike
trail
on
the
east
side
and
a
sidewalk
on
the
west
side
as
well.
As
you
know,
getting
a
full
new.
You
know
improved
Bridges,
so
you
can
see
the
list
of
what's
what's
what's
upcoming,
the
viaduct
Southwest
State
Southwest,
9th
Guthrie
avenue
bridge
over
the
Union
Pacific
Railroad,
as
well
as
we
got
Walnut
Street
the
last.
The
downtown
bridge
and
then
we've
got
Fleur
Drive
over
the
Raccoon
River,
so.
H
H
Talk
a
little
more
about
one
of
the
projects
on
that
list:
Walnut
Street
Bridge,
the
city
has
secured
3.4
million
in
federal
funds
to
toward
that
replacement.
We've
also
are,
are
almost
fully
complete
with
the
design
of
that
replacement.
The
plan
was
to
to
replace
it
similar
to
the
bridges,
Upstream,
Grand
and
Locust,
and
so
we've
been
asked
to
put
together
some
data.
There
has
been
some
questions
about
alternatives
for
that
bridge.
H
You
can
see
on
the
left
there
Walnut
Street
Bridge,
it
is
one
of
our
it
does.
It
carries
three
to
five
thousand
Vehicles
a
day.
It
also
carries
a
number
of
utility
companies
that
use
the
bridge
for
the
cross.
It's
across
the
river
there.
There
are
88
parking
spaces
today
with
the
new
design.
The
new
design
would
reconfigure
the
bridge
some
to
to
still
provide
one
lane
of
traffic
in
each
Direction,
but
also
provide
buffered
bike
Lanes.
H
H
Here's
over
on
the
right
is
a
summary
of
of
of
the
cost
estimates
for
those
the
the
current
cost
for
replacement
is
16
million
and
that's
for
the
bridge
because
we're
doing
the
bridge.
We
would
also
look
at
doing
the
river
wall
balanced
thread
replacement,
which
is
about
3
million
and,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
3.4
million
in
federal
funds
available.
We
were
asked
to
look
at
some
Alternatives.
H
Our
Bridge
Engineers
estimated
that
if
we
did
a
repair,
if
we
want
to
call
it
a
10
to
15
year,
repair,
Pat
doing
structural
patching
that
that
would
cost
about
five
million.
And
then
we
were
asked
about
a
pedestrian
bridge.
The
15
million,
the
estimate
they
came
up
with
was
basically
basically
modifying
the
existing
bridge
and
so
just
to
be
clear
here
and
so
so
what
a
bridge
Engineers
say
is
The
Pedestrian
loadings
can
be
that
are,
are
comparable
can
be
comparable
to
traffic
loadings.
H
In
the
sake
of,
if
you
get
large
events
on
there,
however,
there
could
be
all
terms
we
could
look
into.
So
we
could
look
into
potentially
con
companies
like
contech.
Our
con
span
can
make
prefab
bridges
that
up
to
240
feet
long.
So
as
an
alternative,
we
could
maybe
modify
the
the
last
the
outside
spans
and
then
try
and
come
up
with.
H
Maybe
a
con
span
type
structure
in
the
middle
that
would
be
substantially
cheaper
than
15
Millions
when
I
talk
about
con
span,
I'm
talking
about
a
bridge
similar
to
like
what
Hubble
put
in
across
the
Raccoon
River.
So
so
again
that
could
be
substantially
cheaper
than
the
15
million.
The
15
million
is
actually,
if
we're
designed
to
sit
the
bridge
kind
of
similar
to
what
it
is
today.
You
know
yeah.
E
F
I
struggled
with
I
mean
we
assumed
that
when
you,
when
you
look
at
that
repair
option
from
a
loading
perspective,
I
mean
we
would
have
the
ability
to
limit.
If
we
made
the
Walnut
Street
Bridge
a
pedestrian-only
bridge,
you
know
like
today,
we'd
have
the
ability
to
limit
whether
or
not
there
were
large
events
there
and
we
needed
to
construct
it
for
the
same
type
of
loading,
vehicle
traffic
right.
F
H
H
Was
the
last
the
thing
that
the
thing
with
the
reason
I
say
possibly
is
because
I've
got
it,
the
the
bridges
over
in
this
area
are
prone
to
scouring,
and
so
we
would,
we
would
have
to
I'd
we'd
have
to
deal
with
that,
so
scouring,
meaning
the
movement
of
materials
around
the
foundations,
as
it
has
been
an
issue
with
with
the
bridges.
So
when
we
replace
them,
we've
been
addressing
that
and
armoring
around
the
foundations.
So
so
that's
why
I
say
you
know
that
there
could
be
some
other
factors.
H
C
C
C
I
think
you
know,
we
see
how
many
people
are
using
it
now.
I
just
think
we
have
to
be
concerned
about
how
many
people
are
going
to
be
in
this
area
in
the
next
20
years.
Yeah
as
we
build
it
all
out.
So
that's
why
I
would
say
I
think
it's
necessary,
no
matter
what
you
have
to
it
sounds
like
you
got
to
fix
the
base,
because
there's
issues
with
the
bridge
right,
yeah.
H
H
H
Yep,
the
you
know,
I
know
it
does
only
carry
when
I
say
only
three
to
five
three
to
five
thousand
Vehicles
a
day.
I
think
the
biggest
importance
in
my
mind
again,
I
I,
would
recommend
that
we
keep
it
as
functioning
as
is
to
vehicular
and
pedestrian
traffic
and
and
bicycle
traffic.
Adding
the
bicycle
facilities
is
is,
is
the
redundancy
you
know
we.
We
only
have
a
handful
of
Crossings
of
this
River.
It
is
a
continuous
East,
West,
East-West
route
and
some
from
a
redundancy
standpoint.
I
think
you
know.
H
With
the
you
know,
we
have
events
like
the
fireworks
on
the
bridges
that
occur
every
with
the
Iowa
Cubs.
We
have
races
coming
up
this
weekend,
damn
to
DSM
and
so
with.
When
you
get
events
like
that,
it's
the
redundancy
is
important,
so
you
know
we've
we've
talked
this
over
as
staff
and
that's
that's
our
our
recommendation.
So.
F
What
so?
What's
the
capacity
you
know
what
what
is
the
vehicles
per
day
on
those
and
what
what's
capacity
for
a
road
I
mean
these
are
constructed?
I
think
is
Tulane
at
this
point.
Right,
yes,
for
with
the
exception
of
MLK
court
and
Locust
and
Grand
are
all
one
lane
in
each
Direction.
What's
the
capacity
and
what's
the
vehicle
it.
H
Did
not
get
produced
a
map
that
would
maybe
show
that
better,
but
my
from
my
recollection
off
the
top
of
my
head,
the
the
Martin
of
the
Kings
Union
Parkway
bridges
are
somewhere
in
that
and
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
bigger
range.
But
it's
in
that
12
to
16
000
vehicle
range.
Today.
The
capacity
is
far
more
far
more
than
that
I
mean
it.
It
would
be.
I
mean
it's
it's,
maybe
at
60
capacity,
so
there's
a
lot
more
capacity
on
those
being
a
multi-lane
bridge.
I.
H
Think
if
I
remember
that
that
Corridor
is
designed
for
something
like
30
000
Vehicles
a
day,
and
so
it's
a
lot
a
lot
more.
The
grand
Locust
Bridges
they're
they're,
the
grand
I,
think
if
I
remember,
was
around
that
8
000
plus
Vehicles
a
day,
typically
a
two-lane
roadway
with
well.
In
this
case,
there
obviously
doesn't
need
to
be
turn
Lanes,
but
a
two-lane
roadway
handles
anywhere
from
tend
to
10
to
12
000
Vehicles
a
day
in
that
range.
F
G
So
Steve
yeah,
I
I,
know
historically,
we've
had
a
bridge
every
every
block
downtown
but
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
luxury
that
we
can
afford
with
all
the
other
needs
for
infrastructure.
So
that's
that's
what
I'm
struggling
with
and
also
the
number
of
cities
that
is
there
some
comparison
like
in
their
downtown
districts
that
have
a
bridge
every
block
for
Auto
for
auto
traffic
yeah.
So
that's
what
I'm
struggling
with
I
just
don't
know
if,
when
we
have
so
many
other
needs,
if,
if
that's
the
best
use
of
our
dollars,.
B
A
B
A
G
H
And
we
could
we
can.
We
can
compile
that
data
again.
I
want
to
you
know
the
some.
A
big
part
of
the
recommendation
is
the
redundancy
and
one
making
trying
to
make
sure
the
rivers
aren't
a
barrier,
and
so
having
more
Crossings
is
an
advantage
and
and
from
from
that
and
from
a
redundancy
standpoint.
Just
to
that
example,
I
mean
Walnut
Streets
under
construction.
So
it's
nice
that
we
have
Locust
and
ran
right
just
as
if
Locus
and
Grand
order
construction,
it's
nice
to
have
have
Walnut
so.
G
C
I
guess
within
that
information
I'd
like
to
know
about
the
base
of
the
bridge,
because
I
still
say
no
matter
what
you
have
there,
you
got
to
fix
the
base.
So
what
is
the
condition?
How
long
will
life
will
be?
And
things
like
that
which
I
think
you've
already
got
some
of
that
information,
and
we
do
have
a
couple
of
pedestrian
Bridges
already,
which
is
a
block
down
this
way.
H
The
yep
and
the
the
design
just
to
be
clear
just
so
we're
on
you
know
the
design
was
about
a
million
dollars
to
do
the
whole
engineering
aspect,
which
is
almost
done.
Obviously,
that
was
for
full
replacement.
If
we
do
anything
else,
we
would
need
to
start
over
not
start
over,
but
it'd
be
a
different
design,
whatever
that
is,
if
it's
a
pedestrian
bridge
or
a
rehab
or
and
again
the
reason
we're
recommending
the
replacement
over
the
repair
is.
E
H
H
We
would
be
looking
at
resurfacing
down
by
the
airport
to
the
South
and
the
in
the
future
after
this
project,
but
in
terms
of
full
reconstruction
I
know
this
is
going
to
be
the
media
joke,
but
it
is
the
final
reconstruction
phase
of
these
of
the
mile
and
a
half
project
that
we've
been
doing
and
so
again
phase.
Three.
H
We
are
making
some
improvements,
we're
going
to
fill
in
there's
a
lot
of
sidewalk
gaps
along
this
stretch
as
well
in
the
commercial
areas,
and
so
we're
filling
those
gaps
in
as
well
as
we
do
have
a
right
turn
lane
and
there's
some.
If
you
notice,
when
you
turn
out
of
a
HyVee
there's
some
acceleration
Lanes,
those
are
not
not
needed
and
they
make
it
more
challenging
for
pedestrians
to
cross.
H
So
we
want
to
tighten
that
area
up
a
little
bit
and
take
get
rid
of
those
if
you
call
them
acceleration
Lanes
as
well
along
that
Corridor,
so
the
utility
Works
have
been.
You
know
the
tillys
have
been
out
there
and
so
it'll
be
similar
to
the
other
side.
Where
we
tear
up
the
pavement,
you
know
say
for
the
Northbound
lanes
and
then
have
traffic
head
to
head
for
the
southbound
Lanes.
It
is
a
two-year
project,
just
like
the
other
phases
so
but
again
staging
you
know
the
road
carries
30
000
Vehicles
a
day.
H
E
H
Like
that
that
would
be
like
2025
would
be
yeah
so
the
next
year
we
would
go
and
sell
it
overlay.
The
two
inch
asphalt,
utera,
roughly
Mill
down
a
couple
inches
and
then
pave
a
new
Surface
yeah.
It
is
good
there.
There
would
be
another.
It
is
far
better
than
what
the
the
sections
we've
been
working
on,
but
there
would
be
still
some
base
repairs,
isolated
base,
repairs.
E
H
E
H
E
G
H
E
F
H
Another
quarter
that
is
is
rivaling.
Fleur
for
construction
is
Ingersoll.
This
is,
you
can
see
the
phasing
there.
This
was
there's
a
couple
components
that
go
into
this
one
one.
There
was
a
a
plan
concept
that
was
developed
by
The
Avenues.
They
hired
a
Architecture
Firm
to
to
do
a
streetscape,
revitalization
plan
and
then
also
we
had
stretches
such
as
you
know,
between
28th
and
31st,
due
to
the
poor
condition
needed
full
pavement
reconstruction.
So
so
now
we're
dealing
with
Again
full,
complete
removal
of
the
pavement.
H
We
had
some
sewers
to
get
in
there
with
our
sewer
separation
efforts
and
storm
sewers
and
and
then
also
we
got
the
streetscape
that
that
that
was
planned
as
well,
and
so
so
this
is
the
phase.
Three
is
is
finishing
up
this
year,
which
goes
to
20,
so
that
means
we'd
be
done
from
from
Martin
Luther
King,
Jr
Parkway
to
28th
Street,
and
then
the
next
phase
would
be
28
to
31st.
E
H
H
I
actually
designed
it
East
Fourth
in
my
in
in
the
Market
District,
will
be
similar
to
this.
That
working
with
the
JSC
team
for
that
concept,
so
East
Fourth
will
actually
look
similar,
although
their
their
planter
areas
like
these
are
just
normal
plantar
areas.
Their
plantar
areas
will
be
recessed
and
they'll
be
bios
biosoils,
so
yeah.
E
I,
just
I've
had
multiple
people
and
I
don't
represent
this
area,
but
just
complain
about
the
the
new
streetscape,
whether
it
be
parking,
whether
it
be
able
to
pull
out
of
a
place
and
have
to
turn
left,
and
you
can't
turn
left.
You
know
you
have
to
turn
right
because
it's
just
so
I
I,
don't
know.
I
I
think
it's
an
absolute
nightmare.
What
we
did
down
there
Tony.
B
A
I
would
just
say
that
you
should
not
only
talk
to
The
Avenues.
You
ought
to
talk
to
the
business
owners
up
and
down
there
who
are
really
concerned
about
what's
happening
to
the
parking
what's
happening
to.
As
Connie
pointed
out
what
Joe
pointed
out
circulation
going
through
their
you
know,
losing
19
parking
spaces
just
between
35th
and
38th
Street
on
the
north
side
of
the
street.
Only
you
we've
created
a
real
nightmare
for
businesses
who
I,
don't
think
were
ever
included
in
in
the
Avenues
discussion.
G
Well,
sort
of
related
I
think
that
good
news
is.
We
have
three
neighborhood
nodes
that
are
having
some
success:
Ingersoll,
dog
town
and
Highland
Park
in
Oak
Park,
and
we
should
cheer
the
success
of
the
neighborhood
nodes.
But
with
that
bring
some
parking
issues,
he
and
you
know
not
everyone's
going
to
take
a
bus
or
walk
or
bike
to
the
neighborhood
nodes.
So
we
got
to
do
something
yeah.
E
E
I
mean
that
that's
the
unfortunate
thing
I
hope
you
attract
more
people
with
the
multimodal
that
we
did
to
make
up
for
the
people
that
drive
and
won't
go
down
there
and
try
to
fight
for
a
parking
spot
or
I
mean
it's
just
it's
it's
a
nightmare
down
there
and
I'm,
not
making
it
up.
I
mean
I've
heard
it
from
multiple
people.
G
F
F
There's
lots
of
surface
Lots
on
that
stretch
of
Ingersoll
that
the
property
owners
do
not
share,
and
so
you
have
parking
that
is
crunched,
and
then
you
have
surface
lots
that
are
sitting
there
empty
patrolled
by
kroto,
and
we've
got
to
figure
out
how
to
work
collaboratively
for
the
benefit
of
of
the
whole
Corridor,
because
that's
part
of
the
solution
I
recognize
that's
not
not
all
of
the
solution,
but
they're
they're.
It's
not
that
there
is
a
lack
of
parking
in
that
area.
F
It's
that
there's
a
lack
of
sharing
some
of
that
parking
I
mean
chain
and
spoke
is
a
good
example
where
there
is
literally
a
parking,
a
parking
lot
right.
Next
to
this
new
coffee
shop
and
the
owner
of
that
parking
lot
refuses
to
work
with
the
new
owner
of
that
building
on
on
any
sort
of
negotiation
for
shared
parking.
F
That
parking
lot
sits
empty
all
the
time
and
there's
a
new
business
that
is
willing
to
pay
for
it,
but
that
owner
refuses-
and
we
have
countless
examples
of
that
on
the
corridor
that
I
mean
while,
yes,
that's
a
parking
problem.
It's
it's
also
I
mean
there's
also
other
elements
of
the
problem
that
we
need
to
work
through
and
I
think
we
can
work
through
and
find
those
Solutions.
But
it's
not
saying
that
it
is
simply
lack
of
parking
is
not
the
only
thing
that
is
at
place.
G
Or
lack
of
willingness
to
walk
two
blocks
to
a
parking
from
a
parking
place.
You
know
the
argument
that
I
can't
turn
left
well,
you
know
go
to
any
County
Seat
town
in
Iowa,
and
you
can
turn
left
just
about
any
time
of
the
day.
We
are
a
a
city
and,
and
part
of
those
issues
involve
finding
a
different
way
around.
It
might
mean
three
right
turns
when
you
can't
make
a
left
turn,
but
that
I
mean
I,
obviously
we're
hearing
a
lot
of
complaints.
E
So
so
I
councilman
I
I
appreciate
your
view
on
the
surface.
Parking
lots,
but
I
mean
you
realize
that
someone
else's
property
and
and
they
have
insurance,
that
they
have
to
pay
for
their
own
property.
And
if
someone
would
come
on
that
property
and
damage
would
be
made
or
a
shooting
would
be
done
or
some
type
of
violence,
then
that
would
go
against
that
property
owners.
Not
not
anyone
else's,
not
the
cities,
not
that's
private
property.
F
Good
solution:
there
have
been
contracts
for
shared
use
of
space
for
years
that
can
address
that
liability.
I
mean
that
that
that
is
a
solution
that
would
provide
a
lot
of
parking.
I
know
that
there
are
business
owners
who
are
willing
to
contract
with
with
folks
who
have
surface
Lots,
so
I
mean
there.
There
are.
There
are
multiple
options
that
we
have
that
have
not
been
fully
explored.
I
I
just
want
to
add
one
thing:
I
thought
my
ears
perked
up
when
you
mentioned
a
towing
company,
because
I
think
that's
an
unfair
shot
to
take
against
a
toe
company
that
coke
company
is
hired
by
that
property
owner
to
Patrol,
Those
Lots,
so
that
that
towing
company
is
doing
exactly
what
they
were
hired
for.
You
know:
we've
dealt
with
parking
lots
for
years.
These
guys
go
out
and
find
their
parking
lots.
I
I
know
we
had
this
out
and
down
in
the
East
Village
years
ago,
where
you
know
they'd
come
out
in
the
morning
and
there's
beer
bottles,
their
liquor,
bottles,
there's
all
kinds
of
stuff
in
their
parking
lots
from
people
parking
there
that
had
no
right
to
park
there,
it's
personal
property,
if
it,
if
you're,
not.
If
it
doesn't
say
you
can
park
there,
then
you
shouldn't
be
parking
there
and
it's
up
to
us
to
work
out
some
other
Solutions,
but
personal
property
rights
are
are
very
important
and
I
own
a
parking
lot
and
I.
E
And
you
know,
I
just
think
we're
very
fortunate
to
sit
up
here
with
the
gentleman
that
owns
a
business
on
the
street,
he's
giving
us
an
opinion
of
of
his
business
and
other
business
owners
that
he
speaks
to.
We
don't
take
that
seriously.
I,
don't
know
what
what
we're
doing
I
mean.
There's
a
personal
I
mean
he
has
personal
knowledge
of
what's
going
on
on
the
street,
not
to
mention
all
the
other
people
that
are
telling
us
these
things.
E
I
mean
I
it
we
have
an
issue
on
the
street
and
if
part
of
it
was
the
design
of
how
it
was
put
together
and
I'm,
not
sure
who
signed
off
on
it
or
who
made
it
all
worthwhile.
But
if
they
didn't
talk
to
the
business
owners
that
their
livelihood
is
from
the
street
and
the
traffic
I
mean
that
that's
an
issue
and
so
I
know,
we've
spent
a
ton
of
money
and
a
ton
of
time.
I,
don't
know
how
we
can
change
it
now.
E
G
H
Another
one
of
our
corridors,
University
Avenue,
looking
at
basically
the
whole
Corridor,
also
in
coordination
with
what
Windsor
Heights
is
doing.
The
road
was
a
four
to
five
Lane
Road.
Throughout
this
stretch,
between
63rd
and
and
in
25th
yeah.
The
the
this
road
typically
only
has
like
12
000
Vehicles
a
day.
So
obviously
a
four
to
five
lane
road
is
is,
is
is
way
over
over
built
and
and
so
we
we're
looking
we're
right
sizing.
H
This
Corridor
we've
already
started
this
in
2019
and
2020,
and
the
stretch
between
63rd
and
48th
Street,
and
so,
as
folks,
have
seen
the
news
you
know
anytime,
we
do
work
on.
You
know
we
are
a
city
with
older
infrastructure.
We
do,
we
do
find
things
and
so,
and
so,
as
we
were
installing
a
sewer
as
part
of
our
sewer
separation
efforts,
you
know
we.
We
had
programming
the
CIP
to
resurface
the
road.
H
We
also
have
our
sewer
separation
effort,
so
we're
putting
the
sewer
in
in
coordination
with
this
project
as
we're
digging
the
sewer
we
found
one.
Unfortunately,
a
couple
locations
where
there
were
collapse,
sanitary
sewer
segments
and
also
we
found
this
wood
structure.
It
looks
like
a
almost
like
a
small
Wood
Bridge.
H
It's
not
fully
uncovered
I,
don't
know
for
sure
what
it
is
and
what
it's
for,
but
we
just
we
do
find
stuff
when
we
do
these
projects,
and
so
that
just
happens
but
definitely
excited
about
this
project
again
converting
the
FI.
This
stretch
that's
going
on
right
now,
you
know
between
31st
and
39th
is
a
five-lane
road,
so
converting
that
to
three
lanes
again.
H
H
Is
yeah
I
appreciate
you
pointing
out
yep,
so
there
are
locations
where
one
not
only
going
down
to
the
three
lanes,
but
we
are
in
coordination
with
dart
and
doing
some
pedestrian
Crossing
improvements
where
we
actually
had
a
refuge.
So
that
way
folks
can
look
one
way
for
traffic,
get
to
The
Refuge
and
then
look
the
other
way
for
traffic,
making
it
much
easier
to
to
cross.
So
those
are
coordinated
with
the
dart
stops
along
the
quarter,
so
there'll
be
multiple
of
those
along
the
corridor
as
well.
H
I
H
H
A
C
H
So
we
we've
met
with
the
the
main
property
owner
who
owns
actually
on
properties
on
both
sides,
and
we've
had
multiple
meetings
with
them
that
that
the
cost
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
cost
issue.
We
have
those
costs.
We've
presented
those
costs
to
the
property
owner,
we've
also
looked
at.
Could
we
reroute
them?
We
had
mid-am
look
at,
could
they
route
them
to
the
north
around
the
back
side
on
the
North
side,
Through
the
Alley,
and
that
was
almost
the
same
cost
to
do
that,
and
so
so
they're.
H
E
How
come
that's
in
our
then
I
mean
that's
in
our
form-based
code
that
we
want
it
all
buried,
we're
going
to
probably
go
ahead
and
adjust
that
so
we
don't
so
when
they
come
in
for
site
plan
compliance,
we're
not
going
to
have
them
bury
the
lines
in
that.
Is
that
what
we're
going
to
try
to
do
now?
So
so
again,
here's.
H
I'll
ask
him
that
this
is
the
this
is
the
you
know
when
we
talk
about
when
we
we
scope
out
projects
right
I
mean
the
project
started
as
a
resurfacing
project.
The
the
we
had
the
sewer
work
for
the
for
one
piece
for
closest
Creek
in
one
piece
for
sewer
separation
and
then
when
we,
because
you
know
in
our
planning
efforts,
we
wanted
to
convert
the
roadway
to
three
lane
and
get
a
continuous
bicycle
facility
make
it
safer
for
Peds
across
we.
H
We
we're
doing
all
those
improvements
as
part
of
the
resurfacing
when
we
got
to
the
nodes
it
was
with
the
bus
stops
and
The
Crossings
it
it
was.
It
made
more
sense
to
do
to
pull
the
bikes
off
like
you
see
here
in
this
picture,
just
through
the
commercial
nodes,
and
so
there
is
a
little
more
work
going
on
there.
But
again
it's
it's
literally
a
a
scoping
project,
and
so
when
we
say
well,
why
didn't
we
bury
the
overhead
lines?
H
E
G
E
H
The
The,
Challenge
and
yeah
that's
a
different
conversation,
but
it's
is
when
you
bury
them
is,
is
when
they're
doing
a
new
building?
Let's
say
they
can
design
the
service
to
be
underground.
If
I
were
to
bury
these,
the
overhead
Services
still
would
be
on
top
of
the
building,
and
then
we
just
we
put
a
pole
right
next
to
them,
and
so
so
that
that's
probably
some
of
the
reason
why
they're
done
with
the
like
actual
development,
so.
C
H
F
F
C
H
E
H
You'll
see
we
continue
on
again
I
think
this
is
a
historical
investment
in
infrastructure,
to
say
the
least.
You
can
see,
there's
not
too
many
quarters
we're
not
doing
a
lot
of
work
on
and
here's
Indianola
Avenue
again.
A
lot
of
development
has
occurred
around
this
Corridor.
It
was
a
a
rural,
two-lane
roadway,
and
so
this
project
excuse
me
urbanizes
that
roadway
putting
curbs
and
gutters
new
storm
sewer
systems.
Also,
when
we
talk
about
scope,
you
know
we
get
in
there.
H
E
A
year
yeah
we
lost,
we
lost,
we've
had
the
road
closed
for
an
extra
year
because
of
Mid-America
and
and
utility
work.
So
you
know
these
these
neighbors
thinking
it
was
going
to
be
done
this
year.
Now
we're
extended
it
for
another
year.
So
is
any
part
of
this
Road
open,
I
mean
I,
know
it's
not
opened
down
by
East
14th
I'd.
Seen
that
was
closed.
Where
Pine
is
in
that
area,
are
we
allowing
any
type
of.
H
The
traffic
other
than
using
the
the
we
had
a
temporary
road
to
get
to
the
properties
along
there.
The
hope
is
the
plan
is
to
have
Indianola
from
East
Army
Post
down
to
Pine
open
by
the
end
of
June,
and
hopefully
it's
sooner
but
okay.
So
that
way,
once
you
get
that
stretch
open,
then
at
least
those
folks
aren't
detouring
that
they
have
the
biggest
detour
is,
is
the
ones
on
the
east
of
on
off
of
Pine
East
of
Indiana?
H
Another
full
reconstruction
project
on
McKinley
Avenue
again
has
started
up
this
spring.
Lots
of
utility
work
been
going
on,
Mid
am,
has
already
moved
the
polls
and
and
and
been
moving
lines
doing
utility
locations
moving
gas
Mains
so
that
the
water
main
work,
Des
Moines
warwicks
can
have
the
water
main
replaced
that
just
started,
and
so
again
this
is
a
you
know.
The
the
schedule
is
looking
at,
you
know
started
this
spring,
be
fully
complete
by
Spring
of
2025.
Hopefully
the
roadway
work
is
done
by
end
of
24..
H
H
This
is
part
of
the
overall
sewer
separation
efforts.
This
Project's
led
by
our
our
colleagues
at
the
Wastewater
Reclamation
Authority.
So
obviously
everyone's
aware,
Martin
Luther
King
Jr
Parkway
there,
the
sewers
going
down
the
north
Lanes
of
the
pavement
there
are
it
got
there
are
they
do
have
archaeologists
on
site
to
monitor
the
excavations
as
it's
going
through.
H
You
know
an
area
where
there's
known
cultural
potential
for
cultural
artifacts,
so
there
are
archaeologists
on
site
as
they
as
they
work
and
so
you'll
see
that
they
have
the
whole
stretch
of
Martin,
Luther,
King,
Jr,
Parkway,
open
between,
say
you
know,
or
under
construction
all
the
way
down
to
16th,
where
it
goes
north
they're
trying
to
get
as
much
tourism
as
they
can
in
coordination
with
the
work
the
archaeologists
are
doing,
but
there's
the
overall
schedule.
So
the
section
in
green
since
we've
got
a
massive
sewer.
H
It's
like
66
inch
diameter
over
five.
You
know
five
and
a
half
feet
that
goes
right
through
this
area
on
the
Western
Edge
downtown
we've
got
these
kind
of
a
unique,
unique
intersections.
I
would
say,
with
the
fluid
Drive
bridge
and
Grand
Avenue
and
Locust
and
18th
Street,
and
so
with
the
large
sewer
going
through
there.
We
took
a
look
at
it
and
can
do
some
reconfiguration
and
so
and
so
that
now
you
know
again
before
Martin
Luther
King
Jr
Parkway
was
there.
H
It
also
allows
us
to
get
a
pedestrian
bicycle
facility
through
there
again
also
very
nice,
to
have
right
next
to
a
school.
You
know
with
adding
that
green
space
and
as
well
so-
and
this
also
did
allow
us
to
do-
to
convert
some
of
the
streets
down
to
15th
Street
to
so.
That's
the.
If
you
look
at
the
schedule,
I
had
just
up
that's
in
the
2020
they'll,
probably
let
it
maybe
later
this
year,
so
they
probably
see
most
of
the
work
2024
20
25
times.
H
I
G
G
G
H
B
H
H
H
But
then
the
WRA
is
doing
that
sewer
to
get
up
to
that
red
dot
on
high
to
to
eliminate
that
overflow,
and
so
we
are
seeing
the
finish
line
of
this
effort,
lower
lower
Oak
and
Highland
Park,
and
that
the
efforts
in
that
neighborhood
have
been
completed.
This
is
just
a
a
picture
of
Tiffin
Street,
which
is
a
pervious
and
we've
also
been
doing
some
improvements
to
also
reduce
storm
water
flow.
So
this
is
a
pervious
paver,
Street
water
actually
goes
through.
The
pavement
did.
H
I'll
show
the
last
couple
phases
here
that
we
have
from
a
neighborhood
standpoint
and
I
do
want
to
be
clear
there.
There
will
still
be
combined
sewers
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines.
There
are
some
that
just
aren't
feasible
the
downtown
ones,
but
this
will
include
all
the
work
in
the
neighborhoods
so
near
west
side,
sewer
separation
that
one
that
one
is
is,
is
completed
and,
and
so
the
near
West
I'm,
sorry
to
just
give
oh
should
I
lose
my.
H
Near
West
this
and
then
we
get
to
Western
Air,
so
yep
yep
yep.
So
when
we
say
near
West
this
is
you
can
see
the
Woodland
Cemetery
on
the
right
there
and
and
then
so
we
go.
The
one
that
still
is
remaining
is
is
a
couple
things
Riverbank
King
Irving.
That
neighborhood
is
that
one
is
complete,
except
for
the
peace
in
yellow.
That
was,
that
is
to
be
done
with
Second
Avenue
reconstruction.
H
H
H
So
this
is
the
one
that's
remaining:
it's
called
Western
inner
salt
sewer
separation.
You
can
see
there
they're
trenching
along
Ingersoll,
Avenue,
and
so
this
one,
the
first
phase,
which
is
shown
in
yellow,
is,
is
substantially
complete
as
well
as
phase
two.
So
the
yellow
and
green
substantial,
complete
phase
three
in
blue
is
the
one
that
still
has
work
to
be
done,
but
we're
hoping
to
get
that
work
done.
H
H
H
Did
two
existing
assures
that
we
put
in
yep
yeah
we've
been
building
this
yep
so
so
before
we
did
the
sewer
separation
effort.
If
we
look
at
kind
of
the
West's
piece
of
this
yellow,
like
so
out
to
42nd
Street
and
the
storm
water
makes
its
way
west
to
east.
If
we
got
a
major
rain
event,
then
that
combines
through
overflow
at
high
wood
would
be
opened
and
released,
and
so
so
it's
all
west
to
east
to
the
river.
H
But
now
we're
putting
in
a
large
storm
sewer,
a
large
sewer
up
too
high
or
the
WRA
is
putting
the
large
to
run
up
to
high
and
then
we're
building
new
storm
stores
in
our
neighborhood.
So
it
used
to
be
the
intakes
the
storm
intakes
on
the
road
we're
going
into
the
same
into
the
sanitary
sewer
so
but
it
drains
into
the
river
yeah
the
Overflow.
What
the
Overflow
before
we
did.
This
effort,
yes,
would
go.
H
B
H
H
H
H
So
so
speaking
of
flooding,
this
is
the
Highland
Park
neighborhood
FEMA
had,
as
you
know,
went
through
a
remapping
effort
with
their
flood
insurance
rate
Maps.
This
area
had
has
experienced
flooding
in
the
past,
and
such
FEMA
had
has
mapped
a
book,
a
good
portion
of
this
area
as
a
special
flood
Hazard
area
which
affects
175
properties,
which
means
that
they
have
a
if
they
have
a
mortgage
and
typical
mortgages.
H
Underneath
the
parking
lot
to
installing
some
actual
stormwater
detention
basins
in
this
area,
there's
the
parking
lot
that
was
done,
I
finished
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
or
so.
So
all
you
can
see
all
the
chambers
underneath
those
parking
lots
and
it
also
allowed
us
to
kind
of
clean
up
that
whole
little
area
with
putting
in
sidewalks
and
as
well
and
then
we've
been
working
from
the
drainage
in
this
area
goes
to
the
Northwest
Hamilton
drain.
H
It
used
to
be
a
drainage,
district
and
I
guess
just
the
name
just
stuck
there's
not
there's
not
a
brand
new
District
anymore,
but
it
still
calls
that,
and
so,
as
as
councilmember
westgard
knows,
you
know
that
the
folks
were
surprised.
The
drainage
for
the
area
was
predominantly
conveyed
by
what
is
known
as
the
rocky
play.
Storm
sewer,
a
wood
box
sewer
that
runs
essentially
from
the
northwest
corner
of
this
picture
up
at
Aurora
and
second,
all
the
way
diagonally
through
the
the
neighborhood
and
under
a
number
of
people's
houses.
H
H
Yeah
so
so
I.
This
was
a
situation
probably
where,
where
a
sewer
was
put
in
in
the
1930s
and
then
the
houses
came
later
and
the
sewer,
probably
just
in
line
with
where
the
flow
path
goes
and
then
the
houses
came
later
in
the
50s
and
and
so
yes,
some
people,
unfortunately,
were
surprised
to
find
this
out.
So
we
are
eliminating
that
and
putting
in
new
storms
a
new
massive
sewer.
H
G
Oh
and
Steve,
as
long
as
you're
talking
about
retention
basins,
I
heard
some
really
great.
Compliments
about
you
and
your
staff,
working
with
CIS
on
some
pilot
projects
to
put
some
floating
Gardens
and
some
other
retention
basins
and
and
I
mean
you
are
taking
compliments
this
morning
too.
Aren't
you
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
That's
all
right,
but
that's
really
creative
and
I
applaud
you
for
for
working
on
that
I.
H
G
H
So
so
this
is
what's
known
as
the
closest
Creek
Watershed.
So
basically
the
storm
water
flows
from
the
upper
left
on
the
screen,
Northwest,
so
by
where
the
14,
13
and
1br
kind
of
comes
down,
South
easterly
toward
the
1A
and
2A
and
then
then
turns
back
Northeast
toward
the
nine
toward
the
Des
Moines
River.
So
that's
that's
where
the
water
wants
to
go.
H
So
if
we
would
were
to
have
looked
at
historical,
Maps
100
100
years
ago,
that's
where
you
would
see
the
water
generally
go,
and
so
of
course,
unfortunately,
when
the
the
event
happened,
that
event
happened
in
June
of
2018.
That's
when
the
system
gets
overwhelmed,
that's
where
the
water
wants
to
go,
and
so
there's
been.
There
was
a
plan
to
install
new
storm
sewers,
larger
conveyance.
We
revised
that
plan
to
incorporate
stormwater
detention
into
that,
so
2A
and
2B
and
1B
shown
on
that
map
kind
of
throughout
there.
H
Those
are
actually
stormwater
basins
that
we've
we've
added
in
and
so
to
kind
of,
build
in
again,
not
just
focusing
on
conveyance
but
also
store
water
to
allow
the
system
to
flush
out-
and
you
know
so-
the
peak
flows
aren't
all
hitting
at
once,
so
obviously
very
happy
with
the
progress
of
this.
We
had
a
full
packed
building
of
folks,
who
remember
very
clearly
that
we
said
our
goal
was
to
try
and
get
from
the
1A
2A
area
up
to
1B
by
the
end
of
this
year,
and
so
we
are.
H
We
are
on
target
to
do
that,
so
so
1A,
2A,
2B
and
1B
are
all
complete.
Three
is
the
one
that's
under
construction
and
again
this
is
again
the
chambers
underneath
one
of
the
roadways
in
this
area
here
is
also
improving
capacity
under
Beaver
Avenue.
And
then,
when
we
talk
about
stormwater
detention
here
between
beaver
and
34th
by
Whitmer
Park,
the
flows
used
to
go
through
an
old
wood
box.
There
we
have
more
of
those
old
wood
boxes
again,
so
we
opened
up
the
box
and
are
utilizing
the
Ravine
for
stormwater
detention.
H
C
I
give
you
another
compliment:
Gloria
Hoffman,
who
is
was
integral
in
the
storm
water
accolades
on
how
it's
working
she's
very
happy
with
it
and
very
excited
that
it
did
get
completed,
even
though
you
know
totally
impacted
her
both
ways
from
the
flooding
and
how
they've
rebuilt.
But
she
was
full
of
compliments.
Good.
B
H
H
And
there's
a
picture,
you
can
see
the
size
of
the
storm
sewer
pipes
that
were
installing
down
Franklin
Avenue
there
so
again,
conveyance
and
attention
and
I'll
go
quick
through
the
levy
program,
because
I
think
we
are
looking
at.
It's
got
to
believe
a
levy
work
session
coming
up
in
the
summer
and
the
in
the
future.
Here
once
the
we
have
some
updates
from
the
core.
H
And
then
B
and
C
are
the
ones
that
are
under
construction.
B
is,
is
probably
three
quarters
to
eighty
percent
of
the
way
done.
C
is
just
started,
so
it's
about,
if
you
want
to
say,
15
complete
there,
and
so
that's
at
the
work
of
the
Confluence
C
was
the
one
that's
been
coordinated
with
the
water
Trails.
We
then
would
move
to
d
and
work
our
way.
Downstream
foreign
interior
drainage
work
to
help
with
the
neighborhoods
as
well.
So
you
can
see
some
pump
stations
that
have
been
installed.
H
Cohen
Park
is
another
example
where
we've
added
in
at
storm
water
detention
Basin.
We
figured
out
that
one
when
we
got
into
this,
that
the
water
was
having
trouble
getting
to
the
pump
station
and
flooding
out
the
neighborhood.
There
there's
a
new
development
by
Habitat
for
Humanity
right
off,
11th
and
Murray,
and
it
was
flooding
off
that
area,
and
so
we
we
put
in
a
storm
on
our
detention
Mason
to
relieve
the
pressure
and
store
water
Upstream.
To
that
that's
been
completed,
here's
the
Levee
construction
to
kind
of
give
you
a
perspective.
H
This
was
a
more
recent
project
along
this
is
by
principal
Park,
and
so
that
when
you
walked
when
you're
walking
to
principal
Park,
you
can
see
there's
a
that
is
the
Levee
that
kind
of
goes
along
the
parking
lot
there.
We
installed
these
flood
walls
that
shorten
the
closing
that
they're
called
closures
where
we
actually
close
up
the
flood
protection
system
when
the
water
gets
to
a
certain
stage.
H
We've
been
keeping
track
of
that
that
progress
and
since
July
of
2019
we've
installed
nine
over
95
000
feet
or
18
miles
in
four
years
and
and
then
our
city
has
put
in
a
significant
amount
of
American
Rescue
plan
act,
funds
into
sidewalks,
and
so
so
you
can
see
there's
a
very
large
program
coming
over
the
next
couple
years
over
nine
miles
to
get
us
to
27
miles
in
about
five
years.
So
that's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
sidewalks
facilities.
E
F
H
H
G
H
G
H
H
C
H
So
so
one
the
typical
standards
are
are
five
in
terms
of
like
one,
a
comfortable
walking
distance
and
then
two
the
Americans
with
Disabilities
Act,
would
say
that
if
you
were
to
put
a
a
four
foot,
sidewalk
in
you
would
need
to
have
a
passing
zone,
every
150
200
feet,
and
so
it's
kind
of
one
of
those
like
do.
You
have
like
pieces
where
it
widens
out
and
then
comes
back
in,
or
do
we
just
put
it
all
in
at
at
five,
which
is
what
we
would
just
you
know.
C
H
C
H
Yeah,
the
five
the
five
is
is
is
pretty
much
kind
of
a
match.
At
least
everywhere.
I've
worked
in
the
midwest
is
kind
of
the
norm
for
what
you
would
install,
because
a
four
is
tough
for
is
a
little
tight
for
two
people
to
walk
on
and
the
number
two,
if
you
just
if
you
all,
if
you,
if
we
made
it
to
say
we're
only
gonna
put
in
a
four
foot
sidewalk,
we
would
be
required
to
put
in
passing
zones
every
150
200
feet
so
anyway.
So
yeah.
H
And
I'll
send
this
map
out,
but
this
is
just
kind
of
the
numbers
of
of
the
different
phases
and
and
also
includes
kind
of
the
future
phases,
but
all
all
email,
this
map
to
you
all
at
this
meeting.
So
you
can
see
it
better
as
a
PDF
of
it
that
you
can
zoom
in
and
see
the
progress
we've
been
changing,
all
the
pink
to
what's
complete
and
the
pink
shows
there
is
where
they've
been
completed
and
and
then
the
other
colors
are
what's
coming.
F
F
H
H
The
map
folks
have
probably
seen
these
signs
all
over
our
city,
and
so
in
44
months,
we've
completed
four
five
Lane
miles
of
of
work,
and
you
know
again,
30
of
those
are
in
kind
of
local
local
streets
and
15
or
more
on
major
corridors,
and
so
there's
also
a
number
of
projects
that
you
all
have
approved
and
authorized
that
are
under
construction.
Now,
like
the
2023
HMA
Paving
program,
Southeast
6th,
Street,
East,
Court
Avenue,
which
are
being
funded
to
with
local
option
Sales
and
Service
taxes.
Well,.
H
I
mentioned
earlier,
you
know
a
historical
investment
in
infrastructure
right,
so
this
graph
gives
you
a
comparison.
You
know
I
when
I
started
here
in
2015,
I
I
recall
as
you
all
did.
You
know
the
the
folks
of
our
my
fellow
residents,
our
fellow
residents
asking
to
fix
streets
and
fix
sewers,
and
so
I
think
this
craft,
in
my
opinion,
definitely
shows
that
response
to
say
the
least,
and
so
like
I
said
I
do
want
to
add
up.
H
Let
me
add
up
the
amount
of
sewer
work,
we've
done
in
the
past
six
years,
it's
unbelievable
to
Miles
and
Miles,
and
and
as
well
as
a
substantial
investment
in
the
streets
and
and
and
so
there's
the
numbers
you
can
see.
There
are
a
hundred
and
averaging
over
100
million
dollars
of
capital
improvement,
work
that
the
city
has
done
and
taken
on
over
the
past
five
years.
So
so
this
chart
kind
of
gives
you
that
information.
A
A
D
Right
mayor
council
members
thanks
again
Steve
for
the
presentation,
we'll
be
bringing
him
back
and
other
staff
as
we
dive
deeper
into
each
of
the
categories
of
within
our
CIP.
But
we
thought
in
working
backwards
from
our
next
budget
cycle,
which
is
still
six
months
away.
We
would
we
would
break
up
the
conversation
into
digestible
pieces
and
start
with
the
some
of
the
financial
resources.
That's
why
we've
got
Nick
coming
up
first
and
then
also
additional
analysis
by
staff.
D
So
with
that
I
asked
Finance
to
give
us
the
starting
point
and
obviously
give
us
some
time
today
to
to
go
through
your
questions
at
this
point
again,
the
intent
is
not
to
make
any
final
decisions
in
the
sense
of
where
the
Investments
are
occurring,
but
to
be
knowledgeable
at
the
end
of
the
conversation
about
what
it
would
take
to
maintain
Nick.
Thank
you.
J
J
B
J
Has
nothing
to
do
with
the
assessed
value?
It
is
the
100
value
of
the
of
the
homes
and
Commercial
properties
that
we
have
in
the
city.
The
council
has
a
policy
to
only
utilize,
80
percent
of
that
and
I'll
kind
of
go
through
from
our
last
completed
audit.
Where
we're
sitting,
we
are
currently
sitting
with
the
fiscal
year.
22
audit,
the
total
assessed
value
was
just
under
16
billion
for
valuation
within
the
city.
As
you
look
at
that
five
percent
that
comes
up
to
just
under
800
million.
J
From
that
you
take
away
the
general
obligation
bonds
that
we
have
outstanding.
The
only
caveat
to
that
is
the
2017
C,
which
is
an
annually
appropriated
debt.
So
only
the
next
portion
of
that
is
considered
a
part
of
that
limit,
and
then
we
also
have
other
legal
indebtedness,
which
is
our
Tiff
Tiff
rebates,
as
well
as
leases
that
we
have
those
since
they're
annually,
appropriated
as
well
on
those
Tiff
rebates.
Those
are
only
a
year
year
reflected
of
what
was
actually
budgeted
as
of
that
time.
J
J
J
So
this
is
not
anything
new,
but
they
are
looking
at
us
every
year
as
we
do
our
issuance
and
bring
it
up
to
our
attention
that
are
carrying
charges
are
approaching
very
high
levels
and
if
there's
a
differ,
if
there
is
a
debt,
there's
material
weakening
that
could
lower
our
credit
rating
and
one
thing
to
really
kind
of
talk
about.
If
we
do
get
a
lower
credit
rating,
basically
costs
us
more
in
interest
and
then,
if
it
costs
us
more
in
interest,
we
will.
J
J
Going
into
the
history
of
the
bond
issuance
I
have
this
broken
out
in
two
different
sides.
The
left
side
has
the
new
issuances
and
the
right
side
is
the
refunding.
So,
basically,
as
opportunities
present
themselves,
we
try
to
refund
and
save
interest
interest
costs,
as
we
can
with
the
current
interest
structures
that
we
have
today.
J
That
in
the
current
environment,
but
as
you
look
through
the
2013
through
22-
and
these
are
based
off
calendar
years,
not
necessarily
fiscal
years
when
you
look
at
series
of
bonds.
So
when
we're
looking
at
these
10
years
of
issuance,
you
can
see
that
2013-14
that
14
is
kind
of
where
it
was
normally.
J
And
as
you
look
at
that
over
those
courses
of
time,
the
ones
that
have
Tiff
directly
after
it
is,
it
was
solely
dumb
by
Tiff,
some
of
the
other
ones
like,
for
example,
the
22A
has
Tiff
issuances
within
that
it's
just
we.
We
structure
it
a
little
bit
differently,
some
of
those
years
where
we
kind
of
put
both
Tiff
and
debt
Levy
together.
But,
as
you
can
see
in
any
of
those
years
where
you've
got
20
2013,
you
had
37
and
then
you
went
25
40
42.
it
bounced
around
in
that
20
to
40.
J
J
If
you
look
at
our
current
capital
Improvement
plan.
This
is
what
we
have
anticipated
going
out
for
the
next.
So
this
next
issuance
that
we
are
looking
at
coming
in
this
fall
would
be
about
that
77
million
Mark.
Then
it
starts
ratcheting
down
to
62
and
then
about
40.
in
those
those
later
years.
What
we've?
What
we've
modeled
in
our
debt
service
model?
As
we
look
at
where
we
anticipate
going
forward,
we
have
budgeted
that
35
million
range
going
out
in
fiscal
year,
2028
and
Beyond
in
our
current
models.
J
So
as
we're
working
through
this
and
as
Scott
alluded
to,
we
are
kind
of
going
to
be
looking
at
it
as
looking
at
it
from
a
backwards
end
of
seeing
what
we
can
fund
through
geodet
and
then
what
are
our
other
options
to
kind
of
go
forward
as
we
kind
of
look
at
this?
So
what
is
excluded
on
these
go
bonds
is
the
1200
locusts,
if
that
for
that
possible
purchase,
that
debt
is
something
different
than
the
Geo
bonds.
That's
a
general
fund
note
as
what
we're
looking
at
right
now
within
our
due
diligence.
E
D
J
D
J
E
J
J
To
also
kind
of
let
you
look
at
our
large
current
capital,
Improvement
plan
and
the
and
our
Levy
as
what
it
is,
how
it
has
been
backed.
You'll
see
that
this,
the
blue
area
is
the
area
that
we
currently
have
for
our
debt
service
Levy
and
where
we
anticipate
within
the
current
capital
Improvement
plan.
The
gray
area
is
what
shows
our
local
option
dependence
on
keeping
that
rate
down.
I
D
I
I
D
I
D
The
charts
that
Steve
showed
as
well
is
what
Nick
is
showing
us
now
we
need
to
transition
into
what
is
our
maintaining
level
of
capital
investment
that's
necessary,
and
how
do
we
pay
for
that,
and
do
we
even
have
enough?
Is
the
question
not
to
steal
the
the
comments
that
are
yet
to
come
in
the
presentation,
but
essentially
we
have
to
shift
our
mindset
to.
D
J
I
And
I
think
about
all
the
plants.
I
mean
we
keep
touting
these
plans.
We've
got
now:
we've
got
adapt.
Dsm
we've
got
move
DSM.
We've
got
all
of
these
plans
that
that
lay
out
all
these
things
that
we're
going
to
do
like
sidewalks
streets-
and
you
know
all
these
things
that
we've
given
to
our
residents
and
said
here.
Here's
our
plan,
but
I'm
not
sure
we
can
realistically
complete.
J
Yeah,
so
what
so?
What
we're
going
to
do
from
this
particular
conversation
is
kind
of
say
if,
if
all
we
did
and
I'll
kind
of
get
into
kind
of
some
of
these
slides
a
little
bit
more
detail,
but
what
we
have
for
existing
assets
today,
what
will
it
cost
us
to
replace
them
on
a
regular
basis,
so
I'll
kind
of
go
into
that
as
we.
D
In
the
background
for
years
now,
We've
recognized
the
potential
for
the
instability
of
sales
tax
just
from
the
economy
standpoint.
So
take
the
legislative
aspect
out
of
it.
We
know
that
it's
a
more
volatile,
Revenue
stream
and
because
of
that,
what
we've
been
doing
and
you'll
see
it
in
the
annual
report
to
the
public
that
we
put
out
every
year
for
the
sales
tax
is,
we
do
have
cash
within
the
sales
tax.
D
Ideally,
we
would
be
using
Less
sales
tax
to
pay
Down
The
Debt
Service
and
having
it
available
to
pay
for
projects
with
cash
as
opposed
to
issuing
debt
and
then
having
to
use
this,
because
this
also
involves
interest-
that's
accruing
each
year
right,
and
so
you
could
take
that
out
of
the
equation
if
you
had
cash
saved
up
and
that
cash
would
then
be
a
buffer
for
any
legislative
or
economic
hits
that
might
come
along,
and
so
we
are
at
that
point
where
we
can't
to.
We
are
not
adding
to
that
cash
balance
anymore.
D
D
Would
not
anticipate
that
for
15
to
20
years
for
certain
yes,
and
even
when
we
do
return
to
that
point,
the
refinancing
is
in
the
way
they
work.
Today
you
have
to
wait
until
those
that
eight
year
call
gets
here
and
so
there's
some
extra
challenges.
So
you
you,
you
fully
should
not
be
expecting
savings
and
Debt
Service
over
the
next,
at
least
eight
to
ten
years
for
certain
it's.
D
There's
a
few
there's
a
few
items:
no
there's
there's
a
few
items.
Our
CARE
program
is
funded
through
that
as
well
and
there,
but
it's
a
very
small
percentage,
and
that
is
actually
the
next
conversation
we're
going
to
bring
forward
again,
reminding
you
that
this
is
just
an
amount
to
digest
today
and
we'll
bring
back
a
more
robust
sales
tax.
J
D
And
other
other
funding
sources
that
are
available
to
us
in
the
next
conversation
and
operations
as
well
with
programming.
The
other
theme,
though
I
wanted
to
make
sure
we
understood,
is
because
there's
an
incredible
amount
of
value
generally
with
planning.
Well,
I'll
put
it
that
way.
We
do
a
lot
of
plans,
one
of
the
very
first
benefits
of
doing
these.
Any
of
these
plans
is
to
understand
what
choices
we
have
with
new
programming
new
projects
versus
going
in
to
existing
assets
and
making
a
purposeful
change.
I'll
give
you
an
example.
D
The
vision
zero
is
is
a
good
example
of
that,
where,
by
going
through
that
exercise,
we
understand
how
we
should
be
adding
Assets
in
a
smarter
way
from
a
safety
standpoint,
but
then
there's
another
benefit
to
doing
that
type
of
planning
that
says
now.
If
you
decide
to
put
additional
resources
to
going
into
assets
that
don't
need
to
be
replaced
based
on
condition
or
they're
a
useful
life,
you
could
make
additional
improvements,
but
that's
an
enhancement.
D
That's
another
categ,
a
different
category
of
you're,
adding
something
to
the
inventory
you
don't
have
today
and
so
every
plan,
whether
that's
adapt
that
you'll
hear
about
options.
There's
there's
always
that
first
value
of
every
one
of
those
plans
of
as
we
add
assets.
This
is
the
smart
way
to
do
that.
E
D
D
The
policy
can
always
adjust
on
what
we
can
afford,
and
so
it
is
an
exercise
and
we
need
to
become
more
sophisticated
at
each
year
and
understanding
that
if,
if
there
is
a
desire
to
do
an
enhancement
to
a
project
again,
every
category
of
capital
is
subject
to
this:
a
Park
equipment.
If
we
need
to
replace
the
Park
equipment,
do
we
have
other
categories
of
capital
Investments
that
we
want
to
engage
in
adding
an
extra
Trail,
adding
a
spray
part,
a
spray
ground
or
something
of
that
nature?
C
C
D
J
So
as
I'm
getting
into
the
next
slides,
I
want
to
kind
of
point
out
great
work
that
my
finance
department
did
with
the
correlation
of
all
the
other
departments,
because
what
we
ended
up
doing
is
we
took
our
existing
assets
and
looked
at
kind
of
a
future
year
to
try
and
disconnect
what
current
projects
are
going
on
and
try
and
look
at
what
is
it
if
we
wanted
to
maintain
our
assets?
Today,
we
looked
at
a
time
frame
of
20
30
20
through
2040.
J
J
This
is
a
oversimplified
table
and
we
can
get
into
further
details
later,
but
we
were
in
intending
to
do
it
kind
of
more
of
a
high
level
for
for
you
guys
to
kind
of
realize
the
situation
that
we're
that
we're
looking
at.
So
as
we
look
at
streets,
Bridges
facilities
or
municipal
buildings,
all
the
different
different
components
that
we
have
the
capital
costs
are
the
costs
that
we
anticipate
as
on
average
in
a
one
year.
J
J
You
know,
federal
grants,
gaming,
money,
local
option
that
we
currently
have
towards
like
our
streets,
that
we
have
seven
million
a
year
going
into
that
Tiff
rep
Tiff
revenue,
bonds,
Road
use
tax
gemt
funds
is
a
another
facility
for
the
the
fire
stations,
as
well
as
some
of
the
ambulances
in
the
apparatus.
So
when
we
come
into
those
other
fundings
that
we
have
anticipated,
that
takes
away
about
24
million,
which
then
leaves
56
million
that
would
be
needed
to
be
covered
by
geo
geo
bonds.
J
As
I
had
just
talked
about
in
our
prior
slides,
we
have
been
showing
or
planning
only
35.,
so
when
I
go
into
a
little
bit
more
details
with
that,
our
annualized
estimated
cost
of
almost
80
million
are
other
sources
of
24.
That
shows
a
21
million
dollar
deficit
annualized
and
that
does
not
take
into
in
into
consideration
any
funding
for
new
or
expanded
projects.
That
is
just
maintaining
what
we
currently
have
so
for
parks.
J
For
example,
if
we
have
budgeted
for
an
equipment
replacement,
it
would
be
just
to
replace
that
piece
of
equipment
and
nice
is
based
off
of
the
concept
of
the
streets,
should
be
kept
at
that
at
the
level
at
which
that
we
were
trying
to
do
the
index
that
we
have
of
60
as
well
as
Park
different
Park
facilities
being
replaced
after
the
recommended
useful
life
of
15
20
or
depending
on
what
that
is.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
information
that
analysts
work
with
the
Departments
to
come
up
with.
What
is
that?
J
J
E
D
E
B
E
E
A
D
D
Historically,
we
had
not
kept
up
with
what
it
was
taking
annually
that
analysis
hadn't
even
been
done
a
decade
ago,
and
so
it
was
a
matter
of
just
do
what
we
can
afford
in
early
in
the
90s
and
in
early
2000s,
and
so
we
knew
we
were
getting
further
and
further
behind.
But
nobody
ever
did
the
analysis
to
see
just
how
far
behind
we
were
getting,
and
so
now
we're.
D
Okay,
I
would
ask
councilor
to
be
careful,
we're
talking
about
an
80
million
dollar
annual
investment
as
our
Target,
so
we're
doing
a
lot
and
we're
doing
a
lot
more
than
anything,
we've
done
historically.
So
this
this
is
a
situation
where
we
knew
and
I
we've
talked
about
this
for
years.
We
could
not
maintain
the
amount
of
high
level
CIP
forever.
D
C
So
basically
we
were
so
far
behind
is
the
reason
that
we
had
to
pump
so
much
in
because
we
never
had
a
plan
that
really
could
stabilize
through.
So
this
is
an
effort
to
stabilize
maintain
what
we
currently
have,
and
so
they
have
it
going
behind
and
then
determine.
What
we
can
add
on
is
that
what
we're
at
yeah.
J
I
think
the
I
think
the
biggest
thing
to
kind
of
take
is
the
what
was
presented
on
the
pavement
condition
index.
The
pcei
that
that
was
presented
in
in
the
past
was
done
for
streets
and
how
much
investment
we
should
be
doing
over
the
course
of
time
to
be
able
to
maintain
their
streets
at
that
level.
J
That's
what
we
did
at
current
date
is
is
14
million,
as
we
look
at
that
we
we
did
that
for
the
streets,
and
so
in
discussions
with
Scott
before
we
get
to
a
2030
type
of
time
frame
needing
to
plan
out
better.
We
wanted
to
look
at
that
for
all
assets,
and
that's
this
is
what
we've
looked
at
to
do
that
now.
If
we
look
at
what
we
are
currently
investing
in
these
in
these
different
project
areas
that
I
had
on
that
table,
it
is
drastically
different
than
what
we
have
today.
F
Could
you
could
you
go
back
to
that
slide?
That
has
the
80
million
by
no
yeah,
so
is
what
you're
saying
this
is
what
it
would
cost
to
maintain
at
existing
levels,
but
we're
not
doing
this
today
on
the
other,
or
this
is
what
we
are
doing.
This
represents
sort
of
status
quo.
What
we're
doing
today,
if.
J
D
F
J
I
Back
to
our
discussion
earlier,
where
we
talked
about
bridges
and
we
talked
about,
we
could
do
a
complete
replacement
of
the
Walnut
Street
bridge
for
16
million
dollars.
That's
going
to
last
for
how
many
ever
years,
or
do
we
spend
15
million
dollars
and
just
do
a
pedestrian
or
just
make
some
repairs
for
five
million.
Are
those
the
kind
of
choices
I
mean
it
in
my
in
my
simple
brain,
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
thinking
we
have
to
make
the
choices
we
want
to
spend
to
replace.
Do
we
want
to
just
maintain.
I
D
And
that's:
where
do
you
get
that
money
is
the
last
piece
of
this,
because
each
project
has
you
know
different
funding
sources.
We're
focused
pretty
heavily
today
on
the
Geo
needs.
That's
the
Geo
debt,
but
the
Walnut
Street
bridge
is
an
example
of
where
we're
able
to
use
Tiff
funds,
the
downtown
Tiff,
and
so
with
each
one
of
these
projects.
In
each
one
of
these
categories,
you
have
different
funding
sources
that
may
be
available.
That's.
J
D
I
J
I
would
say
in
in
this
scenario,
when
you're
talking
about
like
streets
in
that
14
million
of
streets,
that
only
assumes
a
little
over
half
a
million
in
federal
grants.
So
we
did
do
on
a
bit
on
the
conservative
side
as
well
on
on
our
assumptions.
But
it's
me
it's
a
maintaining
our
existing
assets
versus
expansion
or
new,
so
tend
to
be.
Those
grants
would
be
for
for
newer
features
that
you
don't
existingly
have.
D
Another
example
would
be
the
mpo
funds,
the
stbg
funds,
those
are
in
the
other
funding,
and
we
know
that
we
get
a
certain
percentage
essentially
of
those
funds
moving
forward
and
so
we'll
be
able
to
make
decisions
on.
Where
should
those
stbg
funds
go?
If
we
can
match
it
up
with
either
Tiff
or
Geo
bonds
to
get
projects
done
so.
E
Explain
me
about
assets,
then,
so
we're
not
able
to
create
any
new
assets,
no
Parks,
no
trails,
no
more
sidewalks,
no
I
mean
I.
Guess
I'm,
really
confused
that
you're
you're
saying
that
we're
maintaining
existing
assets,
we've
got.
We've
got
parks
that
we're
looking
at
expanding
and
growing
and
doing
work
in,
and
so
those
aren't.
Those
are
that's.
E
And
you're
going
to
come
back
to
us
and
tell
us
how
we're
going
to
look
at
them
differently-
I,
just
we
were
just
here
today,
so
you
can
lay
this
doomsday
and
then
you're
going
to
come
back
and
tell
us
how
we're
going
to
do
it.
Well,
as
we
did
I
thought
we
had
until
noon,
you
don't
have
it
prepared.
However,.
D
F
It
in
it
would
be
helpful
for
me
to
understand
what
sort
of
assumptions
go
into
the
those
various
buckets.
So,
for
example,
when
we
look
at
the
park
the
park
line
I
mean
we
have
traditionally
what
I
think
it's
we
We
have
replaced
playgrounds
like
every
30
years
and
that
that
that's
slow,
like
is,
is
this
assuming
that
we
replace
playgrounds
at
that
30-year
pace.
Of
course
today
this
is
assuming
we
replace
playgrounds
at
the
pace
that
we
would
like
to,
which
is
maybe
15
years
and
not
30
years.
F
C
F
This
reflects
replacing
them
more
frequently
than
we
do
today,
we're
still
providing
a
level
of
service
with
our
78
parks,
where
we've
got
I
and
we've
we've.
Actually,
thanks
to
Ben's
good
work
and
our
Parks
good
work,
I
mean
we.
We
fill
some
of
that
Gap
with
public-private
Partnerships.
We
we
do
work
where
we
get
a
lot
of
donations
so
that
we're
we're
doing
some
of
that
work.
F
F
For
example,
we've
got
older
facilities
that
older
fire
department
or
fire
stations
older
libraries
that
we're
talking
about
potentially
replacing
some
of
those
things,
and
it's
a
question
of
how
long
you
know
in
an
Ideal
World,
maybe
we'd,
replace
it
I,
don't
know
what
you
know
pick
a
useful
life
number
and
and
part
of
what
we're.
What
we're
talking
about
here
is
maybe,
instead
of
replacing
at
the
end
of
20
years,
we
replace
it
30
or
20
yeah.
C
B
C
J
C
Inflated
dollars
as
well
right,
so
not
that
anything's
going
down,
but
I
think
you
have
to
have
a
game
plan,
so
you
don't
get
into
the
condition
that
we
were
in
20
years
ago,
because
we
are
playing
catch-up
and
a
lot
of
the
money.
We're
inputting
when
you
look
at
our
roads
is
because
we
didn't
do
it.
E
I
would
like
to
see
that
graph
that
and
I
see
Jonathan
out
there,
where
we
started
with
the
streets
and
how
much
we
needed
to
invest
with
the
new
structure
of
tearing
them
all
out.
Instead
of
overly
and
I
knew
at
some
point,
which
I'm
hoping
that
that's
relatively
near
within
the
next
five
years
that
we
would
start
going
down
not
continue
to
go
up
in
the
spending.
E
D
D
J
E
J
Department
yeah,
but
we
would
have
the
numbers
by
Department.
I
have
I
have
those,
but
there's
a
it's
more
of
a
numbers
piece
that
I
don't
think
you
guys
will
want
to
look
at
that
detail
that
way
and
I.
Think
it's
better.
If
we
have
the
specific
Department
directors
come
and
speak
talk
to
each
th1
so
that
they
can
give
you
more
of
the
information
of
what
assumptions
were
put
in
for
expected,
useful
lives
and
and
different
things
like
that.